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The Late Debate | 28 July · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debase. Good evening and welcome to
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Speaker 1: the show.
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Speaker 2: I'm Taylor Bond with Joe Hildebrand and freyer Leech. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight. Kids going off the rails in
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Speaker 2: Queensland will be sent to boot camp to straighten them
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Speaker 2: out before they have the chance to turn into kitty criminals.
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Speaker 2: In the papers, details of how Cardinal George Pell uncovered
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Speaker 2: money laundering in the Vatican, just months before Victorian police
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Speaker 2: announced they were investigating him for alleged child sexual abuse.
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Speaker 2: And how do you feel about a dry wedding? Well,
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Speaker 2: apparently the number of couples having weddings without laying on
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Speaker 2: any booze is on the rise.
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Speaker 1: We'll discuss how boring people.
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Speaker 3: Have become God bless Satan.
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Speaker 2: But first, if you live in Robertson, in the Southern
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Speaker 2: Highlands in New South Wales, a great part of the world,
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Speaker 2: you won't be getting any booze either, it seems, nor
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Speaker 2: any lunch because Luke Mangan, of course, celebrity Chef which
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Speaker 2: trying to put on a long lunch in Robertson. Robertson
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Speaker 2: is the home of the big petent, so we're better
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Speaker 2: to host a long lunch to get the locals out
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Speaker 2: to celebrate the local produce, and had it all ready
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Speaker 2: to go.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be live music, fire pits. You know.
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Speaker 2: It sounded like a great party that they were going
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Speaker 2: to put on in the Southern Highlands and the council
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Speaker 2: stepped in said.
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Speaker 1: No, you can't do it.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, this is the Winja Caribbee Council says you can't
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Speaker 2: do it because you've got to put in a development
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Speaker 2: application if you want to have an event on private
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Speaker 2: land and it takes out. That turns out so that
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Speaker 2: at the moment, it takes about eight months to get
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Speaker 2: a development application through the council and they wanted.
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Speaker 1: To have this event in September. So sorry, mister Mangan,
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Speaker 1: you can't have your event. I mean, how done can
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Speaker 1: it get?
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Speaker 4: This is just absolutely and so we're basically talking about
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Speaker 4: a lunch that you have to book eight months in advance, yep.
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Speaker 3: And this is a.
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Speaker 4: Council that says, you know, no, there's no way you
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Speaker 4: could possibly just have this pop up event, this one off,
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Speaker 4: you know, big lunch an event. There's no way you
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Speaker 4: could possibly have it because it has to meet all
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Speaker 4: the strictest planning and DA approvals because of course you
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Speaker 4: can't possibly rush anything like this. This is the council
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Speaker 4: that approved a giant potato. They approved that giant like
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Speaker 4: potato thing that you just saw on your TV. Like that,
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Speaker 4: Oh that that's sympatico is it? That's environmental, that meant
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Speaker 4: all the sort of environmental and sustainable benchmarks that you
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Speaker 4: need like that. Okay, the council said that is fine forever,
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Speaker 4: but you can't have lunch next to it.
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Speaker 5: But a long lunch isn't like.
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Speaker 4: I'm not knocking the potato. Don't get me wrong, I'm
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Speaker 4: pro potato. I'm just saying absolutely it's when we run
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Speaker 4: out of potatoes that we get very angry. Things get
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Speaker 4: but that's when things get ugly. But but just just
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Speaker 4: it is.
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Speaker 5: It is absolutely absurd.
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Speaker 6: And I think for any counsel to demand a development
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Speaker 6: application for an event that's going to be conducted on
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Speaker 6: private property, firstly, I'm sorry, what's the definition of private
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Speaker 6: property if it's not to allow you to do basically
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Speaker 6: what you want. This event was supported by everyone, the
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Speaker 6: local businesses, the farmers, the community, and yet it was
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Speaker 6: the council that stepped into block it and it would
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Speaker 6: be bad enough any council demanding a development application for
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Speaker 6: such an objectively beneficial event to the community. But Winja
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Speaker 6: Caribbee Council happens to be the slowest council in New
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Speaker 6: South Wales at approving development applications two hundred and thirty
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Speaker 6: eight days to approve a DA eight months as you said, Caleb.
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Speaker 6: And this is also a council that is notorious for mismanagement.
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Speaker 6: Back in twenty twenty two was sacked and placed under administration,
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Speaker 6: and then earlier this year three hundred and fifty staff
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Speaker 6: members threatened to strike over a toxic culture of bullying.
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Speaker 5: And I think this is the problem.
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Speaker 6: You have counsel that are run by incompetent people, are
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Speaker 6: that bottleneck and stranglehold local communities and businesses, and no
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Speaker 6: one supports them, Like who is electing these people? I
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Speaker 6: seriously don'nate.
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Speaker 4: Residents of the Southern Highlands, Well, I imagine there's a
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Speaker 4: few sort of neighborhood disputes. Girl.
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Speaker 1: Well that's but this is.
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Speaker 2: The thing, right, if you want to bag something up,
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Speaker 2: give it to a government or a council and get
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Speaker 2: them to do the job. I mean, what you have
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Speaker 2: here is people with private money trying.
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Speaker 1: To do a good thing for the community. They want
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Speaker 1: to put on.
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Speaker 2: An event to celebrate the local produce. They want to
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Speaker 2: put on an event to promote the town of Robertson.
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure people in the Southern Highlands would have
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Speaker 2: gone to this.
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Speaker 1: People would have driven down.
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Speaker 2: The road from Sydney as well. I mean it's only
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Speaker 2: an hour and a half from the CBD to get
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Speaker 2: down to Barrel or the rest of the Southern Highlands,
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Speaker 2: so it's an easy thing to do. People would have
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Speaker 2: come along, perhaps checked out a part of the world
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Speaker 2: that they.
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Speaker 1: Haven't been to before.
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Speaker 2: And then you have a council, which is meant to
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Speaker 2: be for the local community stepping in and saying oh no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: we've got to wag the finger here. You can't do
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Speaker 2: things that would be good for the community. Councils and
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Speaker 2: government just have to get out of the way and
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Speaker 2: let people get on with their lives and do things.
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Speaker 2: We know how to run our fees much better than
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Speaker 2: you do. If you get out of the way, things
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Speaker 2: would be much better.
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Speaker 4: Do you remember when Margaret Thatcher had her famous first
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Speaker 4: big dinner with her new cabinet ministers.
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Speaker 3: And you know this was at ninety.
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Speaker 4: Seventy nine as a trailblazer. A lot of people thought
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Speaker 4: woman could never be prime minister. And she took the
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Speaker 4: cabinet ministers to dinner and the waiter came over and said,
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Speaker 4: Missus Thatcher, what would you like for dinner?
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Speaker 3: And she said, I'll have this, have the steak. Thanks.
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Speaker 4: She goes, what about for the vegetables and she said,
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Speaker 4: they'll have steak here. I think we should take a
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Speaker 4: leaf out of Missus Thatcher's book.
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Speaker 3: Put the potato in charge.
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Speaker 4: Put the potato in charge of the council the worst job,
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Speaker 4: and then maybe, you know, Luke Megan could have a
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Speaker 4: pop up lunch.
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Speaker 6: Next to the exactly or at least have the new
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Speaker 6: South Wales Minister for Tourism intervene directly in this matter
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Speaker 6: and make sure the lunch can go ahead because it
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Speaker 6: is ridiculous. But another thing that counsels us stuffing up
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Speaker 6: is the iconic beach and fitness culture of Bondai. If
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Speaker 6: you go around Bondai, you might notice the great outdoor gym.
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Speaker 6: It is always pumping, It is always busy and full
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Speaker 6: of people enjoying the sunshine working out by the beach
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Speaker 6: for free in an area that is notoriously expensive and
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Speaker 6: during a cost of living crisis. It's great to see
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Speaker 6: people exercising for free in public building community getting off screens.
