Latest / (re)Visitation Rights / #192 Ratatouille (2007) | Successful Restaurant, NY Rats Would Ask for Points on the Package | RVR09
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- Revisitation Rightspod: Welcome to the Revisitation Rights Podcast. I'm Pat. I'm Brandon. I'm Justin. And on today's show, we have ⁓ this is a first-time watch for me. ⁓ I think both of you saw it already, right? No, first time watch for me. First time watch for you too? Yeah. Not seen. No, I've seen it before. All right. So we had a ratatue. Donkey meat. So I I do have a story about something similar. We'll we'll get to that later. But ⁓ it's currently ranked number one ninety two with a score of eight point one and a combined rotten tomato scores of ninety one point five, had a production budget slightly of a hundred and fifty three million. Damn. ⁓ earning a little over six hundred fifty million at the box office. The log line, I mean, what the fuck? They didn't put any kind of effort into the log line. A rat who can cook makes an unusual alliance with a young kitchen worker at a famous Paris restaurant. Written by ⁓ holy shit. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven different writers. Brad Bird, Jan Pincava, Jim, I'm not even gonna Capo Bianco. Emily Cook, Kathy and Bob. Kathy Greenberg and Bob Peterson, directed by Brad Berg and Jan Pincava, starring Pat Noswell, Lou Romano, Gene Garofalo, Peter O'Toole, Ian Holm, and there's a ton of other voices that I recognize, but I did not see them on the list. ⁓ so first of all, number 192 is super disrespectful. Super disrespectful to this movie. Get clockwork out of there. God damn. Get him out of there. When I I don't know about that, but when one ninety two is way, way too low. Yeah, bro. ⁓ get Joker out of there. At least like one thirty. One twenty. I'm gonna say I'm gonna I'm gonna say teeth's on top hundred. Right right on better or worse than Joker. Stop. Stop. Way, way, way better. We we talk about ratitude right now, man. Wi with a better message than Joker. Hundred percent. You wanna let rats you wanna let rats cook your food? Live in New York City, of course. I'm sure there's rat meat and everything. So so have either of you all actually been to Paris? Yes. I have not, no. I really wanna when you went Pat, did you actually get to get some like really fine qu like Parisian cuisine? Parisian. So it it's a really long story. I'm gonna try to do the short version. ⁓ so we went for I d I don't know, maybe our some kind of anniversary, maybe fifteenth anniversary, whatever it was. ⁓ And ⁓ I did not want to go. She wanted to go. So, you know, I I automatically lose there. But so we went and she was like, ⁓ my friend went into ⁓ the Eiffel Tower. They had dinner in the Eiffel Tower. She said the food wasn't good, but it was an experience, blah blah blah. I was like, All right, cool, we'll we'll do we'll do that. So ⁓ for the most part we did like a lot of sightseeing and everything. 'Cause I I I have a problem where I can't really sit still in one place for too long. So like we kind of fly into the museums, like I cool. Like I I take in information really quick. So I'm just, you know, boom going next one. So we didn't really stop to like eat eat until it was like nighttime. So You know, we we only had like we were there for six days, so we only had like like six dinners. The rest of it is you just grab one of those sandwiches on the carts and just keep it moving. McDonald's. Fuck that. I don't even eat McDonald's here. Although we told you there. Although we did go into when we first got there. So when we first got there, there was that ⁓ there was that bombing like two days before. ⁓ shit. So it was like super tight security. And ⁓ we went by was that the Champs d'Elise or that whole like fashion walkway. Strip. Yeah. I guess it's the strip, you know, whatever. And ⁓ so I had to I had to pee first. So I like, all let me just go into a McDonald's, walk into the bed. And I walk into the McDonald's and it's night and day from everything here. Like they have like an actual bakery. And they're like I'm like, what the fuck? And this is so I I maybe go into McDonald's once a year. And ⁓ this was I wanna say it was like twenty fifteen maybe. Twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, something like that. And they already had the the the screens that you ordered. Yeah, the touchpads that you order from. So I was like, I don't know, maybe I wanna do I wanna get a croissant from McDonald's? But then it was like there was like armed guards walking around everywhere. So it was kinda like let's just get our shit and go just to ⁓ just to be safe because I kinda stick out. And ⁓ but yeah, anyway. So we got we get to to dinner in the Eifle Tower. And ⁓ so nobody kind of told me about like their wording. And I didn't know like if you wanted beef, like cow beef, you had to order beef. And steak is horse meat. I didn't know that. So I got steak. And I I'm I'm chewing, I'm like, yeah, it's a little tough, a little gamey. I was it's fucking nasty. So I I don't like it. And then ⁓ when we came back here, somebody's like, ⁓ what'd you get? So I I told them what I got from there. And then ⁓ they were like, and then they told me the whole 'cause they're French. So they told me the whole thing and I'm like, So basically I eat Mr. Ed. He's like, Yeah. He's like, You had Horse. Damn. So that Paris is off my list for good now. Their croissants though are all the good. ⁓ my god. The croissants were great. The bread was amazing. Yes. The the crepes were great. Yes. I did have a crepe. I did have one. I got crepes, so I mean, I don't I don't drink. So we went to Moulin Rouge. Okay. L I'm like last show. It was like eleven o'clock, ended at like one something. Like it was it was late. And you've been there or no? I've been to Paris. I was there last year. No, I didn't go to Muah. No, I didn't go to Muan. So they they serve like wine or champagne? Okay. That's it. And then like fruit and some other shit. If you if you order like the dinner package, you get some other shit, but so every table gets champagne. So I like, all right, fuck it, lady won't give me water. I I happen to drink, you know, ⁓ two gallons of water a day, so I'm always thirsty. So I'm sitting here drinking the champagne. And then by the time it's over, I get stand up, the whole fucking room is spinning. And I'm looking, I was like, what the fuck? So she had like one glass and I had the rest of it. Didn't realize it. And I'm like, I gotta find I gotta get back on the subway, figure out how to get us back to the hotel at like one thirty in Paris. And Moulin Rouge isn't in the it's in like a bad neighborhood in France. It's kinda deep. Yeah. Or Paris, wherever. But I th luckily the subways are pretty they're pretty they're a better than here. Yeah, they're a lot better than New York City. Well, I'm used to New York City, so it's easy. But I can see how somebody would get confused in New York City. But I I'm used to it now, so it's a little easy. But it was it was pretty simple to get back, but I just couldn't find like the subway entrance, which apparently was right across the street. So I'm fucking all over the place. I don't drink, so I couldn't get us like I'm fucking destroyed. They're talking in French. I'm like, I talk English. Help me. I I learned some words in ⁓ in France. Merci beaucoup. Merci beaucoup. So you know, I learned from traveling that, you know, mo if you at least try They're very nice. Most of the time they'll just kill it and speak English. Yeah. You know, is if you're trying, they'll stop and they'll be like, No, I don't want to hear him butcher this shit anymore. Let me just speak English. But I try, you know, so it's been like that. Yeah, mean they were welcome to me. Like I was French and they just started I was like, What? And like, do you speak French? No. And they just automatically switched to English. I mean, you could pass as French. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of us in in in France. Very easy to blend in there in that culture. But I think I did have Parisian, authentic Parisian food. I forgot the restaurant, but it was like the last night and I met with this couple. So went to a bar after. And then the subway was closed. It was a Sunday. It closes early. Like, yeah. So I walked two hours back to my hotel and I was telling people, they're like, bro, you walked in Paris by yourself. And I was like, is that a bad thing? And like, yeah, I wouldn't have advised that, but all the restaurants were still open. You could still see people out there drinking, having food, but the subways were closed for some reason. Yeah. And I don't have s I don't have service when I'm in Europe. So I just have the downloaded offline map and I'm just thugging it out the entire time. See that you know what's funny? We I got that trip that year was the year that I switched to from Verizon to T Mobile. Okay. Just 'cause we planned on from like twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, we did a lot of traveling like overseas. And t with T Mobile uses a different network that picks up on like you can get service in I think it like a hundred and something countries. So I was like, all right, fuck it. I was like, what's the worst that can happen? And We were able to use the GPS on our phones the entire time. We used it in like the Bahamas. We use it in St. Kitts, ⁓ St. Martin, ⁓ Iceland. Like I didn't even use their GPS in Iceland. I wound up using ⁓ Google Maps the whole time. Shut up. Flex? No, I mean it's I've been all these places ⁓ in the world connoisseur. Well, you travel every fucking week. I travel once a year. I don't travel that much. ⁓ I got what, another month until I'm back over in Scandinavia. But Yeah, so you Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. But anyway, I wish fucking Remy would have cooked for me instead of eating horse meat. Mine was good though. Whatever I had, it was really good. Remy's bugging, man. I don't know. I don't know. The bet the best thing I had there was the ⁓ was a chocolate croissant. And it was right downstairs from my hotel. See I didn't know because so I usually book with like Amex like through their hotel package. So, you know, they give you like a credit. So I think the first time I did it was when I was in Spain and they're like, All right, well we'll give you we'll give you a hundred dollar credit off of your bill as you check out. But I guess they changed it up. So they're like that a hundred dollars is only applied to in the hotel, like during out your stay. So I'm like leaving, I'm like, Hey, like, you know, thank you, blah, blah, blah. ⁓ Is the bill gonna come off? And like, no, you have to use that here. And I was like, ⁓ shit. And I'm on my way to the airport. So I just go downstairs to the bu ⁓ like the buffet. I just grab like four or five croissants, stuff it my bag, get to the airport, and I'm just drinking a beer. And I'm like, ⁓ okay. This like melted in your mouth. I was like, ⁓ this shit is insane. Yeah, their their baked goods are amazing. Yeah. I need to go. So what do you got? Number one ninety two, Brandon, what do you think? 