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The Kenny Report | 11 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lare from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me again. Tonight, the climate and energy
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  Speaker 2: wars fire up.
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  Speaker 3: I'll show you why. More about politics than the climate.
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  Speaker 2: Americans waking up to the border control and immigration crisis.
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  Speaker 3: I'll cross to Kristen Tate in the US.
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  Speaker 2: Hateful pro Palestinian protests continue around the world and the
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  Speaker 2: police stand idly by. I'll explain how our values are
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  Speaker 2: under threat. Also, the ABC switches side suddenly.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to renewable energy.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't like protesters trying to stop developments. All that
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  Speaker 2: and plenty more With Stephen Sena Tiempo, Christy McSweeney, Paul
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  Speaker 2: Murray and Tim Blair, let's get cracking. The climate and
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  Speaker 2: energy debate is already idiotic.
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  Speaker 3: Let me explain how dumb this is.
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  Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that the coalition is committed to
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  Speaker 2: net zero emissions by twenty fifty, and never mind that
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  Speaker 2: by embracing nuclear energy, Dutton actually has applausible path to
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  Speaker 2: deliver net zero by twenty fifty using proven technology.
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  Speaker 3: Labor, on the other hand, is pretending.
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  Speaker 2: It can do it with renewables, even though the International
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  Speaker 2: Energy Agency says it can't. Be done, and no other
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  Speaker 2: country is even attempting to do it that way. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: despite those key points, Labor, the Greens and the Tills
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  Speaker 2: and most of the media, they want to make the
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  Speaker 2: debate all about what Australia's emissions reduction target will be for.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty thirty, that's just six years from now.
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  Speaker 2: Labor has promised to cut emissions by forty three percent
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  Speaker 2: by twenty thirty, and as I mentioned yesterday, Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: said he wouldn't bother with that target any longer because
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  Speaker 2: he wants to focus on using nuclear energy to get
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  Speaker 2: to net zero by twenty fifty and Labour wants to
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  Speaker 2: make a major attack line on this. For Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: to walk away from any twenty thirty commitment, to be clear,
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  Speaker 2: is walking away from the Paris Agreement.
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  Speaker 3: Really, So what do you reckon? The media was excited
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  Speaker 3: about today.
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  Speaker 4: A position leader will be a doctor lower climate target
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  Speaker 4: for twenty thirty, then, Labor, does that mean you'll.
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  Speaker 5: Have a lower target than Labor? Its achievable by thirty A.
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  Speaker 6: Target of twenty thirty, are you announced that before the
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  Speaker 6: election or is it go.
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  Speaker 5: From we achievable by twenty thirty?
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  Speaker 7: If you are a.
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  Speaker 1: Person of your word. Are you still seeking to the
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  Speaker 1: view that you will have a twenty thirty target above
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  Speaker 1: that twenty six or twenty ayell?
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  Speaker 2: Really the twenty thirty target for Australia is the big question.
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  Speaker 3: What utter rubbish?
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  Speaker 2: I mean for starters, it looks like labor won't even
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  Speaker 2: meet it's twenty thirty goal.
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  Speaker 8: We're about halfway there, but it's taken us the last
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  Speaker 8: twenty years to get halfway there.
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  Speaker 2: We've got you know, only five y used to get
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  Speaker 2: the other half and that looks really hard.
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  Speaker 7: Is it possible?
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  Speaker 1: Technically?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it looks to be very challenging.
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  Speaker 2: Some politicians actually tried to argue that this little issue
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  Speaker 2: of emissions reduction, accounting about what our goal is for
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  Speaker 2: six years time, it actually matters to the global climate.
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  Speaker 4: We know that Australia is a country which is some
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  Speaker 4: of the most exposed country to the bushfires, to the storms,
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  Speaker 4: to the floods that will impact us further with climate change.
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  Speaker 4: We know that twenty twenty three was already the hottest
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  Speaker 4: year on record, So we can't punt this off to
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  Speaker 4: twenty fifty. We need to act now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a til MP claiming Australia needs to
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  Speaker 2: meet its twenty thirty emissions goal in order to change
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  Speaker 2: the climate. She actually talks about an impact on bushfires
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  Speaker 2: and floods.
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  Speaker 3: This sort of stuff is misleading.
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  Speaker 2: It's so divorced from science and reality that it's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: Let me share some simple maths with you. Annual global
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  Speaker 2: carbon dioxide emissions now are running at more than thirty
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  Speaker 2: five thousand million tons, and to me, that's twenty thirty target.
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  Speaker 2: Australia needs to cut an extra seventeen million tons a year.
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  Speaker 2: That's zero point zero five percent of global emissions, or five.
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  Speaker 3: One hundredths of one percent.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, global emissions are growing by
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  Speaker 2: about four hundred million tons every year, or more than
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  Speaker 2: twenty times Australia's extra cuts for that twenty thirty target.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, whatever happens to Australia's twenty thirty target
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  Speaker 2: will not have the slightest sentilla of an impact on
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  Speaker 2: the climate. It cannot, It will not, It just won't
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  Speaker 2: make a difference. That's the scientific reality. But Allegraspender links
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  Speaker 2: this nonsentical debating point to this debating point to about
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty targets to bushfires and floods, and then she
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  Speaker 2: has the goal to say this.
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  Speaker 4: Shouldn't be least basically feeding the community untruth when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to what is the cause of their pain right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't go with the untruth.
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  Speaker 2: Say she was talking about power prices there and incredibly
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  Speaker 2: trying to blame higher power prices still on the Ukraine War.
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  Speaker 3: Again, this is wrong. Spender must know.
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  Speaker 2: She cannot not know that the reason power prices are
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  Speaker 2: so high in Australia is because of the rush to renewables,
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  Speaker 2: shutting down cheap reliable coal and investing hundreds of billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars on unreliable renewable energy.
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  Speaker 3: Look, it gets even sillier.
