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Best of Chuck & Buck 11-13 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Forty thousand channing MVP climb on un Chatterer couns ten sixty.
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  Speaker 2: Home runs your MVP moment, cha.
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  Speaker 3: RM, Well, I don't know if any.
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  Speaker 4: Player topic was more discussed during the course of the
• 0:39
  Speaker 4: Major League Baseball season then who should win MVP. It
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  Speaker 4: became pretty clear probably around the All Star break that
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  Speaker 4: it was going to come down to Cal Raleigh of
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  Speaker 4: the Seattle Mariners and Aaron Judge of.
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  Speaker 3: The mighty New York Yankees.
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  Speaker 4: And that conversation was held throughout the second half of
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  Speaker 4: the season. And it's been talked about so much that
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  Speaker 4: it's almost like two political parties at this point. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's the Catcher party and the whistle teeth party, because
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's people have certainly chosen their guy.
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  Speaker 3: You're not really hearing a lot of you.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm still on the fence because it's been
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  Speaker 4: discussed so much by now you if you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you have the ability to draw an opinion at all,
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  Speaker 4: you should have probably reached your opinion as to who
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  Speaker 4: you think is going to win the Most Valuable Player award.
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  Speaker 4: But the announcement's going to be made tonight. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 4: can't wait to hear the result. We want to finally
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  Speaker 4: have an answer to this question. I do know that
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be tight. I do know i'd vote
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  Speaker 4: for Cal, and I do believe Aaron Judge is probably
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  Speaker 4: going to win it, just based off of the conversations
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  Speaker 4: I've heard on MLB Network across their panel a lot
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  Speaker 4: of different sports writers Bucky that are tied in to
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  Speaker 4: a lot of other sports writers and feel like they've
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  Speaker 4: got their finger on the pulse more so than I do.
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  Speaker 4: But I think there's certainly a chance that I can
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  Speaker 4: be pleasantly surprised. Cal's definitely got a chance to be
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  Speaker 4: crowned MVP tonight. A good chance, Yeah, it does, and
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  Speaker 4: rightfully so. I mean, I mean, I don't think it should.
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  Speaker 5: Be really as big of a debate. It's a wonderful debate,
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  Speaker 5: and I mean, one thing I want to make perfectly
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  Speaker 5: clear is when I'm saying I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 5: it should be close. In my opinion, it's not close.
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  Speaker 5: That's not taken away from Judge at all. Judge is spectacular.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Judge is unbelievable, but it's the idea of
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  Speaker 5: to me, there's just a there's a bit of a
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  Speaker 5: short sightedness or there's a there's parts of the numbers
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  Speaker 5: that that people will look into that just plain and
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  Speaker 5: simple can't tell the truth and the whole truth and
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  Speaker 5: nothing but the truth. You know, are you gonna go
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  Speaker 5: with judges steady, brilliance and amazing I mean, absolute, out
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  Speaker 5: of this world VB MVP caliber without a doubt offensive numbers?
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  Speaker 5: And then there's some people or the cal Rawley's you know,
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  Speaker 5: his power surge, and it's like, but that doesn't that
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  Speaker 5: a statement like that doesn't even come close to telling
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  Speaker 5: the whole truth. It just doesn't to me. Cal Rawley's
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  Speaker 5: home runs are impressive, and yes, should be recognized for
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  Speaker 5: doing what he did that no catcher's ever done and
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  Speaker 5: no switch hitters ever done. That's saying something right, But
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  Speaker 5: at the same time, it's that's just a piece of it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean just a piece, And I mean I ended
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  Speaker 5: up spending time last night looking into a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: different stuff that they're saying. The voters are going to
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  Speaker 5: go into different saber metrics that you know, dial in
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  Speaker 5: your you know, most of these offensive saber metrics are
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  Speaker 5: going to be advantage judge, and understandably, so I mean
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  Speaker 5: they hit three thirty and you know, drove in a
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  Speaker 5: ton of runs. And still it's not like he hit
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  Speaker 5: twenty homers and you're comparing them agains. Somebody hit sixty.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he still hit a ton of home runs
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  Speaker 5: and drove in a bunch of guys. I mean, he
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  Speaker 5: did unbelievably. It's he's definitely the more feared hitter at
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  Speaker 5: the plate. It's just a most valuable player to me.
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  Speaker 5: When they start looking into things, you're fielding runs or
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  Speaker 5: whatever that what is it called the fielding runs average
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  Speaker 5: or how many runs you save a game compared to
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  Speaker 5: someone else, and it has because Aaron Judge is pretty
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  Speaker 5: good in right field. Typically, it hasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Made use last year because he played d H a
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  Speaker 3: lot because of his injury.
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  Speaker 5: But the numbers toill come out that he was a
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  Speaker 5: four and that Calroy was a five. It's like, no, no, sorry,
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  Speaker 5: they're not even close to one run difference over the
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  Speaker 5: course of a full season of how much they helped
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  Speaker 5: their team when they're on the defensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 5: And so it just there's a lot of it that
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  Speaker 5: I think just gets to some degree overlooked how difficult
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  Speaker 5: that position is. All of the things that you can't
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  Speaker 5: put a number on, well, how you call a game
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  Speaker 5: and all that stuff. You can't put a number on that,
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  Speaker 5: And so to me, it's it shouldn't even be close.
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  Speaker 5: Even though what Aaron Judge did that he needs to
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  Speaker 5: be in any conversation about most valuable player period.
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  Speaker 3: Well, without a shadow of a doubt.
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  Speaker 4: There are things Cal Rawley does that they can't put
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  Speaker 4: a number on, like, for example, how he affects every
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  Speaker 4: single pitch thrown by the Mariner's pitching staff. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he pretty much makes every decision on which pitch everybody
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  Speaker 4: throws d throughout the course of the season. The leadership
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  Speaker 4: that he brings, and Aaron Judge brings just as much leadership,
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  Speaker 4: so we can make that clear. But but they don't
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  Speaker 4: have a stat that can quantify how much value Cal's
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  Speaker 4: knowledge of other hitters behind the plate brings to the table.
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  Speaker 4: So literally, they can't calculate Cal's value defensively to Aaron Judge.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have a number as many stats as they've
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  Speaker 4: come up with. They don't have a stat to figure
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  Speaker 4: out just how much he's helping his pitchers get through
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  Speaker 4: hitters on a daily basis. But I do think that
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  Speaker 4: it is very close. I mean, Aaron Judge has two
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  Speaker 4: hundred plus points in OPS over cal and that's after
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  Speaker 4: a sixty home run season. For goodness sake, he has
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  Speaker 4: a two point fifteen OPS plus. That's one of the
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  Speaker 4: greatest numbers in the history of the sport offensively, even war,
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  Speaker 4: which is supposed to factor in everything. Aarons is nine
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  Speaker 4: point seven, Cols is seven point four. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 4: kasmic that gap. But as you said, there are some
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  Speaker 4: things that those numbers just can't calculate. In regards to
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  Speaker 4: cal Raley's value, I do definitively think cal Raley is
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  Speaker 4: going to win the should win the MVP, but I
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  Speaker 4: do think it's very close. I likened it to a
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  Speaker 4: sprint yesterday. That's a mistake baseball season, everybody tells you.
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  Speaker 4: As a marathon, I mean, you can definitively win a
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  Speaker 4: marathon by fifteen yards and.
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  Speaker 3: That's still a very close race. You know, after.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty six miles of competing, you know, one one in Seattle,
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  Speaker 4: one in New York. That's still a very close marathon
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  Speaker 4: if it comes down to fifteen meters after you ran
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  Speaker 4: twenty six miles and That's what I'd like in it too.
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  Speaker 6: Ashley, Yeah, no, I would agree, And I do think obviously,
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  Speaker 6: as Bucky said, you know, one doesn't take away from
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  Speaker 6: the other. Right, saying that you think Cal deserves it
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  Speaker 6: over Judge or should win it over Judge or vice versa,
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  Speaker 6: isn't taking away from the phenomenal performance that both of
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  Speaker 6: these guys had this season.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think only one can win the trophy.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we think, right, that's true.
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  Speaker 3: It is especially right.
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  Speaker 7: He's like, let's go co that's my job, my thought.
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  Speaker 6: But I just think, yeah, as you guys were saying,
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  Speaker 6: there's so many things that Cal does with every single
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  Speaker 6: aspect of the game versus what Judge is doing, not
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  Speaker 6: with every single aspect of the game, And those are
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  Speaker 6: the things that push him over the top and should
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  Speaker 6: push him over the top in most people's opinion, because
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  Speaker 6: just because it's not something you can look at in
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  Speaker 6: a stat call him on you know, ESPN dot Com,
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  Speaker 6: doesn't mean that those things aren't equally as large of
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  Speaker 6: a factor in every single game. And on top of it,
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  Speaker 6: the where and Terry's putting on his body on every
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  Speaker 6: single game.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean still hitting, he's playing a more demanding
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  Speaker 5: position and was still posting every single day in the lineup,
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  Speaker 5: whereas Aaron Judge had an injury. Not that to fault
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  Speaker 5: him for it, but you weren't as really, you weren't
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  Speaker 5: as as available as the dude that plays a position
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  Speaker 5: that takes foul balls and has.
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  Speaker 3: To block our fastball. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And it's not the most offensive player award. It is
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  Speaker 6: the most valuable player award, And to a t to
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  Speaker 6: his team, Cal was a I think, far more valuable player,
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  Speaker 6: far more.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's I'm glad we're going to get
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  Speaker 5: to talk about it more. And I'm sure we'll talk
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  Speaker 5: about it tomorrow more tomorrow, you know, once we find
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  Speaker 5: out the results of it. I know it's close, and
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  Speaker 5: I understand why because of how outstanding Judges offensive season one.
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  Speaker 5: It just is when you take if it was like
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  Speaker 5: you said, if you take it as the most outstanding
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  Speaker 5: guy that walks into a batter's box, then it's Aaron Judge,
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  Speaker 5: even though he didn't hit as many home runs and
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  Speaker 5: didn't drive in as many runs, even though he didn't
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  Speaker 5: do a couple things as well as Cal didn't do
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  Speaker 5: put up the same offensive season that he did. It
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  Speaker 5: just is not even a contest when you come to
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  Speaker 5: comparing the other two, the other side of the equation
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  Speaker 5: and then the third side, if you want to call
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  Speaker 5: it that, which is the stuff you're talking about that
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  Speaker 5: you can't put a number on the amount of effort
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  Speaker 5: he puts into calling games, helping his pitchers set up
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  Speaker 5: game plans before games, the beating that he takes. There's
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  Speaker 5: just there's just not a when you're talking about strictly
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  Speaker 5: value across the board, one is more valuable than the other.
