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Plan B (2021) with Danielle Bezalel · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 2: On the Bechda Cast. The questions ask if movies have
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  Speaker 1: Hey Jamie, Hey Caitln, do you wanna drive in my
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  Speaker 1: mom's minivan three and a half hours away so that
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  Speaker 1: I can get access to important reproductive healthcare.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like a fun ramp to me. Let's go. Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Wow perfect intro, no notes. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Jamie Loftis.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Caylin Durante. This is our podcast where
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  Speaker 1: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the
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  Speaker 1: Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point. Today is
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  Speaker 1: a special episode for me at least. Yes, So we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the movie Plan B, the one from twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, because as I was searching Plan B, there
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  Speaker 1: are so many movies with that title. Yes, this is
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Plan B. I think a Hulu
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  Speaker 1: original film.
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  Speaker 2: It is, which is very funny because I bundle my
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  Speaker 2: Hulu with my Disney Plus and so you can see
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  Speaker 2: a pierced dick on Disney Plus. Pretty cool, pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts about that scene, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll get there.
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  Speaker 2: I do too, So this is.
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  Speaker 1: The movie about teens trying to get access to the
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  Speaker 1: morning after pill. Now the reason we're doing this movie,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get into it in a moment. But I
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, I guess just when it
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  Speaker 1: comes out or afterward. I have just gotten a hysterectomy,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll provide some more information about that. But I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to cover a movie about trying to get access
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  Speaker 1: to reproductive healthcare to line up with me getting a hysterectomy.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the Plan B episode and here to
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  Speaker 1: talk with us about the movie. Is a sex educator,
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  Speaker 1: pleasure expert, and rom com critic. She's also the host
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  Speaker 1: of the podcast sex Ed with DP.
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  Speaker 2: Actually the perfect guests for this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, hello, Yeah. This podcast has a series entitled
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  Speaker 1: rom Com Bomb where they go under the covers with
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  Speaker 1: a beloved rom com strip away it's hidden toxic messages
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  Speaker 1: and then rewrite the script on love and sex. Our
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  Speaker 1: guest is Danielle Bezilel.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, Hello, Thank you so much for having me. I
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  Speaker 3: am absolutely thrilled to be here to talk about my
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  Speaker 3: favorite things, which are sex education, emergency, contraception, and feminism.
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  Speaker 2: Yay, let's go, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: What is your relationship with this movie?
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  Speaker 3: I really love this film. I saw it for the
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  Speaker 3: first time last year. It had come up on my
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  Speaker 3: kind of homepage on Hulu as the algorithm knows what
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  Speaker 3: we like a few times, and I was just very
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  Speaker 3: excited to get into it, to get cracking. And I
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  Speaker 3: think overall it's fantastic. Really enjoy many parts of it.
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  Speaker 3: I think the script is very funny. I really enjoy
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  Speaker 3: the realisticness of high schoolers trying to figure it all
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  Speaker 3: out and just trying to get access to their reproductive
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  Speaker 3: rights that they deserve. And we also at SEXI with
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  Speaker 3: dB had on the actress kouhou Verma, who plays Sonny
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  Speaker 3: on an episode to talk about sex scenes and the
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  Speaker 3: way in which that minorities interact with their parents and
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  Speaker 3: around sexual identity and culture. And it's a very rich episode.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I really enjoy this film and can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: To talk about it today.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, that's so cool that you had her on your show.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's very funny, very talented, and incredible singer. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you remember. There's a really a bos
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  Speaker 3: scene where she's singing in the car and I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: all the phone. I need to get more information on that,
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  Speaker 3: and then learn that she is a trained singer and
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  Speaker 3: I've seen some of her clips and she's incredibly talented.
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  Speaker 2: No big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamie, what's your relationship with the movie.
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  Speaker 2: I had not seen this movie before, but I am
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  Speaker 2: a longtime fan of the director of this movie, Natalie Morales,
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  Speaker 2: who started as an actor. I believe this is her
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  Speaker 2: first directorial project. I could be wrong about that, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think she's super talented.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I have my thoughts on the movie, which we will
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  Speaker 2: talk about, but yeah, I enjoyed the movie a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I know that we covered Gosh a year or two
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  Speaker 2: ago Unpregnant, which came out around the same time and
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  Speaker 2: has a similar theme, but I think this one took
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  Speaker 2: the cake for me. We'll talk about it, but in general,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I know, Danielle, like you are the
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  Speaker 2: expert on this, Like, even though there are parts of
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  Speaker 2: it that were imperfect for me, I just am glad
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  Speaker 2: that this genre of movie exists and that it you know,
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  Speaker 2: the creative control is being put into the hands of
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  Speaker 2: people with uteruses, and creatives with uteruses. Who are you know,
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  Speaker 2: just starting the conversation. So yeah, I laughed, I cried.
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  Speaker 1: I like both.
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  Speaker 2: There were some moments where I was like, the comedy's
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  Speaker 2: getting a little too broad for me, and I would
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  Speaker 2: just start to check out, and then something really sweet
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  Speaker 2: and beautiful would happen, and then I would be like
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  Speaker 2: locked back in. What was her history with this Caitlin?
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  Speaker 1: I had not seen it before, and in fact I
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  Speaker 1: picked it before. I was like, this is the movie
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  Speaker 1: that I'm going to have like line up with my
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  Speaker 1: hysterectomy experience before even watching it, because I knew that
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  Speaker 1: it was tonally light, which is something that I wanted,
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  Speaker 1: and that it was about people with uteruses trying to
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  Speaker 1: exercise autonomy over their bodies and their reproductive health, and
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  Speaker 1: since that has been my journey with trying to get
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  Speaker 1: a hysterectomy, I was like, Okay, thematically similar enough, because
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  Speaker 1: the thing about movies about hysterectomies is that they don't
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  Speaker 1: exist except for Okay. I was like googling this. There
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  Speaker 1: are a couple, but they're either like TV movies that
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  Speaker 1: you've never heard of and can't access, or I think
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  Speaker 1: there might be a documentary about it. Anyway, I did
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  Speaker 1: come across a nineteen ninety six TV movie entitled Maternal Instincts,
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  Speaker 1: in which, and I quote, oh no, a pregnant doctor's
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  Speaker 1: life is made hell by the deranged patient to whom
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  Speaker 1: she gave a hysterectomy without the patient's consent.
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  Speaker 2: The histeror is doing a lot of heavy lifting in
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  Speaker 2: that description. Yeah, she's Louise.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, maybe not the vibe I'm going for,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I just decided to go with Plan B.
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  Speaker 1: It was a movie I wanted to watch. Anyway, We've
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  Speaker 1: gotten a number of requests for it, so that's why
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  Speaker 1: we're covering it. But yeah, I just wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more about this experience of me trying
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  Speaker 1: to get a history direct to me. One, I want
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  Speaker 1: to normalize a discussion like this, and two it's been
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  Speaker 1: a very frustrating several decades. Also, if you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what a hysterectomy is, because I've discovered recently after telling
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  Speaker 1: a number of people I'm getting a hysterectomy soon, people
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  Speaker 1: are like, what's that.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly, before you started talking about it with me,
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  Speaker 2: I misunderstood what the procedure actually was because it's not
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so much sex ed is so prescriptive aggressively
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  Speaker 2: so but yeah, the idea of choice barely ever comes.
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  Speaker 1: Up for sure, So uh, what it is is that
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  Speaker 1: I am having my uterus removed. A hystectomy also might
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  Speaker 1: involve removal of the ovaries. I'm hoping that that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen because that will mean that I would go into
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  Speaker 1: immediate menopause. It will mean a significant shift to like
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  Speaker 1: my hormones and stuff like that, so I'm hoping they're
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  Speaker 1: able to leave my ovaries. It'll depend on how riddled
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  Speaker 1: with endometriosis all of those organs are. So this is
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  Speaker 1: why I'm having the hysterectomy. I have dealt with horrible,
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  Speaker 1: horrible period pain ever since I started having periods when
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  Speaker 1: I was twelve years old. It is probably due to endometriosis,
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  Speaker 1: although I don't have an official diagnosis of that because.
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  Speaker 2: Those are so hard to get.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, medical science doesn't give a shit
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  Speaker 1: about people with uteruses. And to be clear, we're using
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  Speaker 1: that phrase of people with uteruses on this episode because
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  Speaker 1: people will commonly talk about things like access to birth control,
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  Speaker 1: access to abortion, access to a hysterectomy as something that
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  Speaker 1: women get. But not all women were born with uteruses.
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  Speaker 1: Not all people who have a uterus and who might
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  Speaker 1: be trying to get birth control or a hysterectomy or
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  Speaker 1: access to abortion or whatever are women. Obviously, we're not
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  Speaker 1: trying to reduce anyone to their body parts more or that.
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  Speaker 1: We just want to acknowledge the pretty cisnormative way that people,
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  Speaker 1: including a lot of medical professionals, talk about who has
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  Speaker 1: a uterus, who needs access to reproductive health care all
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  Speaker 1: of that. But anyway, So, I have wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: a hysterectomy basically ever since I started having periods, and
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  Speaker 1: I've been asking doctors about it since probably my twenties.
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  Speaker 1: One because I want to eliminate this pain, and two
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  Speaker 1: because I famously do not want to have children and
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  Speaker 1: therefore do not need a uterus for any reason. So
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  Speaker 1: I was asking doctors about this and being like, is
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  Speaker 1: this an option for me? I have this horrible pain?
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  Speaker 1: And I got nothing but pushback from every doctor I
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  Speaker 1: talked to. They said it wasn't medically necessary for me
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  Speaker 1: to have a hysterectomy, despite the excruciating pain that I
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  Speaker 1: would describe to them.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, what is medically necessary?
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  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 3: If I'm telling you that this is an absolute trash
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  Speaker 3: experience makes me so mad. I'm so sorry that you
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  Speaker 3: went through.
