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Christine of Sister Wives and Ultimate Girls Trip · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
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  Speaker 1: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch.
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  Speaker 2: What's it called?
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  Speaker 1: It's Dunaidial. Where? Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 3: There's an accent on the E. Do you mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 2: Lift?
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  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Heather MacDonald
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 2: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I have a
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  Speaker 1: killer show for you. I am so excited to share
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  Speaker 1: with you my interview with Christine from Sister Wives. It's
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  Speaker 1: everything I thought it would be. She was so honest.
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  Speaker 1: I asked so many questions. She answered every single one
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  Speaker 1: of them. And it was a really enlightening conversation that
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  Speaker 1: even if you don't watch the show, I think you'll
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  Speaker 1: find fascinating. But let's get into some hot topics first
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  Speaker 1: before we get to that. So we now know the
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  Speaker 1: cause of Matthew Perry's death. And unfortunately, it was ketamine,
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  Speaker 1: enough to put someone asleep for general surgery. So people
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  Speaker 1: use this. You hear special K. People use a little
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  Speaker 1: of it, I guess, to party. But it's also used
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  Speaker 1: in medical procedures. And he was having this therapy done,
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  Speaker 1: but it had almost been a whole week since he
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  Speaker 1: had had it. So they know that it wasn't from
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  Speaker 1: that therapy since they found it in his system. They
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  Speaker 1: know that he must have taken it shortly before he
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  Speaker 1: got into the jacuzzi because it only lasts in your
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  Speaker 1: system three to four hours. But he had 3540, 3540
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  Speaker 1: NG slash MLs. I don't know what that means, but
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  Speaker 1: For general anesthesia, when you use this ketamine for that,
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  Speaker 1: it's between 1,000 and 6,000. And he had over 3,500.
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  Speaker 1: So it was an enormous amount. And so what these
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  Speaker 1: doctors are speculating is that he must have taken it,
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  Speaker 1: gotten in the jacuzzi, and it just gets to the
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  Speaker 1: point where you really relax or become unconscious. And so
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  Speaker 1: he must have... become unconscious and then slipped under the
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  Speaker 1: water and drowned. But anybody that's using it for fun
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  Speaker 1: or recreational purposes would know not to go swimming or
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  Speaker 1: do something like that. So it's really sad, really unfortunate,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm glad that we have some answers. Hopefully this
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  Speaker 1: be a warning to anybody that is messing with this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And certainly not to go into a jacuzzi or a
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  Speaker 1: pool or a bathtub by yourself whenever you're on this.
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  Speaker 1: And just so sad he did. He was able to
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  Speaker 1: start some foundations for addiction before he passed. But my God,
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  Speaker 1: all the money in the world, millions and millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: The most popular show in the last 30 years was
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  Speaker 1: he was a star of Friends. They were getting a
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  Speaker 1: million an episode. Just so sad.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's hope that people take better care of
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  Speaker 1: themselves in the 2024. Amanda Bynes, she started a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: She had one episode and she has announced, I am
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  Speaker 1: taking a break from my podcast. I'm putting it on pause.
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  Speaker 1: There's probably more to it or maybe not. She's like,
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  Speaker 1: we're just not able to get the guests I thought
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  Speaker 1: we were going to get. We aren't able to get
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  Speaker 1: Jack Harlow or Drake or Post Malone. And therefore, since
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  Speaker 1: I can't secure those interviews after I've only had my
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  Speaker 1: podcast for one week, I'm out. I'm quitting. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'll be back. Maybe I won't. But like, unless Drake
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  Speaker 1: comes on my podcast or Post Malone, like, why am
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  Speaker 1: I even bothering? So, you know, listen, I wish you well.
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  Speaker 1: I hope she becomes creative and, you know, stays on
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  Speaker 1: a good path. But as someone that has been doing
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  Speaker 1: this for eight and a half years... There's something quite
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  Speaker 1: satisfying about somebody who realizes how hard it is and
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  Speaker 1: then just decides to quit after one episode.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: It's not that easy, people. Awful video footage came out
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend. I'm not exactly sure when this fight
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  Speaker 1: went down. It was pretty recent. It was Kim and Croy.
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  Speaker 1: We now know one of their kids called the police.
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  Speaker 1: and said, it looked like my dad might have been
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  Speaker 1: hitting my mom. When the police came, she was in
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  Speaker 1: a Range Rover. She said, I just came back from
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  Speaker 1: a hair appointment and he's freaking out. So I'm staying
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  Speaker 1: in my car. One of the kids called the police
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  Speaker 1: and he was just like yelling about his life, how
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  Speaker 1: he has nothing. No one listens to him. She's sleeping
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  Speaker 1: with other guys. She's gambled away their money. They have
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  Speaker 1: no house, no job, no nothing. And the comments were like,
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  Speaker 1: You know, what's your job? And then other comments were like,
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  Speaker 1: why is she still have a Range Rover and getting
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  Speaker 1: her hair done if they have no money? And but
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  Speaker 1: most of them were just like, this is so sad
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  Speaker 1: for the family and the kids. And why are they
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  Speaker 1: living together? Can they please stop living together so that
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  Speaker 1: there's some peace for these kids? So now she has
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  Speaker 1: started a Instagram where she's selling all his stuff. She's
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  Speaker 1: selling Corey's luggage and his shoes and all of his items.
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  Speaker 1: She's been selling her own stuff for a while. So
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  Speaker 1: they're selling off their possessions, but people are digging up
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  Speaker 1: videos from Corey. of reunions of where she's like, don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: My husband, Corey, is very successful. He's in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: We know this won't last forever. But right now, yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we have a $ 150, 000 car. Yeah, I buy three wigs
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  Speaker 1: a week that are worth $ 10, 000. I don't know. But
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  Speaker 1: people are like, yeah. And she's like, oh, yeah. Cashmere
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  Speaker 1: Cosmetics made over $ 15 million. And Porsche's like, that's some
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  Speaker 1: Kim K type of money. Like, Of course it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to last. Of course they were ridiculous overspenders. She
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  Speaker 1: does have a history of gambling. It wasn't that he
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a job. His job was managing the household
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  Speaker 1: and the family. And they did so many paid sponsors,
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  Speaker 1: Instagram ads and things like that, which are not willy-nilly.
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  Speaker 1: They take a lot of effort. They take time to secure.
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  Speaker 1: They take time to film. So it's not like they
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  Speaker 1: were doing nothing, but they were obviously living way beyond
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  Speaker 1: their means. But he did just post... like a little
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  Speaker 1: thank you for all your support because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are like feeling for him at this point. Like,
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  Speaker 1: did she ruin his life? And also they never... His
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  Speaker 1: parents were not at the wedding, and as much as
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  Speaker 1: we know as the public, he has been estranged from
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  Speaker 1: his parents since he and Kim got together. So it'll
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see if he makes up with his
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  Speaker 1: parents at all. But that's what's going on there. Bad
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  Speaker 1: Bunny and Kendall Jenner broke up. I don't really care.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, it was her birthday, and her dad was
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  Speaker 1: there at the Chiefs game. She had a cute little
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  Speaker 1: Santa Chiefs hat on, and it was her birthday, and
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  Speaker 1: he was cutting up her cake and giving it to
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  Speaker 1: other people in the box next to them. You guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's happening. It is all happening. Since the beginning, I
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  Speaker 1: am sticking with it. I am convinced. that these two
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  Speaker 1: are going to get married and probably have kids and
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  Speaker 1: maybe stay together forever. Hopefully, if they get married, they will.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a significant relationship. It will go down
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  Speaker 1: in history as one of her long-term relationships, hopefully her last.
