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The Study of Baptism Part 3 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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Welcome back to the Simply Christ podcast hosted by Leon
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Martin, along with Aaron Keaton, Melvin Martin, Andrew Schrock
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and Dan Blatz. Let's get right to it.
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All righty, we are ready to go on this cold Monday night here
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in Iowa. And very other Bolts of course.
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So thanks for joining us. We're looking forward to diving
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into the topic of baptism again tonight as we have very
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interesting couple of last week's.
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I don't know if we could get through it tonight or not.
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I doubt it probably kind of branches out into a lot of
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different things. So anyway, interesting
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discussion. Thanks for being on here with
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us. I will have Aaron open us up
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with a word of prayer. Our most holy and righteous
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Father, we are thankful for your word and know that it's a
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blessing to be able to have it in print, be able to have many
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copies of it, to be able to look at it freely and not have to
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hide it or be worried to be caught with it.
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We're just thankful that we live in a country that we can get on
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here and study it together and not be again scared to do so.
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You just realize how blessed we are and just ask your blessing
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on this study. Praise you be able to.
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Be led by the Spirit and dig out those things that you would have
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us to find. We know that the Spirit is a
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revealer of truth, and we just pray that He would open up the
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truth to us tonight and help us to see those things that you'd
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have us to see. Because all those that hear it.
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That might lead them to your son and that they might have a
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desire to be a partaker of the death of Christ died in and also
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the resurrection that he that he did all those years ago.
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And I'll just prayed all these things in Jesus precious name,
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Amen. All right, so we had been
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talking about baptism. How about the relationship
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between baptism and salvation? How that works?
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We discussed that a little bit. We discussed about baptism being
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symbolic, or is it something more?
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Is it like a command, that type of thing?
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A lot of stuff. So you can go back and see
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previous episodes or podcasts on our YouTube channel, Simply
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Christ Ministries. You can find it there or go to
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our website, Simply Christ Ministries.
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There's links to all the social media, podcasts, whatever on
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there as we record it multiple, but so I think it'd be worth
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your time. It's some really good, really
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good stuff there. Tonight we're going to open up
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with this question and I'll let Andrew go first.
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The question is when is somebody ready to be baptized?
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I know this might seem elementary to some people, but
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there are first time, you know, readers or that that don't know
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for sure what that means and what it all entails.
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So can you fill us in on that, Andrew?
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What was that? The short, quick answer is that
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you can look at the experience of the unique.
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Obviously he didn't understand what he was reading and when he
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found out what he was reading and understood the what Jesus
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Christ came for to do, when he understood the meaning of and he
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understood the gospel, he's the one that said, well, why don't I
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get baptized? And they say, yeah, there's
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water right there, let's go do it.
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And so from there, we can learn that if you understand the
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gospel, you know what it means, you know what you're doing,
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You're making the decision to be a follower of Jesus Christ and
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put your faith in him and walk, walk with him the rest of your
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days. You're ready to be baptized.
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I know churches had a lot of conditions to it.
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They had membership, they had commitment to the the
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confessions. They had a bunch of rules that
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they tie into with your with your baptism, not confession,
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but with your baptism. Baptism a lot of times there's a
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bunch of things connected with your baptism that is are not in
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the Bible like traditions so that when you leave those
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traditions, they say that you basically threw away the
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baptism, your promises before God and everything like they tie
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all that in with your baptism. And if you're looking in that
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aspect, whether you're whether you're ready or not, then I
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think you need to come back to whether you trust Jesus Christ
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that he took your place on the cross and that he died and rose
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again, and he wants to baptize you into him and make you one
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with him. You understand that?
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Then you're baptized with the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
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And like in it now, Oh shoot, now I lost a verse in Luke 316,
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Luke 316. He says that John answers,
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saying to them all, I I indeed baptize you with water, but one
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mightier than I cometh cometh the latches of whose shoes I'm
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not worth it on loose. He shall baptize you with the
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Holy Ghost. So there's a baptism that is
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more important than water. We can see there.
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Like the water is not the key. The key is that you're baptized
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with the Holy Ghost and the way you do that is to believe the
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gospel. Another aspect is some people
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like, well, I don't know for sure if I believe.
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I don't know if the gospel is mine.
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I don't know if I'm ready to be baptized.
