Latest / Stuff Mom Never Told You / Monday Mini: The Surge In Online Hate Against Women

Transcript

Monday Mini: The Surge In Online Hate Against Women · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andy and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I never told you a production by Heart Radio and
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: today is November twenty sixth, twenty twenty four. Just to
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: put that out there, because a lot of stuff is
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: moving very quickly, a lot of stuff is changing. I
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: never know what's going on anymore.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: And it will be published on Monday the second, So
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: you're hearing this in December, I know.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh oh.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: And this one is kind of a rough one. I
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: would say it's so content warning for sexual abuse, misogyny, and harassment.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: We're not going to get too deep into anything, but
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: it's not great. I would say, c are recent manister
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: your episode because this is related and this is largely
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: from a recent report that came out from the Institute
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: for Strategic Dialogue that got a lot of attention. It
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: came out pretty soon after the election here in the US,
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: So now that we're a couple of weeks out from
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four US presidential election, we did want
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: to do a brief check in on the spike in
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: online harassment to women and girls are experiencing since the
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: election featured a woman presidential candidate and a lot of
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: the focus was on women's rights and reproductive rights. The
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: results fed into this narrative that this means women shouldn't
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: have rights at all. So here are some key takeaways
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: from that report. In the weeks before and after the election,
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: online calls to repeal the Nineteenth Amendment granting women the
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: right to vote shot up, as did calls to go
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: back to the kitchen. The use of your body, my
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: choice skyrocketed, and the original Nick Quinte's video of that
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: phrase has been viewed over thirty five million times. There
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: have been multiple reported instances of boys chanting that at
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: girls and schools. Quintes later went on to add quote,
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: I'd just like to take the opportunity to think men
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: for saving this country from stupides who wanted to destroy
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: the world to keep abortion yep. In the days after
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: the election, and there were videos of men dressed in
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: maga gear harassing women on college campuses, basically telling them
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: to go home, you don't belong here. Online harassment was
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: being used to force women offline, especially in high school
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: or college spaces. Reports of online threats of rape have increased.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: So far, platforms have largely failed to mark these as violations,
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: and there have been calls to form rape squads. One
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: tweet that said quote women threatening sex strikes like lmao
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: as if you have a say received over ten million views.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to come back to this, but this
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: has started a whole conversation with a sexuality that I'm
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: just going to have to address at a later date.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: There's the ongoing rise of sexualized deep fakes used to
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: target and silence women. That was happening before, and now
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: it's really shot up. According to a study out of
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, a wopping ninety eight percent of deep
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: fakes were pornographic in nature and ninety nine percent of
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: them were of women. And this has made revenge porn easier,
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: which is also a problem we need to come back
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: and talk about because it's changed. The use of stalkerware
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: in used by seventy eight percent during the pandemic, and
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: this technology is often used against women. And there are
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: continued conversations about weaponized data collection when it comes to
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: things like abortion. So, how are these companies going to
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: use this data they're collecting on you against you? How
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: can the government contact these companies, work with these companies
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: to use it against you? It is a big problem.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: But like all of it comes together to say that
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: right now, it's really women and girls are facing a
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: lot of very specific threats and targeted harassment online. And
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunately because I think another report I read was
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: saying it was talking about like how companies do or
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: don't do enough to moderate, right our communities, just online
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: communities don't do enough to moderate. And one of the
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: points they made is that if someone from a marginalized
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: community experiences harassment, unfortunately, they're so used to it.
• 5:19
  Speaker 3: They don't leave.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: And so having this like uptick in all of this harassment,
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: they're not sure what's going to happen. Because this report
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: did come out very pretty soon after the election, but
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: it was designed, like a lot of these things they
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: did identify, was designed to get women off of social platforms,
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: off of learning campuses, just to make sure that it's
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: known in their mind they are the ones that have power.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: The country has spoken, go home, and it has global implications.
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: The report also talked about some of the things we
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: saw in other countries soon after. I think one of
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: the big examples they gave was in Japan, the far
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: right was talking about forced hysterectomies, and so they were saying,
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: like this, this is going to really have an influence
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: throughout the world. And it goes back to what we
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: were talking about in that Manisphere episode, because there has
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: already been instances in other countries where it's clear this
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: influence has had this hugely negative impact. And I do
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with like
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: the pandemic and being online more and being in your
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: bear bubble perhaps, and the way media is set up
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: and how a lot of podcasts are free, like a
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: lot of things like that. But it just.
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: I hate it.
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: I just hate it, right, I think it's terrible.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: It's true, it's terrible.
