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Ep. 299: Locating the Best Buck in your Neighborhood with Adam Hays · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two
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  Speaker 1: and today the show, we're joined by Adam Hayes to
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  Speaker 1: dive deep into his tactics for consistently locating the best
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  Speaker 1: buck in the neighborhood. And welcome to the Wired to
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X, And today
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Adam Hayes and we're focusing specifically on
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  Speaker 1: the topic of finding the best buck in your area.
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  Speaker 1: And Adam seemed like they got to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: topic with because he does that year after year after year. Now,
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  Speaker 1: shooting big buck is not all the hunting is all about.
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  Speaker 1: but for some folks, those who seek the greatest deer
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  Speaker 1: biggest and oldest buck in your neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 1: Is this this task, this mission that can be incredibly
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  Speaker 1: rewarding and frustrating, But somehow Adam seems to do it
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  Speaker 1: with ease. Now, you might be familiar with Adam from
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  Speaker 1: his appearances in various magazines or his show Team two hundred,
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  Speaker 1: one of the few people out there who have killed
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  Speaker 1: the best buck and whatever area might be in. We
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  Speaker 1: discussed that and we break it down how to do
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  Speaker 1: an winter in the summer and in the season. So,
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  Speaker 1: without further ado, let's take a really quick break and
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  Speaker 1: Alright with me. Now on the line is Adam Hayes.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Adam, Thanks Mark, glad to
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  Speaker 1: be here. Yeah. I just was looking back on the
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  Speaker 1: archives to see when we had you on last and
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  Speaker 1: this is crazy to me, but it was four years
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  Speaker 1: ago that we did that episode. It does not seem
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  Speaker 1: like it's been that long at all. Time flies when
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  Speaker 1: you're having fun. I know that is Uh, that is
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  Speaker 1: the truth. So I'm glad, glad we're finally circling back again.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of having fun, Uh, are you having a
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  Speaker 1: good late summer early fall period? You get excited for
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  Speaker 1: the season to kick off here soon? Yeah, I'm getting excited. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: just summer just flew by and got some good deer
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  Speaker 1: on camera, so might just get after him. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: right there with you. And uh, speaking of those good
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  Speaker 1: deer and camera, that kinda ties into the main the
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  Speaker 1: main focus area I thought we could try to dive
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  Speaker 1: into today. And I know last time we chatted it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of a holistic view of everything you're doing
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  Speaker 1: to target big old bucks, And today I thought we
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  Speaker 1: can narrow in to one slice of that which you
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  Speaker 1: seem to be particularly good at, which is locating the
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  Speaker 1: best buck in the neighborhood, like finding that very biggest
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  Speaker 1: oldest buck in whatever neck of the woods it is
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  Speaker 1: that you're in, and then you just zero in on
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  Speaker 1: that deer and you it seems to be that you're
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  Speaker 1: getting within range of that deer more often than most
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  Speaker 1: other people out there. So I thought we could dive
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  Speaker 1: into all facets of that. So everything from you know,
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  Speaker 1: preseason work and scouting all the way to what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing in season, everything from actual hunting to trail cameras
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  Speaker 1: to whatever else it might be. Um, but I gotta
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  Speaker 1: ask you alluded to it. You've got a couple of
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  Speaker 1: good bucks on camera. Do you have a couple of
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  Speaker 1: these bucks in your sites already that you think you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be the target for this year? Yet? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a couple of target bucks. I've not seen
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  Speaker 1: a deer that I thought was pushing two hundred incheons
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  Speaker 1: this year, but one dear in particular been chasing for
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  Speaker 1: a four year at home, and big deer over in
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  Speaker 1: Illinois have been after for a couple of years. So
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's all about with me. I'd rather be
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  Speaker 1: chasing a specific animal than just out there deer hunting.
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  Speaker 1: That's really what drives me these days is um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: having some history on a deer and trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: it out and playing that game with them a supposed
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  Speaker 1: to just sitting there hoping a big one is gonna
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  Speaker 1: show up. Yeah, I hear you. I'm right there too.
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  Speaker 1: So how does that process start for you? You You know,
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  Speaker 1: let's say two thousand eighteen season ended, two thousand nineteen
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  Speaker 1: has started when when you went into this year. Let's
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  Speaker 1: let's look at this year as a perfect example. How
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  Speaker 1: did the process start for you as far as trying
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  Speaker 1: to either relocate a buck you new from past years
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  Speaker 1: or find whatever that buck will be a new buck
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  Speaker 1: might be this year. When did that start? What's it
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  Speaker 1: start looking like? Is it is it right away in
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  Speaker 1: the postseason or do you wait till the summer? How
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  Speaker 1: do you start locating that? Dear? It's really important to
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  Speaker 1: get out in the woods, we think before things start
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  Speaker 1: greening up. I mean a lot of guys get out hunting,
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  Speaker 1: and I do shift hunt. I'm really looking for you know, handlers,
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  Speaker 1: off specific animals though, as opposed to just out comb
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  Speaker 1: in the woods looking for looking for a horn here
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  Speaker 1: or there. But it's a great time to get out
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  Speaker 1: and really, you know, everything's kind of really laid out
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  Speaker 1: for you. Um as far as the previous season. You know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously rubs, trails, scrapes, this sort of thing, But the
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  Speaker 1: main thing I look for late season like that when
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  Speaker 1: I'm after a specific buck, is are the core areas,
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  Speaker 1: you know, areas where those deers spend the majority of
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  Speaker 1: their time in October especially, you know, thick, thick betting
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  Speaker 1: areas that are going to have concentrations of large RUPs
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  Speaker 1: because you know, getting after a specific deer excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: I like to get after him in October obviously before
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  Speaker 1: the route when they're still pretty predictable and on a
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  Speaker 1: on a set pattern doing pretty much the same thing
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  Speaker 1: every day. But you've got to know, you know, right
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  Speaker 1: where those dinner a betting and food sources are pretty obvious.
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  Speaker 1: But early season they're doing the same thing every day,
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  Speaker 1: and some guys struggle with killing deer then, like during
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  Speaker 1: the October lowy because a deer doing it the same
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  Speaker 1: thing but in such a small area and it's tough
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  Speaker 1: to get into those spots without tipping them off. He
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  Speaker 1: usually get one crack out of them and that it's
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  Speaker 1: game O for or things get a lot tougher. So
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  Speaker 1: that's really what I focus on that time of years,
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  Speaker 1: finding the core areas where this big deer bet or betting.
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  Speaker 1: Early season they're doing a lot of rugs and everything
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  Speaker 1: is pretty much right there laid out for you to
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  Speaker 1: find um late season is so so what you know,
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  Speaker 1: Let's say it's a property that you know you've hunt
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  Speaker 1: in the past. There's a buck that you think made
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  Speaker 1: it to the next year. Now you're out there in
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  Speaker 1: January or February and March whatever it is, and you're
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  Speaker 1: looking for these core areas. Once you find a spot
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  Speaker 1: you think is his core area, maybe in the past,
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  Speaker 1: like you, you've hypothesized that, Hey, I think this buck
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  Speaker 1: is hanging out in this little zone. What are you
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  Speaker 1: really trying to do them? At that point? If you
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  Speaker 1: know that one of these pockets is one of his
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  Speaker 1: little core betting areas, do you go in there and
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  Speaker 1: try to actually take it even further and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I know this is zone. This five acres or fifteen
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  Speaker 1: acres or whatever seems to be his core. Do you
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  Speaker 1: go in there and try to precisely pick I bet
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  Speaker 1: you he beds in this exact spot some days. I
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  Speaker 1: bet you beds in this exact spot some days. Or
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  Speaker 1: do you try to find exactly the routes? Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that deer is coming in? What are you actually
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  Speaker 1: doing when you're there on March one looking at the
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  Speaker 1: core area. Well, it's really all the above. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta have a really good idea where he's betting
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  Speaker 1: at and it's really a matter of almost you know,
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  Speaker 1: thinking like the deer. So if you know where he's betting,
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  Speaker 1: you know where the food sources are are and where
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna want to go. Number one, what travel routes
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  Speaker 1: are going to take to get there? And probably the
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  Speaker 1: most important is what kind of wind is he gonna
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  Speaker 1: need to feel safe enough to get up in moon
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  Speaker 1: during daylight to get there? Because my whole regiment is
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  Speaker 1: all about finding a weak spot somewhere on that travel
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  Speaker 1: pattern where you can get within bow range of him
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  Speaker 1: while he's using the wind to his advantage, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: a five six seven year old buck in October is
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  Speaker 1: probably just gonna lay there in his bed until dark
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  Speaker 1: and let he's got a few things in his favor,
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  Speaker 1: particularly a good wind. You know, weather influences mature deer
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  Speaker 1: to move, and obviously the moon to him a big
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  Speaker 1: follower on the moon. You know, when you can line
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  Speaker 1: a few of those things up, it's uh, that's when
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  Speaker 1: you catch those big deer making mistakes. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's really about just like I said, trying to think.
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  Speaker 1: I think, like the deer, what's gonna what's it gonna
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  Speaker 1: take for that deer to feel comfortable to get up
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  Speaker 1: and move and finding you know, an ambush spot along
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  Speaker 1: there while he's using the wind to his advantage, and
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  Speaker 1: those spots are tough to find. You It's hard enough
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  Speaker 1: to beat a big bucks nose let alone given him
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  Speaker 1: the wind. You know, That's really what changed my success
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  Speaker 1: on big deer was when I quit hunting winds that
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  Speaker 1: were good for me and started hunting to win good
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  Speaker 1: for the animal I was after. So it was a
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  Speaker 1: fair to say that you are looking at a property
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  Speaker 1: and you're kind of finding these core areas, and those
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  Speaker 1: core areas kind of become like a hub on a wheel,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're then trying to guess where are the
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  Speaker 1: spokes coming off of the wheel these travel routes out.