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I don't want to get baptized and then find out later I wasn't
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born again. If that's the case study, search
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him, seek him until you are resolved and that you're
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trusting nothing else. A lot of times religious with
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all the religions that we hear and are surrounded with, makes
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it hard for us to think, to trust ourselves, whether we
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actually just believe the gospel or not.
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And then we sit around trying to figure out if we're ready.
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But it's very simple. Do you trust anything other than
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Jesus Christ for your salvation? And if you do, then you need to
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do some more learning. But if you're resolved from the
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fact that you have no other hope than Jesus Christ and him
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crucifying him taking your place, you're ready to get.
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I mean, that's, that's what a believer is.
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You know, you're to me, you're ready to be baptized.
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So. Yeah.
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No, that's, that's good. And you touched on that briefly.
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I think sometimes we need to be careful that we don't wait to
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see if there's a certain amount of fruit or that will you be
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achieved this level? You know, if you place your
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faith in Christ, you believe that he is the risen Son of God
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and that he died, that you could live if you actually believe
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that that you're ready for baptism in that regard.
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I mean, there's there's a ton of growing that can still happen
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there. And I would I would definitely
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not encourage somebody to wait and see necessarily.
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Like you're a believer. Let's go, let's go.
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Let's, let's show ourselves and the world that that this is what
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we actually got baptized into. But yeah, Melvin, go ahead.
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What's your thoughts on that? Yeah, so I mean, we were raised
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that you had to be a certain age, right to to get baptized.
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It was between 18 and 20 years old.
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And but that's not what the Scripture says in Acts 16 when
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Paul and Silas came. Out of the.
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Prison, When the prison doors came falling down and they
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walked out of prison and then the prison keeper was going to
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kill himself. And he said in Acts 1630 he said
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to Paul and Silas, he brought them out and said, Sirs, what
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must I do to be saved? And in verse 31 of Acts 16 it
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says, and they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou
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should be saved, and thy house, that's important in thy house.
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And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that
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were in his house. And then it says that he took
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them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes, and
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was baptized He and all his straight away so.
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According to the scriptures, there's.
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Other scriptures that back that up as well.
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And I just picked that one out. But like you guys already
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brought out that it's when you believe and, and can understand
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what Christ and only Christ has done for my sins.
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And you believe that by faith and have been, you know, at that
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moment you get baptized by the Holy Ghost, like Andrew said,
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and then you're ready for water baptism.
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So it's not so much about age. I like what Lien said.
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That's kind of the way I see it when you get baptized.
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That's another thing that I hear a lot and I trump churches and
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other people. They say, well, we want to see,
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you know, if you actually truly believe, like we want to see
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fruit first or whatever, but that's not really what the Bible
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says. The Bible says they got saved,
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they believe and they got baptized immediately straight
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away. And so that's kind of the way I
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see it. And it's just it, like I said
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before, it's a public declaration that I am all in for
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Christ, not only to those around you and the other believers, but
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also for yourself. So.
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Yeah, that's, that's good stuff. Eric, what's your thoughts on
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that? Yeah, similar to what Melvin was
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saying. I, like I said, personal
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experience. I had baptized all my kids that
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are over 10, all of them before they were 10, probably because
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they desired it like they wanted to.
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And I think that what Leon read there is a great example of that
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because he, he goes to that house and you could say the
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jailer had some work, right? He he takes them out, he washes
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the stripes, but the rest of the house doesn't have any time.
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All they did is hear a message. So there was nothing like the
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way I read that verse. They baptized him and all his
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all those of these house. I have no idea how old there
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was, how many kids he had, but I think everybody that confessed
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to believe that story was baptized.
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And I think that that's, you know, that wasn't my experience.
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I know you all kind of had the experience that you would have
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had to went through a class or went through some kind of, you
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know, teaching to get you there. That's not the way I was raised
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and that's not the way I have done is it's always been you
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believe the message as Andrew read do what's you know, like he
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didn't say this exactly, but that's what the eunuch said.
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What would hinder me, you know, like the obvious question is
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what's holding me back? And Philip did not say, well,
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let's see, let's have a little Bible trivia and see how much
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you know about the Bible. He just said, do you believe
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that Jesus Christ, the Son of God?
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The guy said yes. And he says, OK, let's baptize.
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It's it's not like there's some amount of knowledge or some
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level of understanding or you know, like you don't have to
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have a certain IQ. You don't have to have a certain
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maturity level. Like it's not.
