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It's How SpaceX Does Business · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: The news, opinions, commentary, and interviews. You need to start
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  Speaker 1: your day. You're listening to The West Carrol Morning Show.
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, eleventh day of March. I'm West Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: joining me. I feel a little foolish. Yesterday I forgot
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  Speaker 2: to mention it was Mario Day, March tenth, m a
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  Speaker 2: R one. Oh, Mario Day. I did spend some time
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  Speaker 2: playing Donkey Kong yesterday, because you know, he was jump
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  Speaker 2: Man then, but he was still Mario. I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: I missed out on talking about Mario Day. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're a big Mario family. We're a big Nintendo family here.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we do. Goes back to my love for
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  Speaker 2: Donkey Kong in part at least. I was talking with
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  Speaker 2: Jake recently about the great video games of all time,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna go real nerdy with it now,
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  Speaker 2: but I meant this like five that I think you
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  Speaker 2: could make a case for now. This isn't the place
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  Speaker 2: for it. We could have this conversation another time, but
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  Speaker 2: I certainly think that Donkey Kong and Super Mario Brothers.
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  Speaker 2: You got Mario Brothers. There was a chain of order
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  Speaker 2: there with the origin of Mario as Jumpman, and then
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  Speaker 2: the Mario Brothers, then the Super Mario Brothers, which is
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  Speaker 2: the game. I mean, that's the thing that spawned all
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  Speaker 2: the others. But you have to go back to Donkey
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  Speaker 2: Kong for the beginnings of this character. So there's a
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  Speaker 2: conversation there at least for that branch of the tree.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Yes, there's some others. The reason we were
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  Speaker 2: discussing is we were discussing Tetris, and I certainly think
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  Speaker 2: Tetris is one of those five. So I know, you
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  Speaker 2: want to know what the other five are. Maybe another show,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a little special add on, we'll do that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, all right. There were a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: I want to jump into this morning, though, because I
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  Speaker 2: saw I saw sort of a moment of coverage about
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  Speaker 2: a particular news story, and I'll say this, the coverage
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  Speaker 2: from the left to the media on the left was awful.
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  Speaker 2: The coverage of the coverage by the folks on the
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  Speaker 2: right almost as bad. I mean, it was pretty poorly done.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's one of those situations and I
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  Speaker 2: can't pretend that I haven't been there before. Certainly, when
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  Speaker 2: you're doing live radio, a topic comes up and or
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  Speaker 2: you get proposed like what do you think about this topic?
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  Speaker 2: And then it's there, and then you have to quickly
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  Speaker 2: on the fly come up with your response to it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'll just say this, I don't there were elements of
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  Speaker 2: what the coverage I saw was, and so it was MSNBC,
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  Speaker 2: I think, was the main network that they were critical of,
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  Speaker 2: and then it was one of the shows on Fox
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  Speaker 2: and it was one of those multi multi host things.
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  Speaker 2: I happened to be watching a little bit of it
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  Speaker 2: while I was having my lunch yesterday, and it's whatever
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  Speaker 2: the as it out numbered I think is what it's called.
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  Speaker 2: There's like four women and a man and they're outnumbered.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was it. I like to attribute the
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  Speaker 2: right show, but I'm not overly familiar with all of
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  Speaker 2: the shows, and I've told you I like my ideas
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  Speaker 2: to be my ideas, and sometimes I get a nugget
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  Speaker 2: like this where I can say they just also got
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  Speaker 2: it wrong to double down on how badly MSNBC covered it.
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  Speaker 2: And the story in question is this latest explosion as
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  Speaker 2: SpaceX working towards building the rocket that they say, you
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  Speaker 2: know it is going to eventually take us to Mars,
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  Speaker 2: and this is their massive rocket with their starship on top.
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  Speaker 2: And the idea here, of course, is you have to
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  Speaker 2: you have to test these rockets, you have to launch
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  Speaker 2: these rockets. And as Elon Musk will often say, rockets
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  Speaker 2: are hard, there's a reason why. And this is now me,
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  Speaker 2: not him, but there's a reason why it's referred to to.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people say it ain't rocket science, because it is.
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  Speaker 2: Rocket science is very difficult. So I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: in any way inaccurate for him to say that. Now.