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  Speaker 1: So do you end up having different places you hunt
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  Speaker 1: that having these different little wheels. You've got a coreer
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  Speaker 1: here and a couple of spokes coming out, and then
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  Speaker 1: you've got another coreer somewhere else. Maybe it's a different buck.
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  Speaker 1: And if you spokes, is that kind of what your
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  Speaker 1: maps in your head look like when you're thinking about
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  Speaker 1: breaking down these properties. Yeah, I mean, because they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be headed into the exact same place every day.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're pretty consistent early season, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: food sources change almost daily in October. You know with crops,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the soybeans change from you know, being grained
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  Speaker 1: to drying up, and they switch over to the eight
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  Speaker 1: corners when they're dropping. And if a corn field comes down,
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  Speaker 1: you know they jump on that right away. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: changing NonStop. So there's gonna be multiple routes a big
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  Speaker 1: deer it can take. So that's where you're you know
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  Speaker 1: you're in season. Scouting comes into play a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: probably scout more of and I hunt during the season
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  Speaker 1: also because you've got to be on the freshest sign.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's that stuff changing, like I said, almost
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  Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and get to stay on top
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  Speaker 1: of that stuff. But then then again that also causes
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  Speaker 1: its own set of problems and issues trying to get
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  Speaker 1: in and keep an eye on fresh sign how things
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  Speaker 1: are changing without disturbing the deer. So you really got
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  Speaker 1: to have an intimate knowledge of where that deer is
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  Speaker 1: betting at, where you think he's going to go as
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  Speaker 1: the crops and purfood, food sources change, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's just, uh, you know, it's just a combination of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things they're going to play. It's a
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  Speaker 1: huge puzzle. It's a huge puzzle. Now. Yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a strategic nightmare. But that's what makes it fun. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I do want to talk about all that in
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  Speaker 1: season stuff for sure, But before we get to that,
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  Speaker 1: one more question on the on this, you know, winter
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  Speaker 1: scouting of these star at these core areas, finding them
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  Speaker 1: the spokes along the way. But what if it's a
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  Speaker 1: new property and you don't know where you know, where
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  Speaker 1: these certain bucks are typically spending their time. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're brand new on the spot and you're now walking
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  Speaker 1: around and you're trying to determine where is this best
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  Speaker 1: buck living, you know a lot of people say, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's certain places I think the bucks should
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  Speaker 1: bed like they'll be good thick cover. And then so
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  Speaker 1: if you just go to the good thick cover and
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  Speaker 1: you say, okay, this has gotta be his coreer, this
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  Speaker 1: has gotta be his betting area because it's good they
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  Speaker 1: cover um. But you know, maybe there's four bucks living
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  Speaker 1: around there and one of them, maybe he's using that one,
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  Speaker 1: And is that the best one? Is that the oldest buck?
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  Speaker 1: Is that the biggest buckle? How do you actually go
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  Speaker 1: about determining where the king of the hill is living?
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  Speaker 1: Is it just by rub size or is that a
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  Speaker 1: concentration or is it I mean, how do you go
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  Speaker 1: about and actually say, okay, this little area here, this
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  Speaker 1: is the big boy I think, or this is where
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  Speaker 1: they're spending the most time. How do you actually make
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  Speaker 1: that qualification? I'd probably rely on concentrations of I grew up.
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  Speaker 1: It's more than anything. Um. But you know, on any
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  Speaker 1: given property there can be you know, multiple bucks and
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  Speaker 1: multiple areas that they use. So unless you actually witness firsthand,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a deer making rub, it's hard to know
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  Speaker 1: for sure. But um, you know, I use a lot
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  Speaker 1: of mineral sites in those locations year round to keep
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  Speaker 1: tabs on the bucks and to know which areas that
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  Speaker 1: they're using. I'd love to set my mineral sites right
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  Speaker 1: on the edge of these core areas, where you know,
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  Speaker 1: when a whether bucks traveling um through an area or
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  Speaker 1: you know, going from his summer pattern to his back
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  Speaker 1: to his core area, when he sheds his a velvet.
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  Speaker 1: Typically they'll you know, they'll hit those mineral sites that
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  Speaker 1: I'll know when they're there, and you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a good idea to put them right on the edge
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  Speaker 1: where you can get in and get out without disturbing
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  Speaker 1: those areas. But um, that's a great way to keep
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  Speaker 1: tabs on them, to know which deer are living where,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you just you gotta cover. On a
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  Speaker 1: new farm, you gotta cover every stitch of cover that's available,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, a big deer could be using a
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  Speaker 1: typical you know, flat in the middle of the woods
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  Speaker 1: as his quar area, or he could be using a
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  Speaker 1: little tiny thicket right up next to the road. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you just never know where these big deer of little
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  Speaker 1: pockets that they've found where they've learned to survive. An
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  Speaker 1: older guy that it's hunted lower than I've been been
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  Speaker 1: alive told me one time that if you've gone more
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  Speaker 1: than a hundred yards from your truck, you probably went
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  Speaker 1: too far. So I don't I don't skip any patch
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  Speaker 1: of cover when it comes to figuring out, you know
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  Speaker 1: where these big deer high net and especially on a
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  Speaker 1: new piece, you just got to cover everything that's available
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  Speaker 1: to you in what you've got permission on because you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to miss anything. Yeah, what about scrapes, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, big hub tile hub type scrapes. Some people
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  Speaker 1: like to really focus on those scrapes. They're back in
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  Speaker 1: the cover and they use that to kind of focus.
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  Speaker 1: And do you pay attention to that sign at all
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  Speaker 1: when doing this early you know, postseason type stuff in
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  Speaker 1: the winter still or is it just rubs and another
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  Speaker 1: signs like that? No, I pay a lot of attention
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  Speaker 1: to him. It seems like the bigger and larger breeding scrape.
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  Speaker 1: So that's you know, those are the ones that you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna want to pay attention to a November and I
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  Speaker 1: normally don't find those on those isolated you know buck
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  Speaker 1: travel patterns. Those are more typical for you know, all
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  Speaker 1: your doughs and all your bucks are hitting them in
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  Speaker 1: a real common area, which is where you want to
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  Speaker 1: be in November. But when I'm after a specific buck,
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  Speaker 1: I like to try to kill him in October and
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  Speaker 1: that's typically not the kind of place we're going to
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  Speaker 1: find them. But you definitely want to note those areas, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know for November action, that's for sure. Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. So let's move the clock forward a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's the summer. It's July or August, and you
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  Speaker 1: kind of made you made a comment a second ago
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  Speaker 1: that makes me curious about what you think about summer scouting,
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  Speaker 1: because he said something about how these bucks moved from
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  Speaker 1: their summer patterns to their fall patterns. So, right, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us talk about the fact that you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have these deer in one place in the summer and
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  Speaker 1: then some significant portion typically shift their range to a
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  Speaker 1: degree once a volvo comes off. So do you how
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  Speaker 1: do you look at your summer scouting, your summer trail
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: camera pictures, your summer bean field scouting, when you know
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: that allow those deer going to be somewhere different in
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: a few weeks. Well, it's just something you gotta keep
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: in the back of your mind. And that's when that
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: late season scouting comes into play, because these mature deer
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: are usually going to be located next to a preferred
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: food source in the summer, whether it's you know, a
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: really green soybean field, alfalfa, whatever the case is, and
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: who knows why they pick a specific field, but I've
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: seen them here in Ohio where deer don't travel a
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: lot um relocate a mile or two miles away in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the summer, and then you know they're out there like
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: clockwork all summer, wrong every night, and then all of
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: a sudden they vanish. And that's where a lot of
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: guys have problems with them. They don't know, you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: what happened where they went, and a lot of those books,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: when they shed their vote, they automatically relocate back to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: those core areas that I try to find late season.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: But um, you know, the only thing hunt the only
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: thing definitely about hunting big deers, nothing's ever definite. You know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: some of those big bucks might stay right on that
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: food source right in through October. If the beings were
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: planted little and they're still green, they could stay there.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I've seen that happen before. If there's a good oak
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: drop in the area, they could stay right there or relocate,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you know to a different spot where they're dropping. But
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: typically September, you know when they should there's a lot
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: of stuff changing, and you know, a big, big deer
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: could stay right where he's at where he could completely
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: vanish and relocate. But nine times out of ten when
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: they do that they're going back to that safety area.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: You know, they know what's going on, they know what's
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: coming in. Things are changing and it's time to get
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: reclusive again and that's normally where they end up. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that's when those mineral sites come into play and having
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: a camera on and monitoring them so you so I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: know when they you know, when they vanish from the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: southern pattern, they'll usually show up on those mineral sites. Yes,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: so tell me a little more about your mineral site
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: trail camera process. So you're putting these spots on the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: edge of the core area. When you say the edge
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: of it, I mean, are you saying it's on the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: edge of the field so you can drive right up
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to it or you actually back in the timber, but
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you're on the edge of the transition between like a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: staging area and the good they cover. Like, how how
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: close to the edge are you really? When I say edge,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about somewhere where I can get in and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: out and check in with out disturbing the deer that
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I'm watching, but close enough to him that he's gonna
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: find it and it's gonna have to be on his
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: travel pattern. You know, when he comes through the area.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: They just I don't know, it seems like more and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: more of these days to find these big mature bucks,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: they just don't seem to venture off their set patterns.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you can go out of their way to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: find stuff. So you've really got to be either right
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: on it or close to it for them to define
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it or to pay attention to it, or to hit
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it consistently. So as close as you can be to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: their core area, I'm on the edge, so you're not
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: disturbing anything if you have to go in and replenish
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: it or change batteries on your camera or whatever, you know.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And and a lot of times I hunt really close
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: to him too, so you know, I don't want to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: go busting through the brush to get into a tree
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: stand I like, I love just being able to slip
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: right just inside the cover, not disturb anything, jump up
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: in a stand off if a big deer you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: started to hit a mineral, which they don't a lot
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of times in October, but you know, if he's making
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a mistake, you got to be able to slide in
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: their undisturbed and take the crack at him. So yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So what's your trail camera set up? Over those. I mean,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm curious, like, do you put them away high in
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a tree and aim it down because you're worried about
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the buck spoken to the camera, or do you just
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: place a camera eye level. I'm curious about your whole
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: details set up for those cameras, those like stationary cameras
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: where they're over mineral side or something like that. Well,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: most of those are there year round, So did deer
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: get used to him? And I haven't had a need
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to you know, hang them tin foot up in a
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: tree or anything like that. I've not noticed where they
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: really disturbed the deer I'm after. And like I said,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: because they're in there all year, going to get used