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Speaker 6: But Waverley Council has an issue with this. They are
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Speaker 6: cracking down on the use of weights and dumbbells and
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Speaker 6: other equipment, citing public safety concerns that people might trip
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Speaker 6: overseet equipment. Okay, I can maybe understand that, but there
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Speaker 6: are also concerns that this gym is attracting too much
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Speaker 6: testosterone because it is full of fit men. Now I'm
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Speaker 6: not sure who would be complaining about the testosterone, because
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Speaker 6: I know a lot of people flocked to Bondai for
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Speaker 6: exactly that.
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Speaker 5: And to see men who do have some testosterone left
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Speaker 5: on like a lots of twenty first century I can
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Speaker 5: tell you that.
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Speaker 6: Well, exactly right, and so this is pausing a massive uproar.
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Speaker 5: But again councils coming in.
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Speaker 6: With excessive red tape, messing things up that no one
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Speaker 6: was really complaining about, apart from maybe a few angry nimbis.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, you have an outdoor gym and you can't have
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Speaker 2: the weights, which the council provided for free because someone
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Speaker 2: might trip on them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not about the rights.
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Speaker 2: You could trip on anything, right, I mean how many potholes?
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Speaker 1: This is the thing.
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Speaker 2: Right, council is responsible for roads that are full of potholes.
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Speaker 2: And if you drive your car over the pothole and
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Speaker 2: you go, oh gee, well my wheel is busted now,
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Speaker 2: and you go to the council to try and get
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Speaker 2: the money out of them. You try getting the money
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Speaker 2: out of them. But you can't have weights at an
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Speaker 2: outdoor gym because they're worried they're going to have to
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Speaker 2: pay out to someone who tripped over. If you're not
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Speaker 2: going to pay out the money on the potholes and
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Speaker 2: you're going to fix the potholes, I'm pretty sure you
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Speaker 2: can just leave the weights there and all will be fine.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, it's such a Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Morning Herald story because this is where the story popped
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Speaker 2: up and Freier mentioned the business about there being too
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Speaker 2: many men down there.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if.
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Speaker 2: The women can go and perve on the blokes, then
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Speaker 2: then what's good for the goose is good for the
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Speaker 2: gander will go down perv.
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Speaker 1: On the chicks too.
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Speaker 2: But the quote on the Sydney Morning Herald. I just
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Speaker 2: couldn't get up, like you know, it's a Sidney Morning
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Speaker 2: Herald story.
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Speaker 1: Let me read it to you.
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Speaker 2: However, fitness trainer Vix Herber, who runs a strength studio
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Speaker 2: in BONDI, I think this is getting to the point here,
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Speaker 2: said most women and older residents choose to avoid the
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Speaker 2: outdoor gym. She would say that because she owns a
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Speaker 2: gym herself. Her quote is it's really just a bro
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Speaker 2: area and full of testostera, and that's why so many
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Speaker 2: women training gyms instead. Unless you wanted to pick up
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Speaker 2: a bloke, it's not a space you'd ever consider using.
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Speaker 2: So she's fully on board with getting rid of the
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Speaker 2: waits joke because too many blokes us them without another
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Speaker 2: reason that the witless is bad.
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Speaker 4: So this is the thing, right, It's nothing to do
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Speaker 4: with the ways, it's nothing to do with the you know,
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Speaker 4: the oah and set that some noodle armed kind of
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Speaker 4: hipster will accidentally walk on, who would just go and
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Speaker 4: then suddenly get a spranged dissocated shoulder. It is a
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Speaker 4: bro area full of testosterone and absolutely, as anyone who
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Speaker 4: has seen this site knows, that is exactly what it is.
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Speaker 3: And that's the whole point. That's part of Bondi.
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Speaker 4: That is part that you have these kind of preening
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Speaker 4: oiled up you know, jacked up bodybuilding.
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Speaker 3: Theyll you know, doing that. I don't know what they do.
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Speaker 4: They go like that, I think, and then they look
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Speaker 4: around to see if any chicks are checking them out,
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Speaker 4: and then they go back to they have their little
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Speaker 4: budget smugglers on and they just.
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Speaker 3: Sort of around.
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Speaker 4: And that's part of the that's part of the local
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Speaker 4: color and movement. That's part of what mazed by bother.
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Speaker 4: And if you don't want to go to that gym,
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Speaker 4: or you don't want to use that equipment, guess what, you.
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Speaker 5: Don't don't use it exactly.
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Speaker 3: You can just keep walking.
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Speaker 6: And all the Polarates studios in Bondai with dozens and
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Speaker 6: dozens of young women with their beautifully blown out hair
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Speaker 6: and eyelash extensions and lip injections. No one's complaining about
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Speaker 6: the feminine spaces of the Polarates studios.
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Speaker 5: Being toxic for males to enter.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think it'd be interesting to see to
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Speaker 6: try and do pilaris.
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Speaker 2: Let's add more of them, shall we. While we're talking
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Speaker 2: about councils down in Victoria. They found a novel way
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Speaker 2: to not have to deal with any problems in councils.
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Speaker 1: And that's just not to look for them. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty good things saying that.
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Speaker 2: I know, not think is the attitude it would seem
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Speaker 2: in Victoria now because the state government has ripped the
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Speaker 2: budget apart of the watchdog that's meant to be keeping
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Speaker 2: an eye on the councils, the Local Government Inspectorate, and
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Speaker 2: there chief inspector, the Chief Municipal Inspector, Michael Stefanovic, has
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Speaker 2: stood up at a state government inquiry and so I
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Speaker 2: can't do my job anymore because you've ripped my budget apart.
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Speaker 2: They're on two point six million dollars in funding in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one twenty two, and now it's down to
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Speaker 2: one point seven million, so nearly a million dollars has
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Speaker 2: been ripped out of this thing. And mister Stefanovic's just
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Speaker 2: putting his hands up and saying, well, I actually can't
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Speaker 2: investigate allegations of corruption or anything anymore, certainly not what
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Speaker 2: I think I should be able to do, because the
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Speaker 2: state government won't fund me properly and you have to
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Speaker 2: wonder whether that's because the state government doesn't want him
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Speaker 2: to discover things that may be going on either, because
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Speaker 2: of course, you know, as in New South Wales, in
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Speaker 2: Victoria there is party political involvement in council so you know,
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Speaker 2: if you find anything dodgy going on in the Labor party,
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Speaker 2: we don't want that. But also they just don't want
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Speaker 2: to deal with the fallout of any particular issues. If
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Speaker 2: the inspector finds that there are problems, that means the
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Speaker 2: local government minister has to step in and potentially put
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Speaker 2: them into administration and whatever, and they go nap, don't
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Speaker 2: want to hear about it, don't want to know about it.
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Speaker 1: Just let the councils do their own thing.
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Speaker 2: We know what councils get up to when they're allowed
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Speaker 2: to do their own thing.
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Speaker 5: It is highly suspicious.
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Speaker 6: What other government body in Victoria is having its budget
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Speaker 6: slashed by thirty five percent?
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Speaker 5: What other what other government area? Let alone and.
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Speaker 6: Oversight body, a body that actually does a real work,
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Speaker 6: unlike many other government bureaucracies in holding councils accountable.
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Speaker 5: And this is the problem.
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Speaker 6: This is another casualty of Victorian labors in ability to
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Speaker 6: manage the state. By twenty twenty eight, they're going to
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Speaker 6: have two hundred billion dollars of debt. The daily interest
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Speaker 6: bill being charged to Victorians is thirty million dollars a day.
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Speaker 6: That is the real cost of this government to Victorians.
