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The Kenny Report | 28 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: More climate alarmism from the ABC, with Antie warning that
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific Islands will disappear. Meanwhile, our energy shambles and
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  Speaker 2: even Labour's most sensible leader doesn't get it. Jim Chalmers
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  Speaker 2: says he stands by his ugly attack on Peter Dutton,
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  Speaker 2: but he's actually watered it down. Facebook admits censoring COVID
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  Speaker 2: posts and the Hunter Biden laptop story. I'll speak with
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  Speaker 2: Alexandik plus bad news for those two astronauts stuck in
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  Speaker 2: space and just into Navajebba Price joins me to talk
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  Speaker 2: about mining and secret indigenous heritage claims. Plenty coming up,
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  Speaker 2: including Pauline Hansen and the Wednesday wrangle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. If you're planning a trip to.
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  Speaker 2: The Pacific, then you'd better hurry up. According to the ABC,
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  Speaker 2: apparently the island nations of the Pacific places many Australians
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  Speaker 2: and New Zealanders love to holiday in, places like Fiji,
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  Speaker 2: Cook Islands, van Ouatu and Samoa. Well, they're going through
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  Speaker 2: some sort of tough climate change chaos at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: According to the United Nations and our own taxpayer funded
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  Speaker 2: ABC have a look at their reporting from the Pacific
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  Speaker 2: Islands Forum in Tonga, attended by Pacific leaders including Anthony Alberanizi.
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  Speaker 3: Songs of hope. In a time of growing climate chaos.
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  Speaker 2: A worldwide catastrophe is putting this specific pedadise in peril.
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  Speaker 3: The UN Secretary General today releasing more research showing how
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  Speaker 3: rising seas threatened the Pacific's very existenceusun's.
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  Speaker 2: Well to an almost any measurable scale, with no life
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  Speaker 2: about to take us back to safety.
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  Speaker 3: Parts of the region could for more than thirty days
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  Speaker 3: of flooding a year by mid century, and are already
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  Speaker 3: facing sea level rises well above the global average. The
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  Speaker 3: only question is how much time does the Pacific have left?
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  Speaker 2: Really, the Pacific is going to disappear, is it? Well,
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  Speaker 2: not the Pacific Ocean presumably, but the island's in it
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  Speaker 2: to These people never even think of checking their language
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  Speaker 2: or checking the ridiculous retric of the UN against the reality.
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  Speaker 2: Have they never noticed how mountainous Fiji is, or Solomon
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  Speaker 2: Islands or Vanuatu. This is just a motive, alarmist and
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  Speaker 2: fact free overreach. Now, yes, the scientists say that sea
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  Speaker 2: levels are rising, but not as steeply as the ol
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  Speaker 2: gores of this world predicted. And of course sea levels
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  Speaker 2: are always either rising or falling, and coastlines are always
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  Speaker 2: either expanding or receding.
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  Speaker 1: They never stay the same.
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  Speaker 2: But these people like to pretend that everything's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: stay the same forever, and that meteorological data over a
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  Speaker 2: decade or two can somehow give us useful trends over
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  Speaker 2: hundreds or thousands of years, and they like to pretend
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  Speaker 2: Australia can influence all this.
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  Speaker 1: It's just not sensible.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, as we've reported many times previously, the most
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  Speaker 2: recent reputable study by Auckland University found the land mass
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  Speaker 2: of Pacific islands is increasing despite concerns of erosion driven
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  Speaker 2: by sea level rise. No published evidence exists of pervasive
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  Speaker 2: erosion of atoll islands at a global scale.
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  Speaker 1: This study found. This was even reported by the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Back then under this headline about islands getting bigger despite
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  Speaker 2: global warming. Scientists at the University of Auckland found atolls
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  Speaker 2: in the Pacific nations of Marshall Islands and Kiribas, as
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  Speaker 2: well as the Mold Dives archipelago in the Indian ocean
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  Speaker 2: have grown up to eight percent in size over the
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  Speaker 2: past six decades, despite sea level rise. Now, some of
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  Speaker 2: that expansion is because of reclamation work, to be sure,
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  Speaker 2: but the reality is there and the story it tells
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  Speaker 2: is a far cry from the catastrophism that shoved down
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  Speaker 2: our throats by others.
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  Speaker 1: So don't cancel that.
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  Speaker 2: Pacific holiday just yet, and just to make sure our
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  Speaker 2: eyes are always on the facts, whether or not they
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  Speaker 2: suit our arguments. I spoke about the snow season in
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  Speaker 2: Australia a month or two ago because the slow start
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  Speaker 2: to the season had the climate alarmis for telling doom
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  Speaker 2: for snow seasons in Australia, and then weeks of good
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  Speaker 2: falls saw all the resorts and just about all the
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  Speaker 2: runs open. Well, the unseasonably warm conditions of the past
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks have ruined all that, with a couple
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  Speaker 2: of lower resorts closing early and all of them just
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  Speaker 2: hanging on at the moment by the skin of their teeth.
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  Speaker 2: That's bad news for a lot of people, of course,
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  Speaker 2: But once more the climate alarmis are out in force,
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  Speaker 2: attributing all this to global warming. A global heating fueled
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  Speaker 2: early blast of spring weather means the season may have
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  Speaker 2: peaked early, with snow fields melted by warm.
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  Speaker 1: Temperatures and washed away by showers. This was in the Guardian.
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  Speaker 2: Well we will see, but the bottom line is that
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  Speaker 2: the maximum snow depth already achieved in the snow's fields
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  Speaker 2: this season was more than they've seen in many other years.
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  Speaker 1: There's been worse before.
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  Speaker 2: We've always had very fickle snow seasons in Australia, of course,
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  Speaker 2: because of our climate changing or not. And the good
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  Speaker 2: news is snow is forecast over the next few days,
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  Speaker 2: so who knows now Because of climate alarmism, the electricity
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  Speaker 2: and energy systems in this country are a complete shambles.
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  Speaker 2: As I keep saying, our national energy self harm has
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  Speaker 2: turned one of the world's most energy rich nations into
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  Speaker 2: an energy basket.
