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AGING WITH POWER: Iconic Fashion Designer Norma Kamali Teaches Us How to Boldly Live Through Each of Life's Decades (PRETTY INVINCIBLE) · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: Fashion legend.
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  Speaker 3: Norma Kamali is one of the first American female designers,
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  Speaker 3: and she's cool.
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  Speaker 1: As you.
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  Speaker 3: Started Norma Kamali in nineteen sixty seven, you were a
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  Speaker 3: complete maverick. At seventy five, She's built a wildly successful
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  Speaker 3: empire and fulfilling an authentic life. The secret, she says,
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  Speaker 3: is learning to age with power at your age.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I would have had a handbook.
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  Speaker 3: She's given us one with her new book, I Am Invincible.
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  Speaker 3: We talked through the triumphs and failure of each of
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  Speaker 3: life's decades and how to live boldly through all of it.
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  Speaker 3: So I went to Art Bottle two years ago in
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  Speaker 3: Miami and I was twenty eight years old, and I
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  Speaker 3: was wearing a Norma Kamali dress and this very chic
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  Speaker 3: woman in a white blouse and a red lip came
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  Speaker 3: up to me and she said, I'm sorry to bother you,
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  Speaker 3: but I need to know who makes your dress. And
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  Speaker 3: I said it's Norma Kamali and it was like kind
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  Speaker 3: of a I'm green Rufe dress. And she said, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god. I'm seventy four years old. And when I
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  Speaker 3: was in my thirties, I was wearing Norma Kamali. She
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  Speaker 3: knows how to make clothes that.
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  Speaker 1: Fit with That is so funny. That's so great.
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard of a designer that spans so many
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  Speaker 3: generations of girls and women. And when you're in business
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  Speaker 3: for over fifty years, you're known for different things at
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  Speaker 3: different times, and I'm curious as to what you think
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  Speaker 3: Norma Kamali is known for now today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty authentic. I'm my own kind of designer. But
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  Speaker 1: I think I somehow connect to women who have a
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  Speaker 1: certain type of personality. And I can't really describe the
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  Speaker 1: personality except the guy I'm with who's very conservative, and
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  Speaker 1: he said to me, and he was actually thinking he
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  Speaker 1: was complimenting me, and I'm not sure if it is,
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  Speaker 1: but he said, your clothes are brazen and I said,
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  Speaker 1: how what and he said, no, I think it's great,
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  Speaker 1: like there is confidence and you know, and a force.
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  Speaker 1: And so I at first I thought, Raisin, I mean
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  Speaker 1: a brazen person is kind of obnoxious and everything. But
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  Speaker 1: then I thought about it and I thought, my clothes
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  Speaker 1: are not quiet. Even even a white shirt and a
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  Speaker 1: black pant I make, it's not going to be quiet.
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  Speaker 1: It is something, But it's more about the person that's
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  Speaker 1: in them. That person is can be brazen, can be bold,
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  Speaker 1: can be brave, and the connection of that personality to
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  Speaker 1: the clothes is really the right thing to do. The
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  Speaker 1: clothes are not for everyone, but there are more and
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  Speaker 1: more women who understand the kind of self confidence and
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  Speaker 1: the joy of being a woman, and that power. It
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  Speaker 1: comes in every way, and power can be through what
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  Speaker 1: you do. It can be through your hopes and dreams
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  Speaker 1: and reaching them, but it's also comes through your physicality
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  Speaker 1: and the stance. And this is anybody type too. If
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  Speaker 1: you look at my Instagram or all of the people
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  Speaker 1: that post and tag me on Instagram, and I see
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  Speaker 1: these amazing, gorgeous photographs that are better than so many editorials,
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  Speaker 1: and it's all these different women around the world in
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  Speaker 1: different body types wearing the clothes. But they're all a
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  Speaker 1: little brazen. They're all like they have it together and
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  Speaker 1: they're they're looking good. And so I think that there's
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  Speaker 1: the personality. It can be any age, and that's that's
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  Speaker 1: the driving force. I was so interested in.