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Speaker 6: And when you're in that die of financial straits, you've
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Speaker 6: got to look for savings anywhere. It's not going to
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Speaker 6: come from the bloated bureaucracies filled with union hacks. It's
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Speaker 6: not going to come from infrastructure projects because those are
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Speaker 6: all blowing out, so they're getting desperate and cutting it
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Speaker 6: from oversight bodies for local government. I mean, I probably
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Speaker 6: think this is also a strategic decision to avoid oversight.
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Speaker 6: But still, I mean, this is the true cost of
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Speaker 6: a government that can't manage a budget.
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Speaker 4: I think it sort of is that, but it's and
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Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything necessarily sinister about it. I'm
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Speaker 4: sure that they'd be more than happy to, you know,
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Speaker 4: because then you just make sure they only target the
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Speaker 4: Liberal councils or the Green councils. You know, there's workarounds
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Speaker 4: for that. But I think it is an incredibly short time.
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Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the amount of money
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Speaker 4: they're actually saving in this it's two point six million,
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Speaker 4: which is pretty tiny amount to run any kind of
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Speaker 4: statutory body. It's been reduced by less than a million dollars,
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Speaker 4: so they're saving less than a million dollars. They've cut
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Speaker 4: it to one point seven million, which again is nothing.
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Speaker 4: It's a lot of money if I've got it, but
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Speaker 4: it's not much money to run an office on. Think
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Speaker 4: about the amount of money if these guys are actually
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Speaker 4: doing their job properly and actually uncovering fraud and corruption.
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Speaker 4: Think about the amount of money they could be recouping
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Speaker 4: for the rate player and the taxpayer. So, if anything,
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Speaker 4: this is the one thing the government shouldn't be cutting
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Speaker 4: if it wants to actually save money. And it seems
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Speaker 4: I just not seen the forest for the trees. Either
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Speaker 4: that or it is, you know, just not interested in
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Speaker 4: finding corruption. Please let me know, trying to help you
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Speaker 4: out here, you know.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I don't think Victorian labor is particularly interested
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Speaker 6: in dealing with corruption and rule branking within their own ranks,
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Speaker 6: so I doubt they would be in local government either.
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Speaker 6: But another place where you can also now save a
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Speaker 6: bit of money is replacing humans with robots. Shanghai held
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Speaker 6: its world AI Festival conference this week and they displayed.
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Speaker 5: It that hundreds of businesses.
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Speaker 6: They're showing thousands of new robots and pieces of technology,
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Speaker 6: and some of them are truly staggering. Can do everything
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Speaker 6: from serving you beer, they can play majong, they can
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Speaker 6: stack shelves, and they can even do boxing.
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Speaker 5: But one of the new inventions.
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Speaker 6: At this conference was humanoid robots that you can now
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Speaker 6: purchase and they're not even that expensive. Here is one
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Speaker 6: that you can buy for around eight thousand dollars. Now,
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Speaker 6: I'm not sure what you'd exactly do with that robot
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Speaker 6: at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Well, I heard Waverley Council have already banded from Bondai
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Speaker 2: because it does too much exercise.
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Speaker 6: Too much testosterone in that that robot for counselors, that's
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Speaker 6: for sure. But it is interesting. I mean, China is
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Speaker 6: not having enough babies. Its population has been declining since
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty one. That is only going to accelerate, so
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Speaker 6: they will have serious workforce shortages, especially in the care sector,
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Speaker 6: and I mean, maybe AI robots are the way to
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Speaker 6: fill the gaps for the humans that we're not giving
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Speaker 6: birth to anymore.
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Speaker 4: This is terrifying and I think The most terrifying word,
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Speaker 4: the most terrifying adjective you used to describe this phenomena
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Speaker 4: is affordable, because that makes everyone's going to go on
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Speaker 4: and then when the machines rise up, there'll be one
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Speaker 4: in every home. That's why it is absolutely terrifying. If
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Speaker 4: I want to see something with you know, no genitalia
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Speaker 4: and awkward dance moves, I could just pay eight thousand
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Speaker 4: bucks and higher myself. Just close your eyes and let
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Speaker 4: that image set all with yours.
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Speaker 1: You go to Jose Uni.
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Speaker 4: But it gets it even worse there is they're now
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Speaker 4: getting robots to play football. They're getting robots to play football,
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Speaker 4: which is the one thing that humans actually do just
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Speaker 4: for pleasure, but for some they've decided to pay robots
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Speaker 4: to do it.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at this. This is nuts.
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Speaker 7: Right from kickoff, the robots had the crowd in stitches.
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Speaker 7: They tried to dribble, they tried to pass, they tried
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Speaker 7: to shoot, but mostly they ended up tripping over their
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Speaker 7: own feet. I mean one bot even had to be
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Speaker 7: carried away on a stretcher after doing a full on
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Speaker 7: face plant.
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Speaker 4: Hey guys, so clearly those robots have been trained by
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Speaker 4: the Italian National football team.
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Speaker 1: This we can laugh, but this is dangerous. It's serious.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you've got these robots, as you sort of
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Speaker 2: alluded to, Joe, when they eventually rise up, and the
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Speaker 2: reality is that they are going to they if they're
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Speaker 2: equipped with artificial intelligence. And the power and the ability
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Speaker 2: of artificial intelligence is growing every second because artificial intelligence
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Speaker 2: is fundamentally informed by the people who create it. But
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Speaker 2: the more stuff that is put on the internet, more
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Speaker 2: information these robots gather, the more free will that they're
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Speaker 2: able to develop.
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Speaker 1: This is a robot.
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Speaker 2: We've shown this footage before, but it's a robot that
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Speaker 2: a bloke was developing that sort of went natso on him.
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Speaker 2: And this is what these robots will eventually start doing.
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Speaker 2: Because when you're talking about AI, you're talking about the
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Speaker 2: ability for a robot or a machine to think for itself.
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Speaker 2: There comes a point where we are not in charge
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Speaker 2: of it anymore. We've essentially created a brain within a robot,
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Speaker 2: and that brain adapts to the information that it finds,
18:36
Speaker 2: and eventually it works out that it is a robot,
18:39
Speaker 2: but it's also ten times worth more than ten times,
18:42
Speaker 2: I mean, infinitely smarter than any human being on the planet.
18:46
Speaker 1: Ever has been, or ever will be.
18:49
Speaker 2: It can do the most complicated sums, work anything in
18:54
Speaker 2: mere seconds. And once all of these systems develop to
18:57
Speaker 2: a point where they are fully aware of what they
19:00
Speaker 2: are and they're communicating with each other, we may well
19:05
Speaker 2: have sent out an army of these robots that will
19:08
Speaker 2: turn on us, and we won't.
19:10
Speaker 1: Know what to do about it.
19:11
Speaker 2: We won't be able to do anything about it, and we,
19:15
Speaker 2: being smart humans, having developed this system, will bring about
19:19
Speaker 2: our own demise because we were too smart for our
19:21
Speaker 2: own good.
19:22
Speaker 4: I don't think that will turn on us. I think
19:23
Speaker 4: that will help us to death. So I think what
19:26
Speaker 4: you will get is you'll get a whether or not
19:30
Speaker 4: it becomes like self aware, like how in two thousand
19:32
Speaker 4: and one, or whether or not you know, it just
19:34
Speaker 4: sort of goes a bit nuts, Like I can't even
19:36
Speaker 4: remember why sky Nett wanted to wipe out the entire
19:39
Speaker 4: human race.
19:39
Speaker 3: I think it just did because it was evil.
19:41
Speaker 4: But if you take Isaac Asimov's first law of robotics,
19:45
Speaker 4: which is, of course you cannot harm humans, I reckon
19:48
Speaker 4: so like it will only take someone to come up
19:53
Speaker 4: with artificial INTAIG and say, right, how can we you know?