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  Speaker 1: But that is my prediction. Good for her. Oh, my God,
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  Speaker 1: you guys. Real ultimate girls trip, legacy edition, St. Bart's.
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  Speaker 1: Three episodes out on Peacock. I smiled for three hours
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  Speaker 1: watching this on Sunday. I posted about it. I tagged
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  Speaker 1: all the girls. I talked to Luann on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Luann, it's so good. It's so, so funny.
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  Speaker 1: It really, I really, listen to me, Bravo, because you
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  Speaker 1: know I have great ideas. And I want to say,
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  Speaker 1: I still am going to say, there is strong evidence
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  Speaker 1: that this whole idea for a show came from me.
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  Speaker 1: Because when I first started doing my live Juicy Scoops,
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  Speaker 1: when nobody else was doing live podcasts, really, in the
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  Speaker 1: Bravo realm, I did one in New York at the
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  Speaker 1: City Winery and I had Dorinda and she was my
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  Speaker 1: live guest. And I was like, who would you want
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  Speaker 1: to be on an island with and why? Right. And
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  Speaker 1: I did it from her cast, but then I started
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  Speaker 1: doing it with other housewives from different casts and they
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  Speaker 1: would justify it. Well, Ramona would get the hot guys
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  Speaker 1: and this one would know how to cook. And then
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  Speaker 1: the Ultimate Girls Trip came about. I'm just saying, just saying,
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  Speaker 1: it's a great idea. I also think it would be
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  Speaker 1: fun to do more of a Survivor episode as well.
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  Speaker 1: But for right now, I think we love to see
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  Speaker 1: the girls looking glamorous. I think we love to see
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful place. It's St. Bart's. It's gorgeous. They have
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  Speaker 1: great dresses. They have bright colored earrings. It's fun to watch.
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  Speaker 1: On it, it's Ramona, Sonia, Luann, and Dorinda. And then
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  Speaker 1: they brought back Kelly Bessamone, who was most famous for
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  Speaker 1: eating her jelly beans on Scary Island, and which Bethany said,
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  Speaker 1: go to sleep. They brought her back. She's a realtor now,
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  Speaker 1: still looking gorgeous. And Kristen Taichman, who's also a model
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  Speaker 1: and a mom who lives here in Calabasas, who has
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  Speaker 1: been on Juicy Scoop. So I think this is a
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  Speaker 1: perfect cast. I love watching it. It And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Dorinda is there, and she's looking beautiful, and she's funny,
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  Speaker 1: and she's saying all her great one-liners. And she's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, Kristen? You were fired. I was put
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  Speaker 1: on pause. And there is a difference. And if you–
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  Speaker 1: you know what? Pigeons don't fly with eagles. Guess who
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  Speaker 1: the eagle is?
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  Speaker 3: I'm the eagle.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, wait, what is this? Yes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just stop it.
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  Speaker 3: Just stop.
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  Speaker 1: Then they bring hot guys over, and Dorinda's like– These
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  Speaker 1: guys are.
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  Speaker 3: A little young.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anybody that's a professional waiter on this island
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  Speaker 1: over 40? I mean, come on. Do we need babysitters?
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  Speaker 1: And oh my gosh, it's just like, it is so funny.
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  Speaker 1: You have to watch it. It's so good. They get
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  Speaker 1: into some juicy stuff. Of course, they're asking Kristen Taichman
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  Speaker 1: about her very long marriage, but eight years ago, which
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  Speaker 1: was right when they didn't ask her back to be
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  Speaker 1: on the show. Ashley Madison came out, which is a
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  Speaker 1: dating website. There's even been, I think, a documentary about
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  Speaker 1: it where it was like, life is short, have an affair.
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  Speaker 1: It's for married people that want to have affairs with
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  Speaker 1: other married people. They don't want to leave their spouse.
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  Speaker 1: So everyone kind of knows the rules. We're not going
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  Speaker 1: to fall in love. And listen, one time when I
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  Speaker 1: was at Chelsea lately, I went on it because we
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  Speaker 1: were like doing a topic on it. And I put
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  Speaker 1: in my zip code and I did not put any
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  Speaker 1: photo of me. And I did like a fake name.
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  Speaker 1: And it came back. So many men were ready to
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  Speaker 1: meet me. And all I did was put my real age,
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  Speaker 1: which at the time was like, whatever, 40 or something.
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  Speaker 1: And that was it. Like, no one knew what I
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  Speaker 1: looked like or anything. And they're like, let's meet. And
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  Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, my God. So, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I jumped off of it. But basically, that is what
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  Speaker 1: Kristen is saying, is that her husband and his friends,
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  Speaker 1: that's what she said on my show, went on it together.
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  Speaker 1: as a joke. But when the girls start bringing up
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  Speaker 1: articles from the past, it's like there were 75 different
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  Speaker 1: exchanges with her husband's profile and other women. But she says,
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  Speaker 1: whatever that was, they never met in person. He called
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  Speaker 1: himself the Mr. Big of New York City. And they
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  Speaker 1: keep bringing it up. And she's like, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: a problem. We went to therapy over it. That was
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  Speaker 1: eight and a half years ago. We're still married. None
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  Speaker 1: of you are. And a couple of other women brought
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  Speaker 1: that up, too. They were like, congrats to you staying married.
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  Speaker 1: Congrats to you working out an issue like this, whether
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  Speaker 1: it was an indiscretion or, you know. Stage one of cheating.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you did it. But as they
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  Speaker 1: all toast and cheer and she thinks she got out scot-free,
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  Speaker 1: they bring it up again at the dinner. And they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you shouldn't be okay with it. Like Kelly Bessamone
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  Speaker 1: was like, you shouldn't be okay with it. She's like,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't okay with it. I'm good with my marriage now,
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  Speaker 1: eight years later. No, I wasn't happy with it when
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  Speaker 1: it happened eight years ago. She handled herself really, really well.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that all the women are divorced, Ramona
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  Speaker 1: alludes to having a boyfriend and her whole face lights up.
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  Speaker 1: Ramona's being pretty nice right now. Besides being really hungry
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  Speaker 1: once and letting the staff know that she was starving,
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  Speaker 1: pretty good so far and pretty fun and pretty nice.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly Bessamone, by the third episode, is starting to show up.
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  Speaker 1: Scary Island, Kelly, in which Dorinda watches it. It is,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you guys, it is so fun. And
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  Speaker 1: just like, especially if it's like cold where you are
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  Speaker 1: and then you snuggle in your bed on an afternoon
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  Speaker 1: and you watch a few of these episodes, highly recommend.
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  Speaker 1: And I think they should do these with like the
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  Speaker 1: OGs of... OC, the OGs of New Jersey, the OGs
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  Speaker 1: of Atlanta, like that's the OGs of Beverly Hills. I
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  Speaker 1: like that these people have history and I like that
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  Speaker 1: we're only focusing on their city and not all these
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  Speaker 1: other cities. So that's my suggestion. AI is everywhere, but
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  Speaker 1: ROI isn't.
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  Speaker 2: At PWC, we turn AI into advantage so you can
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  Speaker 2: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
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  Speaker 2: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
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  Speaker 2: have faced tremendous setbacks. and yet somehow have found a
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  Speaker 2: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
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  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
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  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 1: filed against me. When your free will was about to
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  Speaker 1: be taken from you, what would you.
