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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 18-04-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
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This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
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many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us free come Te,
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I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all,
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which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life.
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Well, well, very good morning, Spain, bon day, friends
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and friends, we are already traveling on this train in no untiring thirty-
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two years, week after week, a magaxin of more than three hours,
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accompanying so many friends to hundreds to thousands as they count and many guests who
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are with us day after day. Come with me this morning that we also
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have something very important to tell you. We' re going to travel together.
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We' re going there on the train of life. Let me make
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this headline, which is precisely the headline of the publication of my new book,
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My second book, is a book based on experiences that have to do
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with this traveling train. They are also reflections of a pilgrim, of one
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of so many one who travels through life, in this case, a servant
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and who is counting life, is having sensations, impressions, observes some and
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others. It makes good reflections, both spiritual and philosophical and also very everyday
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and very of us, ordinary citizens. Well, I' m telling you
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that this weekend, on the Amazon platform, you' ll be able to
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dispose of it and for all intents and purposes it' s already there on
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the platform, but this weekend it' ll be available for sale. The
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book of Julio Pérez, a servant traveling on the train of life, as
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I advance them. I remember when we started this radio magaxin, the train
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of life, somewhat adventurous in the spring of the ninety- two, on
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the eve of the Olympic Games, the Olympic Games of Barcelona of the ninety
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- two that was in July an unforgettable year, the year of Spain.
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This was undoubtedly considered the year of Spain, both for the celebration of the
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Barcelona Games, the Olympic Games and the universal exhibition of Seville. And really
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for all of us it was a year of great success. We never got
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a medalist. I think we got a ski medal at the Olympics, at
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the Winter Games with Fernández Ocheas and after decades Franco still lived. I remember
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he came in as a great hero for the Castilian, but we didn'
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t win anything. It was and that in those Olympics between twenty- two
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and twenty- three, medals, silver medals, bronze medals, gold medals
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in the Spanish athletes. And also that year, in addition to the Year
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of Spain, the Universal Exhibition and the Olympic Games, was the year of
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the modernization of Spain. In many ways. The infrastructures of Spain were very
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advanced and especially Barcelona gained a citizen impulse as a city was updated in such
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an important city. True, those heights were still considered in terms of the
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train of life that we started in the spring a little bit on the eve
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of the Olympic Games. At that point it was considered in the evangelical world
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that a radio program like the Train of Life in the ninety- two was
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too mundane a program. And why, because we interviewed people of all human
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disciplines. We interviewed athletes, just a posteriori, some of the athletes who
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won medals, both Christians, some of them We had the opportunity to interview
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them international as some national and good, and we interviewed some believers, others
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did not, but we told us things about life and talked with journalists,
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writers, theologians, doctors, specialists, psychologists, good of everything, artists
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from any artistic field. And it was considered that this was too mundane a
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program at the discretion of some, and that made me think that we had
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come quite late to dialogue with our generation in the different spheres of social life,
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because we were totally or almost totally decontextualized. The train of life.
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Humbly and without pretense, I realized that I was a precursor to a different
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narrative in the evangelical media. Since then and in the last thirty- two
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years, I have been able to see with great joy the emergence of a
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new generation of Gospel communicators in the evangelical media, as I can tell you
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Juan Carlos Parra, Daniel Diez, Fernando Díaz, Lucho, Panduro Bueno and
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Daniel Va Luja, a servant among those who are in the media, who
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are journalists, journalists and many of them avant- garde, training journalists,
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are academics and, in addition, social communicators. I mean, we'
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re not undercover here making an amateur. It can also be if it is
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given well, the art of communication, because it has the right. Look
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Luis del Olmo did not study at the university and has been the best journalist
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that Spain has had in recent years, the one who invented the radio talk
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and, besides that Doctors Causes was named for his career. In addition,
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I had the pleasure of working with him, at least in the sphere of
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his influence in the late nineties on zero wave and good and enjoyed a man
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of tanintal, with that radio empathy he had and with that special gorge,
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then. But, but in our realm a certain generation of communicators and others
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have risen and others that are there, that are maters, but that do
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very well as radio life intermature and others in locals, in different places.
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It means that we have advanced in the media with this whole new generation,
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which is a bolder and more contemporary generation. But I say again humbly I
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believe that the Train of Life was a precursor program of this new narrative in
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the evangelical media. This has even been publicly stated by several of these journalists,
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publicly as the Ten of Life was a standard bearer of a new narrative,
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a new language, an approach to reality, to the present day.
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The Ten of life wanted to be a kind of living parable, describing human
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landscapes and also open dialogues, with hundreds, hundreds and no longer exaggerating of
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guests who have been telling us things and cases of life, always with different
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nuances in many aspects, in others, well, as everyone tells it,
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because we are of the same pasta, the, the, the, the
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human community. But there are unknown aspects and angles. That blind self of
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human spirituality well explained, without mysticisms and without unusual eccentricities, but just as
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the scripture, the word of God makes known and we have been able to
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do so and we continue to do so. Travelling on the train is an
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experience that I personally find very rewarding. I love to travel by train.
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I travel a lot in the birds, a lot Madrid, Barcelona and other
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destinations as well, but much more Madrid Barcelona in the bird. Old often
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to different places in the country and I can find certain parallels with our journey
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through life in general. What you are there on the train in your thoughts,
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you are seeing the external landscapes, some because they are landscapes because of
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fields, countryside, through mountains, sunset is sunrise Sometimes you see some population
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than another. And with these trains so fast, actually then traveling is an
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interesting thing. From our particular train of life, we see the outer world
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encircled, as I say with the landscape, also performing various tasks while traveling.
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In addition to gliding from time to time, if the trip is a
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bit long because we do not travel by train, we can also read,
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read or write. I read, for example, I buy one or two
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paper newspapers, because I read every day of four or five newspapers online to
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stay up to date, but I like to have the paper and when I
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travel by train. I try to have newspapers write on our laptops. We
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can also talk on the phone. We can talk to other passengers occasionally inside
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that many people don' t want to talk, but some do and we
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talk about any inconsequential things. Some of them tell you things that are really
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just hot and how we can' t get close to the coffee shop to
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enjoy a good coffee or have an xpress sandwich if we feel like it.
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Meanwhile, the train continues its course unstoppably until we reach our final destination.
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Where life is going. Yeah, it' s like a running train that
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transports us to different places. Sometimes we also experience some rather disturbing journeys,
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even startling ones, some time and in the worst cases, as we lived
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a few years ago here in Spain, in Madrid, the eleven meters we
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celebrated the twenty years recently, the tragedy of trains, of trains of death,
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not certain trains that can lead us, in the worst case, to
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a fatal destination. Other trains of life also in many cases people have lost
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both their compass and brakes. They have no brakes, no control of themselves,
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and they travel aimlessly exposed to total disaster from moment to moment. But
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if the real train of life is the one we take, it leads us
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to a certain and safe destination, it is the train of life. The
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great engineer who runs this train, the traveling train is the same. Lord
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Jesus Christ, our great Timonel, not of the ship, but of the
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train that leads us in life. And it' s true, it seems
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like a parable and it is, but it' s true and for that
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very reason I wanted to publish this collection of public reflections. It' s
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fifty reflections with five seasons. Actually there are six, because the season ends
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at the sixth station and then a final epilogue. I also have the honour
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of being prologued by the Director General of Aeropago Protestant, Don Pedro Tarquis,
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who has an exquisite verb and I thank him very much, because all the
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words that dedicate me. Therefore, I wanted to publish this collection of reflections
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that I have titled traveling on the train of life, temporary reflections for an
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eternal destiny that we have already uploaded, already since the end of last week,
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but today is practically already climbing. Tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
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you will already be on the platform available in Amazón, available as an
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amazon for all of you. The economic price twelve euros so that it is
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available to all. And it' s 180 pages, it' s fifty
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reflections in six sections of eight. Then there is an introduction that is an
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article and a very important final article, also that you will see and you
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know that I have a blog in digital Protestant that is also entitled the train
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of life. Well, everyone converges on the blog, the radio show that
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maybe associates my person with the train of life. Thirty- two years.
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There' s na, it' s no small thing. And then this
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book, which expresses many things from life, from Christian life, from faith,
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from men, from women today, feelings, perceptions, interpretations, biblical
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and philosophical reflections, everyday questions and very soulful things that anyone can easily identify
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with me. Therefore, I want to invite you to enjoy this reading of
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my new book, traveling on the train of life, as well as of
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the Radio Magaxin, the train of life, this same and that of my
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weekly blog, which is also called the train of life. He is always
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grateful to God for giving me this privilege of being able to enjoy on this
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journey at train pace with such good friends and companions of such a hopeful journey
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to an eternal destination, for look for any information beyond the Amazon platform and
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acquire it and thank him infinitely traveling on the train of life and enjoy it.
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I hope you enjoy it, because if you want to write me for
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anything my email is Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life. It'
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s Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life. Point is or can also
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more and nothing less. Otherwise, I wish you a good trip. Friends,
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let' s go there today the train of life life life or,
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ladies and gentlemen, for this morning we will be well accompanied. First of
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all, we' ll be happy to talk to Daniel ozkand director of Protestant
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Digital and also, real journalist of the other race, and it' s
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a pleasure to talk about with another look of today. Some things are the
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ones that everyone counts, but perhaps very sui generis observations. In some cases
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also talk about ours, what happens in the Protestant world, which ignores a
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lot, if they are things, some of them important to a large extent,
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because there will be the other look of the day with Daniel Ozcahan,
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director of Protestant Digital and in our second station we will be addressing Here will
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be our study. Gonzalo Soriano, who is the coordinator and promoter of all
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missionary programs and productions of biblical society. He' s a tireless man.
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He' s a tireless man. We all know him and we love Gonzalo,
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but he' s a real ambassador and you' ll see the interview.
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Now he' s traveling, he' s in the other part of
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the world. He had to travel, but we recorded the interview and I
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tell you one thing. It is very interesting this interview about everything that the
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world lives, from biblical society, its missionary projects and then how its publications
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work and the proposals it grants and offered by the Biblical Society of Spain,
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which are unknown, but are very interesting for the evangelical people. And for
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everyone who wants to adopt it as their own. Of course, it has
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opened up to everyone and will be with us here on the train of life
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Gonzalo Soriano. Don' t miss it. And finally we have Dr Roca
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talking about what cse Lewis was saying, the pain problem. What we do
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with pain, how we get out when the pain is persistent, it'
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s chronic, when there are pain clinics today, but when that' s
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not enough, how we deal with it, how it lives, the one
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who suffers it, and how the family lives it. Well, then,
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the mad doctor knows with such a pastoral heart that he is also a pastor
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and theologian, he is also but he is a great medical professional. It
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always brings us up to date with everything and with so much, to the
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point, because there we will be in the htel of life. Good music,
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very good company. Don' t miss it. Here we go.
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or mirable, God majesty, your so equalable you are powerful, inscritable,
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kind amaze me your love for me I come to worship you? You?
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I come to adore you? You? I come to adore you? To
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you revenge my astonishment so my aga so, sir you are, dye of
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every dorasion qua so, you do not want comparison of two. Gloria,
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we give glory to you you are my protector, my refuge, my father
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aba, your voice, is my shield, your presences home my treasures shadow
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your love for me. I come to adore you, do I come to
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adore you? I come to worship you? Lord to you amazements so mine,
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Oh, Lord you are, saying of all the beautiful doration, you
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have no comparison. We dare you, we give gora, for they hear
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the sound of your people. We raised your doration. Asparating my future in
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your hands. I' m sure he' s about the early Sara.
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wwwww, the train of life, of life, ladies and gentlemen, we
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are already in the other look of today. It is good to see things
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under our critical eye of social chronicle and some political note of general interest.
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We don' t get into the pragmatism of politics, because we' re
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not on the subject either, so we' re in the public square and
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obviously, we' re all interested in knowing what' s going on when
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you hear everything that' s going on here near in Europe, in the
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other part of the world, in the Middle East, especially that it'
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s the hottest place on the planet lately. As for the war tension,
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it refers, because the truth that and then goes to don Putín there also
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making of his own, the Korean is not known where it will go and
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the Korean from the North. And then, in the meantime, the Chinese,
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warning carefully, step on the brake that I' m interested in maintaining
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economic control of the planet and I don' t want a nuclear winter.
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And if any of you go off the brakes, I will punish you myself.
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That' s what China says from behind in good subliminal language. So
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they see that all these flows and refluxes of politics are very complex. But
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for this we have Daniel odcarn the director of Protestant Digital, also a man
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who is very up- to- date, pro journalist and we have him
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there to welcome him. Good morning, Daniel Hi, how are you,
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how are you, Julio? Nice to see you and listen to you,
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Daniel. The truth is it' s true, because we could say good
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is the quietest thing. Well, at least these days. These do not
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come a week, but less than a week ago we were seeing or Iran
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' s attack on Israeli territory. That' s why everything was somehow torn
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down by the iron dome Israel has. Well, with the help of the
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European allies and the United States, it was a demonstration, an expression of
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being careful, careful that you' re getting into a very dangerous terrain Iran.