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  Speaker 2: That and for so long too. Where I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: know we've talked about this, and you've talked about this
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  Speaker 2: on the show before, but how there is like I think,
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  Speaker 2: a false narrative about like we've come so far and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, well, no, You've been having the same conversation
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  Speaker 2: with doctors for literally decades and HM, again, it's just
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  Speaker 2: like there's a lack of choice, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: So I would be like, well, I think I probably
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  Speaker 1: have endometriosis because my mom, both of her sisters, their
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  Speaker 1: mother all had to have hysterectomies because of endometriosis. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's probably the thing with me too. But
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  Speaker 1: I would talk to doctors about this and they'd be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: who knows if you have that, because it's really hard
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  Speaker 1: to diagnose, and then they would just leave it at
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  Speaker 1: that and like not try to diagnose it or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. So I would get pushed back about that,
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  Speaker 1: or they would say like, well, you'll change your mind
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  Speaker 1: about not wanting to have children, you know, all that classics.
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  Speaker 1: That is until I went to a doctor recently who
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  Speaker 1: said that a hysterectomy is on the table for me. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I still don't have an official diagnosis of endometriosis. They
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  Speaker 1: are just believing me about the pain I experience, and
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  Speaker 1: they're believing me about not wanting to have kids. I
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  Speaker 1: think it helps that I have already gotten my tubes tied,
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  Speaker 1: which is a procedure I had done three years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is sufficient proof for them that I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to have children, so they're like, yes, let's
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  Speaker 1: do the hysterectomy. So at the time of this recording,
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  Speaker 1: it has not happened yet by the time you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to this, it will have happened on February twelfth. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why, again, I wanted to pick a movie to
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  Speaker 1: line up with the just theme of a story about
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  Speaker 1: a person with a uterus who is trying to and
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  Speaker 1: it is eventually able to exercise autonomy over their reproductive health.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I wanted it to be tonally light and
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  Speaker 1: fun because I wanted to like kind of reflect how
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  Speaker 1: I feel about having this surgery. I know that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people who get a hysterectomy do not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: feel the like joy and validation that I feel about it,
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  Speaker 1: and I fully recognize that, but for me, this is
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  Speaker 1: like a very validating thing. This is exactly what I've
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  Speaker 1: like always wanted. So I wanted to cover a movie
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  Speaker 1: that's like light and cathartic.
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  Speaker 3: I also sorry, I just want to say, like, go
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  Speaker 3: you for like saying this in the public, Like this
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  Speaker 3: can be, you know, similar to periods. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: as a sex educator, I'm constantly talking to people about
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  Speaker 3: how they feel so much shame around their periods and
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  Speaker 3: around anything having to do with their reproductive health and
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  Speaker 3: their sexual health. And I just think good on you
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  Speaker 3: for like being open and honest and transparent about what
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  Speaker 3: you're going through, because I just feel like people are
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  Speaker 3: going through similar things and it might be an isolating
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  Speaker 3: experience for people, and so I feel like the way
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  Speaker 3: that we combat stigma and shame is through educ and information.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Yay, Hey yeah, Lit Kay kay, Lit, Wow, I'm a hero, brave.
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  Speaker 2: No, But I mean it's even outside of reproductive rights
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  Speaker 2: you've been talking about just difficulty accessing basic procedures you need,
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  Speaker 2: going back to the sludge era.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So for any listeners who don't know about sludge, if
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  Speaker 1: you're new here, If you're new here, sludge refers to wow,
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  Speaker 1: this is like six years ago now, because this happened
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  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen where I had a gall bladder attack
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  Speaker 1: and was discovered to have quote unquote sludge in my
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  Speaker 1: gall bladder. Medical medical sludge yes, actually weirdly a scientific
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  Speaker 1: medical term. I would come to find out bone chilling,
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  Speaker 1: and I had to have my gall bladder removed. So
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  Speaker 1: this is not my third pretty major surgery between gallbladder removal,
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  Speaker 1: tube tying, and now hysterectomy. So I'm a season and veteran.
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  Speaker 1: But the gallbladder thing was, I had like very bad
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  Speaker 1: insurance at the time. I had to drum through so
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  Speaker 1: many hoops just to get access to a very simple
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  Speaker 1: procedure that's like quite common. It took months and months
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  Speaker 1: and months of appointments and referrals and dead ends and
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of nonsense. Where what should have happened is
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  Speaker 1: when I went to the er with like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: cruciating gallbladder pain. You know, in a country with socialized medicine,
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  Speaker 1: they would have been like, oh, yeah, this is what's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Here's your surgery the next day.
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  Speaker 2: It's also worth mentioning even places with socialized medicine like
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  Speaker 2: access can still be an issue even if financial isn't
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  Speaker 2: you know, if if the problem isn't finance, sometimes it's
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  Speaker 2: just doctors being gender prescriptive and making assumptions about your
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  Speaker 2: body too.
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  Speaker 1: It's just definitely yeah, yeah, So I've been having difficulty
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  Speaker 1: accessing health care for years now, but now my uterus
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  Speaker 1: sludge aka presumed endometriosis.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I feel like so many Daniel, I'm curious what
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  Speaker 2: your experiences of this, Like, I only learned what endometriosis
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  Speaker 2: was when I was having tremendous pain myself and was
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out and think, I mean, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have endometriosis. I had a horrific uti but the urgent
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  Speaker 2: care I went to was not listening to me, and
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  Speaker 2: so I was just in the internet trench as being like,
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  Speaker 2: what could this be? But I'd never heard endometriosis discussed
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  Speaker 2: in any space as I'd been in. I think because
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  Speaker 2: of the shame stigma, and I got very poor sex ed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me based
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  Speaker 3: on how terrible our sex that is, how unlikely we
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  Speaker 3: are to listen to women and people with uterus in
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  Speaker 3: particular when they're talking about pain. The average time it takes,
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  Speaker 3: and this is a huge range to receive an accurate
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  Speaker 3: diagnosis of endometriosis between four and eleven years. I've heard
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  Speaker 3: you know within that it's kind of like an eight
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  Speaker 3: year diagnosis journey, And yeah, that is a multi layered
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  Speaker 3: issue as to why that's happening. I feel like, you
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  Speaker 3: know it's just one of the many conditions reproductive health
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  Speaker 3: conditions that aren't talked about enough. Doctors aren't trained on
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  Speaker 3: how to diagnose it, and doctors are also less likely
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  Speaker 3: to listen and pay attention to women and people with
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  Speaker 3: uterus is pain and so like that. You know, then
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about like all the other kind of intersectional
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  Speaker 3: feminist lenses that we're going to go through. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: in this episode of like you know, bipop folks are
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  Speaker 3: less likely to get diagnoses of reproductive chronic conditions, and
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, I just think it's it's a multi layered
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  Speaker 3: issue here.
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  Speaker 1: For any listeners who don't know what endometriosis is, and Danielle,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: feel free to fill inity blanks or anything that I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: kind of have gotten wrong. But it's basically uterine tissue
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like uterine lining that would normally grow inside the uterus
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and then be shed during your period. Endometriosis is when
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that grows outside of your uterus and like attaches itself
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: to like the exterior of the uterus or your ovaries
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: or other Like the doctor who is going through all
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: of the possible things that might happen during my surgery,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, we find endometriosis sometimes on your appendix,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: so we might give you an appendectomy. We find endometriosis
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: sometimes on your lower intestines. It might be on your
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: fallopian tubes. Like it can kind of grow anywhere in
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: that general region and it causes intense pain, or it
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: can especially during menstruation. At least that's been the case
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, totally. And the exact cause of endometriosis unknown, right, Like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: not enough money is going into research and scientific studies
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: for it. I hope that is beginning to change. But yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the symptoms for folks can range and can be incredibly
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: painful and can even cause folks to not even be
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: able to like get up there in so much pain,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: or they'll have to miss school or work or you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: it's just it's just a really tough condition to have.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have to miss school sometimes, especially when
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I was a teen. So for many years I was
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: on some form of birth control that would curb the pain.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But I was like, I don't want to do that forever,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: so heince Hys directed me. But yeah, when I was
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: a teenager, I would miss school routinely. If I did
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: go to school when I was on my period, I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: would often like throw up because I was so sick
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a feeling, and then I would have to be sent
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: home like it was, It's been a horrible, painful journey.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: What's really we just to talk about the movie at
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: some point, I'm like, this is so interesting, though, I like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this a lot, especially with your
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: procedure coming up, Caitlin, of how much of this can
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: be sort of like generationally passed on as deal with it,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: because when I was having really painful periods that luckily
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: for me, is sort of ebbed as I got older,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: But I had really painful periods when I was young,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and I remember being told by like relatives with uteruses
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and school nurses with uteruses like that's just sort of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: what it is, and like do your homework, like and
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: then on the other end, I think about young boys,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: which is the point about this movie I want to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: talk about, you know, and I mean boys as people
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: with penises in this case. But how if you don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: have a uterus and you're listening to this episode, keep
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: listening because it's so important, Like because we're not educated
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: on each other's bodies. I feel like it just you know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: engenders this real It makes it really easy to not
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: empathize with people experiencing that pain because it's not treated
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: as valid societally, and it means that often your sexual partners,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Like I've had pain that I've described to sexual partners
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: who I don't think we're like not empathetic people, but
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: they just did not know what I was talking about,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and it makes it really, I don't know, like it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: It is difficult to have that conversation when you're you
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: have to educate someone while in tremendous pain like that
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be the two hander.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Well, shall we take a break and then we'll come
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: back and talk about the movie.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you for indulging me as I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: talked about my endometriosis and uterus and periods and pain
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. But again, we're trying to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: normalize it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, anytime, please.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: It's important. It's you gotta what does this show for it?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: If not this exact purpose? True?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the recap for Plan B twenty twenty one.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: We meet two girls, Sonny played by Kuhuverma and Loope
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: played by Victoria Morales. They are best friends. Both live
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: with rather overbearing parents, Sonny with her mom, who expects
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: her to get perfect grades and to be very modest
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and well behaved, and Loupe with her pastor father who
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't like her alt slash nos ring slash black lipstick aesthetic.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I wrote down this Christian hates hot topic. That's his
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: whole vibe, that is his vies. There's one store this
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: man hates. It is hot topic.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: The girls head to school. Sonny tells Lupe that she
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: feels very behind sexually. Other teens at school are having