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to them. So just a typical set up. Okay, And
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: are you running uh cell cams nowadays? Do you run
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: just traditional cameras? And and it's so how often you
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: going in there to check them at this point in
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the year, at least when I'm in close to a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: quar area like that. Yeah, I used the cell camera
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: so I don't have to go in there and check them.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I probably run about fifteen of those, and then everywhere
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: else it's just standard cameras that I've bounced around from
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: spot to spot. But those cell cameras are worth their
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: weight and goal, especially during season. So any of my
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you know, kill spots that I'm actually hunting and I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: think that's where I need to be, you know, I'll
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: definitely have a cell camera in there. So okay, that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. So let's say we're in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that late summertime period or early falling, like right now,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it's September, early September. You're waiting to get some of
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: these bucks on your camera, on your trail cameras. Let's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: say you get a ping, you look at your phone.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: It's September six, and here's the big shooter box that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you've been hoping to see all year. He's on camera
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just outside of one these core areas. Is at that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: point do you just let it be and keep your
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: cameras all where they were at because you want to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: keep track of what other deer might be around. Or
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: do you go and grab some of your other cameras
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: or elsewhere and then zero in on this spot now
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that you know your target bucks in. Yeah, it's too
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: late in the game to make a lot of changes
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: right now, So the less pressure the better. You know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it's all about the element of surprise and and going
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in the first time. And I mean a deer that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: survived for five or six seasons, you just can't you
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: just can't make any mistakes. Not early season. And like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I said, this time of the year, they're doing pretty
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: much the same thing every day, but they're doing it
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in a really small area. And if he's in there
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and you catch you moving during daylight, don't change anything.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I don't change anything. I mean unless something absolutely has
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to be changed. The key I just I want to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: stay out of that area, let him feel as comfortable
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: as you possibly can, and then wait until I stacked
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the deck in my favor with everything possible to get
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: him to move during daylight as soon as I can
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: slide and take a chance and killing him. Because if
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I took the ten biggest deer I've killed, I bet
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you nine of them were killed the first time I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: went in. You know, I think a lot of guys
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: struggle with the fact that it's hunting season. I gotta
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: be hunting, which is understandable if a guy can only hunt,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days a week or weekends
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, guys want to be out there hunting,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: But I don't go through all the work and scouting
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and effort to go in before everything's lined up and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: take a chance on blowing him out, because like I said,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: it gets tougher each time you go in there and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: don't get it done. So you really got to be
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: patient and just wait for everything to line up before
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I even take a chance. I'm going in, and nine
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: times out of ten it works if you can do that,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: if if you can stay out of your area till
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: everything lines up. So so before we get into the season. Um.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: One other thing I know we talked about this a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: little bit when we chatted last, which was this idea
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that sometimes a lot of folks will just focus on
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: hunting whatever bucks they have on their property that they've
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: always hunted or whatever, but that you sometimes will actually
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: go out there in the summer or off season or
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: whatever it is and seek out these top tier bucks
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: glass and fields and looking all around, and then when
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you see a buck that you really want to target,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: then you go about trying to get permission to hunt
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: there or whatever it takes to be able to hunt there. Um.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So when I guess question number one is do you
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: still do that question? Number two is if so do
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you do that in the summer? Do you wait till
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: early September so that you know you're in the spot
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that buck's going to be during the fall. That's really
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: good to be the toughest part of the game, anymore,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: fine and quality deer that you can actually a hunt,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and being able to find one, I mean,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: there's lots of different ways to find them. You know.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I follow up on every lead I hear about on
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a big deer. You know, I do a lot of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: glassing in the summer. You know, um shed hunting new properties.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a real estate agent, so you know I'm looking
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: at properties all the time. Um, you know, just any
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: any um any way that you can, you know, get
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a lead on a big deer, you gotta follow up
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: on it. And I like to focus on sanctuaries or
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: areas that don't get a lot of hunting pressure, or
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: areas next to sanctuaries for good places. I mean here
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: in Ohio, I think just about any buck has got
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the genetics to be a trophy. He just needs time.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: So in order for him to get the time to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: grow to be you know, Bon the crocker or two
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: intern inch dear, he's got to have you gotta have
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: us eight spots, so you know, anywhere we can get
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: next to or on a spot that has minimal or
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: no hunting pressure, you know, those are spots I focus
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: on on trying to find a newt here per se.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think probably the best times to really
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: locate one is is in the summer, when those deer
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit more relaxed and out in the beans
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in the summer. And tell you that though there's not um,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: even a mature dear is not out there every night.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I've I've noticed that quite a bit in the last
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: ten years, with more guys out scouting in the summer
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and pulling off the side of the road. There's a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: big deer don't like to be seen, even in July
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and August. And there are certain nights that I focus
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: on in the summer to increase my efforts and success
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: on seeing those big deer out in the fields because
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I can't I don't have the time, you know, to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: be out there every night in the summer like I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: used to be. And there are certain nights that are
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: better than others for catching those big dear out in
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the fields. So you look at the same types of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: factors like the moon and temperature and other weather stuff
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: like that to impact deer movement that we look at
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: in the season. Is that the same stuff you kean
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: during the summer for your scouting. Yeah, exactly. Maybe not
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: so much the wind in the summer, but definitely the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: weather and the moon. You know, when you get the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: cool evenings or an evening when you know rains and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: then the sun comes out and you've got some moisture
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: on these plants, you know, dear just coming out of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the woodwork. And then of course the moon. Um. I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: just in the last twenty years, I've just seen it
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: happen too many times when that moon's peaking in the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: evenings that especially the maturity or seemed to show up early.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And that's really what I've focused on her and fift
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: twenty years now for those bigger animals, trying to locate
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: them in the summer. So those those deer though you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: find in the summer, Let's say you let's say you
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: did this, you went out there, you scouted near some
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: different little saints where areas you found you found a
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: buck you're really interested in. It's it's August though, yes,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you glassed him into bean field. He was out there
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: every other day through all of August. But now it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: early September, and maybe like did you go and get
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you asked on every property nearby and maybe you've got
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: permission on one of them or two of them, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: not September, and you're now you're trying to decide, Okay,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: are they still there? Are they still around or did
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: there was there fall range somewhere? Totally different, like how
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: do you try to verify that? Is it just that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: we talked about earlier? Did you go and put a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: camera out and now you're waiting to see if the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: camera starts popping in September? Or is there something else
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you do to try to verify is he here? It's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a shot in the dark when you catch one in
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the summer. Because you did, you didn't have a chance
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to do your your postseason scouting to know where his
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: core area is, so you don't know if he does
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: they initially he's going to relocate to. Really, the best
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: thing you know for catching a big during the summer
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and you find one on the field is just you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I call it um uh summer observation. And that's getting
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: up in a tree or you know, in a truck
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: from a few hundred yards away, and keeping an eye
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: on the area with a spotting scope, and and just
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: not tipping that deer off because you bust one in
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the summer on debt and pretty much most of the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: time he's gonna be gone. So you get permission on
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: any any adjacent spots that you can, and the last
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: thing you want to do is just busted deer like that,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to just keep an eye on him from a distance,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: try to you know, you know, through aerial photographs and
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: some low impact scouting, you know, trying to figure out
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: what he's doing. But it's that's a completely different game,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you know, when you find one in the summer, when
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: you've got nothing other to go on other than just
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: seeing him out in the field, you know, that could
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: be that could be tough. So what about a situation
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: where like, what if this is actually happening right now?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: You just got permission in late August, it's a week later,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: it's early September, You've done the truck observations, you sat
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: on the hill of the spotter. Would you risk going
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: in and doing a walk about still at this late
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: in the game with your season opening four weeks from
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: an how or whatever? Or would you say, now, I'm
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: not even gonna walk in there once. I'm just gonna
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: start hunting running gun, you know, once the season starts.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to muck it up at all. How
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: would you think about things one month off from the season? Now? Man,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you just you gotta handle it carefully, and it's going
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to differ from from, you know, one scenario to the next.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But one deer comes to my mind. You know, I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: was chasing a giant eight point I don't know, six
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: or seven years ago, and he was camped out in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a really small swaving field and it was just surrounded
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: by a couple of fence lines and at a ditch,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: little wooded creek line. And I've been up in a
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: tree a couple of times, and I saw him moving
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: across the field, and I knew the direction he was
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: heading in the evenings, but I had no stands in there,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: so I waited till I got a good wind. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: knew that that deer was not gonna win to me
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: out in that field during the day, had a good
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: rainy day, put some rubber boots on, got all cleaned up,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: put a stand on the back, and I basically walked
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: a creek creek line up to where I thought he
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: was entering um or exiting the field and hunger stand
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and killed him the second week of season. Um, you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: coming through the beans and and heading in that same direction.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So it's a matter of watching them, seeing what they're doing,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: not alerting them to what you're doing, and just really
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: being smart about entering and exiting the property, making sure
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you don't tip them off, being really clean and you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: going in with the stand on your back, minimal disturbance, um,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes even a hanging hunt, yeah, I know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: if if you don't have the opportunity to get it
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: done beforehand, you know, you might have to put that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: stand and sticks on your back and do it and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and hang them and hunt the same you know, same evening, right,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: all right? Is any of this process different? Um on properties?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You know? So we we started there and then we
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: went to this new property example. But now let's go
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: back to a property. You do know you've hunted a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: farm year after year after year, you get a big