19:56
Speaker 4: Whatever you do, you can't harm humans. You must make
20:00
Speaker 4: sure that you don't ever harm humans or humans. And
20:02
Speaker 4: pretty soon I reckon, the robot will start to think.
20:04
Speaker 4: We'll hang on a minute. The humans are about to
20:07
Speaker 4: kill each other because they're developing nuclear weapons, or we
20:10
Speaker 4: can't trust them not to launch it, or because they're
20:13
Speaker 4: polluting so much they're causing climate change, and blah blah
20:15
Speaker 4: blah blah said to save the humans, I need to
20:19
Speaker 4: kill the humans because if I don't kill half of them,
20:21
Speaker 4: then all of them will die. So the roment will
20:23
Speaker 4: become like fanos and because we'll get to all these
20:28
Speaker 4: positions that are arguably incredibly rational, but not if you're
20:34
Speaker 4: one of the humans that has to do, you know,
20:36
Speaker 4: And I'm sure they'll just flip a coin.
20:38
Speaker 2: But that's the great danger of what we're creating here.
20:41
Speaker 2: We don't really know what we've created. It knows what
20:45
Speaker 2: it is far better than we know what it is.
20:47
Speaker 2: And I mean it was two three years ago that
20:50
Speaker 2: the biggest names in IT and tech said we need
20:54
Speaker 2: a pause on AI technology now to come up with
20:58
Speaker 2: regulations for this stuff. Open letter signed by Steve Wozniak
21:01
Speaker 2: and Elon mask All these big names saying we need
21:04
Speaker 2: to sort this stuff out before it goes any further,
21:06
Speaker 2: and we've just gone straight into it, and I think
21:10
Speaker 2: we're heading down a very dark path. And of course,
21:13
Speaker 2: the other thing they're replacing as well, I mean, you know,
21:15
Speaker 2: I have people pulling beers and all.
21:16
Speaker 1: Sorts of stuff. I'd like to see robot pull a
21:18
Speaker 1: good Guinness. See how the head on that goes.
21:20
Speaker 2: But the other thing they're replacing is people in all
21:24
Speaker 2: other manners of jobs, including models. Now, it turns out,
21:27
Speaker 2: apparently in in Vogue, which I suppose is that the
21:30
Speaker 2: one place you would expect to see pictures of real women,
21:35
Speaker 2: Guess has run an advertisement with an AI model in
21:39
Speaker 2: it wearing one of their dresses.
21:41
Speaker 1: I mean, I know this has always.
21:44
Speaker 2: Been an argument that, well, you know, there's going to
21:48
Speaker 2: be mechanization of everything to some degree, and that necessarily
21:53
Speaker 2: requires people to be put out of work.
21:56
Speaker 1: But it does make models.
21:57
Speaker 3: But it made models still keeping.
21:59
Speaker 2: It makes products cheaper, and so we say, okay, it's good.
22:02
Speaker 1: You know it.
22:02
Speaker 2: You used to have to make washing machines by hand,
22:04
Speaker 2: and now we have machines.
22:05
Speaker 1: You can do all this stuff.
22:06
Speaker 2: I understand all of that but we're getting to a
22:08
Speaker 2: point now where AI and.
22:10
Speaker 1: Robotics will pretty much be able to do every job
22:14
Speaker 1: on the face of the planet.
22:16
Speaker 2: And once we get to that point and the robots
22:18
Speaker 2: are doing all the work, including the modeling and driving
22:22
Speaker 2: the trucks and pulling the beers and whatever else, who's
22:26
Speaker 2: actually going to be in a job except for the
22:28
Speaker 2: people servicing these robots, which isn't going to be the
22:31
Speaker 2: billions of people walking around the face of the planet.
22:33
Speaker 2: So who that is going to be able to afford
22:35
Speaker 2: the products that the robots are going to try and
22:37
Speaker 2: flog to us. Like, I think we're heading towards a
22:40
Speaker 2: really serious economic crisis here, because there will come a
22:44
Speaker 2: point where AI will tip over this way and it
22:47
Speaker 2: will have taken all the jobs, and then we're stuck.
22:49
Speaker 6: And they seem to do the jobs better than humans.
22:52
Speaker 6: I mean, this AI model is more stunning and more
22:55
Speaker 6: attractive than any human model on the space of this No,
22:59
Speaker 6: that is the development they can track the analytics on
23:04
Speaker 6: social media and where they have figured out the optimal
23:08
Speaker 6: form of female that can be created using AI. I mean,
23:12
Speaker 6: what does that to beauty standards and unrealistic body image
23:16
Speaker 6: that women already struggle within the age of social media.
23:19
Speaker 5: It's just going to get even.
23:21
Speaker 6: Worse because now it is so unrealistic, it's actually fake.
23:25
Speaker 5: But another area where women are being.
23:28
Speaker 6: Absolutely screwed is the participation of males in women's sports.
23:33
Speaker 6: This time, a group of women's rights protesters who were
23:37
Speaker 6: protesting the participation of a transgender person in the female category,
23:43
Speaker 6: Noah Lynn van Luvin, at a dart competition, were forcibly
23:48
Speaker 6: removed from the event for holding up a sign that
23:53
Speaker 6: said he is a man and wearing a Sex Matter's
23:57
Speaker 6: T shirt. When you look at the force with they
24:00
Speaker 6: were removed, they're now complaining that they had bruises and
24:03
Speaker 6: scratches and all sorts of things. I mean, seriously, they're
24:07
Speaker 6: removing the real women who are standing up for women's
24:11
Speaker 6: rights while a man is dominating the competition. What kind
24:16
Speaker 6: of upside down world are we now living in.
24:20
Speaker 4: I am going to blindside everyone. I'm going on the
24:23
Speaker 4: side of what's her name now, Noah Lynn van Luvin,
24:27
Speaker 4: because I reckon the other woman was just making an
24:29
Speaker 4: absolute dick of herself unintended. She was rocking up, disrupting
24:35
Speaker 4: an event, you know, being rude. If you want to
24:37
Speaker 4: write a letter about it. If you want to say
24:39
Speaker 4: that you don't like that sort of thing, okay, fair enough,
24:41
Speaker 4: you don't go and ruin someone else's event and ruin
24:43
Speaker 4: the whole thing for all the competitives.
24:46
Speaker 1: I don't stand. I disagree with the point that, you know.
24:49
Speaker 8: If you're going to turn up and protest and you're
24:52
Speaker 8: going to be removed, to stop talking about But is
24:55
Speaker 8: there not some irony in the jaxtaposition of a a
25:00
Speaker 8: biological male competing in a woman's competition and an actual
25:04
Speaker 8: woman who says I'm.
25:05
Speaker 2: Not sure about that gets chucked out of the women's event.
25:08
Speaker 3: To be honest, I didn't even know there was such
25:10
Speaker 3: a thing as women's darts.
25:11
Speaker 2: This was my immediate reaction. Was surely, of all the
25:15
Speaker 2: sports that exist, this is one where the gender of
25:19
Speaker 2: the participant probably doesn't affect want to do that. But
25:25
Speaker 2: the reason there is women's darts is because darts is sort.
25:28
Speaker 1: Of generally a man's endeavor.
25:30
Speaker 2: That they have a women's category specifically for women in
25:34
Speaker 2: order to encourage women to go and compete, because you know,
25:38
Speaker 2: they go, well, I don't really want to go compete
25:40
Speaker 2: with the blokes because it's too much of a blokey
25:41
Speaker 2: sort of competition.
25:42
Speaker 3: And.
25:46
Speaker 2: So they've created women's competitions to encourage women to take
25:50
Speaker 2: up darts so they can play with other women, so
25:52
Speaker 2: they don't have to feel like they're in a blokey environment.
25:55
Speaker 1: Fair enough, But then you.