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: sex and she still hasn't had her first kiss. But
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: she does have a crush on a boy named Hunter
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: played by Michael Provost. But oh no, a mean popular
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: girl named Megan is flirting with Hunter, so Sonny is like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: oh no, how am I supposed to compete with that? Meanwhile,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Loupe has a boyfriend, or what we think is a
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: boy friend. Not to spoil anything, but there seems to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: be a guy that she's been texting with named Logan,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: although they haven't met yet I r L. We also
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: meet another classmate of theirs named Kyle played by Mason Cook,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: who he's presented as being Likedweebye. He's a magician. He's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: always talking about his church group.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: He's a Christian magician.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so Chris Magic. I feel like that be
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: a cool altering girl.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Chris Angel ever called himself that, Chris.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Ma He's Yeah, Kyle's what we call a bit of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a mind free Oh.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, so true, so true. Okay, So we see all
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the teens in sex ed class where their teacher Rachel
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Dratch shows them a video that's.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Perfect casting, great casting.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, the video is like promoting abstinence until marriage and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: it's particularly slut shamy toward women. And Sonny and Hunter
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: start pointing out the sexist double standards of the video
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and they're kind of vibing. And then after class, loope
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: wing woman's for Sonny and says, hey, Hunter, Sonny is
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: throwing a party tonight, which she isn't except now she is,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: especially since Sonny's mom is out of town this weekend.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: So we cut to the party. Eventually Hunter shows up
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and he and Sonny are vibing some more. Then Sonny
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: gives herself a makeover after hearing that mean girl Megan
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: saying some very rude things about Sonny.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the soundtrack to this movie. I feel
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: like when I was hearing it was just very early
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: twenty tens coded to me, where like when fuck the
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Painoay is playing during a makeover sequence, You're just like, Yeah, this,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: whoever this director was was really raging in like twenty
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: eleven for sure.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So she's feeling more confident now, although she sees Hunter
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: leave with Megan and she's like wow, wah. Then she
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: starts talking to Kyle the Magician, the Chris Magich, Chris
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you will. They have a heart to heart and then
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: they have sex. And we'll go back to this scene
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: because there's there's some notes to discuss here around consent,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I would say, but we'll return to that they have sex. Kyle,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: feeling guilty that he just had premarital sex, runs off,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and Sonny kind of reunites with Loupe. They pass out
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: on the couch and we cut to the next day.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Sonny tells Lupe that she had sex. Lupe assumes that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: it was with Hunter, and for whatever reason, Sonny doesn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: correct her. Then she goes to p and the condom
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: she and Kyle used falls out of her vagina and
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: now she's worried she might be pregnant, since it was
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: like sitting there all night.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I had this thought where it's like she she does
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: think she might be pregnant, but she also thinks she
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: might be gregnant, which means that maybe the better name
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: for this movie would have been playing g there. So true,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: but that's you know, mistakes are made in every production.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And it's really weird that that kid's name is Kyle
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: because his name should have been Greg.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: He's very greg coated.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: What am I missing something about this Greg? What's going on?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: No, there's just a Sometimes people think that pregnancy is
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: called a pregnancy, but it's actually called a Gregnancy.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Actually, Danielle, I'm curious, like this actually is relevant to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: your Alina study.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I'm following, I'm following.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that? Okay, I'm not joking out. Have
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you seen that viral video from it got at least
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: ten years ago that is composed of like Yahoo answers questions.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we should just send you
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the video. But it's a list of questions about pregnancy
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: from mostly since men, and it is right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I think I know there is a version, am I?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So it's two different I understand.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So is just a bunch of people misspelling the word
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: pregnant and then one of them is gregnant. So that
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: has just caught on, understood and.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Also just speaks to I think, like genuinely does speak
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: to the lack of sex education in the US, because
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: some of the questions are like when you have sex
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: with gregnant, does Penis touched the baby hit his head
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff where you're just like, oh,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: open the schools. It's very open the schools.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Energy, Yeah, force you to sit down and learn some facts. Yes,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: this is this is a big yeggs roney. No, I'm
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: gonna have to watch that. I have seen. On the
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: other hand, the song video where he's like, am I
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: pregnant or whatever it was?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's based on the same thing for sure.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: For sure. Great, Okay, so she thinks she's pregnant, but
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: she also thinks she's pregnant, as you pointed out, Jamie
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and Loupe is like, well, don't sweat it. We'll just
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: go to a pharmacy and get you a plan B pill.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: They go to the pharmacy, but the pharmacist played by
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Jay Chandras tekar Aka mister super Troopers refusal.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was struggling. Okay, yep.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he directed at least one, maybe multiple super Troopers movies,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and he also is one of the stars of those movies. Anyway,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he's a pharmacist and he refuses to sell them the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Plan B pill because they are in South Dakota, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: he invokes the conscience clause say that selling a minor
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a Plan B pill goes against his moral beliefs.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: A policy that I was not aware of. Really, Oh
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: my gosh, yeah, I don't know how I had never heard,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: but like I fell down a rabbit hole after that,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: because I mean, not surprising, but absurd.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Very absurd. And so because they're both I think seventeen,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: or they're minors, so he has the quote unquote right
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to invoke this clause.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: He can decide what happens to their bodies. Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: So that means and get ready for this poetry from
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: yours truly, it means that their Plan A to get
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Plan B if the pharmacy doesn't work out. So their
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Plan B is to get Plan B at Plan P
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: aka planned parenthood.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And somehow all of this ends up being planed G
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: just plan Greg Greg.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, Greg, I'm like, I'm with you, okay.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So the point is they're trying to get to a
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: planned parenthood. The nearest one is like three hours away
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in Rapid City, South Dakota. So they take Sonny's mom's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: minivan and start driving to Rapid City. There is a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: mishap with like road construction and GPS reception, and they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: get lost for a little while. They stop at a
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: gas station and get very silly directions from a woman
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: named Doris Edie Patterson.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: If you're a righteous Gemstones fan, She's amazing.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: That's who she is.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I did not love that character, but I love that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: After yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then they are these like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: two creepy guys who harass Sonny and Loupe. Doris comes
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to their rescue. They smoke weed with her. By this time,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: it's pretty late and Doris points out that Planned Parenthood
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: is probably closed for the night, but Plan B is
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: most effective when taken in the first twenty four hours
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of the sexual encounter. Then it drops down to I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: think sixty one percent efficacy within forty eight hours according
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to the movie. So Doris suggests that they pay a
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: visit to her drug dealer, nephew Andy at the local playground.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: They go and meet up with Andy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Moses Storm, Yeah, played by a friend of mine. Did
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: not know he was in this movie. And this scene
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is another one that we'll talk about. Andy doesn't seem
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to have Plan B, but he's about to sell them
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: fake IDs so that they can acquire it at a pharmacy.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But he's selling the fake id's for three hundred dollars,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: which they don't have. And he's like, well, you can
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: perform oral sex on me in exchange for the fake ID,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and Sonny is like, okay, I guess. And then we
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: see a full frontal penis nudity.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: On Disney plus Disney Dyes, Disney plus Mickey's Network.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: For god's sakes, we come to this place to watch
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Mowana and look at what I'm looking at. This scene
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: bugged me. We'll come back to it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: We'll come back to it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: This is where the comedy was getting so broad that
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I felt like the point of the movie was being.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: A little bit lost for sure. Yeah, I really struggled
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: with this scene, and we'll go into why. But the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: point is she can't go through with this transaction, so
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: she like you know gets away, but in so doing,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: she accidentally rips out the penis ring that's at the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: tip of his penis because it gets caught in her hair.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So now they have to run off. It's all this
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: high jinks, but not before Loope steals the pill that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: may or may not be Plan B, but it also
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: might be PCP. They get into the car with Loop
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: A driving and they take a detour to a show
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that her boy friend Logan is playing in a nearby
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: town at a bowling alley. So they get there and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: guess who else is at the bowling alley. It's Sonny's
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: crush Hunter.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, the male feminist himself has entered the entered the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: bowling alley mm and he's like.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I didn't hook up with Megan at
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: your party. I just gave her a ride home because
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: she was really drunk. And so Hunter and Sonny dance
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and have a nice time. Meanwhile, Lupe approaches Logan, who
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: we think is like the lead singer dude, but just kidding,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: it's the drummer who's a girl twist. And they finally
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: meet and they hang out and they're vibing, and.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: That's played by Mahala Harald, who I recognized from Body's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Body's Bodies.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Oh bye, Okay.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I thought maybe she was also in an episode of
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Black Mirror that I had seen. I did not confirm that, but.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can confirm that she was great. She's popping up.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: She's great. She's also in Industry, which I think is
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a pretty good show.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that yet.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I enjoy it. She's in that as well. Yeah, she's
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: popping up right now, but nice.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good for her.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: This is like, what a lovely moment, the debut of Logan.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I enjoyed it very much, and I enjoy their connection.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: They hang out, Lupe and Logan do. But Lupe has
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: not told Sonny that she's queer, nor has Lupe come
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: out to her very religious father, and so part of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: what she and Logan talk about is coming out, whether
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: or not they have been or will be rejected by
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: their family, you know, finding found family, that kind of thing.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I love that scene. I'm sure we'll come back to it,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: but I just really loved it so sweet.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Sonny and Hunter are having waffles kind of like
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: how Donkey wants waffles and Shrek d.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Shrek coded scene. Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And she tells Hunter the whole story about how
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: she had sex with someone and now she might be
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: pregnant or pregnant, and that she's trying to get the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Plan B pill and she's being really hard on herself
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and he's being supportive and sweet.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Which I really love, Like, I love how sweet and
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: supportive he is. The cynical demon. Part of me did
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: write down was this young man raised by a stack
