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DIDDY DONE? GRAND JURY LOOMS AS MORE VIOLENT SEX ABUSE CLAIMS EMERGE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight, Sean Puffy Comb's aka Diddy aka p Diddy.
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Speaker 2: The world saw the video of you brutally beating, kicking,
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Speaker 2: and dragging Cassie in a hotel hallway. Then we had
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Speaker 2: to listen to your fake apology. Uh. But in the
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Speaker 2: last hours we learn a secret grand jury is set
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Speaker 2: to hear evidence on you, Diddy, as even more violent
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Speaker 2: sex abuse claims emerge. Oh yeah, Dinny, done good evening.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: Hip hop mogul Sean Comb slammed with two more lawsuits
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Speaker 3: alleging sexual assault. Now a grand jury may bring Diddy's
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Speaker 3: accusers to court. Friends speak out against Diddy, detailing a
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Speaker 3: long history of abuse.
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Speaker 2: We are learning in the last hours that a grand jury,
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Speaker 2: a secret grand jury, is being impaneled to hear more
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Speaker 2: charges against the music mogul. What does it mean? Nothing
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Speaker 2: good for Sean Puffy comes listen.
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Speaker 4: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
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Speaker 4: your life. Sometimes you got to do that. I was,
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Speaker 4: I mean, I had rock bottom, but I.
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Speaker 5: Made no excuses. My behavior on that video is inexcusable.
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Speaker 4: I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video.
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Speaker 3: It is now confirmed that in New York City grand
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Speaker 3: jury has been impaneled to hear evidence and witness testimony
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Speaker 3: for an indictment against Sean Ditty Combs. The Homeland Security
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Speaker 3: Investigations Agency HSI first revealed their probe into the when
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Speaker 3: agents raided his homes in Miami and Los Angeles. The
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Speaker 3: investigation reportedly centers on sex trafficking allegations pulled from several
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Speaker 3: recent lawsuits, but sources say the scope has now expanded
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Speaker 3: to include allegations of money laundering and illegal drug trade.
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Speaker 2: Did you hear that in that sad sat video he
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Speaker 2: put out after the video of him beating Cassie and
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Speaker 2: dragging her down a hallway came out, he didn't apologize
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Speaker 2: until then. He says he's had plenty of time. He
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Speaker 2: has had time to think about what he's done in
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Speaker 2: a very dark place. Hey Diddy, you're going to have
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Speaker 2: time to think about it behind bars. He also goes
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Speaker 2: on to say he's taking full responsibility. Does that mean
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Speaker 2: he's going to plead guilty and save us all the
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Speaker 2: pain of a jury trial? I doubt that. Joining me
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Speaker 2: in Elstar panel makes sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin joining me, investigative journalists and star of the
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Speaker 2: outlier podcast Lawn. You've been on the case since we
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Speaker 2: first learned about that raid on Cos's two homes simultaneously
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Speaker 2: on two sides of the country. We now learn about
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Speaker 2: a grand jury being empaneled. What do you know?
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Speaker 6: Okay, So this is very good news, and I'm actually
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Speaker 6: surprised at how quickly this all came together. But what
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Speaker 6: we know right now is that the defendants are being
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Speaker 6: prepped to go in front of a grand jury. There
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Speaker 6: are not potential witnesses being prepped for testimony yet, because
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Speaker 6: investigators and HSI are taking their time to ensure that
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Speaker 6: this is one bulletproof case.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, Oh, I've heard that phrase before.
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Speaker 7: Listen As HSI prepares for the looming grand jury hearings,
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Speaker 7: sources say they are still working to make sure an
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Speaker 7: indictment would be bulletproof. Agents are reportedly in possession of
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Speaker 7: tapes from inside Diddy's home and contacting the people on them.
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Speaker 7: Witnesses have also received no is that they may be
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Speaker 7: called to testify. Some of those witnesses may be direct
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Speaker 7: Diddy accusers, anyone called will likely go through rigorous preparations
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Speaker 7: with prosecutors before facing the grand jury.
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Speaker 2: Not defendants coming before a grand jury, victims and witnesses
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Speaker 2: will be coming before a secret grand jury. Joining me
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Speaker 2: as I said an all star panel. But I want
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Speaker 2: to go out to former federal prosecutor, president of West
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Speaker 2: Coast Trial Lawyers, and author of Harvard to hashtag I
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Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but let me put Harvard
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Speaker 2: out of your mind and put ditty in your mind
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Speaker 2: right now. Nima Romani, Nima, let's talk about federal grand
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Speaker 2: juries or grand juries in general. We keep hearing the
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Speaker 2: phrase bulletproof indictment. I wouldn't go that overboard because for
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Speaker 2: an indictment to be true build in other words, for
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Speaker 2: a graduator hand down and a indictment. A grand jury
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Speaker 2: is typically made up of twenty to forty ish registered
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Speaker 2: voters in that jurisdiction or property owners in that jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: That's how they find them. The key to that is
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Speaker 2: in the right jurisdiction, and they hear a handful of witnesses,
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Speaker 2: typically sometimes even one which could be a lead detective
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Speaker 2: that could sum up all the evidence in all the
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Speaker 2: victims for the grand jury, they ask that the witness questions.