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  Speaker 2: Do if it was given back? Where did that need
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  Speaker 2: come from where you thought that you had to succeed
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  Speaker 2: in order to feel loved?
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  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
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  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
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  Speaker 1: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
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  Speaker 2: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
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  Speaker 2: happens next.
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  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
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  Speaker 1: every day was.
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  Speaker 3: You're worth the work.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, Dar, I'm not going to pull punches.
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  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
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  Speaker 2: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
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  Speaker 2: Only one question matters. What happens next?
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  Speaker 1: Um, Meanwhile, Brandi Glanville is not happy. She is tweeting
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  Speaker 1: things saying like, because we don't know if we're ever
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  Speaker 1: going to see her episode of Ultimate Girls Trip where
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  Speaker 1: she allegedly kissed and groped Caroline Manzo and also where
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  Speaker 1: she's being accused by some waiter that she grabbed his
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  Speaker 1: shirt and sexually harassed him. She is like, no, I
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  Speaker 1: hate being the scapegoat. Stop it. These producers, when we
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  Speaker 1: were in Morocco, which is the one we have not,
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  Speaker 1: we may never see with Caroline, they're encouraging us to
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  Speaker 1: drink and all this stuff. I just don't think anybody cares.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Reality Reckoning, Hulu doc, literally not even
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  Speaker 1: Bethany is promoting that anymore. In fact, Bethany Frankel in
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  Speaker 1: the past week has said, I really love Andy. We
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  Speaker 1: had such a great friendship. I adore him and like
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  Speaker 1: giving suggestions. So she's like, okay, this last four months
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  Speaker 1: of this did not work out. And now let me
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  Speaker 1: slowly weasel my way back in to maybe go do
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  Speaker 1: an ultimate girls trip or something. This must be killing
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  Speaker 1: her that this is doing so well and everybody's enjoying it.
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  Speaker 1: That's my opinion. On Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, it's
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  Speaker 1: getting really good. It's always so fun. Sutton celebrated her store.
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  Speaker 1: And Anne-Marie, who is an anesthesiologist nurse, says, I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe what you're saying that you eat– less food because
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  Speaker 1: you have a narrow esophagus. That's just not true. And
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  Speaker 1: she's just attacking her, going after her. And Sutton is like,
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  Speaker 1: am I at a doctor's appointment right now? Do you
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  Speaker 1: need my health insurance card? I have a pay-pay. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean to brag. I'm like, what is this?
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  Speaker 1: And everyone's like, so a lot of people didn't like
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  Speaker 1: the new girl Anne-Marie for that. And Tiffany Moon, who
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  Speaker 1: is an anesthesiologist, an actual doctor of it, went to
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram and said, no, what Sutton is saying is true.
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  Speaker 1: What Anne-Marie is saying as a nurse is not cool.
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  Speaker 1: She's weaponizing her medical education or experience in the wrong
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  Speaker 1: way on a reality show when you don't know it.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, what... Sutton was saying is true. Some people
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  Speaker 1: do have a narrowing of the esophagus and you can
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  Speaker 1: go in and expand it. And then Eric Jane is like, well,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: that explains it. Why she's single. Girl can't give a
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: proper blowjob. Too small of an esophagus. Guess what? Guess
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I have a big one. It's expensive to be me.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I've got the circumference of an esophagus that only men
• 18:11
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• 18:14
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• 18:20
  Speaker 1: came over and was accusing Crystal of talking about Sutton
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: because Sutton's like, I don't like that you guys talked
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: about that I drink too much because it might affect
• 18:27
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• 18:33
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• 18:37
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• 18:40
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• 18:44
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• 18:47
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• 18:49
  Speaker 1: my first cocktail while that nurse was telling me that
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: my esophagus narrowing is a lie and I don't like that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I was trying to sell some really great Sutton gifts
• 19:02
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• 19:05
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• 19:07
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• 19:10
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• 19:32
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• 20:28
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• 20:35
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• 20:40
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• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we just all saw the fourth episode of the one-on-one's.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk to you, Christine.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Heather, I'm so excited to talk to you too. I
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: am so honored. It was so much fun meeting you
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: with the variety thing. And it's an absolute treat. The day,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: a couple of days after I got back, David was like,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, you've got to listen to this. And
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: you were talking about meeting me and it was such
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: an honor. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Well,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I have been really into your show, probably like the last,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Four or five years. I did not watch it in
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the very beginning. I really started watching once you were
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas in the cul-de-sac.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: But I first just want to get a little history.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, anybody who's in Juicy Scoop knows your story.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But you guys have done 17 or 18 seasons of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Spain. Spain.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: You were wife three to Cody Brown. There was Mary Janelle, you,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and then after you came Robin. And so did you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: come from polygamy? Yeah, I did.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Religious wise, I was in a church that polygamy was
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: one of the tenets of the faith. And it's not Mormons.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: It's a fundamentalist Mormon is what the church was called.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Not not Mormons at all. But that was just part
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: of our faith was to live plural marriage. And so
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: it was just natural for me to know that I
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: wanted to live it. And I truly did really want
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to be a third wife. I thought that would just
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: be the best. I thought I got myself was just
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: way too much work. And then being a second wife,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to do that because I felt like
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: it would be a wedge in between the married couple
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: and nobody wants to be a wedge. So I really
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: felt like a third wife would be the best and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: it'd be the easiest. And I was totally just down
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: being the third wife. And, but my dad, I, anyway,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: back up a little bit.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: My dad married my other mom when I was five
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: and I remember their wedding. I had a beautiful dress
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: and she's been part of my life ever since. Like
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: my mom left my dad and left the religion and
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: everything when I was 19, but I still stayed in
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: the church and I still wanted to live polygamy even
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: back then.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: So was your mom the first wife?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: My mom was the first wife. Yes. And then when
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: she left, my dad didn't remarry another wife. So she,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: he and my other mom are still together. And like
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: she was at my wedding. You'll see her as well
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: when you see, um, Yeah. Yes, she is in the
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: wedding episode.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Did your mom stay close to wife number two?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: No, no. It's they're OK now. Like it took them
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: several years just because it's hard. It's splitting up both
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the whole family in a way, too. And so it
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: was just difficult. But they never like fought before or
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: anything like that. When my mom left, it was a
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: big shock to everybody. I had no idea that she
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't happy or anything.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: She left when you were 19. And then when did
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you meet Cody and the family?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I met Cody when I was 18. I met Cody.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: He was only married to Mary when I met him.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: It was just out of high school that I met him.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: And we just hung out. We just had a good
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: time with each other. I know we went to Wyoming.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: He's from Wyoming. So we all went up to see
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: his family in Wyoming. And we just hung out a
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: lot for like three and a half years. We just
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: hung out. And then in that meantime, he married Janelle.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And then we were just really good friends. And then
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: like a couple of years into it, I'm like, you
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: know what? He's the coolest guy that I know. And
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: he's really awesome. And I loved how strong and independent
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: he was. And he wouldn't just go by the book.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: He would really research things out himself. And he wasn't
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: a follower. He was a leader and he was a doer.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And I really liked that about him. So it was easy.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: It was easy to just, he was just the best
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: guy that I knew.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So when you tell your mom, who now at this
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: time is divorced from your dad, no longer in a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: polygamous marriage, and you said, mom, I think I found
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the family I want to join as a third wife.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: What was her opinion? So she knew Cody already. Like
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: she'd known Cody.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Like I kept in contact with my mom even when
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: she left and she knew Cody and she liked Cody
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: and she'd met Mary and Janelle as well. She went
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Janelle by then. It might've been later that she met Janelle.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: But no, she really liked Cody. So I didn't know
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that she wasn't really in favor of me living polygamy
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: until I left Cody. And then she told me and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: she was like, I'm like, well, how did you feel