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  Speaker 3: And that's cal Rawley.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we'll talk more about a little bit later
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  Speaker 4: Brian Schottenheimer yesterday, there was a little bit more to it,
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  Speaker 3: Our guy David Soft.
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  Speaker 9: Joined the buckets of rain that are coming down outside
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  Speaker 9: my house right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think you're gonna be talking about cal
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  Speaker 4: Raley MVP tonight?
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  Speaker 10: We talked about that yesterday.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I have said for the last month and
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  Speaker 9: a half I think he's gonna win it, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 9: I think he's gonna win it, you know, But nobody
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  Speaker 9: can be surprised or angry, I think on either side, right.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, if you're a Yankee fan, you're pulling for Judge.
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  Speaker 9: You're a Mariner fan, you're pulling for cal Raley. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: I don't think any fan base can be pissed off
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  Speaker 9: if their guy didn't win. I mean, for us from
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  Speaker 9: our perspective, if caw doesn't get it done. Look, man,
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  Speaker 9: Aaron Judge, I had an OPS two hundred points higher
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  Speaker 9: than Cal. He had like thirty seven extra hits in
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  Speaker 9: seven less games than cal Rawley did. Obviously, he's a
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  Speaker 9: much more well rounded I think you guys would agree
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  Speaker 9: with that offensive player. But when you factor in the
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  Speaker 9: defense and the impact that cal Rawley had on the
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  Speaker 9: sport and in his clubhouse, I don't know. I've just
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  Speaker 9: had a funny feeling since the middle of September that
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  Speaker 9: Cal is gonna win it, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 9: I've heard anything from any potential voters that's made me
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  Speaker 9: change my mind since the end of the regular season.
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  Speaker 9: What do you think I mean if I if I
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  Speaker 9: told you pick the winner of the MVP tonight, guys,
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  Speaker 9: and if you're wrong, you're going to sleep on the
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  Speaker 9: sidewalk for a week.
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  Speaker 10: Who do you take?
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  Speaker 4: I would pick Cal to win it, but I think
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  Speaker 4: Aaron's going to edge him out slightly.
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  Speaker 3: That's my that's my feeling.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, which is again, I'm not going to throw
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  Speaker 9: a fit if that happens, right Like, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 9: prepre myself and prepare everybody that if Aaron Judge wins,
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  Speaker 9: it's not some I don't think it's some highway criminal robbery.
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  Speaker 9: If Aaron Judge wins the MVP, I mean he's in
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  Speaker 9: I'm laevable player, and the the MVP is supposed to
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  Speaker 9: go to the best player in baseball, regardless of where
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  Speaker 9: their team finished. I think a lot of people would
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  Speaker 9: agree with that it's the best player. I mean, you
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  Speaker 9: and I are old enough to remember when Andre Dawson
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  Speaker 9: won the MVP on the last place Cubs team forty
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  Speaker 9: years ago, right in eighty seven the Hawk.
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  Speaker 10: He was amazing, man. So hey, look I get it.
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  Speaker 9: You know, maybe there's some Yankee fatigue that will help
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  Speaker 9: out Cal.
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  Speaker 10: But I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 9: We've been talking about this for a while in the
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  Speaker 9: year with the Heisman, and maybe it's tend to do
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  Speaker 9: a baseball with how many teams are making the playoffs, guys,
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  Speaker 9: that maybe we should start including the postseason when it
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  Speaker 9: comes to voting for the MVP as well.
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  Speaker 4: You're taking a little level out an approach. Ashley and
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  Speaker 4: Bucky both threatened to kidnap Aaron Boone and hold him
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  Speaker 4: for ransom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Cal doesn't win, it.
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  Speaker 9: Just goes to show you how wacko those people are.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, let's be honest.
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  Speaker 7: There are other things, but I'm not allowed to say that.
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  Speaker 9: Actually has got a lot of I mean, the engine
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  Speaker 9: is running, but there's nobody behind the wheel.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, just be honest.
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  Speaker 3: A couple wacko nut Johns.
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  Speaker 7: You're not the first person to say that.
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  Speaker 3: What I got to deal with every day, there's not
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  Speaker 3: from Mark.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, Oh, there's not a lot of time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: there's there's not a lot of times that I'll get
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  Speaker 5: super frustrated, especially about something like this that really is
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  Speaker 5: neither here nor there. I mean, it'd be nice to
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  Speaker 5: win an MVP, but yeah, I think Cal would rather
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  Speaker 5: If you asked Cal, hey, would you rather win a
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  Speaker 5: World Series and not win the MVP or not win
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  Speaker 5: the World Series and but you get that trophy, he
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't even be close. So totally it's but I yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if I want to sleep on the sidewalk,
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  Speaker 5: but I might be stomping up and down some sidewalks.
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  Speaker 9: Interesting, mad, Yeah, I mean, look, the guy's a stud man,
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  Speaker 9: no doubt. I mean, you know the uh amount of
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  Speaker 9: time he spent behind the dish. I mean he's the
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  Speaker 9: captain of the team. I mean, you guys, I've told
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  Speaker 9: you guys the exact moment in time that I fell
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  Speaker 9: in love with Cal Rowley is when he called out
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  Speaker 9: the baseball team when they missed the playoffs in twenty three.
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  Speaker 9: Scott Service told him to calm down. That's the exact
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  Speaker 9: day that Scott's Service lost me. In the exact day
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  Speaker 9: I turned a a I over to cal Remember the
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  Speaker 9: movie The Natural when Roy Hobbs struck out the Whammer
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  Speaker 9: and Barbara Hershey went from stocking the Whammer to stocking
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  Speaker 9: Roy Hobbs. Yeah, at that exact second, that was you.
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  Speaker 9: That's that was me, man, I was I was Barbara
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: Hershey when I could not believe it. Yeah, could not, Bucky.
• 17:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, you played the game. Can you imagine a
• 17:19
  Speaker 9: former catcher as this guy's manager and he's showing all
• 17:22
  Speaker 9: that emotion, all that passion after missing the playoffs. He's
• 17:25
  Speaker 9: pissed off, he's angry, and his manager tells him to
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: control himself, get out of here.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because that manager was best buddies with the
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: guy he was calling out. And now, I bet if
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: you asked Scott's Service, do you regret that now? He's like, no,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: I was thinking the same damn thing.
• 17:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I just was my blood still to this day.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I just want to point out, by the way, to
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: our listeners and maybe to you, maybe you need to
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: hear this. You do know, Barbara Hershey ended up shooting
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Roy Hobbs.
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: Yes, okay at all? Yeah, unless Cay Rowley wants to
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: take like twenty years off and then come back and
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: play at the age of forty five with the bull
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: has got a game winning home run to put the
• 18:02
  Speaker 9: M's in the World Series.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: No, we got to win the World Series. That would
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: be incredible.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, all right, Well, uh, let me ask you,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: since Bucky's already thinking about stomping up and down the sidewalks,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: were you were you stomping up and down the sidewalks
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: when I lumped you into my little lesson in how
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: you can't go by head to head so heavily in
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: college football playoff basketball.
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: I mean, I gotta be honest with you, and I
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: don't know how else to say it, so I'll just
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: say it. Your argument that you had yesterday for people
• 18:30
  Speaker 9: that are mad about you can't just go head to
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: head and all that stuff. I've never said that on
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: the air like ever, so I don't even know where
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: that came from.
• 18:39
  Speaker 10: No, you said it.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: We were talking and you were like, you couldn't believe
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago the one team wasn't rated
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: when they beat them head down.
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: I got, I've got problems with the pull overall, okay,
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: But to just go strictly on head to head dot
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: down the.
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: Top twenty five, I totally agree with that shot.
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: I mean, just because you beat one team doesn't mean
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: you got a better overall resume than that team. You
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: should apology. Yeah, I spent the entire night just stewing. Man,
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: I was mean to my wife, I was impatient with
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: my dogs. I hung up the phone on my mom.
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: The dogs terrible mood because of your ridiculous cockamami accusation
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: from yesterday's show.
• 19:17
  Speaker 10: But here's my problem with the poll.
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: My problem really is with the ap poll and not
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: even the CFP, to be totally honest with you. First
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: of all, I find it ridiculous that teams are getting
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: rewarded with head starts during the preseason for things they
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: haven't earned yet.
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: Like I'll give you an example.
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: Notre Dame has one win over a top twenty five
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: team in USC They're number nine in the country right now.
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: You know why because they began the year at number six.
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: How about the Iowa Hawk guys, the Iowahaw guys. You
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: saw this, Bucky, They pushed your ducks to the limit,
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: baby on Saturday in Iowa City. They're six and three.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: They got three losses by ten points combined to Indiana
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: Oregon in Iowa State. They're not even ranked in the
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: AP Pole anymore. You know why, partially because they began
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: the year at number five, forty four in the country.
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: Tennessee began the year in the top twenty five. They're
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: six and three. They've beaten nobody, and they're still in
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: the top twenty five. So I think these teams that
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: get these head starts over the offseason, I think it's ridiculous.
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: I'm glad the AP Pole doesn't play any role whatsoever
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: in selecting these teams, unless, like me, you're a little
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: bit convinced and maybe concerned that the committee is slightly
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: influenced by the eight peopole when they make their initial selections,
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: which I think they possibly are influenced by the AP Pole,
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: and I don't think they should be whatsoever. So look,
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: the AP Pole is never going away. It's a third
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: party entity. They make many off it. It's a great
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: news organization, as John Wilner has said over and over again.
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: But the only freaking poll that matters is the one
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: that came out last week for the first time, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: that's the c IF popole.
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: The APO pole, in my opinion, needs to die. That's it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I'm with you, I'm with you. That's you just kind
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: of put it the way. That's one frustrating to me.
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: One more? Can I add one more?
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: Please?
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: How in the hell do you guys beat Iowa and
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: then flip spots with Ole Miss who beat the Citadel?
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: They didn't flip spots. All Miss was in the AP
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: poes again.
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: In the AP pole, they absolutely flip spots, which is why, like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: what are we doing?
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: Why do we even bother with the A P Pole?