'Cause I know I know Justin thinks it's disrespectful. Yeah, I think it's probably a little too it's too high. Too high. And I no, I'm I mean like I think it's it's it's too low. I think it's also maybe placed there because when you're looking at the other movies that are in the top two fifty, it's going in comparison to movies that have been around for a lot longer. So I'm assuming that people who are rating this movie have not properly watched it in respect to the other films that are there. So I'm gonna say out of what we've I mean, we don't know what kind of order we're gonna put this out in yet, right? Because we're still gonna roll the dice on the order. But from what we've watched so far, I think aside from I mean, I like Grapes of Wrath and I liked ⁓ I think this is probably on par with them. I think it's definitely better than Toy Story three. ⁓ And I love Toy Story Three. It's way better. No, that's not a question. No, way better. Way better, way better. Th I I I might go out of limb and say this is probably my favorite Pixar movie. ⁓ I gotta watch it again. I gotta watch it again. I gotta watch it again, but the met you know what it is too? I know, I know Brandon's gonna be happy about this. This one really like it touched me. It hit home. ⁓ shit. It hit home. You're you're so you're rank you're ranking this over towards story one. Cause Toy Story One is also a Pixar. Yeah, I would I would rate it over Toy Story One. Personally. Personally. Wait. I mean, I have a bias with toy story once, so that that might just be me. But Ooh, for they're like I don't know. They're right there for So let So Justin, why why is it one of your favorites? So I wanna I wanna hear that first before I go into mine. Well, back when I first watched it, ⁓ It was like I was like a rat being a chef I was like hmm and then I remember watching the movie and then seeing like how how how they kind of really personified and really showed like the rats feelings like ⁓ and I'm sa and I'm saying this as like from not Not naming not naming him, nothing. Just seem like for what it is. Just like you have a mouse or a rat that you know, you kinda like really empathize I was really empathizing with him by the movie and I was like, damn, dude. ⁓ especially 'cause like him being hidden under the hat the entire time. I'm like, yo, let him out, bro. Like they got they'll understand. ⁓ as crazy as it sounded. So it was like, I don't know, it was just a ri it just it was way more enjoyable to me than like any other animation movie I've seen at the time. Other than Toy Story. The first that first Toy Story was it was my favorite, but especially 'cause like how they were messing with Sid. ⁓ but yeah, Ratitwe was a really, really good movie. Just how I was able to feel real feelings towards a rat, I was like, yo. I was like, damn, this is crazy. From that from that perspective. ⁓ Yeah, it was really emotional. It was just they touched on they touched they touched on emotion really well. I don't know, man. I never felt so empathetic for ⁓ a rat ever in my life. Ben? Master Splinter? I don't know, man. ⁓ in 1990, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, when he got kidnapped and he's hanging from the two of us. No more. I got I got more love. Ben. I got more love for the Jackson, Michael Jackson. I got more love for Remy, man. I'm sorry. Master Splinter, he's been he's hanging, Master Splinter is hanging there, getting tortured. Yeah, Shrider used to give me nightmares. All right. So why why don't you think it's ⁓ Pixar's best? I mean also I haven't seen most of Pixar's movies. I think outside Yeah. I mean, again, anime, more serious dialogue and subject matter. So I think outside of probably two thousand and seven, I pretty much anything that Disney has made outside of Marvel and maybe the comics sometimes I haven't been a fan to go watch. I w I wouldn't consider Pixar Disney. I I know it's you know Disney bought them out and they you know they own them and everything, same thing. But I wouldn't consider them like they do s they do completely different movies. So would you consider Marvel separate from Disney? No, because Star Wars separate from Disney? I never watched Star Wars, so I I can't speak on that. But it's a big difference. I don't think Marvel is much different than regular Disney movies because everything is surface value in Marvel. And they They have like that fake deep to it where all of Pixar's movie I think I've seen most of them. I don't know why Rat Tattooe escaped me for so long. I love cooking. I also don't know Really? Yeah, love to cook. So I don't know why Rat ⁓ Rat Tattooey kind of escaped me. But that's a whole different subject of ⁓ I do I did l I did really enjoy how the rat was you know, cooking is such an intimate thing. So you really want to take your time and there's a lot of love when you're in the kitchen. And I talk to people and they say, ⁓ I hate cooking, which is kind of weird for me because I don't like cooking for myself per se, but I love to cook for other people. And there's something about being in there, getting the ingredients, like taking your time. To me, it kinda also feels like therapy. And that's what Remy was actually doing the entire time when he was in. the kitchen smelling everything and like, you know, this portion, do this, do that, the the chopping, the dicing when he's pulling the hair. Everything has got to be so kind of calculated to where you're not overdoing and underdoing it. And you know, soup, ⁓ it needs more. You know exactly sprinkle a little bit more. All right, we're just gonna keep on playing with it until we get it right. The same thing I think also with filmmakers, editors. I mean, we end up making great products by just Being in our own kitchen, I guess, metaphorically and just throwing shit together is like, ⁓ fuck, how did I come up with that? It's amazing. Yeah. So you like cooking I hate cooking for other people. I like cooking for myself. I love cooking for other people. I don't like cooking for myself. Nah, because people never tell you the truth. No, they're gonna tell me. Mm. Nah, they they they sugar, you know. So you can't get better if you don't know the truth. Nah, but you can kinda tell if they're eating their What you cooked before you finish yours. Yeah. But you can they're they're not gonna give you the hard like, ⁓ you know, it needs it it needed a little more, you know, need a little more pepper or need a little more this, that. They're not gonna give you those details. Where you Which I'm not offended by. No, I mean I'm not offended either. I don't care, but nobody's ever gonna give you those correct details. Like if they're if you're inviting somebody over to your house for food, they're not gonna give you those details. They're gonna be like, ⁓ it was good, you know, maybe it was a little too spicy, it was a little too dry, it was a little they're not gonna, you know. So how you know, you you can't improve if you don't get the feedback. So that's why I like that's why I like cooking for myself because then I I could I know if I fucked it up, I still gotta eat it. But swallow it. You know. Ho, ho. Yeah. Ho That's what I was saying. Mr. Ego. ⁓ my God. No, I'm saying if like you know, because I do meal prep, because I usually do meal prep. So I pretty much eat the same things. I eat the chicken, breasts, the potatoes, the broccoli. And to save time I started putting broccoli in the air fryer and I burnt the shit out of the air ⁓ out of the broccoli a couple of days ago. So I'm just like, well, I'm just gonna have to swallow it. Just gonna have to eat it. I don't want you're just gonna have to eat it. Just with water. Like a pill? No, it's like r it's like too crunchy. Where the tips are all black. And I know some people like broccoli like that, but I don't I I don't say sometimes, you know, I used to swallow food when I was a kid. My mom used to sp make me sit there and you're gonna eat this. I'm like, I'm not eating this. So I'll just be at the kitchen for sometimes like six hours. Just like nah, I'm like, I'm not eating this. Yeah, I remember my cousin did that one time. I was like, Yo, just damn pizza, bro. 'Cause he didn't like pepperoni. I was like I was like, yo just I was like, just take it off of the damn slice, man. And he's over here crying, I don't want it. I'm like Damn. You know what would happen if I said I didn't like something? They would just pull it up. All right, go you ain't getting dinner. No, all right, fine, I'll I'll go to bed. I don't give a fuck. I'm fasting. You know what I mean? You know how many times I had sleep for dinner? I don't care. Builds character. If I was a piggy kid and I and I would and I knew about fasting, that would be my rebuttal. Like I'm fasting anyways. Hey, Jesus did it. I can do it too. Allegedly. Imagine you can't ⁓ pass. ⁓ so who's your favorite character in the movie? 