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I mean, what happens is that on this clear board, Israel attacked
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Jena Lebanon, because all these who were made and all these people who are,
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after all, are a litter of terrorists. But there were some of
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the Iranian generals too and they killed some of them. And this was the
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retaliation. Then how do you foreignize this very complex horizon. And in the
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Middle East and always the Middle East is the hottest place. Why. Yeah,
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yeah, well, it' s still a tremendously hot place, as
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you were saying. It is now clear that everything that has happened in the
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last year and from what was the attack of 7 October spends ever since there
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in Israel, for it has made the situation much more tense. But of
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course, the underlying conflict must never be forgotten. There is a fundamental conflict
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involving the very existence of Israel in that territory that there are indeed many countries,
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many Arab countries around it that do not tolerate it and among them,
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therefore, the one that has been the most belligerent has historically been Iran.
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And, obviously, Iran has been funding and supporting both never and gisbolá groups
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that obviously have such connections, have funding not only from Iran, in fact,
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in the case of Never, because it is more linked to other groups
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also Islamic. But there is a terrorist group, as it can be Islamic
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resistance there in Gaza, which is more linked to Iran And what we really
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see is that the consequences of the war are sometimes totally unpredictable, that is,
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it is very difficult when you start and when you attack and when you
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counterattack, know who will stop and how it will stop. So it'
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s a tense situation. It is clear that I believe that on a general
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level, the condemnation that has been quite widespread of the attack by Iran I
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think comes a little with the idea that Israel does not overreact, that is,
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it is like support for Israel in this regard, even though lately many
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of those supports are weaker or not so notorious, because they generally do not
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agree with how it is operating in Gapa. But in this case there has
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been general support for Israel' s defence in some Western countries. Now let
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' s see what happens, because you really don' t want it.
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Or it gives me the impression that most international actors would not want to be
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fanned even more because this already internationalized conflict, which would make good more actors
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enter, because the more countries are involved, the more damage, the more
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collateral damage can be done, the more victims and the more you can totally
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escape control when there really are powers with so much force. We are talking
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about Iran, which really is, which is a country that has an important
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military power. Obviously, Israel also has it, there is no doubt about
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that, and its allies, both on the one hand and on the other,
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for it is clear that they could carry. Some are talking about how
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there might be the beginning of a Third World War, but I think that
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for it to happen there would have to be some position of some of the
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great actors betting hard on it. And I don' t think the U
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S wants, and I don' t think either in Russia right now they
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' d want to be, because the actors that might come into conflict.
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You were talking about China too that he' s not interested either. So
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I think that can still stop you from getting into a situation, let'
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s say it would be terrible and very difficult to go backwards. Of course,
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there has never been as much talk as in recent times, since the
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attack on Russia' s invasion of criminal Ukraine, of invading territory outside its
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own. Moreover, by military force of arms, it has never been made
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clear. The other has obviously been seriously involved. It' s more from
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Europe. It rearms and Europe already has its military budgets, which it did
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not have until now. Well, all kinds of more sophisticated weapons, nuclear
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missile bases that already exist, but it' s going to expand, I
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mean, it' s going to create a European fort. And there has
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never been so much talk from this point of view and from the crises in
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the Middle East, Israel, Gaza, ever, Iran and all the others.
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Let' s say people who are in conflict. There has never been
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so much talk about World War III. The word for World War III is
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being mentioned a lot, and it is true, on the other hand,
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that speaking of wars, because of Gaza. We all want it to be
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over, because it' s massacred against the population. Sure, look at
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that. Israel has ended 19 battalions of the twenty- three battalions, battalions
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that it never has inside and that uses the civilian population as a human shield,
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of course, and people can' t say anything, because if they
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don' t go after them, the terrorists themselves, they never have to
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shut up and to and from everything. But in the meantime they' re
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dying like human shields. Nineteen battalions have destroyed Israel, and there are only
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four remaining to destroy all of them. Yes, you mean, but,
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for example, it is that in this respect, of course, we have
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been talking about the victims in Gaza, because it is really tremendous. And
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it' s tremendous, it' s a crisis and disproportion. Disproportion in
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a sense of Israel' s action. But throughout this time, missiles have
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not stopped coming out of Gaza into Israel. It' s just that there
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' s been practically no week in which there' s been no missile attack.
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From what happens is that, of course, missiles are intercepted and then,
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from here we have the vision that it is an absolutely unequal war,
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because, certainly it is but of course they are not people who are with
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sticks and stones defending themselves or attacking you is that really, in addition to
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the capability they have with weapons, they have missiles. And it must also
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be remembered that they still have a hundred people kidnapped or more sweetened kidnapped there
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who do not want to release them. That is, that, within the
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complexity that all this has and without agreeing at all with the strategy that has
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followed Jafu metal, that I believe is a really negative profile and a person
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who should no longer be in the position where he totally agrees, because of
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course, the situation is more complex than simply saying, because it cannot be.
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Israel has to stop, and that' s it. These are the
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complexities that this circumstance has, this situation and that are not easy to resolve.
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It is very clear, because there is no one right now who says
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good, because the solution has to be this, or this is the solution.
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For example, we have now seen the President of Spain, Pedro Sánchez,
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doing an international tour, for let' s say trying to talk about
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the solution as the creation of a good Palestinian State, It' s not
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a bad idea to recognize the Palestinian State, but they really don' t
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solve, that is, they don' t solve the underlying situation, that
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there are terrorist groups that don' t want Israel to be there and that
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they don' t want. Two States want to raze Israel and have it
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as a principle, let' s say foundational. So, until that doesn
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' t change, it' s going to be very difficult for you really
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to get to a stable peace situation, you can just sometimes lower the conflict
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or go up more. And now it is clear that we are in quite
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high degrees of intensity and danger. I believe that the President, our President,
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is making an erratic policy on this. It does not mean that the
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subject is what you say, the subject of the two- State proposal.
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It would be when the others want to eradicate, let us say destroy Israel
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from the map, then what they do. We totally disagree with this carnage
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that Netanyahu is causing against the civilian population, regardless of military operations. This,
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this is intolerable and there is a protest to which we join against this
37:24
inhuman act of the loss of so many lives in Engaza. This is intolerable,
37:31
this is inhuman and there is nothing to justify it, let alone.
37:37
But of course, Israel, at the same time comes our President speaking of
37:43
the sun, the moon and the stars. If you want to be a
37:45
mediator in the conflict, which could be, because you may propose a table
37:52
of dialogue, of eating But now talking about the two states is totally four
37:57
and the cat has said yes. The rest of Europe says no, that
38:00
things are going the other way. Yes, yes, they pretend that it
38:05
could come to that, but this is not the time for that. It
38:09
means that, but there is also an allergy to Israel on the part of
38:14
this very large government. Yes, yes, yes, well, it is
38:19
clear that I believe that within the government, for example, even the position
38:23
of Pedro Sánchez, who could be branded, because as equidistant, perhaps compared
38:30
to that of other European leaders. It must be realized that within the Government
38:35
of Spain there have been ministers who from the very beginning were already talking about
38:43
Gaza as a victim, even when they had just launched the attack. That
38:46
is to say, there are elements there of support for Palestine, not so
38:52
much for Palestine, but of support for Gaza ever, even if I don
38:59
' t know what I mean, but there have been links, there have
39:04
even been visits by people from never to Spain. It is in the history
39:07
of news that have been received and have collaborated with people from the radical left
39:13
here in Spain. So those links are undeniable and I really believe that it
39:20
is a rather strong respite in terms of government management in this matter. However,
39:27
I believe that Pedro Sánchez' s position is not too far from what
39:30
would be the position of any other government. I mean, I think that
39:37
Spain' s position has traditionally been this and well, we should go a
39:45
little deeper into why it is not a position. Let us say as far
39:50
in favour of Israel as it can be in France, for example, that
39:52
we are going to your government very clearly in favour of, or Germany,
39:58
well, historical motives or the United Kingdom. That is to say, there
40:00
are countries where we say that support for Israel is much more notorious and here,
40:06
in Spain, it is different and I think it has to do with
40:09
historical reasons, but also, of course, with economic reasons that go not
40:17
only have to do with a situation of now, but of years, and
40:22
not so much with regard to Palestine, but also with regard to the Arab
40:24
countries. That is to say, we have to see the amount of investments
40:30
and influence that there is from the Arab world in Spain, that sometimes we
40:35
are not aware until they pass as news like today, that suddenly we learn
40:38
that there is an Arab firm that wants to buy a great Spanish company and
40:45
suddenly you realize that it is not that they want to buy that solo,
40:49
but that already they have. They already have three, four or five of
40:52
the most important companies in Spain. So yes, yes, yes, it
40:58
really makes you think natally yes because they want to open an opa of a
41:05
billion euros. Be it and it means and the Government is studying well in
41:08
this regard. The government does, which works a little bit, has at
41:13
least a forecast to intervene to some extent for those who do not happen that
41:20
control all the gas energy of Spain, of production of Spain notice, that
41:27
already control CEPSA, already control, that is, the oil, the oil
41:31
already belongs to them. I don' t know how many people know it
41:37
at best because, of course, starting a little bit in the eighties and
41:42
buying a different shareholding and which one and in the end they ended up getting
41:45
all the control and gas, also the distributor. Now it would be a
41:52
Turgi that is the one they lack, but really the good ability. We
41:57
have also seen the attempt by the Government to bring in Arab telephone helpers,
42:01
also with public investment. But of course I don' t know. I
42:07
think that all of this really is also part of that board where sometimes we
42:13
only see a part or we just don' t understand very well, and
42:17
I think that the economic part plays a fundamental role in the way in which
42:22
governments end up behaving, especially when it comes to this turnover. We are
42:30
talking about billions and companies that really good, are companies on which we depend
42:37
absolutely all and depend not only the citizens, but all the industry and all
42:43
the ability that Spain can have to go forward in the coming years. Then
42:50
these are issues that should not escape us and we should at least know them.
42:55
If the colonization now in Europe is very powerful and in the two thousand
43:01
and fifty, both by the population existing in Europe, which is very large,
43:08
very large, will be the largest proportionally in Europe, but also by
43:16
the economic colonization of these great economic trus, it means that, of course,
43:25
they are and as if they were others, then I want to say
43:30
that, of course, this is a remote control that commands in the countries
43:36
above the governments. In the end not then well, I don' t
43:38
know. We have to have a vision for the future. Let us imagine
43:42
that we would like to colonize the Arab countries, which we cannot, with
43:46
our influence. We can' t even good, Dubaia is a total economic
43:53
empire, but the Arab emirates. But the reality is this is a chess
43:59
board. In short, I do not know what the next governments are like,
44:02
because this government and it is happening to almost everyone to a greater or
44:07
lesser extent. But this one in a brutal way, as the public debt
44:14
goes up a lot, of course, throws the house out the window,
44:17
gives away everything and it doesn' t matter to those who come behind that
44:22
manage and clear, in fact and we are indebted and those who buy the
44:30
public debt China, the Arab countries and so many others, and then we
44:34
are colonized again by them. It means that our independence as a country is
44:37
narrowing down a lot. True, yes, yes, yes, of course,
44:43
and it is very difficult to recover. From what you said, there
44:45
are, on the one hand, no economic commitments that are already firm through
44:52
companies or through concessions that they too have. Even many of the industrial investments
45:00
that are being made in Spain are no longer of their own investment, they
45:02
are foreign countries that come and set up a company here. Now, for
45:07
example, there was a plan for a big Chinese company that was going to
45:10
set up something in Cáceres. Sure, it' s really a good thing
45:15
for the country, because it brings you industry for Spain, but of course
45:21
it' s China industry. It' s China offshoring, so to speak.
45:24
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so,
45:27
yeah, yeah, it' s active flame, but this is really the
45:30
situation. So, right now, let' s say that the ability that
45:36
Spain, in a sense, can have to maneuver in many international affairs,
45:42
I think it is very limited and well, is a role that perhaps there
45:47
is no other left to assume it, because it also cuts ties and tries
45:54
to isolate you and live isolated from the world, trying to make the battle
45:59
on your own, because it is not a solution either. Not perhaps a
46:00
balance, a balance in which you obviously have some control, some ability,
46:06
and the balance that is not dependent on one, but having several yes,
46:10
because that way, at least you can try to maneuver a little better in
46:17
case there is some kind of crisis. But, really, on a general
46:25
level we have to accept the situation we are in. But it is interesting
46:34
to think a little bit about the future and a little about seeking stability for
46:38
that future in which it may be important to regain some independence at the financial
46:45
level, at the economic level of our economies. The important thing is not
46:51
to lose autonomy in terms of ours and it is not hostility towards cultures to
46:59
determine is not that other thing, well, and in domestic code, because
47:05
you see we are on the eve of two contests. We already see that
47:10
word of electoral contest, which are very strong, because in the Basque Country,
47:15
which was next Sunday, there is an electoral consultation. Bill du Va
47:21
ahead and Bill du represents. What it represents is not that Bill looking clear,
47:24
will Dus is a conglomerate of games. Not all Bildus matches are exetarras.
47:31
No, but there is an important part that yes that by the way,
47:36
well, it is also appreciated that and I think it was of Oxandian
47:40
rigor has asked forgiveness from the victims. But of course I don' t
47:45
call terrorist the terrorist gang ETA is that these people, they go from that
47:49
stick and then you can' t ask the elm for pears. But the
47:52
truth is that the PNV seems to recede equally will not be able to govern
48:00
billu either. But this situation creates a new scenario in the Basque Country that
48:07
we will see where truth can lead us. Yes, yes, it'
48:13
s clear, because I don' t know when it was the last time
48:17
that there was a government that could be leftist in a Basque country, but
48:23
it could be possible, although the majority still point out that, even if
48:28
the elections were won, BILDU would need to agree and perhaps not enough,
48:34
then it points to that pact pnvpso as a possible government pact. Anyway,
48:37
let' s see what happens, because it' s not clear at all.