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Speaker 2: The witness, of course, is under oath. Then the witness
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Speaker 2: leaves the room and the grand jury meets, and you
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Speaker 2: hear a buzzer. The DA goes back in and you
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Speaker 2: find out whether there's a no bill in other words,
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Speaker 2: no charges, or a true bill an indictment. It's not
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Speaker 2: rocket science, it's not, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: Let me tell you how it typically works and why
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Speaker 8: it's different in the d d KS. And like you said,
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Speaker 8: usually in the federal system you have twenty three or
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Speaker 8: more grand jurists. You're just in that slight majority twelve
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Speaker 8: and a true bill, and you normally don't put your
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Speaker 8: victim witnesses before the grand jury. You bring one of
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Speaker 8: your law enforcement witnesses, heresay evidence comes in, he or
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Speaker 8: she describes the case to the grand jurors, and usually
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Speaker 8: within a matter of minutes, you get that true bill.
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Speaker 8: So why are things different in this case and why
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Speaker 8: is there a delay?
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Speaker 2: Things are moving.
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Speaker 8: A lot slower than everyone, including myself anticipated. His homes
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Speaker 8: were rated months ago. Well, we know that Diddy is
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Speaker 8: not going to take any type of deal, nor will
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Speaker 8: one be offered him. We're talking about federal sex draffing
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Speaker 8: with minimums nancy of ten to fifteen years in federal prison.
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Speaker 8: If and when did he's convicted, He's going to die
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Speaker 8: in prison.
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Speaker 2: Am I supposed to be sad about a long deal
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Speaker 2: sentence because I'm not. Look for all of his money
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Speaker 2: and his diamond jewelry and his big cars and meat
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Speaker 2: coats and blah, the blaw, the blaw, same thing. He's
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Speaker 2: a bully. I believe the victims in this case. And
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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, Diddy, you've been invited on to correct me.
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Speaker 2: But uh oh, you're an O show. I believe them,
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Speaker 2: not him, because really, you think all of these victims
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Speaker 2: got together, victims separated in time and space, and came
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Speaker 2: up with generally the same story. It's Bill Cosby all
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Speaker 2: over again. Same thing. They're all saying the same thing.
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Speaker 2: Same thing with Weinstein, right, same thing with Epstein and
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Speaker 2: Jelane Maxwell. All of these victims are saying the same thing.
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Speaker 2: How is that possible since they don't know each other.
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Speaker 2: So the fact that this guy, if the victims are
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Speaker 2: to be believed, raped, sex assaulted and beat women, you
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Speaker 2: think I care if he sits in a jail cell
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Speaker 2: for fifteen twenty years because I don't Ramani don't care.
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Speaker 8: Man, I don't either. But if you're a federal prosecutor
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Speaker 8: and you know your case is going to go to trial,
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Speaker 8: you have to prepare for all possibilities. And let me
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Speaker 8: tell you what a real possibility is if you have
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Speaker 8: a defendant who's worth over a billion dollars, that he
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Speaker 8: will pay off these victims to have them not show
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Speaker 8: up at trial. So normally you don't grand durate your victims.
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Speaker 2: Why don't you do that.
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Speaker 8: You create testimony that has to be disclosed to the defense.
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Speaker 8: It may be inconsistent with their testimony at trial, but
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Speaker 8: you're grand during them in a case like this because
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Speaker 8: you want to lock them in because you have to
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Speaker 8: prepare for the possibility that they might go sideways at trial.
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Speaker 8: That's what the Feds of the US Attorney's Office are
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Speaker 8: trying to do.
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Speaker 2: You just got my attention, and not in a good
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Speaker 2: way when you said he could pay off of witnesses.
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Speaker 2: And you know another bullet for the state. That lawyer,
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Speaker 2: I mean, Benjamin Brosman, that guy don't play. That guy
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Speaker 2: goes into the courtroom. He is like a shark. He
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Speaker 2: eats up every state's witness digests them without blinking, and
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Speaker 2: he is working at for Diddy. Brafman is no joke
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Speaker 2: in a courtroom. Another thing, What do we know about
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Speaker 2: potential witnesses? And I agree with Nima Romani on this.
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Speaker 2: You don't put your victims up at the grand jury,
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Speaker 2: no what, because later on you may and in this
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Speaker 2: case will because Braflin will see to it that he
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Speaker 2: gets it, get that grand jury testimony. And if there's
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Speaker 2: any inconsistency at all, it could be dre white wine
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Speaker 2: that night versus I had a margarita. It could be
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Speaker 2: any inconsistency at all. Brafman will tear those victims to shred,
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Speaker 2: okay shreds. What do we know about the new victims
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Speaker 2: At this hour as we are on air, new victims
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Speaker 2: are being ferreted out, claiming violent, violent beatings and sex
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Speaker 2: abuse at the hands of Sean Puffy Combs listen.
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Speaker 9: In the eighth lawsuit against Sean Combe's, model Crystal McKinney
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Speaker 9: claims did he promises to help her career. After they
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Speaker 9: meet at a Men's Fashion Week event in Manhattan. Comb's
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Speaker 9: leader invites McKinney to his studio, where he encourages the
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Speaker 9: model to drink and smoke marijuana, which McKinney now believes
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Speaker 9: was leasd with narcotics. Once McKinney was plied, she claims
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Speaker 9: Combs led her to a bathroom and forced her to
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Speaker 9: perform a sex act. The next thing she remembers is
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Speaker 9: waking up in a taxi and realizing she had been
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Speaker 9: sexually assaulted. McKinney saves the clothes she was wearing that
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Speaker 9: evening in a plastic bag.