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  Speaker 2: He is not someone who really let me just get
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  Speaker 2: it this way. SpaceX and trying to launch and develop
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  Speaker 2: this starship craft. They use a methodology for how and
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  Speaker 2: we talk about this on my podcast Made of Stars.
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  Speaker 2: I do this with doctor Seawan Cruise, and Sean can
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  Speaker 2: really break this whole methodology down for you, and we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about it many times. I don't know if we'll
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  Speaker 2: discuss this very topic on Thursday this week, but every
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  Speaker 2: Thursday new episode is Made of Stars. Wherever you get
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  Speaker 2: this podcast, you can also get Made of Stars, and
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  Speaker 2: that one we don't dive into politics. We try to
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  Speaker 2: keep that one largely about what's going on in space
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  Speaker 2: and on Earth as it pertains to space. That's what
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  Speaker 2: we try to do with may of Stars, and we
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  Speaker 2: try to have fun when we do it. And in
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  Speaker 2: that case, he's the brains. I get to be you
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  Speaker 2: and ask the questions like, well, wait a minute. So
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  Speaker 2: the way SpaceX does things, it's a private company, so
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  Speaker 2: the wave that they conduct themselves is different than the
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  Speaker 2: way NASA would conduct themselves. When it comes to launches,
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  Speaker 2: SpaceX is able to launch more frequently. SpaceX, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: they launch about every two days, sometimes less than every
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  Speaker 2: two days. And they are they I think, I think
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  Speaker 2: I saw where they are attributed to ninety percent of
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  Speaker 2: the launches from planet Earth. Think about that. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's start baseline for that. And I don't expect
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  Speaker 2: the crew from Outnumbered necessarily to know that stat and
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  Speaker 2: have it in the hip pocket. I didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: look it up. I've just I've heard the stat and
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  Speaker 2: ninety percent. And I believe, if I remember correctly, China
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  Speaker 2: is five percent, and then the other five percent is
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  Speaker 2: everyone else, including anything else launched from US. Soil of
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  Speaker 2: things launched into space, rockets going up come at the
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  Speaker 2: hands of SpaceX. So a couple of rockets blowing up
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  Speaker 2: in the midst of testing this new craft, this starship.
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  Speaker 2: You can't say that the company is a giant failure.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's what the perception now has become for the
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  Speaker 2: folks on the left. They hate Elon Musk. They're going
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  Speaker 2: to attack him at every possible level, anything that they
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  Speaker 2: can do to go after him. They have sort of
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  Speaker 2: done the same kind of thing that happened with Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump with telling people that he's a Nazi, he's dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue, based on what we have seen with
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  Speaker 2: the United Healthcare CEO with two at least two there
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  Speaker 2: were others, but two high profile attempts on Donald Trump's life,
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  Speaker 2: and now there have been people who have you know,
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  Speaker 2: blown up a Tesla dealership and all these things. Two
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  Speaker 2: people that were taken into custody. I think in Texas
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  Speaker 2: that we're trying to go after Elon Musk to kill him.
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  Speaker 2: So I would argue, I think it's justified. Maybe not criminally,
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  Speaker 2: but you can make a case that when people are
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  Speaker 2: referring to someone as a Nazi as a danger to society,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, potentially more dangerous than potentially more dangerous
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  Speaker 2: than Hitler or Stalin any of these kind of things
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  Speaker 2: that get thrown around. I would argue that you could
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  Speaker 2: make a case that you're trying to get the person killed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that seems to be a strategy now when
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  Speaker 2: we went through this with the United Healthcare guy, because
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  Speaker 2: he was assassinated in broad daylight on the street and
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  Speaker 2: people defended him and they said, ah, that's because he
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  Speaker 2: had a healthcare claim they wouldn't cover. He didn't even
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  Speaker 2: have coverage with United Healthcare. But we get this perception
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  Speaker 2: of they're bad, these people are bad that work at
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  Speaker 2: these healthcare companies, and someone just snapped, I guess. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. He seemed pretty organized about the whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, people have a tendency sometimes to snap.