48:43
I think the campaign has been pretty good at speaking level and all that
48:52
much calmer than you' ve been, being other campaigns lately good. It
48:58
seemed to the Galician one in the sense that so there were not great outbursts
49:01
or great stories, except that issue of ETA, which in the end ended
49:07
up entering the campaign here at the last minute because of the declarations of the
49:14
candidate of Bildu, but it seems that all the concerns have been very focused
49:23
the situation of Euskadimos the policies there and in that sense, perhaps it is
49:30
an election that at the regional level can be of great importance, but at
49:35
the national level perhaps not so much or at least does not end up unraveling
49:43
too much of what the situation is at the national level. The thing is,
49:44
well, they' re, as you say, two concatenated lessons.
49:47
There' s this one, there' s the one from Catalonia. Two
49:50
regions, of course, are very important at the level in Spain. What
49:53
happens there, of course, that has just lieutenant or influence at national level
49:59
and we have to be aware of what happens. Let' s see anyway.
50:07
Well, I think it' s nice to see that there are also
50:12
other ways to do politics at regional level that at the moment seem to me
50:15
to be much healthier than what we see many times at national level and sometimes
50:21
even in Madrid, which we are also seeing too much gresca. And I
50:23
think it' s really in that sense, because it' s positive now
50:30
what you said about Bill du I think they still have work ahead at Bildu
50:38
level of their own in terms of that recognition of ETA terrorism, because it
50:45
' s still very mild, it always comes with the tailtail behind, whenever
50:51
they recognize something is to say it good, but because or this kind of
50:58
justification, I don' t think even Bill du Le ends up helping.
51:00
On the contrary, I believe that they end up hurting a party that is
51:06
good at the level of the Basque Country, because it is already very established,
51:09
but at the national level, because it still generates many reticences and,
51:14
of course, of the Basque Country cannot live on its back to what happens
51:16
in the rest of the country. Then I think it would be important for
51:22
them also to definitely leave behind everything that has to do with ETA. But
51:25
of course, as long as within their ranks there are still certain people who
51:31
were always linked to ETA, that is not going to be possible. Of
51:35
course, this killing of almost zero people from this murderous mob who have sown
51:39
in this is a very difficult thing to prosecute. The mourning is still continuing
51:49
and society is still being generous to the Spanish democratic society with these sectors.
51:58
That is why there is this great distrust and whether those susceptibilities, obviously because
52:05
of all this. But, for example, we have the Basque Country a
52:08
scenario. They are the Country Boats and Catalonia, the two centers of independence
52:14
vocation. He is an excessist separatist who has Spain and always because it happens
52:20
there is that and we have a scenario a government that also blesses his soul
52:28
to the devil for staying in power, as Sanchez is doing in Catalonia.
52:35
We now have the, of course, independence does not seem to have an
52:42
absolute majority here in Catalonia. It can almost be a party fisti and a
52:47
little bit clearer with all the constitutionalist forces that the Catalan Socialist Party is obviously.
52:54
There are the common, the common and there is also the Popular Party,
53:01
which is not also reluctant to give support to the socialist candidate Salvadoría.
53:07
But of course, if any, they interpret, they interpret that it would
53:14
be a lesser evil so that there is not the sainete, this permanent referendum
53:22
referendum, that that is impossible. It is also that, as has been
53:24
achieved, what is different and we will see that Amnesty is probably lying down
53:31
in a short time, but that still has others among children. But it
53:37
is two thirds of the House. It' s impossible. There is no
53:43
self- determination in any constitution of the world, there is no understanding,
53:50
and it is not impossible here either. You cannot say Socialist Party to make
53:52
any compositions, because it is not possible here there are no tricks of texts
53:58
to which you are accustomed. Therefore, we will also see how this Catalan
54:02
scenario is. Yeah, man, there too. Of course, I don
54:08
' t have so much to say beyond joining your comment, I, as
54:16
we say, am seeing, that there is as it was talked about quite
54:23
a repetition. As it returns, everything returns as it will return, but
54:30
we want to go back to that, that is, it returns, puigemon
54:34
returns the subject referendum, it returns to say those balances between independent constitutionalists,
54:40
that is, it is really what it wants in society and what it does
54:45
not want at all. I don' t think you want to go to
54:47
that at all. So I think it' s a proposal that probably that
54:52
proposal towards the past seems to me not going to work. I mean,
54:58
we don' t seem to be in a circumstance where that can win votes.
55:02
So that' s a little what' s getting hold of too,
55:06
of course, the PSOE, which is convinced to get a very good result
55:09
and even that it could get to rule. So let' s see what
55:15
happens now if in the end what I say, because this is my opinion,
55:20
but if in the end it ends up being, because Montt is going
55:22
to mark politics again from Catalonia, in the government or without being in the
55:30
government, because the truth that we will see again on the day of the
55:36
marmot, of course we will see ourselves again to a repetition and to return
55:40
to court and to return to that politics does not advance. And I believe
55:45
that all that to the detriment of the real interests of Catalonia, that it
55:53
really would need to move on to some place and also be able to form
56:00
some kind of government a little more stable that would allow it to develop.
56:05
Yeah, plus, that' s not gonna happen at all. I know,
56:07
I see the intricacies and I observe and also, journalistically everything and that
56:13
is not going to happen again first, because it would be the response of
56:17
the State would be much more aggressive in a very decisive way and much would
56:22
be cited to Spanish society in a brutal way and prison would already be ineternal.
56:28
I mean, it means they won' t do that again at that
56:30
level. Now the pressure. Of course, a PUC has been created instead
56:36
of a pandemonium, a PUC demonium. Yes, the Pandemonium of the Demonium
56:43
puch has been created, because and care and he is using their faces and
56:46
besides, he tells the truth, says what he thinks and says what he
56:51
wants. He' s the one who' s the least fool of everyone
56:55
and so and so and he gets it. Now he' s coming as
56:58
a messianic. If I choose, I' ll come back, if I
57:01
don' t disappear. So the osian syndrome. It' s not that
57:07
all this, this is a zaidet, it' s the never- ending
57:12
story, but we' ll see what happens. There we have both the
57:15
elections in the Basque Country and Catalonia, and there they are and look right
57:22
now at the autonomous communities. With regard to the evangelicals, the Protestants,
57:27
neither one government nor another have had more, let us say complacency with some
57:34
issues here in Catalonia. It is true, with the Protestant world, but
57:38
good, because small things are small. Now when we had the possibility of
57:45
having another regulation of enabling titles, not contestants, but grants for the stations
57:50
that we are already. And one of the denials was that we did not
57:57
meet, well to us and to most of the colleagues of secular stations,
58:00
who have a lot of tradition and a lot of experience, is that we
58:07
did not meet the conditions of third sector. And I say, after faces,
58:07
we are the ten zero times those who gather the most conditions of our
58:14
social and humanitarian aid platforms, ten thousand times more. And then, so
58:20
it' s a lie and in the end I' ve told the leaders
58:23
representatives of the current parties. I have to tell you in Catalan speaking obviously,
58:30
I have to tell you that a lot to speak bla, bla,
58:32
bla, bla, and at the time of truth nothing at all about that
58:37
victimism that you say we have, that we have ten Catholic stations that are
58:43
very professional and it is okay and we respect it commercial radio and not even
58:50
a Protestant radio station, that we do not talk only about cultic issues,
58:53
that we talk about life, that we talk about good practices, that we
58:58
talk about solidarity, that we talk about social mediation, that we talk about
59:00
faith and earthly realities. I mean, in the end, nothing. You
59:04
' re welcome, and that happens in other communities as well. Of course,
59:08
yes, let us still say that there is still, for those historical
59:15
discriminations against Protestants that are evident in this type of thing. You talk about
59:17
licenses, as we can also talk, for example, about the subject of
59:22
classes in schools and in the institutes of evangelical affliction, as in the validation
59:27
of titles, as well, the historical claim of which we have been talking
59:31
lately, of compensation to retired pastors who could not contribute during Francoism. Anyway,
59:38
there are a lot of aspects that we say are that they concern Protestants
59:45
directly to evangelicals and that we really don' t see too much interest.
59:52
It is true that, for example, in recent years, the Basque Country
59:57
has been a little more sensitive and, above all, in the last two
1:00:00
years, we have been able to see progress in some aspects regarding protocols that
1:00:06
could be signed between the Evangelical Council of the Basque Country and the Government of
1:00:13
the Basque Country, cooperation agreements that have not been developed too much so far
1:00:16
and have been given some impetus, perhaps without the development of all the positive
1:00:24
things that could be achieved. But there have been some interesting movements and in
1:00:28
this case, because on the part of the current government in the Basque Country,
1:00:34
the PNV. But there really is a lot left and I am also
1:00:39
concerned about something that is there and that often goes unnoticed at the regional level,
1:00:45
because perhaps it is not the regional administration that has it. Something has
1:00:46
to be said, but it is the subject of places of worship, which
1:00:50
is a subject that continues to generate problems, and not only in Catalonia,
1:00:54
where there are many difficulties, but also in the Basque Country. In recent
1:01:00
years there has also been news of the difficulties in opening places of worship in
1:01:06
some cities, which has more to do with the local administration, with the
1:01:10
municipalities. But obviously, all the administrations there could do their part to solve
1:01:16
and to help in these circumstances. And it is also one of these demands
1:01:23
that is worth remembering and that every certain time, because we present as those
1:01:30
things that the evangelicals really need to be able to develop And especially, when
1:01:35
you see that, obviously, the Catholic Church in these aspects has no difficulty
1:01:39
ever, then I wish that we could advance in that sense, in greater
1:01:45
equality and sensitivity to the needs of a collective like the Protestant, who is
1:01:51
always there. It is a minority collective, but I believe that historically the
1:01:55
authorities also recognize it as well as well as sometimes not publicly, but at
1:02:00
the level of talking to them. And all this the positive evangelical presence in
1:02:07
both communities. Yeah. That' s how he hears excellent interview that you
1:02:13
do to Carolina Bueno in digital Protestant, the Executive Secretariat of Ferede, talking
1:02:20
precisely about the pastors who couldn' t contribute all their retirement because it wasn
1:02:23
' t possible. And she says what she says. It is a question
1:02:27
of not asking for alms, not of giving us a friend please, of
1:02:34
doing justice, historical justice, when it is a good one Other governments have
1:02:39
said yes we are going to try to find a solution to this Interregno that
1:02:45
has been with him this issue, but no, no, no, and
1:02:51
this government is supposed to be more left- wing because of the social question.
1:02:54
Okay, but don' t get into the trap or the subject.
1:02:58
And very interesting also by Guillén Correa, Secretary General of the Conso Bayel,
1:03:02
very interesting on this same subject. It' s really a pending issue.
1:03:09
It is pending and we hope that at least the Government will say something.
1:03:15
Sometimes there is such a sepulchral silence on the part of the authorities that you
1:03:22
no longer know what else you should do that in the end cerebe already is
1:03:27
that in each meeting you repeat it in each meeting that you have also because
1:03:32
we try to disseminate the topic at the media level within our possibilities. I
1:03:37
would also like other radios and televisions and newspapers on a general level, because
1:03:44
the great echo of this topic, in the end, is that it is
1:03:46
a subject, as you said now, of memory and justice, and really
1:03:51
are aspects that I believe most of the Spanish population, when they know the
1:03:57
case, because that leads, understands and believes that it is necessary to make
1:04:02
this reparation. We are talking about people who are already very old, many
1:04:08
of them and who were unable to contribute because they were not allowed to do
1:04:15
so by the State in other similar circumstances over the last few years, because
1:04:19
they have solved the necessary aspects for those who could not contribute, because they
1:04:25
could have that pension. So it' s something that I don' t
1:04:30
think anyone is doubting that it' s fair and that' s good,
1:04:38
because I wish we could see it that we could see that solution. I
1:04:40
think it would be a very good thing. Ferede also, as you said,
1:04:44
is asking for an act of redress, that is to say, that
1:04:47
it is also publicly acknowledged that hearing was not done well. And I think
1:04:49
that would also be important at the level of recognition of Protestants in our country,
1:04:59
because because we are no longer talking about an intangible issue, we are
1:05:03
talking about people who really need justice if you look at it. In addition
1:05:12
to the judgment of the European Court of Human Rights in two thousand seventeen,
1:05:16
the Supreme also confirmed that pastors should be adequately compensated. However, no solution
1:05:23
has been seen since then, while pastors, like Pastor Apples, is that
1:05:28
it is very emblematic of that case between many people are dying to be many
1:05:33
very old and others who are, that is clear, even if in some
1:05:39
way, pass on to their families, something to a Histridian repair. Yes,
1:05:46
of course, two thousand twelve, the European Court of Human Rights two
1:05:49
thousand twelve. We are talking, that is, that fourteen years or twelve
1:05:54
years have passed, forgiveness, twelve years have passed and the Supreme Court then,
1:05:59
when Spain, because it reacts and tries to solve it and does not
1:06:03
really solve it to the subject, the Supreme I believe it was in the
1:06:05
two thousand fifteen or two thousand sixteen. Okay, then. How many more
1:06:12
years we really have to wait it is sad to be and I understand even
1:06:21
the frustration that evangelical representatives can feel with this subject, to represent it over
1:06:28
and over and over again for almost twenty years, said Carolina, well,
1:06:33
twenty years now presenting this subject over and over again at every meeting they have
1:06:40
with the different governments and without reaching a solution. I don' t really
1:06:43
get it, I can' t understand it well. There is no political
1:06:46
will for what we have talked about before the concessions, the tenders, to
1:06:50
which we were already contradictory, which they want us to go up to do
1:06:55
the mike on a tree. There is no political will, simply and it
1:07:00
is a comparative grievance with other religious social groups. It also means this and
1:07:08
other issues. Therefore, here we claim the right, democratic equity for pastors
1:07:13
who have to be compensated because they could not justify their retirement because it was
1:07:21
impossible for them at all to be denied as active and passive. So here
1:07:28
is a demand from this place, from the train of life, also from
1:07:31
digital Protestant, from all the current or angrity, all the means contribute protest,
1:07:36
We are all saying the same thing. Do us justice and repair this
1:07:44
damage and compensate the pastors who have to receive that income that they are not
1:07:48
receiving today. Well, this would be a question. And then, finally,
1:07:54
say because we talk about human conflicts that are not few of those in
1:08:00
our immediate environment, in domestic politics. You also haven' t talked about
1:08:08
Koldo and the whole gang that has to somehow report to that commission to be
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questioned that, by the way, Coldon is nowhere to be found. He
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' s gone, they tell him, and he has to show up on
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Monday, but they can' t find him. But to see if he
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' s caught us up is in theory, he can' t leave the
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country because he has the passport confiscated, that is, the withdrawal to the
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passport every fortnight has to show up to sign the court, so he must
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be where he is now. I don' t know about that anymore.