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: I mean, guys, how often do you look at the
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: coaches poll these days?
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: Never? Right?
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: Ever, that's the way the AP polls gotta go the
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: way the coaches pull right down the toilet.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: So you don't want any polls at all during the regulation.
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: Only poll that I want, the only poll that I want,
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: is the CEFP poll that comes out in the early
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: part of November.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: That's where I completely disagree. That's why I like the polls.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I like the numbers, and I like the conversation around
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: the numbers. Do you have a problem with them?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Great, But I.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Think we need the numbers. I think we would miss
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: the numbers if we didn't have that. I think you
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: would miss the numbers.
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: I think a lot of people would agree with you.
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: But I also think you're smart enough to know who's
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: good and who's not. And again, I think in the NFL,
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: for example, we don't need preseason rankings to tell us
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: who's good and who's bad. In the NFL, we watched
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: the sport because we love the sport, and I agree
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: with you initially, Chuck, it would be odd because it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: all we know. But eventually they go away, and the
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: only poll you have is the one that comes out
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: in the second week in November.
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: You'd get used to it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: The Dogs did not remain ranked for very long. What
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: the hell happened in Madison?
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: Disgrace, disgrace. They they gave it away everything Wisconsin had.
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: They gave it away three scoring drives that all began
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: inside the Husky fifty yard line. Thought the defense was
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: actually pretty damn good man. I mean, the defense gave
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: up the one touchdown when Wisconsin got the ball on
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: the seven yard line and they couldn't stop him from
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: getting out of the end zone. Bad special teams punting
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: was terrible. Some of the decisions by Demon Williams. And
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: there's a reason for it. He's nineteen years old. He
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: hasn't figured out the road thing yet. We're terrible. The
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: interception to des Roebuck, it was obvious that that annoyed
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: the coaching staff. That's a mistake he can't make. Throwing
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: that ball down the field third and twelve, scrambling, turning
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: his back away from the defense and dropping the pill.
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: You want to go down and just go down and
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: punt and live to see another day. But you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: this offense for me, and I'll just say this, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: think they're a bit of a paper tiger, right.
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know what else to say.
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: Like some of the numbers look great, you know, overall,
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: but then you look at the way they've played on
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: the road at Michigan and at Wisconsin for an entire
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: half against Maryland Ohio State. I mean, if they're really
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: one of the elite offenses in football, they're not going
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: to play four games like that where they just get
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: totally shut down, totally shut down by the opponent. You know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: maybe it happens once and you play the number one
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: team in the country, Okay, whatever, you can excuse it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: But this is now three or four.
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: Times, guys, where their offense hasn't even shown up in
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: a game. And that's not the mark of an elite offense.
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: So I don't even really care what the numbers say
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: overall nationally, guys. I just think that they're they're kind
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: of a paper tiger. And when it comes to how
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: elite people really think they.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Are, Yeah, I'm with you. I thought, I know you
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: agree with that book.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean I don't have the disdain that
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: most Duck fans do for UW.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: You know that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: And so to me, it was just I thought it
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: was preemptive. I thought that there was a wow, number
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: one offense in the country, and it's like, but they
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: there's things that I think are going to come back
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: to haunt them. And this week, this past weekend, was
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: one of those games. So, I mean, Demon Williams, We've
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: talked a lot about him. He's unbelievably explosive and fantastic
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: to watch when things are clicking, But what is it
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: when you're watching him right now? Because if if it
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: is a paper tiger, at times it looks like a tiger,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: and other times it looks very paperish, paper mache ish,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: And so I'm wondering, what is it that you think
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: most he needs to grow up with.
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: I think they're putting way too much on his plate period,
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: end of story. I think he's a nineteen year old quarterback,
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: and I think they're putting way too much on his shoulders.
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: They don't have a running game right now at all.
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: They have no consistent wide receiver even really behind Denzel Boston,
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: and Denzel Boston's been up and down himself at times
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: this year. They're relying on a ton of freshmen Desmond Roebuck,
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: Raden Vines Bright, for example. They have no tight end
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: at all, none, no pass catching tight end on this
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: football team whatsoever. Their offensive line obviously has been banged up,
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: and that's certainly a part of it. But I just
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: think the identity of the football team, the responsibility to
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: move the ball and score points, falls on the shoulders
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: of a nineteen year old kid.
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: I think it's too much they're just putting too much
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: on his plate.
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: Like, go back and look at the twenty twelve Seahawks,
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: for example, when Russell Wilson was a rookie, he had
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: the league's highest paid offensive line. He had Marshawn Lynch,
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: Michael Robinson, Sydney Rice, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, and Zach Miller.
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: He did not have to do anything.
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: I mean, obviously he played great, but he had an
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: incredible supporting cast. And I understand Bucky why that is
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: at Washington because the roster two years ago got blown
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: bits when Kitlyn Demore took off for Alabama, and there
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: just hasn't been enough time, I think, to rebuild the
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: offense to give a quarterback those types of pieces yet. Right,
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: Let's see what happens a year or two years from now.
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: But just overall, I think they're putting way, way, way
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: too much of the responsibility on the shoulders of a
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: nineteen year old kid.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna just skip Perdue entirely this week because I've
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: been wanting to ask you this all week long and
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I only got like a minute and a half.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: If that is Chris Peterson done done? Yeah, he has done.
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd be very surprised if he came back to
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: coach college football.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: If he hadn't removed himself for four years just to
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: kind of gauge how nil was gonna work, and then Okay,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I think I can manage it now.
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: You never say never, right, But I mean I was
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: just talking to him like three weeks ago, and he's
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: doing other stuff, right, And I think I'd be less
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: surprised if Nick Saban came back. I mean, Nick Saban
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: honestly has stayed way more involved in college football, as
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: you know, than Chris Peterson has. So I'd be fairly
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: surprised if Pete got back in the game.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Ok.
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: Why you want to bring him back?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: I mean just saw this fish talk this week and
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like, uh, well, why steal somebody else when we've
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: got somebody right here.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: He seems like the kind of guy that maybe he
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: would come back on an interim basis if something happened
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: in the middle of the year or late in the
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: game over the offseason, Like God, was it Barry Alvarez
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: that went back to Wisconsin to be like their interim
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: ad Remember that for a while, I think.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: He was their ad for a long time. I think
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: he was their AD and then became the interim head coach.
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: Okay a little.
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: While, Yeah, something along those lines. But you know what
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: I'm talking about. Like we've seen you know, names, name
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: coaches come back. Name AD's come back and see I'll
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: help you out for a while, maybe do something like that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: But I'd be pretty surprised if he came back.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: For good to know, good to know.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: All right, you the man, thank you very much. We
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: appreciate anything. I need to plug this quickly.
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: Let's say we're at the five twenty Mike, call him
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: Grin Rick new heisl today David Sampson.
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: You guys know Dave the former is the Marlins.
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: He'll join us in the five o'clock hour and by
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: then we'll well, no, no, if it's Kyle Rawley or
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: Aaron Judge. So that should be announced around four o'clock
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: this afternoon.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: All right, saleo to the wife and dogs. Okay, guys,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: all right, see see.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: David Softy mall that joining us right here on Chugging
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Buck in the morning's coming up next Factor Fiction at
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: seven thirty five.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: And here's another thing, a new wrinkle to.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: The old ram Seahawks rivalry and I'm not sure everybody's
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: aware is going to exist this Sunday, but it will.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, the most important
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: roundtable of our lives is coming your way at eight o'clock. Yes,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: those two guys are gonna join us to talk about
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks and Rams. I'm sure we've had a bigger,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: more impactful playoff round table in the past with these guys,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: but I'm a prisoner of the moment. Oh okay, this
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: feels like the most important thing right now, Okay, right now,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: all right, I agree, But because.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: You made me more nervous than normal, I get really
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: nervous talking to these two. And then when you throw
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: that on top of it, Yeah, I'm like what, I'm sure.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: We did a playoff round table at one point, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: it does right now.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: All that matters is the Rams. That's just how I operate.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good for you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think about things in the past can
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: change it, That's right, It's just whatever is in front
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: of me, and I just.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Put everything into it. Good for you, so good, So Greg, Hugh.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I think they feel the same way.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I think Hugh was just chewing on glass this morning,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: getting ready for his his analysis today, Greg Bell breaking
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: through walls.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You know, Greg is Yeah, so not calm at all. Cold,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: not a head cold could keep that guy down.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: So eight to nine, we'll have them join us to
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: talk to Seahawks Rams for one entire hour, all right,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: in the meantime, I mean, yes, we're getting ready for
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: this game. This has been on my mind a little bit,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: and I don't even know. I mean, I've been looking
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: it up, and you find different information everywhere. But for
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, I don't know why this is happening
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: everywhere I look, Aaron Donald keeps popping up. And Aaron
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Donald looks as good physically as he ever has in
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: his entire life. Like he looks like he could put
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: on a uniform and be a pro bowler Sunday if
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: he wanted to. That's how good he looks. I mean,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: he retired very early after years of dominating this he Hawks.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: You want to shake up the rivalry. I think he
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: has been retired longer than his contract with the Rams.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Let's go get him. Yeah, my kid, try to kidnap him.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Let's go sign him. Let's go make an offer. He
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: can't refuse. Let's go get Aaron Donald. Let's up this rivalry.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: And I mean, like before Sunday.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: Let's watch him wreck their crap.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Now that's silly.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I mean obviously can't, but honestly, like he I know
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: he keeps saying over and over and over he's not
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: going to play again. Why is he working out so
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: damn hard? Why is he suddenly going to football games?
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Why is he suddenly going on ANFL podcast? Maybe he's
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: got the itch to play again. And I think, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know this for a fact, there's various things,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: different reports about how these contracts work. But I think
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: once he's been retired longer than his contract was with
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: the team he left, he is a free agent and
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: he can sign with any team now maybe not, maybe
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: only the Rams who he could come back to. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: my guess is that he probably would if he did
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: come back from retirement. I don't think he left on
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: bad terms with the Rams. I think he still lives
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. He'd probably suit up for the Rams.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: So I don't want to put any thoughts in his
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: head because I don't want him suiting up for the
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Rams this year. But this is somebody that I'm telling you,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: within two weeks is playing Pro Bowl caliber defensive line.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: So let's go get him. Let's really pull a fast
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: one on the old Rams. Let's shake up this rivalry.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Come on, John, you got a silver tongue. Come on,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald, you got the best defensive mind and all
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: of football. Imagine what Aaron, what you could convince you
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: could do with Aaron Donald. Come on, Seattle, you know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: let's let's all join together and sing a song at
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: the holiday time to make a miracle happen. Let's hat
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Aaron Donald suit up for the Seahawks before the season
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: comes to it today.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Everybody would shake it up.