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  Speaker 2: Another Teal says, the liberals climate and energy policies mean
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  Speaker 2: they've given up on the Teal seats.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, it is one hundred percent my sense of things.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're given up on these inner city seats.
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  Speaker 5: This is a backward step. This is a wedge to
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  Speaker 5: try and win.
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  Speaker 4: I think the outer urban and other seats, but I
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  Speaker 4: think they have abandoned these inner city seats.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, do they really think their own voters are that dumb?
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  Speaker 2: So dumb that they can't work out the difference between
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  Speaker 2: power prices going down by two hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 2: dollars or going up by more than that.
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  Speaker 3: So dumb they don't.
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  Speaker 2: Notice the rising price of power, the falling reliability of supplies,
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  Speaker 2: the debates over the use of land for renewables, and
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the promised climate armageddon keeps passing us.
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  Speaker 2: By the reason the Teals one last time was because
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  Speaker 2: the government was on the nose. There was a horrible
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  Speaker 2: false narrative on so called women's issues for the Morrison
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  Speaker 2: government and there was no sensible alternative on climate and energy.
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  Speaker 2: This election will be very different. And Peter Dutton, well
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  Speaker 2: he's onto the Teals.
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  Speaker 8: Some of the Teals so they cry and Sophie Scompson
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  Speaker 8: that they will vote with Labour because they're Greens. They're
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  Speaker 8: not Teals, be very honest about it. They are more
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  Speaker 8: inclined to vote Labor, to support labor on every occasion,
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  Speaker 8: and that's their voting record in the Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely vote tills and Labor and the Greens. Now the
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  Speaker 2: camera bubble is trying to argue that Dutton is chasing
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  Speaker 2: suburban electorates at the expense of the Till seats. They
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  Speaker 2: ignore the fact that the Till seats were all Liberal
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  Speaker 2: seats when Abbott first promised to ax the carbon tax,
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  Speaker 2: and they were lost when Morrison matched Labour's climate zill
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  Speaker 2: Just maybe, just maybe, here, consider this for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Dutton and the Coalition maybe are running a sensible, practical
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  Speaker 2: climate and energy policy that can actually work, and that
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  Speaker 2: therefore people might vote for it no matter what color
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  Speaker 2: t shirts the candidates wear.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they'll have the choice.
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  Speaker 2: They can vote for that or they can vote for
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  Speaker 2: the world first renewables experiment being implemented by Chris Bowen.
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  Speaker 8: He's the guy who is the worst immigration minister since Federation.
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  Speaker 8: People drowned at sea, he put kids into detention. He
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  Speaker 8: was the architect of fuel Watch and Grocery Watch, which
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  Speaker 8: were disasters. Told people at the last at the election
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  Speaker 8: of twenty nine not to vote for the Labor Party
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  Speaker 8: if you weren't happy with them. I hope that he's
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  Speaker 8: able to give the same advice at the upcoming election
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  Speaker 8: as well. He's presided over an energy policy now which
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  Speaker 8: is a train wreck, let's be very honest, and it
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  Speaker 8: is causing harm to Australian businesses and it's causing harm
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  Speaker 8: to Australian families and that is not the path that
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  Speaker 8: we're going to be taking. So well, I take advice
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  Speaker 8: from Chris Bowen and an increasingly rattled and weak Prime Minister, No,
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  Speaker 8: I won't.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good debate to have a crucial one for
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  Speaker 2: the country. But just remember if you hear anyone trying
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  Speaker 2: to debate what percentage of Australia's one percent and falling
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  Speaker 2: of global emissions will be cut by twenty thirty, then
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  Speaker 2: as clear that person is playing politics and he's not
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  Speaker 2: actually interested in the real issues like energy, affordability, practicality
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  Speaker 2: and reliability. I talk a lot, as you know, about
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  Speaker 2: the war in Gaza and Israel's right to defend itself
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  Speaker 2: and recover its hostages and defeat Hummas, and I talk
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  Speaker 2: a lot about the lies and deceptions of the so
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  Speaker 2: called pro Palestinian protesters. Much of that is of course
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  Speaker 2: fueled by hatred and ignorance.
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  Speaker 3: Now at the core of this.
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  Speaker 2: Is Islamist extremism, but it's also fueled in the West
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  Speaker 2: by broader anti Semitism as well as the usual anti
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  Speaker 2: americanism we get from the hard left. Even a railing
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  Speaker 2: against the West, against Western civilization, which these morons portray
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  Speaker 2: as some malevolent force in human history, rather than the
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  Speaker 2: beacon of enlightenment, discovery, plurality, liberalism, and democracy.
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  Speaker 3: That it is.
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  Speaker 2: So, what I want to make very clear is that
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  Speaker 2: this is not just a debate about Israel. This is
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  Speaker 2: not just about the rights of Jews, even though if
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  Speaker 2: it were in their own right, of course, the fate
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  Speaker 2: of Israel and the Jews would still demand we stand
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  Speaker 2: up to humas and defeat them. But the sobering reality
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  Speaker 2: is that this is about all of us in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: and it's about freedom and liberal values in the UK
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  Speaker 2: and in Europe, and it's about keeping alive the American
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  Speaker 2: dream too. This is about defending Western liberal democracies from
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  Speaker 2: an Islamist extremist insurgency and an onslaught from leftist anarchists
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  Speaker 2: who share the goal of destroying democracy and capitalism and
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  Speaker 2: the established order. And the bad news is that we're
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  Speaker 2: not doing very well. We are surrendering our values, we're
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  Speaker 2: failing to call out hatred, and we're inviting the enemy,
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  Speaker 2: allowing those who want to destroy us to attack us
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  Speaker 2: with impunity.
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  Speaker 3: You only have to look at something like this.
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  Speaker 6: Your baby killer, your baby killing support Jenni Sade, You're
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  Speaker 6: going to be called out on it every time.
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  Speaker 9: Killer.
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  Speaker 2: That's in Toronto, Canada, Palestinian protesters harassing Jewish Canadians at
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  Speaker 2: their homes.