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: about me? And I asked her, I'm like, when I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: first told her that I was going to leave Cody,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: she's like, yeah, she was playing me just hard. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: when you married Cody, I'm like, wait, wait, wait, what?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And she was sad. She was sad that I was
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: marrying Cody. She was sad that I was going to
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: live plural marriage, but she knew that it's what I wanted.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: So she supported me and I never knew that she
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: felt differently. And she was just a little bit heartbroken
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: that I was going to live plural marriage because it
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: was so hard on her. It was just hard on her.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And she was sad and she really felt like it
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: wasn't a lifestyle that honored women and respected women enough.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And so for her, she thought that it just, that
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't thrive in it because I was already just
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: strong and independent at that point.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's totally fascinating. I'm totally fascinated to have
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: enjoyed and watched it for so many reasons and analyzed
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it and compared it to my own marriage of 23 years,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: which is a traditional marriage. and seen and joked about
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: it in my standup of why you'd want a sister wife.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And like, at a certain point, do you really care
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: if he's over at somebody else's house? Like, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: it's nice having your own bedroom and watching your own shows.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And like, I, so I, I got it. Um, But
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I wonder, like, I have so many questions, but one
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: is we see your wedding photo.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And he's wearing this white suit. Did he wear that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: white tuxedo for any other weddings?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: No, that was a rental. It was a tuxedo rental.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And whenever I look at that dress now, I'm like, oh,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: my God, I don't even know what David looks at dress.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: He's like, wow, babe. I'm like, stop it. Don't talk
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: to me. I liked it then. Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: So last night in the episode, we see that he goes, well,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: my mistake. It's my fault that this marriage ended. thinking
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: he's finally going to take some responsibility of saying like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't honor her. I, you know, she always had
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to be the happy, fun one and, and supportive yet.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I could be an unsupportive asshole anytime I wanted. Like
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I get it now. He says, well, it's my fault
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: because I married a woman I didn't love.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I know Heather, we were just talking about this morning,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: David and I just barely said the exact same conversation
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: that we are having right now. We're like there. We
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: are waiting for this.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Like, I should have taken care of.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: My family better. I should have, you know, spent more.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Cause at the beginning, before Robin came along, I really
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: felt like he was very equal with his time. I
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: really felt like he was. And then Robin came along
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: and I think he finally found the love of his life.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And he's like, Hey, whatever, whatever. But yeah, no, we
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: were just talking about that. I'm like, how, why can't
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: he just admit that he used to love me? I
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: don't know, but I really feel like he used to
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: love me. I, the thing is, is when I read
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the book, I found out in the book that he
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: said he didn't love me at the beginning of our marriage.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: And that's when I was like, excuse me, what? We
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: had a lot of conversations after that, for sure.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: That was where he described the nacho scene. Oh, gosh.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: That you were eating nachos and he was extremely turned
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: off by you eating the nachos.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I know, I didn't know.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And so you're reading that like, what the hell? And
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: now you're how many years into the television show?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: 14 years, truly is 13. And I was pregnant with her.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And I gave birth to her on episode four. That
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: still is one of my favorite episodes. I do have
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: to say we watch it on her birthday quite frequently.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: So when the show started, it started with you guys
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: having Robin about to join. We never saw a season
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: without Robin.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Right. She like episode two. She's in episode two, right
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: at the very, very beginning. She was part of our family.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: So when she first started coming into the family, it
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: was around the same time that the producer and, and
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: we were having a conversation about doing the show. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we talked with her, excuse me, I'm getting a tissue.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. We talked with her about it too.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: And she, it took her a while, you know, it's
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: a lot, it's a lot to process. And we'd already
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: been thinking about it for a little while. But she
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: agreed to be part of the show as well. But
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it was the same time that we went public. So
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: she was on board the whole time.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And let's talk a little bit about that. So you're
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: living your life. You're, you're married at this point for
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: how many years before you guys start discussing doing a
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: reality show?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: It was about 15, 14 years. We started, Oh, my
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: screen went dark. Sorry. So about 14 years, we started
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: discussing it. So I was involved in a group of
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: people who represented polygamy to the outside world. So there
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: was like a couple of people from each of the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: polygamous sex in Utah and And we would go and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: speak to hospitals and the news and different channels. We
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: were on BBC, we were on different things. And then
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: we did like a pilot show for in New York.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: So we had done some things. And so I was
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: contacted through that, our producer. Now he contacted me and
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: we started talking and then I referred him to Cody
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: and they started talking about doing a show. And so
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: he just wanted a documentary. And it's like, look, when
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: you're a polygamist, you can't just do a documentary showing
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: your whole polygamist life because it was a felony back then.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, we'll lose our jobs. You can't do that.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: So me going public by myself was fine. I never
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: used my last name or anything like that. But us
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: going public as a family, we would have lost our jobs.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: And we did. We had to move because of the
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: threat of like the state or like the county threatened us.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So then when you, okay, so what was your relationship
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: with reality TV growing up? Did you watch real world?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Did you, did you guys enjoy reality TV? Were you
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a fan of it? Did you think of what it
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: would mean to be on a show? I mean, you
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: probably didn't think it would go 17 years, but like,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: what was your, like, how much did you guys really
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: discuss what this would mean to you?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: We didn't know. I went in without really, I didn't
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: know anything. I didn't really watch a lot of reality TV.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: We'd watched American Idol. But that was about it. We
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: loved American Idol. But no, I never watched really much
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: of anything. And we were pretty, we were blown away.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: It was overwhelming. Overwhelming that people accepted us. Heather, honestly,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: we were really putting ourselves out there because to us,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: The whole outside world was scary. Like monogamous were all scary.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Everybody was scary because I was raised to believe that
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: if people in the outside world knew that I was
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: a polygamist, my dad would be arrested and he would
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: be taken away from us and we'd never have my
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: dad in our life again. And I was grown up.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I was raised with that. We're thinking the outside world
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: was scary. Even though I was raised with so much love.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I had the best childhood. And it was,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I had so much fun and raising our kids was fun.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I loved it. But at some point
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: you realize, anyway, we just didn't know. We didn't know.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: So we started the show. And I remember one time
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: we're out to eat at a restaurant and I went
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: to the bathroom, in the bathroom, and a lady came
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: in and she followed me to the bathroom. And she's like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I'm a Mormon. And I was really opposed to your
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: show because I thought that you guys were an abomination.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: So I wasn't gonna watch your show, but then I
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: was sick. And I started clicking channels and I bumped
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: into your show. And I started watching it and I
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: couldn't believe your guys' family. And I think you guys
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: are amazing. And the way that you raise your kids
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: is beautiful. And the way that you problem solve is beautiful.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: And I love how you talk through things. And now
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: it's a family show and we watch it every Sunday.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: And I went back to the table and I'm like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: you guys have to believe what just happened to me.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: And I told everybody and I've just been blown away
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: by the support of so much support and so many
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: people that have reached out and said that are, you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: something that we did or said touched their life and
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: touched their soul and help them. How overwhelming is that?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like any other reality TV show.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just know my experience and it
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: has been humbling because people are always like what you said,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: touched my soul, what you said inspired me. And it's been,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: it's been overwhelming completely.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: So the show starts and you, How many seasons are you...