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: And he is a free agent as of twenty twenty four.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I read that too, but I've also read that
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the I don't know. You might be right, you might
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: be wrong.
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I've read different things this morning.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what the contract thing. I
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: don't know if that would matter. My first wrestlers.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And he came back like with a mask on Andre
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the Giant.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Basically and came to the sea the Rams anyway, he
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: wrote to us, But he wore like a mask or
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: like Hulk Cogan.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Did he just you know, you know, dyed his goatee,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: you know, came back as a different wrestler, right right, Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Just he could do that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, I suppose, I think, because boy, that would
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: shake it up. That would be unbelievable, I think at
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: this point. Yeah, I think it would be really very
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: bright on his part, and I think he is pretty
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: bright to just be like, yeah, I kind of wanted
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: to step away, just take care of my body, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: now I just like he's a different breed.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Obviously.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Michael Jordan stepped away twice. Michael Jordan stepped away twice
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: and was so desperate to get back to the competitive
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: spirit that he played for the Wizards for goodness sake.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, boxer retire thirteen times because they think they're
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: ready and then all of a sudden one day they're like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I can't replace the high of playing, of fighting somebody
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: or playing football or whatever the case. Plenty of people
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: have come out of retirement that are a lot worse
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: shape than Aaron Donald looks like right now, he looks
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: like he's preparing to play football.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Mm. Yeah, well he's He's a lot closer to it
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: than most people. Right after the retire half the football
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: players like shrink. They just turn in like what you
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: were an offensive lineman. You're not even You're.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Like a shadow of yourself.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: I think he probably would be like, yeah, I'll come
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: back and be a Ram again.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: And so I don't even know if you like putting
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: this out in the universe.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Here's the thing is that he has repeatedly said his
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: passion for the game is gone. So I blame the
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Rams for that. So if I'm him, I'm not going
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: to go sign with the team that made me lose
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: my passion for the game. I need to play for
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: a new team and then kindle.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: That's a phenomenal point. I think he lost his passion
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: because it was like too easy.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: No, I think it was crap. Every single year.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: You can reckon the same people's crap. I got to
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: turn it around and wreck the Rams crap. That'll be
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: the full circle.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: You know what.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take this further. Ashley has inspired me.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: We're going to sign Aaron Donald. As a matter of fact,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: play the breaking news. It's just breaking news audio areas.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I got news.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Just this and not kJ R is ready to announce that.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know when, or how or what's going to happen,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: but it is unofficially official. Aaron Donald is a Seahawks
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: very unofficially.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, let's focus on the unofficially.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Unofficially unofficial lead.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: He's signing with the Seahawks right as we speak.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: It makes, oh boy, a very little amount of sense.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to help our defense.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes a ton of sense if you're a
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Seahawks fit. It makes no sense for any other person involved.
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: I love it, though, Let's do it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I can't believe we got Aaron Donald today.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: I can't believe this is just happening right now as
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: we speak.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Can't believe he's a Seahawks. This is awesome. I'm getting
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: a jersey round table next on kJ ART. All right,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: good morning to you.
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: It is a.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Thursday, it is eight o'clock. It is time to assemble
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: the top analysts in town. Are Insider. Greg Bell is
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: here r QB one, Hugh Millan is here, Ashley Bucky
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Chuck with you, twelve man round table time. And it
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: is the biggest game yet of the season for the
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks. We're getting ready to chop it up for
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: an hour here with Greg and Hugh and I just
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: want to start by apologizing to Greg. I stepped on
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: your toes a little bit. I just broke some news.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I know this is your area, but I am announcing
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: that the Seahawks are going to sign Aaron Donald. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: just decided to do it. I don't have any information
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: you all, but I just decided i'd do it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I think use him.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I think he'd be a nice help. He's in good shape. Yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: he's still in great shape. But I think that he
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: hates the Rams now. I think that he'd likes to
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: play for a defensive coach and not one of them
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: stilly offensive coaches for once.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Uh So, anyway, I'm throwing it out there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: We're signing Aaron Donald. So anyway, may want to do some,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: may want to do some.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm supposed to go follow the lead on.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll leave some bread crumbs for you. You follow him,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: you do the rest. Okay, Uh, I've heard worse.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: All right, Well let's get it started.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Man, What a game, what a matchup we've got on Sunday?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: And uh and Hugh, I mean I could tell on
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Monday you couldn't wait to start talking about these two
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: coaches going head to head, these minds getting ready to meet,
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: and so here we are on Thursday. There's no I
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: don't even know if we played a game this past week.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: All I'm focused on is the Rams. So McDonald versus McVeigh,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: How excited are you to watch this chess match?
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Couldn't be more excited?
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: I just get echo, yes, but I couldn't be upside
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: And so you just look at it's not just the
• 38:11
  Speaker 11: coaching matchup. I even go as so far as Lesnie
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: the GM versus John Schneider and some of the decisions
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: they've made. But but with you know, and and Sam Donold,
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: you know, his his nemesis is one playoff game was
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: was just a few months back against these Rams. So
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: I think that he's got a little bit of a
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: monkey on his back. I'm excited to watch him. But
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: you know, when you think about John Schneider and the
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: decision they made to let Pete Carroll walk, and you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: it was thought that hey, we got to get maybe
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: Ben Johnson to get a similar you know, an elite
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: offensive mine.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe he would be the guy.
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: But I think that once they sat down with Mike McDonald,
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: they were singularly focused on. No, the way we're going
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: to win this NFC West against these brilliant minds and
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan is we're gonna get equal
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: brilliance on the opposite side of the ball. And all
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: of the data prior to that and all of the
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: data after that have have proven, in my opinion that
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: that was, you know, the right decision called a great decision,
• 39:13
  Speaker 11: love the path of the defense. And so you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: you you've got some titans. I mean, this is Bobby
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: Fisher against big Blue IBM. I mean, you know in
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: a chess matchic you can't you can't get any bigger,
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: greg in terms of of of just kind of a
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: divisional matchup and the coaching battle on one on one
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: side of the ball versus the other. I bet man,
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: it's going to be great, great theater, Gregor.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: He was fired up for it as what we are
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: just to watch from a football perspective, just to see
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: these two go ahead.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: That I mean, the first year, rookie year.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald has a little learning curve, but right now
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: he seems to be humming, and we know mcveigh's always humming.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest, there I'm doing I've been doing
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: this a couple of days now, twenty plus years, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: when I get on planes on some weekend in November, it's.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Like, I won't mind this trip.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: This is I'm getting on a plane to LA on Saturday,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to see something that should be very fascinating.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: He's right.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: The reason they hired Mike McDonald is to win this game.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: They decided the most broken part of their team was
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: what had once gotten them to the Super Bowl twice
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: in a row, and that's their defense and Yp Carroll
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: was no longer their coach. Is that the defense had
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: faltered so poorly.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Remember when they.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Hired Mike McDonald, they were thirtieth, thirty, first, thirty second
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: in the league for a couple of years against the run.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You know what they are now they're number one. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: that's where it starts. When you play the Rams. Everyone
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: gets Sean McVay his kudos and flowers for his past game,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: his quick pass game and what he made Hooper Cup
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: and Matthew Stafford and all the crossers and horizontal games
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: you play with defenses, but it starts with the run
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and the threat to run that allows all that stuff
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to work and give the quarterback time to throw and
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: in game after game after game over the years against
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks, the Rams have it doesn't matter who the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: running backs have been, third, fourth string guys off the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: practice squad, Kyrine Williams, it doesn't matter. The same results
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: they established the run. They have thirds and shorts, second
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: in shorts, and the Seahawks are on their heels defensively
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the entire time screen passes Tyler Higbee tight ends thirteen
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: person All of that stems off the fact that they
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: had short guardage on second and third down to do
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: whatever they wanted in mcveigh's playbook.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: McDonald this year so far has.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Limited offensive play callers to third and longs because they've
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: stopped the run on early downs and that has allowed
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: McDonald to dictate.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: To two offenses on third down.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: All of it that we've been talking about since September, Guys,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they don't beat the Rams. If they
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: don't beat the Rams, they're not winning the division. They're
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: not having home playoff games, not going to Super Bowl.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I know they've been great on the road, they're not
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: winning three games on the road. In January to go
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to Super Bowl.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: They just aren't.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: The history of the NFL and the history of the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: seat so tells us that. So this is what they've
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: been building toward, and it's the times of beating the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Steelers and the Saints and the Cardinals twice.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Now it's time to beat the teams that you have
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to to win the division. In the first one of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: those Sunday, we'll see how McDonald's and his defense does
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: against McVeigh in that setting.
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: I fee I lot to go to respond to their
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: First of all, I feel like Seattle needs to split
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: with the Rams. I don't feel like if they were
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: to lose this game Sunday that that prevents them from
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: winning the division. Obviously we're all hoping that they will.
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: But you know, Greg touched on the thirteen personnel that's
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: one running back, three tight ends. That is, the Rams
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: are number one in the use of that to Greg's
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: point about their desire to run the ball. Now, Seattle,
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: their cold run play percent is Seattle at fifty two,
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: they're number one in the NFL. But the Rams are eight,
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: you know, you know, forty three percent but still eighth
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: and and so uh, Yeah, you have to get them
• 43:07
  Speaker 11: in the too, the longer yardage situations and those thirteen personnel.
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: Let's see Seattle. I think an important part of this
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: Seattle's number one in defensively in the use of nickel
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: eighty six percent of the time. But their nickel has changed.
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: The nickel a lot was uh with Devin Witherspoon, you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: one hundred and eighty one pounder was the the nickel.
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: Now with Nickim and Worry two hundred and twenty pounds,
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: they can play. They can play in the paint, hardball
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: in the paint more with the nickel that they have,
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: So it's not just nickel's how is your nickel constructed?
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: And when Sean mccavay wants to go to those heavy sets, look,
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: Seattle may ultimately be compelled to say we we we
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: got to play bass and have three linebackers on the field,
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: and they're not they're they're they're nicked up at linebacker.