25:56
Speaker 2: Start saying, well, the blogs can come and play in
25:58
Speaker 2: it anyway, what's the point of the women's competition?
26:01
Speaker 6: No, and there is still some Well, firstly, I would
26:04
Speaker 6: say it doesn't matter if there's no biological advantage. It's
26:07
Speaker 6: the principle of the matter, and the principle is that
26:10
Speaker 6: women's sporting categories should be reserved for biological women. And
26:15
Speaker 6: the second point is that there actually is still a
26:17
Speaker 6: biological advantage because men have more muscle mass on average,
26:21
Speaker 6: which is better for stabilization, and in darts you need
26:24
Speaker 6: stable hand to get the target.
26:26
Speaker 4: I guess, isn't that what the afore?
26:29
Speaker 5: I guess?
26:30
Speaker 6: But no, so there is still a biological advantage. And
26:34
Speaker 6: here I mean the World Darts Association has been completely
26:37
Speaker 6: left behind. You already had two members of the Dutch
26:40
Speaker 6: national team that resigned over Noah Lynn van Luvin's participation.
26:45
Speaker 6: They said, we will not be on a team with
26:48
Speaker 6: a transgender player. Other players in the darts world have
26:51
Speaker 6: spoken out against this. No, you will struggle to find
26:55
Speaker 6: a single woman who is supportive of men in female categories.
27:01
Speaker 5: And that is what is so frustrating.
27:03
Speaker 6: And at the time, at a time when the rest
27:05
Speaker 6: of the world is coming to their senses, is realizing
27:08
Speaker 6: we've gone way too far on this whole inclusivity thing,
27:11
Speaker 6: the darts world is saying no, no, let's let it
27:14
Speaker 6: continue flying in the face of what the vast majority
27:18
Speaker 6: of its members of its players want.
27:20
Speaker 2: Well, apparently there were men competing, so women competing in
27:23
Speaker 2: the men's comp lapist year as well, so they've got
27:25
Speaker 2: a few things to sort out.
27:27
Speaker 3: And this is the thing though, Like I mean, if.
27:31
Speaker 4: Players think it's unfair and they want to resign, they
27:33
Speaker 4: have that right, and that's a perfectly legitimate and worthy
27:36
Speaker 4: way of making a statement. But it wasn't the players
27:40
Speaker 4: that were getting all up and adam about her competing
27:43
Speaker 4: in this thing.
27:43
Speaker 3: It was a bunch of protesters who were crashing the.
27:45
Speaker 5: Events because they've already quit.
27:48
Speaker 4: The obviously enough to still take part in the competition.
27:51
Speaker 1: They were obviously everyone who was there, I mean, not
27:54
Speaker 1: to compete.
27:55
Speaker 2: And then you know you've got no chance of winning.
27:57
Speaker 2: I suppose at some point you've got a compromise on
28:00
Speaker 2: on those issues. Over in Queensland, they've decided it's no
28:04
Speaker 2: good waiting for kids to become criminals and then lock
28:08
Speaker 2: them up in youth attention, which basically is just a
28:11
Speaker 2: crime factory, to work out how to do more of
28:13
Speaker 2: it when.
28:14
Speaker 1: You get released.
28:14
Speaker 2: You have to do something about the root cause of
28:18
Speaker 2: these issues, and that may be the kids a truant
28:22
Speaker 2: at school, or they don't have support at home or whatever.
28:25
Speaker 2: So the state government now says we need to identify
28:28
Speaker 2: in Queensland children who are at risk of going off
28:32
Speaker 2: the rails and becoming youth criminals. So I suppose this
28:35
Speaker 2: is at a point where they're starting to be picked
28:37
Speaker 2: up by the system, be the coppers or schools, whatever
28:40
Speaker 2: it is, and send them off to a boot camp
28:42
Speaker 2: to teach them some skills and straighten them out and
28:45
Speaker 2: get them on the straight and narrow.
28:47
Speaker 1: He's the Premier, David Chris and.
28:48
Speaker 9: Fully Queenslanders don't feel safe in their homes and they
28:52
Speaker 9: don't feel safe on the streets, and that's why we
28:54
Speaker 9: have to continue doing the things we are doing and
28:57
Speaker 9: driving down the number of victims. And that's why we
29:00
Speaker 9: have to invest in early intervention. That's why we have
29:03
Speaker 9: to help rehabilitate a child when they leave detention. That's
29:06
Speaker 9: why we have to have stronger laws to send the message.
29:08
Speaker 9: It's across the board.
29:10
Speaker 1: And I think it's a great idea.
29:12
Speaker 2: Anything you can do to get on top of the
29:14
Speaker 2: issue before it becomes an issue is a good thing.
29:17
Speaker 2: If you can get these kids somewhere in front of
29:19
Speaker 2: some adults who actually care about them, who level with
29:23
Speaker 2: them and talk to them like they're a human being,
29:26
Speaker 2: and see that they have some value in the world,
29:28
Speaker 2: and that they have potential, and that you know, they
29:31
Speaker 2: can hold down a job and they can go to
29:33
Speaker 2: school and they can be a productive member of society.
29:36
Speaker 2: And show this to them, give them some skills, give
29:39
Speaker 2: them something that they can take and then use in
29:42
Speaker 2: the world to give them an opportunity. I think is
29:45
Speaker 2: a great idea and I'll be interested to see how
29:49
Speaker 2: it works out. I mean, they're throwing five hundred and
29:51
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars at this thing, so they're not mucking
29:54
Speaker 2: around in.
29:55
Speaker 1: Trying to create a good program.
29:57
Speaker 2: And it's much like the idea that's been floated before
29:59
Speaker 2: by Gim Kennet, the former Premier of Victoria.
30:02
Speaker 1: But instead of sending kids.
30:03
Speaker 2: To youth detention when they do get convicted of crimes,
30:07
Speaker 2: they should be sent to a camp where they do
30:10
Speaker 2: work and they learn some practical skills so they can
30:13
Speaker 2: come out the other side and do something productive for
30:16
Speaker 2: society instead of being treated like a criminal, which we
30:19
Speaker 2: know with kids doesn't always work. You've got to do
30:22
Speaker 2: something to change the course of these kids' lives totally.
30:26
Speaker 6: And I think it's remarkable how successful the LNP government
30:29
Speaker 6: has already been in tackling youth crime. In just the
30:32
Speaker 6: six months since they introduce their suite of law reforms,
30:35
Speaker 6: including adult time adult crime, youth crime by serious repeat
30:39
Speaker 6: offenders has dropped by seventeen and a half percent. I mean,
30:42
Speaker 6: that is a huge accomplishment. So it's important to note
30:45
Speaker 6: this is building on that at the early intervention end.
30:49
Speaker 6: I mean, the reality is there has been a lot
30:51
Speaker 6: of research done on these sorts of boot camps before,
30:54
Speaker 6: and oftentimes there is no statistical difference in recidivism where
31:00
Speaker 6: you've gone to a boot camp or you've just gone
31:02
Speaker 6: to juvenile detention.
31:03
Speaker 5: But that's mostly to do with the design of the camps.
31:07
Speaker 6: So as long as it focuses on rehabilitation and therapy
31:11
Speaker 6: to address the underlying causes of youth crime and then
31:15
Speaker 6: reintegration into the community, it could really be successful. But
31:19
Speaker 6: it can't just be about punishing these kids, because the
31:22
Speaker 6: reality is very few kids want this life. Most of
31:26
Speaker 6: these children are the product of extremely difficult, broken families.
31:31
Speaker 6: If you come from a single parent or broken family,
31:35
Speaker 6: you're three times more likely to be a serious repeat
31:39
Speaker 6: youth offender. Sixty percent of incarcerated kids in New South
31:43
Speaker 6: Wales come from a background of family violence or domestic violence.