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It is simply do you believe just like the guy was told in Acts
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chapter 16, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
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That's the only real restriction.
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Do you believe that or not? So I think that that would be
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that would cover in other words, I said that to say it covers
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age, IQ, understand you know what I mean, It that covers all
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that. The question, that one question
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covers all of those. Aspects yeah, which is which is
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a good segue into kind of. I just wanted to, you know, kind
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of back up here a little bit. So what about where would you
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put, you know, there's a lot of children that get baptized as
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babies, you know, without their consent or, you know, complain.
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It really So is in that case, how would you how would you
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handle that? Well, Velvet touched on it too.
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You know, like, like knowing, realizing what you're what it is
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about, you know, that would play some some role there.
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Wouldn't let her like what what I guess kind of my question is
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what validates, you know, a yeah, go ahead from from an
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elder or from somebody that's, you know, someone comes to you
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and says he's 10 years old. He says I was baptized as a
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baby. You know, would you recommend
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that I would get baptized now that I believe that Christ is is
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the son of God and that he died that I could live kind of thing
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Andrew or anybody really, I guess kind of open here.
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I've got a thought on it. But yeah, go ahead.
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I would say that the the keyword for me anyway, I'm not saying I
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have a perfect verse for this, but but I have a several
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examples of this. The perfect example is desire,
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right? It's it's not restricted by age.
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Understanding all that. To me, the keyword here is
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desire. And I feel like that's not if I
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was going to argue why it's not necessary, I wouldn't say it's a
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sin to baptize a baby necessarily, but the reason I
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would argue that there's not a reason to is there's no desire
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there, right? You're you're, you're doing
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something that the person has no desire.
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Every time you see someone someone baptized in the Bible,
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it is because of desire. Right, like.
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I desire they are desiring for this action to be on them.
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So that would be my thought on that is I would, I would always
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personally not not I just would because now they have the
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desire, right? I'm not going to say I don't
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worry about it. You know, you don't use baptized
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when you use an infant. I would just say, yeah, you've
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got the desire. Let's do that.
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The desire is that. Which a scripture that kind of
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actually brings that out is what you were talking about.
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The eunuch there like he immediately some somewhere
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within he immediately desired to be baptized after he had heard
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the the teachings about this Christ from the Old Testament,
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right. I mean, that's basically what he
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heard. And he was like, well, why?
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Why would I get baptized? Kind of, you know?
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And I'll say this. I.
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Don't know. I have seen.
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I have seen people and I don't know what's going on in any of
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these people's hearts, but I have seen people watch someone
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else confess faith in Christ and be baptized and that pushes them
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over the edge to do that. And I think that's what you're
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seeing in these people's houses, right?
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The the Cornelius or the jailer or whatever.
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He does something and it stirs a desire in the rest of the
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family. Like, I don't know, I may be
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wrong about that, but that's the way I kind of see that.
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Like I think they see that example of, of faith and they
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move on that example. But I don't know, that's my
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thoughts. Like in my mind, I don't know of
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the verse that says it's wrong necessarily to baptize infants
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in my mind. But so if according to the
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scriptures with its understanding or knowledge of of
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the Gospel, like you, if you can't understand that, like a
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infant can't understand that, he can't comprehend that, so why?
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Why would you, right. So it's just what comes to my
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mind, but. You're muted, Andrew.
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You're muted, Andrew. Our ancestors got persecuted for
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getting baptized again because they were baptized as infants.
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And the argument back then was, is that they wanted to be
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baptized as a believer, A believer's baptism, and that
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caused a big ruckus. So there's something significant
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to that just in that fact. But I wanted to make another
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comment on the first question. There was something that I
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struggled with a lot, and that is the desire to be baptized and
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move on with Jesus Christ extremely strong.
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It was just I didn't know whether I had it and my life
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told me I didn't too many times. So my experience, I was looking
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for a changed life, a changed person to justify me getting
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baptized. And I think a lot of people are
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in that trap more than we think. And so I thought I would touch
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on that a little bit. And one thing that will clear it
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up for you is God says He so loved the world that he gave his
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only begotten sound, that whosoever believeth on him
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should not perish, whatever everlasting life, unless your
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life hasn't changed, right? Doesn't say that.
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Yeah, but unless you can't prove it, unless you haven't stopped
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sinning, or unless this doesn't mean he doesn't deal with sin.