'Cause there was lot of I I that's my only gripe with the movie is there was a lot of underused characters that probably would have been really, really interesting for a little more. ⁓ so who's your favorite characters? Remy was definitely the most honest and authentic until at the very end when tell Homeboy he was just saying, ⁓ you don't care about me, so I'm letting my whole crew of people come in here and just raid the kitchen I like Homegirl too, you know, that they end up, you know, getting together. Yeah. See, I I think I think she was underused. So I I I think they definitely could have did a little more with her. What was her name? ⁓ Colleen? Colette? Colette. I think they don't sound French. They definitely could and then see that was another that was another gripe. They're in France and they're all speaking English. Like I I would prefer not to read subtitles, obviously, but ⁓ they all spoke English. I I found that weird that they didn't I mean they spoke French here and there, but they didn't really ⁓ speak French in the kitchen, which was a little weird. ⁓ yeah, I think Remy was definitely the character. I also thought they could have did a little more with ⁓ the villain. Well, the quote unquote antagonist, I guess if you wanna call it that. Alfredo? ⁓ no, Anton. Anton ego. ⁓ even though Skinner was really like the protagonist. And I hate how they did him, you know, as a fellow short person, I hate how they did Skinner. They made him have that Napoleon complex. I'm looking at the character overview and they called him the Grim Eater. The Grim Eater? Also I'm just kinda thinking, ⁓ how is homeboy's mom not telling him like, hey, by the way, this is your dad? Yeah, that was that was kind of foul, man. It's never that's never a good thing. Honesty is always the best policy. ⁓ you know, they're they're French. What w what does that mean? The lato face. No, ⁓ I One thing about French people, the Parisians, is they do not put up with BS. You see what happens when they go on strike, they start shutting shit down in Paris, like immediately. Yeah, let me stop before I go over there and I spit on my food. Because So what did you guys pick up on any what hidden meanings did you pick up on for Rat Tazui? Patience. Patience was and can any can anyone cook? I can I can cook. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think, oof. Well, I'm I'm not gonna get on soapbox right here, but there are a lot of people in the younger generations, at least in New York, from what I've I've I've talked to, they don't cook. ⁓ Uber Eats, Grabhub. I don't cook. I don't want to cook. ⁓ I don't know how to cook. It's like anyone can learn how to cook. You just have to have patience. I mean, it's not that hard to like learn how to season chicken. Like it's really not. You just put huh? Not at all. Not at all. Yeah. But people are like, ⁓ I don't know how to cook. I I don't want to try. I'm like, ⁓ you know, we're losing a lot of recipes. That's all I'm gonna say. Unfortunately, I blame my generation and your generation for these fucking kids that do nothing but Uber Eats. Wait, wh why why our generations? 'Cause we should have taught them how to cook. But we don't have k I don't have kids. You don't have kids. No, the generation in general. We gotta blame the elite because your generation your generation couldn't teach because y'all were too busy working, trying to pay these damn bills and complying to ⁓ capitalism. So my mom, she cooked every she cooked at least on Sundays. I mean, she works you know, she worked ⁓ nine to five jobs. So sometimes, you know, she gets home at like what seven o'clock and, you know, we're having like frozen fish steaks or fries. But Sundays, she's definitely cooking. Stew beef, ⁓ chick like chicken, macaroni cheese, cornbread, like we're actually throwing down. And that's one of the reasons why I love going home so much is because if I go home I know I'm getting Home cooked meals and it's very far and few between that I go to friends' houses up here where they're actually cooking food. Just see DoorDash bag, man. I'm like Unless they're Italian, right? See what I did? I I cook every night. I also meal prep every weekend. I don't I don't think I've I mean we'll go out like for lunch or dinner, like maybe once every couple weeks or something. Like it's not it's not it's not a big thing. Like we would both rather cook because we're we eat complete opposite stuff. So like I'll I'll take it as spicy as you can give it to me. And sh she can't take black pepper. So it's You know, we're we're it's kinda night and day. But like I so I've learned how to cook the same dish two different ways and and split it. But I was also cooking since I was six. So I you know, my mom had to work, so you know, like I cook learned how to cook pasta, then she taught me how cook eggs. You know, just basic stuff. So like, you know, when I'm home alone and then you know 'Cause back then, you know, you were you didn't didn't have a babysitter, you babysat yourself. Don't open that door for no one. Yeah. Don't open the door. Make sure you're home by ⁓ dark. Call. And there's ⁓ nah, we didn't have cell phones. No, you know the the the phone that's on the the like the landline. Nah I had to do that. You couldn't call my mom at work, she'd get in trouble. I had to call her and be like, Hey, I'm home. No. It was ⁓ if I'm home when she's home, good. I'll be asleep. But it was ⁓ you know, and then it was As you get older, then I kind of was interested in cooking. So I would, you know, cause she would usually cook before, cause sometimes she would work two jobs. So sometimes she would cook in the morning and just leave it in the fridge and just be like, all right, just heat it up. And we didn't have a microwave. So you had to put everything in the oven or the stove or the toaster oven. So it was all that. And you kind of learn how to do that. Nobody wants to to do that. I d I don't understand. Like and you know what e what even more pisses me off, if you're not gonna cook, go get the food yourself. That fucking DoorDash and Uber Eats. Like I've seen people like there there's people I know, they have like three four hundred dollar Uber Eats bills like per per week, per two weeks. And I'm like, you live half a mile from the fucking From the pizza place, or you live a mile from McDonald. Whatever you're ordering, you're close. Then you gotta put pants on, then you gotta get in the car, then you gotta start the ignition. God forbid you need to move your body. ⁓ Yeah. You fat fuck. God forbid. ⁓ I've never ever had Uber Eats in my life. Or get a credit. Or DoorDash. It's more extreme. I get credit from both them, so 'cause Yeah, right. It's fees and then they up the price. Yeah. Because depends. If you if you put the same prices that you do on your restaurant as you do on DoorDash, you're gonna lose money. You're always gonna be on a negative on each order. Cause DoorDash always takes a piece. So they always bump like if something is fifteen dollars, it's probably gonna be like nineteen, twenty bucks. Minus a ten if you get a credit. You know, so DoorDash could take a piece of that three to five dollars. That's for them, and then they still get their original you know, they're they're asking for fifteen dollars for their plate. So they they'll get their fifteen, they'll upcharge whatever DoorDash is gonna take. So you save money by just by just walking or just going somewhere. Yeah. The shit adds up. Yeah. But at but also at this point, sometimes not necessarily doing like Uber Eats or Grubhub or whatever with how expensive prices are, especially if you're eating like clean and healthy, it's almost the same thing now if you're eating out. No way. Depends. No way. 'Cause it so yeah, right, if you you go to Costco, right? So I just went to Costco today. Where's there a Costco in the city? Outside of Queens? Go to Queens. Take an over. There's got to be there's something. Isn't there there's no BJs or no Casco in the city anywhere? No. No. There's gotta be whole some kind of wholesale. The only thing that we have is like Whole Foods. That's probably Whole Foods and Trader Joe's. There's stopping shops, there's King Collins, there's Met Foods, there's every kind of thing. Where where all these Queens names that you're dropping right now? They're they're all over the city. All right. Maybe there's not a big ass Costco or anything, but although I'm pretty sure there's gotta be a Costco in the city somewhere. So I do bulk shopping at ⁓ Trader Joe's because I like the meats, like the chicken breasts, like the really thin, and then I'll get salmon for what, like a month? I think that's maybe seventy bucks right there. See, now here's the thing, right? So here's here's the thing that this is gonna turn into a the we're completely going off topic. But so for like for chicken, right? Let's say you were to buy a pack of chicken, right? So thin sliced chicken cutlets are gonna be six or seven ninety nine a pound, right? Where you get the not thin sliced, you know, you get they're boneless, obviously, but they still have the skin on ⁓ and they're the big thick chickens are three ninety nine a pound. You take you get two, three, four packages of those bigger. They weigh more, they're bigger. Cut them in half, pound them out. Pound the meat. Pound the meat. I mean, that's how you that's how you're supposed to make chicken colors anyway. You're supposed to pound it out anyway. Okay. So even the even the thin slice, you're supposed to pound them out a little bit, even them out. Bam. But now you have so if you're eating one thin slice, now you have You slice out that fat chick and now you got double and it's cheaper. See, people just gotta learn you gotta learn how to like shop and do things and make shit cheaper. But like for as I was saying, Costco, I spent Three hundred dollars and it's pr it's probably Three months worth of food? Difference might be, I mean difference between driving in the car and then you know you're on the bike and you're trying to balance the bag, making sure the bag doesn't tip over. Take an Uber. You don't get bags. What? You don't get bags at Costco. No. Nah, Costco doesn't give you bags. See, I I always look at opportunity costs. I look at the time you're spending because you can't get that back. So you gotta quantify in. You you can't do that. You can't do that. Because you gotta eat Yeah, you do. Nah, nah. You can't it that doesn't play into it when you're talking about there's a Whole Foods. There's a Whole Foods, it's a it's a two minute walk for me. So why would I go all the way to Queens when I can save the time and just get that here? Cause I'm now I'm cost now I'm s I'm doing more time and money to go further out versus just saving on the time. So it tomorrow I want you to average it out. So let's say it costs you Nah, there's gotta be a Costco in Brooklyn. 