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: buck that shows up on your camera on your mineral
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: side on September five. Let's say, once you're opening days approaching,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: do you still try to get some nights to do
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: some observations this last few days of the last week.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Are you still trying to do that or do you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: know these spots well enough that it's just better not
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to risk it at all and just wait till that
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: right time to hunt. You know, I love to have
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: things set pre set, you know, weeks or months in advance,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: but that's not always the case with things changing. You know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: with a food source change and or hunting pressure or whatever.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: You know, stuff can change at the last minute. Or
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: you know, you might have a new buck show up
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: on your property, but regardless, he had to be ready
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to change it up at a moment's notice. And even
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: on a property that you know, Um, if a big
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: deer year after or a new one shows up in
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: a specific spot during daylight making a mistake, I mean,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you got to be ready to dive in and get
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it done. And one of the biggest deer ever killed
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: was a dear I knew about, and after all the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: postseason scouting and summer scouting I did on that property,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find that dear. To save my life, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I kept doing my you know, my distance scouting observation stands.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Finally saw that deer show up mid October one evening
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: out in the middle of the field. Um, I was
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a few hundred yards away. He had no idea I
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: was there. Um sat that field for the next week.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: He didn't go back up, and then cornfield on on
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the end of the property went down. He popped out
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: one evening with the doze, and I didn't have anything
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: set up in there. So the next evening I went
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: in with the stand and sticks on my back and
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: hung in. Uh, hung on the edge of the field
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and had dark right before dark. He stood up about
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: eight yards away and ended up killing him. So so
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you gotta be ready. You gotta be ready to you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: hanging hunt or change things up at a moment's notice,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: even during season. Right, it seems like like as much
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: work as you do in the off season, being able
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to stay on top of the recent intel is just
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: as important to flesh out that full picture. Um yea,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you mentioned observation stands. Um, so we're we're in the season. Now,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: let's say we've done this postseason scouting. We monitor areas
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: in the summer trying to glass fields. We had mineral site.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's out there that were getting pictures of box. Um.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But now the season has opened, do you I know
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people go in there and actually, I'm
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: gonna take what I just bet said back. Let's not
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: talk about observation stands yet. Let's let's first talk about
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: opening night. Do you oftentimes go in for that opening
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: night kill like a lot of people do, or are
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you still playing it safe in trying to do use
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: your observation watch, watch, watch, and then zero win on them. Um,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: what does that first night look like for you? Because
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: that can be tough to do, to have the intel
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to dive right in and go for a kill the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: first night unless you can see him from the road
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: or something. Right. Yeah, Yet, I know what you're saying.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And just because it's opening night doesn't necessarily mean I'm
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: going to go in. No, I'm not going to go
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in unless I've either seen that dear making a mistake
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and daylight or I've got a few things on my
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: side that makes me believe that that deer is probably
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: going to get up in move and that's got to be,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a good win for him. Um, a good
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: weather condition prompt that deer to get up and move,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: or the moon. You know, and anybody that knows me
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: knows I've followed the moon for a long time. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: unless there's a couple of those factors, you know, the wind,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: weather and moon lining up, the chances are I'm not
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: going to go in unless those things are on my side,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: because you just can't go in and not get it
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: done early season, because that deer is gonna end up
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: picking up on picking up on you. Is Csmelia here
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you if you don't kill him, catch you coming out
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: after dark. I mean, I want to kill that deer
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the first time that I go in, And so I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: want to stack the deck in my favor and make
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: sure I've got the moon pushing him to get up early,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: some kind of weather condition that's pushing him to get up,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: um the wind in his favor, so it feels safe
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: enough to move. You know, I want all that stuff
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: lined up before I dive in. And you know, I
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: don't want anybody to to misinterpret what I'm saying. You know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I pay attention to the moon, but if it's not
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: a good moon, even doesn't mean I'm not hunting you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: if it's opening evening and I don't have any of
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that stuff going on, you know, I might be three
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: yards away at another true stand watching that area, or
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: maybe on a different property with another deer. I'm still
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: out hunting, but if I know where I need to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: be to kill a specific deer, I want as many
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: of those things in my favor as I can before
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take a chance to go in and
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: try to kill that dear. Yeah, this uh, this big
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Ohio buck you've got on your radar this year. You
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: said you've been hunting him for three or four years.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: As that we said, yeah, yeah, do you have or
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: can you do you have a game plan? Like do
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you already know in your head I think I'm gonna
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: kill him in this spot and I'm just gonna wait
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: for the right time to do it, or are you
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: going to be trying to figure that out in the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: coming weeks, you know, having four years of history with him,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I do have a couple of spots that have kind
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of you know, set the trap and have them prepared
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and going to wait for you know, specific scenarios before
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'll go into those spots. But then also, you know
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: there's other places on the farm where I think I
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: could kill them. Just all depends on the deer. You know.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: If you do everything you can to prepare yourself and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of try to predict what you think
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is going to happen, and sometimes that's the way it happens.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not. Sometimes you know, the deer changes something
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: up or does something completely different. I mean, the only
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: thing definite about hounding the big deers, and nothing's ever definitely.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: So prepare for what you can and be ready to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: do what you need to if things change up. Ye
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: walk me through the scenario. Then let's if you don't mind,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: let's use that big Ohio buck as an example. Um,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: let's just say hypothetically that the first few days of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the season go by and you don't have that you
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: don't have great conditions, so you're not really diving in
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: there for him. It's it's October. Now, how are you
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: going about hunting him with? I know you've talked about
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: observation stands in the past. Can you just expand on
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that a little bit? How you use observation stands to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: try to locate and zoom in on where these deer
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: are and what they're doing. You know, it's a it's
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: a location or a tree stand that's outside of the game.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: You know, where I'm sure the deer is not going
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to pick up on me come in or leaving, and
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: where I've got really good visual um opportunities to catch,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: you know, to get a look at them moving, making
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: a mistake, you know, watching them come through c RP,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: watching them go through the food plots. You know, I've
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: got trail cameras on all those spots where I think
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I might get an opportunity killing. So not only am
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I going to be able to catch him coming through
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: those areas on camera, but if he hasn't discourt the camera,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: if I'm in an observation stand up, might be able
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: to pick up on that. But you know, I know
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: how that dear moves through the farm where I've seen
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: him in the past. You know his history, um is,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you know, coming through the plots that I have set
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: up the White Toil Institute plots right on those Red
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Moody means. I mean, he's been really consistent on that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of where he happens to be
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: betting at and how he gets to those spots. Just
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Dear in particular beds and like six different places, so
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to tell where he's going to be
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: coming from. So that's another thing to try to key
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: on on these observation spots. You know where where they're
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: coming from and what they're doing. I mean, you're just
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: looking for a little pieces to the puzzle. Yeah, so
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: you're you're up in the tree, you see the buck
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm imagining you see him. You're thinking in yourself in
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: your head, Okay, where'd you come from? Where is he headed?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: But what are the other things that are running through
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: your brain as you're trying to analyze, Like, you just
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: have this observation, You just got this piece of the puzzle.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: What are all the things that you're trying to dissect
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: from this piece of the puzzle, Because I imagine there's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff you can glean from this ten
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: second observation. Possibly what's Adam Hayes trying to get out
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: of that trill? It pretty simple? You know, how can
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you use that information to kill that deer immediately? You know?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: You get that's when it's when you see him doing something,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: see him making a mistake, you gotta you gotta react,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and you gotta kill him immediately. You know, you don't
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: wait for it to cool off. You don't go in
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: and hang a stand and give it a couple of days.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta go in and get it done.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: So just trying to take that information and use it
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to figure out how I kill that deer as soon
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: as possible because things are changing way too much and
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen. And that's that's
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: when you got to get aggressive and go in and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: get it done. If you observe a deer, then let's
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: say it's October, you see a buck, do something. Are
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you gonna go immediately the very next set, like the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: next morning, or you gonna wait for the next evening,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: or are you waiting for the next time the wind
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: does the exact same thing. When you say go as
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: soon as possible, what do you what exactly do you
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: mean as quickly as you can get in there without
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: disturbing the deer? You know, I don't do a lot
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: of morning hunts in October. I like to know those
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: deer betted when I go into the farm, and you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: beating a big duck, beating a big buck into his
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: bed early season when he's on strip. Feeding pattern is
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: next to impossible early season. So I'm gonna take a chance.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And I've tried a few evenings. You could kill him
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and I can't get it done. And I know right
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: where he's betting. I've got to stand ready or I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: know the train need to be in for a morning hunt.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait till I get a good moon just
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: after daylight. Seems like that's your best chance to catch
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: them coming back just a little bit late in the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: mornings during early season. But yeah, I mean, you just
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: can't go stumbling right in just because you see him
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: do something and not put any thought into it in
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: a bust, name and ruin, ruining the whole you know,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: clue that you just got on what he's doing. I mean,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta be smart about it. You can't tip them off.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: So you gotta keep the wind in your face. You
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: gotta keep your keep your as much of your sin
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: eliminated as you can not leave anything behind. And you
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: know you can't go in and clear a tree like
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the utility company just came through. I mean, you just
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: gotta you gotta go. You gotta go in and do
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: it smart. Yeah, Now does that change it? Although during
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the run, because I always I have this internal dilemma myself. Right,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: if I see a buck do something on October one,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a decent chance he might do
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the same thing October two, because it's still relatively early.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: He's in that somewhat of a betting to feed pattern
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that's going to be hopefully kind of consistent. But if
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I see a buck do something on November two, hell,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: he might be two miles away the next day, or