1:08:43
Now you' ve seen those who make fake identity charges, passports in a
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perfect way, with artificial intelligence, all this kind of stuff, and that
1:08:54
you can' t identify the true of the false, the false of what
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there is, and well, let' s hope that it doesn' t
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come to that. But the truth is that, but evangelical Christians in Spanish
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Protestant stores, for example, Look at Catalonia, justice is not done to
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us. We are a minority, according to the last census of the Genaritad,
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three hundred twenty- zero evangelical Protestants and we are not given justice.
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But, speaking of all of us in Spain, we are people of peace,
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we are people of good and that is why we also see and cry
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out against the war, that unjust war of Israel, against the Gazati population
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and against others in any war. We' re hostile to that. We
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are the gospels, the gospel of peace, Our teacher is the prince of
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peace and we will always be and evangelical communities are communities of peace, of
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people of peace. So we say in Catalan are gene de pau we are
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not peace people. And then, well, in what way. That is
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why those who hear us in the city of Iran hear, because you go
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to the evangelical community, you will easily find people of good, people like
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you and me, who are not from another planet. There are also people
1:10:17
from other countries who, by the way, evangelical communities are receiving, but
1:10:24
very well, very good, receiving immigration, also to make the necessary immersion
1:10:29
to catch up and also humanitarian aid. But this thing that we' re
1:10:36
peaceful people, I think it' s a speech that characterizes us truth.
1:10:44
Yes, I believe that in general we have always opted for positions that are
1:10:50
peaceful or that can contribute to peace and coexistence, a little by tradition,
1:10:57
but also, of course, by the same teaching that we receive from the
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Gospel, that is, Jesus himself said that blessed are the peacemakers and later,
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Paul says that God has entrusted us with the Ministry of Reconciliation. Then
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both teachings converge in an attitude to life that is not about seeking conflicts,
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but about trying to resolve them. Why. Because conflict is one of the
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clear fruits of sin, one of the consequences of sin, of what the
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conflict that we have created with God and the conflict that we have within us
1:11:43
ends up manifesting in conflict with nature, with the Projimo, and this we
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end up taking also to a general level when we enter into conflict with other
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nations, with other peoples, And really there we see that the worst of
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human beings always comes out, that is, conflicts come out the worst of
1:12:02
human beings. As agents of restoration and reconciliation in the world, Christians and
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evangelicals want to proclaim that there is another way of living, another way of
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doing things and that it is really worth trying to fight for a better world,
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not because we are better, but because it is what God can do
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in us. God can give you inner peace, he can reconcile your relationship
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with himself. In your relationship also with yourself and God invites us to live
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a life in that sense of inner peace and outer peace, peace with ourselves
1:12:45
and peace that we can share with others. And that is a little bit
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the essence of the message we proclaim. That is why I believe that,
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naturally, we tend to that as Christians, because it is really the essence
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of Jesus’ message. That' s right, my friend. Well,
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there are a lot more things that we leave in the ink, friend Daniel,
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but, well, I think we' ve given a little review of
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some things that are in our surroundings. Listen, because this whole global village
1:13:18
thing, this is that you find out what' s going on in the
1:13:21
most remote part of the earth, not only in the planetary, atmospheric and
1:13:30
catastrophic upheavals or turbulences, in the worst case scenario, but dramatic social policies.
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The good news is few, but we also need to. That is
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why we too are messengers of good news. We received good news, the
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Gospel of God, and that is the good news that man has to reconcile
1:13:56
with God, because God loves us despite ourselves. And man has to reconcile
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with God before it is too late, because purgatory does not exist. Therefore,
1:14:08
he here now and Jesus is waiting for him lives true yes, so
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that is what we always celebrate, for nothing more dear. Daniel sent you
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a very affectionate hug and we went back to Julio forever. Well, Chao
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Chao, until the next black farewell Crin and the new life maigred yor raro
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to worship marked from eternity in you is my identity Christ Jesus your happy months,
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what great fas my hands but this fun wasfe I am happy in Christ,
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save me, forgive me. I am complete in Christ the pibeck I
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can not all you I am happy in Crisso saved me, I forgive I
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am not complex in gray I return to it or I am ugly he lives
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in me or I loransa my celebration sorbe te crib in me I can throw
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and it will be horra. I am happy in Gristo, I kiss,
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I forgive myself, I am complete cso vir my strike. I' m
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chryso, I' m sao or I' m hombra in chris so the
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river can' t be until he comes to that one today closer than ever.
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We invite you to the second edition of this interdenominational congress aimed at the
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whole Body of Christ in Spain and Europe, which will take place from 26
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to 28 April in the Fira de Reus, Tarragona. The international speakers will
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be with us. I don' t know in the same way, Benjamin
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Núñez and Marcos Brunet. All Wang was either taken or well or famed.
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For more information you can enter our website wwwwww. Until he comes point is
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Do not miss the opportunity to participate in this great call. Until he
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fay well plotted from everything or eye of vera zero alcohol, zero drugs at
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the wheel, zero nonsense. Leave your advice to avoid the next accident on
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your part. Point is you travel on the train of life. Ladies and
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gentlemen, very well found, welcome to this special we have today with our
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good friend Gonzalo Soriano, who is the promoter we all know of Biblical society
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in Spain. He' s the man who wears that flag. You know
1:21:08
in the armies, the flagbearer is the one who carries the flag for the
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army to take position. And it' s very important. If the flagman
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falls, the army falls down a little bit. But if the standard-
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bearer arrives and positions himself, then it is a sign that we are moving
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forward, that we are going well and that there is victory and that good,
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for that is the biblical society. The biblical society of Spain is composed
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of looking at a very competent team with its Director General, Luis Fajardo,
1:21:44
who is a man Mauda azi who is really in the script the editor of
1:21:49
publications also Juan Triviño, we talked about I think he is one of the
1:21:55
most experienced men in the world of Christian and secular publications, because he has
1:22:02
a background of it And then, well, the whole team forms and conforms
1:22:08
to biblical society, in which I also have the honor of being part,
1:22:12
among others, with my friend President ManuelÁlvarez, and so many who collaborate
1:22:17
there as employees in the service of a missionary project. Look at the first
1:22:26
missionary we have the best who is not mute. Hey, it' s
1:22:30
the Bible. It' s the Bible. It is this holy book that
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this is the Bible of the Reformation that the Bible Society of Spain edited a
1:22:42
million Bibles. It was not the motto that each Spanish home had at least
1:22:47
one Bible. And the truth is, well, we' re still doing
1:22:51
that. But to talk about the projects of the Biblical Society of Spain and
1:22:57
how to collaborate, because to hear this does not keep the air. It
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means we have to be very clear. We have that this week I was
1:23:08
interviewing Reyes Gualda, who is the General Director of the Evangelic Hospital, what
1:23:13
we have called the now Evangeli Hospital. But now we don' t snow
1:23:17
is new. But now it is the Evangelly hospital of the theodo of almost
1:23:24
half a century, which was one of the first hospitals here of the city
1:23:29
Condal and a work so emblematic, so testimonial, so important. But Bible
1:23:34
society is the same as centerary, but in addition to being the promoter of
1:23:42
the Bible in various ways, Bible education programs, the Bible itself, various
1:23:46
versions and so on, etcetera, etcetera. Therefore, we need to collaborate,
1:23:54
because it is a work of faith. It' s a mission of
1:23:56
faith. When you see dear Bible society sells a Bible at a popular price.
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Of course, in this bound that could now present the latest versions the
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two thousand twenty, which are in a precious faximil, of course, at
1:24:13
a very popular price and others. But clear from there are the missionary projects
1:24:19
that are free to those who do not have the Bible, countries, indigenous
1:24:26
communities and other parts and humanitarian projects that are also accompanied. It is not
1:24:31
only preaching the faith, but giving wheat at some times, although there are
1:24:36
other organizations for that too, because without further delay, I welcome my friend
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Gonzalo Soriano. Welcome home, well found. Thank you very much. And
1:24:46
yes, because you' re a little bit from here, from there,
1:24:48
from everywhere, from everywhere. Yes, yes, yes, from Madrid and
1:24:53
you are from Madrid. No, I' m not from Madrid. I
1:24:57
live in Madrid fifty years ago, but I was born in a village in
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the province of Seville, ah Caramba, I am Sevillian. You look at
1:25:05
yourself, the people of Osuna usura yes, city yes, yes, yes,
1:25:12
and that brings me to Madrid because of the circumstances of the family times
1:25:15
and I am still there in Madrid, yes, yes, yes. You
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' ve had you married there you' ve had family, three children,
1:25:24
yes, yes, wonderful and already a granddaughter yes. Yeah. Yeah.
1:25:27
We are entering the different phases of Grandfather' s facet and very well,
1:25:31
very well, very happy with the new ones, the new trajectories that we
1:25:39
are all adapting and trying to assimilate every stage of life that are sometimes not
1:25:45
so easy good that in life it has landscapes of all colors. Yes,
1:25:50
but take a look at why Gonzalo Soriano has been working in Bible society for
1:25:57
many years. It is the visible face of Bible society of us when we
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go anywhere. He is the one who represents, promotes and activates projects,
1:26:08
as against us, some of them very important. And this also speaks of
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a path and a job well done that we all recognize. But you too
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in Madrid are in a church, I think you have a pastoral function as
1:26:24
well. In addition, in other words, we also have the pastoral ministry
1:26:28
shared in the church and in Madrid, in the struggle, and there we
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continue to serve the lord in the different areas. And the fact that I
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am a pastoral team allows me to work as coordinator of the society throughout the
1:26:47
national territory. Sure. Of course, I live in Madrid, but sometimes
1:26:51
they tell me that more in a vehicle, in a train itself, yes,
1:26:55
yes, yes, that it is the city itself, because there is
1:26:58
much that I would choose to do, of course, much territory to reach
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so that the word of God arrives, that the word runs, works,
1:27:09
goes everywhere north, south, east and west and is glorified, as the
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apostle says. Not good, then, when it comes to reality, it
1:27:16
is Bible society. He' s had such brilliant moments. In addition,
1:27:23
it is the flagship to the House of the Bible, it is the sociability
1:27:26
of Spain. I mean, we have to feel myself, really, I
1:27:30
' ve always felt good, not as a member that a few years ago
1:27:33
and I' m a member of the Board of Directors, but I'
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ve always felt an admiration for Bible society. For what it represents and for
1:27:43
what it has done, what it is doing and what it could do also
1:27:45
with the help of all. It is a great responsibility and a burden for
1:27:51
us. I believe that, as a biblical society, maintaining the reliability of
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a text like that of the word of God, and to that end,
1:28:05
the backbone of all our work remains the translation of the scriptures, that the
1:28:12
word of God is coming to the peoples in the language that it understands in
1:28:16
the heart. Yes, it is. How some have told us is that
1:28:21
God speaks my tongue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,
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and that' s our job. Put in the scriptures, in the format
1:28:28
and in the translation to which all people can reach and follow. It'
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s very interesting me and we have to be part of it today. He
1:28:36
is already retired, jubilant who is our dear José Luis Andaber, who has
1:28:44
been the Director General for many years, and I want publicly to honor the
1:28:49
work and I think we all recognize him, the great work of positioning the
1:28:57
Bible in not only Spain, but even the world, that the promoter of
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translations that has removed heaven and earth looking for the best biblicalists and experts in
1:29:09
biblical texts, he himself, if involved, has traveled the half world,
1:29:14
but in the whole half. And the truth is, he' s a
1:29:17
man with inventiveness and creativity. To this day it is tremendous. We do
1:29:23
not owe much to José Luis, Yes, because the fact of translation is
1:29:27
not something that might seem easy or, as some understand, well this or
1:29:32
from one language to another are translated. No. The translation of the scriptures
1:29:38
requires a rigorous team, a complete constant team of linguists, biblists, experts
1:29:45
in the original languages, experts in the languages of reception many years, that
1:29:53
is, translating the scriptures intervene between fifteen, twenty people, more than fifteen
1:29:58
ten years. Yes, yes, it is a work that, we convinced
1:30:00
in Catalan, very curious, very careful very has to have many exquisiteness for,
1:30:05
moreover, the biblical texts are not any old text eva. That is
1:30:10
the great responsibility of the translation team that we are working with a text that
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is the word of God that will reach people and, as we have mentioned,
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recently with the encounter, with the scriptures of transforming the human being.