100%. There's gotta be a Costco closer to you. But let's say Probably. Somewhere like that. Go Costco. $250, let's say, lasts you three months, cost you fifty dollars round trip on on Uber, right? So that's a hundred dollars. That's three hundred dollars. How many times is it gonna take you to go to Whole Foods? You gotta go every week. Every ten days? Well, it depends on what I'm getting. All right. So every ten days you're spending Whatever. Sixty bucks, seventy-five bucks? No, maybe like twenty, maybe ten. What the fuck are you eating for ten bucks? I just get like You're eating cracker and a piece of cheese? No, I'll get like I like fresh fruit. Like when I go get my kale, I get my watermelon, I get my pineapple, like I get stuff when I'm doing juicing, stuff that I need to cook like right away. I get my potatoes, my sweet potatoes, but we're talking about stuff like really quickly. F for the week, right? Food for the Trader Joe's. All right, so so so now you gotta go to two places, right? Now so that's twenty bucks there, sixty bucks right next to other. Right next to each other. I'm just saying it's it's another trip, right? I'm on my bike, so I'm already I already have to pass this place to come back. So I'm like I'm actually saving time by doing that. You're doing the same exact amount of time and money by going once to Costco and then coming back. So now you don't have to go again for three months. But it's easier for me to do that because it's also right next to the gym. So it's like you leave the gym and then go there on the way home. I have to pass it anyways. Nah, that's the worst. You can't you can't go you can't go s ⁓ shopping after the gym. You're hungry. It's six eight in the morning. It's eight in the morning. You're hungry. ⁓ it doesn't matter. And then you fucking starve. You you got you gotta. What I'm hearing right now is like Pat telling you to just get an FX3. It's like, yo, just get the FX3, bro. No, don't get worse. You're like, no, I like my black magic. I I like how it is. I would never tell him to get the FX three. I would never recommend that's my worst enemy. Whoa. ⁓ Sorry, So you think that anyone so you think that anyone actually took from this movie, hey, maybe I should like try to learn how to cook? I think if I know there's got to be a a certain amount of people that actually took that. I think if you catch the right kid who was a little probably on the little older a little on the older side who watched it, I think they probably would attempt to it. But I I guess it depend it everything depends on the person, right? So I I think it depends on the kid. Like I don't think it would I didn't even get cooking from it. Like I got something completely different from the movie. Well what'd you get? So I compared it more towards more about ⁓ art and recognition. ⁓ how so I mean I I obviously I can't say things, but it's like I've been ghostwriting for eighteen years. I'm just saying. So I I understand Remy's struggle. Where, you know, you're you're doing a lot of work that people are watching and like, wow, that's great. And you don't get a fucking thing. I mean, you get a little well, Remy was getting little pieces of food. He's getting grapes and cheese and whatever. And that's basically what they throw you as a ghostwriter. You're getting scraps compared to ⁓ what other people are getting. So it's kind of Like I understand that plight of it and that that's kind of what I took from it was that, you know, Linguini was the face of it. So he was able to take the credit and move in a different lane than Remy wasn't allowed to. Yeah. So it's also like, you know, a lot of times even with singing, like sometimes, you know, those who don't have a specific look wind up being ghostwriters. wind up doing songwriting instead of being out in the pu you know, the face of something because they're not gonna sell because they don't look a certain way. Even though they're more talented than ninety five percent of the people that they're writing for, or that they're singing and then, you know, reference tracks. Like, ⁓ who do you guys who do you kids like nowadays? Drake? Drake is Quit Quentin Miller. Did the did the really he was a good ghostwriter. So so so like you have Jay Z giving reference tracks to J ⁓ Doctor Dre, there's Eminem, Fifty Cent, they're all giving reference tracks to Dr. Dre. Ludacris too. So it's like, you know, but I mean, those are people that are still in the public, but there's then there's one Jay then there's ones you don't hear about, like ⁓ the guy that did it for Drake. So you never really heard of him until that came about. And you know, you can see why. When he puts out his own music, it's not as good. Yeah, I had a friend tell me that there's this artist that we we know of that I'm familiar with and ⁓ he helped this like Billboard artist write, you know, one of their hit songs and I'm like And I'm like, be surprised who it is. Yeah, you know, and it's like and it's crazy 'cause we all knew he had that talent, but it's like, you know, why it's like, damn, dude, why why isn't like their face on a billboard right now? Or like, you know, the streaming going through the roof, you know, 'cause in my eyes, I was like, you know, they put in so much work that they kinda you know, they it's kinda like disappointing to not see the the fruits, you know, really being given to them. See and and th that's kind of what I took from the film was more on the artistic integrity side as opposed to like cooking and and then it was also like in the the inner struggle that a lot of creative people have, you know, where he's trying to f he's trying to find himself and not in the you know ⁓ I'm gonna go I'm gonna go hoe around for forty five years, kinda find yourself. Like the real Whoa. Yeah, you know, you know. That's that's a that's a little you know That's a part of finding yourself too, right? Yeah, to a limit. You can't keep finding yourself for forty years. You gotta eventually then you're just lost. There is ⁓ you're just lost at that point. There's a lot of lost souls out there then. There is. ⁓ But like, you know, he had to kind of he find himself. Like even towards like towards his end monologue, like, I'm not really a rat, you know, I'm you know, I'm I'm I What do they call that? ⁓ imposter syndrome, a lot of like inner artistic battles that people go through that, you know, whether it's an artist, a chef, you know, because high end chefs like that are artists. ⁓ you know, I I I kind of That's where I went with it. And I think that's why it kind of hit you. Hit a different chord than than a lot of different attempts at that. Cause it was so subtle, which I think was perfectly done. Because I hate like I s like I always say, I hate when it's like slammed in your face. Like I wanna be able to take from it. Like you everyb all three of us got something different from this movie. So, you know, that that's something that ⁓ I always want when I see movies. I w I wanna be able to talk to four or five different people and three or four of ⁓ had a completely different view on it. Do you do you feel that way? ⁓ with yourself being in that position where you've worked on so many films that obviously due to NDAs you can't speak on that do you feel like you would want to get that recognition or are you sometimes okay being In the background. So back back when I started it, I I did it because I needed the money. You know, I didn't really care about recognition at that point. And as you know, as time goes on, you kinda want to build your own career. And then when, you know, you go back and like, hey, you know, you do this for us, you know, obviously we're gonna give you the money, but you know, we'll owe you a favor, and then you go back to cash in those favors and it's like, No. ⁓ yeah, no. We're we're we're not ready to ⁓ to move forward with that just yet, kind of thing. And you know, it's because you won't do that kind of work anymore, you know, they have no more use for you. Because, you know, their guys can't be prop. So it's pretty ⁓ obviously I can't you know, I'm not I won't even sniff at it, you know, while we're recording, but and I can't tell you guys off the air anyway, but I can kind of hint and you can kind of make your own ⁓ make your own assumptions. But I I recently looked at the two fifty and there's one of them on the two fifty. Ooh. Okay. So yeah. Let's let's well let's ⁓ Justin, let's sort it by year so we can start to narrow it down. Nah, you'll you'll never you'll never Well it's definitely not Joker, so we can definitely not joke out of there. But ⁓ that But yeah, it's more ⁓ that that's kind of where I got with it. And like I asked a couple of people, like I went to like the film like the film group chat we had, like the director's group chat we have going on and Everybody's like, You never seen Rat Tattooey? I was like, No. So I you know, we were just going back and forth today and I was like, you know, this is what I got from it and only one other direct there's like maybe eleven directors in that group chat. And only one other director got the whole artist thing. So it was kind of like, you know, everybody else got more of a ⁓ more of like a personal demons kind of ⁓ personal demons kind of movie. Which I I ⁓ I also get. Like you could see that through it, you know, especially with ⁓ you know, even even Lingwini was suffering from that. Collette even to a point when she was you know, when Linguini started getting the attention, she started, you know, she started like doubting herself and in that way. Yeah. So I think ⁓ I'm t I think this might I I don't even think I need to watch it a second time to say this would be the my favorite Pixar film. It's I mean even Remy was obviously he was conflicted with wanting to appease his family and his community, but then he also felt like he wasn't doing enough if he stayed there because what, his dad was just gonna make him poison chat a sniffer. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, all right, this is not fulfilling. I'm not actually really living life. But then also I kinda wanna go on, but then I also don't want to leave them behind. So I'm kind of conflicted. And then, you know, his brother starts having people roll like 30 deep. Like, hey, we want some food. I was like, yo, like, yo, I told you not to say anything. And they all of a they just start coming and coming and coming and coming. It's like, yo, bro, what? That's also family, especially when you start getting a little success, right? People start coming, you know, little by little. Like, hey, you know, let me ⁓ not even yeah. I mean, obviously, yes, but more so like, hey, you know, ⁓ can you do this for me? Can you do that for like, you know, you start getting all that too. So, you know, there's a lot of things that you can equate to a lot of different That's why I think everything in this film could be equated to some kind of artistry. And even I guess even to piggyback on that a little bit, i it's oftentimes I think I was something I was reading yesterday, but it was also talking about like how someone asked, How is it that artists always have to kind of deviate from their family sometimes? And it's you can use this as an example that Remy was there and he was an artist and he was just talking about the the foods, the smells, this used rosemary, is this used this type of cheese. And his family was just like, ⁓ it's just food to me. But sometimes if you're having ⁓ discussions with family or friends about like, hey, like I'm into this, the crap, and you start getting technical with it, there's like, okay, I don't really care about that. I just wanna see the end result. So then when you're kind of trying to explain to them why you love to do it and you get passionate, then it there's like a there's like a miss. There's a miss in terms of them trying to understand it. They're just like, I just wanna get the end result, the end product. But then on the artist side, I think one of the things that you can't rush is like you have to be in love with the ups and downs, the highs and the lows. Like you have to be in love with all that to be like really, I think, successful. Because you can't you can't skip being a a good D P or a director or a writer. You have to kind of go through that struggle before you start to find your voice and really start to find what makes your voice authentic out of everyone else. Yeah, you might never find it, but you know, it's that journey of continuously making stuff. Trial and error, right? Same as same as cooking a dish. Like, ⁓ I fucked up, I put too much salt. Or like Rat ⁓ Linguini when he fucked with the soup in the originally. And then Remy was like, No, no, no, don't send it out, don't send it out. And then he fixed it. You know, so there's a whole lot of that shit in this film, which I really I really enjoyed. To put too much salt in it, just put water on it. But put some water put some water on that shit. We ain't got no milk. I hate I hate salt. Not even sea salt, like a just a little bit of a t a tiny bit. Like a salt of steak. I won't like add much to. Like I'll put a little bit on like a salt on steak, like flaky salt on steak. But I I try not to to cook with it. Like I'll I'll add it to water and drink, you know, ⁓ there's like a like an electrolyte kind of thing. Mm-hmm in the summer. But ⁓ I try not to take too much salt because I I hold water very easily. So creatine. Always take creatine, so I'm I'm already I'm already fucking bloated as it is. Adding extra salt. I'm gonna go walking around like that. Yeah man. I d There's so there's so much that you can like dissect with this film. If if we were like a you know, like a deep dive type of podcast, this shit would have been like two hours. Yeah, there's a lot, man. Because ev every scene there's just something and even the animation, it like it made Paris feel like Paris. Like it wasn't like animation that takes place in New York City, you know, it never really has that New York feel to it. Yeah. Where, you know, when they were in the ⁓ fuck, what's the river that runs through the scene? I think so. So when very violent history. When ⁓ like when ⁓ Remy was when Skinner was chasing Remy with the the paperwork and then they they jump into the scene. Like if you went down there and you took like that little boat tour or If you went down there and you walk through, you know, just next to the river, it felt like that. Like it looked like that, it felt like that. And like when he jumps in and he looks over and like you see those bridges over it, it actually looks and feels like you're you're in the water with him because that's actually how it looks. So, you know, I think they did really well with that. I I don't think I have like a hot take either. Like I I I'm not sure. I think I think my hot take is they should not make the second one. There was a part two? No, they're they're in developments to make a part two. Yeah, I don't know. Actually my hot take I th I think this is gonna end up In our fifty and up. Through our regrades, I think it's gonna I think it's gonna hit fifty. I don't thought ⁓ that that's that's a pretty hot take. I think so. It's like a simmer take. I would I wouldn't be too surprised. Especially for the artists. Yeah, I like I I know my scorecard and it's definitely the highest scorecard so far. I haven't I haven't seen either of your scorecards yet, but ⁓ and I'm I'm I I guess one of my thoughts is I like I obviously know that we won't be able to get that information, but 'cause Ratatui came out in what, twenty eleven? Two thousand seven. Two thousand seven. Right seven or was it hold on. I think I said that. Yeah, two thousand seven. So I'm assuming this was around the time where the animation artists had like the time to actually develop these stories with animation because it takes a lot it takes a long time. And we've spoken numerous times on this podcast about how lately with these, you know, these these production studios, these companies, they've been rushing the artists to where they're still mixing, they're still editing. like a week before the movie comes out, you know, they're putting the finishing touches. So I also wonder if like this it's outside. ⁓ so I wonder like if this is also equivalent to them being able to actually really flush out and take the time. Cause I believe I kind of did a deep dive, but I think this movie started in development in I think like the late nineties. So it it it took a while for them to actually come to make this this this this film. ⁓ so I just I guess that was when Pixar was still good before they started just rushing shit out and the quality has been kind of shown. Well, I mean, they really only had like maybe like a six year or five year kind of miss. So once once Soul came out, it started getting a little better and better and better. ⁓ but I think from like what, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen to twenty when did Soul come out? Twenty three, twenty two? ⁓ but also you gotta think, man, Brad Bird doesn't really miss often. So I think right, he did Iron Giant, he did the Incredibles, ⁓ Haven't seen that. Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, ⁓ I I don't I don't think I I was did he do Tomorrowland? I think he might have did Tomorrowland also. Yeah. Which I I didn't I didn't really care for, but ⁓ Jurassic he did Jurassic World. Did he? He directed Jurassic World? I don't remember him directing Jurassic World. The twenty fifteen one. With Chris Pratt. I I don't remember that. I didn't know that. I mean the first one? Was that the first one or the The first one of the last trilogy before the one with ⁓ Scarlet. Was that wasn't the one with the two ⁓ the two kids in it, right? Yeah. ⁓ I don't think I like that one then. But they would in the ball and then it was that one? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if I like that one. But like, you know, the Iron Giant was great. Incredibles was great. You know, so He's a So it says development began in ⁓ development began in 2000. So it took a good seven before it actually came to fruition. But you figure it also had a hundred and sixty something million dollar budget and it didn't really have any like superstars in it. No, they had ⁓ the the dude, Lou Romano. He's a star. It's not like a you know, he's not he's not demanding a crazy salary. He did ⁓ Fresh Prince of Bel Air, that episode. You know, that kind of took his career sky high. So where'd that hundred and fifty that hundred and fifty three million? Production. A hundred and thirty of it had to go to production. Yeah. Marketing, probably too. You gotta you gotta factor that I'm not No, no, no. No, that was a hundred and something ⁓ separate production budget. Yeah, they never list marketing budgets. You gotta you gotta go to that other site to find them. ⁓ you know, so Patton Oswald, you know, he's a really big really big actor. But he's not like, you know, a high rank where he's gonna be be requesting, you know, eight million to do the voice of, you know, Remy. So let's say he cost one point five. He's probably the highest paid on the on the film. But I could have sworn there like the guy from Cheers, Cliff from Cheers. I think I heard his voice in there. Yeah, that's that's way over your your guy's age bracket. But Like his I heard his voice in there. Like I I recognized a lot of voices in there. So but like small roles, nothing crazy. Yeah, I'm looking at this this list. Half these people I've never seen any of their work at all, ever. ⁓ who was who else was in there? Yeah, I I heard Jareen Janinga Raffalo's voice. ⁓ Brad Brad Garrett. Brad Garrett, that's from the guy from Everybody Loves Raymond. Yeah. Never seen that show in my life. The dark the deep voice? No, I never seen that show in my life. You should watch Everybody