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: he might have just been passing through a year behind
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the dough. If you make an observation in early November,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: during the heat of the rut, do you still make
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: a move on that observation or are you gonna say
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that was probably a random I mean, what do you
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: got to lose? You know? At that point, if you
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: see him to do something one day, um, why not
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: take a chance on him doing it again the next day? Yeah,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: So you go for it, you make you make that move.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah you might as Yeah, you might as well go
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: where you get nothing else to go on. I mean,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: we're not recreating the wheel here. If you see a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: buck make a mistake, whether it's in October November, you
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: might as well try to capitalize it, capitalize on it. Okay,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to be there if he does it again,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: because if not, it's my mistake. Yeah, that's the worst
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: feeling too. If you sit there and you debate back
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and forth. I I know because I've done this. I've
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: debated back and forth, and I'm gonna wait and see
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: if he does it twice, and then he does it
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: twice and I'm not there, that'll that'll stick with you. Um,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: all right, can you elaborate just a little bit on
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you know, how you're going in in season and doing
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: these hanging hunts, because you alluded to the fact that
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you have to be able to set up in a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: way that you're not going to spook that dear. Of course,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you can't clear out like a utility company. Um. But
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: for those that aren't already doing this kind of hanging
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: hunt often it might be helpful just to hear your
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: specific process. I mean, I'm kind of curious, like, do
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you go in there with three sticks or four? Do
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you trim any lanes at all? Or do you just
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: sneak up as quiet and don't touch a thing? Um?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Like your entire process would be kind of interesting just
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to hear how you're actually getting set up uptight to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: one of these spots in season, is only for evening
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: hunts or do you ever go into hours before daylight
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and try to do something in the morning like that
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: that's tough to pull it off in the morning in
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the dark. Um. Yeah, I don't do that very often
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: at all. I'll tell you a trick I did learn
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: though from Andre to Quisto, the original owner of Lone
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Wolf tree stands, keep going and set up for an
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: afternoon hunt, and then if it didn't pan out, he
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: might dive right back into that same stand the next morning.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: And I found that, you know, carrying all that equipment
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, stand sticks, bow, plus all my camera
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: equipment because I'm filming myself, that it's a lot easier
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: to go in and hunt in the evening and then
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: just leave everything in the tree. I mean, I leave
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: my bow hanging, leave my osonics hanging camera set up,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: everything's ready to go. Just climb up in your all set.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And I do that a lot for morning hunts, but
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: it's difficult early season to do that, and you can't
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: do that with a lot of um, with every tree
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: stand on the market and I've used, you know, low
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: wolf stuff forever. You know, being able to go in
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and hanging stands and a stick within a hundred yards
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: of a two hundred class white tail and not tip
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: him off, um to your presence is next to impossible.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: But I've been able to do it with their stuff,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: So I can't say enough about their equipment and the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: stealth and quietness other products. But yeah, you know, putting
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: that stuff on your back, not touching anything, being extremely
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: sent free with um, you know, from my gear to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: my clothes to my body, you know. And then when
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you go into a spot like that that you might
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: not have been in before, you never know what's going
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to show up on your down wind side. So you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not going into those spots without my sonys. Um.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: You just gotta cover all your bases and be prepared
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: for everything. And I do minimal trimming. UM. I don't
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: worry about taking five or six sticks in on a
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: spot like that and being thirty ft up. I hardly
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: ever hunt that high anymore. I'm more concerned about being
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: in the right spot and having a little bit of breakup.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: And it seems like sometimes the higher you go in
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the tree, the more you actually stand out. So I'm
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just concerned about being in the right spot and
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: on leaving any scent behind and being as quiet as possible.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Do you have a like a consistent process of how
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you get up in the tree quietly, because like, this
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: is something I've asked a handful of people about recently.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I've just been trying to make my hanging hunt process
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: more efficient and quieter and faster, and so I've started, um,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know, using a couple different gear ties that tied
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: two of the sticks to my hips. I put one
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: stick on the tree, I climb up, I hank, pull
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the one stick off of my hip, put on the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: next one, climb up, pull the other one off my hip,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: climb up, and then I have alignment's or I've got
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: a toe rope down to my bow and a toe
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: rope down to my standard platform. And once I get
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: up to my top position, then I already have those
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: ropes on my hips. I just pull each one up.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I don't have to go up and down at all.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Um That's something that I've just been slowly kind of
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: working on and trying to make it more efficient. Do
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: you do you have a system place I've tried. I've
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: tried that. If I haven't found anything that works for me, No,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it's definitely ill. It makes a big difference. Yeah, it
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: makes a big difference if you can obviously undo all
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: your straps before you climb up into the tree, so
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you're not messing around with all that stuff. And I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: use you know, I use that sound barrier tape and
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of cameo hockey tape on all of my
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: you know, buckles and straps and stands. I mean, I
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I pretty much eliminate any metal to metal contact on everything,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: so that it only it only takes one little you know,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: ting from a buckle hitting your stand to tip a
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: big deer off that might be better close by. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I mean you've got to cover all your basis and
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: not leave anything to chance. But yeah, yeah, I love
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: to have a tree with a lot of limbs so
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I can hang my sticks on the limbs as I'm
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: going up, so I have to keep climbing up back,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: up and down, up and down. But I haven't been
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: able to come across anything that really works good for
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: climbing up and keeping all your sticks on you trying
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to hang onto the tree and grab grab your sticks.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's it's tough, it's a process.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: What about it? What about this scenario? Um, let's say
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: you're going to go into do a hanging hunt. Maybe
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: you saw buck the night before, or maybe you just
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: are you know, you want to head to us spot.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: You're walking in and as you're walking in, you see
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: some great sign, fresh sign that looks like it just happened.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's a huge rub that just got tore
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: up a couple of day or just a couple of
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: hours ago, or last night or something. You see something
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: that catches your eye. UM, I'm curious. Would you say
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I need to hunt this right now and change your
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: plane and hunt that fresh hot sign right right now,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: or would you say, well, I'm gonna put that away
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: in the filing cabinet, keep that as mentel, but I'm
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: gonna stick with my plan. It just depends on the situation.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I just said I'll do everything I can
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: to hunt the freshest sign. So you're definitely going to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: take it into consideration. But you've got to be able
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: to read the read the area, and you know, read
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the deer and what he's doing and why he did it,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: which direction he's coming from, and and just so many
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: things come into play, and being able to read it
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and look at the big picture and see what's going on.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, you love to be able to set up
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: over top of a you know, freshly steaming scrape or
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you know, a rub that just reeks because it just
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: got shredded by a big deer and be right on
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the top of it. But it's really about, you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: looking at the big picture and why it happened and
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: why it's right there, and you know the best best
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: way to approach it. So it's tough to kind of
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: wrap all that up into one sentence and say what
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the truth. Um well,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: then explain this to me. What would it take? Like
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: can you imagine a scenario like that that would force
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you to hunt right then? Um? Like, is there is
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: there one specific instance like I might be imagined in
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: my head if I didn't have a really great game
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: plan for the night. I didn't see a buck the
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: night before, but I knew I wanted to try a
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: new spot, and I'm hiking into that new spot and
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I see this like you just described, I see this
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: huge tour up rub and it's it's stinky, and it's
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: obviously it wasn't there yesterday. Maybe, so I know what
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: happened between last night's walk out and this afternoon walking in,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: And I also know that I'm in a typical transition
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: area and the winds right for me to hunt. You know,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: if a buck were coming out of the betting area
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: is heading towards he might pass through the spot. That
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: scenario maybe to me, would say, Okay, you know what,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: this is a spot of mature buck might likely come through.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: And it looks like there was a buck that just
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: came through here last night doing that very thing. This
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: seems like a good thing to set up on right now. Um,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: is that the kind of scenario that you might jump
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: on that hot set right away? Or what's what's a
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: different scenario maybe that that would cause you to hit
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: it immediately In that way, you know, it's tough just
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: going by sign because you don't know if it was
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: made at the middle of the night, you know, So
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: what happens if you find that fresh hoot sign and
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: he set up on it, but everything is not lining
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: up for that deer to move during daylight? So you
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: hunt there, you don't see him. You get down after
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: dark and you bump him going out because he's still
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: moving after dark. You know. I mean, there's just so
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: many different scenarios to think about. But I mean, you know,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta go with your gut and if
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: it seems like a good thing and in fresh sign
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: and a great evening and you gotta stand on your back,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: why not take the crack at it. Yeah, it's hard
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: to it's hard to cart compartmentalize, you know, something like
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: that and say this is exactly what you gotta do.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you just gotta go with your gut instincts and
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: do it. He thinks, right. But the main thing I'm
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: looking for is is other than sign, is to catch
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: them that you're you're doing something during daylight. Because I
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: don't care what you say, they're just no way to
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: kill a big deer unless he's moving during daylight. Sounds oversimplified,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: but that's really what it's all about. I do everything
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I can to catch the big deer movement during daylight,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: whether it's seating from an observation stand, catching a picture
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: of him doing it, or like I said, just lining
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: up multiple factors. That's gonna put everything in that dear
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: savor to get him a moving early now, because if
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: we're trying to predict what he's gonna do before he
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: does it, you know, and if you got a good
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: win for him, got a good moon, it's pushing him
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: up and it's you know, it's a it's mother nature.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: You know, it's an instinctive urge for him to get
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: up and feed. And then you've got a weather pattern
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: that's you know, high bre metric pressure or a cool
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: front or something that's gonna push him to feed. I mean,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: those are things I'm I'm trying to line up. If
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just going and blind hoping that I'm going to
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: catch a big deer making a mistake, I want those
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: things in my favor. Yeah. Do you ever find a
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: situation where you don't get eyes on mature buck, Like
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you don't have any observations sightings of a deer you
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: want to shoot, You don't have any daylight trail camera