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: of glorious Steinhem books like because but I feel like
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: that is like a good use of like maybe slightly unrealistic,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Like it's a good model for young people to see that,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: like this is hot. This is the person to have
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a crush on. From a realism aspect of it's like, oh,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the one cis boy who has internalized nothing. But I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: kind of he was raised by a stack of books,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and I celebrate that for him. I like that character.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: He's sweet, it's nice. Yes, part of me is just
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: like maybe teenagers are just like that nowadays. Well I
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't talk to them, maybe.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Not talk to teenagers.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I personally don't know one teenager. But I kind of
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: love that this is a model because I think that's
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: how we learn and how young people learn. Like ideally
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: a young person has seen this film and thought like, oh,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: that's kind of cool, like and I just think that, like, yeah,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: it perpetuates the cycle if we're just consistently like putting
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: in kind of like sludge into our you know, our
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: male characters. So I I like the sweetness, even though yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: maybe a touch over the top.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I mean that's yeah, that's not like an actual That
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: was just me having watched thousands of movies and being like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: you know, but I'm not the target audience for this movie.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: It's it's for teenagers.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is nice to see a very sweet
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and supportive teen boy character. And then they kiss on
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the lips. Yeah okay. Oh. Then Loupe is about to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: introduce Sonny to Logan and effectively come out to Sonny,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: but then it appears as though Logan has stolen Sonny's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: mom's van with Loupe's phone in it, so they're freaking out.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Sonny takes the pill, which might be Plan B or
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: it might be PCP, and she starts yelling at Loupe.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: They get in a fight. They eventually find the van
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: via like the Find My Friend app on Sunny's phone.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: It's at a party which Lupe and Sonny have to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: crash to confront Logan and get the keys back.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Writing wise, I love when like modern technology is used
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: well within a teen movie, because I feel like some
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: writers give up and they're just like their phone drowned.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: But I love I was like, of course, that is
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: exactly what a teenager would do, is like, and that
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: would just be an automatic reaction. I thought that was great.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Or it's like, I don't know how to implement modern
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: technolog in my story. So it's set in two thousand
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and one.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Right, which is a lot of contemporary movies where they're
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: just like, well, this could all be solved with Google Maps,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: so I need I need to turn back time. It's like, no,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: you can still fuck yourself over in the present day.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: We do it all the time every day.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So they find Logan. She's like, sorry, it
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: was my lead singer Xander, who's on drugs. He took
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the van. Meanwhile, the pill that Sonny took was probably speed,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: so she's you know, like at an eleven, there's altso
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: high jinks. They eventually get the keys back. Loupe and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Logan say goodbye, and then Sonny and Lupe head off
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: in the car. Sonny's like, why didn't you tell me
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you're queer? And Loupe is like, I was afraid it would,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you know, change the dynamic in our relationship, and Sonny's like, no,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I love you forever, no matter what. Then Kyle calls
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Sonny and Loope picks up the phone, and Kyle starts
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: talking about all the regret he's feeling and the sin
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: he committed by having premarital sex, and Lupe hears all
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: this and she's like, what the hell I thought Hunter
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: is the person you had sex with. Why did you
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: lie about that? And so they just kind of like
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: air all of their grievances and talk about their feelings
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and insecurities, and then Kyle's just like, what about my
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: feelings and they're like, we don't care anyway. It's the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: next morning. They arrive at the Planned Parenthood in Rapid City,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: only to discover that this location has been permanently shut down.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: God, this is devastating.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sonny breaks down crying. This was like, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: her last hope kind of thing. She really wants her mom.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Loupe consoles her. They drive back home, Loupe and her
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: father reconcile. She doesn't explicitly come out to him, but
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it seems like he knows or he's like getting the hint,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and he seems fine with it. Meanwhile, at Sonny's at first,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: her mom reprimands Sonny for taking the car and being reckless,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: but Sonny explains that she was trying to get access
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to the morning after pill cut to the pharmacy in
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: their town. Sonny's mom gets Plan B for her, so yay,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: she finally got access to the healthcare she needed.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I loved I didn't see the ending coming, and I
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: really appreciated that her mom showed up for her. That
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: was like, really really cool.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. And then the button at the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: end of the movie is that Sonny's mom finds the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: penis ring from the drug dealer's penis.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: The end, Woo gives a little cent.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And they're like, no, put that near your face. Okay,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: that's the movie. Let's take another quick break and then
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: we'll come back to discuss.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: And we're back.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Danielle, where would you like to start?
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Oh my, there's so much content. I mean maybe at
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the sex scene. Does that feel appropriate?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start with what we didn't like and then
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: get into the yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'll place a content warning here for what
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: is arguably sexual assault because I think that the consent
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in this sex scene between Sonny and Kyle is very,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: very murky, way murkier than I would have liked.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Or hoped, which I found frustrating because at this point
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the movie is like kind of like puffing its feathers
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: out as like having an understanding of consent in several
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: jokes that come before this, including like two minutes earlier,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: where you know, Sonny says as a joke like I'm
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: not gonna take no for an answer with consent, of course,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and you know, Lupe is like, yes, of course, but
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: then the movie doesn't really seem to understand it was frustrating.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically what happens is that Sonny initiates sexual
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: contact with Kyle without like checking in with him first.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: You can see the shock on his face as she
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: does this. She proceeds onward. So like the idea that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: anything that is not an enthusiastic yes is a no,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: using that as a metric or like that is the criteria,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he is not giving an enthusiastic yes really
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: at any point in this scene.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Because she says like, I'm touching your thing or whatever,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: and he says, yes, you are, which is not consent.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It's just stating already happening to him, right.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And then eventually they like things progress and he says
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: he does say like, yes, I want this, but we
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's just because he's feeling pressured into
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: this because Sonny is coming on very strong. We don't
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: know anything because they have not openly talked about this
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: in advance, so we're not sure how he's actually feeling.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: They have sex immediately afterwards, Kyle freaks out. He feels
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: instant regret and guilt throughout the movie. He's calling her
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: like wanting to talk about this. She blows him off.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that like women should be doing
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: unnecessary emotional labor for men, but like, but this is.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: A different situation.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: It really I felt like that character again, just like
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: there are moments where the movie chose comedy over what
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the movie is about, and it felt like Kyle's character
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: was a part of that where they're like, oh, he's
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: a magician, he's a loser. He loves his youth group
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: too much, so we don't need to care about whether
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: he is given consent for things or or you know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: as he's calling her later that I feel like the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: movie kind of treats it as absurd that a SIS
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: man would feel a type of way about anything. And
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, religious trauma around sex affects people
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: all genders, and I feel like, again, it's for some reason,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: you know, the movie treats certain like it treats Sonny
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: and Lupez trauma and concerns and shame as valid, but
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: then there are exceptions to that, and I just it
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: really bummed me out for Kyle because it just felt
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: like and again it's like, you can you can show
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: empathy for that character without the movie becoming about sis boys.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Like I just thought it was weird that it seemed
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: like the movie took almost any opportunity to like blow
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: off and make fun of this character who appeared to
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: be first of all, like you're saying, Caitlin, the consent
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: was very murky, and even if the consent, even if
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: we're saying the consent was given, was experiencing a lot
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: of like religious shame and trauma after it, and that
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: is like a valid thing. I don't know, I was
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: just confused about that point.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have. I have a couple thoughts on this.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: So I think, like number one, Sonny appears to be drunk, right,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: so theoretically she can't consent and a sexual experience shouldn't
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: have taken place. However, is this how like high schoolers
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: engage in sexual acts? Like, yes, a lot of high
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: schoolers are drinking and are engaging in sexual acts in
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: this way. So in sex ed class we like to
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: kind of talk about harm reduction right of being like, sure,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: maybe it's not like the best case scenario, but are
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: we still going to participate in it? Yes? How can
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: we do it a little bit safely? So I do
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: think that like the harm reduction lens as a sex
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: educator feels kind of relevant here because like, people do
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: drink and people do have sex when they drink, and
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: it's similar to when we say abstinence only that doesn't work.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: So I think like that framework is important for me.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: And also I do think that the consent piece could
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: have been added here with just like two lines, like
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: if Sonny's character before she started touching him just said
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: like can I touch you? And if you just was
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: like uh okay, yeah, like it was just a small
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: piece there. Yeah, and then just like one more check
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: in maybe before you know, she took out the or
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: he took out the condom, or before they use the condom,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: like that could have changed the entire scene. So I
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: do think it's like small little errors that were made,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: and I want to celebrate the parts about it. As
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: a sex educator. That felt very unique and like better
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: than most other sex scenes that I have seen, kind
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: of having this lens. One there's the depiction of condoms,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: which is pretty rare true. Two there's the depiction of
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, like there was kind of a
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: mess up, like she refers to it later as like
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: he touched her taint with his penis, but like, you know,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: just this messiness of like first time sex. They don't
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: even kiss, which is kind of this like showing of
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: how awkward that these two people are in their bodies
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: and uncomfortable. They show kind of her gasping out of
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: like how potentially uncomfortable it is, and the session lasts
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: no more than ten seconds, right roughly about that amount
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: of time. So I just like there was a lot
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: that this sex scene could have improved upon, but also
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: got right as someone who like very much is kind
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: of laser eyed at sex scenes.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Totally fair. Yeah, it just sucks that like all those
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: positives or like authentic, realistic portrayals of it are overshadowed
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: for me, at least by this murky consent situation. Like
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you said, it would have worked so much better if