Loves Raymond. It's a good show. Where the fuck would I where the fuck would I watch that? It's on TV, man. The fucking reruns? Are you crazy? Nah. Man. Hard pass on that. I don't I don't trust any of your recommendations after you gave me that crap ⁓ hangover. I'm not even ever since then I'm just like I don't trust anything that you're you're giving to me as good. So who else did I hear? I pretty sure I heard Will Arnett. ⁓ ⁓ I wanna say maybe Brian Denehee was in there somewhere. I think I might have heard his voice. Yeah, that that was ⁓ Django. There was a character named Django? Yeah. Huh. Yeah, no no. I don't I mean all the rats kind of look very similar in there. So I couldn't really tell. ⁓ no, one was Remy was small and his brother was big. Mm. His brother had been eating pretty good, I could tell you that. Because he was eating wrappers. He wasn't eating anything. Legit, right? Yeah I mean. I don't know. I mean, there's really I can't I mean, obviously without going into like a super deep dive on every little scene in detail, there's not really much to talk about. I mean, I I thought the movie was as close to as perfect as animation can get. I guess for the time, right? Because I thought the message was great. I thought it wasn't, you know, it wasn't so out there where, you know, you couldn't pick up something different than the next person, obviously, because all three of us had something different from it. ⁓ yeah, I the only negative I would say would be that I don't think they used the supporting characters. The supporting characters, aside from like Skinner, who technically should have been the protagonist because, you know, he was evil, obviously. And Anton wasn't really evil. He was just more which his his end monologue about the critics too was great. I don't know why they didn't go behind more why Skinner was the way he was. They didn't kind of really allude to that. Well, I think they did. It was that he was taking over for Gusteau. And he made those fucking burritos, he made the you know, the barbecue sauce. Franch franchised everything. The franchise everything and he was he was about the money. Yeah. You know, so you know, when you're about that money, you're you know, you're wound so tight you don't see the you know, the other side of it. So Which which which I've I mean, I haven't met too many chefs, but I I've I've been told that chefs are not like the nicest people. No. I I've known a couple and they're not I mean, they weren't really like, you know, obviously like this guy would be like a Michelin star chef in real life kind of thing. Like I've never been around like those type of chefs. Actually, I don't know if that I gotta think about that one. Because there there's one guy I'm not sure if he's like a starred chef or not, but But he given like Gordon Ramsey vibes? He's a no, he was a he was an okay guy. Like I I could see him being a dick, but like every time I saw him, he was okay. So I I don't know. Like if it was outside of, you know, the you know, the workplace where he was okay. Where it was just inside the kitchen, he was an asshole. You know, and that I don't know. But I know a lot of those don't really tolerate ⁓ they don't really tolerate mistakes, bro. They they want everyone around them to be like as robotic and as perfect as possible. And I feel like the ones that you don't like outside of when they're in the workplace, like if they're still assholes, ⁓ I feel like they take that principle and they bring it with them wherever they go. When it's like, yo, bro, there's no one waiting for a three hundred dollar meal right now, bro. Relax. Okay. We can we can fix this with time. Like we don't have to we don't have to rush another order and and worry about this lady comp like it's you know Yeah, I guess we're not we're not in the kitchen right now, dude. Fuck who's that's 'cause I can imagine that being a ton of sh stress and if you're in that kitchen, that's not one of those jaws to where you can kinda have a day like a off day 'cause like you're preparing food. Yeah, you gotta you undercook it. Someone gets sick. ⁓ this is a five star restaurant. Give me food poisoning. Shut that shit down. Yeah. Especially nowadays, too, because I think the critic point actually really hit home more nowadays than it did back then. Because back then, you know, everything was, you know, critics were looked at a little differently. Now these influencers, they're They're fucking joke, to be honest. Like Yeah, bro. I I know a couple of popular food influencers from New York. They don't cook. So like even in the movie when even in the movie when Ant the guy Anton was like, ⁓ critics sh ⁓ you know, they should cook or you know, I don't remember exactly what he his dialogue, ⁓ his monologue was at the end, but I remember the point of it. And that's exactly how these fucking influences are. Like they don't cook. They don't like how are you gonna, you know, tell somebody that's doing it that's pretty po you know, that they're right they're successful restaurant and everything that ⁓ there's a little too much ⁓ I don't know, oregano in your sauce when you know, you've never made a sauce. So even if you're not playing, so like even with like here, right? We critique everybody's work. But you can go on all three of our YouTubes and critique. We all have work up that you can critique. So it's kind of like, you know, open to it, man. The more we the more the merrier I can make such That shit garbage. Yeah. Okay. I'd rather you I'd rather you explain to it why it's garbage. I can look back and be like, okay, that was garbage. Let me fix it. That's the thing. The the criticism for today's world is destructive criticism, not constructive criticism. So they w these people are so miserable in real life that, you know, all right. You know. It is what it is, man. Listen, they it is what it is. Because you know, they they strive on that negative just the whole negative personality because they get no attention in real life. They get no damn, this shit's gonna go But it is what it is, right? So they they don't get that attention. They don't get, you know, I mean, everybody's life now, these people are all online. And so they need to feel seen. They need they need to feel heard and they you know what? you make a positive comment about somebody on another on a video that has maybe sixty, seventy comments, yeah, you know what? Maybe the guy who put up the video, girl who put up the video, is not gonna comment on something positive. They'll just give you a, you know, like a thumbs up or whatever. But you say something negative about them and you know what? You're gonna get a response from it. Most likely. So now they feel seen. Now they feel heard. They feel like, you know, maybe I'm not this miserable fucking prick. So it's you know. Like they critics don't know how to critique anymore. And that that's a that's a problem across every kind of thing because like when you like ⁓ I remember I've I've gotten a ton of bad reviews on my films and you know, you know which ones to take personal because and then you know which ones are about like constructive because anybody that says, Well, I would have done this different, you do not take seriously. That short ball guy doesn't know he's like what? Yeah, that's no no no see short ball guy, perfectly fine. You know, you if I was an actor, you know, perfectly fine. You as a director. Yeah, that doesn't make sense because, you know, that has nothing to do with the film, right? So they're it's personal, then they're veering off. But no, I'm saying personal as work wise. Yeah. Right. So like if they're like, ⁓ well, you know, I wouldn't have done this, I would have done that. Well, you what? You wouldn't have done it because you didn't do it. Or you wouldn't have done it because this is how my story led me to do it. You wouldn't have gotten to the point where you would have had to make that decision. So you can't so when you're critiquing something, you can't say, Well, I would have done it this way. As an as an honest critique. Like you could say it like, Yeah, you know, maybe he should have did this, this, and that, it probably would've worked better. It might have. It might not have. But to critique somebody in that specific way, it that that holds no weight whatsoever with anybody who knows how to take constructive criticism. What and you know Anton really like he kind of drove that home without in a much nicer tone than I did, but he really drove that point home. But critics were different then. You know, they were looked at a little higher. You know, a lot of them are failed ⁓ you know, chefs or failed like Roger Ebert. What what movie have you seen written or directed by Siskel and Ebert? Well he's dead now, isn't he? All right, when he was alive. He was alive for what, 70 years, 60 years? How many movies you make in 60 years? ⁓ did I don't know. Did they make a movie? I don't know. So if you're critiquing somebody, you should at least attempt it. So like you know, when they s even athletes when they're like, ⁓ you know, ⁓ Stephen A. Smith. But you know what? I'll take it from Stephen A because he played. He might not have played professional, but he played college. played high school, you know, he actually knows what he's talking about because he played a little. You don't have a guy you don't have to play in the pros. You don't have to play, you know, obviously, you know, little playing little league and then playing, you know, high school and college or semi pro stuff is completely different. But, you know, you should at least play some kind of high tier organized sports to be able to speak on it. Yeah, there's a The guy that I sometimes I watch his movie reviews. ⁓ I'm sure you've heard of him, Chris Stuckman. No, I I try not to watch reviews often. Okay. So he's a really big YouTuber who started just reviewing movies and, you know, people started to criticize him because he said, you know what, like I ⁓ as a filmmaker and as a writer, now I understand how hard it is. So I'm gonna be like a little bit less ⁓ I'm gonna be less harsh on my opinions because I know what goes into a movie