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Where are you before you moved to the Las Vegas cul-de-sac?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The Las Vegas was season two.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, so that was very soon. So maybe I have
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: been watching the whole thing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: You have.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: So to me, I thought the Las Vegas cul-de-sac was...
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the most perfect situation for everybody because you were close
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and you had your own house and it was easy
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: for him to get around and the kids could just
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: walk across the street, but you still had your own privacy.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So what was so confusing to me is why did
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you go? Why? Who found Coyote Pass? And why do
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you think Flagstaff was where you should go?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: I know, right?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, you know, maybe it was season three. Doesn't matter.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Okay. So we still don't really know why
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: we moved from the cul-de-sac. I swear. I don't know
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: all the way. My kids still ask. Aspen still. She's like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: why in the world did you move? And I'm like.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I don't even really know to be completely honest. Like Cody,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I was, he started talking about how it was unsafe
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: for our kids. I'm like, my kids, they thrive here.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about. Um, but it
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: was more like, uh, it was going to happen. And
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: so being a team player, you know, I'm just like, well, okay,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I guess we're going to move. And then we went
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: to Flagstaff, Cody and I went, we drove there and
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: he's like, you got to see Flagstaff. It's amazing. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: he and Janelle had been there before, I guess. Um,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: And we went to the property at Coyote Pass. And
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, we I felt like once we saw
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: once I saw Coyote Pass, I felt like in the cul-de-sac. Yes,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: it looked like it was perfect, but we were already
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: really broken there. I felt like our lives were very
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: separate in the cul-de-sac, even though we were right there.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: We could it was just very separate. Like I lived
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: a very separate life with my children in in in
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas. And I felt like Coyote Pass was going
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: to be a restarting for us. And we were going
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: to go there and we were going to all move
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: on to the property. And finally, we were going to
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: be like one family. It really was going to be
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: very uniting. That's really what I thought Coyote Pass. So
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: to me, it was a beautiful restart that our family
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: really needed because I didn't think that Las Vegas, it just,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: we just felt very broken and disjointed in Las Vegas.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: But guess what? It didn't really work like that when
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: we moved to Flagstaff.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it got way worse because you didn't have
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: houses to move on to. So now you're living in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: three different houses that aren't close together and you're becoming
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: more and more separate. And, and then like, when did
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you start to, well, one thing I was going to
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: say about watching Sister Wives is I feel like you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: were in, in believing in the fundamentals of polygamy as
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a woman. It's like the ultimate lesson in selflessness.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: You are to be selfless. You know, you shouldn't be jealous.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't be jealous. You shouldn't think about yourself. It's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: ultimate selflessness. And so I feel like that moment when
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: he marries Robin and they decide with Mary, Mary, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: need to give up your legal marriage. So that he
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: can legally marry Robin because she has kids he needs
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: to adopt and your child is whatever, almost over 18
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and it won't affect that person, you know, her child,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it won't affect your child. So I felt like when
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: she did that as a sister wife, she was, whether
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: she meant to or not as a viewer, that was
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the ultimate martyr move. Like I will, I, I'm now like,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I grew up Catholic. So it was like nuns were,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and I remember being a young girl being like feeling
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: guilty that I didn't want to be a nun because
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it was taught like the nuns are the most selfless, fabulous,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, well, maybe after I
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: get married and have kids and my husband dies, then
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'll be a nun. Would that be good enough? Like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that was just in my head. My parents weren't making
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: me be a nun, but I think when you're sometimes
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: fed this thing and as a girl, you want so
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: bad to be good. I want to be a good girl.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I want to not bother anyone. I want to be
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: seen as easygoing this and that. And it's like the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: last person you're putting on your priority list is yourself.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, I felt like that. So first,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: let me just clarify too. I don't know what conversations
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Mary and Cody and Robin had about divorcing and all
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: of that. Mary says it was her idea. do the
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: divorcing i don't know but i agree with you even
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: as a like that it wasn't my choice to do
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: i was overwhelmed i was over like overwhelmed it was
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: blown away i was blown away that she would divorce
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: cody legally in order for him to marry robin i
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: thought it was the absolute ultimate selfless move i thought
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: it was so beyond sweet of her and amazing of
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: her and i i could just thought it was amazing.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: So then I thought it was just super, super cool.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Cause you're, you are right. It is team player more
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: than anything. Um, that's why leaving was super difficult too,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: because my whole identity wasn't just a wife. If anything,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: to me, wife was secondary. First of all, I was
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: a mom to all of these kids. I was a
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: mom to 18 kids and everything that I did involved
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: all of the kids and the whole family. And so
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Family parties, family get togethers, when my friends came over,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: everything that I did was all about everybody. And I
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: didn't understand. Like I remember one point when Robin first
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: came into the cup, into the family, she started talking about,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: she goes, cause you guys are a couple and blah, blah, blah.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean a couple? And she goes, well,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you guys are all couples. And I said, no, we're
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: not couples. And she goes, well, no, Cody and I,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: because she was saying that her and Cody were a
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: couple and stuff. I'm like, there's no couples in our family.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you mean. And she goes, well,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: you and Cody are a couple. I'm like, no, we're not.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: We're not a couple. That's not what it is. We're
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: a family. And so the whole couple mentality was something
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't even begin to understand, didn't even grasp it
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: because it was so far out of my thinking because
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: it really was about making sure that everybody's needs were met.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: And the whole family had this amazing experience and all
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: everything that I could do to make sure that everybody
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: was happy and had fun.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: So when you did, when you did the schedule and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you had your, whatever, one or two nights with Cody,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: would you look forward to it? Would you dread it?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: When did you stop caring about it? Like, I kind
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: of wonder, like, was there a time where you were like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: it's fine. Your babies are little stay with Robin. Like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: You know, because there's women in traditional marriages that know
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that their man steps out and they're like, I'll just
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: put the blinders on because I don't really care. I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: happy to have the time alone. Like, I wonder if
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: at a certain point, because that was always the case,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you really had like no jealousy and started to care
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: less and less and less.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: So it's like reverse. So when I was first married,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I'd say for the first 15 years, I didn't really care.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: My needs were being met. He was around a lot
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: of the time. He was more fair with his time
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: and I didn't really care when he wasn't around. I'd
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: be like, Oh man, I can watch whatever shows I want.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And I loved it when he wasn't around. But then
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: when he was around, I loved that too. And then
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Robin came into the family and everything just became all
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: about Robin. And I really thought that would decrease. Like,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: of course, at first he's going to go over at
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: her house more. I remember what it was like to
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: have newborn babies. When you have a baby, that baby
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: takes up all of your time and you spend all
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: your time with that baby and the other kids kind
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: of get neglected a bit and you don't mean to.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: And you do everything that you can to make sure
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: that they aren't neglected, but it's just going to happen.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So I just figured it was like that a little bit,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: but that didn't even out. And he would come over
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: in the evenings. Like he's always adamant. He always says,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I was very fair with my schedule. He was over
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: at my house in the beginning, one out of every
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: four nights. And then when he stopped going to Mary's house,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it was one of every three nights. Yes, he was
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: there in the nights. Yes, for sure. So after six o'clock,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: he would walk right in. It's just that we saw
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: his car parked over at Robin's house. So we knew
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: he was in the cul-de-sac. And we didn't really... I
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: didn't understand why he couldn't spend... Anyway, blah, blah, whole
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: big thing. But I really just... I started to like
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: it less and less and become frustrated. And then when
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: we moved to, it's like through the cul-de-sac. When we
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: lived in the cul-de-sac, he would come over and sometimes
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I would be so mad because he like, it was
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: a Saturday. So why couldn't he come over during the
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: day on Saturday? I knew he wasn't working, you know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: but he still would only appear at six o'clock at night.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, whatever. So once you realize that
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: you don't really matter, then his time became something that
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: was really frustrating to me. And then we moved to
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Flagstaff and we were in Flagstaff for about six months.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I would say, let's see, about six months when I
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: started just being like, you know what? I'm done waiting
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: for him. I'm done waiting. I'd been waiting for him
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: for 10 years to go do things, to go have activities,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: to travel with us, to hang out with us. And
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I realized he just wasn't going to be part of
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: our life. So I started just doing things without him.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: We went kayaking every like at least once a week.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: We went hiking all the time. I started going on
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: trips without him. And I became so much more independent
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: when Flagstaff, when I realized, you know what? He's chosen.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: He's chosen Robin and he's just going to stay there.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: So then let's just have fun.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's go to the moment where he does the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: big presentation of the one house of the one house.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And Janelle's like, I'm down. Robin's like, great. And you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: are just- Limit. Like abso-fucking-lutely not. And at that point,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: were you thinking, were you just imagining what it'd be
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: like to be trapped in a house with all these people?