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  Speaker 2: And it almost seems like we're doing this Manchurian candidate thing,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it where it's like you got him there and
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  Speaker 2: you're just trying to find that little thing that activates them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to go down the conspiracy hole. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just pointing out the fact that we seem to have
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  Speaker 2: people that have this call to action in their verbiage
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  Speaker 2: and in their words, and they want to have Elon
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  Speaker 2: Musk killed. They do. There are some that do they
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  Speaker 2: think he's the worst person ever, and he's bringing about
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  Speaker 2: the end of all of their little money laundering schemes
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  Speaker 2: and all of their little things that they're doing. Where
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  Speaker 2: oh my and I talked about this at length yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I could have done more on it, but it really
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  Speaker 2: feels like people that are worried about ultimately what's going
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  Speaker 2: to be their pension plan. And it's not a traditional
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  Speaker 2: pension plan. It's the how much money can I hold
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  Speaker 2: up for the future, how much money can I give
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  Speaker 2: my wife who's going to run this organization, how much
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  Speaker 2: money can we move around From a strategic standpoint politically,
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  Speaker 2: we want to really dive into the Stacy Abrams thing.
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  Speaker 2: How about this company that she's trying to they're working
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  Speaker 2: on carbon and that's what they wanted, carbon emissions or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and they got a bunch of money from the government
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  Speaker 2: to give free appliances to families in a town in Georgia. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to upgrade your kitchen and look at how
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  Speaker 2: much less how much more fuel efficient, and how much
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  Speaker 2: less money you're going to spend because of these great
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  Speaker 2: new appliances that we Stacy Abrams and associates are giving you.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the name of the company. But when in
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  Speaker 2: reality taxpayers played for it, and that's not like if
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  Speaker 2: it's not if we're not talking about an MNGO, or
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  Speaker 2: we're not talking about one of these side companies. The
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  Speaker 2: government can't just do that. You can't just get money
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  Speaker 2: from the government. Hey, we're going to give this to
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  Speaker 2: these people in the form of these appliances. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to take good care of them, and then they'll be
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  Speaker 2: there for the votes later. I've told this story a
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  Speaker 2: few times, it's probably worth repeating again. I used to
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  Speaker 2: work with somebody who told me when they were a kid,
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  Speaker 2: they lived in the Atlanta area and their family got
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  Speaker 2: a free house from a government program in Atlanta, and
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  Speaker 2: because the mayor was part of them getting this freehouse,
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  Speaker 2: decided for life they were voting Democrat. Don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: not a real thing. There is a strategy. They people
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  Speaker 2: don't do these things by accident. If someone showed up
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  Speaker 2: at my house and said, we're going to give you
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  Speaker 2: all new appliances for your kitchen, here's a new car,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, let's put you in a new house,
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  Speaker 2: woun't you feel a little bit obligated maybe to vote
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  Speaker 2: for them. Had many conversations with that former coworker about
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  Speaker 2: that very thing. I thought it was fascinating. It didn't
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  Speaker 2: surprise me. It was interesting to actually hear somebody put
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  Speaker 2: it in those words and be really honest about it.
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  Speaker 2: This is what Elon Musk is a threat to one
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  Speaker 2: of their strategies, one of the ways that they say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to win these battleground states. They have all
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  Speaker 2: these little tricks and plans, employees in place, behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 2: these little ways that they want to do this, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's moving illegals around the battleground states knowing that eventually
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  Speaker 2: they're going to get their chance to vote and it's
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  Speaker 2: like a seventy eighty percent turnover rate that they're probably
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  Speaker 2: going to vote Democrat. That's that's what they want. That's
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  Speaker 2: the play, right, that's where they want to go. But
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  Speaker 2: if Trump says, hey, we're shutting down the border, if
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  Speaker 2: Elon Musk says, hey, we're shutting down all these NGOs,
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  Speaker 2: this money going to these NGOs and these programs. But
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  Speaker 2: but they want him killed some of them do, not
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  Speaker 2: all of them, some of them do. They all want
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  Speaker 2: to see him fail. And apparently MSNBC decided that this
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  Speaker 2: latest explosion for SpaceX, oh what a failure. He should
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  Speaker 2: focus more of his time and attention on SpaceX and
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  Speaker 2: quit worrying about trying to ruin America. So a few things,
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  Speaker 2: and then of course the ladies on Fox jumped in
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  Speaker 2: and said, oh, you know, how could you want an
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  Speaker 2: American business to fail? That's terrible. Maybe this is another
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  Speaker 2: take SpaceX. Yes it belongs to Elon Musk. Yes, he
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  Speaker 2: is ultimately the top dog. He doesn't run the company.