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  Speaker 1: Case, and we're all paying for it.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to show you how one labor leader
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  Speaker 2: seems to get it, but then he just doesn't. Peter
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  Speaker 2: Melanowskis is the labor Premier of South Australia who tends
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  Speaker 2: to be pretty sensible. He says, for instance, that he's
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  Speaker 2: got nothing against nuclear energy if the dollars stack up,
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  Speaker 2: And here's what he had to say, at a News
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  Speaker 2: Corp Bush summit today.
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  Speaker 4: If you ask me, I think that the nationalization of
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  Speaker 4: the electricity sorry, the creation of the national electricity market
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  Speaker 4: combined with the privatization of the electricity market has been
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  Speaker 4: a real public policy disaster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's kind of right, But the problem wasn't the privatization.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is that after selling the generators, governments change
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  Speaker 2: the rules because of climate policies, and instead of using
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  Speaker 2: electricity generators to produce cheap, affordable power, they decided to
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  Speaker 2: use them to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That tried to
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  Speaker 2: send the generators broke by subsidizing renewable energy.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe they.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't have done that if they still owned the coal generators.
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  Speaker 1: Will never know.
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  Speaker 2: But even as it is, we've seen governments in Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: South Australia and New South Wales looking to pay the
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  Speaker 2: private generators subsidize them to keep them running. That's the
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  Speaker 2: real madness here. Whoever owns the crucial generators. The policy
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  Speaker 2: madness is government policies trying to force them to close
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  Speaker 2: down when we desperately need them. We now subsidized renewables
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  Speaker 2: to force coal out, and we subsidize coal to keep
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  Speaker 2: it going. And this is the craziness that the politicians
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  Speaker 2: of the left refused to deal with.
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  Speaker 4: The nonsense of the climate was at a federal level
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  Speaker 4: has undermine investment. Unfortunately, it looks like it's continuing today,
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  Speaker 4: and that in turn is resulting in an energy rich
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  Speaker 4: country that exports power to the rest the world paying
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  Speaker 4: a higher domestic power price than the very countries that
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  Speaker 4: we're exporting our own energy to. And if that is
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  Speaker 4: not the best example of policy failure, then I'm not
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  Speaker 4: too sure what is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have undermined ourselves, but not because of energy policy,
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  Speaker 2: or ownership or even partisan politics. Yeah, we've destroyed our
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  Speaker 2: energy advantage because we've decided to get rid of coal power,
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  Speaker 2: subsidizing renewables to force coal out before we've got enough
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  Speaker 2: secure generation to replace it. Yet, while Malanowskis questions the
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  Speaker 2: economic viability of nuclear power, a known, proven and safe
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  Speaker 2: source of emissions free and reliable power, he's pumping more
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  Speaker 2: than half a billion dollars of taxpayers money into an
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  Speaker 2: unproven so called green hydrogen plan.
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  Speaker 4: That is a massive investment that the state government is making,
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  Speaker 4: and it's a long term play.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a short term endeavor.
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  Speaker 4: It's a long term play. I think there there is
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  Speaker 4: a lot of recognition around the world that hydrogen some
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  Speaker 4: form will play a role in the global energy transition.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody knows what or how or even if large
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  Speaker 2: scale commercial green hydrogen will work. Yet, for partisan, political
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  Speaker 2: or ideological reasons, labor opposes nuclear ap proven technology. The
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  Speaker 2: madness of our energy self harm continues.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: You might know why I wear this badge of friendship
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  Speaker 2: between Israel and Australia. I put it there on the
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  Speaker 2: six month anniversary of the October the seventh atrocities because
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  Speaker 2: I was then and remain now dismayed by the way
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  Speaker 2: the world has ignored and turned its back, not just
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  Speaker 2: on the butchered victims of that atrocity, but on the
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  Speaker 2: hostages still held by Hamas in Gaza. I said I'd
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  Speaker 2: leave this there until they were all returned. Now dozens
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  Speaker 2: are dead, others have been returned or rescued, and miraculously,
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  Speaker 2: one more Israeli hostage was rescued yesterday from the tunnel
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  Speaker 2: system underneath Gaza.
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  Speaker 5: Kit Fahan al Khadi was found alive in a tunnel
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  Speaker 5: in Sudden Gaza by Israeli soldiers on Tuesday morning. This
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  Speaker 5: video was filmed on the body cameras with the special
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  Speaker 5: forces who rescued him. Kit was transferred from an armored
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  Speaker 5: vehicle to a waiting helicopter with the thumbs up for freedom.
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  Speaker 5: He was airlifted to hospital in BeSheva. Doctors there are
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  Speaker 5: checking him but say he is in a stable condition.
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  Speaker 5: Minutes after he arrived back to Israel, his family ran
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  Speaker 5: to meet the father of eleven. The fifty two year
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  Speaker 5: old Bedouin has been held for three hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: six days after he was taken by Hamas on October
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  Speaker 5: seventh from the kubbutz where he worked as a security guard.
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  Speaker 5: His brother and one of his grandsons were at his bedside.
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  Speaker 2: Just brilliant stuff, isn't it a great result? Remember, on
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  Speaker 2: an earlier mission, Israeli soldiers shot dead three hostages, tragically
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  Speaker 2: mistaking them for terrorists. So these tunnel operations are incredibly
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  Speaker 2: difficult and dangerous. Now there's another important point to make here.
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  Speaker 2: While this man is reunited thankfully with his family, he
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  Speaker 2: is a Bedouin man, an Arab Muslim man with two
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  Speaker 2: wives and eleven children, and Israeli soldiers risked their life
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  Speaker 2: for him and all of Israel is currently celebrating his recovery,
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  Speaker 2: just underscoring how Israel is a multicultural and diverse country
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  Speaker 2: and it's committed to freedom, not religious or ethnic hatred.