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  Speaker 3: And the chilling point is that the police are there
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  Speaker 3: just watching.
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  Speaker 2: On what is the point of the police If they
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  Speaker 2: don't protect Jewish people from this sort of hatred, who's safe?
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  Speaker 3: What other hatred will be allowed off the leash eventually? Now?
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  Speaker 2: Just look at the police in Australia too, in Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: in recent days, just accepting vile abuse from pro Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: protesters and doing nothing about it.
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  Speaker 3: This sort of stuff is everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to New York City where at the moment
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  Speaker 2: there's an exhibition on that commemorates the lives lost in
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  Speaker 2: that senseless hummus slaughter at the Nova Music Festival in
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  Speaker 2: Israel on October the seventh, and outside pro Palestinian protesters gathered.
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  Speaker 3: Just try and imagine the hatred here to push the
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  Speaker 3: cause of the terrorists.
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  Speaker 2: As people seek to seek to commemorate the terrorists' innocent victims,
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  Speaker 2: and again the police just stand by and watch. You
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  Speaker 2: see a pattern here, don't you Police forces in Western
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  Speaker 2: liberal democracies, the same police forces who in recent years
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  Speaker 2: have brutally enforced draconian pandemic laws. Well, they're standing back
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  Speaker 2: and they're watching the pro Palestinian pro Hamas anti Israel protesters,
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  Speaker 2: and they're often openly Islamist extremist.
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  Speaker 3: Activists as well. Well.
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  Speaker 10: Can't not do that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this episode is in London again, the police watch
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  Speaker 2: on as hatred runs a mark. This hatred, the hatred
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  Speaker 2: of Jews, the hatred of Zionus, the hatred of police,
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  Speaker 2: the hatred and intolerance of anyone with a different point
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  Speaker 2: of view is the very antithesis of what our democracies
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  Speaker 2: stand for and what they rely on. Yet these people
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  Speaker 2: use our tolerance to preach their intolerance.
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  Speaker 3: And they generate fear.
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  Speaker 2: We've had this in Australia too, and as you know,
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  Speaker 2: the police did nothing and we had an orgy of
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  Speaker 2: celebration over women and children slaughtered.
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  Speaker 7: I'm I'm smiling and I'm happy. That's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 3: And again the police did nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And our governments and police forces are so determined you'd
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  Speaker 2: reckon to trumpet their tolerance that they accept hateful intolerance,
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  Speaker 2: or are they scared of being branded Islamophobic or are
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  Speaker 2: they frightened of protesters turning to violence. If any of
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  Speaker 2: that's true, what's the point of the policing. Still, you
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  Speaker 2: can kind of understand the ambivalence of law enforcement authorities
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  Speaker 2: because our political leaders lack clarity. They still debate the
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  Speaker 2: war in Gaza as if it's a battle between two
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  Speaker 2: equally plausible views, as if Humas is a viable partner
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  Speaker 2: for negotiation, even though they're an Islamist terrorist organization committed
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  Speaker 2: to genocide and they show a daily lust for the
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  Speaker 2: slaughter of innocence. Political leaders have been weak in calling
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  Speaker 2: out Semitism too, and the key always to talk about
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  Speaker 2: and imagined Islamophobia. Political leaders are confused about what national
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  Speaker 2: or Western values actually.
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  Speaker 3: Are, so they're in no shape to protect them. They
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  Speaker 3: pussy foot around.
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  Speaker 2: It's little wonder that hard right politicians are now on
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  Speaker 2: the rise in Europe, in the UK, and in the
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  Speaker 2: US because the left of lost grip on reality and
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  Speaker 2: because too many traditional conservatives have gone with the woke zeitgeist.
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  Speaker 2: It's time to stand up for our values and our institutions,
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  Speaker 2: because there are many who want to tear them down.
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  Speaker 2: You show me a politician who demonstrates an understanding of
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  Speaker 2: this reality and has the strength and courage to follow
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  Speaker 2: through on it sensibly without sowing division, and I'll show
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  Speaker 2: you a world leader we sorely need. Look just on
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  Speaker 2: the rescue of the hostages yesterday, I want to show
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  Speaker 2: you an Israeli Defense Force body cam of that daring
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  Speaker 2: operation as it unfolded.
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  Speaker 3: This gives us a rare insight into the.
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  Speaker 2: Way special forces operate in that urban environment, surrounded by
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  Speaker 2: humas terrorists, but recovering the three male hostage hostages that
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  Speaker 2: they were after.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible stuff, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: The Israelis lost one soldier, But I just want to
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  Speaker 2: show you one little touch there.
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  Speaker 3: You might have missed.
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  Speaker 2: Those two blokes you saw huddled on the left were
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  Speaker 2: of course the hostages, and obviously they were scared and
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  Speaker 2: confused as gun shops ran out and their explosions set off,
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  Speaker 2: and the IDF soldiers were having to tell the hostages
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  Speaker 2: what was going on and that they were being rescued
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  Speaker 2: while they were shooting and taking cover.
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  Speaker 3: And just take a look at this.
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  Speaker 2: The soldier, in all that action and danger, managed to
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  Speaker 2: seal the deal with a reassuring fist bump to the hostage. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a fist bump. We've got your mate, We're here for you.
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  Speaker 2: Just amazing stuff, brave stuff that never forget. Don't forget.