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Speaker 2: Monica Lewinsky, does that name ring a bell to anybody
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Speaker 2: joining me an all star panel? But I want to
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Speaker 2: go to Scott Johnson, forensic psychologist specializing and addressing sex
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Speaker 2: predators at Forensicconsultation dot Org. He's even written multiple books,
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Speaker 2: I'm Being Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders, Forensic Consideration and Strategies,
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Speaker 2: and When I Love You Turns Violent? Okay, Scott Johnson.
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Speaker 2: The only thing setting Sean Puffy Combs apart from all
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Speaker 2: the other guys behind bars for rape and abuse is
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Speaker 2: he's got money and notoriety and legions of fans. It's
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Speaker 2: the only thing that makes him different from the others.
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Speaker 2: But I want to ask you, because a lot of
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Speaker 2: people are going to attack this victim. I hate when
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Speaker 2: that happens because she saved biological evidence. If you could
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Speaker 2: see me, you would see I was doing air quotes
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Speaker 2: on biological evidence. That means sperm. I think that's what
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Speaker 2: it means, because you remember when Monica Lewinsky kept the
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Speaker 2: wasn't it a blue dress? And I had Bill Clinton?
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Speaker 2: And I'm not getting into politics. I don't care Bill
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Speaker 2: Clinton's sperm on her blue dress? So he had to go,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I do recall something about her. Now, yeah,
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Speaker 2: the intern, Okay, she was attacked because she kept the dress.
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Speaker 2: I think the same thing's going to happen here. She's
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Speaker 2: going to be assailed, assaulted, attacked because she kept the
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Speaker 2: biological edicus sperm of Sean Peffey comes. People are going
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Speaker 2: to argue, oh, you did that just to get a payday,
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Speaker 2: that's all you want to Who cares if she wants money,
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Speaker 2: That doesn't change the fact that she was assaulted.
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Speaker 10: Right And you know if someone wanted a payday, they
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Speaker 10: would do it right away, not years later. So when
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Speaker 10: people are terrified, they've been victimized, they've been raped, they've
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Speaker 10: been threatened, and they fear for their safety and their
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Speaker 10: sanity is feeling anything but sane. Right, they keep things,
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Speaker 10: and so it was a smart thing to do on
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Speaker 10: behalf of the victim. But people will blame thinking, oh, yes,
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Speaker 10: you were there to set him up. But again, people
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Speaker 10: who set someone up typically come right out right away
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Speaker 10: with that evidence.
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Speaker 2: You're so right, you are so right. Now, as multiple
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Speaker 2: alleged victims come forward, this one with we think Diddy's
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Speaker 2: sperm on her dress, that's quite the momento. It's not
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Speaker 2: like you're saving theater tickets or an old carsage. She's
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Speaker 2: got sperm on a dress. We think that said, it's
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Speaker 2: going to be hard to discredit her because she's got
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Speaker 2: physical evidence. What about the others? And now we are
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Speaker 2: learning that allegations of Combs's physical abuse and sex abuse
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Speaker 2: go all the way back to college. Yeah, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: get to that. But what does Sean Diddy Combs have
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Speaker 2: to say to these allegations. Listen, I'm disgusted.
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Speaker 4: I was disgusted then when I did it, I'm disgusting
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Speaker 4: now and went and I sought out professional help God
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Speaker 4: to go into therapy.
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Speaker 11: I'm going to rehad.
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Speaker 4: Had asked God for his mercy and grace. I'm so sorry,
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Speaker 4: but I'm committed to be a better managent every day.
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Speaker 4: I'm not asking for forgiveness.
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Speaker 5: I'm truly sorry.
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Speaker 9: Crystal McKinney alleges Combs forced her to drink.
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Speaker 1: Alcohol and smoke lace.
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Speaker 2: Drugs before sexually assaulting her.
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Speaker 9: McKinney saved decades old evidence in a bag with the
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Speaker 9: hopes of bringing the rap star and music powerhouse to justice.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just her, there are others. Listen.
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Speaker 12: April Lampros is the eighth accuser to file suit against
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Speaker 12: rapper Sean Diddy Combs. Lampros meets Combs while studying at
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Speaker 12: the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City, and
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Speaker 12: Combs offers to help her find work and introduce her
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Speaker 12: to connections in the industry. Lampros details for terrifying forcible
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Speaker 12: sexual encounters with Combs over five years. The most horrific
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Speaker 12: allegations purporting that Combs forces Lampros to take ecstasy and
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Speaker 12: have sex with his then girlfriend Kim Porter, before raping
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Speaker 12: Lampros himself.
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Speaker 2: It just gets source and worse. I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 2: all the rape victims that I've represented and what they
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Speaker 2: endured during the rape, of all the beating, strangulations victims
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Speaker 2: I've represented in court what they endure not only in
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Speaker 2: the moment of the attack, but for the rest of
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Speaker 2: their lives. They're really never the same same. Joining me
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Speaker 2: is Shannon Hinn, President, founder of Surviving Assault, Standing Strong. Shannon.
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Speaker 2: While it's one thing to talk about Ditti's fur coats
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Speaker 2: and his rolls royces, and his diamond jewelry and all
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Speaker 2: of his money. I think he's estimated to have close
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Speaker 2: to a billion with a b Is and Brother dollars.
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Speaker 2: When I think back on all the rape victims I
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Speaker 2: represented in court, I can't even count them all, and
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Speaker 2: all the women I worked with at night at the
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Speaker 2: Battered Women's Center, it's very sobering, Shannon Henry, because their
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Speaker 2: lives will never be the same.
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Speaker 11: You're right, their lives will never be the same.
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Speaker 13: From the nightmares, to the sleepless nights, to the anxiety
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Speaker 13: and fear and the memories that they have in those flashbacks.