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Or were you like- I know I got to leave.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I just don't know when. Where was your mind when
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you saw that big house? Because I thought that was
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the first.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Time that you really saw. That was terrible. Sorry, my phone.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: That was the time I felt as a viewer that
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you were just like, no. And I was like, wait
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: a minute. What do we not know as a viewer?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I thought I would be trapped. And it would be great.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I now would be able to be in a house
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: where Cody would never come to my part of the house.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe he'd come there to sleep, but that would be it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: So we're going to see even less of him in
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: one house, because I'm going to be honest with you,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: he's always going to be at Robin's house then. Why
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: would he ever be in mine? He's always going to
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: stay in his part of his house. And what we
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: suddenly start going visiting him in his part of the house,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: that's what I imagine it would be like. And I'm like,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: my part of the house would be anything rather than
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: just a little tiny place for him to stop over occasionally.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I just knew it wouldn't be a good idea. And
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: my kids afterwards were like, please don't do that. We
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: don't live with you anymore, but please do not do that.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Do not accept the large house.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Do not accept the whole big one house. Because to them,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: when they lived in one house before, it was just crowded.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of room. And Cody was around
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: all the places all the time. And having like individual time,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I just felt like I wasn't really, in the end,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I just felt like I had, like I was a wife.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel like I was a wife. And so
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: one house meant to me that I wouldn't be seen
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: as a wife. I would just be like a stop.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: And so that's, I, so do you feel like that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: was kind of your aha moment? Because then you still
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: played along, like, yeah, you still played along a little bit.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: And then you guys talked your individual lots. So not leaving,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: not leaving. I didn't think I would be leaving back then.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: No way. Vaguely, I guess. Maybe vaguely it was like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: then I'd never be able. Yes. You know what? A
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: little bit. It was vaguely was like, well, then I'd
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: never be able to leave because I'd never have anything
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: in my name. So I could leave and have something
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: in my name for like my legacy or what I
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: was going to do with my next life. But leaving
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: wasn't a concrete thought. It was only this idea of leaving. So, um,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: The lots at Coyote Pass, once Cody was like, well,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: we can't put you at that lot. Because before we
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: kind of talked about different lots that we wanted. And
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I picked a lot and I really loved that lot.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: And then our next family meeting, he's like, you don't
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: get that lot. You're going to have to have another lot.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, so you've totally displaced me now. I
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: don't even have a place anymore here. But the final
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: thing for me was like Isabel's surgery. That was like...
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: done that was like absolute that was it I'm like
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: you can't because he said to her he goes I
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: can't leave my family for that long and afterwards Isabel
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: goes I thought we were a family I thought he
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: was my dad so if he can't leave he can't
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: be with us because he has to stay with his
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: family what does that mean what am I and she
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: was like how can I be really what am I
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: so I was like oh We're done. I can't be
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: married to a guy who doesn't respect us as his
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: family and thinks of somebody else as his family. If
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: he thinks that someone else is his family, why is
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: he still married to me? Why is he still pretending
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: that polygamy works if he can't leave his family to
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: be with his daughter? And I just didn't understand that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: It was only four. So it was a total of
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: like three and a half weeks that we were gone.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Three and a half weeks. It's like less than a month.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: A month.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Let's just say a month. It would have been a month.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what happens with a lot of
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: women in traditional marriage is you're like, well, I can
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: continue on not having any romance. I can continue on
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: not having sex, not being loved, you know, because he's
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: such a great dad. But then when you are faced
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: with the fact that... This is not a parental move
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that you respect. In fact, you're like very disturbed by it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: And your own child, you can't even protect your own
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: child from knowing the truth is when I think you
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: were like, then what is the point? What the hell
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: am I doing?
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: You know, so I yeah, I definitely saw that in
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: watching it, that that was like a moment. Now, you
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: said when he's not working. What does Cody do when
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: he's not filming the show?
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: He's not at my house, girl.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: No idea. You don't know what job this is?
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: No, he runs amok all the time. He's very disorganized.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: And he just runs amok. I have no idea what
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: he does. I'm sure maybe I don't know.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: My favorite part was during COVID when you were like,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: what does the nanny do? What does the nanny do?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: And I was like, what does Cody do? It's what
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I was thinking.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we don't know. Like, I have no idea.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. You know, after Isabel's surgery, too,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: we had a fateful conversation about intimacy. And he even
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: admitted he's like. we're not going to have an intimate
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: marriage anymore. We're not having sex anymore. Nothing like that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, OK, how many how many years had it
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: been since you guys even attempted to like have intercourse
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: when you had that conversation?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Well, it was like five times in one year. like
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: a couple of years before that.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: So it was like teetering off to new and then
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: it had been a couple of years.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Then it was like done. And I'm like, I can't, why,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: why are we? And so it was more like, you
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: know what? Maybe eventually things will get better and stuff.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe it will get better. And then we had that conversation.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, thank you. I guess we're not going
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: to pretend anymore. That works for me. Like it had been,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Just months. It hadn't been a couple of years. But
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: it was so few and frequent, doesn't really matter kind
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: of a thing. The thing is this too. There's sex
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: and then there's intimacy. And what we didn't have was intimacy.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Even though we'd have like the act. The intimacy with
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: it was gone. So the intimacy itself had been gone
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: for years. Years. And when you don't have the real
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: wonderful conversations and heartfelt moments where... You just sit and
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: you be with that person and you really have a
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: soul connection and this deep level of love. That is
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: what we didn't have for years. And finally, he said
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: he wasn't interested. And I'm like, oh, I guess we're
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: being honest. Awesome. So next time he came over, I'm like,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: you're done. You're not sleeping in my bed anymore. I'm
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: through with this. I don't care where you sleep. It
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter to me. And I started boxing up the stuff.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: And that was awesome. That day was a great day.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, as a viewer, we're all like,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't Robin be thrilled with this? Why wouldn't Robin
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: be thrilled with now I can have, you know, we
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: don't have to hide it anymore. He doesn't have to
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: pretend that he wants to go over to the other
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: wife's house just because we really are each other's like soulmates.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: And the fact that she was so, so upset about
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: you leaving and then Janelle not being happy and then
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Mary being the last one. I think as a viewer,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: we were like, is she crying because this could affect
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the future of the show, which is, you know, what
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: we're all doing here as a career. Two, also, is
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: it that, you know, she doesn't want him around all
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the time. She wants to share the burden of Cody's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: personality with three other women.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Well, she hasn't shared that for a long time, but
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: you can go ahead and finish. Go ahead.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: No, no, but I said, or the third is just like... Um,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want the world to think that she was
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the catalyst. Like she was like, I think so often
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: people in watching it were like, she's keeping him. It's
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: their weird COVID rules. She's saying that she has the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: younger kids. So she's keeping them from the other kids.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: And I think she, she wanted to make sure that
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: everyone saw, no, look, she's the one that's the most
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: upset that these marriages are ending. So she must not
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: be the selfish one because sister wives are all about
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: being selfless, you know?