and he actually ended up doing ⁓ Shelby Oakes. Never saw it. It came out la it came out last year. It's a horror movie. But I think it was picked up by Blumhouse, I want to say. See now that's but go ahead. But ⁓ you know, I after when he started actually getting to actually doing filmmaking and being a director, he's like, ⁓ shit, I realize how hard it is. So I wanna have a little bit more empathy for just me just trashing a film 'cause I understand what goes on behind the scenes and then sometimes shit is out of your control. Mm-hmm. See ⁓ and my rebuttal to that, I agree with that. But like for another point of view would be like, all right, you know, that makes sense for lower budget indies. You know, lower budget, even lower budget studios, something around one, two million. You know, you gotta start cutting corners. You know, the you gotta get the movie made. But if you have an eighty, ninety, hundred million dollar movie No, there there's no way you're getting any kind of slack. If you're if you have anything over a thirty million dollar movie, there's no slack giving to you. Yeah, no. If you can't figure out how to make a good product with thirty million dollars, you should not be directing film. You should not be writing film. You should not be producing film. There's there's been a ton of movies this year with budgets under a million dollars. Were they great? Not really. But they were decent. You know, and decent for six hundred and fifty thousand. Now give this guy ten times the budget. What can he make? Now, if he makes something just as decent, yeah, you know, maybe stick to the lower budget. If you're making something only incrementally better, stick to the lower budget. That's probably your wheelhouse kind of thing. But for these guys to get sixty, seventy, eighty, even in the hundreds of million dollars, and you make a bad product, nah. They're they're that shouldn't that shouldn't be on any level. You gotta get creative when you have ⁓ a smaller budget. Yeah. And they forget that. You know, because I said a lot of them forget where they started. You know, like like I I think I was ⁓ they were saying that the Odyssey was having money problems. Like that thing's like two hundred and seventy million dollar budget. How are you having money problems at two hundred and seventy million? Like I've seen some of the sets. Obviously the sets are crazy, but Maybe they broke another IMAX camera. But that's like Christopher Nolan has made lower budget films when he first started. Like I'm sure he knows how to stretch a dollar. So I I think he's at the point where it's like, no, just give me more money. I want to do it this way. I've earned the right to do it this way. Give me more money. But you know, they're gonna give it to him because they're gonna get the return back. Yeah. But now if you're somebody like not Christopher Nolan, there's a good chance you're not. I don't think Tarantino could do that. Tarantino's movies don't bring in what Nolan's movies bring in. So someone like him has to get a little more creative with it. Or you just gotta figure out who to steal from. Yeah. Have you guys seen ⁓ the menu? No. That the one that came out two years ago? ⁓ I think it was like three years ago. But there was a but, you know, there's a section in that movie. It's a ⁓ I guess it would be kind of considered like a psychological, but there's a a section where the chef he invites two film cr like I guess like food critics and you know, he calls them out and he says, you know, there's a difference between being constructive but you all were trying to actually ruin my business, my my livelihood. So he's like, Yeah, I took that personal. Yeah. So I'm not gonna say what happens in the movie, but you know, he's like, Can you remember that shit? I haven't seen it from decades ago. Highly recommended. Highly recommended movie. Well I mean I got I got some people on my list. Okay. That weren't ⁓ you know, I I don't care about a bad review. Like I I do care about like a pointless review. You know, so if if you know, like you're gonna say, hey, you know, this is stupid. I was thinking this, I was thinking that, that, that. If you don't like the movie, that's fine. Like obviously, you know, most people won't like you know, and most people don't like independent films as it is. So to even get somebody to watch an independent film is is a you know, it's a win anyway. But like, yeah, I've I've gotten a lot of great reviews and a lot of bad reviews. But, you know, you gu The ones that like get like real nasty with it for no reason. Yeah, it's just like you know, where it's just destructive for like I'm an asshole, but I'm not that type of asshole. Yeah. Like I'll I'll never per like destroy something that doesn't need to be destroyed, kind of thing. Like I'm not just gonna go and just shit on somebody just for it. Like there's gonna be a reason for it. You know, and Yeah, I might have just shit on people that get seventy million dollars, but what's the purpose of getting seventy million dollars if you're gonna continuously put out bad seventy million dollar movies? Hey man, pocket half of that. That's what I say. I'm sure there's some of that going on. Yeah, this studio Especially now that there's no back end. This studio, man, it costs four mil for just two days. ⁓ yeah, everybody's gotta eat. You know, that's that's kinda how it goes. No, when it's really like four hundred thousand for those two days, they're like, Yeah, man, they want a million. So where would you put this among the cooking movies that you've seen? So like I haven't seen the menu. I'm I'm gonna watch it now. That was the Netflix or the Amazon one? It was on one of the it's on it's on Max. It should be on Max. Wasn't it like a a s straight to streaming movie? Like a streamer. Did it come? Yeah, I saw it in. Yeah, it was really good. I probably would put this one. I probably would put the menu above that though. Above Ratatouille. That's weird that I didn't see it. Because I usually see most theater releases. Cause ⁓ I think the dude from ⁓ Ralph Finish. ⁓ Ralph Fines. Ray Fines. Yeah. ⁓ Anna, Anna Taylor Joy was in there. Nick Holt did really well in there. Yeah, you know, that was on my list. I just saw it. John Lagazzamo was in there too. Yeah. What is that? He's past his prime. He hasn't he did amazing in Spawn. I'm saying that's forty years ago, thirty-five years ago. He hasn't done anything worthwhile than like fifteen years. Damn I used I used to I used to love I used to think he was great. And then I don't know what happened. He just started like I don't know if it was his agent or if he just wanted to pick bad roles. This one was good though. Like I I haven't seen him in anything where I'm like, damn. You know, he's he's back to his you know 'cause he used to be a really good ac like I don't know if you want to call it really good, but I thought he was like a decent actor. Like a good, great supporting character that, you know, does well all the time and really you know, nails the supporting characters all the time. He was good in the remake of Romeo and Juliet, the one that came out in the nineties. With DiCaprio. Yeah. Yeah, but we're talking nineties. We're talking nineties again. You know, Spawn was in the nineties, this was in the nineties, you know, pest was in the nineties. You know, everything was in the nineties. Okay. So are we talking two thousands? So are we talking two fifty on this list or two fifty just in general? No, just in gener in in general for cooking movies, because I don't know I I only glanced at the two fifty. So I probably would have to put the menu above this. And then I'm just like doing like ⁓ maybe put Willy Wonka as number one. So Willy Wonka, menu, and then this. Which Willy Wonka? Their original one with Gene Wilder. You would consider that a cooking movie? I guess. You know, they're making the chocolate and the oom, but fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. ⁓ I don't know. So I haven't seen the menu yet. I'm gonna put I'm gonna put it on the list. I'll watch it. ⁓ Justin, where would you put it? Let me give me a minute. Actually, d did either one of you see The Chef with John Favreau? No. No, that was great. That was great. That was great. ⁓ did you ever see Waiting? I haven't seen too many I told you to watch Waiting. I haven't seen too many cooking movies. Yeah, remember we were on we were on your film set when we were talking about when we were talking about ⁓ the fucking the the game with ⁓ what's his face? shit. What the hell is his name? I I love this guy too, and I feel real bad fucking up his name. ⁓ Louis ⁓ Louis Gonzalez was it Luis Gonzalez? You just made that name up. Shit. I hope I didn't. I know it was Lewis ⁓ Lewis he's been in so many fucking movies. ⁓ Justin Long? No, no, no. Spanish guy. ⁓ Louis Louis Guzman. Yeah, Guzman. What did I say? Gonzalez? I meant Guzman. But but nah he but him and ⁓ what was it, Dane Cook. They were playing the ⁓ the butthole game. ⁓ shit. And we Dane Cook went to my college. We were talking we were talking about that on your film set. I don't know if you were there. You see. F nights. I I don't think I was. I mean you should have been directing while we were fucking around. No, what what what what what film? What film? What film? But ⁓ redacted, redacted. Yeah, we were we were talking about I think I was talking about that with Mamadu, actually. We were talking about waiting. 