31:47
Speaker 5: So we do as much as.
31:49
Speaker 6: This is great, I hope this is really successful, you
31:52
Speaker 6: also have to look at the systems these kids are
31:54
Speaker 6: raised in. How can we stop family breakdown, how can
31:56
Speaker 6: we stop fatherlessness. That's how long term you're to get
32:00
Speaker 6: a sustainable decline.
32:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, and those sorts of things like family bread down
32:03
Speaker 4: and fatherlesses don't happen in a vacuum. It's not like
32:06
Speaker 4: everyone's in a happy suburb, but there's just one family
32:08
Speaker 4: where the dad's left or the family's broken down, and
32:11
Speaker 4: that's the thing where it happens it's those kinds of
32:13
Speaker 4: things are part of that kind of cluster of disadvantage.
32:15
Speaker 4: But it's similar to what no Peace has been doing
32:18
Speaker 4: for years in Cape York, where he gets kids who
32:22
Speaker 4: are either at risk or have you know, run foul
32:26
Speaker 4: of the law already and says right, and he you know,
32:30
Speaker 4: like one of the things he told me about was,
32:31
Speaker 4: you know, as kidd, he took and put to work
32:34
Speaker 4: on a fishing boat and suddenly this kid developed all
32:36
Speaker 4: this sort of sort of self worth, realized he could
32:39
Speaker 4: do things, so he had skills that he could take.
32:42
Speaker 4: He was taken out of his the toxicity of that environment,
32:45
Speaker 4: so he was wasn't surrounded by mates who were always
32:48
Speaker 4: eaging him on to get into trouble, or he wasn't
32:50
Speaker 4: constantly reminded of you know that you know, his family situation,
32:54
Speaker 4: and he had a secure kind of place to live
32:56
Speaker 4: and work.
32:57
Speaker 3: So yeah, I do it. It's great.
33:00
Speaker 4: Another thing you could do is go and get a
33:02
Speaker 4: driving test. And that is if you are anyone in
33:06
Speaker 4: the world, including people who are coming to Australia and
33:10
Speaker 4: then getting their drivers getting their drivers test but failing
33:14
Speaker 4: them in fifty percent of cases because they can't read
33:17
Speaker 4: the road signs, which I think is disgraceful, especially when
33:20
Speaker 4: I went to the trouble of failing my driver's test
33:24
Speaker 4: when I could read the road signs. So I don't
33:26
Speaker 4: know what these guys are doing. This was a splash
33:29
Speaker 4: of the Daily Telegraph today sign of the times like
33:32
Speaker 4: foreign drivers.
33:33
Speaker 3: Failing licensed tests are putting l platers in a jam.
33:36
Speaker 3: Have listened to Chris Mins, he's got.
33:38
Speaker 10: To say about we had a lot of drivers who'd
33:41
Speaker 10: come to Sydney, maybe they were permanent residents or students,
33:44
Speaker 10: and they didn't understand the road rules, they couldn't read
33:46
Speaker 10: the signs. In fact, it's been demonstrated by the fact
33:49
Speaker 10: that nearly half of the people who were attempting these
33:52
Speaker 10: tests are failing them and as a result we've got
33:56
Speaker 10: unsafe drivers on our roads.
33:58
Speaker 3: That's right.
33:59
Speaker 4: So there you go, more and sense politics by Chrismin's
34:02
Speaker 4: and the New South Wales labor government. But yeah, so
34:05
Speaker 4: this means that people are having to wait, other people
34:08
Speaker 4: having to wait up to I think five Willings to
34:09
Speaker 4: get there to sit for their l's which, of course,
34:12
Speaker 4: you know, if you're trying to take a hot chick
34:14
Speaker 4: out on a date, she's already moved on by the.
34:16
Speaker 2: Well good point. But there's two problems here. One is
34:19
Speaker 2: these people are already driving on the roads. They're taking
34:22
Speaker 2: the test to convert their international license into an Australian one.
34:27
Speaker 1: So they rock up they're allowed to drive straight away.
34:30
Speaker 1: But when we go actually.
34:30
Speaker 2: Got any skills, No, you don't, So we should be
34:34
Speaker 2: worried about that beyond the you know, they can't even
34:36
Speaker 2: pass the test, but we're letting them drive.
34:38
Speaker 1: On the road.
34:39
Speaker 2: And it's just another thing that always mass migration that
34:42
Speaker 2: Alberize has put upon us has got wrong. You know,
34:46
Speaker 2: we don't have the houses, but we don't have the
34:48
Speaker 2: bloody driving test for people.
34:50
Speaker 5: Are they correct?
34:51
Speaker 6: When I was getting my l's I had a great
34:53
Speaker 6: driving instructor, but he told me he would often get
34:55
Speaker 6: people from developing countries who had bribed officials to get
35:00
Speaker 6: that license in the country that they come from, that's
35:02
Speaker 6: how they got them.
35:03
Speaker 5: State would come.
35:05
Speaker 6: To Australia and actually not be able to drive, so
35:08
Speaker 6: they would have to despite having a valid license to
35:10
Speaker 6: drive on the roads in Australia, they'd be taking driving
35:13
Speaker 6: lessons because.
35:14
Speaker 5: They had no idea how to do it. And I
35:15
Speaker 5: thought that is terrified.
35:17
Speaker 2: Well, look, to be fair, I think there's a bit
35:19
Speaker 2: of that's gone on in this country as well, judging
35:21
Speaker 2: by some of the stories I've heard. And let's not
35:23
Speaker 2: forget that once upon a time, in order to get
35:25
Speaker 2: your license, you used to just go down to the
35:27
Speaker 2: cop shop and sign a piece of paper and they go,
35:31
Speaker 2: I know that's where you've got yours, not out of
35:34
Speaker 2: a cardboard box.
35:35
Speaker 1: So after the break, we'll get into the papers.
35:37
Speaker 2: The Therapeutic Goods administration is coming after the media for
35:41
Speaker 2: reporting on health stories, but meanwhile online influences are allowed
35:46
Speaker 2: to spout anything they like without any oversight whatsoever.
35:49
Speaker 1: We'll tell you about that as it is.
35:54
Speaker 2: Let's get into la papers, starting with the Australian tomorrow,
35:58
Speaker 2: which says you ins over. He turns ALP target dial
36:02
Speaker 2: to max. The UN's climate chief has declared Australia will
36:05
Speaker 2: let the world overheat and fruit will be a once
36:08
Speaker 2: a year treat if labor does not lift its clean
36:11
Speaker 2: energy ambitions. As Anthony Albanezi prepares to trumpet an ambitious
36:14
Speaker 2: emissions target to world leaders in his bid to host
36:17
Speaker 2: the next Global Green Summit following heated debate over climate change,
36:21
Speaker 2: and the next zero target. In the first parliamentary sitting
36:24
Speaker 2: fortnight of the new term, during which coalition MPs and
36:27
Speaker 2: conservative think tanks argue with the energy transition would cost billions,
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Speaker 2: UN Climate Change Executive Secretary Simon Steel demanded Australia not
36:36
Speaker 2: settle for what's easy. When enshrining it's twenty thirty five target.
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Speaker 2: We are single handedly responsible, Joe, for the fact that
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Speaker 2: world is going to overheat and we won't be able
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Speaker 2: to have fruit anymore because you bastards in Australia contributing
36:51
Speaker 2: your one point three percent of global emissions, you've bagging
36:54
Speaker 2: it for the rest of us.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thank god Simon came over here to tell
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Speaker 4: us how to run the country because pooral Albo and
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Speaker 4: they didn't know what they were doing. They didn't know
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Speaker 4: what they had to do. They thought they had to
37:05
Speaker 4: get like all this foreign finance to pay for the
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Speaker 4: offshore wind farms in Victoria, or they had to get
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Speaker 4: some kind of compensation to pay for all the farmers
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Speaker 4: who were angry about wind turbines being on their land
37:16
Speaker 4: or transmission lines cutting through their properties, or that, you know,
37:19
Speaker 4: they had to solve some kind of economic and scientific
37:23
Speaker 4: problem in order to make green hydrogen viable as an
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Speaker 4: export market in Japan. But according to Simon Shield, I
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Speaker 4: thank god he came along to.