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Speaker 13: Their lives are never the same. And so they're left
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Speaker 13: navigating all of this, getting the help that they need
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Speaker 13: and the support that they need. And when we look
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Speaker 13: at Diddy, he really does have an eye problem. In
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Speaker 13: his apology, which is so empty. He's saying things like
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Speaker 13: I'm disgusted. I sought help, I had to ask for
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Speaker 13: God's forgiveness. But what he didn't have to say was
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Speaker 13: Cassie's name, to apologize to all of the victims that
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Speaker 13: he's hurt, and he did not do that. So as
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Speaker 13: we move forward and we see this ground swell of
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Speaker 13: support coming for these survivors, I'm just excited that they
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Speaker 13: finally feel like people believe them and they have the
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Speaker 13: support that they need to move forward because this is
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Speaker 13: going to be a slog it truly is, but they are.
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Speaker 11: In it to end his reign of terr.
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Speaker 2: You know, so perfectly put Shannon Henry, I'm not a shrink.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go to Scott Johnson on this.
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Speaker 2: But again, Shannon, one thing I'm having a hard time
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Speaker 2: verbalizing it that I saw in every rape or soughtomy victim,
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Speaker 2: and I saw it also in child abuse molestation victims,
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Speaker 2: even adult victims of child abuse, is a lingering, never
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Speaker 2: to go away sense of powerlessness, helplessness, I guess left
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Speaker 2: over from the rape when you can't fight back and
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Speaker 2: you're just getting raped or beaten. Some of the victims
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Speaker 2: described to me more than one. So I don't think
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Speaker 2: it's just a single phenomena, as feeling that they had
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Speaker 2: actually left their body and were looking down as the
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Speaker 2: rape occurred. They were so helpless that in their minds
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Speaker 2: they actually left their body wearing the rape or sawtomy,
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Speaker 2: whichever it was. It was that traumatic and through life,
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Speaker 2: the rest of their life, they have flashbacks and nausea,
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Speaker 2: dizzy spells, and they remember that feeling of helplessness. It
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Speaker 2: never goes away. Shamn. It's true.
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Speaker 13: And you know that's a biological response to fear. It's
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Speaker 13: something that actually happens in our bodies through our brain.
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Speaker 11: It's an entire process.
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Speaker 13: And when they're looking away, they are focusing on solutions.
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Speaker 13: A lot of survivors will say, I kept seeing the
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Speaker 13: door handle. I can't describe what his shirt looked like,
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Speaker 13: but I can tell you what the door handle looked like,
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Speaker 13: And that's because they were trying to find ways to
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Speaker 13: escape in that moment, sadly, and so as this ground
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Speaker 13: swallow support comes about throughout the country and as other
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Speaker 13: survivors come forward, there is hope in the fact that
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Speaker 13: they are a control back.
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Speaker 11: They are flipping the script.
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Speaker 13: On Ditty and they are now the ones speaking up
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Speaker 13: and managing the way that people see the story, understand
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Speaker 13: the story and what happened to these women. My sincere
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Speaker 13: hope is that when it comes time for them to
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Speaker 13: speak up in that courtroom, that they will have been
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Speaker 13: prepared in the best way possible to feel like they're
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Speaker 13: in control. They know where he's going to sit, they
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Speaker 13: understand the layout of the room, and a good attorney
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Speaker 13: will do that with them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to know everything shedding, You're right, They've
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Speaker 2: got to know what's going to happen on direct and
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Speaker 2: maybe more importantly, what is going to happen on cross
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Speaker 2: exam a searing shredding cross example.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Scott Johnson with me. For physic psychologists specializing and addressing
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Speaker 2: sex predators, what is that feeling when you become in
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Speaker 2: the middle of a sex attack, disembodied and you actually
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Speaker 2: feel you can look down and see the rapist from
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Speaker 2: a different part of the room, or as Shannon Henry described,
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Speaker 2: focusing on the door handle instead of what's happening to your.
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Speaker 14: Body, Right, it's just total survival mode, or to just
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Speaker 14: not feel for a moment, what's happening because you're powerless
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Speaker 14: over that, but you're not powerless over observation and perhaps
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Speaker 14: putting yourself somewhere else in your brain.
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Speaker 2: Putting yourself somewhere outside your brain. Robert Crispin is joining me.
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Speaker 2: I want to follow up with you, Crispin, based on
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Speaker 2: what Shannon and Scott have just told us. Robert guys
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Speaker 2: private investigator, but in my mind more important today former
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Speaker 2: federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice with
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Speaker 2: a DA Miami Fuel Division Homicide and Crimes against Women
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Speaker 2: and Children investigator. Never like a business in Miami Dade,
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Speaker 2: I might say now at Crispin Special Investigations, Robert can
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Speaker 2: I actually makes me feel nauseous right now in this
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Speaker 2: studio when I am hearing Shannon talk and hearing Scott
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Speaker 2: Johnson talk about these ladies and what they went through
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Speaker 2: and what they are still endearing to this day, and
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Speaker 2: I think about all the rape victims and molestation victims
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Speaker 2: I've dealt with, and I have to stop for just
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Speaker 2: a moment. I got to think about something else because
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling literally sick to my stomach about it. Let's
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Speaker 2: talk about how we're gonna get in how well.