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It's just that's not the gospel. The gospel is not that you have
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to prove it. The gospel of Jesus Christ is
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that he died for you and gave his life for you, completely
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separated from you. It's not up to you whether it's
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true or not. Your experience, your life, you.
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Stopping sin, stopping certain habits does not make the gospel
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true. The blood of Jesus Christ
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cleanses you whether you stopped or did or did not do something.
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So when you're waiting for your life to get better to prove that
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you believe the gospel is actually unbelievable, that's
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not that's not the gospel. The gospel is not that the
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gospel is that Jesus took your place.
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That's the gospel. And in that Gospel, being
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baptized in Holy Ghost, you can believe the effects of the
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gospel afterwards. You can believe that you're dead
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and free from sin and live according to that faith.
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But that has nothing to do with whether you should get baptized.
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Or not. That's right, the.
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Reason you get baptized is for believing that he took your
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place. That's.
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Right. Yeah, that's good.
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I I appreciate that that recap there, that's good.
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But yeah, it's 100% what So the answer that I hear from you guys
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and I agree with this. So when somebody is ready to be
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baptized upon the confession of faith in Christ, that's that's
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basically what it boils down to. So that automatically kind of
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invalidates infant baptism. It also validates A believer's
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baptism, you know, for some that were baptized prior to, because
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that was like, for me, it was something that I had to do if I
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wanted to, you know, get married or whatever.
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Go on. You know, that I didn't have a
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desire to be baptized whatsoever.
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Matter of fact, the idea was kind of dreadful.
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You know, I did that day at all. And second day, I was pumped.
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I wanted to get baptized. It was deep within me to do
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that. So yeah.
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Yeah. No, that's that's real good
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stuff. All right, we're going to switch
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gears just a little bit. Yeah.
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And again, this, some of this stuff is kind of elementary, but
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it makes good discussion. I like hearing this, Melvin.
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So does the way that somebody is baptized matter biblically
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speaking, Like I'm talking about being sprinkled or, you know,
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dogged or, you know, like it is, is that important?
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Because again, there's a lot of people in this world that you
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know, have been sprinkled or have been, I don't know what
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poured on that kind of thing. So what's what's your thoughts
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on that, biblically speaking? Well, yeah, I mean, I'm going to
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first of all say if you look up the word, that word baptized or
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baptized or baptism in Bible, it this is what it says.
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It says to immerse or to submerge.
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And so that is pretty clear to me.
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And that I guess the other thing is, is that when I look at the
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account of the eunuch, you know, they were driving along in there
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in the carriage, right? And eunuchs like.
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Hey, look, there's. Water like he wasn't like to me
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when he says that I in my mind, it's like a river or a lake or
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something, right? It wasn't like just a water
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spigot beside the road necessarily.
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So I was sprinkled when I initially was baptized into the
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Mennonite Church. And I, I guess when I got saved
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and baptized into Christ and then I started reading the
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Bible, actually I was like, wait a minute, The Bible says, you
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know, according to the Bible, we should be immersed or submerged.
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So I wanted to get dunked in the, in the, you know, river or
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whatever. It doesn't.
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Yeah, to me. I remember Leon, do you remember
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that time we baptized that couple in, it was freezing cold
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in the winter time and we baptized that couple in the pool
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in a, in a motel or a hotel. We went into the hotel and said,
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hey, can we use your pool for a little bit, right.
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And they're like, hey, sure, go ahead.
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And it was like 0° outside, right.
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So as far as that part, I don't see it being, you know, a
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difference necessary, but according to the scripture it
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should be immersed or submerged. Yeah, yeah.
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I'm going to. I would point to.
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I know, I understand that most people would not or a lot of
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people would would be pointing this to be in the baptism or the
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circumcision without hands, you know, the baptism, the Holy
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Ghost. But I'm going to point to Romans
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6 as a reference because he says in Romans 6, know ye not that so
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many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ or baptized into
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his death, Therefore we buried with him by baptism into death.
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That like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of
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the Father, Even so we also should walk in newness of life.
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For if we have been planted together in the likeness, like
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in the likeness like, you know, you're doing something in a, you
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know, in a similitude, in a like manner, in the likeness of his
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death, we shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection,
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knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the
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body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not
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serve sin. So to me, because this was never
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again, this was not a part of my struggle growing up.