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: she asked, can I touch you here? And if his
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: giving consent was far more enthusiastic and that you could
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: hear it in his voice and it seemed like both
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: parties were very willing participants in this situation. It just
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that there isn't that enthusiastic yes all the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: way through and the movie like, the only thing that
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: needs to happen for the story to proceed onward in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the way that it does is for the characters to
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: have sex and for him to ejaculate and the condom
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: gets stuck inside of her like that's why she tries
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: to get the plan b pill. So could we have
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: gotten there in a way that the consent was way
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: more freely given yes than we should have?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Although I mean, speaking to your point, Danielle, I do
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: feel like it is relevant because because you are like
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: educating real kids, and I guess I just I wish
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: that if this is the way that that sex scene went,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: that the parts, like Kaitlyn, what you're addressing, like came
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: up at any point, because I think that there is
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: some instructiveness in that, because, like you're saying, Danielle, so
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: many early sexual experiences because of the lack of sex said,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: are awkward even if you have all the information, but
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: if you've been poorly educated, it can like really fuck
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: young people up. And you know when you add drinking
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: into that, like and if we're seeing one of those situations,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: which Kaitlyn, like you've basically described, like it is a
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: very messy situation, enthusiastic consent hasn't been given, then I
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: feel like, based on the kind of movie that this is,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: you should address that in some way, you know, like
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: either by adding the exchange you're talking about, Danielle, which
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: would resolve a lot of the problems, or like, I
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: think that there is a lot of value for a
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: movie marketed at teens like to show a sex scene
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: that is imperfect, because most likely that's I mean, the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: way a lot of initial sexual experiences are and then
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: watch the characters have to deal with it and talk
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: about it and process those emotions. But that doesn't happen.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like the movie is really built to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: be able to do that, and it like completely disregards
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the feelings of one of the participants. So it's just like, well,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: a movie that was like less leaning hard on kind
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of appatawi stuff at moments where you know, I cannot
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: tell a lie. I did roll my eyes when it
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: was the wrong drug. I was like, Okay, you know
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I've seen it, but you know that like leaning into
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. To me, if that's the tone, it's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: probably not a movie that's going to be able to
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: address a very complicated encounter like that. I don't know.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: But it does handle other things so well. Yeah, So
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know why it flubbed so badly on this
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: very important thing.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: My assumption is that they were trying to show the
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: realistic portrayal rather than show like a model example of
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: like what clear enthusiastic consent would look like. And yeah,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: like ultimately it's valid. Yeah, yeah, Like I totally obviously
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: agree with you in that, like enthusiastic yes must happen
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: throughout the experience. If you revoke consent, you don't. You
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: no longer have consent all the things that we teach.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: And at the same time, I'm kind of torn just
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: to think, like, do teens kind of again I don't
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: know a single teen, but do teens kind of see
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: depictions of quote unquote perfect consent and roll their eyes
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: at it and say like this is not realistic? Like
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: what is the balance of saying like, I'm going to
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: teach you what the correct way to talk to people
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: are and how to get consent and how does it
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: look like in the moment for you? And like, what
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: what does that look like to have that conversation with
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: young people?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: That's a great question. Yeah, it almost feels to me
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: like they wanted to show the awkwardness of a first
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: time penetrative sexual encounter. It's a very common thing, not
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: just for people having sex for the first time, but
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: also like I have awkward sexual encounters regularly and I'm
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: almost forty, Like sex is awkward and can be really
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: silly and awkward. To be clear, I am giving and
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: receiving enthusiastic consent every time, but I'm talking about just
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: like oops, you put your dick in the wrong hole,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: or oop, you're half flaccid still, or you know, just
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: like all those bodies awkward things, like the bodies are weird,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and these things happen continuously throughout our lives. So I
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: think what they were doing is like trying to show
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and again, especially for two people who have never had
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: sex them having sex for the first time, how awkward
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that would be. But I think I think that they
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: thought that not giving and receiving enthusiastic consent was like
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: part of the awkward experience. But you could have still
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: had that enthusiastic consent and it still have been also
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: very awkward on top of that. Totally to my point
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: of like I still I again give and receive enthusiastic
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: consent and still have very awkward sex from time to time.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I guess I feel like I'm following
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: something maybe somewhere in the in the middle here where
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, like that is how I have sex. Now.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's how I knew how to
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: have sex when I was having these initial encounters, So
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I do believe that there is value to it, But like,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I just think the movie kind of with it. I
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: had a more articulate thought in my head just a
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: moment ago. But oh, even with like, I think that
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: all of the information that you could pull from these
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: characters that we already know again, I just feel like
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: the fact that Kyle never physically appears again in the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: movie after that is a big problem because I think
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: we could, you know, safely assume that Sonny is very sheltered.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: She's clearly gotten info, right, but it seems like she
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: you know, both of the main girls in this movie
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: are from pretty like conservative value families. They're not openly
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: talking about sex. I don't think it's out of the
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: line of possibility that they are under educated about consent.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Especially in the sex said class they're taking with Rachel Dratch.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Like they're not learning about consuders.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think Rachel Dratch is teaching them.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: They're showing eighties VHS films totally.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: And then like Kyle is in that same class and
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: also is hyper religious, and you know, you're not getting
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: great sex said at church. Uh, generally, I've never heard
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: of it happening, And so I think that like, within
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: these characters, there is a way to understand why this
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: initial encounter would not be morally perfect or like a
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: textbook perfect sexual encounter. But if that's the choice that's
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: being made, and the movie's agenda is to better educate
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: its target audience, I feel like it might even be
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: more instructive to have these characters talk about it, you know.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: And I like that it's not like, oh, you know,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I think that if this movie came out thirty years ago,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, I had sex with Kyle and
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: now I'm in love with him, and like they would
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: like it makes sense they don't end up together. I
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: don't even know if they like each other, like, but
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: that if they would like take each other's emotional response
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: to this uncomfortable first encounter seriously, I feel like that
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: could actually be really instructive for the target audience. I
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: don't know either way. It doesn't happen well.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: He does try to reach out to her several times
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to be like, can we talk about this?
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I need to process he's saying, and.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: She's being very very dismissive of that, and then that
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: magically resolves when Kyle calls her back. I think it's
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: no sun to apologizes to her. He's like, sorry for
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: freaking out I feel fine now, and it's just like,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but also like you were really upset
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and guilt stricken about this and you didn't get a
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: chance to talk through it with this person.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Like not to defend one of the few sis men
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: in this movie, but I really felt I really really
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: felt for Kyle because it almost felt like putting yourself
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: in a teenage situation if you I mean again, it
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: feels like Sunny is almost behaving like in a way
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: that a boy in a movie would have behaved, yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: like years ago, and it would have been presented as
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: pretty shitty behavior, because I think it kind of is
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: pretty shitty behavior, no matters it. And if the shoes
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: on the other foot and you're Kyle and you're reaching
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: out and you're like, I really need to talk about
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: like this. I feel really conflicted about it, and we
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: don't really get to find out the reasons why. I
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: think it's implied that it's religious. But then I think
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: you assume because it doesn't seem like Kyle has much
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: of a support that he could go to about this.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: You can't bring this to your church youth group, really,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: and so it just seems like he apologizes to her,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: not because he's actually processed it, but because he's like
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: embarrassed that he's bothered by it and she's not communicating
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: with him. And so it almost felt like that character
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: like kind of doubles down on shame where he felt
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: this religious shame for losing his virginity before he was
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: quote unquote supposed to, and then feels compounded shame by
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: feeling like, oh, and I'm I was like bothering her
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: by wanting to discuss it afterward. I just felt bad
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: for the kid. He's not real, thankfully, just for Kyle.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: It's a fictional film, but I was like, Kyle was,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I feel like an under explored character. Also,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: he was in a Spy Kids movie, but like not
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: the Originals, the one where Joel McHale's the dad.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: WHOA, Yeah, interesting, is he a spy kid?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: He's one of the spy kids. He's in Spy Kids
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: four D. WHOA the one you can smell.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Also, I'm so sorry to interrupt about Spy Kids, but
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: just briefly, if you guys who are listening are interested
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: in hearing about kuhou Verma's takes on that sex scene
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: as an actor, I interviewed her, and a big chunk
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: of the interview of Sex with dB is just like
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: talking about what that is like to have to enact
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: that with a fellow actor, and how to feel safe
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: on set and kind of like what that really looks
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: like to be mimicking that essentially in front of a
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: room full of other people, depending on if it's an
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: open or close set, and so yeah, I just I
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: just found it fascinating as someone who is a nerd
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: about movies and TV shows about like the way in
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: which these things actually happen, and just like what her
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: portrayal was of it and her experience playing that character.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that rocks. Yeah, listeners, go check out that episode
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: of sex ad with dB.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm glad that there's more discussion on I mean,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: it's been a huge round of discourse recently about consent
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: on set and about intimacy coordinators and a pastor of
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: the changing landscape there because everyone feels the type of
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: way about it, and I think a lot of those
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: takes are kind of like underinformed.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: The other thing, the other scene that I thought was
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: really flubb a dub dubbed was the playground scene aka
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the scene where Sonny considers performing oral sex on that
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: guy Andy in exchange for a fake ID.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: We love to see Moses Strom get work, but at
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: what costs?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: But at what costs?