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is pretty easy. There's a reason that
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Speaker 5: the government is putting these victims in front of the
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Speaker 5: grand jury. Rest assured that the investigators and the agents
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Speaker 5: spent hours and hours with all these victims, and they
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Speaker 5: feel very confident that they have a common theme, that
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Speaker 5: they're solid, and that they're going to be some type
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Speaker 5: of Obviously on a cross there's always an issue, but
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Speaker 5: they're pretty much going to be bulletproof because all these victims,
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Speaker 5: who don't know each other rest to share.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that they told.
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Speaker 5: The exact same story, the exact same If you want
23:26
Speaker 5: to say modus operator about how Didty operates when he
23:29
Speaker 5: gets his victims drunk, drugs him and then sexually assaults
23:33
Speaker 5: them violently. That is extremely traumatic. These victims are going
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Speaker 5: to carry this for a lifetime.
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Speaker 15: April lamp Posts was only a student when she alleges
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Speaker 15: did he force her into terrifying sexual encounters using his
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Speaker 15: power to promise her connections and work in the industry.
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Speaker 15: Lamp Posts was allegedly forced to have sex with Ditty's
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Speaker 15: then girlfriend Kim Porter while on X to see Wow.
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Speaker 2: It just keeps on happening, And remember that video of
24:05
Speaker 2: him dragging Cassie up and down the hotel hallway, baiting her,
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Speaker 2: kicking her, throwing this big, expensive glass vase at her. Okay,
24:18
Speaker 2: then we've seen all of his apologies apologies. Well, apparently
24:26
Speaker 2: that's all for show, because sources now reveal that Combs
24:31
Speaker 2: is saying Cassie's tape is one sided. Listen.
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Speaker 7: Sean Combs publicly apologizes and accepts responsibility for his actions
24:43
Speaker 7: in the twenty sixteen video of him attacking girlfriend Cassie Ventira,
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Speaker 7: but privately did He has commented that the video quote
24:52
Speaker 7: doesn't tell the full story about what happened. Combs calls
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Speaker 7: the video quote selected and one sided, adding that its
25:01
Speaker 7: release is part of an agenda to destroy his reputation.
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Speaker 2: I would say I'm surprised because I feel shocked that
25:07
Speaker 2: he's such an idiot. But is this correct? Lauren Colin
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Speaker 2: joining me start of the Outlier podcast, Lauren, So he
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Speaker 2: makes all these public apologies, God have mercy on me
25:21
Speaker 2: in all of his other Bs technical legal term, when
25:25
Speaker 2: in his own camp, he's saying the video that emerged
25:31
Speaker 2: is quote one sided, doesn't tell the quote whole story,
25:36
Speaker 2: and is quote selective and part of some vast conspiracy
25:40
Speaker 2: to get Diddy, Get Diddy. I hadny thought about Diddy
25:45
Speaker 2: until I saw that video. Now I'm thinking about Diddy.
25:49
Speaker 2: Nobody's part of a conspiracy. That's just like Simpson claiming
25:53
Speaker 2: the LAPD had a big conspiracy to get a famous
25:57
Speaker 2: football star they all loved. He is actually saying amongst
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Speaker 2: his own camp that the video was part of a conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: There's more to it, what more beating in the hotel
26:09
Speaker 2: room exactly.
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Speaker 6: I mean, he is such a rodent, and I just
26:12
Speaker 6: want to go back to his post on Instagram when
26:15
Speaker 6: he wrote time tells truth total bs. Like you said,
26:20
Speaker 6: let me go back and give you some context as
26:22
Speaker 6: to what that video was. Cassie detailed in her lawsuit
26:26
Speaker 6: she left the hotel because Diddy just gave her a
26:30
Speaker 6: black eye after forcing her to do what he called
26:33
Speaker 6: a freak off, which is when she was forced to
26:35
Speaker 6: have sex with sex workers. He would film it, he
26:38
Speaker 6: would tell her what to do in his drunken stupor,
26:41
Speaker 6: he punched her, she escaped, and that was the video
26:44
Speaker 6: that we saw. I mean, I'm so disgusted, Nancy, I
26:47
Speaker 6: am so sick of this. I just the day cannot
26:50
Speaker 6: come soon enough for these women to get justice.
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Speaker 2: Of course, let me just stress Sean Puffy Comes aka
26:58
Speaker 2: Diddy aka Ditty has not yet been indided, he has
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Speaker 2: not been tried, and he will be able to exercise
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Speaker 2: all of his constitutional rights at trial, and I can
27:11
Speaker 2: assure you defense attorney Ben Brofman will make sure that
27:16
Speaker 2: he takes advantage of every constitutional protection. Okay. That said,
27:24
Speaker 2: while Sean Puffy Combs is whining, Andrew arnfrayers that the
27:29
Speaker 2: beating tape of Cassie Vanteriro being dragged up and down
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Speaker 2: the hallway is one sided. She and the others we've
27:37
Speaker 2: mentioned are not the only ones coming forward. Listen.
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Speaker 12: Three of the women accusing Diddy of heinous sex crimes
27:44
Speaker 12: and lawsuits have spoken about their allegations publicly for the
27:47
Speaker 12: first time. Dickerson Neil says for her, it's not about
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Speaker 12: the money, but revealing the icon's disgusting, unpunished behavior. Model
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Speaker 12: Crystal McKinney says she felt like she was dying every
27:58
Speaker 12: day she did not come forward. The third woman who
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Speaker 12: remained anonymous, agreed that it was incredibly difficult to tell
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Speaker 12: her story publicly, but once Comb's and all those who
28:09
Speaker 12: acted with him were stood by to also be held accountable.