1:30:24
That' s right, there are two last texts. The last ones We
1:30:28
took a little more recent, two works that have been and are very relevant.
1:30:33
It is the last most recent version, the revision of the Bible two
1:30:41
thousand twenty, which is a very important adaptation. The essence of Queen Valera
1:30:47
' s style is preserved, but there are certain language idioms and words that
1:30:56
are updated a little. Some people are surprised to say good Jehovah, because
1:30:59
Jehovah has taken away himself. The first name Jehovah generated the idea sociologically.
1:31:04
How many millions of times have I had to say that we are not Jehovah
1:31:11
’ s Witnesses because of the clear theme. The name of Jehovah is a
1:31:12
name of Jehovah, the consonants of Jehovah or he already sees in Hebrew not
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And it is not that he is. He' s here. It is
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very correct that for the Jews it was without a name. God was the
1:31:23
unprovoked, but the name to describe a little to the figure of the almighty
1:31:29
God. Although God has many names in the Bible as well, but Jehovah
1:31:35
and we have become unaccustomed with good, he will have become accustomed to the
1:31:43
name and to me it is always for today’ s man the mentality of
1:31:46
saying Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah. Then Lord God, the man of today,
1:31:49
understands better. That' s totally true. The fact that texts which
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in this case are not translations are reviewed are revisions. It is the fact
1:32:01
that language advances in language in any language. Over the years and generations,
1:32:09
it is moving forward, other types of words are used, expressions are used,
1:32:14
and that is not the case with Reina Valera and other texts. Queen
1:32:19
Valera has suffered, well the word. I have not suffered, but it
1:32:24
has been enriched in the various revisions, because it has enriched today' s
1:32:29
language. Queen Valera two thousand twenty is still a literature, a language of
1:32:33
the century of the Spanish. But of course, today there is no talk
1:32:38
of the same thing that was spoken in one thousand nine hundred and sixty.
1:32:40
It is that no one understands it, no one because there are expressions and
1:32:45
words that are not understood, because they have stopped being used. Sure,
1:32:47
and some of them are archaic. Or the old man and I set the
1:32:50
example of listening in a teenage conversation. Of course, as happened to me
1:32:57
this past week, at the broadcast meeting, you might sit next to a
1:33:01
group of teenagers of twelve fourteen and I had to get up saying I'
1:33:05
m not hearing anything at all, because they use the expressions you say.
1:33:11
I think they' re saying this, but that' s not it.
1:33:14
Yes, yes, yes, indeed the language other codes and runs so fast
1:33:17
that we, as a sociblical, have to go looking at that speed of
1:33:24
language so that the word of God remains relevant to these new generations. Then
1:33:30
one of the works is to review the text of Reina Valera, our Queen
1:33:34
Valera, which remains the text of the literature of the century of Spanish.
1:33:39
The doubt, the simplification of the dynamic words, the dynamic simplification of the
1:33:45
words, which is what is done in all the structures of ancient books,
1:33:50
that without losing the essences and the essential interpretation, the fact the lists are
1:34:00
very pure for the most part. In fact, we always do and propose
1:34:03
in our events, in this youth we have also done so. We give
1:34:08
a workshop on translation and teach to translate goes in quotation marks. But the
1:34:15
idea of putting an original text, putting word for word from that text that
1:34:21
does not make any sense, but just like putting it and making sense for
1:34:28
it to be understood by different levels of language, since it is a group
1:34:34
to translate that text or estode of exodus, so that one university student and
1:34:41
the other group could understand it for a six- year- old child and
1:34:45
the text, text of the law very well if you kill or steal an
1:34:49
ox at last is complex. They realized the kids were so complex. Then
1:34:55
there has appeared a new adaptation, which is the basic Bible language. We
1:35:00
have done a translation with a team that has cost you enough, because it
1:35:09
is to move the original text that we have so that a person can understand
1:35:13
it from six to eight years, to reduce the number of words in the
1:35:17
language that have been about four zero, four zero and some words that have
1:35:24
been used and that you can understand. And the director of that translation used
1:35:28
to call me boy, the new will has been released, but the old
1:35:31
one is costing us. God and help and never better said clear, because
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it is very complex. There are expressions that are complex, but I think
1:35:39
it has already come out and is on sale this new translation, which is
1:35:45
falling very well, because for new readers, only for children, but people
1:35:48
who for the first time approach the text of the scriptures give it greater clarity
1:35:54
and simplicity in terms, in context either the books of the old or the
1:36:00
new, and this new translation is being very, very effective. The Bible
1:36:05
is the basic language that is for teenage children and good, and for people
1:36:12
who have a low cultural profile, who have a language as very primary,
1:36:17
they do very well. No and they don' t say any good,
1:36:23
but this can be vistual. No, no, no, I have a
1:36:26
copy and I read the Bible in basic language. I also mean, and
1:36:31
I find it appetizing sometimes because it' s so understandable that you say caramba.
1:36:39
This is understood by anyone. It doesn' t deal with translations.
1:36:43
When done, they don' t try to replace each other. This is
1:36:45
a misconception. Translations do not go out or are not done to replace each
1:36:55
other, but to reach the level of language of each region, of each
1:37:00
person and biblical societies in Spain. We have translations that are directed at these
1:37:06
different levels of language. From a higher language as a courageous queen or even
1:37:14
with many more words the word. The translation of the word uses about fifteen
1:37:18
zero words more than Reina Valera, also directed by university students. Then we
1:37:25
have God speak today which is a more common language, which uses fewer words,
1:37:29
about twenty thousand And so we are doing translations, but they do not
1:37:33
replace. I think it enriches and we don' t see ourselves left alone
1:37:41
with a version or a translation of the scriptures. You have to read several,
1:37:44
because that enriches us. As you well say, understand some phrases,
1:37:47
in laying down some concepts. That helps us, therefore, in the workshops
1:37:53
we give of the seminars, always in the question which is the best,
1:37:57
and our translation director is always given the same answers. The best is the
1:38:02
one you read clearly, yes, yes, yes, certainly, the best
1:38:05
is the one you do not practice. We also have the translation of the
1:38:14
word the version. This has taken on a lot of boom, has been
1:38:19
exposed to several revisions and updates. It' s a Bible of the last
1:38:26
few years. Work has been done, it has been revised and it is
1:38:30
already a very successful text and very well adapted to contemporary language. In the
1:38:38
Interfaith Bible. It has also been a reading that also the Editor of the
1:38:44
Bible Society of Spain and that has a language also very popular, but also
1:38:49
very well, very well translated. But the word, the word is a
1:38:55
very interesting version. It is also a higher level of language aimed at a
1:39:00
university audience that has a greater diversity of words and expressions that enrich the text
1:39:09
as well. No. Yes, quite that is our task, the first
1:39:14
yes, then the other tasks come. Sure, well, all of these
1:39:17
are some of the latest versions. More evidently, there is the classic of
1:39:21
nineteen hundred and sixty, the Nona Valera, classic of the uncle and we
1:39:27
have the ability of the bear. If anyone wants to have who doesn'
1:39:29
t, what a pro Protestant doesn' t have the bear bible in his
1:39:31
house. Then the first edition, of the prime edition of the queen'
1:39:39
s asidore, which we have the facsimiles available and then we have easy also
1:39:44
of the one of one thousand six hundred two. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
1:39:45
from the pitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is
1:39:47
also a previous one, a new testament of Francis of Faticas. It'
1:39:51
s a work of art. These people were at the time the avant-
1:39:58
garde intellectuals. I counter- reform it very strongly, because part of some
1:40:04
sectors of the nobility of the time and also of the sinturual intellectuals of the
1:40:10
time began to embrace or approach the Protestant reform. And there, they aborted
1:40:15
the Catholic Church. Abortion with a thousand strategies at the time, today,
1:40:19
is another obvious thing. In the Catholic Church it has another physiognomy in that
1:40:29
good sense and one of the things we need. I said, the greatest
1:40:33
missionary we have is the Bible. He is the missionary par excellence. Well,
1:40:39
I got this one, but this is the reform one. But there
1:40:42
are all of them. We haven' t brought the others I have.
1:40:45
I in my little house could have brought the collection of bibles that I have
1:40:50
a real collection. But the Bible is the missionary and Bible society carries the
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Bible where many cannot access it because of economic conditions in many precarious countries.
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And for that is the project of a Bible to upload me and I believe
1:41:08
it is in our solidarity to make Bible society clear. If Bible society edits
1:41:13
certain translations and certain things and promotes them and puts them on sale in that
1:41:17
small margin that you have to reinvest it in missionary projects, it does not
1:41:24
exist to enrich itself and it is not enriched and it is not non-
1:41:30
profit submission and it does not go that way. Then all you get is
1:41:33
to reinvest it. But the most important background we have is that we are
1:41:42
on the subject of a Bible a month because after doing the translation, we
1:41:48
cannot stay there what the public society does. Now we must produce and deliver
1:41:54
the Bible text to people in those formats that they can access. And you
1:41:59
have to make paper bibles and you have to make bibles like our slogan so
1:42:05
that people can access the price they can pay there. And that, then,
1:42:10
depends a lot. But I think we are the entity that makes bibles,
1:42:15
we are not the only one, but the one that adjusts the price
1:42:23
of output of a book of more than 1, 200 pages in a special
1:42:29
Bible paper and that does not exceed four euros. This is, this is
1:42:31
a bargain, is that that' s not just what society can do.
1:42:35
We have to wobble our brains to find what is clear, because the trade
1:42:41
margins only cover production costs, because what we want with us is for it
1:42:45
to spread and distribute as much as possible the scriptures. But not only do
1:42:51
we stay there with the one- month Bible project that are those people and
1:42:57
donors who for many are accompanying the month by month. With that small amount
1:43:03
it makes it possible not only to subsidize the cost of departure, but also
1:43:10
to make free donations for projects of the Church' s mission. We have
1:43:18
to support the mission that the Church does. One of them is the work
1:43:23
with prisons. As you know there Ministry of Religious Assistance in prisons and for
1:43:32
them we provide, within our means, all the material we can, free
1:43:39
or subsidized. Why, because it' s the church and that mystery that
1:43:44
' s handing it over to the prisoner for free. That' s why
1:43:46
he' s not going to buy it for you, of course, but
1:43:49
you' re going to hand it over to the prisoner and we' re
1:43:55
going to do it as they tell us, that' s the best way
1:44:00
to get it to the prisoners, that is, the format, the font
1:44:06
size, the type of paper, as you know, and it' s
1:44:12
very repetitive, but it' s still the ultra fine fine paper bibles that
1:44:12
prisoners smoke. Then they ask for many Bibles, but already prison officials tell
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us hear no other Bible flames of these that already know what they were doing.
1:44:21
Fovettes pass it off as drum, which is not the hard cardboard cover
1:44:26
either, because that makes tools, that is, you have to think about
1:44:31
what format we give it. Then we are doing a free gospel behind bars,
1:44:39
with a very nice special role, by the way, with testimonies of
1:44:44
Spanish prisoners who have met the lord in prison and who give unscentable paper,
1:44:50
so that the gift is so that they have it in their boy or as
1:44:55
they say, and they can read it calmly, with a more legible letter,
1:45:00
etcetera, etcetera. And so, we' re making materials for free
1:45:05
or if we can make them free for hospitals. Yes, I mean,
1:45:11
there are prisons, hospitals and urban tribes that call it urban and then there
1:45:16
' s the transit operation uy those of a colossal magnitude. That we go
1:45:20
further, but I want to say that these are some of the aspects of
1:45:26
investment. Of course, all these are donations that are delivered free of charge
1:45:31
accompanied, in addition to a bottle of water, to those who are worth
1:45:36
transit. Operation transit is to take advantage of the transit operation of the State
1:45:45
that every summer, as you know, transit through our country thousands and billions
1:45:49
of vehicles that go from the countries of residence of northern Europe to their country
1:45:54
of origin, in North Africa and in the Spanish and French ports. Right
1:46:00
now we' re in a lot of ports waiting to take the ferret.
1:46:04
We gave them a free package of scriptures in their language and, in some
1:46:11
cases bilingual, in Spanish Arabic, French Arabic to families and we have already
1:46:17
delivered more than sixteen million scriptures to the ports. How we do it.