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: sightings of a buck you want to hunt, and you
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: find yourself in a position where you have to in
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: season actually go walk and look for a sign to
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: help put you in the right position. Or is it
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: always is there always going to be one of those
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: other pieces of intel, So you don't need to actually
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: do a walk about of any kind. Yeah, I've been
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: there before. The last thing you want to do is
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: spend you know, a week or two in October in
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: a completely different spot. And if you've got nothing to
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: go on, no pictures, no sign, I mean, what are
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: you gonna do climb up in a tree and just
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: hope something shows up. I mean, you gotta go find them.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: So worst case scenario if you've got nothing to go
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: on and it's time to get the wind in your
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: face and stand on your back and start, you know,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: start cruising and looking looking for something to hunt, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: you don't want to spend a couple of the best
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: weeks of the season in the completely wrong spot. Yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm not one of those guys that's just going
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: to climb up in a tree and just hope something
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: shows up, just based on the fact that there's a
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: big deer in the area. You know, you've got to
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: have something to go by, and if I don't have
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: anything to go by, I'm going to go find it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: We talked about rubs already, m a little bit about scrapes,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: but what about tracks. How much do you pay attention
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: to trying to find a big buck track? And and
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: does that ever kind of factor into your decisions or
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: into your scouting and use that as a as a
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle at all? Very seldom, to be honest.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I mean I've heard so many different explanations of tracks
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: and tracked sizes and the dow claws and if they're
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: spread apart, and how to tell a buck from a
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: dough And I mean, you know, see a big deer
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: track means there was a big deer there. I mean,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I decided him. I've never put a whole lot into
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: uh into tracks, to be honest. Well, scrapes though, we
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: talked just a little bit about it, But what kind
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: of scrape in season would you need to see to
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: get excited? Um, you know a lot of people see
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: these field edge scrapes, But then there's the talk that
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: that's probably nighttime, So then some people prefer scrapes and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: other locations. Um, where's your head on scrapes when you're
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: actually out there during hunting season? And how's that factor
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: in new things? Yeah, it really doesn't matter what type
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: of sign it is if it's you know, tracks, and trails, rubs, scrapes,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: whatever is. You want something that's fresh. But the key
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: that I'm looking for is a mature animal making that
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: sign during daylight. So I mean, they're gonna have a
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: trail camera on a trail, on a scrape, on a rub.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Get a look at that, dear, see what what it is,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: and when he's doing it before I'm typically before I'm
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: going to hunt it. Okay, Uh, you know, when I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: want some documentation, I'm gonna not gonna camp out on
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: a rub that a big year I'm after might not
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: have even made and ever visited. You know, do you do?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: You look at a daylight trail camera picture the same
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: as a daylight observation. So we talked about the fact
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: that if you saw a shooter buck in daylight moving,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you would go in there and hunt him as soon
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: as you possibly could. Would you do the same thing
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: or the camera If you've got a daylight picture, you're
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: moving in and hunting that camera location as soon as possible. Yeah,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: he's still moving during daylight. That's the main thing. Where
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: where where do your cameras typically go in season? I'm
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: guessing that you switch them from your summer locations but
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: is that is that true? If so, how I've got
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: them monitoring those mineral sights back in the cover, I've
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: got them on the um food plots, I've got them
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: on the rub lines. I mean anywhere anywhere think I'm
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: going to get a picture of that deer moving through
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: an area that it's gonna help me know where he's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: at and when he's there. It's all about, you know
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: the particular animal, where he's at, and where I think
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I need to be to kill him. You know, I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot of cameras set close
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to tree stands because I want to know when he's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: passing my tree standing daylight. So you need to have
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: a camera close to that stand on the trail. Do
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: you do anything to try to get better camera pictures?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Or do you place any kind of attracting in front
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: of most of your spots to try to get them
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: to stop there, or use licking branches or anything at
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: all on those typical camera sets. I'll use some set
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: occasionally get him to stop. Um. Like I said, I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: do have a lot of them on mineral sites, so
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: they're going to be stopping anyway. Um. We're putting them
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: on you know, like a rub or a scrape, But
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: you do want to put us somewhere where you've got
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: a pretty good chance of that you're stopping. Yeah, you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: don't want to put them perpendicular to your trail um
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: because I think you end up missing you know, pictures
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: of deer coming through. You want to catch them coming
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: towards the camera going away from it instead of just
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm talking about by perpendicularly. Yeah,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: you want to get a little of an angle so
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: they're not just gonna flash in and out of it immediately, right, Yeah,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: How many cameras are you typically running or how many
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: do you think it's let me rephrase the question. A
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: lot of people wonder how many cameras they might need
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: to effectively cover a certain area. So maybe let's let's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: let's start small. Let's say per forty acres. If we
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: think that maybe that's like a small property A lot
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: of people, maybe you can access. How many cameras per
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: forty acres on average do you think would be good
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to get a salad idea of what's out there? Is
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: that one camera is it? I mean obviously depends on
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: how many you can afford and how many might it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: might be one. It might be it might be one,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: it might be twenty. It depends on the property, you know,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: just being able to read the property and know what's
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: going on and how the deer using. I mean, sometimes
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: you can know if a deer is coming in out
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: of a property with one camera. Sometimes it takes multiple.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm hunting acres where that big deers in
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: and I think we've got fifteen cameras on there, but
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, exactly when that deer
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: comes in and off the property and worries at and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I've got you know, I've got it wired for sounds.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: So it's just it's just all about being able to
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: read the property. And you know, if if you've got
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: one specific area where the deer come in and out,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: it might only take one camera, right right, that's scenario
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: with that big buck. Again. Then we've been talking about
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: how do you think it's going to play out? Like
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm curious to hear if you if someone put
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: a gun to your head and said, Adam, you're gonna
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: kill that big buck. We think you're gonna kill that
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: big buck this year, But we we want you to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: guess the scenario of how it's going to happen. Um,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: You're forced to pick the spot you're gonna hunt. You're
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: forced to make a guess on where he's better and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: where he's coming to. You're forced to pick the night
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: or the day or the conditions it's going to happen. Um,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: walk me through your very best guess of how it's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: gonna come together and what you would have done to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: make that happen. I've got the three spots in particular
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: that I have ready for that deer where I think
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I get a crack at him, an
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: opportunity to an opportunity to kill him. In October, it's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: going to be in one of those three spots. It's
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: gonna be on an evening where you know he's got
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: a good wind in his favor to feel comfortable enough
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: to get up and move. Um, that there has been
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: notorious for showing up in my food plots on the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: red mood evenings from the Big Guide. So it's gonna
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: be a red moon evening. And yeah, but the knowing
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: when those days hit this month, I'm gonna have three
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: opportunities in October this year, beginning of the month the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: middle of the month and the end of the month,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: and I think one of those three times is probably
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: when it's gonna happen, if it happens, And those those
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: red moon days, just for those if they if they,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with the red moon theory, we
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: talked about it quite a lot in our other episode
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: we did together, So definitely listen to that whole one.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: But can you give us just that the quick cliff
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: notes um by by what that means and how you're
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: looking at that, just for those that aren't familiar. Yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: So I've been using the Moon Guide for twenty years
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: and it's just really about it has nothing to do
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: with the phase of the moon. It's about the position
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: of the moon in the sky and the gravitational pool
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: and how that affects maturitier to move because you only
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: have a handful of days each month when that mood
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: is peaking at prime time in the evenings, you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: and it's just another thing added to the wind and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: the weather to push that deer to get up and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: move during daylight when he's normally not going to do that.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: So those are the evenings I focus on, and like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I said, anytime you have multiple factors like the wind
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: in the moon, the weather in the moon, or all three,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it's about stacking the deck in your favorite.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: It's you know, putting everything in your favor that you
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: can do. And you know, after you're using the moon
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: guide for twenty years, I've just seen it happen and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: have killed too many big deer that just normally don't
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: move during daylight. But you killed him right when that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: moon peaked in the evening. You know it's it's not
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: a gain. I mean, it's Mother Nature. I didn't invent
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the mood. You know, the moon, the mood and the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: gravitational pool is strong enough to move the oceans, the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: biggest mass on this planet. You cannot tell me that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: that does not affect animals and fish to feed. I mean,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we've even really scratched the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: surface on how the mood affects animals and people and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and everything on this Earth. But you know, I've read
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: all the research. I've heard it, all the guys talk
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: about the moon. Dad doesn't supported affecting deer. I'm just
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: stop buying it, not until somebody goes out radio colors
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: a bunch of matured deer and falls them during season
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: and proves to maybe on a shadow of a doubt,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't affect him, because I'm going by what
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I've seen in the last twenty years, and I've killed
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of big deer, focusing on a lot of scouting,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: knowing my areas, and waiting until the wind, weather in
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: the moon is on my side. And most of the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: time I'm able to go in the first time and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: kill him if I can wait for that stuff to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: line up. So if somebody wants to argue with me
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: on on a better on, on a better regiment, you know,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: for killing big deer on all ears, but I'm just
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: going by what's worked for me, and that's that's worked
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: for twenty years. So that's what I focus on. Yeah,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: well I can't I can't argue with it. I know
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: that I've seen a lot of the same research that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: has shown what you said, that the moon doesn't have
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: a significant, statistically significant impact according some of these studies,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: and the same things that have said that cold fronts
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: don't impact deer movement and other things like that that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: so many of us can point to as as they're
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: being changed So I've always said that it just seems
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: like what they're measuring maybe is not the same things
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: that we care about as hunters. So total movement over
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: twenty four hour period, maybe it's not any different. But
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I don't care about total movement over twenty four period.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I care about is a buck over four and a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: half years old going to walk this extra fifty yards
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  Speaker 1: ten minutes earlier, and if he's going to do that,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: and that makes all the difference in the world for
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: me as a hunter. Maybe that's not significant to show
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: up in these large scale studies, but that's the kind
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: of thing that can make a difference to a hunt.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: So I've always thought I feel like there's something like
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: being lost in translation there um that would be really
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: interesting to see if we could somehow measure what the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: hunter would be impacted by, that would be really interesting
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: to me. So I'm I'm I've always been game to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: pay attention to all of it. And like you said,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know how important any one of these individual
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: factors is, but I'm gonna stack everyone that I can
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: together because you need every little bit, every odd possible
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: in your favorite because there's there's already so many things
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: out of your control. Why not take an advantage of
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: those things that you can exactly And I'll tell you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: a great way to measure it. I see it happen
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: every year. You watch social Gidia in October, and every
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: time that Red Moon peaks, there will be guys posting
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the pictures a big gear that they're killing right on
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: the Red Moon, regardless if they follow the moon or
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: use the moon guide. It happens every year. It's not
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: a hundred percent. You know, guys killed big deer on
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: days that aren't good. You know, a good mood, I
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: mean nothing, it's a dent. But every time that red
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: mood hits, like guarantee, you'll see a spike, a big
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: deer hits the ground right on the Red Moon days. Yeah,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I definitely. I think last year wasn't one of the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Red Moon uh time periods that like October six somewhere
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: in that ballpark was, Isn't that right? Yeah? I believe so, yep,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: because I remember I remember a whole lot of deer
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: you got killed right around that time period. And I'm
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: pretty sure if I remember correctly, it lined up with
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: those Red Moon dates. And that was something that a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: couple of us were discussing as it's pretty interesting to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: see that there was this very very high peak, um
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: like more noticeable than usually even so, it's interesting, it's something.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: There's definitely something I like to pay attention to. And um,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I'm insured. Why wouldn't you pay Why wouldn't you pay
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: attention to it? Guys pay attention to the web there
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: and their nature, but not the moon. I mean, what's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: the difference. You know, the moon is a satellite for
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Earth and affects us Earth so many different ways. Well,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: why would you why would you focus and be you know,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: have blinders on to just concentrate on weather and then
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: throw the moon out the window. That makes no sense
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I'll take it all. I'll take it all. Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Why not stack the deck in your favor? Yeah? So, so,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: speaking of of stacking the deck, I want to dive
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: a little further into your scenario though. So we're waiting
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: until one of these ideal sets of conditions, hopefully a
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: red moon and good weather or the moon and the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: wind or whatever it might be. Um, but you've got
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: three different spots you think it could happen. Could you
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: describe one of these just to help us understand, like
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: what kind of setup you have in mind to kill
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: a big buck um Like that kind of example I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: think would be really helpful for people. Yeah, so I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: think there's a deer um normally mostly beds in two places.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: One is right behind the farmhouse actually in an overgrown
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: you know, overgrown backyard basically, or in a CRP fielding
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: up close to the road along a little creek bed,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: and that you know, it's on the most down wind
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: side is farm, which is a very typical fur mature
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: deer in Ohio, we don't really have a southwest wind
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: and nine times out of ten of mature bucks gonna
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: live on the most northeastern part of the farm. So
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: whenever he gets up, you know, he's mainly going to
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: be on the most downwind side of the property and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: can go wherever he wants to win in his face.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: And that's what this deer is doing. And there's you know,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: there's a corn field he could hit up close to
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: the road, which I saw him do last year. I've
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: got a secluded to secluded um uh food plots the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: back end of the CRP and that he hits. Then
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: another corn field corner in the back of the property
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: then it hits so in his travel pattern right through
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the middle of that block, he can hit, you know,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: any one of those four spots. You know, I've got
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: stands and all four of those spots ready to go.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: When when he shows up normally in any of those spots,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: it's always in the same spot. So I mean, I've
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: got everything um prepared. I know how to get in
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: and out of the farm without tipping that deer off,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: which you know, was a big learning experience for me
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: because that deer betted in so many places, and most
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: of the time he was bedded close to the road
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and knew exactly what I was there, and I couldn't
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: figure it out. He'd show up for a day or
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: two on camera during daylight and I go down and
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: try to hunt him, and he disappeared, that deer dew
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: when I was there. He was watching me come in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: and out. Now that deer. I parked within ten yards
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: of that deer one time, did he me though? He
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: was there until I got up on my goat, up
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: on my ranger to pull it off the trailer, and
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: he jumped up in the middle of the guy's backyard,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: you know, And in six foot tall grass. I mean,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: so it's been a learning experience. But so what do
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: you have to do to adjust that that access point?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Do you just find a totally different side of the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: farm you can come in on, or or what have
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: you done? Now? Yeah? I just had to come in
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: from a completely different spot on the farm, not the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: not the typical spot where I come in. I can't
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: park the house, I can't park get the pull off
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: where I normally come in. I I basically got a
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: park off right off the road and go down the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: road and come in around the back side on the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: quiet cat and complete do a complete loop around the
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: farm so that deer doesn't know him there. What about
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: scenario like this where and then this is maybe a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: little bit of a stra from the theme of locating deer,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: But bear with me here. You're out there hunting and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: you have you don't have anything to work with, let's say,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: or at least nothing recent. Do you ever go to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the idea of blind calling to try to locate a deer?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Will you ever be in a situation for like, damn it,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I just gotta start rattling a lot and try to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: pull something in or grunt because nothing's showing up, um,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: and I need to force the issue. And I know
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: this is a time of year dependent um, but how
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: often does that of a factor into your your thought process.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: I'll do blind calling in November, but I really don't
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: like to do it earlier when I'm after a specific
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: dear because I think calling success really depends on your setup.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: You know, can you labor is good? Yeah, mature, You're
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: is gonna try to get down WINDOMVI or coming from
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: down windo of via when you're calling, and my stups.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I like to put myself in a spot where either
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: a big dear kid get down wind of me, or
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: if he tries to my location UM that I'm set
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: up in forces him within bow range to try and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: get down wind of me. I mean it's I think
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: it's deadly to be set up a early season within
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: earshot of a big in his bed and do a
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: little light calling UM while he's still laying there, to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: give him something to think about in a direction to
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: head once he gets up. You know, I think you're
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: in a little competition in this area and something's going
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: on and he needs to get up and check it
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: out and investigate. But yeah, it's tough to be successful
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: on blind calling, But I mean in November, you know
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: it's all about time in the stand and bucks are cruising.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: You never know when one might just be just out
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: of eyesight that here's your calling and responds to it.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: So and all of a sudden I can come together.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: That's kind of scenario. About the scenario yep, ye. Do
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: you ever get to the point where you're in season
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: and you have to rewind all the way to the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: tactics you're using in the summer? So by that, I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: mean you get to the point where you have to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: pull out of your hunting locations completely and get back
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: on the road and glass fields from the road again
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: to try to find a buck um like in November
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: or late season, maybe deer have all shifted again and
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: you're trying to relocate where these bucks are feeding. Do
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: you ever go to that extreme? Yeah? Sometimes you ask
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: you if they disappear, buck you're after got killed or
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, there's hundreds of different scenarios where things
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: change up and you've got to change your tactics and
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: go back to square one. But you've only got a
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: certain amount of time to get it done. So you've
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: got to do whatever whatever it takes during season. Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I like what you said earlier that that sometimes or
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: correct maybe clarify this, but I think you said something
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: on the lines of you scout more then you hunt,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: even during in the season. Is that Is that accurate
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: as far as spending those times observing from a distance
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: or doing different things, um to just narrow your hunts down.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: I've been slowly moving more and more of that direction
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: that I'd rather have a lot of information that leads
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: me to a few really, really good sits. I'd rather
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: have that than a bunch of sits that are just
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: kind of willy nilly. Yeah. Yeah, I read um read
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: a story by Miles Killer years ago that talked about
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: hunting from the outside in and what his whole thought
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: process was that he would start from the you know,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: the outskirts of a buck's territory and just keep classing
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: and monitoring the area from a distance and just some
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: methodically keep moving in closer and closer and closer until
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: he knew the exact tree you needed to be in
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: and the exact win that you're needed, and you know,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: really kind of adapted that over the years into what
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: I do and you know, it's it's all about hunting
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: and hunting and hunting and hunting, scouting for that you know,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: that one spot to kill him, you know, So I'd
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: really think it is a lot more scouting. What do
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: I say, hunting and scouting kind of kind of talking
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: about the same thing until you find that kill spot.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: You're actually hunting for that kill spot. I guess it's
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: a good way to describe it. You're hunting for that
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: you know, special spot, that weak spot or that place,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: that a spot where you can kill a deer. So
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I guess that's really the best way to describe it,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: as I'm constantly hunting and scouting for that perfect spot
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: to kill the deer that I'm after because of what
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: you find it, you know what you find where you
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: need to be, and you wait for everything to line up,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: you go in and kill him. How how often? How
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: often when you have that situation like, what are you
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: what kind of confidence level do you have at this
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: point in your hunting career and journey? What percent chance
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: do you feel like when you when you find a
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: spot like this that you feel good about and the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: conditions line up and you're going for your first set
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: is it like a fifty proposition for you? Do you?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're just ball parking here, but
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: what do you usually feel like you? Are you so
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: confident you've got this narrow down so much that seven
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: times out of ten you're getting it done. Now nine
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: times out of ten. Wow, that's that's what it's been
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: with all of my biggest books. So what about the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: if you do? If you do, if you do all
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: the scouting, define the right spot, and you can be
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: patient enough to wait for everything to line up, and
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: you haven't alerted that dear to your presence, and he's
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: still moving onto his natural pattern and he's got all
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: those you know, natural instinctive pushes to get him up moving.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no reason why it shouldn't happen if
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: you do everything right. So, so, since we talked last
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: time on the podcast, you killed your fourth two plus
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: deer and that buck, as I understand it, there was
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit of this kind of scenario that we've
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: been discussing. It took some some working to locate him
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: with with cameras and then some some observation type stuff.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Can you walk through that example, how you located that buck,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: how you narrowed down where the spot was and where
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the weak spot was and how you ultimately killed him.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Could you kind of walk through that well, it was
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: in Kansas, it was in an area I was familiar with,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: but I hadn't hunted that specific farm yet. But we
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: had a camera in there on the middle of the property,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: and that you're just showed about to nowhere third week
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: of October, the middle of the night. I didn't figure
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: he was living on the farm. The farm was located
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a block about two miles long
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: and a mile wide, so I had a pretty good
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: idea he was living on that block, but not on
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: the farm. But he was coming through there, just keeping
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: tabs on does now We had um food out in
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: front of the camera, obviously to attract deer. There's to
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: get pictures of them. So it was a couple of
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: weeks away from the next red moon and within moving
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. I wasn't in a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: rush to run right out there, although I knew it
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: was a two giant, so I just kept kept monitoring
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: the camera. Obviously a wireless camera out there, so I
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: knew what was going on. Started studying, really studying the
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: aerials of the photo of the property, and there was
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: really only a couple of spots where I thought a
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: deer like that would be coming in and out of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: the farm. So I knew what I needed to focus
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: on when I got out there and where I wanted
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: to look. So the moon was suposed to peak sometime
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: the end of the first week in November. I believe
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: I headed out there on Halloween day, full day drive.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Deer were starting to move a little bit closer to daylight,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: but still you know, after dark, but not the middle
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: of the night, getting closer to evening. Got out there
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: was super hot, new deer weren't going to be moving much.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: I went into the two spots actually the two back
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: corners of the farm that looked like typical areas where
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: deer would come in and out. Um The camera was
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: set up in the middle of the farm, so I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: didn't know where exactly he was coming in and out.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: But one spot really looked to me like it was
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: the spot. I mean, it was back corner, very secluded,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: really low, really really secluded um Creek running through their
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: multiple fence lines crossing, I mean just like a just
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: like a hub of activity. Deer could come from any direction.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: And and the key to it was there was a
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: really deep creek bed that ran the distance of the
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: property right back to that corner. So I could literally
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: jump down in this creek that was like ten ft
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: deep but it only had a couple inches of water
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: and get right into that corner without making any noise,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: without disturbing anything. I really figured that was my best
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: chance of killing that during that corner, so got in there,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: hung a stand. Um, I really didn't know, you know,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: like I said, what direction was coming from, because they
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: could come from so many different directions. So I really
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: had to rely on being clean and um counting on
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: the ozonics to cover you know, cover my down wind side.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: And it was one of those spots where you know,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: you could get in and out of there day after
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: day and not really worry about spooking anything. So I
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: think I hudded it that spot three or four times
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: that week. I did hunt the other corner a couple
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: of times, but I just wasn't feeling it over there. Um.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I knew my chances were going to get better later
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: in the week as the mood got closer and closer
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: to prime time. It didn't really cool off a whole lot.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: I think it was like seventy five degrees on on
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: that Saturday when I finally killed him. But it was
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: an hour and a half before dark, really hot. Wasn't
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: even expecting anything to be up and moving yet. And
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: that deer shows up in the broad daylight on my
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: down one side, of course, I thank god does on
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: a kee's running. And you know, I killed the biggest
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: deer of my life when there was no rhyme of
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: reason for that near to be up and moving that
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  Speaker 1: early on the I think that they're sixth of November.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's just up moving, doing his thing, moving
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  Speaker 1: into the wind. Had to win in his favor. The
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  Speaker 1: moon was peaking that evening, and it was just one
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  Speaker 1: of those things where you read the sign, you just
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: kind of look at the big picture. What's a big
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  Speaker 1: deer need to do to move through this property and
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable enough to move um during daylight? And uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what else to say about. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's just the way that it happened. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I ended up killing the biggest deer in my life.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Now you bring up something that I think
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  Speaker 1: is worth expanding on which is um, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: buck did what he thought he had due to to
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  Speaker 1: be safe or something on those lines. And this brings
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  Speaker 1: to mind an idea that we we hear occasionally that
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  Speaker 1: you know, a mature buck is almost a different animal
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  Speaker 1: completely than all the other deer out there. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that helped me a lot at some
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: point my deer hunting journey was I used to just
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: be like trying to hunt deer, and I would set
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: up in spots where I can see a bunch of deer,
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  Speaker 1: but you were never actually getting a shot at a
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  Speaker 1: mature deer. Once you realize you have to switch and
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: start hunting this totally different animal, then you have to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: think about things in a different way, and you start
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: hunting different places or hunting closer to these places in
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: a different kind of way. UM. So all that is
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  Speaker 1: to say, what are some of the other things you
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  Speaker 1: found the mature buck does differently, or that you're thinking
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  Speaker 1: about when trying to guess where he's going to move
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  Speaker 1: or how he's going to move. You talked about this
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  Speaker 1: area being a hub and all these things going for it.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine you were seeing some of these things and
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: you thought to yourself because of this, or because I
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: know mature buck likes this kind of thing, or mature
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  Speaker 1: buck tends to move in this kind of way, this
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  Speaker 1: is the spot. Are there any things like that that
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  Speaker 1: you can that you can speak to that come to
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  Speaker 1: mind that are unique to how mature buck travels or
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: thinks or acts. The only thing I really think that
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  Speaker 1: is unique about it is the majority of the deer
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  Speaker 1: and they and they are a different creature, and the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: majority of the deer and the deer herd are going
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: to be doing the same things that he's doing. They're
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: just doing it more consistently during daylight. In a big
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: old mature buck is still doing the same thing. He's
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  Speaker 1: just doing it on very specific days during daylight. Those
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  Speaker 1: big deers just don't make mistakes and they just don't
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: move that much during daylight or or they die. You know,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: they've learned what they need to do to survive. And
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: the unique thing about it is when they do it,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: you know, they do it for very specific reasons during daylight.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, I don't think it's rocket science
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think you know, uh, animals any different
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  Speaker 1: than a mature hundred fifty but I do think the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: mature animal that's learned the game of survival is doing
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  Speaker 1: things differently, just from the sole reason that his main
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: goal is to survive and he's not going to make
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: any mistakes. So you've got to really hone in on
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: not only what he's doing, but when he's doing it.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: It's all about timing. The timing. The timing is really
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the key to it. When is that you're going to
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: do it during daylight so you can kill him and
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: not tipping him off before you do it. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: getting those high quality hunts. Getting a couple of high
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: quality hunts just seems to be so much more important
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: then than a whole bunch of credits. Yeah, it's all
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: about quality over quantity. Hunting smarter not harder, novembers. When
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: you want to hunt harder, you know, there's guys that
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: their hunt and then there's a guy that hunt specific deer.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: When you're on a specific deer, you've got hunt smarter,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: not harder. Yeah. Is there is there anything that we've
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: missed when it comes to this specific idea of locating
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: them of zeroing in on them. Um, I feel like
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: we've covered a whole lot different facets of it. But
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: is there anything that's still jumping around your mind that
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: you think that be horrible if we left it out
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: before shutting things down here? I don't know, man, you've
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: been pretty through on my brain that we've missed anything. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Well in that case, um, you know, where where can
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: folks find a couple of things? Because you're doing a
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: lot of really interesting things out there in the deer
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: hunting world. You're producing content, you're help putting out the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: moon Guide out there in new ways. Where can people
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: find everything that you've got out there? Oh, Team two Hunter,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: there's everything content wise that we're doing. Dot Com is
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: the website for the show, and you can catch it
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: on Waypoint TV, which is a free app runs on
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: the Pursuit channel. You know, we've got a lot of
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: great content on the show. And then as far as
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: the moon Guide goes, moon Guide dot Com we just
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: launched a new app. Um you can get it on
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: the Apple Store or Google Play search and Deer Hunter's
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Moon Guide, um, you know, and you can get either
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: of them from from the from the website, so perfect.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: And then of course social media, the team to Enter
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: TV Facebook page and moon Guide Facebook page, so awesome. Well,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I just got to check out the moon Gut app
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: and that's really nice having that right there on your
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: phone there easily shows the the moon rise and rise
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: and set times, the sun rise and set times. I
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: like the fact that you guys then call at the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: peak activity times and where to focus. So for anyone
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: that's intrigued by the moon theories, if you want to
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: learn more about that, I know, Adam you've got a
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: whole lot of different videos and you talk about in
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: your your TV show, but we also dove into it
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: in a lot of detail on that previous podcast, episode two,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: and um uh it's it's very interesting intrigue and I
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: definitely follow along, and um I keep it. I keep
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: it as one of those tools that can help guide
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: me when I need to know a little bit. Just
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: like you said, all the little odds you can stack
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: in your favor and when you're trying to pick the
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: right time, I'm going to consider every factor. So it's
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: something I'm looking at and I appreciate it, so man,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: glad to help. I think I think a lot of
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: folks are going to learn something from this today. And
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: um the only downside that is probably gonna be more
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: big deer hitting the ground, which means fewer for you
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: and me in the future. But we appreciate you sharing,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: sharing all your experience, Adam, no problem, man, I appreciate
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: you having me on the show again. All right, and uh,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: let's talk sooner than four years from now. Okay, yeah, yeah,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: let's see that sounds good. Alright, good luck hunting the
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: rest of this season too, man, Thank you, and that
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: will do it. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one. Lots
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: of great info and ideas from Adam and Man. If
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: you're not already hunting, it is almost here, so get ready,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: get excited, and until next time, stay wired to the beat.
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  Speaker 1: And became