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  Speaker 3: They are close to one hundred and twenty hostages still
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  Speaker 3: unaccounted for. Let's got to liberal MP Zoe Mackenzie, who
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  Speaker 3: joins us from Melbourne. Good to talk to you, Zoe.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to talk about these climate wars now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care how activist anyone is about the climate,
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  Speaker 2: and we're all vary, and you know how alarmed we
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  Speaker 2: are about the climate. But the whole world knows the
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  Speaker 2: goal that everyone signed up to is net zero by
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifty. So what on earth does it matter where
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  Speaker 2: Australia is in six years time in twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 11: Look, I think Peter Dutton's been really clear today, as
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  Speaker 11: have others been over the weekend, that indeed we are
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  Speaker 11: committed to the Powis Agreement and we are committed to
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  Speaker 11: net zero. We have a different approach from Labor as
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  Speaker 11: to how we will get there. We want all options
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  Speaker 11: on the table, including nuclear. We know there are problems
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  Speaker 11: with Labour's maths, we know that to get to this
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  Speaker 11: forty three percent by twenty thirty, eighty two percent of
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  Speaker 11: our energy has to come from renewable sources. Right now
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  Speaker 11: it's forty. So you do the maths and you tell
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  Speaker 11: me how we're going to get there in six years time.
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  Speaker 11: What we're saying is be sensible and for once, be honest.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 11: We're not the party of hypocrisy that goes out and
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  Speaker 11: promises the world and then fails to deliver winning government.
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  Speaker 11: I'm still waiting for my two hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 11: dollars reset of the cost of my energy bills rather
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  Speaker 11: than just a seventy five dollars handout every quarter. That
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  Speaker 11: won't reset anything. It won't make it any easier for
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  Speaker 11: the households and small businesses in my electorate who are
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  Speaker 11: getting squashed by energy bills twenty five percent in terms
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  Speaker 11: of gas and eighteen percent in terms of electricity. We
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  Speaker 11: are taking to the election a comprehensive energy and climate
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  Speaker 11: change plan that will reset the cost base and will
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  Speaker 11: make it more affordable. We're not going to shackle Australian
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  Speaker 11: industries and make it harder for Australian households.
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  Speaker 2: It just seems such an idiotic argument to argue about
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 3: But to stay in Paris, do you have to actually
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  Speaker 3: give a nod to that?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have to actually sign up as a government
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  Speaker 2: to a particular figure the twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 11: So everybody signed up to a particular target, and obviously
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  Speaker 11: through the COP process and I went to COP twenty
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  Speaker 11: seven in Egypt, there is pressure on everyone to stretch
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  Speaker 11: to do their best. But we now know, based on
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  Speaker 11: the maths, it looks like the EU will fail to
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  Speaker 11: get there, and so will the US. And just before
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  Speaker 11: Christy made some points in relation to Europe on the weekend,
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  Speaker 11: you kind of know. I'm a urofile. I speak French
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  Speaker 11: and German and pretty bad Spanish. But I was watching
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  Speaker 11: the French news yesterday and thirty one percent of people
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  Speaker 11: in Europe in sorry, in France voted for Jassemble Millness
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  Speaker 11: and which is the the furtherest right party in France.
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  Speaker 11: And the entire debate through the day from their politicians
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  Speaker 11: was about cost of living. So people are crying out
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  Speaker 11: for political parties that actually listen to them and say, hey,
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: what's going on? Bread is costing me fifteen percent more,
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: cheese is twenty three percent more. Ice cream is seventeen
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: percent more. If you look at the CPI between two
• 20:20
  Speaker 11: years ago and now, the basket of goods make nothing.
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: Almost nothing is going backwards. Everything is getting harder to afford,
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: and chief amongst it energy.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: This is the challenge for the coalition now is to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: outline your nuclear energy policy and one that can actually
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: make power cheaper. Now, you might better make that argument
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: for the long term a decade hence, but how are
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you going to get power prices down in.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: The medium term?
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Exactly?
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: And that's why we have an everything on the table
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: approach to the energy market. We also want to make
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: sure we incentivize and reward investment in a stable energy market.
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: We want all options on the table, not just two,
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: which is what we're trying to do with wind and solar.
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: That won't work in terms of baseload. We must have
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: a broader approach. You can see state governments already sort
• 21:09
  Speaker 11: of eking out a longer life for their coal fired power.
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: Let's just be honest about what we need. How we
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: get to twenty fifty net zero without destroying the Australian
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: economy on.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: The way there?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, Zoe, Thanks for joining us.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Zoe McKenzie there, Liberal MP joining us from Melbourne. I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: want to stick on the energy theme here for a moment.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about it an this year, we've
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: discussed a lot on this program. We've crossed to four
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: corners of the country, really looking at four Corners. Now,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: there's a fraudient slip. I'll come to that in a moment,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: but we've gone to communities where they're railing against transmission lines,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: against offshore wind projects, against wind turbine projects, against solar farms,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and interestingly, on the ABC last night, the Four Corners
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: program had to look at this issue. Now, do you
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: think they took their traditional stance of supporting communities who
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: were worried about developments ruining their environment.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: No, because this is about renewable energy.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: The ABC was very much in the case that somehow
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: these renewable energy projects should be able to stamped over
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the top of these pesky protesters.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: He's a little snippet of the program.
• 22:12
  Speaker 12: This post from Suzanne is clearly misleading. Even if the
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: offshore wind farm goes ahead, this is not the view
• 22:19
  Speaker 12: you'll ever see from the beaches of Geograph Bay. This
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: is one of Martin's posts it was actually blocked by
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: independent fact checkers. Says here that the post had no
• 22:32
  Speaker 12: basis in fact. Alongside legitimate concerns about marine life, a
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: post on everything from COVID conspiracies to climate change denihilism
• 22:43
  Speaker 12: and how offshore wind farms kill wales.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a turnaround for the books.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: The ABC actually criticizing the protesters who are trying to
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: stop developments. I want to go to environmentalists and photographer
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Stephen now Koskowski. Now we've caught up with him before
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: because he's campaigned against a wind farm projects in far
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: North Queensland. Good to speak to you seven. You were
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: featured in that four Corners programming. I found it mildly
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: amusing to suddenly see the ABC, instead of trumpeting the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: cause of protesters, we're trying.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: To sort of tear you down and undercut you.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They're suggesting that a lot of the protests against wind
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: farms and against offshore wind and against solar farms are
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: actually being supported by the fossil fuel industry.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: What did you make of all that?