1:46:23
First, with the donations of one Bible a month we produce the new wills
1:46:30
in their language, also designed in a form and style that an Arab culture
1:46:36
will not reject, which is another issue that sometimes volunteers have to tell you,
1:46:41
because Arab and Muslim culture has a great respect for the book. Then
1:46:49
the book is very sacred and ours that we give over the Bible, the
1:46:54
Koran, is a book to which you have great respect. That' s
1:46:58
why we tell our volunteer Look, if you go with your Bible, don
1:47:01
' t take it anyway, don' t see that the twist goes or
1:47:06
that the painter rules, because for them that' s discrediting what we give
1:47:10
it. Not then do we work with the volunteers to make it a very
1:47:16
effective delivery according to the culture we are going to. And, on the
1:47:20
other hand, after producing that, what we seek are volunteers during the month
1:47:26
of July and August, who want to come with us to have a missionary
1:47:30
experience, with another culture, without leaving your country. This is a wish.
1:47:35
That possibility is open. That' s already open. You must enter
1:47:40
the website of the Bible society Slow Org, missionary projects, transit operation.
1:47:46
There are the dates, there are the costs of the stay. We do
1:47:51
so in small groups, small groups of ten twelve people, because there are
1:47:58
also many volunteers coming from the United States, Australia, South Africa, Lebanon,
1:48:02
Egypt. Of course, these people who live in Europe, the Muslims
1:48:05
who come in Europe, speak English and French perfectly and in Spanish nostro.
1:48:11
We have to speak in Spanish, that we have many and those volunteers gather
1:48:15
them in the ports, in schedules where the ferries enter and leave and in
1:48:20
those waits we deliver the material. So we' ve reduced, well reduced.
1:48:25
We' ve put Thursday through Monday, weekends, which is when there
1:48:28
' s more movement. And if in any group you want to go,
1:48:32
the youth groups of a church, get in touch with us and it will
1:48:36
be an unforgettable one. It' s an evangelistic campaign. In addition,
1:48:42
kind serennos and stridence, but very intentional, what is operation, transit,
1:48:46
the distribution of scriptures with a bottle of water, and that what awaits us
1:48:50
is the experience of the spiritual struggle, that struggle that Paul tells us.
1:49:00
We have no fight against flesh and blood. That' s where you live
1:49:04
with that one. You live there on the front line, of course,
1:49:08
look, how interesting your first line is, because it looks like it'
1:49:12
s easy. Well, I' m gonna give you a package. I
1:49:15
just have to learn three sentences in your language to deliver it. Yes,
1:49:17
yes, but when they are there, when you are in front of so
1:49:24
many people, of that condition, of that culture, the enemy tail the
1:49:29
evil, salan or some phrases that are to paint God bless you and such
1:49:36
hear, then for all that. Well, in so many chapters we have
1:49:41
talked about prisons that there is a huge investment in hospital pastoral care, with
1:49:45
hospital agents in different parts of the country, the transit operation project and there
1:49:50
are others. Then, too, sending to countries in precarious conditions that cannot
1:49:55
be found in Cuba, Venezuela, and there are countless countries in Nicaragua,
1:49:59
where Bibles are being sent free of charge to access the population. So Uban
1:50:03
Uban is a Bible a month Uban. That is how we can proactively collaborate
1:50:12
with this missionary who is the Bible, take her to so many places in
1:50:18
need with the Uban project, because Uban, entering the partner website applies or
1:50:25
there explains how it is a monthly fee, a minimum of five to ten
1:50:30
euros that each person monthly. That is why a Bible a month gives us
1:50:36
and we transform it into Bibles and new wills. And then, at the
1:50:43
end of the year, we' ll see. As you have already said,
1:50:45
we have given free scriptures to Bible societies that have been left by the
1:50:50
crisis and pandemic badly damaged economically and have sent them free Bibles to help those
1:50:58
populations to have scriptures. Venezuela, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico and now Cuba have
1:51:05
opened their hands a little bit. So it' s been almost a million
1:51:15
bibles. Look, notice in a short time, a little, two years,
1:51:18
in two years. It' s a lot, but very colossal.
1:51:23
But that' s why a Bible a month Uban is a Bible to the
1:51:30
Month and then we can make a coblation of between five and ten euros is
1:51:32
within reach. If one says well, I work with that they are very
1:51:39
worthy, with passion a solidiamente worvisión or with other solidarity initiatives, the youth
1:51:47
of life, who humanitarian organizations of first level or rowing, whoever it is
1:51:54
is formidable. That' s a very important chapter. But in our ram
1:51:58
it is also the life that, by the way, in sociability also assumes
1:52:02
some projects as well as wells in some places and humanitarian very punctual, in
1:52:09
extreme situations, but our priority mission is to carry the bread of life.
1:52:14
Then, one Bible a month helps us a lot. That is to make
1:52:18
us aware and to collaborate in missionary action, not only of the Biblical society,
1:52:24
but of the Bible. That helps and contributes to the fact that in
1:52:31
the Bible it was considered named to see if my memory does not fail me
1:52:38
as by the UN, as the other humanitarian aid. This UN certification makes
1:52:44
it possible for Bible societies around the world to be present in refugee camps,
1:52:50
in war conflicts, in the natural disasters that occur and that leave people in
1:52:59
their refugee camps. It allows entry so that scriptures can be distributed in these
1:53:08
situations, the refugee camps. It has to be thought coldly that humanitarian aid
1:53:16
to the doctor and food passes in the morning at 11: 30 and it
1:53:21
is all settled in the sense that I already have today' s food and
1:53:26
the doctor has passed. Now what do I do all day? What do
1:53:30
I do with my kids all day? What I do with my young people
1:53:34
all day. It is that the refugee camp is very dramatic, not only
1:53:41
because they are in that situation, but also because the day is very long.
1:53:45
Of course, then, Bible societies in those countries, with which they
1:53:48
are closest, send their volunteers with scriptures and work with children, with young
1:53:56
people. Feel to read, feel to play, and feel to bring the
1:54:02
tremendous scriptures to you. That' s why it' s very important to
1:54:06
collaborate. To do so, I use a Bible a month. Collaborate with
1:54:11
Bible society, please, because it is the bread of life. And besides,
1:54:16
it' s an insignificant thing. Five euros, ten euros that is
1:54:24
within reach of an immense majority in Europe, more Spanish than those in the
1:54:30
precarious, extreme situation, No, but most people. We can collaborate with
1:54:38
at least ten euros, the one that can do more, very well,
1:54:42
because then it is a Bible. There are two bibles a month, three
1:54:44
bibles, four or five bibles. Then enter the page of the Bible Society
1:54:48
of Spain, Org Bible Society, and they automatically get a tab, a
1:54:55
tab inviting you to participate in the program of a further library projects. And
1:55:00
this is the priority, the star of sociability to promote missionary action. But
1:55:06
it has good, there are many projects. He also has the neuslatter that
1:55:13
the letters I am going to receive and above all, those who enter into
1:55:16
this project have the letter. If you enter the page, in the end
1:55:21
you can give your email and weekly we send news of what is happening very
1:55:28
interesting, where are arriving the Bibles that we produce missionary services, to the
1:55:32
churches, to the prisons, to the testimonies, and we also have there
1:55:39
an audio material that we work with the Ministry of the Faith Comes by hearing
1:55:46
where they produce the Bible in dramatized audio. They are devices, devices that
1:55:54
help put the new will dramatized in those places where people cannot read what prisons
1:56:00
are like, such as hospitals, such as nursing homes, the residences of
1:56:04
minors, unaccompanied. In many places, the word of God also comes in
1:56:14
audio to the ear. We have apparatuses and devices that help and facilitate listening
1:56:21
to the dramatized New Testament and that project is underway and we have recorded the
1:56:29
New Testament in different languages of the national territory so that in each place they
1:56:34
also have in the scriptures, in their language and in audio, so that
1:56:41
they can listen and spread it. And it' s also being very effective
1:56:44
in Catalan, by the way, in Basque, well, in Galician there
1:56:49
were also a number of translations. Also now in Asturians you go to finished
1:56:56
products. Well also the new translations of the word. And all that,
1:57:01
that' s the chore that there' s a series of yes there'
1:57:03
s everything. Now we' re going to record other languages in North Africa,
1:57:10
because there are also populations who don' t have reading, that is,
1:57:15
who don' t know how to read. There is much more anolphabetism
1:57:17
within Morocco, Algeria and then we are recording in their own languages, also
1:57:23
in the New Testament. Yes, in the terilla, in the gevali,
1:57:28
in the riff, in the berber, which are in all these languages.
1:57:32
That' s interesting. Well, remember the Bible society of Spain rg there
1:57:36
you can access and see all the programs in progress and how to also collaborate,
1:57:43
besides praying that it is one now when listening to us you will tell
1:57:46
because of course I have to last for the Bible study, because this,
1:57:49
we wanted it to be a kind of showcase of the Year of Kika.
1:57:53
And no, no, no, this is a moving move, but at
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a thousand an hour in n n n n n NS, then there are
1:58:00
projects as from end to end, which is a project recently in recent years,
1:58:05
but which is having a tremendous impact. Tell us a little good.
1:58:13
The extreme arises from our own research, which I did with teenagers and young
1:58:20
people at the various national meetings, asking the children. Hey, you guys
1:58:29
go with the Bible, you don' t use it, you don'
1:58:34
t understand it. There are not many things that we have to foresee as
1:58:44
much as public society as churches. But I think of my church as well
1:58:47
as my teenagers. Today few people move the book on paper. Most of
1:58:57
us carry the electronic bible, we take the vibr to electronics, but the
1:59:01
kids even more. And the other thing that called me the tank has all
1:59:05
the versions of the Bible in the clear. I always say our app is
1:59:13
ju version. Yeah, and if you haven' t been unloaded, you
1:59:16
know you won' t get into heaven. You' ll come to Peter
1:59:19
and ask them You' ll let go of the juversion. Well, there
1:59:24
they are, not only ours, there are all the translations and versions of
1:59:28
other entities, of other parks, that they are all together and we have
1:59:32
not closed the door to others, but that juversion has all and also has
1:59:36
them in audio and video notice And based on that with the guys who also
1:59:43
told me Mira, we do not talk about Jesus to our companions and our
1:59:47
companions do not know who Jesus is. And he tells me one. I
1:59:56
was walking with a friend and he told me to listen to that building what
2:00:00
it is. And the other stranger said because a man a church do not
2:00:06
know at home, they tell them nothing about religion. Nor do we have
2:00:13
a growing generation at school without the values and knowledge of Christendom, unlike us,
2:00:19
who have been born into a varligious, Catholic, but religious culture.
2:00:27
But now they don' t, now they don' t know, they
2:00:31
don' t know who Jesus is. They don' t know what Christianity
2:00:32
is. Interestingly, this is not sociologically if they are doing studies and adolescents
2:00:39
and young people do not know. There is the total Christianization of Europe in
2:00:43
the last thirty years. But galloping then, with these elements that we have
2:00:50
thought of developing this project that we have called him from end to end,
2:00:56
that is, from one end a person who knows nothing about Jesus, to
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present him to Jesus, to make him follow Jesus, accompanying him on a
2:01:10
journey in four moments or in four ways that can awaken that interest in knowing
2:01:15
Jesus. And we do it through one of the biographies of Jesus, Gospel
2:01:19
Matthew, Mark Luke or John. And we have it in images, because,
2:01:26
of course, it' s a very visual generation. And the first
2:01:29
thing we do is present Jesus in images. And we have alum of Project
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and there you can see on the website. It is a Smark Project,
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that is, it is a small projector, that very modern, that does
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not need cable, is charged with battery. He doesn' t need sound,
2:01:54
because he brings his own speaker. You don' t need anything but
2:01:57
to put it on a table and project it to a wall and you have
2:02:02
all the gospel Wow. And what today is the biblical text, It is
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not a script is not the chosent film although it is very similar, but
2:02:13
it is they have made a gospel in images, recreated in the culture of
2:02:18
Palestine, of that audiovisual. I saw what I saw and it' s
2:02:25
fine. It doesn' t envy shows in another hour, but the great
2:02:32
performers And it' s the biblical text, it' s the Bible text,
2:02:36
the gospel explained as it is, but the dramatized one made in images.
2:02:42
So we' ve recommended having a group of people, young women.
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I always thought of it as teenagers. I' m going to introduce you
2:02:50
to Jesus, because since he was born, when he was a child,
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when he was a public person who went to his death, of course,
2:03:02
and his resurrection in six or seven and more steps, he can be presented
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and we do it with the Bible text in a place in John, in
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scenes of no more than three minutes, two minutes and a half three minutes,
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which is what a teenager will endure. Of course and from there,
2:03:24
the image gives many riches of dialogue and the person who is there dialogues,
2:03:30
they talk, they ask, a dynamic is established among them very good.
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After what we do is take them to listen to it instead of seeing it.
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We heard it dramatized, that we also have a team, a party.
2:03:46
It is that we have mentioned before that you can hear it and then
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what I encourage you to read it, because the idea is to bring you
2:03:56
to the word, to the text that opens the Bible and read it together,
2:04:01
the power of the word, effectively and then live it in Community.
2:04:04
Listen that extreme project is great and we have reports still in the churches of
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ours and others that we are talking about. And it' s great because
2:04:17
it' s contemporary, it' s practical, it' s more pedagogical
2:04:27
for the youth mentality, because it simplifies it and, besides, it'
2:04:31
s very functional and it' s a first- class evangelism tool. I
2:04:32
mean, this is a free offer that makes sociability. But of course,
2:04:39
when someone makes a free offer, the correspondence of a church or a group.