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: To be clear, I do not have a problem with
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: people trading sex for goods or money as long as
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: all parties involved are consenting adults.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Those the two well, that's the thing, is like, yeah,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: they're under duress.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: They're under duress, they're under duress, and one of them
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: is not an adult. In fact, both of them might
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: not be adults.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: And Moses and Moses Storm is like, all right, he's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: in his thirties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's like a
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: joke of like, oh, I mean it is a funny joke,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: but in the context of the scene it doesn't work.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, I'm seventeen too, I just have never
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: drank water. A funny joke. That is a funny joke
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: to be visibly thirty, but like it doesn't work.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: But also we don't know if he's lying. We don't
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: know what's going on. We do know that Sonny as
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: a character is a seventeen year old child. Yes, Kuhu Verma,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: who plays Sonny, was I think twenty five at least
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: when the movie came out, So the actor was an adult,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: but the teenage character is in this scenario. There's an
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: element of coercion here. Sonny clearly does not want to
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: do this. She's acting out of desperation. She's visibly uncomfortable.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: This whole thing is framed comedically for some reason. Obviously
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: she doesn't go through with it, but she's like in
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: this scene where like her face is mere inches away
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: from a like completely full frontal nudity penis and she's
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: seventeen years old, And Danielle, I'm curious to hear your
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: thoughts on it, but yeah, that was my take.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I was very surprised by the penis. I'll say that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't see it coming.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah on Molana's Internet.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Dear lord, I think they could have, you know, created
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: the same comedic effect if he had like a big
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: septum piercing right, Like, it could have been a similar
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: kind of thing where somehow her hair gets caught, you know,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: she tries to steal it and her hair gets caught
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: in the septum piercing without us needing to have, you know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: this sexual favors moment included, so I don't necessarily buy that, like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: oh well, it had to come back around for the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: mom to smell the cock ring or the penis ring
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: at the end.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Especially after like such a nice moment with the mom.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is the beat, guys.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not great. I think that. I guess it
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: was used as like a way to show again their
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: desperation and in order for them to get the speed
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: in order for Sonny to I don't know, it feels
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: like it was kind of maybe central in the writer's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: eyes to like create this offshoot of what happens and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: the high drinks that ensue. But I didn't love it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: It made me uncomfortable and I wish it wasn't really there.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: And at the same time, I guess I understand, yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: how desperate they are Sonny is in particular to get
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: this medication, and does kind of show that, like maybe
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: we could use it as a metaphor that young people
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: are basically willing to do whatever it takes in order
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: to get the reproductive health care they need. But this
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I'm stretching myself here.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: It's so hard, Okay, I also saying it is so
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: hard to straddle genres in the way that this movie
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: is trying to straddle genres, because this movie very much
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: does want to be a odyssey of like broad comedy
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, you have all the appetite beats of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: like you can name any comedy of the past twenty
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: years starring teenagers and someone takes the wrong drug and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Guy Fieri's there or someone is
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: a corn cop or whatever the fuck happens, which again,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: this is like my taste coming out where I just
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: am like, I'm so sick of it, but like I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: feel like it. This movie's trying to straddle being a
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: broad comedy that will appeal to a broad audience and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: a very personal, thoughtful story about reproductive health, and often
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: it works. But the moments where it doesn't, it like
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: to me, really doesn't, and this is one of them
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: To your point, Danielle, if the writers are trying to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: communicate like this is the lengths that people have to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: go to when they don't have access to reproductive health care, like.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be a funny care. There are a million.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Other ways to do that though, to heighten, to have
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: a very like heightened situation that's wild and hijinxy and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: potentially dangerous even without putting a minor in a situation
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: where she is going to basically be coerced into a
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: sexual act.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: For laughs that aren't even funny for laughs.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this is not like not the wokest take,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: but it's like, if you're going to do something that
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: tone deaf, it better be arguably sunny. But this is
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: just like, it's not, it's.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Not, it's not, and it's really icky. And again, there
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: were a million other scenarios that these characters could have
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: been put in that would have communicated the same level
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: of like look at the lengths that people have to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: go to without this like very compromising, very uncomfortable situation.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: So didn't work from at all.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: I think the planned Parenthood scene does this, and like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: it's not a comedic scene, but like I'm sure we'll
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: get to it, so maybe I should pause on that.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: But I guess just like we see the planned Parenthood
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: is permanently closed and we just see her breakdown and
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: weep in the parking lot, like this is many people's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: reality and when they can't get the reproductive healthcare that
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: they need and that they deserve, and that they want
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: so badly, And I thought that was a very moving,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: realistic part of the film.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And that's like where the movie is at its most
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: earnest and thoughtful, and for that to come on the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: heels of I think I honestly, the late second act
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: hijinks just were like not hitting for me very much.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: The party, I completely agree, it.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Just wasn't a different movie where and it was and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: not that this isn't true to reproductive health, but it
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: was out of context where it was like they sort
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: of have a series of male obstacles to overcome, but
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: they're not people who are trying to prevent them from
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: getting care, just guys doing something silly in the way,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: in the same way that I felt like the Edie
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Patterson character, and I'm I am Edie Patterson's number one fan,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: but the gas station character felt like, just when you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: think that that character is going to be like a
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: genuine ally to them, she just says something completely ridiculous
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: and it chooses broad comedy over a moment that would
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: advance the plot in a way that makes more sense,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: not like because it seems like, you know, we're led
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: to believe that that character defends defends the girls when
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: they're being sexually harassed in the gas station and parking lot,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: but then she throws that away by being like, oh no,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: I was coming out here to hit you with a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: bat because you stole a friendship bracelet. So it just
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: goes with like the dumbest joke on the table instead
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: of building a character. I don't know, you jut up
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: a towel movies.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I guess this is my I mean, luckily this is
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: not one.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Uh but like energy wise, you know what idea, it's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: like we're too high the person said something a little
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: silly instead of something that is advances the plot.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I do want to shout out the writer director
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: team here. So this movie was written by Protheki Schosren
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: of Austin and Joshua Levy and directed by Natalie Morales.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: So it's like a predominantly women behind the camera and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: these major creative roles women of color at that. So
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that's encouraging. However, some of these scenes didn't quite work.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Also, a shout out for behind the camera also a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: woman a cinematographer and composer, which I feel like we
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: don't see very often, So shout out.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: To true hell. Yeah, I don't want to talk about
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: the things that I thought worked really well.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, we've been we've been harping on the things
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: that don't work for a while.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: They are glaring, is the thing, and they feel very
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: out of place in this otherwise thoughtful, funny movie. Yeah,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: because I think that is most of the movie. Like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: most of it is done well. It's complicated and sensitive
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: topics are generally handled with care, except for those couple
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: scenes we already talked about. But like I mean, obviously
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: there's commentary in this movie on the state of reproductive
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: health care and education in the US and how abysmal
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: it is because you see like the ridiculous sex Said curriculum,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: which promotes abstinence until marriage and perpetuates double standards of
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: you know, women who have sex are damaged, tainted sluts.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: The fake like car sex Said video is very funny
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like great satire spot on. Yeah, there's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: commentary on just the overall limited access to reproductive healthcare
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: in the US. This includes people with uteruses have to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: travel hours and hours away just to get access because
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: it's not available in their area or it's highly restricted.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Allah pharmacists invoking conscience clauses and refusing medication to people
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: if it conflicts with their personal beliefs, and that is
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: almost always rooted in like very shamy, like slut shamy
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: type of mentalities.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like anti choice rhetoric. Yeah. Yeah, so
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: that someone at CVS can change the course of your
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: fucking life.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah right. The Planned Parenthood being shut down probably because
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: it was defunded or you know, something happened along those
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: lines that this place that is otherwise a beacon of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: you know, reproductive health care is inaccessible now to people
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: who need it. So that commentary that's present throughout the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: movie is very effective. The focus on female friendship is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: really nice. There's queer representation, there's nice like mother daughter
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: and father daughter relationships, reppers and in the like romantic subplot.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Like I thought most of that stuff was handled very well.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: I liked that their friendship, Like the way that the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: two main characters are written is I think, really really thoughtful.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Where they're flawed in all of the ways that seventeen
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: year olds are flawed. They are, I mean I think
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: about sometimes, yeah, like the really close friendships you have
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: when you're young, and how both you feel like you
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: can share anything with this person, and also their opinion
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: matters so much that it can lead to like withholding
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: parts of yourself because if your best friend judges you,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: who do you have? And I like that you know
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: they are these sort of like oasis is of safety
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: for each other, and they love their parents, but their
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: they can't talk to their parents about shit, and that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: even in this like close trusted friendship, there are these
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: worries of like if you know every part of me,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: will that change our friendship permanently? Like again, like between
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: the two main characters, like it's so layered and I'm
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: still so funny, and I love moments where they're like
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: singing to the Jesus Trap song. It's so funny, it's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: so sweet and.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Like yes, very original, it was great.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Like and it feels like a real lived in friendship.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: And I think also with Sunny's character, I mean, also
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: it's amazing that it's two women of color who are
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: leading this, which so rarely happens in any genre. But
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like with Sunny's character, she is I think
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: you could argue like the main main character and I don't.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: I think that usually that role would be reversed. I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: think that, like Sonny, if you wrote down her qualities
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: of like she is less sexually experienced, I feel like
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: she's has more of like how people normally write sidekicks,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: and it centers her, and it centers her story and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: her needs, and it doesn't shame her for inexperience, and
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: it like really fully explores that. And I appreciate that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: because I think that, yeah, like it's a quote unquote
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: sidekick cod character who is given the full space to grow,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: and that that doesn't take away from Lupe's story either.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: True.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna ask if we could talk
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: about the way that Lupe's queer identity is kind of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: like portrayed and how this, like you know, is shown
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: throughout the film, just because I feel like it was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: just so I don't know, it felt really heartwarming to me,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: and like, you know, you could tell how nervous she
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: was to kind of tell Sonny and the fact that
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: you know, half of the movie we don't know that
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: she's queer along with Sonny, we're kind of kept in
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: the dark as the audience.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: And I just.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Thought her relationship with Logan was like her budding romance
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: was like very sweet and tender, and it felt realistic
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: that like, these two people probably met on like snapchat
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: on Instagram or something and they hadn't met in real
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: life because they're like an hour and a half away
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: from each other two hours and like they can't drive
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: to see each other or whatever it is. So there
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: are just a lot of great parts to it that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I really liked that like it divert. One of the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: like diversions from this like again is like appatoo formula
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: that I feel like this movie pulls from in moments
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: is that before they get to the party. And also
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: I felt like it weirdly undercut Logan's character that the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: car was taken all that stuff, where it's like, I
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: don't think I would be necessarily trusting Logan quite as quickly. Again,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: but that's a separate thing. But I really liked that
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: the movie took a moment and I think in what
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: a normal teen comedy would be like hyjenks hyjenks hyjenks
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: that both of their crushes end up being sweet and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: decent people who like and accept them, and you just
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: get like a really grounded character moment and it's still
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: funny and I just wish the whole movie did that,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: because I really like the scene between Sunny and Hunter
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: and the diners very sweet and especially I mean like
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Lupa and Logan, I'm like, I love them. I hope
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: that they snapchat each other for as long as snapchat exists,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: because it just like it was such a sweet encounter
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: and like it was one of those cool I don't know,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: I like portrayals of moments like that.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: She's teaching her to play the drums too, just giving
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: kind of little little crush moments.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: It's really really sweet and it doesn't like in the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: way so many teen movies do. It's not like they're
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: gonna get married. This is forever. It's like this was
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: a really formative, safe, wonderful experience that like moves Lupey
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: forward and wanting to claim her identity and like it's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: really and I think that like there that with Lupe.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, she lives in South Dakota, she's the daughter
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: of a pastor. I think that her anxiety is around that,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: even if she does fully accept herself, is realistic for
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: the time and place that this movie takes place in,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: and it's like really nice to see Sonny, you know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't even have to think about it, Like she's like,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: you're being ridiculous because on paper, sure, but also it's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: like when you think about who Lupia is, what her
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: experience is, and like how important Sonny is to like
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: her supports that it would feel like a risk for