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: Well, yeah, well I'm not supported by the fossil fuel industry,
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: that's for sure. It was a very it was a
• 23:38
  Speaker 13: hard it was very hard to be involved in that
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: program and it was a shame that it started off
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: with me being invited into Colin Boyce's electorate, but that's
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: what it is.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And I went to that electorate because I.
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: Wanted to learn what was going on in that electorate
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: in terms of renewable energy, and that particular electorate actually
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: has the largest number of proposed wind farms in the state.
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: And my background is cartography map making, and I've been
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: able to map where these projects are going across the
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: state and I will talk to anybody in anyone about
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: what's in the pipeline for Queensland. And one thing that
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: the ABC four corners didn't publish, which I did tell them,
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: is the data that I've accumulated and what we've what
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: we're seeing here in Queensland is well over four thousand
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: wind turbines that are proposed for the Great Dividing Range
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: of this state. That's going to deliver around twenty two
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: gigawatts of electricity at full at name plate capacity. And
• 24:39
  Speaker 13: you have to remember that wind turbines only general only
• 24:42
  Speaker 13: go at say twenty five thirty percent nameplate capacity or
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: capacity factor, so we need to really double or triple
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: that number to around four eight thousand turbines and above
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: just to keep the light signing Queensland on a summer's night.
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: And so it's of that sort of information that wasn't
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: portrayed in that program.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's talk.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: About the issue not so much four corners now because
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: they'll run their staff age. I just thought that was
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting in passing. But the key point here,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and the argument that was run by some of the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: people in that program and it's run out in the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: public debate, is that the government should be able to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: sort of fast track these renewable energy projects because while,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of course there's environmental damage to bush land where they
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: put wind turbines or the like, there's an environmental benefit
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: overall because of how it improves the climate. They're essentially
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: saying there should be a trade off. The climate benefits
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: should overweigh the distraction.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Of habitat and the like.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Now that this is something that you must be absolutely
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: focused on, do you buy that argument at all?
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: For me, there's no compromise. You can't save the climate
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: by destroying forests. The first thing you do, the first
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: thing we must do to tackle the climate crisis is
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: you keep trees in the ground and you keep existing
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: forests intact and by diverse city functioning. Because the backstop
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: to climate change is biodiversity. We need to keep bidiversity.
• 26:07
  Speaker 13: And what's happening in Queensland is our biodiversity is actually
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: in the hilltops, the remnant forests, the remnant mountaintops where
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: there hasn't been any clearing, and it's those places that
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: are now being targeted by the wind industry. And so
• 26:21
  Speaker 13: it's an oxymoron to think that we can clear forest
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: to save the climate. And that's what we're seeing here
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: in Queensland. And another thing that four Corners didn't publish
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: is the fact that we've mapped one hundred and fourteen
• 26:33
  Speaker 13: thousand hectares of classified remnant forests in Queensland to be
• 26:38
  Speaker 13: impacted upon with this role out of renewables in the
• 26:41
  Speaker 13: pipeline right now, the four thousand turbines, and it's a
• 26:45
  Speaker 13: complete it's a complete I just shake my head in
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: disbelief that we're going down this path.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: We will keep in touch with you, Stephen and on
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: these issues, and I'm envious of you.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I like your location better than mine. I'm just at
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: the moment it looks just beautiful.
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: Nugga Nugger National Park.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you and stuff Stephen now Koskowski there the National
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Park up at Coranda in the Coinsland.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Beautiful stuff.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break Christy mcsweey and Stephen
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Sena Tiempo, we'll talk about the coalition's.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Push for labor to get tougher on people smugglers.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Let's get into our panel now with Christy McSweeney, Managing
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Director of PR Council and also two do See Breakfast
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: host Stephen Senate Tempo in Canberra. Thanks both for joining us. Christy,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: let's get your thoughts first. An amazing story this week
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: when it comes to people smugglers. People smugglers that are
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: apprehended by Australian authorities sometimes handed back to Indonesia. They
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: don't face charges in Australia and they don't face prosecution
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: in Indonesia either. This is obviously not good enough, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: good on James Patterson for saying we shall be able
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to do something about this. We'd better charge them in
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: our count if they're not going to be prosecuted in
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: their home country.
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: Certainly, I don't know how many examples of people who
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: we do hand back that commit crimes or are found
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: to commit crimes against Australian law or in Australian soil
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: or in Australian waters, that we hand back to their
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: home country that are not prosecuted. But I'm sure that
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: it seems to be a significant problem if it's been
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: raised by Senator Patterson. This is absolutely against the relationships
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: of intelligence sharing around combating people smuggling that we have
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: with Indonesia, around a number of defense and operational intelligence
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: sharing that we have. It flies in the face of
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: the good faith endeavors of Australia to work with Indonesia
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: on people smuggling. If we're simply catching people here in
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: Australia and handing them back to the Indonesians and they're
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: not facing prosecution, there is no deter it for people
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: to not go out and continue engaging in these practices.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just nuts, isn't it, Stephen.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: It's a classic example of how Indonesia can let us
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: down sometimes in this relationship. But obviously there's been at
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: least one confirmed case recently. So this bloke goes back
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to Indonesia. Why wouldn't you just get another boat and
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: give it another crack.
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, And look, I guess from the Indonesian's perspective, they'd
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: rather that we look after the problem of the people's smuggling,
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: not only the people smugglers but the asylum seekers themselves
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: than they have to. But I think Senator James Patterson's
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: idea of charging them here on Australian soil, you would
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: you wouldn't have to charge or lock up too many
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: of them for the message to get back to say
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: that this isn't the way to do things. The reality
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: is that when you send a message to the people
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: smugglers that we are soft and that's what we're doing
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: at the moment, this is the kind of the boat's
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: start again. And I think the idea of actually charging
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: them on Australian soil and maybe even locking them up
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: here is a good move because it sends the message
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: back that you know, shut the b is down, because
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: if you arrive in Australia you will get sent to jail.