'Cause he was talking about waiting. I've never seen that one. Because he was talking about being a waiter and ⁓ the shit that goes on sometimes behind behind the scenes. So then I brought up so I brought up waiting and he never saw it either. So it's about all this stuff, you know. I was like I you know, I just I did my work and I went home at the end of the day. Because I used to work in the Delhi when I used to work at Publix for a little bit. There's a stretch where I was back there making the subs. And then obviously, like I had to learn how to use the slicer, which was terrifying. So I'm like, hey, give me ⁓ two pounds of Genoa ⁓ Genoa salon. Genoa. Genoa? Genoa. And then let me get this type of roast beef. So after a while, you know, like you're like kind of nervous, but after a while, you're like, ⁓ I know where this is. I can look at it. I know what this is. Slice it. Hey, taste this. Is it good? ⁓ a little thicker. All right. What you need. I I used to work to Delhi County too. I loved it. Fastest ship ever. It goes by like that. I l I loved it. I hate working with food, bro. Hate it. Really? I mean I don't I don't mind. No, I can't tolerate impatient people like people who Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Like Like if I owned the deli, I'd be like, bro, just just get out. I don't want your money, bro. Just get out. I would make them wait and just give them like the empty package. Be like, you're getting nothing, dude. Get out. Damn. Yeah. I can't I like I get your hungry. I have a lot of empathy now. But relax. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like 'cause I've been in that position too where I'm hungry and I feel impatient, but you know, I I record you go like they're working, they're going about their day, they're doing what they're supposed to do as it is. They're probably dealing with tons of people who are hungry and impatient all day. So like I take all that stuff into consideration. So if I get no consideration at all, I'm like, dude, eat a frank. I don't want your money, get out of here. Eat a how about you go eat a frank, bro? Whoa. You don't like that eat fright. Or or or donkey meat. That would be good. Eat donkey meat. Maybe like I don't know. I've tried some weird stuff. I don't think I would ever purposely try donkey meat. Like I wouldn't purposely try horse meat either, and I got fed that. I cooked rabbit for someone once. I've had the most exotic I've gotten was lamp chops. I don't think I actually had we went to ⁓ a Peruvian restaurant and I had lamb heart, like baby lamb hearts or veal hearts, right? Veal is the baby? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like veal heart. Not bad. Not good. I think not good, but not bad. I think ⁓ bison would be the most extravagant type of meat that I've eaten eaten before. I never tried I've had some weird shit. Very clean. We're from Florida. You haven't had alligator? I'm not I mean my family's country. I'm not country. But I'm saying, like you wouldn't try it? Nah. We went we went to the we went to Shark Meat, Louisiana. I've I've had sharp ⁓ no, I've had Dolph, what's what's ⁓ mahi mahi? That's dolphin, right? No. There was some kind of dol something with an like they call it dolphin. I don't remember. They didn't call it dolphin, but it was dolphin. Like fin? I don't I don't remember what it was. I tried it down where the hell did I try it? I think it was. See, my family's off they're off seafood people. ⁓ when I was home they had a big crawfish ⁓ it is. It is, right? The often is Mahi Mahi. Damn, so I've had dolphin before. Yo, that's crazy. But like yeah, like I'm allergic to shellfish, so I don't eat it, but I'll try anything that I'm not gonna die from. I had ⁓ I had ⁓ that shit once and I was like no. What? The the c the stuff that they always eat in ⁓ Louisiana crawfish, I had it once and I was like, nah, nah 'cause you know you gotta twist it. Technically shrimps are the roaches of the sea. ⁓ so what are crawfish like? Above it. Yeah, because 'cause shrimp are on the bottom, so they pretty much shrimp pretty much eat everything that's on the ground, like on the bottom of the seat. That's why they always say you should de vein it before you cook it. Yeah. The luckily I'm allergic. Well like I had an alligator when we went to New Orleans. I tried alligator jerky. It tasted the same as beef jerky. Beef jerky stuff. I can't eat any of that stuff. ⁓ I can't eat any of that stuff, so why not? I don't eat red meats or pork in Shilla. It wasn't ⁓ it wasn't ⁓ red. But you said it's light beef. So I No, it was black beef jerky. Like you know the Chicken fish, chicken fish, and then ⁓ Maligat is a fish. No. It's I like I like him better as I like him better as pets. It's in the water. It's in the water. All right, would you guys watch Rat Tattooing again? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, me too. I think I I think I'm gonna Might watch it more. What? I don't know about that, but I I think I would watch it if ⁓ I see it on a streaming. Disney Plus? That I have. I'm not getting Disney Plus. I don't I I don't watch much Disney stuff. Man, the the the ⁓ man the Spider-Man series, the one that they have? Fire. What's Spider-Man? It's a cartoon, right? Yeah, it's so good though. It's so good. Hmm. Hmm. Nah. And then you can w you can go back and you can watch the nineties Spider-Man, the nineties X-Men. They have gargoyles. Never watched any of that. Wow. On that note. I wasn't I wasn't ⁓ like I watched He Man, Thundercats. Like I'm talking my time for cartoons was eighties, not nineties. I used to watch some of that stuff too. Like Looney Tunes, I watched that. Gundam Wing. ⁓ Robotech I used to watch Robotech. Never saw that. That's the eighties. Never saw it. He Man, Thundercats, G. I. Joe. I like G.I. Joe. I never really watched any other I was I was always more into realistic stuff. I I I never I liked watching more real people than than like cartoons and shit. So I would always watch like MTV and shit like that. I was like a big MTV kid. and then my peers like we like they'd be like, yo, did you watch High school musical. I was like Like no. I was like, did you watch the new Andy Milanakis episode? Ballet. They were like, who's that? I'm like. Were they in cra they in class with ⁓ Timothy Chalamet? I don't know if Timothy took ballet, but usually ⁓ because like generally the difference between like jazz and well, jazz usually is incorporated with musical theater, and usually the difference between that and ballet is they're turn they're turned in versus ballet you're turned out. So it's essentially a little easier to turn, but you know, you're singing and you're dancing too. So you also have to take that in consideration and spotting and, you know, you're moving, making sure you're not running into people. It's like a lot of your brain is like over processing at times when you're making sure that you're in your spot, you're spotting, you're turning, and then you're not running into people when they're doing like transitions, formations, you're doing all this switching. Yeah. No. I'm okay. A lot of multiple. I'll wait for the h I'll wait for the holograms to come out. Never. Yeah, that's how it's gonna be. You're gonna go, you're gonna watch holograms dancing, and that's it. It's not the same. Just like AI actors aren't the same. I think dancers have a longer shelf life than being replaced by actors. I think the people are gonna push back against AI acting. Well they're gonna they're pushing back on AI in general now. Yeah. I I don't I think it's gonna it'd be like a niche thing. Yeah, well they're they're point before it's gonna be like, all right, dude. Yeah, that's fucked up. That is so fucked up. No, the the the the daughter said they gave him a b ⁓ they said, yeah, you can go ahead and do it. I I don't see Val Kilmer ever agreeing to that. Damn. I w I w I don't think he would ever would have ever agreed to that. And you you know if they come out with some Ray Leota shit, Ray Leota would have never agreed to that either. Allegedly. Nah, there's no way. But we don't know because, you know, they're no longer with us unless you're putting it in writing with conscious frame of mind saying, Hey, like I'm ⁓ you cannot use my rights after I'm no longer here. If I've watched Ray Leota one of my favorite. Like I've watched many interviews, he would have never agreed to something like that. I know people didn't really see him like as an actor actor. But Ray Leota was like a real actor, actor with range. Like they only know him from like the more popular of his releases. But he did so many smaller, like indie projects that were amazing. You know what he was ⁓ supposed to be on before he passed away? What? The substance. I was gonna say if you tell me succession. No, he was supposed to be he was supposed to be ⁓ Dennis Dennis Quaid's character? Yeah. And then he passed away, so that's what happened. They had to do the swap. Damn. I think Dennis Quaid probably would have done He he yeah, I don't think Rayle Ray Liotto doesn't have like that creepy f feel to him like Dennis Quaid does. Dennis Quaid like Dennis was playing himself in You you look at him and he's creepy like he's something you know he's creepy. Yeah, something's off. But like 'cause like he could play that natural father role, but then like you look at him and you're like, Yeah, he can he can really play that creepy role too. He was amazing in any given Sunday. Yeah, we're getting off top. But ⁓ I I I would ⁓ I think I would put Ratatouille in the top three. Out of cooking movies. The ones that we've seen so far. The ones that I've seen so far are cooking movies. ⁓ I re I really like Chef with John Favreau. I thought that was ⁓ a great film. and I I don't know what I would put like in the third spot. I don't remember off top. I guess if you're counting Willy Wonka, the original, I I would probably put that in there as well. ⁓ if we're counting that. But so watch menu and then come back and then tell me how you Yeah, I'm gonna be I'll I'll watch menu ⁓ as soon as I finish this fucking script I can't finish. But ⁓ redacted. Redacted script. No redacted. Yeah. ⁓ But yeah, I'll I'll I'll watch it probably sometime this week. Okay. After I watch ⁓ this week's movie. Same, I gotta watch the menu. It's really good. Is it like ⁓ Satire? It's satire. So it's like Did you see Triangle of Sadness? I looked it up. It said like horror comedy. Horror comedy? Yeah. There's there's some parts where everyone was laughing in the movie theater. When they shouldn't have been? No, no, no. It was like, yeah. I'm not gonna give it away, but there's a one part where everyone was ⁓ these are funny. Very dark humor. ⁓ then if it's dark humor, I'm in. I you can't you there's no darkness shit the the darker the better Rat Tattooe the Revisitation Rights Podcast and Pat Brandon