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: Part of this conversation has a lot to do with
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: the self, like the lack of implications when you're face
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: to face. There was a TikTok video talk a lot
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: about TikTok, I'm also chronically online, in which a woman
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: talked about the fact that she and her friend they're
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: both probably I think they said the late twenties, arly
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: thirties were being harassed by a bunch of teenagers and
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: they were like they were fifteen, sixteen year old boys
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: and they were being harassed, and they were not.
• 7:54
  Speaker 3: They were just not paying attention.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: And then one of the boys had the audacity to
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: say something like, oh, I guess the way where we
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: can get our attentions if we rape her, or we
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: should rape them and send it out loud, and that's
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: when the girl turned around and got in his face,
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: and he was so shocked that she came back at
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: him that they came back to apologize to her.
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: They're like, I'm sorry, sorry. She's like, I will.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: Beat yours if you say this to another person if
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: I ever hear you, like all these things, because they really,
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: I think forgot that there can be a reaction, and
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: so being chronically online not like them, you know, not
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: like me necessarily, but they forgot there can be real
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: implications to this conversation. And they said something that they
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: would have written out out loud. And I feel like
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: that's a big conversation that we are not having enough,
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: especially with younger generations. Not that I'm having the oh
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: you young people don't understand. Oh, they just really forget
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: the interaction that happens when the reactions that can happen
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: when you're no longer online and you're in present space
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: and that there are those that like the differences are
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: this and they forget about the real life people from
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: that other side. Nick fints, it's actually another great example
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: of saying this stupidsh online.
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: And then getting dogs. Do I encourage that.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that, I'm but he forgot that
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: there are real consequences of this effort. Essentially, like got
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: freaked out and then started calling out everybody, be like,
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: leave me.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: Alone, I'm at my mama's house. Why you got hello?
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: Bro?
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: You know you said some things that threaten women, and
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: so the reaction was very visceral, and you're you're getting
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: that reaction, and it's kind of that level of again
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: with the podcasting younger generations, they forget the humanity.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: Part of this.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: There are real people who are angry, there are people
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: who are heard, There are people who are scared, and
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: they're going to react out of that in your power
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: play and you don't know what that looks like. And
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: I think also there was another conversation I've seen I've
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: seen where and this could be made up. I don't
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: know where. Supposedly conservative women are also getting told your body,
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: my choice, and that's making them upset because they're like, no, no, no,
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: I'm one of you, and they go to people to
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: be like, help me defend myself.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: They're like, no, this is not that you.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: No one, no one should be threatened and no one
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: should be told I'm going to, you know, do these
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: things to you in any way whatsoever.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: So I do not.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about that, but in the actual like
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: you voted for this, m this type of conversation, This
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: was what you were like key keying about when you
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: said I'm gonna support this other side, which people make mistakes.
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: Hopefully people will grow with it.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: But these are the real life consequences of what is happening.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately for you, you're in the same boat as
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: we are because you're identifying as a woman point blank.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I have seen a lot of interesting discourse
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: about that. But I mean is we're going to be
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: talking about this more in other episodes. But I do
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: think we just during the pandemic, we were all so isolated,
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: we were online all the time, and I think for
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: some people that became that it was already Like I
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: told the story of when I was walking home from
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election and I was getting chanted at
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: horrible things by a group of young boys. So it
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: was already a problem, but I think that because we
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: were so online during the pandemic that it just exacerbated, right,
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of things, right.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: I mean also, white men are all already at power,
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: so this only empowers them more because they know there's
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: less consequences for them. So they were ready, they were excited.
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: They failed this way, and now they get they are
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: not just bold. They think they've been like given this power,
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: not just power because like there is it doesn't. What
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: we've seen this far is those who are supposed to
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: be the bad players, those that we are supposed to be, like,
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: you know, he's a bad guy obviously, don't don't trust him,
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: and he should not be successful. There's no consequences for
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: their bad actions, even when they hurt people like that.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: That is the story.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: And so of course they were just waiting for just
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: a small amount of encouragement because they were already in power.
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah, every dismember, everybody happy, he dismber
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: the final countdown is I'm calling it? Well yeah, yeah,
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot more to to unpact with this,
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: But I just thought this, This report got so much
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: attention we should cover it. So if you have any
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: thoughts about this, if you have anything else you think
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: we should talk about, please let us know. You can
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: emails a Stepanie, mom Stuff, atiheartmeeeda dot com. You can
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast or on
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok at stuff Never Told You. We're on YouTube,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: we have a tea public store, and we have a
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: book you can get wherever you get your books. Thanks
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Christina, our executive producer Maya,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: and our contributor Joey. Thank you and thanks to you
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: for listening. Stefan Never Told You is protection of I
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Heart Radio. For more podcast from my Heart Radio, you
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: can check out the art radio app Apple Podcasts, or
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: if you listened to your favorite shows