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: You don't only have to lock through or four of
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: them up and that'll be it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Indeed, let's get on to the climate wars what the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Left light to call the climate wars, the.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Climate and energy debate We've been talking about it for
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: twenty years.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm glad it's on Christi because it's about a
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: real policy issue that matters to this country.
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: It's about a real problem that matters to Australians. Christin
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: finding a policy, a policy solution that's realistic, that's not
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: over promising, and that's quite frankly not setting up setting
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: Australia up to fail domestically and internationally. I think it's
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: demonstrated that it's a fallacy that we can get to
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: eighty odd percent of renewable energy by twenty thirty. We
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: have the government absolutely failing to negotiate with industry on
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: a transition plan. They seem to be implementing these targets
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: by stealth. The number of other countries around the world
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: that are arguably going to fail as well, and people
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: can't pay their bills.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Labour seem to think it's a great argument for them,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: but I reckon this is exactly the argument Peter Dutton
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: wants here.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: He is today.
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: We know that with the energy policy, which is a
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: complete train wreck, the renewable is only energy policy of
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: the government, it's driving prices up. At the next election,
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: it will be about who do you trust to bring
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: your electricity prices down? It will be about who do
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: you trust to manage the economy and to deal with
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: the cost of living crisis that Labour's created. It will
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: be about who do you trust to deal with the
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: housing crisis that labor has created in our country.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, Stephen, almost a campaign slogan lines there from Peter Dutton,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: But this is an argument he wants because Labour's record
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: is abysmal.
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, and I think the difference in the arguments is stuck.
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: He's saying who do you trust to bring your energy
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: prices down? There saying who do you trust to meet
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: some pie in the sky target that has been set
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: by somebody else? And the reality is with these targets
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: And what really annoys me about this is it's such
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: a non debate because none of the targets are achievable
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: and they mean nothing. They're not scientific based in science.
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: They're plucked out of somebody's backside and it's almost like
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: two kids in the school yard arguing about whose bike
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: is faster. Forget about targets and emissions. Let's talk about
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: cleaner energy and keeping the lights on. And that's what
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: Peter Dutton is saying, I'll bring your energy prices down,
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: I'll keep the lights on and yet we'll be environmentally
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: friendly in the process. But let's not get bogged down
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: and these numbers that mean nothing.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Well, as I showed at the top of the program,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: the debate about the twenty thirty thirty target is absolutely meaningless.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: It's a drop in the ocean when it comes to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: global emissions and it just actually scientifically means nothing. But
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: labor and the Greens and the tills are pretending it's
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: going to lead to some sort of climate arm Again,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: it's embarrassing for them. They're taking voters for absolute mugs.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: But Christy, you're in the Victoria at the and there's
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: one story that caught my e in the last twenty
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: four hours was about a survey of people being worried
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: about blackouts and they're showing that Victorians are more worried
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: about blackouts than others.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Now this is obvious, right because Victoria has.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Faced blackouts on hot days and it's in Victoria and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: South Australia where their most exposed to those summer heat
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: waves and a lot of wind energy, not enough coal
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and gas left.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Queensland and New South Wales.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Much less likely to get these blackouts for now because
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: there's still.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of the reliable generation around.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: But come February and March in Victoria and South Australia,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: look out.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And of course governments, the governments are worried about
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: running out of power as well, and that not resonating
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: with the next zero targets that labor governments have set
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: for themselves. And just on the last point, one thing
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: that Peter Dutton didn't say in response to the Prime
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: Minister's press conference yesterday was but Labor is in the
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: business of extending the life of cold fired power stations
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: and that, above anything else, demonstrates the fact that we
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: do not have enough base load power in this country.
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: Victorians know it and South Australians know it too because Victoria,
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: they're drawing from the grid from Victoria. This is a
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: state that is bad gas. This is a state that
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: has banned fracking and cold steam gas. This is a
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: state that won't touch the exploration of its gas reserves
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: again to meet targets that the state possibly can't meet
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: to cater for the growing population.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're out of time with Steve, and I know
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you can sit there smuggly knowing in the Act you're
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: using one hundred percent renewable energy, which is absolute. Steven
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Senta Tiempo and Christy McSweeney, thanks very much. Of course,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the Act can't run on a hundred percent renewable They
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: have a.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Lead in getting that cold coal fired power from New
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: South Wales when things run low.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Now, after the breakdown, to catch up with Paul Murray,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I'm keen to get his take on the latest news
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: poll also across to the States where a majority of
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: voters now are in favor of deporting illegal migrants. Let's
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: tap into the great Paul Murray. We normally catch up
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: with him on Mondays, but he couldn't make it yesterday.
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: Mate.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I was very very keen to get your take on
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: news poll neck and neck now and preferred Prime minister
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: coming closer and closer. Albo, who likes to dismiss Peter Dutton,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: is in a bit of strife.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: Well, he is in the exact same position that the
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: people who said John Howard, never, Tony Abbott, never, all
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: of the people who are part of the ecosystem of
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: talking about politics who want to maintain their access in
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: and around this government, you know, the ones who told
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: us Andrew Giles doesn't matter and the budget was brilliant
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: and all of that stuff. Right, the reality is the
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: past two weeks of this pole when you look at that,
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: what happened in two weeks right in this poll, it
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: was the endless dysfunction around immigration and all of the
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: talk about the benefits of the budget have completely melted away. Now,
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: conventional wisdom suggests that well, because of the tiels, there's
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: no way the Libs can get there at fifty to
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: fifty in a primary rate of thirty nine percent. If
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: preference discipline exists to the right through parties like One
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: Nation and UAP, maybe it's a lot closer than anyone thinks.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: But the idea of the PM, and I was going
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: to say, sorry, I'm taking too long, I've got my
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: own whole hour, is that the PMS also has exposed
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: this idea that he wanted to say, I'm never going
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: to admit a mistake and I'm never going to sack Giles.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: I'll exhaust you if you try to attack me. But
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: guess what Australia saw that for the.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Incompetence that it was.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was going to go to that word
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: in competence. I always say what people want most from
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: governance is competence. And this shows complete incompetence on a
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: really important issue of immigration.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: And the trouble is he thinks he can ignore it
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: all the time. Well, this is an issue that doesn't
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: go away.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Because there's another criminal detainee commits another alleged offense, or
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: there's another court case, or there's another stuff up.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So he's got trouble with this one. He might need
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: to just cut his losses well and again.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Right, So he is trying to send the message to
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: the opposition even if you've got us red handed, we'll
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: never admit it and we'll just straight back until you die.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: The problem is everyone is watching you. Forgive the unforgivable.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Right Katie Gallaher lied to the Senate.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Should have gone?