2:04:44
Please make a generous donation to Bible society. I always tell you that
2:04:50
it is not free for although it is, obviously, because it is a
2:04:57
very nice project and that it has jumped beyond the young, because there are
2:05:01
churches that have already incorporated it into the small home groups where you invite perfect
2:05:08
for groups. Yes, because the image tells you things, yes, yes,
2:05:11
yes, things and the cost has moved. You just have to tell
2:05:15
me what you' re doing. WOW. Some people tell me how.
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Yeah, in a month we' re gonna call you to tell us how
2:05:24
you started, what' s going on, how you' re implementing it.
2:05:30
And we keep track of the almost eighty- two projects that are already
2:05:35
in progress or extreme this project and then the biblical society, in addition to
2:05:42
those that we have mentioned, above all, remember that there is one that
2:05:45
is crashed the star that is the Uban project, is the project of recectation
2:05:50
of fonts to invest it in all this, of scriptures, in scriptures.
2:05:57
Then let us actively collaborate now with God begging and with the deck giving and
2:06:02
the deck in the benign sense of the word. It is donations to a
2:06:08
missionary agency, such as the Biblical Society of Spain, which puts the word
2:06:13
of God at the disposal of the people, of the people of various segments,
2:06:20
and then sociability also produces. He has many productions of also help,
2:06:25
support, as well as Bibles and such truth has a lot of things we
2:06:31
have to offer churches tools that help him to make the word of God visible
2:06:38
where they are, such as biblical expositions. You can also see it there
2:06:44
on the website. We have three four exhibitions offering it to the churches to
2:06:50
make them visible. It' ll be here next week. Here comes San
2:06:55
Boy an exhibition we call Bible and culture. It is a Bible tour of
2:07:00
what it tells us, what it is made up of, how the Bible
2:07:04
has influenced Western culture, music, cinema, painting, sculpture, art,
2:07:09
language, how the Bible is present in all those areas. And there are
2:07:17
thirty- six digitized panels, beautiful, eye- catching, and besides,
2:07:24
we put copies of Bibles, about two hundred copies with Bibles in languages of
2:07:30
the five continents. And that' s where people end up. To say,
2:07:34
then, a Bible, a Bible potion. There is only one,
2:07:39
not many, but it is an exhibition that enriches the congregation, that makes
2:07:44
it visible in the cultural center or in the place where it is and can
2:07:48
invite the neighborhood to what is important for us the word of God in all
2:07:54
formats, there you can see it in many languages, in new formats,
2:07:59
digital, etcetera, etcetera. There are other exhibitions that also support all that.
2:08:05
In addition, we are offering Bible science seminars to churches that want to
2:08:11
acquire more capacity than we talked about at the beginning of proposed translations. We
2:08:20
also have a channel on YouTube Bible society and have all the free seminars that
2:08:28
emerged in the pandemic. In the pandemic we sit down and now what do
2:08:35
we do the subject of the seminaries of the Bible sciences, that practically once
2:08:39
or twice a month, twice before. This is very interesting of the highest
2:08:43
level. Yesterday' s was very good. It was him, because it
2:08:48
' s the project we' re starting from translation or putting the bible in
2:08:52
people with neurouniversities. I' ve been listening to this subject. I didn
2:08:56
' t hear it coming, but I could compare it. But you can
2:09:00
' t see it because it' s there for free or that one.
2:09:05
The subject as we would think about, for example, autistics, people with
2:09:11
Asperger and so many others are one, but they have a language difficulty and
2:09:18
for them they are making texts with specialists, with associations that work with them,
2:09:26
etc. The project has started which is going to be long and expensive,
2:09:31
very expensive. Sure, sure, good, or look at the Bible
2:09:37
society of Spain. We are talking to Gonzalo Soriano, who is the man,
2:09:41
the man orchestra, because he takes in dance the whole project of promoting
2:09:46
biblical society. He is the man who explains everything to us in detail,
2:09:52
who is present at events and, well, with all the human team that
2:09:58
work. There, then, is our Director General, Luis Fajardo, all
2:10:05
also the Director of Publications, Juan Triviño, a magnificent worker of one of
2:10:09
the most brilliant minds on editorial issues in the publishing world in general. And
2:10:18
then, well, everything, a series of workers who are there at the
2:10:22
work site so that this job gets where it has to go. Remember one
2:10:31
Bible a month you can make a contribution project, a monthly duration per person,
2:10:37
but also as a church, we can make a private one. You
2:10:39
can make a ten- euro native. A church can make a native fifty
2:10:43
euros. It' s five bibles, well, it' s five icings
2:10:48
It' s more than five bibles, but it' s a bigger project
2:10:54
or twenty or thirty or fifty or one hundred euros. It is making the
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most important missionary of the evangelizing work, which is the Bible in this case,
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this operation transits people from different segments and then countries that are in maximum
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s one of the objectives, because I think we' re going to leave
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it here, but we' ve given a very wide view. Well,
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it' s not bad and more than you can see on our Org Bible
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Society website and those who are thinking or not going to talk about selling.
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Yes, we also have bibles for sale and in our online shop is all
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think local churches that have bookstores have a special price. Of course, when
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you enter the whole Bible, there is an eyelash, I think it'
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s called that, it puts missionary editions, you go in there and there,
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you' re going to find new wills, missionary gospels. What that
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in addition, if there is a greater interest or a large volume of
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they' re very well presented. Those go now the publishers, the
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nice Bibles left. That' s good. How nice, Gonzalo Soriano,
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you very kindly. Thank you for being here on this traveling train, the
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train of life that travels everywhere, travels everywhere. If we get to better
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means than the train to marte or to jupiter soon, already, thanks to
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Gonzalo and until the next enchanted, why I get tired of waiting, why
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I find it difficult to trust and if you always kept your hand and what
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it would serve to win this whole world be in the end I end up
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away from your side and all this that I have gained will lose its value.
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I' m not going anywhere. Not me or if you don'
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t go with me, why not. The promise is not coming is that
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I will walk with you and you are all I want in that life and
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your presence is my promised land as a child. Everything that' s good
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comes from your hand, what I love most is always at your side.
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There is nothing outside of you that fills my heart an exasperated guard friend and
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do not leave me without because my treasure you have cherished the presence of my
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God. I' m not going anywhere, I' m not going if
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you' re not going with me anymore, why so. The promise is
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not to get there is that I will walk with you if you are all
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I want in that life, to find in your braves, to be a
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dream refuge. I never want to get away from you and boil in your
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house that loves me and here I want to live by myself. I'
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m not going anywhere, I' m not giving you no peace with me.
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The thing is, I' m going to walk You' re all
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I want in this figa. You are all that I loved in this Bible
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He' s there with his so- called doctor habitulation, the man'
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s family that helps us on many guidelines. It is not only the medical
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facet, but the psychological and spiritual facet. Also in direct line with Dr
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Rocca. Here, on the train of life, let' s talk today
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about the problem of human pain. Cease, Luis has already talked about this
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problem. Pain is a universal and inevitable mystery that overwhelms and baffles the human
2:20:35
being in general. More or less anaesthetic formulas are often proposed, passive resignation
2:20:43
to escapism or nullification of the will, but no case solves the questions that
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every man is asked, every man and every woman, what sense suffering has,
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how painful reality is harmonized with divine goodness. Sometimes one feels with and
2:20:58
feels that God is nowhere or feels abandoned by God. Well, we'
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ll talk about this and what to do when the disease changes our life and
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that of our family, how to deal with this. Let' s look
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for Dr Roca' s contest, support, and wisdom. This morning he
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wants the train of life hello. Dear, friend, Dr Roca, how
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about hello brought Julio Good- bye, Dr Roca, the good pain.
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Cese, Louis, the famous thinker who was close to being a literary Nobel
2:21:39
in his time, Oxford professor, this man, this Irishman, who has
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written very interesting books. After being an agnostic, a retamed atheist, he
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wrote the problem of pain. He says pain is like a loudspeaker from God.
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How' s that, how you eat that, well, look.
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Pain is something that accompanies the human being from birth. We are already born
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in our mothers, We are in the world with labor pains, the baby,
2:22:15
although he cannot express it verbally, but we do know that he has
2:22:20
great suffering. Today, this is best known for all the technical advances regarding
2:22:26
the secretion of dorfins substances similar to morphine that the see will segregate in your
2:22:33
brain so that it is bearable that moment of pain also, unfortunately, many
2:22:39
times at the end of life we see that pain is there also and especially
2:22:45
when there are serious diseases that end the life of the patient And throughout life
2:22:50
has wanted Julio. You know there are very pleasant moments for others with a
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lot of pain and different kinds of pain, which says so many times God
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speaks to us. He does it through nature, he does it through his
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word, he does it through all his revelation and those voices we often silence.
2:23:16
But God speaks louder when the pain appears. And from there you can
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say that pain is a loudspeaker for God. Not because sometimes God will put
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us up and use the pain to listen to him. It' s a
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paradox. But I really recommend this book by Cese Luis the problem of pain,
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which is really a manifesto, because he tells it from his own experience
2:23:48
of pain, when his own wife suffered from a cancer that was painful,
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painful in extreme and, moreover, relatively long, and this was a very
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great emotional pain. And from there, in his reaction against divinity, at
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some point, his deep, deep, deep reflection led him to a reunion
2:24:18
with God and he realized things that are really not easy to discover. Right.
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Yes, the truth is it' s a curious case, because it
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' s not the most common thing in our experience. Quite the opposite.
2:24:31
People often deny God in the face of a particular problem of this kind.
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And the question is why me, because now, because my wife, because
2:24:41
my son and unfortunately, there is no sensible answer that we can give them.
2:24:48
Yes, but it is an admirable fact that this Louis, in that
2:24:56
moment of pain, through an internal process, comes to conviction and also to
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the recognition of God. And well, because he to God did, he
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has left a lot of magnificent works and I remember in my days as a
2:25:16
theology student the letters of the Devil to his nephews, which are very greasy
2:25:20
pieces and very instructive. But focusing on the subject at hand. And it
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is surprising that someone, through pain, without a previous experience, opens the
2:25:31
door of faith. Rather it is often the opposite People often deny God.
2:25:35
He usually denies God many times. This is terrible, but we live like
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this. Now, when we go into pain, it would be, then,
2:25:43
the center of what we are dealing with, Dear July. We can
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classify pain in different ways. We will perceive it in acute situations, which
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can be of greater or lesser intensity. We all know when we talk about
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what we' re talking about, he didn' t have a migraine,
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he didn' t have a headache, he didn' t have a pain
2:26:05
in some limb, in a leg in his hand, who didn' t
2:26:09
hit himself, who didn' t break a bone. And we know what
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a pain we call acute. Acute because it appears quickly and its duration is
2:26:18
usually limited in the time taken care, that this acute does not mean that
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it cannot be serious. Myocardial infarction is also an acute pain and can have
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terrible consequences. But these acute pains, once they have passed, usually remain
2:26:35
a memory, a vain memory, I would say to you, for example,
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surely if there are many, there are women who have given birth that
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are listening to us right now, they know the birth pains, but after
2:26:50
the time and joy they have for having the creature has passed, the birth
2:26:54
pains are not forgotten, but they are relegated to a corner of the memory.
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That' s a sharp pain that' s probably not going to leave
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great aftereffects on a person' s behavior. However, when he is in
2:27:07
pain, it is a prolonged, intense, inhuman, heartbreaking, unbearable pain,
2:27:18
which often requires high- end, high- level medicines to make him
2:27:24
bearable, to make him controllable. Place the doubt that will leave a mark
2:27:30
on the human soul. One of the footprints is probably the humiliation of pride.
2:27:35
You know about human beings, we' re very proud. That is
2:27:39
a widespread tendency and in the face of such situations of brokenness God can use
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that pain to bring about a change of attitude of the person and indeed so.
2:27:58
Many times we see changes. There are no people who also live,
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as I would say, making use of those circumstances and become complaining, even
2:28:07
as they exploit their privileged position within the family and even sometimes observe pyramidal behaviors
2:28:16
within the family. Based on this experience of pain, which is all centered
2:28:22
and sometimes physical, it is sometimes neurotic. Sometimes it takes a lot to
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differentiate and many times, then, to do a detailed study of the patient
2:28:33
to differentiate between the real pain of the body and neurotic pain or mental pain.
2:28:41
Of course, there are many neurotic circles in a disease. Right.
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Yeah, let' s see, the human being is complex. We are
2:28:50
not talking about an opening, a simple thing, a basic mechanism. We
2:28:58
are talking about the coronation, the culmination, the creation of God. We
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are the icing of the cake, to put it graphically. God created beings
2:29:11
created the world, created things, created living headquarters, animal plants, but
2:29:16
notice that the last of creation is man. Well, someone can take him
2:29:20
away to say good is the woman, if she can do the wise best,
2:29:24
no more perfect, because God somehow, he wanted it that way.