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: her and it's just really sweet to see her be
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: accepted and just like have a beautiful moment with Logan.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I wish that the whole party scene after that just
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: didn't happen.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I don't like that, don't like the whole van thing.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Xander. I was like, who what is that?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: He was in? What was that Netflix show? He was
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: in a Netflix show that I saw playing like an
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: a whole team. I can't remember which one of them.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Was this this type cast actor?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, what reasons why? That's what show he was in?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I can't believe that show came out in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: the last ten years. So what a what a moment?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: Not great.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Another thing I really like about the queer romance is
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: that it gets as much screen time and narrative weight
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: as the hetero romantic subplot between Sonny and Hunter, which
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: is pretty rare to see considering that if there is
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: a queer subplot in a movie, well, first of all,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: they're often non existent, or if there are queer characters,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: there's only kind of like an implied romance between them,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: or if it is a more fully realized subplot, it'll
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: take up less space in the story than a hetero subplot,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: or if they do kind of get together, there won't
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: be any physical contact between them. But we see Loupe
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: and Logan kiss before the straight people kiss each other,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: and I was like, WHOA, that's also very rare to see.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: They're going at it in the real estate fan exactly.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, like hetero romances are often portrayed in
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: ways that leaves a lot to be desired in movies.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: But I really like the romantic subplot between Sonny and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Hunter in the sense that Hunter is a really sweet guy.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Because so many hetero romances the movie is asking the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: audience to root for a very toxic man, a very
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: toxic dynamic, and in this case, like as we said,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: it's like, are there young teen boys like this that
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: exists in the world. I don't definitely do. I'm not
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: saying they don't, guys. I'm sorry. I think Hunter's a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: corny character and I like him, yeah, he like we
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: see him challenge those sexist double standards. In the sex
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Said Class, he has this really nice interaction with Sonny
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: where she tells him like, I'm a slut. I did
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: this horrible thing. I had sex with someone I don't
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: even like, and now I have to get the morning
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: after pill. And she's being very like judging and shaming
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: of herself and he's like, no, no, no, like, you
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: don't have to feel like that. He's not judging her
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: at all or shaming her. Like it was a really
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: refreshing thing to see. I think he's really sweet.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then he responds by saying like, I mean
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: he doesn't say this exactly, but I kind of like that.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: She's like I'm a slut, I'm awful and all this stuff,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: anticipating judgment from him, and then he's like, well, no,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: you're a nerd like me, Like, oh, it's true.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: Also the way that he kind of talks about the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: shitty sex ed abstinence film that they see in sex
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Ed Class, he actually is the one that sticks up
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: for girls and women and says like, well, what about
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: his car? Why aren't we seeing his car? Because they're
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: using this metaphor that the wife in the film's car
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: is broken and busted aka she has had sex before
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: marriage and therefore no one will want her, which, by
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: the way, are metaphors that many states still use, and
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: they're really horrific sex head classes with miss and disinformation
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: and shaming tactics. And I really like that he's the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: one that is questioning this because it feels like he
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: is truly showing up as an ally in that moment
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: for them.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: It was nice. Does anyone have any other thoughts about
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: the movie?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: I just, I guess wanted to acknowledge the parents one
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: more time that I you know, again, it's like the
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: parents don't appear very much. But I did like just
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: sort of the portrayal, especially between Sonny and her mom.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: I think that, like Lupa and her dad, for me,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: is like a little bit rushed at the end, where
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like the guy we met at the beginning
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: wouldn't keep asking her where she was, Like was it
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: his whole thing that he was overbearing and not negligent?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Like whatever, it resolves, and I like that it's sort
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: of left as like a this Lupa is not going
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: to be comfortable coming out to her father overnight. But
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: they have this moment of connection and love and it's good.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: But I really really liked Sonny's relationship with her mom,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: and like, you know, not everyone is lucky enough to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: have that experience, but I've had times like that with
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: my mom where it's like you, it's not even a
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: question to Sonny, I can I talk to my mom
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: about this? She's like, no, I can't. I will be judged,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I will be shamed. That's just her assumption based on
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: her mom's behaviors. Seems like a valid assumption. But then
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: having like those moments when you're a teenager of like
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: your parent having to sort of recognize your humanity in
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: order to show up for you. I really appreciated that
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: her mom was able to do that for her, and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: that she demolished the guy at CVS and like made
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: sure that I don't know, I just I thought that
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: that was like a very sweet dynamic and that whole moment,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: like at the when Sonny's at her lowess of like
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: I want my mom, Like who hasn't felt that way?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: It's very very sweet.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciated that as well. I also appreciate that
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: there is more racial diversity and body diversity in this
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: cast than you'd expect from a teen movie or any
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: movie in general. And something I also wanted to note
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: is that you do see a few examples of characters
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: making racist comments to Sonny and or Loupe, which those
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: characters challenge and mock. So it's just like nice to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: see the evolution of the presence of racism in teen
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: comedies because in the you know, eighties, nineties, and early
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: two thousands and even like after that, the racism in
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: the movie was characters who we were supposed to be
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: rooting for being openly racist and hateful. This seems to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: have mostly shifted to racism in a movie being framed
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: as wrong and bad, and the main characters who we
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: are rooting for are challenging it. So it's just nice
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: to see that shift because we've covered so many teen
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: movies of decades past where there were racist comments being
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: made and we were supposed to laugh along with them.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: So it's just nice to see that shift.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: Totally. This is a tangential thing, but I wonder if
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: I could have one minute to kind of assess some
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: of like the science factual parts of Emergency contraception and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Plan B in this film, yeah, because I think that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: that might might be helpful for people listening, because yeah,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: there are just a few things that aren't really talked
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: about at all, and obviously they don't have the time
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: or the wherewithal, but we're here now, so I'd love
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: to share some things, please. So in terms of the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: most effective emergency contraception option that there is, Plan B
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: is actually the third most effective emergency contraceptive option. The
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: first is the copper IUD, which must be inputted by
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: a medical provider. Quite unrealistic for people to get an
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: appointment asap after an accident happens, but the copper IUD
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: does reduce the risk of pregnancy by ninety nine point
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: nine percent, and you know it also has the added
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: bonus of preventing pregnancy for up to twelve years if
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: you are interested in IUD. The second most effective option
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: is an EC pill called Ella, and Ella has to
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: be prescribed by a medical provider taken within five days
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: of unprotect did sex, and it also works best for
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: people who weigh up to one hundred and ninety five pounds.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all know, but there are kind
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: of weight suggestions for Plan B and for Plan B,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: which is the most accessible emergency contraception pill, you can
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: get it, you know, on Amazon Prime, you can get
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: it at CVS your local store, and if you take
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: it as directed within seventy two hours after you've had it,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: it can reduce your risk of pregnancy by up to
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: eighty nine percent, And if you take it within twenty
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: four hours, it works even better. So Sonny kind of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: talks about this like ticking against the clock. She kind
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: of has this number of like sixty one percent. I
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: don't know where she got that.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: It feels it's not correct.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that. All I know is the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: seventy two hour mark. So yeah, so that's important to share.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: And Plan B works best for people with uteruses that
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: weigh up to one hundred and sixty five pounds. If
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: you weigh more than this, you still should take Plan
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: B if it's your only accessible option, but it makes
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: it less effective. So I just think this is like
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: super fucked up that according to the CDC, the average
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: American person with the uterus age twenty and over is
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: actually one hundred and seventy point eight pounds. So for
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: the average person with the uterus, Plan B actually is
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: not as effective as it should be. So those are
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: kind of the main things I wanted to share, kind of.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Just to thank you for sharing that. Yeah.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, hopefully they make some adjustments to make it more
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: body inclusive.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Inclusively people with userses like that's absurd.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for sharing that information. I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: would like to talk a little bit more about my
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: upcoming hysterectomy, So I do want to acknowledge that both
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: as someone who has already gotten my tubes tied and
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: who is getting a hysterectomy, and while both of these
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: procedures were a challenge for me to get because of
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: bias in American health care health care in general, where
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: people with uteruses are seen as baby making machines and
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: it's their duty to bear children, and doctors will routinely
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: deny you access to these procedures. They will convince you
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: that you'll change your mind about wanting to have children,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. This is particularly true for
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: white people because there is a long history in the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: US and elsewhere around the world of particularly black and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: indigenous people with uteruses who have been forcibly sterilized without
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: their consent for eugenics purposes. So even though you know,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: it was difficult for me to get these procedures to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: exercise autonomy over my body and my reproductive health, it
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: is still a privilege that I was able to do
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: that because a lot of people don't have and have
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: not had that privilege, and they have been forcibly sterilized
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: when they might have wanted to have children. So you know,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: the powers that be exercising control over reproduction has a
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: lot to do with racism and eugenics. So I just
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to acknowledge that, acknowledge my privilege in this situation.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: And it's like, let people make their own decisions about
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: their own bodies, duh.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: But period point blank.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And like the same goes for just I mean,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: women of color are being disbelieved in medical situations constantly
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: because you know, society conditions people to view them as
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: less human than white patients, which is just like, I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: don't know, I think you hear a million stories to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: that effect.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then the final thing I wanted to talk
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: about is the etymology of the word hysterectomy buckle in everybody. So,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: as we've said, a hysterectomy is the removal of the uterus,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: so ectomy signifying the surgical removal of a specified part
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: of the body. But we're like, okay, hister, what's that.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: What's that coming from? Well, it comes from the Greek
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: word hysteria, meaning womb, and the Latin word hystericus, meaning
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: of the womb. From these words evolved the concept slash
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: quote unquote medical condition of hysteria, which referred to any
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: number of health conditions that were diagnosed almost exclusively in
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: women and were believed to be caused by the uterus. Hence,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: this term hysteria rooted in these Latin and Greek terms.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm pulling from an article in useless etymology dot
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: com which points out that a nineteenth century American physician
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: named George Miller Beard compiled a seventy five page list
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: of possible symptoms of histil area, a list which he
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: claimed to be incomplete. Still, so seventy five pages wasn't enough.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: There was more, according to him, But it included things
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: like heartburn, vertigo, headaches, choking, depression, poor attention span, jealousy,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: who knows jealousy, anxiety, death, just name a few. You know,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: we like when I hear the word hysteria, I associate
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: it with like not able to regulate your emotions, like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: having emotional outbursts, like all this sexist.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like giving someone a reason to dismiss you. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: yeah because yeah yeah right.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: So apparently, sometimes hysterectomies were performed to quote unquote cure
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: quote unquote hysteria, since doctors believed that the uterus was
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the cause of these problems. Also, in ancient like Western medicine,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: there was this condition wandering womb, in which the uterus
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: would band name right, in which the uterus would just
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: move around inside your body of its own accord. It
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: would just wander around in there, and that that was
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: thought to cause a lot of health issues and have
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: all these symptoms. This is, of course not a real condition,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: but this is what old timey physicians used to think
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: was happening. Obviously, all of this speaks to a century's
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: long fear and distrust and dismissiveness towards people with uteruses
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: and their bodies and emotions. And I just think it's.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Wild that So it was like exclusion from the medical
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: field too.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, because I was like, why the fuck
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: is it called a hysterectomy. That's why. I don't know
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: how prominent this movement is, but it seems as though
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: there is a movement to rename the procedure to U directomy,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: which sounds more accurate, at least more accurate. So yay,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I just had a you direct to me, everybody. But yeah,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to say about it.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I mean yeah, truly, I know that I,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: up until somewhat recently, was not well educated enough about
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: what a hysterectomy or you direct me as I will
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: call it beforeward, actually is and entails. This isn't a
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: criticism of the movie, because no movie is qualified to
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: take on everything, but I just wanted to acknowledge as well,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: particularly because we're recording this two days after the second
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Trump inauguration, that reproductive access for trans patients is also
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: something that is deeply under discussed, especially during a time
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: where trans healthcare is going to be increasingly under attack,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: that this movie. I mean again, it's not a criticism
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: of this movie in particular, but because reproductive health health
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: has only really become harder to access since this movie
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: came out less than four years ago, it's just important to, yeah,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that this is an issue that affects fucking everybody
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: and that it's not just you know, fem presenting people
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: who need access to healthcare and need to be.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Believed and trusted totally. I mean bringing it back to hysterectomies,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: many non binary and trans mask people seek getting a
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: hysterectomy as a part of their gender reforming care, and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: that's an uphill battle for many, if not most of them.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, uh, definitely worth acknowledging. Yeah, does anyone have
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  Speaker 1: anything else they'd like to say?