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  Speaker 2: This is the polar opposite to hum us. So that's
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  Speaker 2: a welcome story of relief and happiness, isn't it. And meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the torment and uncertainty continues for more than
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  Speaker 2: one hundred other Israeli hostages still unaccounted for in Gaza
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  Speaker 2: nearly eleven months on. There was a bit of economic
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  Speaker 2: news around today. The Greens are sprooking higher taxes on
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  Speaker 2: what they call super profits. Heaven help us if labour
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  Speaker 2: keeps dancing to their tune. On the inflation front, the
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  Speaker 2: news was a little better, down to three and a
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  Speaker 2: half percent, but still too high and still fears of
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  Speaker 2: not going low enough, especially if the only economic plans
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  Speaker 2: the Greens and labor have are tied up in higher
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  Speaker 2: spending funded by higher or higher taxes. But the Treasurer
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  Speaker 2: was on the back foot today defending the comments I
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  Speaker 2: criticized yesterday when he called Peter Dutton divisive and even dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers says he won't back down.
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  Speaker 6: I don't resolve one bit from the remarks that I
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  Speaker 6: made about Peter Dutton on Monday night. Peter Dutton is
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  Speaker 6: a divisive figure, and I believe he is too divisive
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  Speaker 6: to be the Prime Minister of a great country like ours.
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  Speaker 6: Divisiveness is his defining and disqualifying characteristic.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: He said he stood by his comments, but he didn't
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  Speaker 2: use the same word, did he. He never uttered the
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  Speaker 2: word dangerous. Let's see how it went to talking with
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  Speaker 2: Kieran Gilbert here on Sky.
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  Speaker 6: If you're asking me, do I stand by the comments
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  Speaker 6: I made on Monday Absolutely, I do, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 6: I do because Peter Dutton is the most divisive leader
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  Speaker 6: we've seen in politics, I think in the modern history
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  Speaker 6: of this country. It's all he knows, it's all he does,
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  Speaker 6: and that should disqualify him from the prime ministership.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, same thing, didn't use the word dangerous. He has
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  Speaker 2: back down, hasn't he. He must know it was over
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  Speaker 2: the top to call Dutton dangerous, and Labor must know
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  Speaker 2: it's nuts to call Dutton dangerous when they say they're
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  Speaker 2: happy to let Hummus sympathizers into the country and they
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  Speaker 2: keep forcing up electricity prices making it harder for businesses
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  Speaker 2: to employ people, and they exacerbate our cost of living crunch,
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  Speaker 2: and they're letting in a record migrant intake during a
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  Speaker 2: housing crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to me about dangerous. Let's go to Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: Hanson now, the One Nation leader joining me live from
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  Speaker 2: the Scenic Rim in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's reasonable to call Pete Dutton divisive
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  Speaker 2: and dangerous?
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  Speaker 7: Not at all.
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  Speaker 8: That's the that's the pot calling kettle black. I couldn't
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  Speaker 8: believe it when I actually heard that he needs to
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  Speaker 8: look in his own backyard. As I hear from a
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  Speaker 8: lot of people. In my own opinion, Anthony Albanisi is
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  Speaker 8: the worst Prime minister we have ever had. Christ you
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  Speaker 8: summed up a lot of things failed in the voice
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  Speaker 8: that was divisive and it's pit one Australian against another Australian.
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  Speaker 8: You have the high immigration which has caused the house
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  Speaker 8: and crisis that we have, you know, the electricity crisis,
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  Speaker 8: heading down the path of this climate change BS and
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  Speaker 8: the amount of money that's gone into that destroying our
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  Speaker 8: farming sector. You know, left right and center with the
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  Speaker 8: exports overseas with the farming sector, with the transmission lines.
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  Speaker 8: All this is happening so under the Labor Party and
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  Speaker 8: it just continues on and on and on, and our
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  Speaker 8: educational system, the workness, gender diversity, just everything that's happening.
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  Speaker 8: It's it's disgusting. No, Peter Dutton, I back him all
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  Speaker 8: the way and I hope he is the next Prime
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  Speaker 8: Minister of this nation.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just while you're talking about education there, I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: you caught to Gina Reinhardt's comments.
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  Speaker 1: I highlighted earlier in the week where.
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  Speaker 2: She says our schools and our teaching children to hate
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  Speaker 2: Australia rather than be proud of it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you agree with that assessment? Yes?
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  Speaker 7: I do.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, we're not talking about we're not teaching our kids
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  Speaker 8: about the history of Australia. And a lot of these kids,
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  Speaker 8: even my grandson comes home and he said, we've actually
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  Speaker 8: got to touch the ground and acknowledged that the Aboriginals
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  Speaker 8: are the traditional oners of this land. And they're coming
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  Speaker 8: home and they're saying too. And I'm hearing from parents saying,
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  Speaker 8: the kids coming home and saying, why did we actually
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  Speaker 8: murder the Aboriginal people? Why did we take the land
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  Speaker 8: from them, and this hatred is going on in our
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  Speaker 8: educational system of what we're actually the history that we
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  Speaker 8: are telling them teaching them is not the true history.
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  Speaker 8: And it's with Chris. I totally agree with what Gina
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  Speaker 8: Ryan Hard are saying. I'm hearing it all the time
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  Speaker 8: from the parents. That's why in Queensland two and twenty
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  Speaker 8: nine percent of Queensland's pull their kids out of the
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  Speaker 8: educational system are now homeschooling them. They're sick and tired
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  Speaker 8: the way the educational system's going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hell of a problem. We've got to
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  Speaker 2: get the facts.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, what what's in all of our history? But
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  Speaker 1: you've got to get the facts.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a country and a society well worth
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  Speaker 2: being proud of, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And it's tragic if our kids are.
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  Speaker 2: Not grasping that. And it's our fault. It's on us
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  Speaker 2: that we're allowing this to happen. I want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about economics again and the Greens as usual, and as
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  Speaker 2: we know, they have enormous power over labor because labor
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  Speaker 2: can't get anything through the Senate without them effectively. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, after the next election, if labor hangs on
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  Speaker 2: the power.
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  Speaker 1: There's every chance they'll rely on.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens in the Lower House as well, along with
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  Speaker 2: the tills, which are just a different color of green.
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  Speaker 2: And yet we've got out of band running around talking.
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  Speaker 1: About a new tax. He wants to work on the economy.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look, enough is enough.