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Everybody that was baptized was immersed.
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So I almost scoffed at the people that thought you could do
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anything but that, you know, like that was so far from our
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thoughts and it but it was because of this verse.
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I mean, it was because we understood that it was in the
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similitude of death. And I, I know this is kind of
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silly, but I've heard preachers say, have you ever seen babe
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buried with just their heads sticking out?
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Or you ever seen babe buried with their legs sticking out?
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You know, like they were, they were making a joke.
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But but the point was if it's a similitude of birth of a death,
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that's you bury somebody completely, right?
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You know, you're putting them completely in that, which is not
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a bad point, right? I mean, if it's if it's in the
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similitude of his death and his burial and his resurrection,
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then it ought to be like it. And there's nothing about
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sprinkling or pouring that is like it.
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It's just not just not the same. Very good point, Andrew.
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He's muted. I don't know what dot really if
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he has a big deal about it or not, but it sprinkling and
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crawling is definitely not the definition of baptism.
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So I we do all immersion. But again, the water baptism is
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not what saves you. So I guess I wouldn't make too
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big of a deal except for the fact if you want to represent
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the idea of baptism going down into the grave and coming back
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up out a new creature, I want to go all the way.
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I don't want any part of this old man to still be out of the
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ground and just sprinkle on top a little bit.
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I want to be completely immersed in Christ and come out a brand
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new man, not just not just the top of my baldness.
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Yeah, that's, that's good. And you know, so if you if you
25:59
think about, you know, as a baptism valid like I need to
26:03
really get down to the bones about it though that someone
26:05
comes to you and says they were sprinkled post baptism.
26:09
What's your advice? Go get baptized, you know, yeah,
26:13
yeah, you know, and I really I don't want to I'm going to go to
26:16
Scripture in Colossians 2 here he's making the point about
26:21
being in Christ. He says for your completed him,
26:25
which is the head of all principality and power, that in
26:27
verse 12 he says buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are
26:30
risen with him through the faith of the operation of God who has
26:34
raised him from the dead. That comes across a lot of the
26:36
same exactly what Aaron was saying.
26:38
Like if you claimed for it to be a representation of you in
26:42
Christ, then let's make it a representation of you in Christ,
26:45
right. I mean, that's I think I think
26:47
that I think the Scriptures actually rock solid on that.
26:49
We tend to want to excuse it some way or another, maybe a
26:51
little bit. Yeah.
26:53
That's funny because one of the guys that we baptized, evidently
26:58
he, well, he does read his Bible.
27:00
It was actually Evan Amston and he goes out so many times when
27:04
they baptize. Not everything goes completely
27:08
down and he's like, I want to make sure you guys get me all
27:12
the way like he was. So I remember I remember going
27:16
down and sure enough, like part of his wrist didn't quite.
27:20
So I actually just made and I'm like pushed all.
27:24
So it was like. It was like a little bit of a
27:27
like a delay. Maybe they don't know that he
27:28
yanked down and stuff, but I just it matched.
27:32
It meant a lot to him. It's like he wants to be fully
27:35
immersed in Jesus Christ like that his, that was his faith and
27:38
believe is that Jesus Christ fully swallowed us up into the
27:44
victory basically. So that was kind of funny.
27:47
Yeah, that that's a good story, you know, and so earlier we
27:51
talked a little bit maybe the first week that we were doing
27:54
about whether, you know, it's symbolic or if it's something
27:57
more. I think it's a lot more than
27:59
just symbolic, but it is also symbolic though, because that's
28:02
actually it is representing the water baptism is representing
28:08
something else. So it is actually a symbolic
28:11
thing. So if the symbol is important
28:14
that it isn't symbolic, then it's important that we hold the
28:17
symbol, right? I mean, that's that mean.
28:19
That's true the whole way through, doesn't it?
28:21
Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah.
28:23
If I would just do put it this way, if I would just believe in
28:26
sprinkling or water baptism, I wouldn't get baptized at all.
28:29
You know, that's not what baptism is.
28:32
I would just, but I'm not saying you're not a believer.
28:35
I'm just saying you weren't baptized.
28:37
You were. That's right.
28:38
You were sprinkled. Yeah, demonstrated.
28:41
Absolutely. All right, Aaron, I'll let you
28:44
go on this one. What does baptism say about a
28:47
believer's identity in Christ? And I guess to clarify that
28:51
question a little bit, we often see that baptism is synonymous
28:59
with being born again or being in the faith, I should say.