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  Speaker 2: He's not the chief operating officer. I mean, technically he's
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  Speaker 2: in charge. Gwinn Shotwell is the CEO of the company.
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  Speaker 2: It's a woman. She's been very successful in her role there.
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  Speaker 2: Gwen Shotwell is a very successful business woman and an engineer.
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  Speaker 2: And yes she runs SpaceX. It's not like he's there
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  Speaker 2: all the time. We've established he has other things. He's
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  Speaker 2: got other companies, he's got other things that he does.
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  Speaker 2: That's why he's entrusted Gwen Shotwell to run SpaceX. So
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  Speaker 2: you can call this an Elon Musk failure when in reality,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, it goes back to Gwen Shotwell. And
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  Speaker 2: though this isn't a failure, because this is what they do.
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  Speaker 2: They launch rockets. When something goes wrong, they retool and
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  Speaker 2: they relaunch. And then if something goes wrong, they retool
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  Speaker 2: and they relaunch. They can do it at the speed
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  Speaker 2: and pace that they want to because it's their company.
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  Speaker 2: They're not sitting back and saying, Hey, we gotta go NASA,
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  Speaker 2: we gotta go ask you know, Congress to give us
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  Speaker 2: some more money because we blew up another rocket. That's
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  Speaker 2: not how it works. And people are saying, but they're
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  Speaker 2: get money from the government, bids bids on who is
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  Speaker 2: going to be the company that's going to do whatever
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  Speaker 2: the next phase is. Right now, SpaceX is the only
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  Speaker 2: ride to and from space for Americans from American soil. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we could go back to getting rides with the Russians.
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  Speaker 2: Is that something that any of us want to do? No,
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  Speaker 2: not at all. Uh. Fox also jumped in and said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: but you know you got to And I forget which
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  Speaker 2: person it was. It was one of the one of
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  Speaker 2: the people there. Oh, these are the people going up
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  Speaker 2: to rescue those astronauts that are stranded in space. They
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  Speaker 2: already have a plan. It's not the same rocket this is.
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  Speaker 2: This is a different rocket. They're through doing a different
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  Speaker 2: test on. It's a much bigger rocket with much bigger plans,
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  Speaker 2: one that they hope sometime in the near future will
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  Speaker 2: take human beings to Mars. But it's not the same
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  Speaker 2: rocket that they The rocket that's bringing the astronauts home
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  Speaker 2: is all it's been there. It's been docked at the
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  Speaker 2: International Space Station for quite a while. It has nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with this launch. Sorry, but MSNBC certainly has
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  Speaker 2: it wrong. But they have their motives. I think Fox
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  Speaker 2: is trying to defend it properly, but they missed out
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  Speaker 2: on some key points. Gwyn shot Well, COO of SpaceX.
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  Speaker 2: She's in charge. She's running the show. He's out fixing
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  Speaker 2: all of the NGO mess while he's out fixing all
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  Speaker 2: of the wasted money, all of the he's fixing all
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  Speaker 2: of the jobs that people aren't actually even showing up
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  Speaker 2: for doing any work, but they're getting paid. That's what
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  Speaker 2: he's doing. She's the one. If you're gonna blame somebody,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I realized it's not as fun to blame her.
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  Speaker 2: You probably didn't know her name until I just brought
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  Speaker 2: it up. Unless you do. Listen to Mate of Stars
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  Speaker 2: after the break, it's kind of hard to believe that
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  Speaker 2: we're five years out from the world shutting down because
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  Speaker 2: of COVID, and basically now that we're five years out,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people have different opinions about where we
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  Speaker 2: are now concerning COVID. About half of Americans believe that
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic is over, one in five think it will
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  Speaker 2: never end, one in five think it's still going but
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  Speaker 2: will end eventually. Seventy one percent think it was a
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  Speaker 2: good idea to have people work from home where possible.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty eight percent thought that indoor masking was a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: Forty seven percent think that closing non essential businesses was
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  Speaker 2: the right decision. Fifty percent believe the US isn't doing
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  Speaker 2: enough to prepare for future pandemics. Four percent say that
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  Speaker 2: doing too much. I got lots of thoughts about this,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't have a lot of time left, So
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  Speaker 2: this idea of this one in five people thinking the
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  Speaker 2: pandemic will never end bless. That's all I can say.