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  Speaker 10: It's time to make the big corporations and billionaires pay
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  Speaker 10: their fair share of tax. This election, the Greens will
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  Speaker 10: propose a package of Robinhood reforms. The first component it's
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  Speaker 10: targeted at big corporations who are making excessive profits.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, robin Hood, he famously robbed the rich to help
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  Speaker 2: the poor. Now, the point here, Pauline, is that we're
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  Speaker 2: going to get this economy up and moving, and that
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  Speaker 2: the way to do that is to get out of
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  Speaker 2: the way of business, small, medium and large, let them
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  Speaker 2: thrive and employ people, not make it enormously harder at
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  Speaker 2: every step.
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  Speaker 8: Correct what they did in Queensland with that rulet is tax,
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  Speaker 8: they increase that. So hence we're not getting the investment
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  Speaker 8: in Australia at all. And you've got the Japanese are
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  Speaker 8: pulling out of it because they don't want to invest
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  Speaker 8: in Australia. At all, So that has a big impact.
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  Speaker 8: Not only the revenue will go down, to axis that
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  Speaker 8: are being paid will go down. It's only a short
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  Speaker 8: term fix, but in the long term it's not good
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  Speaker 8: for us. We won't get the revenue from our resources
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  Speaker 8: and then employment is affected by it, so you're going
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  Speaker 8: to lose employment. People do pay their taxes atry in Australia.
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  Speaker 8: But one thing that I pushed was the gas off
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  Speaker 8: the Northwest Shelf. We weren't taxing those internationals getting the
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: tax there, proper tax with it, and it was only
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  Speaker 8: the Coalition because I pushed and pushed and pushed for it.
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  Speaker 8: So now we're getting two point four billion dollars tax
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  Speaker 8: compared to our experts, but Qatar makes twenty six billion.
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  Speaker 8: We still got a long way to.
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  Speaker 9: Go with that.
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  Speaker 8: But Chris, if we don't do this in the right way,
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  Speaker 8: But these the Greens are socialists and what they want
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  Speaker 8: to do is tax those people all the time, they
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  Speaker 8: won't be here, they won't come to Australia, no investment
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  Speaker 8: will happen, no jobs will happen. And that's what you
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  Speaker 8: can't happen if you want to get this country up
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  Speaker 8: and moving. You want people to pay their own way
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: and get the people of the long term welfare and
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: employment who have been on it for ten twenty thirty years,
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: who think it's the god given right to be on
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: unemployment benefits, why don't they start saying, listen, mate, you've
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: got to start pulling your own weight. You've actually got
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: to get a job and contribute to this country. You
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: keep taxing those ones all the time at the high
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: end of the scale, paying that more and more tax,
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: they won't be there anymore. So what hell of a
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: mess we're going.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: To be in? Well, sure, our Pauline, thanks for joining
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: us pull enhancing their life from Coensan of course, when
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the Greens make these arguments, they forget to tell you
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: some of the companies that are not paying taxes because
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: they haven't made profits.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You only make the profit, then pay the tax.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And companies that are still recovering their construction costs and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the light tend not to pay tax. But once those
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: costs are covered they make a profit, then we get
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: enormous amounts of money for them. Our budget, our federal budget,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: not to mention our state budgets, would be in a
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: hell of a mess without the massive amounts of royalties
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and taxes we get from these major mining and other
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: exporting ventures. Now you know, because I've told you and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: shown you that, thanks to freedom information applications by Liberal
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Senator Alexantik, you know that your federal government secretly censored
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: social media posts during COVID about government responses like mask
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: mandates and posts about the effectiveness of vaccines and about
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: vaccine mandates.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: We've highlighted this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Travesty, this secret censorship a number of times on this program,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and I've covered it in the Australian newspaper too, but
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: most of the media has ignored it because most of
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the media was into COVID alamism and COVID fear mongering
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and all the disinformation that went with that. Now, this
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: censorship started under the Morrison coalition government and it was
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: continued under Albanisi and Labor. Your tax dollars were used
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to secretly censor social media opinions and facts about what
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the government and what the government was doing. And the
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: most disgusting thing about all of this was the information
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that the government's suppressed cooperation with the digital media giants.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It was all true.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: They were censoring the truth because it exposed their overreaction
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and the wrongheadedness of their draconian rules.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yet now in the.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: US, the Facebook founder and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: admitted similar censorship at the behest of government authorities there,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and he's admitted it was wrong.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I believe the government pressure.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Was wrong, and I regret that we were not more
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: outspoken about it, Zuckerberg wrote in a letter to a
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: political judiciary committee on the Hill. I also think we
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: made some choices that, with the benefit of hindsight and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: new information, we wouldn't make today. What an amazing and
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: astonishing admission. Let me bring in Liberal Senator Alex Antik.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Alex.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Now this doesn't surprise you or me, but it's an
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: important admission, and people in Australia seem to be so
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: blase about the way our own government used these digital
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: giants to lie to us.
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Chris Simmer, it was hard to get any sort
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: of interest in that story you mentioned the Freedom Information
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: application at all. I mean, you know, thanks to you
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: for printing it and writing about it in the Australia.
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: I think it was a massive story and a massive scandal.
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: Frankly that we had the Department of Home Affairs who
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: were effectively dobbing Australians in for Facebook posts, Twitter posts
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: to those companies and in many cases being censored and
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: having posts removed.
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: So we're entering into a very different.
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: World, and we have been there for some time now,
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: where social media companies, big tech companies have so much
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: control over the narrative, the sort of control really that
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: newspapers would have dreamed of once upon a time that
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: we haven't quite worked out how this works, and we're
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: seeing it. I actually spoke to doctor Robert Epstein on
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: my podcast based about this very issue from the point
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: of view of big tech companies and how they can
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: move people around to see things that they want to see.
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: But it also applies to social media, and yes, it
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: is good to see meta making these mere culpa style
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: admissions a little bit too late. I mean, I'm getting
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: a bit tired of this happening after the event, whether
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: it's a politician or whoever. There's plenty more to go
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: by the way, We've got a lot of government departments,
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: a lot of politicians, and a lot of health bureaucrats
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: that could be doing the same. Yeah, and you can
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: only look at this a little bit cynically, I have
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: to say, just quickly.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: To recap those who miss what went on in Australia.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: This was the Home Affairs Department under anti terrorism laws
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: really that was doing the bidding for the Health Department
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and paying an outside provideer millions of dollars to identify
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: posts on Twitter and Facebook and the Light in Australia
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that they didn't like about their COVID restrictions and getting
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Twitter and Facebook to take them down, using our money
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: to censor us.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And it was all done in secret.