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she ever, I think she really
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: wanted to. I looked at the episodes last night, of course.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I watch them too. And I remember watching me going,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I don't think she wanted to be a sister wife.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: And I would say at the beginning, I'm sure she did.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: And I think she had this ideal and situation that
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: she wanted. And I'm sure she wants to be a
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: sister wife. And I'm sure she wanted the whole family.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: But I don't know if she knew how to go
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: about it. You can't just know that you put all
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: these expectations on your husband that he has to be
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: around and he's got to help with the kids and stuff.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: And this is the thing. I'm making so many assumptions, Heather.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: So many assumptions. Because I don't know what conversations are
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: like in her head. Thank God I don't have to
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: live in her head. I don't know how she feels.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. She says that she wants to
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: live plural marriage, but I didn't see enough proof of
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: that with my own eyes to know, to believe. her
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: that she wanted to live it. Because I couldn't monopolize Cody.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to. He was a lot of work,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: by the way. And I'm sure part of her is like, holy,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: what am I going to do with him full time?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that's part of it. Or maybe it's not.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I love having David around full time. I love it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: So maybe they have something different in their home. Maybe
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: they have absolute magic. And I don't know why she
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: can't just be happy and be okay. I found out
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: last night that she wants me to go up to
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: her verbally and say, you can have him. And I'm like, girl,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: that's never going to happen. I don't know what you're
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: talking about.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Like off camera. I'm like, so what? You've said it
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: here to the world.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: She wants us to go say to her off camera,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: your majesty, you may have him now. No, it's never
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: going to happen. Yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting is when they had that
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: conversation with Mary.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: And then she was like, Cody feels one way. I
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: feel different. It was so strange because it's like, And
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: then Mary would be like, yeah, but you don't even
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: want to hang out with me. Like, you don't bring
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the kids around. You're not like, so it's not like,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You're going to leave. We
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: have breakfast together every Sunday. Wednesday nights, you take the
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: kid to dance. Like, it wasn't like they had stuff
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: they were going on. And then this was the part
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I thought was most interesting. When he says to her,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: he's getting annoyed with Robin. And Cody goes, you, we
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: made a commitment to each other where you said, where
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Robin said to Cody that, Let me know when you
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: stop loving me. Now, as a woman who's been married
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: for 23 years, and I certainly don't have a perfect marriage,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: but I certainly didn't enter the marriage saying, let me
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: know when you're tired of this. Because I went in
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: with the confidence of knowing, like, we're in love. And
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: why would you ever stop loving the greatest woman that's
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: walked on earth, right?
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, girl.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I think that's really weird that she
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: had ever said that to him. And that tells me
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: that she entered this covenant or whatever feeling that insecure
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: whether that's a polygamous move or not it wasn't a
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: normal thing that I think people say when they're entering
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a marriage let me know I'm tired of this I had.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: No idea that conversation took place until I watched that
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: too yeah it's like oh because well I remember back
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: in Vegas I remember exactly where I was because it
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: shocked me so bad we were sitting in my bathroom
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: we had these huge bathrooms in Vegas it was beautiful
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: he was standing in the closet and he goes I
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: want you to know if you ever want to leave
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I don't want it to be a fight. I don't
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: want us to fight. I want you to be able
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: to leave peacefully. And I'm all, I mean, at that
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: point in marriage was pretty rocky. So I was furious.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, so we're not worth fighting for. You
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be like, girl, we can make this work.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Nothing like that. You would just be like, go, you
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: can go ahead and leave. You can leave anytime. If
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: you want to leave, I'll make it peaceful for you,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: you know? And No, I got furious at him. I
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: was so mad. Why would you say that? We're already struggling.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you say you would want to hold on
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: to this? And we're worth fighting for. No, I was furious.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: And then now I'm like, oh, so I don't know.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: The conversations, all of the agreements, they made agreements. That
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: became a word that was used a lot when Robin
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: started coming into the family. It was the word agreements.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: They made agreements like he would promise to do this
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: if she did this and promised to do this. And
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: it was really a lot of negotiations that they had.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: And that must have been one of their negotiations. And
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, once you stopped being in love with me,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I would have loved to have been let go. You know,
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's so interesting that he said that because
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: you're right. If somebody's in a marriage where they say
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: to the other person, hey, if you want to go, like,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I'll be cool. I know it's probably because they really
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: aren't really in love. Because they're like, could you please
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: be the one and then we can be cool together?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Because I know if I try to leave, you're going
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: to make my life living hell. So I'm letting go. Yeah.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, that's where you're like, what? But that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: should be a sign that you've got to work on it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Because one person kind of has one foot out the door.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Leaving a job, you know, when you kind of know
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: your employee has one foot out the door or whatever.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: It's like the same thing. Like, you've kind of shown
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: your cards that you're not as into this as you
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: were previously. So, like, I'm not going to ignore this.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I think people are.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Like, what?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: And I think with her, like, I just... It's just
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: really kind of like fascinating. It's just fascinating to watch
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: of like what their thing is. And now I think
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: she's just like, I really do think she wanted to
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: sit on the porch and be old, but still know that,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: she's fine because she knows that he loved her the most.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: So she's like, I don't want you guys all to
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: leave because I like the idea and I like all
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the kids being around and I love my kids having like,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you know, 20 siblings. But like, Where is it? And
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: so then when he says to you, when you finally say, okay,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving. And he's so angry about it. He's so
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: angry that you left because I felt like you cracked
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the code of like, you, you, you cracked it open
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: of like this. It does. This doesn't work. This thing
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: that you've put out there, this polygamist doesn't work. So
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: what I found interesting is that when you do finally
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: say I'm moving on, it was like, he was so angry.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: because he's like you know I I never loved you
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and but I still placated this fake marriage and did
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: this facade and I'm so mad that you're respecting yourself
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: to leave and then she just kept being like you
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: can work on it why is it and it's like
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand why she and I still felt
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: it last night like she doesn't get that like You
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: guys weren't happy. The other women weren't happy and you
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: deserve to be happy like she is. And I still
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: felt like she didn't get it last night.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I know. I don't think so either. I think there's
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: some sort of disconnect or I don't know what the
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: deal is. I have no idea. I'm just so grateful
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: I don't live in her mind because I think she
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: must be very, very, very sad to see everything just
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: kind of crumble around her and realize that she's powerless
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: to hold it all together. She doesn't have what it
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: takes to hold it all together. She doesn't. And I
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: think that she just must feel like she's losing such
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: a thing that could have been so beautiful. And I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: went through that grieving process five years ago. I saw
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: that there's nothing that I could do to hold everything together.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: And even though I was grasping and grasping, and I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: remember thinking if I did this and this and this
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: and this and this, then our family would be okay
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: and it would be okay. And it was okay for
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: a little bit longer again. And then And I just
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: realized I was the only one putting in effort and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: doing things together. I thought that's how I felt. I'm