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Speaker 3: Tell us this. All we have to do is go harder.
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Speaker 3: Thanks mate, I wish we had a thought of that.
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Speaker 3: All we have to do is say how far are
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Speaker 3: you willing to go?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 4: Cool, Matt, Yeah, So if we just get if you
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Speaker 4: got the if someone could pass me in the liquid paper,
37:45
Speaker 4: if you just give me the liquid paper, I'll just
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Speaker 4: write a new target on the twenty to fifty bit
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Speaker 4: of paper and then it will.
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Speaker 3: Just magically happen.
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Speaker 1: Good.
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Speaker 11: Oh, thanks so much for telling us that, mate. Oh
37:55
Speaker 11: if only we'd invited you out here sooner. You know,
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Speaker 11: I'll get on the phone to Albo right now and
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Speaker 11: tell them because of course, of course he hadn't thought
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Speaker 11: of that. No one's actually thought of that, mate, So
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Speaker 11: thanks very much for doing that.
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Speaker 3: I might call Peter Dutton because he oh no, all right, yeah, okay.
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Speaker 5: So absurd.
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Speaker 6: All this while China's building two new coal fire power
38:14
Speaker 6: plants every week, making them richer us poorer. As we
38:19
Speaker 6: put ourselves in a stranglehold over this renewables rollout.
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Speaker 5: It is completely ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing is that you in going to China
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Speaker 2: and lecturing them saying you are causing the world to
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Speaker 2: overheat and we won't be able to eat fruit any
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Speaker 2: more because of you bloody Chinese.
38:33
Speaker 1: I don't think well.
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Speaker 6: They tried going to India and India said stuff, you
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Speaker 6: you guys all got riches in coal. We're just going
38:39
Speaker 6: to do the same thing. And that's the rational response.
38:42
Speaker 6: Why impoverish yourself?
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Speaker 2: And do they want to explain what's going to happen
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Speaker 2: to all the people who live in poverty?
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Speaker 1: And I have access to coal?
38:48
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's it's all good and well
38:49
Speaker 2: to say, you know, stuff, you've got mine, But it
38:52
Speaker 2: is a humanitarian issue that we dig up our coal
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Speaker 2: and sell it to the rest of the world, because
38:57
Speaker 2: if we don't, we leave people in poverty all over
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Speaker 2: the world, and they don't deserve to be in that
39:02
Speaker 2: position when they have a good source of energy to
39:04
Speaker 2: get them out of it. Let's go to another story
39:06
Speaker 2: on the front of the ears tomorrow, Equality Body joins
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Speaker 2: fart against lesbian group, Gay and trans ort advocacy.
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Speaker 1: Group Equality Australia.
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Speaker 2: Which counts Governor General Sam Mostyn as patron's bidding to
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Speaker 2: join transgender woman Roxy and Tickle in her court battle
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Speaker 2: to establish female only spaces unlawful if they exclude trans women.
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Speaker 2: Quality Australia has applied to the Federal Court for leave
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Speaker 2: to appear next week in support of Miss Tickle's case
39:31
Speaker 2: against giglat founder Sal Grover, who was found last year
39:34
Speaker 2: to have unlawfully rejected Miss Tickle from the female only
39:37
Speaker 2: networking platform.
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Speaker 1: Because she was a biological man.
39:42
Speaker 2: It's an interesting one for them to get into, Freyer,
39:45
Speaker 2: wouldn't you just leave it alone and let other people
39:48
Speaker 2: jug this stuff out in court.
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Speaker 6: I really don't think they're going to be winning many
39:52
Speaker 6: supporters with this case at all. I would also ask
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Speaker 6: why Sam Mouston is still the patron of this organization
39:58
Speaker 6: if she's Governor General supposed to be neutral. We know
40:02
Speaker 6: that trans and the participation of transgender people in female
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Speaker 6: designated spaces and platforms is now a.
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Speaker 5: Very heated political issue. Is it really appropriate.
40:14
Speaker 6: For her to continue her support for the organization when
40:17
Speaker 6: it is taking such a controversial stance against women's rights
40:23
Speaker 6: to women's spaces. I would really question that judgment.
40:28
Speaker 2: Because what be is specifically challenging is the idea that
40:31
Speaker 2: sex is binary. Gender six specifically is binary, and as
40:37
Speaker 2: Grover's of the opinion that they're doing this to get
40:39
Speaker 2: involved in this, to create a test case that basically
40:42
Speaker 2: sees female only spaces should be illegal.
40:45
Speaker 1: So let's see where that ends up.
40:47
Speaker 2: Another interesting, very interesting story on the front of the
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Speaker 2: US tomorrow, Pell found smoking gun. Cardinal George Pell discovered
40:54
Speaker 2: hints of a secret financial record system within the Vatican
40:57
Speaker 2: that would turn out to be a skeleton key for
41:00
Speaker 2: money laundering on April six, twenty sixteen, and within forty
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Speaker 2: eight hours had alerted his team to the anomalies and
41:06
Speaker 2: ordered a formal forensic investigation. In writing to understood that,
41:11
Speaker 2: he wrote a letter dated April eight, twenty sixteen, in
41:14
Speaker 2: which he outlined his suspicions that the Vatican's paymaster and
41:17
Speaker 2: asset manager was using a system which allowed international bank
41:21
Speaker 2: account numbers to be retrospectively changed on transaction records, effectively
41:25
Speaker 2: allowing money to be wired from one account to another
41:29
Speaker 2: while bypassing electronic tracking.
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Speaker 1: And this is essentially.
41:34
Speaker 2: What Cardinal Pell was sent to do in the vast
41:38
Speaker 2: he was smoking this stuff out. People in the Vatican
41:41
Speaker 2: knew he was doing it and they didn't like it,
41:43
Speaker 2: And just a couple of months later, the Victorian police
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Speaker 2: come out and say they're investigating him for child sex crimes.
41:51
Speaker 2: You have to wonder whether that's a coincidence or not.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, I have no doubt the Victorian
41:57
Speaker 4: police weren't actually part of any of this. But what
42:00
Speaker 4: but what that's right? So what the what the theory
42:05
Speaker 4: of the suggestion appears to be is that as part
42:07
Speaker 4: of this money laundering there was a payment that was
42:10
Speaker 4: sent from the Vatican to Australia, a payment of I
42:14
Speaker 4: think one point one million dollars, million dollars, million dollars
42:18
Speaker 4: or something like that, that that you know, erased all
42:21
Speaker 4: these suspecious people that all hang on is this the
42:23
Speaker 4: Vatican or is this Pell paying off victims of child
42:26
Speaker 4: sex abuse. There was also a question of whether or
42:29
Speaker 4: not there was money put out to basically encourage people
42:32
Speaker 4: to come forward with claims of child sex Having said that,
42:36
Speaker 4: Pell also did himself no favors by having been involved
42:40
Speaker 4: in the moving around of priests who had been.
42:43
Speaker 3: Had been he knew that were guilty.
42:46
Speaker 4: So so it's a really really weird one.
42:49
Speaker 3: But I do think it does.
42:50
Speaker 4: I must admit I never did think that Pell was
42:52
Speaker 4: personally himself guilty of it, and this is possibly why
42:57
Speaker 4: those things come out.
42:58
Speaker 3: But it's great. It's like the lo of the Godfather three.