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: Should have this was a better government? Oh no, no,
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: we'll stick with her, but we'll change the subject. Andrew Giles,
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: he matters on the numbers, so he'll stick around. And
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: therefore that they look weak. But I thought Peter Dutton
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: today and let's go to that. Let's go very quickly.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Here's a little bit of Peter Dutton today.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I take advice from Chris Bowen and increasingly rattled
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: and weak prime Minister.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: No, I won't a rattled and weak prime minister. He's
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: hitting his line in length, isn't he?
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Well, this is it?
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: So you've got so apartment anything else. Reality is politics.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: While you and I can you know, and everyone watching,
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: we love to count the number of grains of sand
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: there are on the beach. For most people, if there's
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: a beach, and then they move past right so that
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: the fight becomes weaken, rattled versus divisive. And at the moment,
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: Peter Dutton is the one who's growing and albow is
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: shrinking in the office.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Spot On, Paul Murray, spot on with your analysis. Can't
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: wait to see more at nine o'clock. The Great Man
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: back PM Live at nine o'clock. I want to head
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to the States in just a moment because the open
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: border issue remains huge, with a new poll showing that
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: sixty two percent of voters support Donald Trump's plan to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: deport all migrants who are living illegally in the US.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: This tends to suggest that Trump is onto a winner
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: with his border policies.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I took it up with Kristen Tate.
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  Speaker 14: Yes, of course, I wasn't surprised at all when I
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: saw that, Paul. What's surprising to me is that there's
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: more than thirty percent of Americans who don't want to
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: see deportations happen.
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  Speaker 5: Chris, We've seen over eight billion.
• 39:00
  Speaker 14: Illegal aliens have encounters with border patrol under Joe Biden.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: That's the population of New York City.
• 39:07
  Speaker 14: Millions more have come into the country that have not
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: had any encounters with border patrol and are living in
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: the country somewhere we don't know where. So of course
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: we need to see deportations. My question is why didn't
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: Trump do this during his first term. I'm glad to
• 39:24
  Speaker 14: see him running on this now, but this has been
• 39:26
  Speaker 14: a problem that's existed far before Joe Biden, Joe Biden's term,
• 39:30
  Speaker 14: or even President Trump's presidency. Remember Trump ran on immigration
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: in twenty sixteen, So I hope if he's elected, Trump
• 39:37
  Speaker 14: will actually do it this time, because deportations are the
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: only way that this problem is going to actually be solved.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's going to be a disincentive. Australia knows this
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: more than many other countries. You have to have a
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: disincentive to illegal migration. Otherwise it escalates out of control.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I just want to show you grab from US television
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: US here which illustrates the point on a couple of levels.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: This is a television interviewer, a reporter down and near
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the border.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Have a look.
• 40:07
  Speaker 14: We've been talking to migrants from all over the world
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: arriving here into the San Diego sector.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I talked to one man from Turkey. Here's what he
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: had to say. What do you think of President Biden? Biden?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Why do you love Biden? Because Biden belve Why do
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: you love them?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Biden?
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Help us.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Christy.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: This is extraordinary on two levels and shows the dimensions
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: of the problem.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: One is this blokes from Turkey.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: This is not just about you know, poor but Devil's
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Central Americans trying to get into the US.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: This is people from all over the world.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Going to Mexico so they can easily get across to
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the US, which shows the dimensions of the problem from
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: that angle. But secondly, of course it's just the view
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: of the US and the boden As bring a soft touch,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: He'll let them in.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Well, they're correct. I mean I would be doing the
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: same thing if I were them. This is the time
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: to come.
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: If you want to come because we have a president
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: who is not only just not dealing with the problem,
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: but actively encouraging the problem. Flights are full of migrants
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: from across the world who are flying to Mexico so
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: that they can walk over the border. The whole thing
• 41:24
  Speaker 14: is a sham, Chris, and the Democrats keep saying, we
• 41:27
  Speaker 14: need more money for border patrol, so we keep giving
• 41:29
  Speaker 14: them more money. But guess what, Border patrol has become
• 41:32
  Speaker 14: a big welcome committee. I know a lot of border
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: patrol agents. I used to be a reporter down on
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: the border there McCallan, Texas. They all tell me their
• 41:41
  Speaker 14: hands are tied. They are being given orders from the
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: federal government, from their higher ups to basically facilitate this
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: process and just continue bringing them across and getting them
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: into the system and giving them a court date that
• 41:55
  Speaker 14: many of these migrants never show up to.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: So getting more border patrol agents on the ground is
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: not really solving this problem.
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: In fact, in some ways it's making it worse, but
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: facilitating the process of actually welcoming these people in and
• 42:08
  Speaker 14: allowing them to disappear into the country.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hell of a mess.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to some of the court issues that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: have a political dimension, and this one, of course, is
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden's trial on firearms offenses.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: The jury's out.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Give us the lightest on this, that's right, The jury
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: is out right now.
• 42:27
  Speaker 14: Apparently under Biden could be looking at prison time if
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: he is found guilty of the charges he's facing with
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: his illegal firearm purchase.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: But look, we all have.
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: Seen over the last few years that we live in
• 42:40
  Speaker 14: a country in America where the justice system is two tiered.
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: If you're a Democrat, you can get away with practically anything.