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, look, we didn't know about it until I I
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: had a suspicion and I just simply asked the question
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: and there it was right in front of us.
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: And that's exactly what was happening.
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: And in many cases, as you said earlier in the piece,
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: they were taking down information that was right, that was correct,
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: that had no problem at all.
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: And so look, it's quite a scandal.
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: I think it's a massive scandal, and I think I'm
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: alarmed by the amount of government intervention there is in
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: freedom of speech across the world.
• 25:22
  Speaker 12: At the moment.
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: We've got the situation with Pavel Durov, the founder of
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: Telegram who's been arrested in France for reasons that will
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: presumably come to attension. But telegram is a fairly open
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: platform and we'll see defending it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Just on that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Before I run out of time, I want to mention
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the other confession from Zuckerberg and related to the Hunter
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Biden laptop story, which the digital giants deliberately suppressed. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: now as you see there, Zuckerberger said, it's since been
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: made clear that the reporting was not Russian disinformation, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: in retrospect, we shouldn't have demoted the story. Now, this
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: was a crucial story in the lead up to the
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty years presidential election, and it was deliberately censored
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: because of bad information given to Facebook by US law
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: enforcement authorities.
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and look, I would say to those who simply
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: deny the presence of election interference in the last presidential election,
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: that is it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 12: That is the very.
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: Smoking gun, if nothing else is absolutely literally had millions
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: of votes which would have turned on that issue. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: we haven't addressed this problem, the problem of big tech
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: and social media companies having now being the town square
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: and having as much control as they do. It's an
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: issue that we have to firstly acknowledge out in the
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: great wide world, and then secondly address at political level
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: spot on.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Alex, thanks for joining us.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks Chris alexantic there Now, don't go away, because still
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to come. We've got bad news for two astronauts stuck
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: on the International Space Station. One astrophysicist ways in after
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the break last week, I told you about the two
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: astronauts who blasted off for the International Space Station in
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: June on what was supposed to be an eight day mission.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: But they've been stuck in space for almost three months
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: now and we're waiting a final decision.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: About when they were going to head home.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: NASA's provided an update now, and it's bad news for
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: the estronauts.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: They'll be floating in Spice for a good while yet.
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: NASA has decided that Butch and Sunny will return with
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: Crew nine next February, and that Starliner will return uncrewed.
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: The Starliner vehicle suffered setbacks with helium leaks and thrusters
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: that abruptly stopped working on the initial leg of its
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: first crewed test flight. Engineers spent weeks trying to understand
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: the problem and alternative ways to bring the crew home.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: We have contingency options. We've put those in play. NASA
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: always has contingency options.
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: One of those contingencies is using the SpaceX Crew nine
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: Dragon spacecraft have coming to the rescue.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Fascinating and mildly horrifying that a mission of less than
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: ten dies is now going to last eight months. I
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: took it up with astrophysicist Brad TUCKA.
• 28:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah, look, fascinating, kind of for all the wrong reasons,
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: And it's the sort of thing that you think about
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: that in space things can go wrong, and it's kind
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: of been an example also really why NASA went down
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: this road. NASA went down the road of contracting two
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: companies to build capsules to ferry astronauts in the space
• 28:34
  Speaker 14: in the advent that sometime in the future you may
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: need a second capsule to get people down or supplies
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: up at short notice if one of them is stuck,
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: because that's something the spatial capability didn't have. I don't
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: think they expected it to be needed this quickly into
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: the commercial crew program, but it's proving, I guess otherwise
• 28:55
  Speaker 14: why the thinking was right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously there's there's a problem with the bowing vest,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and it looks like one of a long must SpaceX
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: vehicles will be the one to retrieve them next year.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: But it's also opened to our eyes, I suppose to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: what's going on at the International Space Station the whole time.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Because they're not there alone.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: There are other astronauts up there with them, and there's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the Boeing star Liners. There's the SpaceX vehicles as well,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and also Russian space vehicles firing people backwards and forwards.
• 29:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a really busy place, and in fact, it
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: is so busy that the delayed Boeing flight and the
• 29:34
  Speaker 14: problems to the thrusters it actually meant that they've run
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: out of or essentially run out of quarks to dock things.
• 29:40
  Speaker 14: It's a lot like a delayed airplane at the gate.
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: The plane is delayed, that means the flights using that
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: gate either have to find a new gate or a
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: backlog crews get reshuffled. This is very much the case
• 29:54
  Speaker 14: with this situation, and this is kind of why NASA
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: needs the Boeing Starliner to come down so SpaceX led
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: crew can actually get up their rotate through and get
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: the other crew down.
• 30:05
  Speaker 12: So there's always a hive of activity.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's normally four astronauts on the space X crew.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: They'll send up just two so that these two can
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: get back in the meantime. Of course, that star Liner
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: is going to be flown, is going to be returned
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to Earth.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Without any astronauts.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: And I suppose if that lands safely, they will be
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: wishing they hadn't been on board. But safety, of course
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: is a priority. They want to make sure that no
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: lives are lost.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: So you know, Boeing has been comfortable that it should
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: be safe enough, but it hasn't reached the threshold of
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: risk as acceptable to nastics.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: As you said, human life is paramount.
• 30:46
  Speaker 14: So when the Starliner comes down and it should come
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: down without problems, to be like, oh, well they could
• 30:52
  Speaker 14: have come down, But of course if there is an issue,
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: and this is a critical part, the thrusters are the
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: things that have failed, and the thrusters are what you
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: need to you precision maneuvering, slowing down and really deep
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: orbiting and deep orbiting is one of the most dangerous
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: parts of space travel because you're decelerating from tens of
• 31:10
  Speaker 14: thousands of kilometers an hour just slowing down to go
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: through your atmosphere and you have to do it at
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: the right angles, you don't heat up and the capsule
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: comes down safely.
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: So they really.