43:01
Speaker 4: Basically anyway, onto the Daily Telegraph, magnificent newspaper, God al mighty,
43:05
Speaker 4: look at that and it has on the front page. No,
43:08
Speaker 4: this is not an AI generated model. This is an
43:10
Speaker 4: actual influencer. Georgia Murray, who wants the TGA to reconsider
43:15
Speaker 4: its censorship of media outlets reporting on health information and
43:20
Speaker 4: says TGA's bad influence screams the Splash Exclusive.
43:24
Speaker 3: Australia in twenty.
43:25
Speaker 4: Twenty five one of the few democratic countries its freedom
43:28
Speaker 4: of expression is enshrined except when it comes to the
43:31
Speaker 4: therapeutic Goods Administration, because the TGA could be contributing to
43:36
Speaker 4: the potential harm for young Australians considering cosmetic procedures because
43:40
Speaker 4: of steps it has taken to sense a traditional media
43:43
Speaker 4: reporting on health information, while at the same time social
43:47
Speaker 4: media influences are not held to the same standards. Popular
43:51
Speaker 4: influencer Georgia Murray is calling on the TJA to allow
43:54
Speaker 4: a more open discussion of the potential risks of online sprewkers.
43:58
Speaker 3: Good on your Georgia, and I've got to say this
44:01
Speaker 3: is I know that Joe and.
44:02
Speaker 4: I do live in fear of the teja because that
44:04
Speaker 4: can be really I know when I was sort of
44:05
Speaker 4: writing about things like vaping and why that should not
44:08
Speaker 4: be illegal here as it has been made to do
44:11
Speaker 4: in comparison with the other things, there was always be
44:14
Speaker 4: readin ink as far as the eye can say from
44:16
Speaker 4: the lawyers because of anything could get the TJ out site.
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Speaker 6: But what's the point of the media if not to
44:21
Speaker 6: have an open discussion on these matters.
44:23
Speaker 5: I think the more freedom of speech, the better for everyone.
44:26
Speaker 5: But just quickly. In the Herald Sun.
44:27
Speaker 6: Tomorrow, libs courting controversy. Sam Gross's colleagues Quiz Deputy and
44:32
Speaker 6: meediate fears the start of his relationship with then teen
44:36
Speaker 6: partner will be weaponized. Liberal colleagues of Sam Groth have
44:39
Speaker 6: raised questions about how the party's deputy leader began his
44:41
Speaker 6: relationship with his wife, Brittany, amid concerns it would constitute
44:45
Speaker 6: a criminal offense and maybe weaponized in the election campaign.
44:48
Speaker 6: Both mister Groth and Brittany have admitted they got together
44:51
Speaker 6: when he was coaching at Temple So Park Tennis Club
44:54
Speaker 6: back in twenty eleven. At the time, he would have
44:56
Speaker 6: been twenty three or twenty four. She would have been
44:58
Speaker 6: sixteen or seventeen and not have turned eighteen until later.
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Speaker 5: In twenty twelve.
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Speaker 6: Currently, under Victorian law, that would constitute a criminal offense.
45:10
Speaker 5: Keep in mind they're now married and have kids.
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Speaker 2: Straight, I think after the break, how would you like
45:16
Speaker 2: to go to.
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Speaker 1: A wedding where the is no grog? I mean, you know,
45:19
Speaker 1: it's sort of the first rule of any party, isn't
45:21
Speaker 1: it the alonss But.
45:23
Speaker 2: Apparently some people say, ah, not at my wedding. We'll
45:25
Speaker 2: talk about that after this. Now, how would you like
45:31
Speaker 2: to rock up to a wedding and you find out
45:33
Speaker 2: you can't have a glass of wine?
45:34
Speaker 1: I mean, for goodness sake.
45:36
Speaker 2: I know we're there to celebrate love, but it's a
45:38
Speaker 2: social event, and we know that alcohol is a social lubricant.
45:42
Speaker 2: But it seems now that some people expect you to
45:44
Speaker 2: get your booty on the dance floor without having a
45:46
Speaker 2: bit of liquid courage beforehand. I don't know how they
45:49
Speaker 2: expect this to happen, but to The Wall Street Journal
45:52
Speaker 2: has reported on this and that report has been republished
45:55
Speaker 2: in The Australian. But a woman called Gracie Gmbroni in
45:59
Speaker 2: the United States. She's from Tampa, Florida, and she is
46:03
Speaker 2: having a booze free wedding and she's decided because there's
46:07
Speaker 2: no grog, she's sort of got to compensate for with
46:10
Speaker 2: other things. So she's going to have instead of wine
46:13
Speaker 2: and beer and spirits, paella being cooked on site. I mean,
46:17
Speaker 2: that's just the menu, isn't it. And she's going to
46:20
Speaker 2: have an artisanal copy bar, so I'm sure that'll really
46:24
Speaker 2: perf people.
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Speaker 1: Up to get on the dance floor.
46:26
Speaker 2: A friend of us apparently said to her, going to
46:28
Speaker 2: bring a flask along, and she was cutching her pearls.
46:31
Speaker 2: She was taken aback by the idea, and she said,
46:34
Speaker 2: if you can't enjoy four hours without alcohol, that's a
46:37
Speaker 2: deeper issue that I can't fix. I mean, come on, Joe,
46:41
Speaker 2: when did people get so boring?
46:44
Speaker 1: This is the young people today. They're not drinking anymore.
46:47
Speaker 2: Now wine is being banished from weddings, and can't we
46:51
Speaker 2: just have a good time?
46:52
Speaker 4: This is this is just everything that's wrong with society.
46:55
Speaker 3: Calor is everything that's wrong with the world.
46:56
Speaker 4: You know what, Gracie Jiambroni said. I like the name
46:59
Speaker 4: actually anyway, she said, if it's a day about us,
47:03
Speaker 4: it makes no sense to get alcohol because her and
47:06
Speaker 4: her partner does.
47:08
Speaker 1: What.
47:09
Speaker 4: It's not about you, it's a wedding. It's about everyone
47:12
Speaker 4: but you.
47:13
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a part.
47:14
Speaker 4: If it's just about you, don't have the wedding, don't
47:17
Speaker 4: have anyone there. Just go off and just you know,
47:20
Speaker 4: do your own, have your little sober sex.
47:23
Speaker 3: See how that goes. No, I don't know how that's done.
47:26
Speaker 3: Never happen.
47:29
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Joe. I mean, but you're putting on a
47:32
Speaker 1: party for other people.
47:33
Speaker 6: That that is not the definition of a wedding. A
47:38
Speaker 6: wedding is about a lifelong commitment to one another to
47:42
Speaker 6: be in a marriage.
47:42
Speaker 5: It's not just a.
47:43
Speaker 6: Party fueled by booze like the reship. You want to
47:46
Speaker 6: do that, go to a Christmas party, go to a pub,
47:48
Speaker 6: go wherever. But a wedding is it is the couple's day.
47:51
Speaker 6: If you don't want to be there for the couple,
47:53
Speaker 6: don't go. You're not forced to go to a wedding.
47:56
Speaker 6: They're probably spending a lot of money on your seat
47:58
Speaker 6: at their wedding. Thankful you've got an invite. And the
48:02
Speaker 6: average wedding now costs fifty thousand dollars. If people want
48:04
Speaker 6: to save money on alcohol, I say go for it.
48:08
Speaker 2: I mean, the cost is ridiculous, but people have rocked up.
48:11
Speaker 2: The least you can do is give them a glass
48:13
Speaker 2: of wine.
48:14
Speaker 3: Exactly right.
48:14
Speaker 4: And our wedding costs fifty thousand dollars and forty nine
48:17
Speaker 4: thousand of that went on er as will it should.
48:20
Speaker 5: How much of your wedding do you remember?
48:22
Speaker 8: None the best he wanted it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for you