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: But uh, if they want to play the nickel, as
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: I mean that's eighty six percent of the time they
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: want to play nickel, they can based on the talent
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: they've acquired here with the Eamon Worry at popping Devin
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: Witherspoon out there to play corner.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: The last four weeks, when the Rams have beaten everybody
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: by fourteen or more points, just boat racing the entire league,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: They've been in thirteen personnel with three tight ends forty
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: percent of the time, almost half the time. Half the time.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Now the teams they've been playing have been going to
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: base defense against that, including the San Francisco forty nine
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: ers last week. Their answer to three tight ends has
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: been debased so far.
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: Mike McDonald's answer to three tight ends has been nickel
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: and dime against thirteen. This season, McDonald's been in nickel
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: or dime fifty eight percent of the time, which leads
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: to huston an eighty six percent time against any formation
• 44:49
  Speaker 12: there in nickel but there, McDonald is gonna give McVeigh
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: something on Sunday he hasn't been seeing, which is extra
• 44:57
  Speaker 12: defensive backs against his three tight ends. Nick Emon worry
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: is the reason you can go nickel and dime against
• 45:04
  Speaker 12: three tight ends. He's a two hundred and twenty pounds
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: and sixty four big enough to take on Tyler Higbee
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: and tight ends around the league. Yet he's fast enough
• 45:11
  Speaker 12: and sure enough to make tackles in the open field
• 45:13
  Speaker 12: like Witherspoon and oh by the way, they're gonna blitz
• 45:16
  Speaker 12: him off the edge a few times as well too,
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: pla him as a post Sakety to play him as
• 45:20
  Speaker 12: a slot corner. They're gonna play him in different ways
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: that McVeigh hasn't seen yet. Emon Worry and Witherspoon coming
• 45:27
  Speaker 12: back healthy gives McVeigh a lot more to have to
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: digest When he goes thirteen personnel, He's gonna see some
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: sub packages and nickel and dime. McDonald's even floating now there.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: He's gonna do more dime this week because of how
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: neami Pritchett played against Arizona. He wanted I led him
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: into a question on Monday that I know he wanted
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: out publicly, so McVeigh could hear. Yeah, we may do
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: more dime because I can't keep pritching off the field.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: He may not do it as much as he tried
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: to bleed on so McVeigh. But the point is Seattle's
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: defense could be far more varied than what McVeigh has
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: been attacking with his extra tight end so far. That's
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: another game within a game.
• 46:02
  Speaker 11: Well, as we're talking personnel. I think a point in
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: this is the is Davante Adams. Now, if Davante Adams
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: is your number two receiver, you know, like like that guy. Now,
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: I get it, he's older, but he has a potential
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: to really impact a game in my opinion. Still, And
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: you know, to that point, the Rams for the season offensively,
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: they're eleven personnel, which is the number one personnel for
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: every team in the NFL other than Baltimore. They're at
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: sixty eight points called sixty nine percent, that's sixth most.
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: They may have Greg been going to thirteen, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: the more of the tight end sets and leaving the
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: one receiver Pooka nakup on the field because they didn't
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: have a healthy Adam. So I don't you know, you
• 46:53
  Speaker 11: may know from a reporting standpoint, what's the latest injury
• 46:56
  Speaker 11: up to date with him, but I think some of that,
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: the those inclinations may have been because of the personnel
• 47:05
  Speaker 11: that they had healthy.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: What do we know about Adams?
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: Greg?
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: And then I will flip it on the Seahawks side.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: Is Ernest Jones going to play? How important is that?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the Seahawks. First, Ernest Jones was
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: on the field yesterday in a limited fashion to practice.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: He of course tweeted out and then I think the
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Seahawks made him take it down, resurrecting from the dead
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a rap star resurrect from the dead on Tuesday, saying
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: he's back, he's playing. But if he's breathing on Sunday morning,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: he's playing. And I'm thinking I'm gonna predict it. He's
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: going to be breathing on Sunday morning, so he's going
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: to be in the middle of that defense because he's
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: not missing this game.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Sure he missed that Aaron Donald's story, but you got
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: this one, all right, good?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to bypass the Aaron Donald's story for
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: my time being. My LA connections haven't given me any
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: reason to go chase that one.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Tory Harton was on the field yesterday. Jake Bobo was
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: on the field yesterday. Both of them missed the game
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: last week with injuries. It looks like they're going to
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: have Josh Job try to go through the concussion protocol
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and see how he fares at the end of the week.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: He was on the practice field beginning to practice yesterday
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: at the starting corner and he's important because he's going
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: back in the starting line. There's some people that's saying, well,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: riek wool And will start over Josh Job. I don't
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: see that happening. I see Joe going right back to
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: starting and then your dying becomes Woolen, not pritch it
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: as much, unless he wants to play seven defensive backs,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: which I don't see happening. But it looks like with
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: the exception of course, at Jaylensondell, who's going to miss
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the game with the knee injury, it looks like they're
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: getting healthier on that side of the ball. Adams the
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: oblique yesterday did not practice down in LA but again
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: in November on a Wednesday, four days before a game.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't read too much into a veteran not practicing.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Let's see if he practices Thursday or Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 48:52
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I just going back to your question
• 48:55
  Speaker 11: about the coaching because there's still I still got more
• 48:58
  Speaker 11: notes and the coaching match. If you go back to
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: Mike McDonald's last year at Baltimore when they played the Rams.
• 49:07
  Speaker 11: Baltimore won the game, but the Rams scored thirty points,
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: so in a way, you know, you could say advantage McVeigh.
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: Last year in lumen in lumen Field, it was flipped.
• 49:21
  Speaker 11: You look at the score, you say, well, the Rams
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: beat the Seahawks twenty six to twenty. They scored twenty
• 49:25
  Speaker 11: six points.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Did they No.
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: Gino Smith had one hundred and five yard interception return,
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: had another interception in the red zone, and one of
• 49:37
  Speaker 11: those touchdowns was in overtime. So in regulation the Rams
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: only scored thirteen points against the Seahawk defense. And in
• 49:46
  Speaker 11: that game the Rams had the most they had. They
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: had seven to three and outs against Seattle's defense. So
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: that was right around the time after the Buffalo game
• 49:57
  Speaker 11: when Seattle was kind of at its worst and they
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: were starting hit their inclined, just like in year one.
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: In twenty twenty two in Baltimore, that that chess. Now,
• 50:07
  Speaker 11: we didn't see the chess match in the last game
• 50:09
  Speaker 11: of the year because that was a JV game nobody
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: was playing. But that mid season game, you know, I
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: think there's reason to say, wait a minute, Mike McDonald,
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: he got the best of saw McVay. I think that
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: game has relevance.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Well let's talk about that.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, okay, so if a train's leaving the station,
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald at fifty five miles per hour heading north
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: and then trains leaving the station in La Matthew Stafford
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: and he's playing his best football and he's going seventy
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: five miles per hour heading east. What happens when the
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: two collide? I mean, can the great Mike McDonald stump
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Matt Stafford as well as he's playing right now?
• 50:42
  Speaker 11: You well, I think that you look at what the
• 50:48
  Speaker 11: Rams do, well, they you know, the more you look
• 50:50
  Speaker 11: at this game, they just really match up very similarly.
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: You know, both teams offensively, you know they're gonna get
• 50:59
  Speaker 11: in shit. The Rams are number one in under center,
• 51:05
  Speaker 11: the Seahawks are number two. So in in play action percentage, uh,
• 51:10
  Speaker 11: the Rams are number one, the Seahawks are six. But
• 51:15
  Speaker 11: and uh, you know passer rating play action, well, the
• 51:19
  Speaker 11: Seahawks and Sam Donald there number two. Sam Donald as
• 51:22
  Speaker 11: one hundred and twenty eight passer rating eight four. So
• 51:25
  Speaker 11: that I think that what's gonna happen is you're gonna
• 51:29
  Speaker 11: have some really exotic blitzes at very critical time that
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: Mike McDonald is gonna he's gonna employ For example, he said,
• 51:39
  Speaker 11: wait a minute, Matthew Stafford. He's a veteran, he can
• 51:43
  Speaker 11: handle that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: How about when Leonard Williams had a ninety seven yard
• 51:48
  Speaker 11: pick six return against Aaron Rodgers right on a on
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: a dropping pop and drop type of scheme with cover zero.
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: Looked like on all our blitz but the defensive tack
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: was we're blocking. Uh uh, we're receding. So I think
• 52:02
  Speaker 11: that there is an opportunity to get Matthew Stafford, particularly,
• 52:08
  Speaker 11: you know, an under center play action he's got his
• 52:10
  Speaker 11: back turned. There may be some and they I miss
• 52:15
  Speaker 11: where the receivers are close to the ball. That gives
• 52:18
  Speaker 11: a lot of blitzing opportunities for corners. Devin Witherspoon, you
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: line up, you say, hey, wait a minute, if they
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: get into this formation from this hash mark, you go,
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: it's and and and Weatherspoon is a great uh you
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: know ballhawks. So so the Seahawks don't do it often.
• 52:37
  Speaker 11: They're the percentage of plays where they bring five rushers,
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: the Seahawks are twenty ninth in the league. But the
• 52:46
  Speaker 11: percentage of times that they bring a dB in the rush,
• 52:50
  Speaker 11: there's seventh. So what wait, you say, what what the
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: hell does that mean?
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: How could that?
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: How could those two facts be true because you're doing
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: simulated pressures, you're dropping defensive lineman off away from the pressure.
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: And here's the critical point, Chuck, to answer your question
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: on the percentage of plays where they bring five or
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: more that's defined as the blitz in the NFL, when
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: they the percentage of time they produce a negative EPA
• 53:16
  Speaker 11: Expected points average. We're not going to go through that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 11: Google it if you're it's a new matrix that has
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: correlation to winning. The percentage of times that the Seahawks
• 53:24
  Speaker 11: bring five or more rushers and they produce a negative EPA.
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: They're second in the NFL, so they don't do it often,
• 53:32
  Speaker 11: but they are very effective when they do it. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 11: and by the way, last week they they were number one.
• 53:37
  Speaker 11: I don't know after that Cardinal game how they could
• 53:40
  Speaker 11: have fallen from one to two, but they are really
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: really effective. So what does that speak to That is
• 53:45
  Speaker 11: Mike mcdone. All those numbers point to Mike McDonald doesn't
• 53:48
  Speaker 11: blitz a lot. When he does blitz, it's creative and
• 53:51
  Speaker 11: it's it's a non risky situation more often to be
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: his zone behind it, right, And and it's discussed well
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: enough that they're creating having That's what those numbers point to.