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But certainly there are people who live it from neurosis in July and there is
2:29:37
a lot of neurotic aspect, also certain diseases cared for. That doesn'
2:29:43
t mean we don' t have to pay attention to him. On the
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contrary, because sometimes we see people who have them linden. Or they'
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ve gone to the family doctor and been branded neurotic, given an anxiolytic,
2:29:54
decisive entity and really had a terrible, serious pathology, and it' s
2:30:01
unfortunate that that happens. Let' s see, it happens. We are
2:30:05
human, all of us, including doctors and many times, especially in the
2:30:11
current system is about saturation. I understand that these things can happen. I
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don' t justify them, but I can undertake them. And the truth
2:30:18
is what to do when illness and especially painful changes our lives and, of
2:30:26
course, also that of our family. True, how this is dealt with
2:30:31
is difficult and especially when it is a pain. You know that pain can
2:30:37
be a prolonged pain, but a disease that is not anticipated to result in
2:30:43
a fatal outcome. And this is what can be present there years and years
2:30:48
and years with limitations, sometimes with deformities of the patient' s joints,
2:30:54
with limitations on mobility, to the state of the soul that is going to
2:30:58
be greatly affected in these patients. And then there' s the pain in
2:31:07
extremis that ends up armal and that one already knows that that patient has the
2:31:13
days numbered and in those cases the doctors. I think it' s a
2:31:18
good thing we do. It' s the potent painkillers to be patient with
2:31:26
a quality of life. Sometimes ten days less than life means ten feet less
2:31:31
pain. We are not in favor of profit, no one thinks this,
2:31:37
but we are in favour of a human treatment of the patient and of pain.
2:31:43
We have had cases in which the patient has been found unable to recover
2:31:48
and then we have chosen prior consent, of course, and many times by
2:31:54
request to express the patient will be given and good to keep the constancy until
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God takes it, because the pain is something tremendous. In these cases and
2:32:05
apart, it is a fruitless pain, because life is limited. Of course
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how important it is to at least arm yourself with this thought, this attitude.
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When I was remembering, when the Apostle Peter who speaks much of suffering
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in his first letter, by the way, and addresses those who suffer in
2:32:26
the whole world because of faith in Christ, he says arm yourselves with this
2:32:31
same thought, speaking of the sufferings of Christ. Well, then we'
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ll see what it is. It could be a perfect moral for the believer
2:32:45
who really finds a strength in this Not resignation, because resignation is a drowning
2:32:52
despair, right. Yes, you see, resignation is a despair to very
2:32:58
well diverse more today than to God. Thank you, science has come a
2:33:05
long way. And the truth is that I have to tell you, dear
2:33:07
Julio, that today, to God thank you, we do not have a
2:33:11
patient who lives a condition of pain of our society. In others, I
2:33:15
do not say, but in our society, neither official medicine nor doctors allow
2:33:20
people to live in extraordinary pain. You even know we have special units,
2:33:30
specific and specialized in pain treatments. And let' s say, then,
2:33:35
when you can no longer do anything else humanly to prolong or save the patient
2:33:41
' s life. And in this sense, because I consider that an attitude
2:33:45
to pain is also very positive, because what can we do to deal with
2:33:52
pain, apart from seeking human help? I believe, Julio, that we
2:33:56
have to seek human help? When we are not able to find a solution
2:34:01
for ourselves, which is most of the time. But we also have to
2:34:05
seek help from another nature, because otherwise discouragement can be catastrophic. Of course,
2:34:11
spiritual help that is understood, divine help and some say good, but
2:34:15
this, this, this, how it is eaten as clear, this might
2:34:20
not be a placebo much less. But when the disease, a chronic and
2:34:28
also painful or tortuous disease and also for the family, it is very important
2:34:35
to give some guidelines, as you are doing, so that we have the
2:34:41
best possible attitude to the disease, which often helps us to overcome. I
2:34:45
have seen people take a different attitude to illness and arm themselves with an inner
2:34:50
strength. I would really tell you to superhumanize and deal with the matter in
2:34:58
an extraordinary way. It' s true. I am also a witness of
2:35:03
patients who have been in a good state of health or who have gone to
2:35:09
medical consultations due to banal pathology and who, well, patients who, even
2:35:13
then, have had calasified like sensitive people, nervous people and at the time
2:35:20
that they have appeared in a situation of these, in which one thinks to
2:35:22
flee are patient before a situation of these limits, how they will respond.
2:35:28
And surprise, tremendous surprise. We have seen a change of attitude, an
2:35:33
absolutely different paradigm, of behavior in those people who have drawn strength from weakness
2:35:39
and who have found many of them in God, an extraordinary consolation and I
2:35:45
am not talking about a resignation, as you said, but of true consolation
2:35:48
of beveda support, because, in short, we are in this life of
2:35:54
passage that Julius you already know, we do, we live, we are
2:35:58
a little lucky, we reproduce ourselves, but we all have an end.
2:36:01
Yes, exactly, exactly, and that' s where Luis stood when he
2:36:09
addressed his subjects, the problem of pain, which, by the way,
2:36:13
is very striking, not that everything I strongly advise this book that he wrote
2:36:20
it just before the problem with his wife, who died of cancer, because
2:36:26
he married very much as a major. He married very old and was very
2:36:30
old and well, of course, he was immensely happy. She was a
2:36:35
divorced woman she married and practically enjoyed very little of the marriage because she contracted
2:36:41
this cancer. First they had to stretch a chest and then, at that
2:36:46
time, surgery was another more invasive thing. And then, evidently, the
2:36:54
loss with the son, the boy to whom he and lands of gloom,
2:36:56
which is a film that can still be found in the m that have passed
2:37:01
it on Spanish television several times describes the history of that moment, of the
2:37:07
history of Cese Luis, And it is very interesting for people because they will
2:37:13
also find in this topic an experience with which to identify themselves does appear.
2:37:20
It' s not a very long book. Julio I don' t remember
2:37:22
if it reaches 100 pages. I think it doesn' t even come in
2:37:26
time, yes, I have it here, it has about 150 pages,
2:37:31
because something else. I thought I remembered that it was less pages. Okay,
2:37:35
but I' m fifty. It is still a little long book,
2:37:39
which can be read and it is a book of great benefit, recommended,
2:37:43
especially recommended for everyone, of course, but especially that people who are hearing
2:37:46
us and are in that situation of the parity of some physical and acute pain,
2:37:54
be chronic, be emotional, be spiritual, I think it is a
2:37:58
book that can help them a lot In this teacher of understanding. Yes,
2:38:03
the pain of Jesus of Nazareth during his early earthly experience was truncated. Jesus
2:38:13
was a carpenter, he was the son of Joseph of Mary. His story,
2:38:16
well, it' s an exceptional story. When he begins his public
2:38:22
ministry already as a preacher and begins he leaves his carpentry, but suddenly,
2:38:30
after three and a half years of public ministry, he is stopped by all
2:38:37
the hostile forces that pursued him because he was who he was and because of
2:38:43
the charisma he had. And then, but he, before being crucified,
2:38:48
was killed, he suffers a lot. He suffers a great deal in the
2:38:54
Getsemani with the torture that inflicts him and, of course, the suffering of
2:39:01
the cross is inexplicable. Right. If he doubts, although I believe that
2:39:07
Lord Jesus is not only limited, of course there is also great physical suffering,
2:39:13
but I believe that there is still a probably greater suffering which is the
2:39:18
suffering of separation with his father, the situation of abandonment in which he feels
2:39:24
that moment and that he claims that situation. But physically, no doubt,
2:39:33
only one has to contemplate the barbarity to which he was subjected. It'
2:39:37
s something to experience. I' m not much of a person who visualizes
2:39:48
scenes of violence because I personally feel damaged, they bother me. There are
2:39:54
films that I never intended to see, not because you see that cruelty of
2:40:00
the human being, that suffering that is freely inflicted on third parties. But
2:40:03
I think Net Gibson' s passion is very representative. Yes, breed the
2:40:11
barbarities. Jesus had to seem really heartbreaking triary I break the soul to whom
2:40:18
he beholds such barbarities and all that pain, he experienced and, besides notice,
2:40:26
he remained hung on the cross. It is estimated that for six hours,
2:40:31
six hours of constant torture, until he died in his own drowning,
2:40:37
in his own blood, because he was flooded inside of water, as the
2:40:45
doctors say, so that he could breathe, without being able to pump the
2:40:48
blood, by the wounds and by the brutal cardiorespiratory clairvoyance that ended his life.
2:40:54
Something terrible Julio, inexplicable, of course, the pain. That is
2:40:58
why Louis, when speaking of the problem of pain, who speaks of divine
2:41:03
omnipotence, divine goodness, human evil, the fall of man, human pain,
2:41:07
and speaks a lot about pain, speaks about hell and what and about
2:41:11
heaven and animal pain. By contrast, it is because he was a philosopher
2:41:18
besides, he was a professor of literature and was a candidate for the Nobel
2:41:22
Prize in Literature. He was an intellectual like the cup of a town.
2:41:26
In fact, this was what had taken him away from God until his friend
2:41:30
Tolkin, the famous author of the Lord of the Rings, who was a
2:41:35
fervent believer, came close to faith. And then this man, when he
2:41:43
writes all this in the dilemma of human conflict, of suffering, of pains,
2:41:48
of all kinds of pains and disappointments and of what the human being is.
2:41:52
In his fall, he comes through the intricacies of philosophy and has as
2:41:58
a light and reading of the Bible, which sheds a lot of light on
2:42:03
him. It comes to an encounter with God and where even in the midst
2:42:09
of pain, it discovers the goodness of God and the omnipotence of God and
2:42:16
is an authentic revelation. The truth is, it' s an extraordinary experience.
2:42:22
The one that is Luis counts in this book and he does a detailed
2:42:26
study. Let' s also say all that suffering is. But look at
2:42:33
what motive, that this is a curious thing and what, maybe it'
2:42:39
s good to reflect on what motive he did this research apart, he did
2:42:45
it from a person with a high capacity, with a high cultural level of
2:42:52
knowledge, as he has shown, but he does it motivated by a personal
2:42:56
problem. There' s a situation that leads to this situation not and you
2:43:05
know the food tastes better when we' re hungry. True, yes,
2:43:07
yes, really when human beings realize their need for God and seek Him.
2:43:16
Well, he always goes, I have no doubt. That' s right.
2:43:18
God always comes to pass. God always comes to pass. But one
2:43:24
must have that desire before life, before the circumstance, before the conflict,
2:43:28
before the pain or sin of seeking God. And when we look for him,
2:43:37
something wonderful happens. When we found him. That' s the truth.
2:43:41
Yeah, that' s the truth. Well, I' m not
2:43:43
clear. If we find him, Julio. I think he meets us,
2:43:46
he doesn' t find us. I think it' s a more accurate
2:43:52
definition. He finds us in us. And because, really, because we
2:43:56
arise the will, faith in the heart of man, God comes to pass.
2:44:01
We all have our way to Damascus, we all fall off the horse.
2:44:07
There is a final reality, already because this reflection gives much of itself
2:44:11
the power of the Cross, the suffering of Jesus and his death definitely,
2:44:16
and let us no longer speak of his resurrection, which was portentous. But
2:44:20
all that pain, that suffering, on the Cross. But on the Cross,
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because of that death, there is a fortress. Not only is there
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forgiveness of our sins, there is a liberation, there is a renewal of
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total life, but when we approach that cross, but when we are in
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an eventuality, in a contingency of life, the truth that the Cross,
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the person of Jesus, comforts us, the Holy Spirit encourages us. The
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Cross of Christ is a sort of evaluation of you. Well, it'
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s been our experience in some fragments of our life. True in modest like
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this Julio has been loved, you know well, because no one is excenter
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of suffering and we have not had moments in our lives either, and God
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knows that who will wait for us in a future that will bring us to
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a future where we have experienced the pain, the great physical pain, the
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great emotional pain or the request of loved ones, you have loved loved one
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another with the soul, also situations proper to the own life that has led
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us. And really there dear Julio, the painkiller or the antio depressive,
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serves little, because it is something experiential. Moreover, even I will tell
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you that for me I consider that when a person has a situation a point,
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as if the death of a loved one, there is no situation of
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mourning, of pain, of manifestation. That' s not normal. At
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least it' s not normal. The experience of that person has a tremendous
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blocking of the person who does not experience a break in that situation there is
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a blocking I always when I think about these things. It' s a
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subject that, as a doctor, I' m passionate about. And you
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know that doctors, because one of those great goals is to relieve the pain
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of our fellow men. But I am passionate when I read in the Gospel,
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that passage where Christ before the tomb of his friend, the soul of
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Lazarus and still being in the Lord of life, and even knowing that he
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will resurrect him and even knowing all that he knew that this wept before Lazarus
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' tomb. The trait of humanity that I would say overflowing is also presented
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by him at that time of pain as he manifests that so human characteristic of
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bursting into weeping at a loss. And this is positive, because it releases
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as well. This moves within the chest energies and frees us from more severe
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sufferings than I do, Julio. That' s right, dear, friend,
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the truth is that it is a broad subject that we could continue to
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address with other fringes and other important aspects, but we have to leave it
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here already knowing that we really have consolation, we have strength in God and
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we also have good resources that are also given to us, to know,
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forming a support network through the family in cases so also help and strengthen the
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patient himself with important medical and psychological assistance and, of course, spiritual,
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this can help to take another attitude of the disease and before the crisis of
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the lasting disease, right, it is good that we do not hide our
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pain, not even emotional pain, but that we share it with family,
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with friends, with professionals, with pastors, with counselors. This is going
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to ease us. But above all, above all, to share that pain,
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that situation with God, who is the great comforted. This is how
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we have proven it over and over again, and those of us who speak
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here can also testify. Dear friend, I send you a very affectionate hug
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and we will speak shortly as well, Dear friend, a very strong hug.
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Thank you, then, for a modest hug even forever. Likewise,
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