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: sure everybody feels the same, you know. But I think
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: that it's just got to be hard to be in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: her shoes and realize that she doesn't have the power
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: to hold the family together. And I don't know. I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: don't talk to her. I honestly don't.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: So when Mary, when he said last night, Mary found Robin.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: You guys, you had been living together, you know, been
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: living as a family with just the three wives and Cody. When,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: so for like 13 years, nobody talked about bringing on
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: a fourth wife. How did this come about then?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: So on and off, we did talk about bringing in
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: another wife. There was a couple of times where another
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: woman was interested in joining the family. And like one
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: of the women that were interested was just interested in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: a relationship with Cody alone. And I'm like, no, that's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: not going to work for us. And then there was
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: another woman who was interested and that one going all right.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden that was shut down.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: So that was over. But we were interested in there's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: another couple of. of women that wanted to join our
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: family that we talked to for a bit, but it
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: was just something when you live plural marriage, you're never really.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Do you ever.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Wonder about those other, do you ever wonder about those
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: other women? Like what if.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: That was the one that you pushed for where things
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: could have gone.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. There was a woman that he was
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: interested in. He was even like engaged to, and he
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: called off the wedding before he was only married to Mary.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: And then he, there was this other woman that he
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: dated and I wasn't a big fan of hers. And
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: so I was like, well, if he marries her, I'm
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: not going to marry him. That's all that comes down to.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: And he called off the wedding like a week before
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: they got married. And then I was like, oh, I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: guess I could marry Cody again. You know what I mean?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: It does make a difference. Like the women make a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: big difference.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Yes. So you got married. We loved meeting your husband now.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to see the wedding. And I do love
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: that moment last night when you're like, When I'm alone
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: with David and I feel so connected. And then you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: were like, now I get it. Now I get why
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: he wanted to stay there, what their connection was. And like,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a, you know, an epiphany
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: for you too, of like, and a selfless, you know,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: and being just honest, like it's not their fault that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: they had a stronger bond than you and he had.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Like it's not. And so to fake it, but like,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: let's not fake it anymore. When you're only, you know,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: you still have, we might live till we're a hundred.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: You still have a whole nother half of your life
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: to live. I know.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I just want to be happy. And I want them
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: to be so happy. And once I had that realization moment,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: I was like, ah, then they probably felt trapped. And
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: I wonder if Cody would have loved to have a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: conversation with us, something like, hey, I just met the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: love of my life and she's amazing. And we have
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: this incredible bond. And I didn't realize that what we
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: had wasn't as strong, but I still honor our relationship.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: But I wish, but maybe he didn't feel like that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: was even anything. I don't know. I don't know if
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: even consciously he had that thought. I think that he
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: just thinks I wasn't in love with them. Now that
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: he sees he's so in love with Robin, I think
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: that he was like, I wasn't in love with them.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: And I think that he was, I remember feeling like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: he loved me.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I, Heather, I.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Was standing in my kitchen and just, I realized I
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: love David. I know it was such a crazy epiphany
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: and it's going to be one of my favorite epiphanies
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: I ever had because they let go of any anger
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: or frustration because it wasn't their fault. Love just happens.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And when it happens, you want to embrace it and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: just go forward and move forward in happiness. And I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: want them to move forward with happiness too and just
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: go and live your life.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: But I think also how Cody treated you guys to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: get you to the place of leaving. A lot of
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: men do that. A lot of men don't have the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: balls to say what they feel and break up. I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: saw something where this divorce attorney said she'd been an
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: attorney for 30 years and She said only in two
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: cases did a man file for divorce who didn't already
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: have a woman lined up. But in like 80 percent
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: of her cases where the woman filed, she had nobody
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: lined up. She was just so sick of the husband.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: So I like I do feel like men sometimes, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: get to a point, whether it's conscious or not, to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: have the women sort of make the decision for them. So,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you know, we can be mad at Cody, but I
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people can say, yeah, looking back
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: at my own normal marriage, the husband treated me bad
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: or the boyfriend or whatever, you know?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: I think what I went through was normal. What I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: went through with just mine and Cody's marriage was normal.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Totally relatable.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: I had to end it. He wasn't going to. For him,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: he would have just been like, eh, here it is.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: And we're just going to keep on doing this. And
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: that's all. you know, it's, I think it is 100% relatable.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I hear that all the time, like shopping at the store,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: you'd be surprised at how many women are like, my
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: marriage was the exact same. And I didn't know, like,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: I had no idea that what I had isolated was
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: such a normal marriage for dysfunctional marriage. I didn't know
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: until I left and women started talking to me and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: resonating with it. And Being like, I left my husband too.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: And it's the exact same. I'm like, wait, what? And
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: it was amazingly eye-opening. And it does help you not
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: be angry.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I know you have to go. And I loved
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: meeting you.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, same.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Are you at all close to the University of Utah?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm right next door. The University of Utah
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: is probably 45 minutes away.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: OK, well, my son has been accepted. And we are
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: going to go look at it. And so maybe we
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: can make a plan to either do another podcast or
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: just get together and like have dinner. Maybe the husbands
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: can meet because I thoroughly enjoy talking to you as just,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: you know, as a woman that I'm just glad you,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Stuck up for yourself. I think you present yourself great.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I love Sister Wives. I'll never stop watching the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's so different than Real Housewives or competition shows or
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: anything like that. And I'm excited. I hope the show
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: continues on because I really want to see your journey
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: in your own lives, in maintaining your sister-wife relationship, whether
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: it gets better or worse or takes a whole other direction.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: It's just fascinating. So I hope it continues on for
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: a long time. And tell everybody where they can follow
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you if they aren't already.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: You got it. So like Instagram, I'm Instagram. It's Christine
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: something Brown SW. Shoot, it's terrible. It's like Christine underscore
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Brown SW is where you can find my Instagram. And no,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: I am so overwhelmed. Thank you so much. I've loved
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: talking to you. And I love hearing so many things
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: that are normal because that's, I think what you kind
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: of live in a bubble a little bit. So thank you.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Just talking about this has been really eyeopening for me too.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: And yeah, double date anytime I'd be down.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. Thank you again.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Take care.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. Thanks, Nicole. Tomorrow. So are you good with everything?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, we'll like clean it up where the little
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: mistakes are. But like, other than that, I felt the conversations,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: everything were great. And I feel like we got into
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that a lot of people wondered
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: about that we haven't known. So I'm excited for people
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: to hear it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for being so respectful. I thought you really
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: were very respectful of And thank you so much. It
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: was an absolute pleasure.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, always, always. I, yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: It was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I have a dream to work, I have a dream
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  Speaker 1: to work with.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: You are, and I would do a double date with you.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Awesome. I'd love to hear about things like this. Great,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: thank you.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks so much. Bye.
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