• 54:04
  Speaker 11: And I think that they can get Matthew Stafford in
• 54:08
  Speaker 11: the same manner that they got Aaron Rodgers. It might
• 54:10
  Speaker 11: only take one or two big plays at the right
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: time in what we expect to be a close game.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Great look for number zero.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence in coverage on Sunday, he talked about that yesterday.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: He said that that's the one they called Mike McDonald's
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: play defensive playbook a Harvard playbook that you need a
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Harvard education to figure it out. But the main difference
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: is he said he had to know when to pass
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: us and when to cover, and in Dallas for eleven
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: years he never had to worry about when to cover.
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: MY biggest concern about this, and please remember, I said,
• 54:42
  Speaker 11: Matthew Stafford is a right handed quarterback. I can't believe
• 54:46
  Speaker 11: how many times, for as smart as Mike McDonald is,
• 54:50
  Speaker 11: how many times And Marcus Lawrence has been as guilty
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: as anybody greg when he brought it up. Is there
• 54:56
  Speaker 11: losing contained? Don't lose contained to a right handed quarterback? Extended?
• 55:00
  Speaker 11: Now you've got to cover three times as long if
• 55:03
  Speaker 11: you're going to if you're gonna lose contained make a
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: quarterback go left. It's much harder for him under under
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: dress to make a play going to his left, So
• 55:11
  Speaker 11: so d law and others. That's that's a That's one
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: of my concerns is that you know you lost the
• 55:17
  Speaker 11: forty nine ers game with Brock Purdy. You know DeMarcus
• 55:21
  Speaker 11: Lawrence lost contained Rock Purdy. He's out on the edge.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: Now a two and a half second played becomes a
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: five and a half second play.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Can't cover that long, So that fifty of his yards
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Well, it is certainly fascinating McVeigh versus McDonald this Sunday,
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: that that battle inside the war if you will uh
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: as they get ready to uh to do their thing. Yeah,
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: it make fascinating as a matter of fact. Coming up
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: on the other side, though, we will talk about Sam Donald.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: All right, So how we stop Sam Donald? Maybe there
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: is a blueprint as you mapped it out, But what
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: about scoring points? Can we keep scoring at a thirty
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: point per game clip against one of the top five
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: defenses in the National Football League. We'll talk about Sam
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Darnold Neck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, fright
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: nine o'clock hour here on this Thursday, man, have we
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: discussed the MVP of the Major League Baseball season a
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: lot this calendar year, and for good reason. You can't
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: spell calendar without cal cal Raleigh and Aaron Judge. One
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: of those two is gonna be named Most Valuable Player
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: tonight of of the American League. And you can catch
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: the coverage at MLB Network. They have exclusive coverage of
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: the MVP Award results. It's gonna start at four pm
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: our time, and you can watch our next guest.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: You know, break it down for you. We're gonna have
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: break it down for us right now.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Thirteen year major League Baseball catcher, mostly with the Tigers.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Sorry about having to beat you.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: Alex Avila now joins us right here on Chuck in Buck.
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  Speaker 13: Good morning, sir, Good morning guys. Appreciate you having me,
• 57:05
  Speaker 13: And that's all right. It was one heck of a series,
• 57:08
  Speaker 13: wasn't it, That Tiger's Mariners series, So, like you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 13: it's one of those where, yeah, I might have had
• 57:14
  Speaker 13: a little bit of you know, rooting for the Tigers,
• 57:19
  Speaker 13: but at the same time I wasn't upset to see
• 57:21
  Speaker 13: the Mariners move on at that point.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us. We appreciated it.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: I'm really curious to get your thoughts on this MVP
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: decision tonight. And I don't know if there's bias because
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: you're a catcher. I mean, does every catcher have to
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: vote for Cal for MVP Alex?
• 57:43
  Speaker 13: You know, I think most catchers would tell you yes, okay,
• 57:48
  Speaker 13: you know, and just and just because of you know,
• 57:51
  Speaker 13: you don't you don't really understand what a catcher goes
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: through unless you're a catcher, right.
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: And.
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: You know, to see what Cal did the course of
• 58:00
  Speaker 13: the whole year, I mean, it was was truly remarkable
• 58:05
  Speaker 13: having been through that, So I think most catchers would say, yeah, like,
• 58:10
  Speaker 13: if you have a guy like Cal that has a
• 58:13
  Speaker 13: year like he had a historic season, you know, that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 13: definitely merits to the m v P. But like you said,
• 58:20
  Speaker 13: we were we were debating this all year because it's
• 58:23
  Speaker 13: it's the best probably MVP race that we've had in
• 58:26
  Speaker 13: a long time and probably probably And it kind of
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: reminds me and I go back to twenty twelve MVP
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: race between Cabrera and Mike Trout. That's what it kind
• 58:38
  Speaker 13: of reminds me of that a little bit, because you
• 58:41
  Speaker 13: know Trout was by far the most valuable player you
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: know from from the way he can impact the game
• 58:48
  Speaker 13: at that point in time. But Cabrera won a triple crown,
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: so it was like, you know, what do you what
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: do you do there? In a similar situation, you have
• 58:57
  Speaker 13: Aaron Judge right that has you know, incredible numbers, historic
• 59:02
  Speaker 13: season in his own right, but you know the season
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: that Cal had, breaking the homer record for a switch hitter,
• 59:09
  Speaker 13: you know, for a catcher and a Mariners franchise record, Like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 13: how do you not fall in love with that story?
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent?
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: And yet to me and correct me if I'm wrong,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: give me the catcher's perspective. I mean, although I played,
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: I didn't catch outside of a week where my college
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: coach thought, hey, let's try this out. I did one
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: session of blocking balls and said, yeah, no thanks, I'll
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: get back out in right field. So I understand the
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: difference just having played as long as I did. To me,
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: it's not even the I mean the historic numbers he
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: put up as a switch hitter and a catcher home
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: run wise, sure, but I mean when it comes to
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: just comparing offenses, I think the reason it's a debate
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: at all. Is because is because you know, Cal did
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: great offensively, but it's not he didn't even compare offensively
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: to what the numbers I think that that Judge put up.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: To me, it's the it's the other stuff. It's the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: pitch selection and calling a game. It's the framing balls,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: it's blocking wild pitches, it's whearing foul balls, are throwing
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: out base runners, and you know, managing your pitching staff
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: mentally and and going out there mound visits and helping
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: them through tough times. I mean, to me, that's where
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: you can't put a number on that stuff. Necessarily they
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: try to, but you can't put a number on all
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: that stuff. And to me, that's where it doesn't even
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: feel like it's a it's a legitimate competition in my opinion,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: even though I'm giving Judge all the credit he deserves
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: for the outstanding performance he did offensively.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 13: No, I mean, I agree with you. I think that's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: where it separates, at least in my eyes. I mean,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 13: because when you look at Judges numbers, he led major
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 13: league baseball, not just the American League, major League baseball
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: in every single offensive category. And then when you look
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 13: at you know, America obviously an American league, Cal had
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 13: got him in Homer's and RBIs. But like judges judges season,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 13: like you're you're talking about guys like Mickey Mann Old
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 13: Jimmy Fox, like you know his he's going to go
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: down as a legendary player. But you know, I also
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 13: look at it when when when it comes to MVP,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: it's obviously, you know, value to your team. You know
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 13: what Cal was able to do for the Mariners over
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 13: the course of the year, really put them on his
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 13: shoulders over the course of the year, propel them into
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 13: the playoffs, get deep into the playoffs. I mean you
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: can see it the way Cal is playing through the playoffs,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: Like you could tell he was tired, like his like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 13: he was giving absolutely everything he had physically and still
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 13: producing at an incredibly high level. But like you know,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 13: from a player's perspective, watching the games through the course
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 13: of the playoffs, you could tell, like man like like
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 13: he was giving everything he had. So I think that
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 13: and you know, when you put that together with the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 13: type of season he had from historical historical perspective as
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 13: a catcher and a switch hitter, I just I fell
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 13: in love with the story and I think the narrative,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 13: you know, the story when you have you know, that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 13: kind of season should play into you know, the decision
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: on on on the most valuable player, because Cal was
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 13: to his team, to the Mariners, you know, the most
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 13: valuable guide. And I'm not I'm not a big fan
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 13: of the whole debate. Well, if you take him off
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 13: the team, does the team still do that? Like a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: lot of people are trying to talk about that with
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 13: Judge all the Yankees still be a good team? Would
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 13: the Mariners be as good without Cal? All that kind
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 13: of stuff. To me, I put I put that out
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 13: the window.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 10: For me.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: It's more about, like you know, with them actually on
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 13: the team, let's debase them on the team and what
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 13: their value is to that team, the type of narrative
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 13: that is throughout that that that develops throughout the season
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 13: because of their incredible performance. I think that all should
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 13: play into into the decision. But there is, like you said,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: so much more that goes into what a catcher does
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 13: on a daily basis that is impossible to quantify in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 13: terms of value for your team. That you know, Cal
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 13: obviously brought that to the Mariners and and I'd even think,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 13: like Judge would tell you, Yeah, obviously, you know, a
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 13: catcher's got a lot more on his plate than than
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 13: an outfielder does on a daily basis, and you know,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 13: to be able to do that and put up the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: type of numbers from an offensive perspective he did, Uh,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 13: and also have another very good season behind the plate.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 13: I mean it for me, it's hard to it's hard
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 13: to argue, but to your point, yeah, I mean the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 13: season that Judge has, Like, that's why this.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 10: Is at debate.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Plus, I mean, cal Rally is a human being and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Aaron Judge is a centaur, and I think that.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Should factor that to the conversation. And it's not.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Factoring in enough, and the conversations I'm hearing it's not