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: Don't want to risk a failure during that critical time.
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: So it's a lot easier if there's no one on board.
• 31:25
  Speaker 14: But it does mean that, yes, Butcher and Sonny have.
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: At a very extended stay and are getting.
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: The overtime increase of pay by seeing its pace for another.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Butch Wilmore and Sonny Williams have just experienced astronauts.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: And yeah, you've stall the mylne. I was going to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: joke about the IV time they're going to be getting.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: In that period, but I days has turned into white Moms.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Now that won't make short of company because of those
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: other astronauts around. But those other astronauts are there for
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: a set period of time. I presumably would have had
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: programs and experiment I were working on what will Butcher
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and Sunny be doing for five months?
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: Yeah, so really for this past two months has been
• 32:08
  Speaker 14: a bit weird because, yeah, all of these other experiments
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: and all the other astronauts have very rigid schedules and
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: experiments they're running. Now they've been helping out with Sun's
• 32:16
  Speaker 14: essentially an extra pair of free hands. But now because
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: the SpaceX crew is only going to have to people,
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: Butch and Sonny now are essentially going to have to
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: do those six month roles the other two astionauts were
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: going to go up we're supposed to do so right
• 32:31
  Speaker 14: now they're adjusting to having to learn what their duties
• 32:34
  Speaker 14: are going to be for the next six months, training
• 32:37
  Speaker 14: and preparation of equipment. Now their experience that it won't
• 32:39
  Speaker 14: take that long, but really they've had to adapt to
• 32:42
  Speaker 14: essentially a new job. It's essentially like saying showing up
• 32:45
  Speaker 14: at the office and saying, oh, well, you're actually going
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: to go do this role for six months. That's really
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: what they're having to do. So they're now going to
• 32:51
  Speaker 14: have their hands busy catching up for what they need
• 32:54
  Speaker 14: to do for the next six months and then running
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: those things until February when they can come back down
• 32:58
  Speaker 14: and finally lax when they could pack to Earth.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Just fascinating stuff, Absolutely unbelievable. Thanks for your insights, Brad,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: Thanks.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll keep an eye on This's just a fascinating story,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and I love Brad's enthusiasm and he loves his job,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't he and why wouldn't he?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: It is just fascinating stuff. Now we're going to have
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a break on the other side.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Don't go away because Shadow Indigenous Australians Minister just into Nampa,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: jimper Price will join me. We'll talk about the Environment
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: minister hitting back after seemingly killing off this gold mine project,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and also we'll ask about Alice Springs's latest weekend of carnage.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I want to get back to this controversial decision by
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Environment Minister Tanya Plipasek to block construction of a tailing's
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: dam for a billion dollar gold mine development based on
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: last minute contested indigenous cultural heritage grounds.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: According to the mining.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Company Regi's Resources, the decision has killed off the project
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: planned for Blaney in the central west of New South Wales,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: despite the local Aboriginal Land Council saying they've got no
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: issues with the proposal.
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Worst of all, the Environment Minister Tanya Plivasek, who made
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the decision, says she can't reveal the indigenous cultural secrets
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that were revealed to her that informed her decision.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: She fronted media today.
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: There is nothing to stop the project going ahead. What
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: I expect is that the tailings dam should be built
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: in another location. The project proponent has chosen the cheapest
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: and easiest location. The cheapest and easiest location has unacceptable
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: impacts on cultural heritage.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Really, she's a mining engineer now, and really this is
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: what she's saying. Work up another damn proposal over how
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: many years, costing how much more money, and get all
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the environmental and indigenous approvals and then have that one
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: knocked over at the last minute too by secret claims.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is also oversimplifying the issue.
• 35:06
  Speaker 15: The MIND has not been opposed what we're talking about
• 35:11
  Speaker 15: as a tailing stam and the company itself put forward
• 35:15
  Speaker 15: a range of options that were considered and they should
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: work to ensure the project can go ahead.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: But the New South Wales premiere is a little more realistic.
• 35:31
  Speaker 16: We are in discussions with the MIND proponent and we've
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: said very specifically that we don't want them to start
• 35:36
  Speaker 16: from the beginning. We don't want them to go all
• 35:37
  Speaker 16: the way back to twenty nineteen. We believe, we're hopeful
• 35:40
  Speaker 16: that there's a modification of the development application, which means
• 35:43
  Speaker 16: that they can be hopefully and I'm not promising this
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: but expedited approval.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what a shambles. Let me bring in just In
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: into Namba.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Jimber Prices, the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians, joins us
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: live from Alice Spring's good to talk to you again,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: you center.
• 36:00
  Speaker 17: Good to talk to you to Chris.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Look, these issues, these cultural heritage issues, I got a
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: long history in these because I exposed the fabrication of
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the secret women's business of hein Marsh Island that was
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: used by people to block a bridge project way back
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in the early nineteen nineties. How is it good enough
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: for the minister to say that she's been given this information,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: this culturally significant information, but she can't reveal it to anyone.
• 36:28
  Speaker 17: Look, that's exactly right, and it's her responsibility, I think
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: to give that information, hand that information over to the
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: Orange Aboriginal Land Council, who know they're the authoritative body
• 36:41
  Speaker 17: to do the checks and balances with regard to those probabilities.
• 36:46
  Speaker 17: And they've stated that there was as far as they're concerned,
• 36:51
  Speaker 17: there wasn't any cultural heritage concern around this particular site.
• 36:56
  Speaker 17: So yeah, I think it is absolutely the minister's responsiblit
• 37:00
  Speaker 17: given that she's taken advice from those who have put
• 37:04
  Speaker 17: the EDO. The Environmental Defender's Office well once again rears
• 37:07
  Speaker 17: its ugly head as behind this with the group of people.