29:04
Because if you ask somebody if they're a believer or a child of
29:07
God, you know, you could watch like Ray Comfort St. preaching
29:12
videos, a lot of stuff like similar to that.
29:15
And one of the first things that a lot of people will, well, I
29:18
lived a good life or why was baptized.
29:22
So what does the baptism actually do to a believer's
29:26
identity? Is there some correlation there?
29:30
I mean, I think we already addressed this a little.
29:32
I think somebody, I think Andrew said this and I agree with it.
29:36
I think somebody could in right in a moment of faith, like have
29:43
a like they could really put their faith in as that act is
29:48
done. Now I'm not saying it's tied to
29:50
it, but but I would say this, this may not answer your
29:54
question exactly, but this was my thought when I before you
29:57
clarified it. But before you clarified the
30:00
question, I was thinking that that actually I was going to
30:05
want to read the same verse I read for the other question
30:08
there in Romans, because it does to me.
30:13
If if it is a if it's in the similitude or in a likeness of a
30:17
death, then that's what it says about the person.
30:20
It's kind of like what Evan Amazon wanted to do.
30:23
He wanted to say I am covered in Christ, right.
30:26
I mean, you know that that's what verse is it in?
30:30
What's it in Colossians when he says your life is hid with God
30:34
in Christ, You know, like you are.
30:37
In other words, I could also turn to Hebrews and say that he
30:41
says that he so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many
30:46
through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all
30:49
offered one sacrifice for sin forever.
30:51
So like it does it is showing that it is showing that this
30:57
it's not life. Actually, I think again, Andrew
31:00
said that it's not like that that death with Christ took care
31:06
of part of your sins or from the neck down sins or whatever like
31:11
that death in Christ covered all your sins, right.
31:16
So I think that that is and again I would I would point you
31:21
to that Romans 6 when he says that therefore we are buried
31:24
with him by baptism into death that like as Christ was raised
31:28
from the dead up from the dead by the glory of the Father.
31:31
Even so we also should walk in newness of life like it is it is
31:35
a putting a complete killing of the old man and a birthright of
31:43
a new man. That is what it that to me, that
31:47
is what it is saying. I'm not, don't, don't say that.
31:50
I'm not saying that that's the moment it happens, though it may
31:54
be for somebody that is the moment they really have faith
31:57
that is possible, but it's not like it's contingent upon the
32:00
action happening. But it is that is what it
32:05
identifies with. Like I think that is what it's
32:07
showing, that that person died and raised up a new man.
32:11
So if I hear you right now, I'll let you go.
32:13
Andrew, it is still faith that places us into Christ, it's
32:19
true. But it could be a preacher or a
32:21
brother or somebody that places you into the water as a
32:24
representation of that. Oh yeah, no, it's true.
32:27
Well, because that's what I guess that's when I read the
32:30
question, what does baptism say about a person's identity?
32:34
I was, I was thinking of it, of what is the message that someone
32:38
would get from watching it happen?
32:40
And I think that that's the message that the person should
32:43
get, is it? It is a showing of what happened
32:48
already to the person, a death, a burial and resurrection,
32:51
right? I mean, I think that's the
32:53
saying they should identify with that action.
32:57
Andrew. Yeah, I had read our thing in
33:01
our first session in in Acts. There were some got baptized and
33:06
received the Holy Ghost while they got baptized and they
33:10
started speaking in tongues and whatever.
33:12
And then some were baptized but it didn't get the Holy Spirit.
33:17
And later people laid hands on them, they got the Holy Spirit.
33:21
Some were baptized with the baptism of John and then later
33:24
got baptized in the Christ like a spiritual baptism happened.
33:29
So it's it's either. It can be either way.
33:35
But one thing that is true and clear and sure is that getting
33:43
baptized outside of believing and trusting and resting in
33:48
Jesus Christ will not save you whether you believe it then or
33:55
while you get baptized or before you got baptized or after you
33:58
get baptized. Bottom line is do you believe?
34:02
And I don't know that it's important when based on your
34:08
baptism necessary. If you believe beforehand is
34:15
none of the way it goes. You believe the gospel and then
34:18
you have a desire to be baptized.
34:19
Now, some have a desire to be baptized because they're tired
34:24
of feeling like they're not part of the body of Christ.
34:27
And maybe there's benefits in the church by being baptized, by
34:29
getting married and stuff you guys have mentioned and stuff.
34:31
So some people just get baptized because it makes their life
34:35
easier. It's not that they fall in love
34:37
with Jesus Christ. So I don't really know what else
34:41
to say about that. And it's just kind of maybe a
34:44
little. Bit of a of a weird.
34:47
Question. But it is a weird question that
34:49
we deal with, I guess. Yeah, but you read the Bible,
34:54
you'll know that understanding the gospel and believing it is
34:58
what saves you. Yep, for sure now with any
35:01
thoughts additional. Yeah, I, I don't have a whole
35:05
lot of thoughts. You guys pretty much covered it,
35:06
but yeah, it definitely like you guys were saying.
35:09
I would agree with 100% that, you know, it's not you're
35:15
necessarily an identity or your identity in Christ is not being
35:19
baptized. Your identity in Christ is what
35:23
Christ has done for you. And and you should be rejoicing
35:28
about that, right? And in that rejoicing, you're
35:32
going to have a, you know, do water baptism.
35:36
So I that's my thought on but. Yeah, go ahead.
35:42
Now I was just going to say I don't know who said I guess
35:46
Andrew said something. Remind me this, you know, Mark
35:49
1616 says he that believeth is baptized shall be saved, but he
35:53
that believeth not shall be damned.
35:56
And I personal experience, I saw people growing up that I feel
36:00
like we're pressured or talked into being baptized and that did
36:08
them no good, right? I mean, if I didn't believe the
36:11
message, it was pointless. Now the the preacher that talked
36:15
him into it, maybe the whole congregation there felt some
36:18
kind of relief or some kind of joy in that.
36:22
But what was the point? If you just if you just convince
36:26
them that this is an act, please let me do this act to you.
36:28
Please let me do this act to you.
36:30
You've missed it, right? You've missed it there.
36:33
So that it is not, it is not an, it's not an identification that
36:41
comes in other words, there's no point in it.
36:43
There's no identity in it if there's no belief in it, right?
36:47
Yeah. Yeah.
36:48
I think actually that identity identity kind of precedes
36:53
baptism oftentimes because so we're we're actually where we
36:58
become saved. We understand what Christ did
37:00
for us. We'd be we understand that we're
37:02
in him. We already know our identity.
37:04
We already know where we stand in regards to Christ.
37:07
We just want to now show it off, you know, like, and and maybe it
37:12
does something. Yeah, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't
37:14
say that it doesn't do something for us, though in like, you
37:18
know, put that stake in the ground and saying this, you know
37:21
it to me. And I've said that before.
37:23
Like looking back now, at the time I didn't really think about
37:26
it. But now looking back, it's like,
37:28
yeah, it was, it was a precious time.
37:30
It was a time that when I think of my salvation story, I think
37:33
of my baptism. It's, it's there.
37:35
It's it's like that, that that spot in my memory.
37:40
Yeah. Because.
37:41
I can I say this, I'll say this. It's.
37:43
Like. It's like a it's like a walk by
37:48
faith. You know, sometimes all you
37:50
really do is believe. And then when you act on that
37:54
belief, something happens, you know, like something positive
37:58
happens. And I think that that could be
38:00
the same way. I think that the person could
38:02
already believe the right thing, but when they do the ACT it, it
38:06
might become more real to them. They may like, you know, I mean,
38:11
I don't know you, you, you may, you may think about it more
38:17
like, wow, I mean, I, I have went through a death, not that
38:20
the death happened there, but it may make the individual actually
38:24
think about it in the moment. Like, wow, this is, you know,
38:27
this is really what has happened to me in Christ.
38:30
And like I said, not at the moment.
38:32
I'm just saying a recognition, like a like a step of faith,
38:36
like you believe this is the gospel and you believe you ought
38:39
to do this, you do this and then it makes it very real to the
38:42
person, you know, like the action made it made it real.
38:45
They saw, they physically saw something, you know, like they
38:49
saw it in another person or it happened to them and they
38:52
experienced this dirt, you know, burial and coming back about
38:56
that. So like I said, not not
38:58
effectual necessarily in God's eyes, but I'm just saying it
39:01
can, you know, can make it real to a person really.
39:06
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. OK, Andrew, did you have the
39:12
sheets or what the questions are in front of you?