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  Speaker 2: I liked the Jesus Trap song.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: We should catch the lyrics of that, Yeah, maybe make
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: a choreographed dance. Yeah, Yes, I guess the final yeah
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: thing that I want to drive home is that, like,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: while there are many things that this movie could have
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: improved upon, could have you know, a few scenes that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: maybe were unnecessary or some extra dialogue that was needed,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: I do think that it is a step in the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: right direction of portraying accurately what some of these issues
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: that folks who are teenagers, specifically you know, women of color,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: girls of color are experiencing in these states, especially where
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: their rights are just consistently being taken away, and all
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: the more reason that we should bring attention to these
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: issues and also hopefully laugh a bit and feel like,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: you know, sweet sweetness while we're learning about them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was nothing like this. No movie is like
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: this when I was a teenager that I could have got.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there was that scary thing from
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six you described.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: To us, Oh yeah, Maternal Instincts where a deranged woman
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: tries to kill her.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Doctor after having the hysterical surgery. I totally agree with you, Danielle,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: where it's like, we know, picked on this movie for
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: certain things, but this is this is the kind of
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: movie that again just doesn't exist and is important because
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: it leads to other movies like it ideally, and you know,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about so many movies like that
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: on this podcast that even though it hasn't been very
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: long since this movie came out, I hope, especially as
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: reproductive healthcare continues to be a very pressing issue, that
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: it will like inspire other filmmakers to make their version
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: of this movie and sort of continue to grow. And
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: also the fact that I really wish that more movies
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: like this because both movies. I think it is relevant
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: to say that both movies that came out around this time,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Unpregnant and Plan B were both streamer movies. I would
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: like to see movies like this actually get a proper
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: release and marketing campaign. But I think that these stories
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: are viewed in Hollywood circles as risky and like, Okay,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: we want to do you know, we vote blue no
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: matter who, so we want to have this movie, but
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: like we can't actually promote it, you know, because this
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: is a movie that but I think like a lot
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: of people would really benefit from seeing. But I don't know,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I don't recall seeing very much promotion of it. Like
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: I think if this wasn't an interest I had and
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: an issue that matters a lot to me, I don't
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: know that this movie would have just come to me
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: in the way that Sonic three does. You know, not
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: that any teen movie gets Sonic three promotion, but you
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, I think a proper theatrical
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: release and marketing campaign obviously makes a huge difference, and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: you know, getting the movie to its intended audience and
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: also beyond to get you know, people who wouldn't normally
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: be thinking about reproductive health care because they don't perceive
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: it as affecting them.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: So like that Book Smart, I feel like BookSmart kind
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: of exists in this kind of tangential world where, yeah,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: this is kind of like an elevated Book Smart when
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: it comes to like reproductive health issues and queer issues
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: and like all of these things.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Oh, the movie does pass the Bechdel
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: test very handily, regularly between several different combinations of care,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: which is predominantly Sonny and Loupe, but.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: Also Lope and Logans, Sonny and our mom Doris.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: Don't forget about door Doris.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of women chatting about this, and that.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Tell me about it. As far as our nipple scale,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: where we rate the movie on a scale of zero
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: to five nipples, examining the movie through an intersectional feminist lens,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this between like a three and a
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: three and a half. I wish I could give it more,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: but it's just those two scenes that really bothered me,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: that feel so misguided and could have been rewritten in
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: such a way so easily that they wouldn't have been
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: so problematic and uncomfortable. It seems very discongruent with a
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: lot of the rest of the movie. That they're there
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: and that they're written the way that they are because
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: they deal with things like consent and sexual coercion. And
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: I'll give it three half nipples, docking it for those scenes.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: But by and large, this movie does handle other things
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: very very well, and I do think it's a great
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: step in the right direction. Is a very like, Yeah,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: more movies like this, please, minus those couple scenes that
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: were mishandled. But yeah, I'll go three and a half nipples,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: and I'll give I'll split my nipples between the writer,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: the director, the two main leads, and I'll give so
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: like three to all them. And then I'll give my
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: half nipple to the nineteen ninety six TV movie Maternal Instincts.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where's the rev remake it.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: I'll rewrite it and it'll be about me, a deranged
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: person who got a hysterectomy and is upset about it.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna go three and a half as well.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: I think speaking to your point, Danielle, that like it is,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: this is a very important movie to exist. And the
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: two things I want to say because I know that
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: like there were times where I was coming down pretty
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: hard on this movie. This movie is tasked with a
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: lot that most movies haven't even attempted. So the fact
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: that that both happened happened with a director with a
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: uterus that this is a very important issue to happen
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: with leads to women of color, like all of these
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: things that rarely happen in movies are happening here and
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: are released on a major streamer. That is like no
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: small feat. So well, there are my gripes with the movie,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: or my gripes with the movie, but there are so
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: few movies like this that it is kind of a
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: miracle that it exists in the way that it does.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: And I also wanted to just say, even though I
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: wasn't able to find a lot of information about the
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: production specifically, but I would not be shocked if some
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: maybe not the initial sex scene, but the Moses storm scene.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: It feels very studio notes to me, where it's just like,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: make something silly happen. And again it's like that's this
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: is a Hulu movie. It is very much not outside
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: the realm of possibility that a couple like dipshit executives
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: are like, I haven't what if there was a Pepe
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: that was Peers like some shitty like I don't want
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: to assume that this was all like this was always
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: the most important thing to happen. That might explain some
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: of the tonal dissonance. Maybe that's inherent to the project.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it is a movie that's important
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: to exist, and the gripes that I have with it
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: are gripes that I don't have with other movies because
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: movies like this don't exist. So I hope it will
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: continue to lead to more movies that don't contain these issues,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: that have wider releases. But I think Natalie Morales and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Pratheisterna Vasin have really done something amazing. And Joshua Olivia,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. I don't know. It's like
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: when people are like Noah Bombac wrote Barbie and like,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: but like, did he did he? I really don't think
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: that he did. Like maybe he was nearby, like I
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: know they share a home, but like wrote the movie. Anyways,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: I just don't believe that's that's a conspiracy theory. At
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Line was like I think that she was just she
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: owed him a favor or something. Anyways, I'm going to
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: give it three and a half nipples, and I'm going
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: to yes, give one to Napalie Morales, one to protheys
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: rina vasin split one between kuhoo Verma and Victoria Morales,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: and then I'm going to give my half nipple two
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Sonny's Mom because I uh the character but also the actor.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Why not? But like the character because I was really
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: pleasantly surprised by and I really liked that ending beat
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: between the two of them. I think that that was
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: like a really thoughtful, cool beat. So yes, the character
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Sunny's Mom gets my last half nipple.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Lovely, Danielle, how about you?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Before my rating really quick, Jamie, you mentioned that
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: there aren't really many other movies like this, but I
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: want to shout out the movie fitting In. I don't
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: know if you I have heard of this movie, but
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: it stars Mattie Ziegler and it focuses on a teen
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: who's diagnosed with mrk H syndrome, which is a condition
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: where a person is born without a uterus. And it
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: is directed by Molly McGlynn, who I also had on
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: SEXI with dB recently to talk about this film and
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: Molly McGlynn. This is based on her own experiences, and
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: so just a really fantastic film, very well acted. Highly
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: recommend it if you're looking for more films to cover
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: about reproductive health care and conditions. But that is neither
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: here nor there. I'm going to give this film four nipples.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: I think overall, I have ye hopefully planted my flag
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: about how important I think that it is that we're
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: showing realistic depictions of sex scenes. And yes, of course
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: we want enthusiastic consent no matter what, hands down period.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: And I really like the way in which yeah, female
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: friendship is portrayed here, the kind of desire to get
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: reproductive healthcare needs met, and the kind of silliness that
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: happens along the way. I love the way that queerness
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: is depicted in this film. And yeah, just overall, I
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: really enjoyed this movie. I loved watching it a second
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: time around. I'm gonna give all of my nipples to
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: Kuhuverma and Victoria Morales. I think I just love these actors.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: I love the way that they portrayed their friendship, and
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: that's where all my nipples are going.
• 1:41:27
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