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  Speaker 2: With my Southern roots, the fact that there's always going
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  Speaker 2: to be another coronavirus of some kind around. I guess
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  Speaker 2: technically makes that right, But yeah, we got to come
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  Speaker 2: up with a definition of what it would mean to
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  Speaker 2: be in a pandemic before we can say that we're
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  Speaker 2: still in one, right, I mean, there is a definition
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  Speaker 2: for it, and we don't meet those qualifications. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: and this idea that we're not doing enough to prepare
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  Speaker 2: for future pandemics, No, we're not starting with shutting down
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  Speaker 2: some of these places that are working on whatever the
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  Speaker 2: next one is, because that scares me. All right. We've
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  Speaker 2: talked about basically how some PEO people are hoping for
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  Speaker 2: the AI robots and where relationships may go. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess there are teens that are already chatting with and
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  Speaker 2: falling in love. I don't know, but they say falling
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  Speaker 2: in love with AI and also mother senior citizens turning
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  Speaker 2: to AI chatbots like Replica and know Me for companionship.
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  Speaker 2: So apparently this is a real thing. Alex Cardinel, founder
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  Speaker 2: and CEO of know Me, says, you don't think of
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  Speaker 2: that when you think of early tech adopters. But there's
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  Speaker 2: a big elder loneliness epidemic going on right now. So yes,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess as far as companionship, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't know about this whole idea of falling in love
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  Speaker 2: with them, but that's going to be a real thing
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  Speaker 2: in the future, right all Right, This one hits me
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  Speaker 2: hard because if you know me, you know that I
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  Speaker 2: am a butterfly lover. I have nursed and cared for
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  Speaker 2: three injured butterflies that became my very dear friends for
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  Speaker 2: their remaining days. So here we are. We're at that
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  Speaker 2: time of the year where butterflies are around. You see them,
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  Speaker 2: they're out. But apparently there's concerns about butterflies disappearing, and
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  Speaker 2: experts say there's been a sharp decline in the butterfly
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  Speaker 2: population over the years due to factors like habitat loss
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  Speaker 2: and pesticide use. Conservationists urging immediate action to protect them,
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  Speaker 2: calling for a creation of more butterfly friendly habitats and
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  Speaker 2: reducing pesticide use. If it's possible and you're able to
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  Speaker 2: put any sort of a butterfly garden on your property,
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  Speaker 2: I encourage you to do as someone who loves butterflies, right,
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  Speaker 2: I encourage you to do that butterfly friendly plants and
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  Speaker 2: let them, let them thrive. In that. So that's all
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you for that. I love the butterflies,
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  Speaker 2: all right. So about this and this also kind of
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  Speaker 2: ties into some of this outdoor stuff. New app launching
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  Speaker 2: this week, and the whole thing is it's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: help you stop with some of the scrolling on your devices.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Touch Grass and basically you have to come
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  Speaker 2: in contact with nature so that you can get back
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  Speaker 2: to your phone. So here's the deal. You choose which
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  Speaker 2: apps that you want to block, and then in order
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  Speaker 2: to access them again after so much time, I guess
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  Speaker 2: you have to take a photo of grass. You have
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  Speaker 2: to go outside and take a photo. The Developerrhyese Kentish,
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  Speaker 2: says that he was inspired to create the app by
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  Speaker 2: his own behavior. He says, my reflex in the morning
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  Speaker 2: was to reach over, grab my phone and start scrolling.
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  Speaker 2: I knew this wasn't healthy. And on top of that,
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  Speaker 2: I need an incentive to get outside more, especially in
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the winter months. Ken just says he hopes people will
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  Speaker 2: get a laugh out of the app. More importantly, he
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  Speaker 2: hope it offers them a chance to disconnect from the
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  Speaker 2: shackles of the digital world and allow them to connect
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  Speaker 2: with nature more you could just get up and go outside.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate the app and I get in
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  Speaker 2: principle what's going on there. But maybe, I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 2: some people need that motivation, that forced thing. They need
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  Speaker 2: their Apple Watch to tell them that they've been sitting
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  Speaker 2: too long. You know, maybe we've gotten used to that.
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  Speaker 2: That'll do it for this Tuesday edition of the show.
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