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: And there's the person who's heading that group there claims
• 37:16
  Speaker 17: to be both Camillaroy and were Adori. That you know,
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: it's because of their reasons that she's gone ahead and
• 37:25
  Speaker 17: shut this mind down.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: This project look at such a problem.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: And as you know, with lots of mining projects, especially
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: in remote areas, there can be contested claims, different claims
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of sacredness if you like, from different Aboriginal groups, and
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: anthropologists and experts deal with all that, and mining companies
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: have to try and get their way through all that
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: sort of thing. But in this case that the Orange
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Land Council was happy with it. Now, I'm not going
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: to make any accusations in this case because there hasn't
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: been a proper inquiry. But what I've seen before, for
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: instance in High Marsh Island, is is it environmentalists and
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: local white people want to stop a development and then
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: they get to raise objections when they lose out on
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: environmental grounds, they talk to indigenous people about raising objections
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: and when they're all they were all satisfied.
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: Then at the.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Last straw they came up with some extra, some outsiders,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: some different Aboriginal cultural significance, and that was the secret
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: women's business that was fabricated and put up at Hey Presto.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: They got to ban the development. How do we know
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: what's gone in this case? Is it just the minister investigating,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: weighing up the claims of various groups and who else
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to stop this or should there be some official
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: legal entity that actually tests all the claims.
• 38:42
  Speaker 17: Well, if you're speaking about a special legal entity, that
• 38:46
  Speaker 17: legal entity is the Orange Aboriginal Land Council in this instance,
• 38:50
  Speaker 17: you know, And that is why these land councils have
• 38:54
  Speaker 17: been developed in the first place, is to find out
• 38:59
  Speaker 17: that level of information from the traditional owners of the area.
• 39:03
  Speaker 17: And as they keep saying, you know, I've heard royalc
• 39:06
  Speaker 17: say over again, there wasn't a problem with this. They
• 39:09
  Speaker 17: don't know who the woman is at the head of
• 39:12
  Speaker 17: all of this. In terms of the other corporation that
• 39:15
  Speaker 17: you know, anyone can create a corporation as well, but
• 39:19
  Speaker 17: it is the land councils that are the legal entity
• 39:22
  Speaker 17: that determine make these determinations.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: On behalf of traditional owners.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: So isn't it the case then that just the ministers
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: should say that the orange Land Council is.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: The appropriate body.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: We take their word for it that there are no
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: cultural heritage problems. The tailing dam can go ahead and
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: we'll dismiss these claims from this other small and really
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: in some ways unknown group.
• 39:47
  Speaker 17: Let's just say it's the Environmental Defender's Office. Let's just
• 39:50
  Speaker 17: say that, shall we, because that's who's behind it. That's
• 39:52
  Speaker 17: who was behind the shutting down of the Barossa project
• 39:55
  Speaker 17: up in the Northern Territory. They brought in you know,
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: traditional owners who weren't that were taken to the High Court.
• 40:03
  Speaker 17: They're found to exploit Indigenous people and they're doing it
• 40:07
  Speaker 17: once more. The Minister's fall she's either falling for them
• 40:10
  Speaker 17: or just using them as an excuse for this determination.
• 40:14
  Speaker 17: She's got it completely wrong, and so does the Prime Minister.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Let's face it, is this the weaponization of Aboriginal people
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and Aboriginal cultural heritage in order to achieve anti development
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: or environmental goals.
• 40:30
  Speaker 17: Absolutely, this is why we can't this. We're so landlocked
• 40:33
  Speaker 17: in this country. This is why we can't attract investment.
• 40:36
  Speaker 17: This is why places like the Northern Territory have got
• 40:39
  Speaker 17: the worst economy going in the country. You know, we've
• 40:43
  Speaker 17: got to have a we've got a process in place.
• 40:45
  Speaker 17: We even need an inquiry into how the process is
• 40:48
  Speaker 17: failing or how governments are working their way around it
• 40:52
  Speaker 17: or activists, environmental activists are doing all that they can
• 40:56
  Speaker 17: to shut down development in this country and pretty much
• 41:00
  Speaker 17: keeping the gap widened and ensuring that Indigenous Australians miss
• 41:04
  Speaker 17: out in the end when it comes to these projects.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Just into now. But jimber Price, thanks for joining us,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: so I appreciate it. We've got to take a break.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Coming up the Wednesday wrangle with Liz Staurra and Justin Smith. Well,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: let's get wrangling.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: With Liz staura from the late debate on the desk
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: key with me and in Melbourne we're joined by Justin Smith,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the man about town in Melbourne.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Let's go straight to Facebook.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Justin, are you horrified by Zuckerberg's confession that they were
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: censoring COVID information during the pandemic and perhaps even worse
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: that they wrongly censored the Hunter Biden laptop story in
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the lead up to the last presidential election.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not horrified.
• 41:51
  Speaker 18: I'm horrified at the notion of it, but I'm not
• 41:53
  Speaker 18: surprised in the slightest. I mean, we've we've had a
• 41:57
  Speaker 18: big question mark over the tech giants for a long time,
• 42:01
  Speaker 18: and no matter what side of the political divide you're on,
• 42:04
  Speaker 18: you know you should be incredibly worried. I think there's
• 42:07
  Speaker 18: two lessons in these confessions. Don't trust governments and don't
• 42:12
  Speaker 18: trust the big tech companies. I think it's absolutely appalling.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the trouble.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Don't trust governments, don't trust the tech giants.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: They're working hand in glove and they've misled.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Us over such important issues in America and in Australia
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: over these years.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: That's all they ever do.
• 42:30
  Speaker 19: Chris, I mean the fact that he has admitted to
• 42:35
  Speaker 19: violating the First Amendment in the clear light of day.
• 42:39
  Speaker 19: And this was done while he was being the Biden
• 42:42
  Speaker 19: administration's lackey. So let's be clear, this came from government.
• 42:47
  Speaker 19: The government itself was violating the First Amendment, using him
• 42:51
  Speaker 19: as a third party to do so. Now in this
• 42:54
  Speaker 19: letter he apologizes, he said it won't happen again. He's
• 42:58
  Speaker 19: a shamed that they didn't.
• 42:59
  Speaker 20: Push back at the time time, but this especially with
• 43:03
  Speaker 20: regard to the issue that he raised regarding the twenty
• 43:07
  Speaker 20: twenty election and the cover up of.
• 43:09
  Speaker 19: The laptop story. The FBI told us it was Russian disinformation,
• 43:13
  Speaker 19: so we were already on red alert. So when the
• 43:15
  Speaker 19: story came out, we censored it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: We regret it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 19: Now that has got to be classified as election interference.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: We would have made a material difference to the election.