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: even coming up. Alex Savila is with his former major
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: league catcher member of the Major League Baseball Network. He'll
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: be a part of the network that does the next
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: outstanding job their coverage of the MVP announcement tonight at
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: four o'clock.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, if somebody, just average Yankee fan sat by
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: you and said, why is it so much more important
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: that he played catcher? Why is that even a factor?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: Give us some insight into what even the average baseball
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: fan doesn't understand what a catcher goes through on a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: year by year basis and a day by day basis.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, the one thing is that a catcher,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 13: their first priority is the pitcher. So most of your
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 13: day revolves around trying to help that picture be the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 13: best he can on that particular day, and not just
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 13: your starting pitcher, but all your relievers as well. So
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 13: that's your number one priority. And every catcher would tell
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 13: you that, even even the really good offensive catchers you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 13: know that we've had throughout history, their number one priority
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 13: is the success of their pitcher. So your day revolves
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: around him, you know, from you know game prep, you know,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 13: knowing the ins and outs of all of your guys
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 13: as far as what makes them tick, how to motivate them,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 13: how to get them through tough situations, how to keep
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 13: them grounded at times like all those things going to play.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 13: That's part of your responsibility as a catcher, and that
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 13: is your number one responsibility. Then after that comes like
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 13: what you can do for yourself and for your team offensively.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 13: So that's that's the biggest difference, where every other position
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 13: on the field, you know, is the priority is that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 13: position and what you can bring from an offense and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 13: defensive perspective, But the catcher, your your responsibility is the pitcher.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 13: And then on top of that, just the physicality of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: the position, you know, just having you know, blocking balls,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: you know, the the wear and tear on the body
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 13: over the course of a of an entire season, especially
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 13: when you catch as many innings as Cow does. You know,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 13: there's there's no other position that comes close to the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 13: type of physical demand under body.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: The year you hit nineteen and we're an All Star
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, you probably thought you did something pretty
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: special that year, didn't you.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 13: Well, I actually got some down m VP boats and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 13: that in that season exactly. And I'm looking at those
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 13: numbers and you know, obviously Cow's numbers dwarf those in comparison.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: You had a fantastic career. You were you were a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: lot of fun to watch.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: So enjoy the show tonight. Uh.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: Do you think Cal's gonna win? I can tell you
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: want Cal to win. Do you think he's gonna win?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: Do you think that we'll have something to celebrate tonight?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Here in Seattle?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 13: You know, I hope, So I'm rooting for Caw to win.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 13: I've said it a few times over the course of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 13: the year that I for some reason, I think it's judge,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 13: you know. But but at the same time, like I'm
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 13: I'm rooting for caw To to do it because I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 13: think he he absolutely deserves it. So I hope, uh,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 13: I hope I'm wrong. But nonetheless, it was a it
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 13: was a fascinating season to have two tremendous players like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 13: that have the years that they had. But I'm definitely
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 13: rooting for cal all right.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: Great to hear. Uh, well, we'll be watching tonight. Thank
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: you very much for your time.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: That was great, Thanks guys.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: All Right, Alexavila, thirteen year catcher in the major leagues.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: Catchers are going to be a little bit biased, But
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: you also need to know I thought that was such
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: a fascinating response. I mean, think about that, Bucky. I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: know you know this, but I had sixty home runs
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: this year, and my focus wasn't the offense my offense
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: at any time during the season. My focus was making
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: sure the pitcher was ready to give us a great performance.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: That's incredible.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's again that you can't really you
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: can't really qualify all of the ways in which you
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: want to measure. It just boils down to where do
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: you put more of the lion's share?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: Is it?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: The fact that will you just watch Judge do again
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: was something that we have rarely seen. We haven't seen
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: anybody co come by and just turn into this much
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: of a dominant hit or power average, on base percentage.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: He just basically when he steps in the batter's box,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: You're like, this guy doesn't even look human. But to me,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: I just can't understand how how you can think about
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: what all the things that a catcher does and then
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: recognize even when I if I was to sit here
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: and go down the list, I kind of just did
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: a little bit with him of all the things that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: a catcher is involved in that are impact parts of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: the game that a right fielder has nothing to do with,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: And then you can get somewhere it's like.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, you know, plays at home plate, Okay, that's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: a catch thing, but a lot of times the right
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: fielder's throw is what makes it a play at home plate,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: so they can have some impact on the game. Still defensively,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of things, But then there's a ton
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: of things that you can't even think about, Like, when
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: do you got now that there's a certain amount of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: mound visits, when do you go out to write the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: ship with the guy between the years or mechanically something
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: he's doing, or game plan wise, here's what our game
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: plan was against this guy, you know, leading into the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: game and our pregame meeting and leading up to this performance.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: And yet he looks like he's on that game plan,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: like he was expecting it. So we're gonna shift gears,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: When do you do that? That's you can't put a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: number on that. And he does that about as well
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: as anybody out there, throwing runners out. He's great at
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: This year was his best year behind the plate, block
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: and balls, but it still wasn't horrible. And so I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: just don't see it as I mean the major league
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: baseball player. I don't always agree with players voting for
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: things because I think it becomes a popularity contest and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: it's not something they dive into necessarily. But he was
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: voted the most outstanding player by his peers. The people
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: that are playing right now in the game right now,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: to me, that is those guys that are playing right
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: now that they're in the game, they play against him,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: they watch him play, They're saying, that's the dude that
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: is the most outstanding. And to me, it's if you
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: say outstanding player, that's where Judge has an argument, you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: say the most valuable player.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: I don't even think.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: It's a I don't even think it should be a debate,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: to be honest, it is because of how great Aaron
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Judge's season was. But it's the value that Cal Rawly
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: brings to the Mariners. There's nobody that brings more value
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: to their team.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: Well, I would definitely have voted for Cal Raleigh, and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: I say that without bias. I honestly mean that. I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: say that completely without bias. But I do think I'm
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: sixty one percent sure he's not going to win, So
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: I gives him a thirty nine percent chance of winning tonight.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: So that's where I'm at. I don't think we're going
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: to get the news we're wanting tonight, but I think
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: that there is a chance, Ashley, that we're going to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: get that news.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm holding on to hope. I will say this,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: I do think that Cal should win it. And I
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: know that I have bias when I say that. Originally
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: but also hearing all of the arguments and listening to
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: things and as we've talked about it over the last
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: few weeks and months, and thinking about all of the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: things that cat pitchers do, and just hearing what Alex
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: had to say.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, I have zero doubt that cal should win.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, just to be fair, just to show the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: other side, there are plenty of former major leaguers at
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: MLB Network that you're going to hear tonight break this
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: down that think Aaron Judge should win. I mean, Sean
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: Casey has gone on. We tried to get Sean Casey
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: on as well today and he's he's been one hundred
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: percent on Aaron Judge.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: It's not even close. I mean, so it's it's you know.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: There are plenty of MLB Network former players that have
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: the aeron Judge.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: There might even be more for all I know.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think there's one catcher out there
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: that's not that if they had a vote, wouldn't vote.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: For col No.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: And I think that that's it isn't just because of
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: the go some catcher brotherhood. It's because of an understanding
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: of how crazy it was if you caught in the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: Big Leagues for ten years, you understand, Oh my god.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: How is he?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, the numbers sixty home runs is crazy. I don't
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: care if you're a DH it's crazy. But to do
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: it while you're catching and managing the staff and wearing
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: the foul balls and block them, it's just absolutely berserk.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris Young, he's on the judge side. Cliff Flower
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: Air alot of them. So but you know, to convince me,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: I think you should win the MVP. But we shall
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: see if it goes down tonight, and certainly we'll react
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: on tomorrow's show. Coming up next though, Mike Sando will
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: be with us. Ask him about Seahawks rams. Also Thursday
• 1:13:02
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• 1:13:10
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  Speaker 1: Get on the horn and call Hunts Now with Mike.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Chuck and bud.