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  Speaker 3: Your book to read that even though you are a
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  Speaker 3: fashion designer, you believe in having a uniform. And I
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  Speaker 3: was wondering, first of all, what is your uniform and
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  Speaker 3: also what do you think your personal style conveys.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's more about what clothes make you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you, that you feel so good about how
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  Speaker 1: you look and feel in them, that you perform at
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  Speaker 1: your best. You get the job done. You do what
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  Speaker 1: you have to do, and so those are uniforms. And
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  Speaker 1: the uniform can change over a period of time, and
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  Speaker 1: the uniform can be as simple as jeans and a
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  Speaker 1: T shirt and help doing jewelry with it. But I
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  Speaker 1: think uniforms are very important. And I'm sure you have
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  Speaker 1: a uniform. I'm sure you can open your closet and
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  Speaker 1: go to certain things for everything, like if you have
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  Speaker 1: a question, those are the pieces that you feel good in. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny. I think when you're younger.
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  Speaker 3: You buy a lot of things because you don't know
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  Speaker 3: what your style is and you kind of waste money
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  Speaker 3: and time. And I call it decision fatigue, like you
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  Speaker 3: don't know what to wear and now I know, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: black jeans, white T shirt, leather coat, I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no, So that's exactly it. That's exactly right, and
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  Speaker 1: you'll change it up too. But you know, your twenties
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  Speaker 1: are so important, which is really what's been difficult for
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  Speaker 1: the gen Z group in their twenties through COVID, where
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  Speaker 1: you're not able to be exploring that side of who
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  Speaker 1: you are and really learning from it every day. So
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  Speaker 1: your twenties or when you learn about how you relate
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  Speaker 1: in relationships, and how you relate sexually to other people, well,
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  Speaker 1: how you relate to your performance on a job, what
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  Speaker 1: you're really good at and what you enjoy doing, and
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  Speaker 1: what you know like this is so not for me,
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  Speaker 1: and then figuring out what your personal style is. And
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  Speaker 1: through my twenties, I would say from sixteen to twenty nine,
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  Speaker 1: I wore so much makeup, individual lashes, the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: every day, like not for a special occasion, every day.
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  Speaker 1: My hair would take forever, and I literally with all
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  Speaker 1: of the art classes I ever took were right here
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  Speaker 1: on my face. And it was a process that I
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  Speaker 1: look at now and I remember how much I loved
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  Speaker 1: doing it and how you know I would just the
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  Speaker 1: minute I started sweating, it all came apart. But but
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  Speaker 1: I really found out who I was through that process,
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  Speaker 1: who I've wanted to present. And then the more you
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  Speaker 1: know about yourself then you're it modifies and it changes
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  Speaker 1: and you become more expressive in a specific way, and
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  Speaker 1: that's when your confidence builds and you know you know
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  Speaker 1: you know who you are I am.
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  Speaker 3: I really want to talk about your twenties because I
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  Speaker 3: actually didn't know your backstory and then, well, I have
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  Speaker 3: so many questions about your book, but first I want
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  Speaker 3: everybody to know about your story. So you graduated from
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  Speaker 3: FIT and you decided you were going to start a
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  Speaker 3: clothing line, and I was trying to research designers. DVF
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  Speaker 3: was founded in nineteen seventy two, Donna Karen in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty four. You started Norma Kamali in nineteen sixty seven.
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  Speaker 3: You were a complete maverick. I mean I think the
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  Speaker 3: only one I could find was Coco Chanell before you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Coco Chanel was waiting.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, but she was the only one I found on Google,
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  Speaker 3: like could not You were such a maverick. How the
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  Speaker 3: hell did you decide you were going to do this
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  Speaker 3: when it was such a man's game.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the thing that life does is and this is
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  Speaker 1: really super important. I never wanted to be a fashion designer.
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  Speaker 1: I hated the idea of it. I hated the pretentious
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  Speaker 1: concept of it. And I wanted to be a painter.
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  Speaker 1: And I studied anatomy and life drawing and I was
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  Speaker 1: very dedicated to it for many years. And I got
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  Speaker 1: a scholarship to FT for a fashion illustration and I
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  Speaker 1: also got a painting scholarship so when I went to FT,
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  Speaker 1: I was studying illustration, not fashion. When I graduated from FIT,
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  Speaker 1: I went on my first job interview for a fas
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  Speaker 1: illustration position. I really thought. I wore very hard on
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  Speaker 1: my portfolio and I was excited to get this job.
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  Speaker 1: And it was in the garment center and I can
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  Speaker 1: remember exactly what I wore, my hair, the way I
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  Speaker 1: looked everything. I wore a black dress with black pumps
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  Speaker 1: and stockings. Remember this is mad mean time. I go
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  Speaker 1: into this office and the guy has his feet up
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  Speaker 1: on his desk and he's eating a tuna sandwich and
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  Speaker 1: he says to me, young lady, put your portfolio down
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  Speaker 1: and come here and turn around for me. And I
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  Speaker 1: was just so unprepared for that. I just didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what that meant. Why am I turning around for him?