• 42:47
  Speaker 14: If you're a Republican, they will throw the book at
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: you and invent new laws and rules that only apply
• 42:53
  Speaker 14: to you if you're a Republican. So do I think
• 42:55
  Speaker 14: that Hunter Biden's going to see any prison time?
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Doubtful? Doubtful.
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: And meanwhile, the media is not covering it here at all.
• 43:03
  Speaker 14: You ask any person on the street, they have no
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: idea this trial is even going on.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Chris, fair enough. We will see what happens. The jury
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: will come back in coming days, no doubt. Look, I've
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: got to indulge you here, Christian. You're our political commentator,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: but this has got nothing to do with politics. I'm
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: relying on you for a bit of commentary on good
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: old fashioned Americana, especially given you've spent a lot of
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: time in Texas. You know about what goes on in
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a rodeo. Have a look at what unfolded in a
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: rodeo this week in Oregon.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Shocking stuff.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Two people in hospital at this stage, Christian, But you
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: don't expect the bull to jump the fence.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: That's a pretty nimble ball.
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: Then, oh yeah, that's a crazy video, you know. Prayers
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: to all those who are hurt. I've read the victims
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: are going to fully recover, thank god. The big lesson
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: from this video, Chris is do not wear bright red
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: to any kind of event where there's a bull. That
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: lady who got thrown into the air was wearing a
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: bright red shirt. Thank God, she's going to fully recover.
• 44:19
  Speaker 14: But yeah, don't wear red to any event where there
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: is a bull. I also thought it was interesting all
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: the news reports about this. So the incident wasn't enough
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: to stop the show. So apparently the show continued after
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: this major terrifying incident.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: So that's America for you. The show must go on.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: The show much go on, and don't wear red even
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: if you're just out the back eating a hot dog.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Kristen, thank you very much.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Chris.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, none of that of the cannable rodeo. I'm pleased
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to say, don't go after the bright. We're going to
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: catch up with the Blogga to the Nation, Tim Blir
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: We're going to show you some dancing or something, Joey Biden.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Blooder of the Nation and Daily
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Telegraph columnist Tim Blair.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Tim.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I've been talking a lot about the climate wars, or
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the climate and energy debate. I love it because it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: an issue that really matters, and there's so much madness
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: in it, and you've written it about it in the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Telly Today.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I love you column as usual.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Lots of serious points made, but plenty of laughs along
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the way. And you point out, of course that Albanize's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: trying to say, we're not going to use cole, we're
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: not going to use gas, and we're not going to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: use nuclear, but we'll keep the lights on.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great equation. You know in magic land this is
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: going to happen. You know, in fantasy world, we're obviously
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Albanzi lives these days. These things are achievable. One of
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the reasons obviously that Albanesi and the Labour Party in general,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Chris Bowen particularly are so distressed about the re emergence
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: of the climate wars is they can't win it. That
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: logic will always defeat them. They might win a electorally
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: for a cycle or two or half a cycle, that
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: eventually comes down to, as you were saying last night,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Chris on the show, it eventually comes down to the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: fact that Australia can't change the weather. We can't in
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it one way or the other. And that's where the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: climate wars will always end. And that's why these people
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: will always that's the point at which they get called
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to account and they don't like it, mate.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why you're so right.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: The facts matter and that's why Dutton is up for
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: this fight and he's going to have a serious policy
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: as an alternative.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: I do love one particular.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Phrase you dropped into your column, and that is that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull is Australia's first male till you've nailed him
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: in a phrase.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and notice he's comeback as well. We've got Malcolm
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: back on the screens rather more often than was ever
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: needed getting upset again on the same issue. The climate
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: wars are over. This guy is literally fighting a battle
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that he didn't win when he was PM and when
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: he was opposition. He's going for a trifector and he's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: not even in the race.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: He always turns up on the ABC, as Chris Bowen does,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and he's quite amusing too. He's written a piece about
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump being a narcissist.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Well, game recognizes game.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: As the kids say, now, speaking about us, the US president,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: we've got to show the president incumbent. They celebrated Juneteenth
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: in America over the last twenty four hours, very important
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: day for African.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Americans to celebrate, So.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of great music and jiving and all that
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: was happening at the White House.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Just have a look at the president dancing at the
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: White House. They wieled out the wrong Biden. They wieled
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: out the cryogenic Biden.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: White men can't move at all.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that, I know that.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: We white guys are often criticized, in my case perfectly
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: reasonably for being poor dancers. But we at least make
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: an effort. And also look at the guy on the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: on the left of the picture. There we've got a
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: chap in a dress. Who is a chap? That's an interesting,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: interesting scenario that maybe Biden caught a glimpse of that
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: before and that's why he's.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Been reds in marks hit myself sort of a stun gun.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: But it's okay because he took the microphone and by
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: that stage he was making everything absolutely clear.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: He knows so long as he was nine, I freedom
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: can never be secured. There you have it. There's all
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: summed up for you.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yep. I'm not sure what course he was on at
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: that time, but you really shouldn't speak when you're eating.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Chris just just it's just poor manners. He sounded like
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you get a mouthful of squid going on.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Ah, the frozen Biden eating his squid and trying to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: speak sense.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: It's embarrassing. Thanks for joining us, Tim will catch him
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: later in the week.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Just want to finish up with some of your feedback
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: from last night's program when I talked to you about
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the hostages being freed in Israel over the weekend. From
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Guarsabeth says, shame on Hummaus and shame on anyone supporting
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Palestine home of Hummus rule, and also Veronica says, if
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you keep hostages at your place, you are not a civilian.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Another viewer says, God, bless Israel. The good people
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: of the world stand with you.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: They need to know that well said, and another viewer says,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: bless you and thank you to me for honest, sincere
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: and straight reporting. Absolutely, we say it how it is
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: and the people of Israel deserve support, not being demonized
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: around the world. Thanks for joining me. I'll be back
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Another Crack of Jack program for you then.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, here's Steve Price filling in for
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Peter Quitlin.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Cheers.