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  Speaker 10: Hi.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, Mike Sando joins his each and every week. Let's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: ask Mike real quick, he's a smart fella. Cal Rally
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: or aaron judge.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 14: Mike cal Rallio. Let's go with the hometown guy. I mean,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 14: and I'm an expert.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Believe me.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 14: I've I've watched some of the playoffs and uh, I'm
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 14: actually excited. Are we gonna get the Mariners on local
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 14: TV this year? If you have, like, you know, a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 14: YouTube TV?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: I wanted to have that. What does it matter with
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: you? You know? I get like it doesn't sound like you're
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: tuned in.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 14: Well, I mean, I'm not gonna work that hard to
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 14: watch the games. But I mean, you know, in a
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 14: sport I'm not covering, but I'm interested. So I'm a
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 14: terrible expert in that. But cal rally, that guy's amazing.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 14: I know enough of that. Okay, every time you, even
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 14: if you don't follow baseball, you realize he's doing something
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 14: heroic every week.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: All Right, we'll take it, We'll accept it. Your vote
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: has been cast.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's talk about what you do cover
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: for a living and what you do have incredible passion for.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: That's the National Football League. You watched a.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: Lot of games, you got ready for a lot of games.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, how big is this one between the Seahawks
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: and the Rams for a mid season affair?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 14: I think it's the most fun anticipated regular season matchup
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 14: for the Seahawks since when. I mean it would have
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 14: to go back to prime Russell Wilson, right. I mean,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 14: it's been a while that you really felt like it's
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 14: a great matchup and you're excited and you feel like
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 14: these guys could you know, not only if they could
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 14: win the game, but like they could really go somewhere.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: So I love it.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 14: I think these are two of the best teams in
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 14: the league. When's the last time Seahks been one of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 14: the best teams in the league.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: It's been top five team to nine years? Probably Yeah,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: in a minute, it.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 14: Feels really differ.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: So I love it.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 14: Yet, I feel like if the Seahawks lose, I think
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 14: they just dust themselves off and get them next time.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 14: I don't think it's a must win, but I do
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 14: think it's a helpful win for validity, you know, having
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 14: Sam Donald had the bad playoff game last time, so
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 14: there's some things that can be changed perception wise, I
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 14: think with this game. But I still think Seattle's on
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 14: the same track no matter what happens.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: Agreed, I don't think either team has some signature win.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: This is kind of the measuring stick for both of them.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, the easiest or the most common thread to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: pull on when you're thinking about this is McVeigh and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: his offense versus McDonald and his defense. And yet both
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: sides of the ball play well on both of these teams.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: And so what's an underlying thing that you're going to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: think that you think might be one of the determining
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: factors in this thing.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 14: Well, Seattle's defense. Both these teams defensive lines really are
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 14: surly and get after it. I think that's where it starts.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 14: I think the Seahawks have a better overall rotation of people,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 14: but those you know, Jared versus probably you know the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 14: people with the guy. People have heard about it around
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 14: the country, So I think both. I think they play
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 14: with attitude and tenacity upfront on defense and whoever kind
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 14: of I think someone's going to set the tone with
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 14: that in this game, and I think it's I think
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 14: it may be Seattle. I kind of feel like the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 14: Seahawks are going to win this one and then maybe
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 14: have their hands more full of the second time. That's
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 14: just kind of my feel I feel like they're starting
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 14: kind of surging now, the team with a little bit
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 14: more to prove, and they may get them, but they
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 14: haven't seen the last of them.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: Either what's what's more surprising to you that Matthew Stafford
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: closing in on forty might be better now than he's
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: ever been, or that Sam Donald, considering where he was
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: two years ago, is in the MVP conversation this season.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 14: Donald, to me, Donald's more surprising because because Stafford has
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 14: played at a high level, He's always been someone who
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 14: everyone thought had the talent. And I think we can
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 14: see in retrospect that he had the talent, but you know,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 14: they had a bad situation a lot of the time
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 14: with the organization. And I think he's got a great
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 14: set up now with McVeigh and and he's at a
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 14: he's at peace, and he and he's he's in a
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 14: different place I think for Donald, uh, you know, to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 14: go from to go from a major market where you're
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 14: kind of seen. When you fail in a place like
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 14: New York as a quarterback or a head coach, you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 14: kind of get branded in a different way, right, You
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 14: kind of get laughed at and mocked. Think of Adam Gase,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 14: he was a good coach in the league. Have you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 14: seen him a lot lately?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 14: Like when it happens though in that place, these are
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 14: these are good. These aren't a lot of cases. Good
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 14: people are good coaches, and you know, Sam Donald was
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 14: not the complete buffoon he was made out to be
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 14: seeing ghosts and all that. Things take on a uh,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 14: you know, things take on a greater meaning there, and
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 14: so I think we're used to a lot of times
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 14: those guys just kind of it's hard to recover from.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 14: You know, you don't necessarily get the other chance. You
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 14: get branded and you have a hard time changing that identity.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 14: So I think that's just it's a great story. Maybe
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 14: we're seeing it a little more now. I mean, Daniel
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 14: Jones is having it too, So that's I think that's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 14: just a great thing. It reflects really well on those guys,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 14: and they're current teams, but it's still a surprise when
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 14: you see it. You're used to most of those guys
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 14: just kind of going.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: Away, Sando.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: One of the reasons for the surprise that is Sam
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: Darnold's i mean MVP ish first half of the season
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: is Jackson Smith and Jigmin. He's got like twenty percent
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: more receiving yards than Jamar Chase, who's in second place,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: And yet I kind of feel like, at some point
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: during the season, you're going to have someone that's going
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: to have some game plan. Even if the game plan
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: is we're gonna put six guys on him, he's not
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: going to beat us. I don't know what how you
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: try to slow this guy down, but it seems impossible
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: at this point. Nobody's figured out how to do it
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: through nine games in the season, and so.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Can it be done?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: Do you expect that to be the priority for the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Rams defense, at least in.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: The back end of that secondary.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I would think that that's the case. But if
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 14: you notice with most wide receivers that are good, they
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 14: don't get solved like that, you know, And I think
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 14: it's harder to defend wide receivers now if you go back,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 14: you know, you know, when I was covering the Super
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 14: Bowl team in two thousand and five, If you just
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 14: look at the game, it's so different. There's there's two
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 14: running backs on the field and neither one of them
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 14: is going to really stretch you vertically as a receiver.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 14: Your tight end's gonna hopefully be a decent blocker, you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 14: and then you've got two wide receivers out there. So
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 14: if you want to stop one of those wide receivers.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 14: I think it was easier than to do that, right
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 14: because there's only a couple of them, and your tight
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 14: end's kind of a half receiver, that sort of a thing,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 14: and you might go to three wides. They did that,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 14: but it might be third down, you know. So I
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 14: think now there's three wide receivers out there every play,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 14: the tight end looks like a big wide receiver. Now
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 14: he's not as great as a blocker, but man, he
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 14: could be a threat. And even your half back grew
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 14: up in a seven on seven worlds, So saying you're
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 14: going to stop a wide receiver just it's harder to do.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 14: There's more space out there, there's lighter you know. It's
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 14: just you can do it. And I think there's scheming
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 14: in the NFL now. Is is a even bigger thing
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 14: than it was before. I think teams used to run
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 14: their system and you might try to stop it. Now
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 14: they're scheming these guys in a different way.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: I say, good luck trying to stop these guys. The
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: Eagles fans might disagree with you about.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 14: Well, that's really interesting. Yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Actually, Yeah, I wanted to talk about it a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: If I'm going to talk about one national story other
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  Speaker 4: than Seahawks rams here, I wanted to get your thoughts because,
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  Speaker 4: on one hand, I do think AJ Brown is going
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  Speaker 4: about this all the wrong way, and he's coming off
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  Speaker 4: as a bad teammate for sure, and he shouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: doing it.
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  Speaker 3: But I think he's got a point.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, how can we have this much talent and
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  Speaker 4: we're having this much difficulty getting the ball from quarterback
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  Speaker 4: to wide receipts.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just him.
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  Speaker 4: DeVante Smith can't catch a pass either, So does I
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  Speaker 4: mean at what.
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  Speaker 14: Point smiths on pace for good year?
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  Speaker 10: Though? Solid?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, solid?
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  Speaker 4: But you know what point is it justified that a
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  Speaker 4: player goes to the media because he can't get through
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  Speaker 4: to the coaching staff on how he's being used.
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  Speaker 14: I say this is the most diplomatic, well reasoned, smartest
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  Speaker 14: protests like this. Usually guys are emotional at their locker overtime,
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  Speaker 14: you know what I mean, and they just finally snap
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  Speaker 14: and then it comes off as super selfish, and it isn't.
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  Speaker 14: I feel like the selfish part of this is only
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  Speaker 14: in that you know it is drawing attention now to it,
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  Speaker 14: and if they don't reach their goals this season, which
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  Speaker 14: is unlikely. You're not gonna win the super Bowl anyway.
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  Speaker 14: Most years, you know, it'll kind of look like it's
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  Speaker 14: because they didn't get him the ball more. But I
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  Speaker 14: think I think there's something to it, and he is
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  Speaker 14: does have a good point in that, Hey, just because
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  Speaker 14: we're winning the games doesn't mean that we're playing our
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  Speaker 14: best ball. And he's trying to say that it doesn't
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  Speaker 14: mean I have to get the ball every week. I
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  Speaker 14: think he believes that, but it's not clicking. And so
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  Speaker 14: I'll give you an example like Denver's won seven games
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  Speaker 14: in a row and their quarterback is struggling, and that's
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  Speaker 14: all gonna when they lose losing some games, it's gonna
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  Speaker 14: come to the it's gonna be a conversation. I think
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  Speaker 14: what what A J. Barn is saying is like, we're
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  Speaker 14: not the way we're playing right now. We may win
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  Speaker 14: a lot of these games, but we're not We're not
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  Speaker 14: our best right now, and he's just kind of a
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  Speaker 14: cry for help. But I agree he's kind of putting
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  Speaker 14: it on that coordinator more than anything, because he he
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  Speaker 14: he hasn't just said it's Jay. He hasn't said it's
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  Speaker 14: Jalen hurts as much, wouldn't you agree?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I mean I think he was kind of hinting at
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  Speaker 4: it last year. Remember when they had the little tiff
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  Speaker 4: last year.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure it started behind the scenes and
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  Speaker 4: he couldn't get where he was going with it. I
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  Speaker 4: do believe he has a point. There's no reason why
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  Speaker 4: that offense. Would I think he wanted to struggle that much.
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  Speaker 3: I think he wants to win.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I hear you, all right, Thursday night football,
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  Speaker 4: Patriots versus Jets. I mean, it's not exactly a hum
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  Speaker 4: dinger here, Mike, but yeah, oh yeah, that is interesting.
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  Speaker 4: What's interesting about this game? Hey, anytime we can watch
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  Speaker 4: New England with Drake May, I'm all for it. I
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  Speaker 4: think this is somebody who in his second year has
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  Speaker 4: outperformed the expectations everybody thought in the league. Probably a
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  Speaker 4: good reason that this was a team to be reft
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  Speaker 4: of talent even coming into this year, even after spending
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  Speaker 4: in free agency, and they've won seven in a row.
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  Speaker 4: They're really great on defense, that's stopping the run, so
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  Speaker 4: they make you a little bit one dimensional, and this
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  Speaker 4: quarterback without a bunch of targets you've heard of. I
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  Speaker 4: think he had.
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  Speaker 14: I think they had four plays on offense last week
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  Speaker 14: that were fifty yards or more and I was looking
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  Speaker 14: that up like that just doesn't happen. I couldn't find
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  Speaker 14: in twenty the last twenty five years, anyone had more
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  Speaker 14: than that. So I think that's a really cool story.
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  Speaker 14: And it's the interesting twist of it is, you know,
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  Speaker 14: I think the Jets really wanted to hire Mike Rabel,
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  Speaker 14: so guess what Mike Rable' is the edter coach. And
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  Speaker 14: it feels to me as much as I, you know,
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  Speaker 14: have defended Aaron Glenn a little bit early on, I
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  Speaker 14: feel like he's starting to get some of these press converences,
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  Speaker 14: are starting to feel like he's losing it a little bit.
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  Speaker 14: So I want to watch just how that all goes
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  Speaker 14: to have New England having turned it with a roster
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  Speaker 14: that was perceived to be worse.
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  Speaker 3: Than the Jets a year ago.
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  Speaker 14: Interesting in the division, I mean, I think this is
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  Speaker 14: one of those games where if the Patriots gotten win
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  Speaker 14: by thirty points, I think it's very much more damaging
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  Speaker 14: to the new people and the Jets.
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  Speaker 4: I knew you would find something that you couldn't wait
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  Speaker 4: to watch about Thursday night football. You can count on
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  Speaker 4: Sandal Well really enjoy the football this weekend, and we're
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  Speaker 4: all going to enjoy that Seahawks Rams game.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be special. Oh, it's gonna be great. I
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  Speaker 3: can't wait.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks, Thanks Mike. All Right, Mike Sando or NFL Insider
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  Speaker 4: from the Athletic. You can follow him at Sando NFL
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  Speaker 4: must follow for you football fans out there, and we
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  Speaker 4: love having him on every Thursday on the program. All Right,
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  Speaker 4: coming up next, we'll close it out with one last
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  Speaker 4: thing on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM