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Michael Jackson Revealed · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: It's Tampa. It's wgul. Those are the call letters. That's
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  Speaker 1: the town.
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  Speaker 2: It must be our opportunity to say hi to our
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  Speaker 2: Florida based but nationally known buddy, Mike Gallagher. It's Mark,
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  Speaker 2: it's Mike, It's Eminem coming to you in podcast unique
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  Speaker 2: content form, this kind of magic that you're about to
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  Speaker 2: hear for the next I don't know, ten ish minutes
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  Speaker 2: where we are untethered by time, riffing on whatever we like.
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  Speaker 2: It may or may not be a really good idea,
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  Speaker 2: but just to follow this space and we'll let everybody
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  Speaker 2: know when that kicks off. It's within days.
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  Speaker 1: It's just no matter of how many If we just
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  Speaker 1: keep telling everybody it's magic, maybe they'll start believing it's magic.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's magic. One of the shows I
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  Speaker 1: took in over the weekend in Las Vegas for my
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  Speaker 1: little getaway was a magic show at the West Gate
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  Speaker 1: the family friend Jen Kramer, who does wonderful, wonderful work.
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  Speaker 1: It's called the Magic of Jen Kramer. And I've been
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  Speaker 1: a family good name of no. I've known her for years,
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  Speaker 1: her mom and dad, and we were celebrating her one
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  Speaker 1: thousandth anniversary of the show. Sorry, does how long does
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  Speaker 1: it take? I was back in Shakespeare. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how long. But it was a thousand shows and
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  Speaker 1: it was a packed house. And I made these magicians
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  Speaker 1: make me angry because it furiates me that I can't
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  Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. I mean, she had a guy.
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  Speaker 1: She had a guy in the audience guess like a
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  Speaker 1: number or a drink or some word or whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: then she had a card up in a box. This
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  Speaker 1: is what they call the mentalist trips tricks that they do.
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  Speaker 1: And the course and the guy picked a drink and
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  Speaker 1: it was like an Expresso Martine. Expresso Martini, right, And
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  Speaker 1: she had a box that was that was hanging from
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  Speaker 1: the roof, from the from the ceiling of the of
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  Speaker 1: the theater. And in a not very long period of time,
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  Speaker 1: she lowers the box. Now there's more involved in this,
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  Speaker 1: but you'll get the gist of it. Open the box.
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  Speaker 1: There's an Espresso Martini. And now and and they've even
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  Speaker 1: gotten the words espresso Martini written on a card. Now,
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  Speaker 1: how do they You couldn't get to that box. I
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  Speaker 1: was watching the box the whole time. How do they
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  Speaker 1: do that?
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  Speaker 2: And she won't know this this, This takes us, Nor
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  Speaker 2: should she because she would because.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'm a talk show host.
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  Speaker 2: I know I am too, but I also get an
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  Speaker 2: accent of magic. I know, but we as soon as
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  Speaker 2: we know it's quite literally not magic anymore. And this
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  Speaker 2: takes us, This takes us right to this. O's Pearlman,
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  Speaker 2: who was the host at the White House dinner, and
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  Speaker 2: he was I think he was in the process of
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  Speaker 2: successfully guessing Caroline Levitt's baby's name, Vivian.
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  Speaker 1: How many names are there?
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  Speaker 2: He was also the guy who was on Fox a
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  Speaker 2: few days earlier with Brett Bear in another city, in
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  Speaker 2: another studio. It's like, Brett, think of a childhood friend
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  Speaker 2: of yours, and Brett did, and he's sitting here scribbling
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  Speaker 2: stuff on a whiteboard and lifts up the piece of
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  Speaker 2: paper and there's the friend. There's the friend's name, and
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  Speaker 2: they're absolutely stunned. So look, here's the deals. There is
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  Speaker 2: no such things. It's either deviltry. It's either the devil
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  Speaker 2: or there's that. I'm semi kidding about that. I believe
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  Speaker 2: there are such a thing as dark forces. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that's it. There's just a way that they do this.
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  Speaker 2: There is no such thing as mind reading. There is
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  Speaker 2: no such thing, no such.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, so it must they'll say that they do this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course there's a way they do it. They do it,
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  Speaker 1: that's just it.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's no such thing as mind reading, period, So
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  Speaker 2: there's some o the no, no, no, there's some other way
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  Speaker 2: that they're doing this. I can't imagine in a million
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  Speaker 2: years what it is. That's why it is so dog
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  Speaker 2: on compelling and so dog on entertaining. And I'm a
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  Speaker 2: big fan of these acts. I'm pretty amazed by them.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of being entertained, I got my Michael Jackson tickets tonight,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm going to go off at seven pm showing
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people are all excited about that movie.
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  Speaker 1: And of course there's war all the drama. There was
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  Speaker 1: a family that took him in many years ago. They're
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  Speaker 1: from New Jersey, and they trotted these kids out all
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  Speaker 1: on to Oprah many many years ago, and they said,
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  Speaker 1: he never did anything wrong to us, he didn't touch us,
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  Speaker 1: We love uncle Michael. Well now they're turning around and saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he abused all of them boys, the boys, the girl,
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  Speaker 1: the little girl says he abused her. And they won
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen million dollars and all that, and
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  Speaker 1: so that casts to Paul over the movie, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: do you ever know? Are you ever going to know?
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  Speaker 1: Is he a peculiar guy that had this bizarre childhood
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  Speaker 1: and this weird affixation with kids but was purely platonic?
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  Speaker 1: Was he a devious pedophile? And then you can't ignore
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  Speaker 1: the body of work the guy, the legacy that he
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  Speaker 1: left behind. So it's tough, it's a it's a tough one.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have any reservations about going to the movie
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  Speaker 1: knowing all the questions about him? None?
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  Speaker 2: Whatsoever. I said, I'm going to let this film wash
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  Speaker 2: over me see what I think of it. I can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to see what you think of it, because as entertainment,
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  Speaker 2: as a document chronicling his ascendancy from the family and
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  Speaker 2: Joe the weird Dad, up through the world of Motown,
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  Speaker 2: up through Barry Gordy Quincy Jones, the film is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: knock you out of your chair sensational. And this Jamar
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  Speaker 2: Jackson's it's Michael's nephew doing it. He's is he Jermaine's son,
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  Speaker 2: one of his brothers and he I mean, when they
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  Speaker 2: make it kind of a quick jump from whoever plays
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  Speaker 2: the child Michael, who's incredibly good, and then you see
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  Speaker 2: Michael at about twenty or twenty one. I swear to god,
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  Speaker 2: it's like seeing a ghost.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: I nearly gasped, Mark, I'm simply I've a magnificent film.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen side by side videos of scenes
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  Speaker 1: of real life of like when Michael Jackson did Thriller,
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  Speaker 1: or the moonwalk, the famous moonwalk, and then this kid
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  Speaker 1: recreates it in the movie Yep, and it's identical. They've
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  Speaker 1: obviously done this with a real dedication to authenticity about
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  Speaker 1: thee And I've seen these movies now or these scenes,
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  Speaker 1: these videos on TikTok and and x where people are
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  Speaker 1: just having a great time in the audience and a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of all of us white boomers are just dancing
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  Speaker 1: in the aisles. And look back to my Vegas trip
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  Speaker 1: last weekend. I went and saw They've got to show
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson one. It's a circ Di silay tribute to
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. It's almost spectacular things I've ever seen I've
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  Speaker 1: seen a bunch of times. But the music, it's just
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  Speaker 1: but what a sad sort of I see still. I
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  Speaker 1: still see images of Catherine Jackson, the matriarch. She's in
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  Speaker 1: a wheelchair. She's still alive. Joe's not alive, right, the
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  Speaker 1: dad died, didn't I don't. I believe so.
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  Speaker 2: And here's where I am on the charges and the
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  Speaker 2: movie and listen, the family is draped all over this movie,
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  Speaker 2: so it's it's the most approved of biographies on film.
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  Speaker 1: But it does touch on the weirdness.
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  Speaker 2: There's a flipping giraffe in the backyard, and he's obsessed
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  Speaker 2: with Peter Panis, like, this is a stunted, stunted young
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  Speaker 2: man trapped in perpetual weirdness in childhood. Dad's reaction, Dad's
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  Speaker 2: reaction when he gets the nose job not good. So
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  Speaker 2: they touch on all of this, and I think this
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  Speaker 2: was one of the weirdest childhoods ever, that created one
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  Speaker 2: of the weirdest people ever. And he loved children and
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  Speaker 2: he was forever enmeshed and I think his own perpetual childhood.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just going to tell you, I do not
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  Speaker 2: for one minute believe that he did something horrible to
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  Speaker 2: a child. It's too easy. I just don't. Well, he
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  Speaker 2: had him over for sleepovers. He must have he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really present. I mean, listen, we've all known and heard
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  Speaker 2: about actual pedophiles. They don't really present like him. So
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  Speaker 2: I just don't believe it. I just don't. I never
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  Speaker 2: have it, I never will.
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  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people feel that way. I'm troubled
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  Speaker 1: by the details of his initial accuser, who was a
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  Speaker 1: young boy who gave certain details not to the police
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  Speaker 1: but to his therapist, and the therapist then reported it
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  Speaker 1: to the police, and the police or wherever to we're
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  Speaker 1: able to verify the very personal details that this kid revealed.
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  Speaker 1: That's problem. It's always kind of stuck with me. But
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  Speaker 1: maybe that I don't want to Maybe I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say it's debunked. I don't want to say it's
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  Speaker 1: been debunked because it hasn't. But there are ways for
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  Speaker 1: a certain vagueness and a certain well, it kind of
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  Speaker 1: look that we're talking about actual discolorations somewhere, And you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you've got the impetigo or whatever you can you
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  Speaker 1: could I mean, how much how many square inches do
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  Speaker 1: you have to deal with there? It's possible to get it,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the thing to do is to put
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  Speaker 2: a pin in all of that and just take it
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  Speaker 2: as what it is, an entertainment journey without peer. And
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  Speaker 2: one of these things that movies like this do usually
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  Speaker 2: do horribly is recreate live performances. The lip syncing is terrible.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't really look like it's live. It is masterful.
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  Speaker 2: And you have these these iconic moments like the making
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  Speaker 2: of the Thriller video and the Motown twenty five we
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  Speaker 2: did the moonwalk for the first time. The recreation of
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  Speaker 2: those is absolutely masterful, as is the pepsi ad where
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  Speaker 2: you set his head on fire.
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  Speaker 1: That's in there too, which and I just watched and
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  Speaker 1: I just watched the documentary about that the other the
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  Speaker 1: other night, a couple of weeks ago, about that hat,
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  Speaker 1: that pepsi ad, that injury really really led to his downfall,
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  Speaker 1: that he had a lot of agonizing pain turned to
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  Speaker 1: pain medications and a lot a lot of problem by
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  Speaker 1: the bait. All right, let's let's let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Justice Department securing this indictment against Komi. I saw that.
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Turley thinks it's just terrible. It's a bad idea.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to hold up, you know what. I
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  Speaker 1: like though, I like that they're trying. I like that
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  Speaker 1: they're at least making the effort. And let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you why Pam Bondi. Since Pam Bondi left, there's a
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  Speaker 1: whole series of things. One of Fauci's right hand men
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  Speaker 1: was was dited on some charges yesterday. We're seeing some
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  Speaker 1: real forward moving action which we've been asking for for
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  Speaker 1: a fighting we're fighting, well do something. Look I know,
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  Speaker 1: but you know how weird it is, how scary it
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  Speaker 1: is if you're in a light in an airport and
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  Speaker 1: you use the word bomb while you're at the TSA
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  Speaker 1: lane and then no, they could take it out in Jenka.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with threatening the president's life. If somebody in
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  Speaker 1: this office or in your office there in Dallas said,
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  Speaker 1: oh I think it's time to take the president out,
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  Speaker 1: chances are there to be a phone call. Why does
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  Speaker 1: James Comy get away with it? And apparently there and
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  Speaker 1: there's a witness evidently that saw him that like a teenager,
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  Speaker 1: there's this griffing gang guy put in the stones spelling
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  Speaker 1: it out. He didn't just stumble upon and take a picture.
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  Speaker 1: Why not charge him? See what they could get.
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  Speaker 2: That that that's certainly a school of thought I'm willing
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  Speaker 2: to entertain. I almost wish there was a hierarchy though.
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  Speaker 2: He's a big fish and that's where we're going after him.
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  Speaker 2: But this brewery in Wisconsin, this monopoly brewing company, with
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  Speaker 2: a mug that says free beer day for the day,
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  Speaker 2: that's it's not for the day. Somebody they try to
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  Speaker 2: deal with that. But compared to the Jimmy Kimmel story,
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  Speaker 2: you and I are of the same mindset. The government
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be trying to shut Jimmy Kimmel down. So what
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  Speaker 2: you want the government to shut the brewer redown?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I do.
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  Speaker 2: And yet, if we're trying to identify what really is
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  Speaker 2: a palpable threat, I know here's the deal. So here's
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  Speaker 2: if I'm really trying to identify what really is a
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  Speaker 2: palpable threat or a palpable demonstrable wish that the president's dead.
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  Speaker 2: The stones on the beach, you really got to cross
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  Speaker 2: a bridge to get there, the mug with a red
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  Speaker 2: clive the ground, or or twenty fifth Amendment, or or
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  Speaker 2: impeach him, or it could have been a hundred other things.
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  Speaker 1: From James six is to kill That's like Kimmel's apology.
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  Speaker 1: Kimmel didn't mean that he was going to die of age.
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  Speaker 1: The guy's been there's been two assassination attempts. They know
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  Speaker 1: what they're saying. Go for it. Go and look Florida.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of going for it, Florida, the committee four
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  Speaker 1: additional seats, which wipes out Virginia, and the Virginia courts
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  Speaker 1: yesterday rejecting the Democrats appeal. That's looking pretty good. I'm
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  Speaker 1: liking her chances in Virginia, like her chances in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: And had a brand new poll coming out. The three
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  Speaker 1: new polls fifty to fifty Republicans Democrats first tie in
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  Speaker 1: the congressional battle. You know, uh polls leading into the midterms.
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