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  Speaker 1: I was so naive and I turned around and I
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  Speaker 1: just started crying and I grabbed my portfolio and I
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  Speaker 1: ran out. He was the power in the room. I
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  Speaker 1: needed this job. I worked so hard for it. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember coming back and my mother said, you better
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  Speaker 1: get a job, and you know, pay the rent if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to live here. And I was like, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: I did not get the job, and I decided to
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  Speaker 1: get a job at an airline. So I got a
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  Speaker 1: job and in the office of Northwest Airlines. My goal
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  Speaker 1: was to travel, and I traveled to London every weekend
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  Speaker 1: for twenty nine dollars round trip, and I went. My
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  Speaker 1: first trip to London was at the very beginning of
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  Speaker 1: that sixties revolution that everybody has heard about. I saw
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  Speaker 1: it from the beginning for four years, and I became
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  Speaker 1: friends with with a lot of musicians, with people in
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  Speaker 1: all of these new creative world and I loved fashion then.
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  Speaker 1: I was definitely very into it. When I first came
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  Speaker 1: back to New York. Everybody up until that point in history,
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  Speaker 1: in history, women did not wear dresses above their knees.
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  Speaker 1: They covered their knees. I came back from London with
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  Speaker 1: dresses that were mid thy. You came back with a
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  Speaker 1: mini dress. Yeah, And you would have thought the reaction
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  Speaker 1: on the street. The cars were stopping screaming at me
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  Speaker 1: like I was a prostitute because I was showing my knees. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember how radical that was, how profound, this
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  Speaker 1: bold action of walking down the street in a dress
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  Speaker 1: that was mid thy, not covering my knees. It was
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  Speaker 1: so brazen. But what it indicated was that everything from
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  Speaker 1: that moment on was going to be new and bold
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  Speaker 1: and brazen. Amusing that word again, lived your life like that?
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  Speaker 1: Since then? That's what I garnered from your book. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that was the beginning for me. And I brought
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  Speaker 1: clothes back for friends, and then I decided to open
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  Speaker 1: a store and literally sell the clothes I was bringing back.
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  Speaker 1: And then within a very short time, I started to
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  Speaker 1: make styles that I wanted to see myself. And that's
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  Speaker 1: how I got into it. I did not have a plan.
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  Speaker 1: I did this wasn't you know, like, this is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do. And I thank that man over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over again. And the word here, the
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  Speaker 1: advice here is these are the people that when you
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  Speaker 1: look back different things that happen in your life, these
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  Speaker 1: are the people that you sank for making you so
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  Speaker 1: miserable that you take a bold action in another direction,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's leaving a relationship, leaving a job, just making
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  Speaker 1: a big, big turn. And so I thank this man
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  Speaker 1: because I could have gotten a job in his company
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  Speaker 1: and been in the back room of some dinky fashion
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  Speaker 1: company that nobody even knew about, and maybe just stayed
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  Speaker 1: in that world not that happy. Yeah, I know that
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  Speaker 1: you really enjoy meditation.
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  Speaker 3: And when I was learning a few years ago, the
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  Speaker 3: person who taught me said, at the very end, you
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  Speaker 3: send love to somebody who's hurt you. And at the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: it was very difficult for me to do that. And
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  Speaker 3: now it's a very similar sentiment to what you said,
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  Speaker 3: and it's beautiful to get to that place. You do
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  Speaker 3: have to thank those people. They push shot in the
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  Speaker 3: right direction. So, okay, you start this store, and then
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  Speaker 3: you meet your first husband, which I was laughing reading
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  Speaker 3: the book. You met him at the first New York
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  Speaker 3: City club that had a live DJ. So you clearly
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  Speaker 3: love to dance. Yeah, and you were like, he's handsome
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  Speaker 3: and we dance all together, so why not get married?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the perfect reason for a nineteen year old. Also,
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  Speaker 1: at the time, you wouldn't just live with somebody, or
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  Speaker 1: you just wouldn't leave your home. A girl would always
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  Speaker 1: stay in our house until she got married. And so
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  Speaker 1: I got married. And we were two lost souls that
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  Speaker 1: found each other. But we were kids. We were so
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  Speaker 1: young and so naive. But he was gorgeous, he was
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  Speaker 1: great looking, and we met because we the dj knew
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  Speaker 1: both of us, introduced us and he suggested that we
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  Speaker 1: entered the dance contest that evening, and we did and
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  Speaker 1: we won, and so we would enter dance contests to
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  Speaker 1: get money and that was like our gig. And then
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  Speaker 1: we finally opened this store together. And at that point
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  Speaker 1: we were married and he was studying economics and he
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  Speaker 1: sold the clothes in the store while I was working
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  Speaker 1: at the airline. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And so you two eventually split up, and the way
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  Speaker 3: you were describing that time of your life, correct me
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  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, seems like maybe one of the most
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  Speaker 3: difficult moments because he kind of stole from you.