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Speaker 2: We are also learning in the last hours that reportedly
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Speaker 2: a male sex worker is believed to have been a
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Speaker 2: witness against Diddy. Sean Puffy Combs aka Diddy to face
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Speaker 2: a grand jury charge as FEDS are contacting accusers to
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Speaker 2: testify against him, including a male sex worker. Lauren Conlin,
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Speaker 2: I don't believe you mentioned that at the beginning of
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Speaker 2: our program.
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Speaker 6: Well, look, there's a lot of people that are contacting
28:50
Speaker 6: because they are still going through the footage that they
28:53
Speaker 6: got from his Miami and La Holmes. And what HSI
28:56
Speaker 6: is doing is they are picking out who are in
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Speaker 6: these videos and they are contacting them. So this is
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Speaker 6: still a work in process.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, Okay, again a quote bulletproof indictment to Nima Romani,
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Speaker 2: very renowned former federal prosecutor, president West Coast trial lawyers,
29:18
Speaker 2: and author. Nima, got to be careful regarding who you call,
29:26
Speaker 2: because some jurors will judge a witness based on their reputation. Now,
29:33
Speaker 2: my approach to jury trials is to bring every single witness.
29:38
Speaker 2: I don't care if there are a none, a priest,
29:39
Speaker 2: a virgin, or a sex worker. Don't care. Tell your
29:44
Speaker 2: jury ahead of time what you're doing and why. But
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Speaker 2: I don't consider a sex worker's testimony any less important
29:54
Speaker 2: than I would, as I said, ann a priest or
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Speaker 2: a virgin. What do you think about this latest twist
30:01
Speaker 2: that one of the alleged witnesses against Combs is a
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Speaker 2: male sex worker.
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Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy's sex worker is going to
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Speaker 8: be sexually assaulted too, But the reality is some jurors
30:14
Speaker 8: will view them differently. So what you want to do
30:16
Speaker 8: is corroborate their testimony. In any case like this where
30:19
Speaker 8: the victims didn't come forward immediately, where there's an allegation
30:23
Speaker 8: that this is a money grab or a payday because
30:25
Speaker 8: they file their civil lawsuits before going to law enforcement,
30:28
Speaker 8: at least reportedly, what you want to do is corroborate
30:32
Speaker 8: their testimony. And juris might not believe the testimony of
30:36
Speaker 8: one victim, especially when you're talking about a criminal case
30:39
Speaker 8: involving reasonable doubt, but it's going to be hard for
30:42
Speaker 8: them to disbelieve the testimony of the seven or more
30:46
Speaker 8: victims that are file lawsuits in this case, and the
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Speaker 8: twelve or more that are reportedly testifying before the grand jury.
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Speaker 3: Hip hop Mogul Sean Combs slammed with two more lawsuits
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Speaker 3: alleging sexual assault. Now a grand jury may bring Ditty's
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Speaker 3: accusers to court. Friends co workers speak out against Ditty,
31:05
Speaker 3: detailing a long history of abuse.
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Speaker 2: At this point, we are learning that former friends and
31:14
Speaker 2: co workers are jumping on the bandwagon. One of the
31:18
Speaker 2: defense attacks on these former friends and co workers is
31:22
Speaker 2: why now? Why didn't we say anything before? Now? Listen?
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Speaker 9: Bad Boy Records co founding partner describes tearing Comb's off
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Speaker 9: a woman in the label's office when they hear screams
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Speaker 9: and glass shattering. Comb's attacks. Music execs Shakir Stewart breaking
31:36
Speaker 9: a chair over his head for going on a few
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Speaker 9: dates with his ex. Kim Porter, a graphic designer, says
31:42
Speaker 9: Combe solicited her for sex while she was on his payroll.
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Speaker 9: In a personal chef Sue's Combs for sexual harassment in
31:48
Speaker 9: twenty seventeen. Model Gina Hunn says Combs beat her during
31:52
Speaker 9: their four year relationship, and her twenty nineteen public claims
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Speaker 9: were ignored.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in alstar panel, but now to Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 2: private investigator formerly with crimes against children and women. Crispin
32:21
Speaker 2: if this is true, And again, all of these matters
32:25
Speaker 2: that we are discussing are allegations. They have not been
32:29
Speaker 2: proven in a court of law. Why did he may
32:33
Speaker 2: have paid Cassie ventiup millions of dollars in a settlement. Hey,
32:38
Speaker 2: maybe he's innocent and he can explain all that to
32:41
Speaker 2: a jury that said, the claims of a male sex
32:45
Speaker 2: worker as a witness in this case, we're waiting. Those
32:50
Speaker 2: are allegations right now. But query Robert Crispin. If you
32:56
Speaker 2: would beat someone and shattered glass, the woman is screaming
33:01
Speaker 2: so loudly, other people come running in a recording studio
33:07
Speaker 2: that's in public. Well, it's like going over to target
33:10
Speaker 2: and meeting someone and trying to rape somebody right there.
33:13
Speaker 2: If you would do that with people around, what would
33:18
Speaker 2: you do behind closed doors? Crispin?
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Speaker 5: Pretty scary, right, You do a lot more than that.
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Speaker 5: And the other issue is all these people who witness this,
33:29
Speaker 5: they never came forward because they're in Ditty's world and
33:32
Speaker 5: they want to stay in Ditty's world, and he's an
33:34
Speaker 5: icon and I didn't see that.
33:36
Speaker 2: What I didn't see that?
33:37
Speaker 5: So behind closed doors it gets worse, and I think
33:42
Speaker 5: you're going to find that there's a lot of videos
33:44
Speaker 5: that are going to start coming out. They're going to
33:46
Speaker 5: justify a lot of these actions. And that's why this
33:49
Speaker 5: is taking so long. As I said, way in the
33:50
Speaker 5: beginning of this, when everyone was rushing to say he's
33:52
Speaker 5: getting indicted tomorrow, no way.
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Speaker 11: I've done these cases.
33:56
Speaker 5: I've been in front of your injuries. Every single one
33:58
Speaker 5: of these witnesses has to be interviewed at length. Their
34:02
Speaker 5: credibility has to be judged by the investigators or the agents,
34:05
Speaker 5: and then systematically they're taking these people into grand jury
34:08
Speaker 5: and they're laying their case out. There's no hurry here.
34:12
Speaker 5: They have what they need. Now they need to put
34:14
Speaker 5: that bulletproof case together.
34:16
Speaker 2: Scot Johnson forensic psychologists. Of these witnesses that we're hearing about,
34:20
Speaker 2: including his former friends and coworkers at Bad Boy Records,
34:24
Speaker 2: they're going to be attacked because they didn't say anything
34:28
Speaker 2: at the time. They heard that glass smashing and that
34:30
Speaker 2: woman screaming, and you know, his little group around him
34:35
Speaker 2: have seen a lot more than that one incident. It's
34:39
Speaker 2: like a roach. You see one, there's one hundred more
34:44
Speaker 2: hiding in the cabinet. You think that's the only time
34:46
Speaker 2: he beat somebody. So these witnesses are going to be
34:51
Speaker 2: attacked by Brafman and probably a whole fleet of IPAID
34:54
Speaker 2: attorneys for Sean Puffy Combs about why they didn't come
34:58
Speaker 2: forward at the time. Why didn't they?
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Speaker 10: Well, right, but that's common. Most victims don't come forward,
35:04
Speaker 10: or if they do, it's sometime after a crime. And
35:07
Speaker 10: especially if you're living in his world, as they're saying,
35:11
Speaker 10: you have to fear for your safety, your reputation, your career,
35:14
Speaker 10: not to mention what others are going to say if
35:16
Speaker 10: Diddy decides to diss you, which he does. So there's
35:20
Speaker 10: violence to worry about. There's everything to worry about. And
35:24
Speaker 10: someone I thought said in the hip hop world that
35:28
Speaker 10: this has been our open secret for years. Well right,
35:32
Speaker 10: everybody just kept letting it happen because they're afraid of him.
35:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody said that after r Kelly and Weinstein and Epstein,
35:40
Speaker 2: did it really change anything. I don't know about that.
35:45
Speaker 2: I have to go on a case by case basis.
35:47
Speaker 2: But to you, Shannon Henry, president and founder a Surviving
35:50
Speaker 2: Assault Standing Strong joining us, if you think about these
35:54
Speaker 2: witnesses that did not come forward at the time, or
35:56
Speaker 2: call nine to one one. It's no different than from
35:59
Speaker 2: the batter women and you and I deal with every
36:01
Speaker 2: single day. They stay in it, and it's the phenomenon.
36:04
Speaker 2: And you have to understand the cycle of battering to
36:09
Speaker 2: understand why they stay. I know it up here, I
36:12
Speaker 2: still don't really understand it in my heart. Why would
36:15
Speaker 2: you stay with someone that beats you and nearly kills
36:18
Speaker 2: you on a routine basis much less what it does
36:20
Speaker 2: to your children to see that. But they don't come forward.
36:24
Speaker 2: They're afraid, they're financially dependent. In some cases, they don't
36:27
Speaker 2: want their families to find out that their marriage or
36:30
Speaker 2: their relationship is busted. And why for a lot of
36:35
Speaker 2: different reasons. And I don't mean uneducated women. I mean
36:39
Speaker 2: women with PhDs and great jobs and maybe even the
36:43
Speaker 2: main breadwinner in the home don't come forward. It happens
36:48
Speaker 2: all the time.
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Speaker 11: It does happen all the time.
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Speaker 13: And I think you know, just like you said, there's
36:53
Speaker 13: a myriad of reasons why it happens. Financially children, they're
36:59
Speaker 13: afraid to lead, And I go back to what I
37:01
Speaker 13: said the last time.
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Speaker 11: They also love them.
37:04
Speaker 13: Their definition of love may be different from the person
37:07
Speaker 13: that they're with.
37:08
Speaker 11: But they love them at some level, and.
37:11
Speaker 13: There's always this hope that something will change, they'll get better.
37:14
Speaker 13: If they just love them enough, maybe they'll change, And
37:17
Speaker 13: maybe I'm the one that can do it. But in
37:19
Speaker 13: the end, eighty six percent of women do not come
37:22
Speaker 13: forward to share what's going on and try to casually
37:26
Speaker 13: go away safely and deal with it on their own.
37:29
Speaker 13: But as you said earlier, that's a lifetime of trauma
37:33
Speaker 13: to deal with.
37:34
Speaker 11: And what we're.
37:35
Speaker 13: Seeing and what I hope that these attorneys do is
37:38
Speaker 13: they piece together Diddy's playbook and they open Pandora's box
37:43
Speaker 13: and that justice will He will feel the staying of justice,
37:47
Speaker 13: if not here on earth, there is a justice system
37:50
Speaker 13: that he cannot outrun.
37:52
Speaker 2: I don't want to wait so we're all dead in heaven,
37:54
Speaker 2: God willing I make it to heaven. No, I want
37:57
Speaker 2: justice in the here and now. So Nima Ramani, former
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Speaker 2: Federal prosecutor, President West Coast Trial Lawyers, on and on
38:06
Speaker 2: and on and on with his accolades, Nima, how do
38:11
Speaker 2: I get justice now? I don't want to wait till
38:14
Speaker 2: we all die and hopefully go to heaven. I want
38:17
Speaker 2: justice now for these victims. So how do you deal
38:21
Speaker 2: in a nutshell, Nima. I know you could write an
38:23
Speaker 2: entire law review article on it, but how do you
38:26
Speaker 2: deal with witnesses that did not come forward at the time.
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Speaker 8: Well, you're going to corroborate it, right, and you have
38:32
Speaker 8: that video evidence.
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Speaker 2: Did He can lie?
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Speaker 8: His lawyers can lie. Let's not forget when Cassie first
38:37
Speaker 8: filed out lawsuit in November, did these lawyers come out
38:40
Speaker 8: and said these are baseless and outrageous lies. But the
38:43
Speaker 8: good thing for the prosecution and the terrible thing for
38:45
Speaker 8: did You, is that there's going to be a lot
38:47
Speaker 8: of video evidence here. So once the victims are grand jury,
38:52
Speaker 8: you put them one after another. What we're going to
38:54
Speaker 8: do as former prosecutors, Nancy, you and I and what
38:57
Speaker 8: the prosecutors in the Southern District of New Yorker going
39:00
Speaker 8: to do or the best in the business. They're going
39:02
Speaker 8: to unseal a Rico indictment and they're going to follow
39:05
Speaker 8: the R. Kelly model. We're talking about Weinstein, Epstein, Cosby.
39:10
Speaker 8: But I think that's going to be the most analogous case.
39:13
Speaker 8: That way, you get all the reco predicate acts and
39:16
Speaker 8: relevant conduct, some of it which even falls outside the
39:20
Speaker 8: statue of Limitaians. You can bring that in like that
39:23
Speaker 8: horrible beating that took place here in Los Angeles, less
39:26
Speaker 8: than a mile away from where I'm sitting. That's how
39:28
Speaker 8: you get Diddy Nancy.
39:31
Speaker 16: Countless allegations and eight lawsuits later, Diddy's reign comes crumbling down.
39:38
Speaker 16: Heloton and a leading eyewear retailers say bye bye to Ditty.
39:44
Speaker 2: Does the alleged abusive behavior from megastarr Sean Puffy aka
39:52
Speaker 2: Diddy comes date all the way back to college? Listen.
39:58
Speaker 3: Students at Howard University in the late eighties recall business
40:02
Speaker 3: major Sean Puff Combs standing outside his girlfriend's dorm, screaming
40:06
Speaker 3: for her to come down. Students watch as the girl
40:08
Speaker 3: approaches Combs and raise the alarm when he becomes violent,
40:12
Speaker 3: saying Puff is out here acting crazy. He's beating her.
40:15
Speaker 3: Bystanders scream for Combs to get off of her as
40:18
Speaker 3: he hits his girlfriend with a belt several times. The
40:20
Speaker 3: woman Combs reportedly attacked. His decline to comment on the incident,
40:24
Speaker 3: but the witnesses clearly remember how Comb's quote whooped her but.
40:28
Speaker 2: Quote whipped her but out in the open. Now does
40:34
Speaker 2: it matter to me if it's an open or behind
40:37
Speaker 2: closed doors? Noe, it does not, but I can tell
40:40
Speaker 2: you it's like the camel's nose in the tent. His
40:42
Speaker 2: tail will surely follow. If he's willing to beat a
40:46
Speaker 2: co ed out and public with a belt buckle, beating
40:51
Speaker 2: her all over her body, not just several times, I
40:55
Speaker 2: mean beating her with a belt buckle and public, what
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Speaker 2: does he do behind closed doors? And thanks to Fiddy,
41:06
Speaker 2: even more victims are set to come forward.
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Speaker 7: Listen rapper fifty Cent, who has been outspoken in his
41:13
Speaker 7: criticism of Diddy since the HSI raids on Combe's homes,
41:18
Speaker 7: has recently sold the rights to his multi part documentary
41:22
Speaker 7: on the Mogul's downfall to Netflix. Fans have dubbed the
41:26
Speaker 7: untitled series Diddy Do It. Fifty Cent took to Instagram
41:30
Speaker 7: to celebrate the sale, saying he may need to add
41:33
Speaker 7: more episodes if more victims continue to come forward.
41:37
Speaker 2: As more videos of Sempa he comes set to come forward,
41:42
Speaker 2: allegedly of him beating and abusing women, and one drug
41:47
Speaker 2: mule connected to Diddy taking a guilty plea what in
41:51
Speaker 2: exchange for testimony? We wait as just as unfolds, But
41:57
Speaker 2: now we stop and we remember American hero Jacques Rigeau,
42:02
Speaker 2: Junior of Walker Township, Pennsylvania. Ragau shot and killed in
42:08
Speaker 2: the line of duty. He survived by a grieving wife Chloe,
42:13
Speaker 2: sister and brother Christina, and Justin his two doggies, Winnie
42:18
Speaker 2: and Charlie. American hero Trooper Jacques Rujau. Thank you to
42:26
Speaker 2: all of our incredible guests bringing all of their expertise,
42:31
Speaker 2: their knowledge, their education to you tonight, but especially thank
42:36
Speaker 2: you to you for being with us tonight and every
42:40
Speaker 2: night as we continue to champion crime victims and seek justice.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,