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: Absolutely, and will never know how much of a material
• 43:28
  Speaker 19: difference it might have made.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Never. No.
• 43:32
  Speaker 19: Also, there's mentioning in the last paragraph of Zuckerberg's letter,
• 43:36
  Speaker 19: he mentions the contributions that he made at the election.
• 43:40
  Speaker 19: He was just trying to help out the four hundred
• 43:43
  Speaker 19: million dollars, and he says, well, now this has been
• 43:48
  Speaker 19: this has been seen by some as perhaps swinging people
• 43:51
  Speaker 19: in a certain direction. This is at a time also
• 43:56
  Speaker 19: that we've got the Telegram founder and enter end encryption
• 44:00
  Speaker 19: messaging service sitting in a French prison because the government's
• 44:05
  Speaker 19: jumping down his throat about certain activities that maybe happening
• 44:10
  Speaker 19: on his platform. Whereas Meta we played a segment on
• 44:13
  Speaker 19: our show just last night, Zuckerberg's platforms have had entire
• 44:18
  Speaker 19: news segments done on the child exportation going on on
• 44:23
  Speaker 19: the Facebook and his other We could go.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Down this reverend, We're off forever.
• 44:27
  Speaker 19: This guy doesn't get prosecuted in any way because he
• 44:30
  Speaker 19: is lacking.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Speaking of not getting prosecuted.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: What are most interested though, justin is the fact that
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: we had censorship in this country by our government. It
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: started under the Coalition in Scott Morrison, Labor under Albanezi
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: kept doing it. They paid our taxpayers money to censor
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: information about COVID from the Internet and from the social
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: media size. Now, some of the stuff they sent censored
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: was crackpot, but that's not the point.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: A lot of it was just truth trueatements about.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: How mass mandates were appalling and didn't work, how the
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: vaccine didn't stop you either contracting or transmitting the disease.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: That was truthful information that they were censoring. Yet there
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: seems to be no media or political interest in this
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: in Australia. It's a scandal.
• 45:18
  Speaker 18: Yeah, you're not looking it is a scandal. You're not
• 45:20
  Speaker 18: going to get a debate out of me. I mean,
• 45:21
  Speaker 18: the three of us are going to be infurious agreement
• 45:23
  Speaker 18: about this. I completely agree with you that should never
• 45:27
  Speaker 18: have ever happened. Now, if a lie is putting out,
• 45:31
  Speaker 18: it's put out. I mean, what you're talking about were
• 45:34
  Speaker 18: things that were a matter of opinion and later they
• 45:37
  Speaker 18: were either proved to be true or false, but they
• 45:40
  Speaker 18: weren't lies, you know. And for the government to be
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: deciding on what is dangerous and what is not dangerous,
• 45:46
  Speaker 18: I mean, both sides of politics have done some awful
• 45:49
  Speaker 18: things and kept its secret pink bats, robodeat, you know.
• 45:52
  Speaker 18: And this is just part of a.
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: Long line of it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 18: I shocking, It's absolutely outrageous.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Don't trust them now.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I just want to go to the protesters today and
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this list. The CFMAU protesters from
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: yesterday and the posters referring.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: To Albanisi as alban Nazi? Can you believe it?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: And dressing up as Hitler, and even one of the
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: union speakers having this to.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Say, no believe.
• 46:21
  Speaker 15: Nazi.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: The go people just reveal their true colors, right.
• 46:27
  Speaker 19: They really do. And these guys look for all the
• 46:30
  Speaker 19: world like the thugs that everyone knows that they are
• 46:34
  Speaker 19: talk about an organized crime syndicate. The way they have
• 46:37
  Speaker 19: taken to the streets, the way they have conducted themselves,
• 46:40
  Speaker 19: seen some of them screen down the microphone.
• 46:42
  Speaker 20: I thought they were about to have a.
• 46:44
  Speaker 19: Coronary arrest or something of the kind. But they're these big,
• 46:48
  Speaker 19: meaty thugs and they're screaming expletives into the and You're
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: just like, who who is getting behind your movement here?
• 46:55
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 46:55
  Speaker 19: I don't understand who you're trying to appei.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: You're a swaging No, there's nothing wrong with being big
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and meeting, but there is a problem with being a thugg.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Abusive quite right. And now I want to.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Go to US politics again because Kamala Harris has agreed to.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Do an interview.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: She's not done an interview at press conference or anything
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: since she became the candidate. But she's going to do
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: it with her vice presidential run days ago, Tim Waltz,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and she's going to do it the Friday, our time,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: with a friendly from CNN. I think justin she how
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: can she be the leader of the free world if
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: she can't handle a bit of scrutiny.
• 47:37
  Speaker 18: But hang on a second, I'm saying I'm not a
• 47:39
  Speaker 18: mouthpiece for her, but it's only been a couple of
• 47:41
  Speaker 18: days since she got the nomination, So look, I think
• 47:43
  Speaker 18: she should get I think she should.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: It's about a molutely. It's about a month since since
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden said he's out, and everyone.
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: We knew she's not going to stick up for any
• 47:57
  Speaker 18: politician here. I would love to see her, love to
• 48:00
  Speaker 18: see her do interviews. I'd love to see her do
• 48:02
  Speaker 18: some really hard interviews with people that her so right.
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: So because I test it out, I don't want to
• 48:09
  Speaker 18: see you get soft interviews.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: If she does an interview, maybe she will hear something.
• 48:12
  Speaker 21: Like this, I can imagine what can be and be
• 48:17
  Speaker 21: unburdened by what has been. You know, what can be
• 48:21
  Speaker 21: unburdened by what has been? What can be unburdened by
• 48:27
  Speaker 21: what has been?
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I hope she drops that one into the interview, no
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: matter who doesn't.
• 48:33
  Speaker 20: I have no doubt.
• 48:33
  Speaker 19: That's pretty much the only line's got all the same one.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Well, unburdened by what's been.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: We have to get ready for what's next to come,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: which is Peter Gridlin. So thanks for wrangling Liz and Justin.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: We'll catch you next week. Here's Peter Credlin right now