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  Speaker 1: I think what happens when I discovered that I had
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  Speaker 1: this talent and were the clothes were really selling, and
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  Speaker 1: I was getting recognition for it, and I was very shy,
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  Speaker 1: so I was never outgoing about it. He was much
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  Speaker 1: more outgoing. But I think he started to get threatened
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  Speaker 1: by the power that I was starting to have. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the seventies, right, so you have to understand
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  Speaker 1: women had zero power, zero, and so men basically ran everything.
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  Speaker 1: They did everything. I believed, like every other woman, that
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  Speaker 1: men could run a business better, they could handle money better,
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  Speaker 1: they could do all of these things. So he controlled
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  Speaker 1: the money, and I didn't care. I was just so
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  Speaker 1: happy to be designing. But he started to spend a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money on going out, and then he was
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  Speaker 1: dating the sales girls at the same time. And one
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  Speaker 1: salesgirl I fired, he rehired her, I fired her, he
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  Speaker 1: rehired her again, and was buying her gifts, rolexes and
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  Speaker 1: all of that craziness. And so she came to the
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  Speaker 1: sample room and said to me, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: designing clothes now on. And I looked at her, like okay,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, so, here are some of my ideas
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  Speaker 1: I'd like you to do. And I looked at her,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, I have to go now. I have
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  Speaker 1: to leave this company. And this was my company, this
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  Speaker 1: was everything that I built. And I left, and I
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  Speaker 1: had ninety eight dollars because he controlled the money, and
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  Speaker 1: I also we were just separated, and I had an
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  Speaker 1: apartment with nothing but a mattress. I had no curtains,
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  Speaker 1: I had no furniture, and I didn't have a clue
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  Speaker 1: about what I was going to do, except I knew
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  Speaker 1: that I had to leave because my soul, my spirit,
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  Speaker 1: would just die if I stayed there. And as much
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  Speaker 1: as I would not feel very empathetic to this woman
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  Speaker 1: at that point, but at this point, I say, there's
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  Speaker 1: another thank you. She was the catalyst that forced me
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  Speaker 1: out of that relationship. I would have stayed if it
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  Speaker 1: would have been in this middle zone right between not
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  Speaker 1: between great and awful, but somewhere in between, knowing that
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  Speaker 1: it was not good but it wasn't painful. But she
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  Speaker 1: made sure that I felt pain and I was. I
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  Speaker 1: again look at that situation, So again the story is,
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  Speaker 1: there are things that force you to leave and you
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  Speaker 1: have to do it. And I didn't have a plan.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know how I was going to go on
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  Speaker 1: with ninety eight dollars, Like what could you possibly do?
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  Speaker 1: But that was the most important thing that I did
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  Speaker 1: that and then figuring out the rest of it was
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  Speaker 1: sort of just the process of learning that I have
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  Speaker 1: to know how to run a business. I have to
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  Speaker 1: tell people my story, I have to tell them what
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  Speaker 1: I need. I was so quiet, nobody knew that I
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  Speaker 1: was unhappy or that this stuff was going on, and
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  Speaker 1: then realizing by telling people they could help me and
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  Speaker 1: that I could borrow money and that i'd be able
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  Speaker 1: to pay it back, and that there was a door
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  Speaker 1: opening for me now that would never open had I
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  Speaker 1: not gone and left the company.
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  Speaker 3: I was reading that you said, like you hired people
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  Speaker 3: that were older and more experienced than you, and they
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  Speaker 3: would take advantage. They would say no, it's impossible to do.
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  Speaker 3: They would take naps, and so it forced you to
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  Speaker 3: learn every aspect of the business, which was another thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, it's always you know, the incredible thing
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  Speaker 1: about youth is when there's a problem, there's an overreaction
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  Speaker 1: when you're young, like, oh my god, it's the end
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  Speaker 1: of the world. Instead of with age and experience, you say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me take a look at this. It's time to go.
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  Speaker 1: I got we've got I got to get out of here.
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  Speaker 1: So instead of overreacting when you're younger and hyperventilating over
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  Speaker 1: every problem and any you know, obstacle, it's take a
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  Speaker 1: look at it. What do you what? What's the learning
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  Speaker 1: process here? What are you supposed to be doing? Listen
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  Speaker 1: to the universe. The universe is telling you every day
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  Speaker 1: what you need to do, and it's these signals, these
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  Speaker 1: things that cause pain or people or situations, they're meant
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  Speaker 1: to be there to get you to go on the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: right path.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope you don't mind if I get a
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: little personal. So I turned thirty this year, and being
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: from Chicago in the Midwest, a lot of people I
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: grew up with are starting to either be married or
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: have children, and I just.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Launched a podcast. I don't have any events.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: And I got so much I think solace like a
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: validation reading your book, because you said this, The idea
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: that we'll have one job, one relationship, one source of
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: happiness is hopelessly outdated. We all feel unnerved by this upheaval.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: We're concerned that our lives are not what we expected,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: but we veered off course living life out of order.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But we're not alone.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: So as I was reading your book, I thought, I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: not living life out of order.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody is living life out of order.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: And it's okay to sort of reimagine what our life
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: looks like and live unconventionally. You did that before this
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: sort of spiritual awakening that I think we're all having,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Like that was just in your heart.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: How did you know? Well, I didn't know, but I
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: knew one of the things. And you should personally think
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: about this too. Because you're very much in the same
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: mindset that I was at your age. What happens is
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it's very important to know your purpose right and I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: talk about it in the book, but I mean it
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: because it's so incredible. It's helpful in many ways. I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: knew I wanted a creative life. I knew it from
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: day one, and I didn't just know it and then
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: not pay attention to that. I knew it and I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: respected that, and all the decisions I made in my
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: life considered the fact that I needed to have a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: creative life. I also knew that my purpose would include
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: being of service to women, making women feel good, sharing
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: my experiences with women, whether it's through healthy lifestyle or whatever,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: aging with power, whatever. So at thirty I understood what
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was important for me. And when people would ask me
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: if I was going to have children, and even when
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I was six, when I was asked that question, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: would say I don't think so, and it was very
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: unpopular and people would react very boldly and very negatively,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and so I started to change my answer to yes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure when, and part of me believe
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that too, so I had to stay true to me.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I think we all have a different plan, And I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: think what you're doing is important to you, and this
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: is what's important in your life now, and the kind
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of person that you deserve needs to meet. The kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: of person you're evolving into. Premature meeting before you've evolved
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: into this person short circuits the dream, right. I think
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that and giving yourself the time to evolve is really
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: really the best thing you can do for yourself. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in your thirties, you're still sort of an advanced version
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of your twenties. You know more of who you are,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: but now there's still a lot that you're challenging yourself.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: For you, right, you're taking on bigger tests and bigger responsibilities,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and a lot of it is bluffing it, right, A
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: lot of it is pretends until you get I still
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: bluff and pretend every time I do something new, I'm
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: pretending my way through it. And then I realized, how
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I realized how good I am at certain things and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: how not so good I am at others. But I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: understand my power and my strength. That's what you're doing now.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: So you want to meet somebody that is the partner
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for you in that you can't have somebody who doesn't
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: have your potential. You can't be with that kind of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a person. It's not a compliment for you. And so
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: when you give yourself that opportunity to evolve and you
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: meet more and more people who are evolving the way
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you are, you're the potential of the kind of partnership
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you can have is so great and so much better.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And if you jump the gun, you short circuit it,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and it's for some crazy deadline that somebody made many
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: many many years ago with a premise that has nothing
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to do with today. I congratulate you for just doing
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. This is so cool, This is so
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: great that you start something and make a name for yourself,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: which you've been doing, and really go with it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Norma. That means so much coming from you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I loved reading about the quote of you. Sometimes you
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: have to let go of who you are so that
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you can change into who you become. The there is
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: so much fearlessness in your book throughout. Was there a
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: moment that you were really grieving the old norma to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: step into the new normal Norma?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's usually when you're fearful about something,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you want to stay in your comfort zone.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: But one thing that you will recognize is that once
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you learn a lesson about something, like you get through
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: your twenties and you learn the lesson of your twenties,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you're never going to want to be in your twenties again.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: You learn that I'm not going back there, So my
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I think the funniest question that asked of me often
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: is what decade would you want to relive again will be?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And it's like none at h one is an initiation
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: that gets you to the next. So I did thirty,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: don't want to do it again? I did it. I
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: did my thirties to forty, I did forty to fifty.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Uh uh, don't want to do it again. Yes, I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: learned from it. I grew from it. I had great experiences.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So you don't like each decade takes you qualifies you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to go to the next. So the truth be told,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I'm quite happy where I am right now. I earned it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I earned my way to seventy five, just like you
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: earned your way to thirty.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I mean you said something in the book,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: if you felt you would get better with age, how
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: would you live your life? And to flip it on
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: its head and ask yourself that question what is aging
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: with power? That comes up in your book so much,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I feel like it was sort of the premise.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Of why you wrote it. Well. Aging with power is
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: something that's really important for me to talk about, anti aging,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: anti wrinkle, anti everything that has to do with age,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: because people are so afraid of being aged out. There
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: are consequences that people experienced in being aged out, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: they're not meaningful consequences. If you have your head on
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: straight about it, you may get aged out of that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: job simply because you're making a high salary and somebody
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: younger can come in at much less. So you can
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: get aged out of your job, you can get aged
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: out of the marriage, and you can get aged out
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of sort of the perception of youth. Right. But the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: key here is that if you follow the three pillars
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of the healthy lifestyle right that I talk about constantly, sleep, diet, exercise,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and you are the best version of you at any
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: age and not sort of the witness protection one where
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it's like everything is make believe, but the real real you,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the authentic you, right that when you look great, when
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you're healthy, you look great, and that beautiful, authenticque is
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: overcomes the age issue. People don't talk to me. I say,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I'm seventy five, but they're talking to me as if
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm fifty or forty five. I know they are. They're
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: having a different conversation with me than they would with
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a seventy five year old. And it's because I'm presenting myself,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: not in a fictitious version of seventy five. I am
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: seventy five. I say I'm seventy five. This is me
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: at seventy five. But it's how you present yourself. So
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: if you present yourself in your forties as sort of
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: missing the moment or not relevant to anymore, or out
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: of step, that's when you have to worry about being
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: aged out. Right. The fear for me is aging gracefully.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Aging gracefully to me means disappearing, becoming invisible, not happening,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: not happening. So I don't want any woman to think
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: about becoming invisible or thinking of herself as becoming irrelevant
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: or aging in a way that she is a potential
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: age out. So you're thirty, But the more power you
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: get in understanding who you are, the more beautiful you become.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Because your confidence gets stronger, your sense of self is
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: better you're just going to understand your beauty and your authenticity.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: So that's the key, that's really the key to age
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: with power. You will always be relevant, You'll always be
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in the moment because you are, because you are. So
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that's my whole aging with power thing, And hopefully more
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and more people will talk about their age and say
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it proudly.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It's the only ism that is still allowed, right like
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: agism is the only one that we don't really condemn.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I really love the term aging with power. I hope
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: it becomes more of a national colloquialism.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Well, hopefully it takes over aging gracefully, because I think
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: aging with power means there is still vitality and there's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: still energy. And you're right, it's okay to say these
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: buzzwords about age, and it's offensive. It's as offensive as
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: any other derogatory comment because it means you become irrelevant
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and in visible, and that's not what should happen to
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: vital human beings, right well.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: And so much of it, I think, particularly with women,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: is in regards to appearance, you know, So it just
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: it doubles down on the idea that our looks are
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: our currency, and it's not the case. So I really
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: loved how you put that. I heard this crazy story.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: You were speaking with Hoda and you said that you
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: saw an astrologer when you were in your twenties and
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: she said, you will meet your soulmate at sixty five. Yes,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: you go and behold, you meet your soulmate at sixty five.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I ask so many questions. First of all, when she
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: said that to you in.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Your twenties, what did you think? First of all, it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was the first time I ever went to an astrologer,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and she was amazing. She was talking about my childhood
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and things that really were not general. They were very
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: specific and very very right on, and so she was
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: right at everything. And then she said, you know, your
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: career is gonna have many phases, and later in your life,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: your career is going to be very strong, and you'll
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: meet your soulmate when you're sixty five. And I was like, no,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you're wrong. She said, no, I'm rarely ever wrong. I'm
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: going to prove her wrong. And it was very funny
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: because you know, I had boyfriends, and I'm you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I dated some for longer periods than others, and I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: forgot about what she said quite frankly, but I knew
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: none of them were anybody that I want to marry
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: or have kids with. And it didn't mean they weren't
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: fun or interesting, but they just weren't. They weren't the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: right They weren't the person I deserved. The truth is
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I wasn't ready. I really wasn't ready to be open
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: to that kind of a relationship. And a lot of
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: it has to do with self love and what you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: do for yourself right. Self love is critically important because
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: when you love yourself and not in a narcissistic way,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: but taking care of yourself, eating properly, sleeping, exercising, caring
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: for yourself, being good to yourself. When you do that,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you attract wonderful people, You attract opportunity, you attract the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: best things for you. And when you don't do that
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: for yourself, when you're not good to yourself, it's almost
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: like there's a sense that these people who like to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: take advantage of other people or kind of find like
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: someone to prey on, they appear. And I was pretty
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: good for a period of time of taking care of myself.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: But there are also things in our lives that distract
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: us from focusing on self love and we personal relationships,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like my brother had a horrible addiction, horrible addiction, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I felt very responsible to take care of him. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in almost every family that's who I am speaking openly
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: about it, and almost every family there's a story similar
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to this. And you can get entangled into a relationship,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: even if it's brother or father, you know, cousin, whatever,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and that relationship can stifle that self love because now
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you're entrenched in this relationship that's based on negatives, that's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: based on something that you can't solve, that just sort
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: of keeps you in fear all the time that this
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: person is going to kill themselves or do themselves in
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And for me, it actually happened. My brother killed himself
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and I was devastated. I felt like such a failure
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and it was very difficult. But when time passed, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: realized that all of a sudden, there was a lifting
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of this heaviness that I was feeling. And six months
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: later I met Marty, and so I talk about this
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: because it can be a marriage that you're in, it
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: could be a number of things that are toxic. It's
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: very important when you're considering self love, you're also looking
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: at relationships and how how involved you are in those
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: relationships and how you need to protect yourself and understand
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: better how to deal with them.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: You know, you wrote in the book women have a
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: compelling desire to be loved. I thought that was so interesting.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Can you expand on that? Well,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: thanks to one of my relationships, I learned a lot
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: about psychology and psychiatry. And one of the more fascinating
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: bits of information I learned, and I also saw through
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the years with women I've been with and being a woman,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: was men have no real understanding of the depth of
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: need of love women have. We need to be loved
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: in a way that can't be described in words, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: it happens. I think by the time you're in your
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: late teens, women are already in that head like having
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend somebody that loves them is really important, really
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: really important, And then having somebody asked you to marry
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: them and get you a big ring because it shows
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: how much he loves you. It's not just a little thing,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: it's a big love and having a big wedding so
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: everybody can see how much you're loved and the magnitude
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of that love should be demonstrated, and I think what
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: happens is we lose all sense of who we are
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: are moral fiber. And I remember seeing Bridesmaids and John
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Hamm and Kristen Wig are in bed. I don't know
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: if you remember it. Did you see Yeah? And I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: remember that scene and I thought to myself, so she
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: really thinks he's going to fall in love with her.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, oh my god, I've done that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I've done that. I've done that probably more than once.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. I objectified myself with the hopes that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: he will fall in love with me. And so I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: started to do a little study, and I would ask
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: every time I had meetings, and they're always with women
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: my company and other women that come to for meetings,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and I would say, have you seen Bridesmaids? And did
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you see the scene that? Yes, we have, so tell me,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: have you ever done that? Unanimously every I did this
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: for years and nobody ever said no. I never objectified myself.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: So women will objectify themselves for love, for the love
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to be love. And once we understand that and we
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: realize how unproductive it is, you know, hopefully we can
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: turn that corner too. But we do it because we're
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: desperate for love, desperate to be loved.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not what I thought you were going to say.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: That's really interesting. You know you mentioned marriage and you
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: just got engaged at seventy five, and I heard you
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: say you're going to have a big dance party this summer.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Are you designing your own dress? Well, you know, I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I've done so many wedding gowns that the idea of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: a wedding gown is not something I want to dance in.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Are you wearing a suit? Because that's even cooler now
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I have no I mean, I just want to dance.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I want a big dance party. So I'm going to
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: wear something that feels good when you dance, and I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: plan to sweat a lot and to just have a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: good time. And I think it's that's even more important. Obviously,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'll pick something fun to wear. Just dancing until we
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: can't dance anymore is my dream for the wedding. Then
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: it'll happen. Yeah, we'll have the we'll do the wedding privately,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: and then we'll just have a dance party. And that's
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: it so fun. Marty links to dance too, not as
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: much as I do, but he's he's game for everything,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: so he's good. A few shots, he'll be good. Okay.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I do a little rapid fire at the end so
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: we don't have to move that quick.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: But however, you feel all right? Okay.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: So one book you've read that has changed your life
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: that you think everybody else should read.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Great Bradberry's Fahrenheit four fifty one. I thought that one
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: was such a game changer, and it's been in my
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: mind my entire life, my entire career. I think about
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that all the time.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: You're a woman that likes to burn the house down,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: so that makes sense. One item of a clothing that
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: every woman needs in her closet, a good bra.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: This was so cool.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: You consider yourself an inventor more so than a designer,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: which I really loved. What is one thing still on
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: your docket that you want to create or invent.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a new furniture collection and it's all made
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: with sewing machines, and it's inventive and it's fun and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: it's great and it's indoor outdoor and I love it
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a lot. That's very cool. True or false.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: The Ruth Bader Ginsburg quote you can have it all,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: just not all.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: At one time. Sometimes you can have it all at
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the same time, but it's a very stressed situation. But
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: sometimes it happens that way and you still have to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: be grateful for it. And then there are times when
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: nothing happens and you have to be grateful for that too.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: There's gratitude in everything.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: The pretty smart question today is what is your defining characteristic.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Authenticity?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say creativity. That's a
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: very cool changeup. What do you think is the smartest
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  Speaker 3: decision you've ever made?
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I think remaining the sole owner of my company clearly.
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  Speaker 3: I think for people that don't know to do that
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  Speaker 3: as a fashion designer is very difficult, very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: So we talked about transitions, and every decade comes with
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: a different set of opportunities and challenges, as you say
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: in your book. So if we could go through the
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: big lesson to learn from each decade your twenties.
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  Speaker 1: In my twenties, I learned what my purpose was, I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: learned my potential. Okay, your thirties, my thirties, I created
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: my brand, and that's sort of more metaphysical than actual.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I understood what my story was. I understood what that meant,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and in my definition, I love that. Your forties, I
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: learned how strong I could be, how big the challenges
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  Speaker 1: could be that I could handle, and I was challenged,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and I understood my strength. Your fifties reinvention, reinvention, reinvention.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: It's like shedding your skin. In your fifties, and I
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: became a minimalist. I got rid of all of my possessions.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't want my possessions owning me. I still have
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  Speaker 1: a very minimal lifestyle. Your sixties, I learned what love
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: really is in my sixties. That's so special and so far.
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  Speaker 1: In your seventies, I am learning a new identity for
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: what my potential really can be. I understand my potential
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  Speaker 1: now is much greater than I did in my twenties.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: At the beginning of your book, you talk about your
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: mom and you say that women weren't really expected to
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: be leaders in that time, and yet she was so
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: fiercely independent in her spirit.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And I loved your book so much.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: It was I think it's so cool that it's part
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: manifesto park memoir.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very easy read, which I really enjoyed.
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  Speaker 3: And I couldn't help but think that you were living
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: out so much of who she was and so much
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  Speaker 3: of who your grandmother must have been, and you're leaving
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  Speaker 3: such a legacy for people like me and other young women,
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  Speaker 3: and I just I wanted to thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I could really feel you in the book. Oh that's
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: so sweet. Thank you very much. It makes me feel
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  Speaker 1: so good because at your age, I wish I would
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: have had a handbook that would have given me insight
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  Speaker 1: and what I just want to share as much as
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I know and can offer to young women like you
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  Speaker 1: who have this enormous potential for a lifetime ahead and
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to have some insight to what that means, so you're
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: not quite as hard on yourself, that you understand that
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: everybody's going through these things and that you're not alone
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  Speaker 1: in it, and that your your power is really enormous,
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  Speaker 1: and that enjoying the process is really a part of it,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and that taking care of yourself and self love are everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I really I'm very I love your energy, I
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: feel I feel your power. Truly, I'm very excited for you.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I have a very good feeling about you, and I'm
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: sure many people will benefit from everything you offer them
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: in your career and in your life, going to make
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: me cry.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: That's coming from you. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: so much. It was it was great. That was so sweet.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. Well, I mean it. I
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: mean it. I have good instincts, so I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 3: All right, today is a good day.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: To have a good day. I'll see you next week.