39:16
It doesn't matter. I just wondered if you knew if
39:18
you were kind of geared up for this next question.
39:20
I might because we kind of hit it already.
39:21
So I'm going to jump to 9. And that question is how should
39:26
the church approach baptism today?
39:30
And when I think of that question, like what, what is the
39:37
church's responsibility? Like I, I mean, a local group of
39:40
believers, what is their responsibility regarding the
39:44
idea of baptism is, you know, is it something that we should, you
39:51
know, teach and expect, or is it something that we, you know, we
39:55
teach it, whether it comes up in Scripture where you're doing
39:57
your verse by verse, you know, what, what's your idea?
40:00
What? What kind of authority should
40:02
the Church have in this matter? Or responsibility, I should say.
40:05
What kind of responsibility should the Church have in this
40:07
matter? I think the responsibility that
40:11
we need to have is that the people that get baptized and
40:16
that come out of our churches, when they're asked if they're
40:19
going to heaven or not, they're not going to say, yeah, because
40:23
I was baptized. They're going to say, yeah,
40:27
because Jesus took my place and he died and rose again and he
40:31
made me a new creature in him. And baptism is not the first
40:37
thing I think about when I somebody challenged me.
40:40
I hardly ever think about it. So I think we need to keep it
40:43
that way because we don't want to put faith in our baptism.
40:46
We put faith in Jesus Christ and a lot of people put their faith
40:51
in baptism, which gets really rocky.
40:53
So when their life is a mess, they always hang out while I was
40:57
baptized. Well, I don't really care that
40:58
we're baptized, you know, I care whether you believe the gospel
41:02
or not. So I think the churches could
41:06
repent in a lot of ways to the point where people actually put
41:10
their faith in Christ instead of so much that they did all the
41:13
things that the church asked them to do.
41:16
Churches are really good, ministers are really good, which
41:18
I understand the temptation. That's very real.
41:20
I deal with it all the time. You want so bad for people to be
41:24
delivered. You want so bad for people's
41:26
life to be better. You hate to see them struggle.
41:29
So if there's anything you can do and if you could think, well,
41:31
maybe if they would get baptized, maybe the Holy Spirit
41:33
would come, they would finally have something that where they
41:36
put that stake in the ground and now they're committed, They're
41:38
convinced it. There's a lot of temptation to
41:42
try to make up the mind of people, you know, to help them
41:45
make up their mind and pressure them.
41:47
And to Aaron's point, I don't think it's good for churches to
41:50
pressure the people to be baptized if it if you're not
41:53
persuaded and if there's not that desire there on your own
41:56
and you don't see it and it's not just kind of a fruit of a
42:01
believer that you want to get, do that next step.
42:05
I don't think the church should be the ones trying to guilt
42:08
trick somebody or or maybe even make it even to where there's a
42:12
bunch of benefits in the church if you're baptized or it makes
42:17
you look less judged or more, more judged or whatever.
42:21
Like, yeah, yeah, it should be pretty clean.
42:24
I think it should be pretty clean.
42:26
Well, you guys give good answers, no?
42:31
Well, it seems. According to the scripture.
42:34
Again, it we should be as the church or as the body of Christ,
42:39
we should be talking about Jesus and sharing the gospel.
42:44
That should be our focus, talking about Jesus and the
42:48
goodness of God through Jesus and what Jesus has done for us.
42:54
I'm not talking about necessarily just the preacher.
42:56
I'm saying everybody in the body as a whole, if you're excited
43:02
about Christ and you're talking about Christ and what he has
43:07
done in the goodness of him and like, what is the gospel?
43:11
The gospel is the definition of the gospel is good news, right?
43:16
And so if you're giving someone good news, you're not scaring
43:21
them into getting saved. And I see that happen so many
43:25
times where preachers are like you were saying, Andrew, they so
43:28
much want people to get delivered and it but they try
43:33
and scare you into heaven. And and that I don't think is a
43:37
good thing. I think if we are just just
43:42
organically on fire for Christ and that is our focus.
43:48
And then when people get saved and get baptized into Christ,
43:54
right, that we then baptize them.
43:56
Like in other words, we should be showing them to me.
43:59
I don't think we should necessarily be teaching it all
44:03
the time. We should be talking and
44:04
teaching about Christ and them and people are getting saved.
44:08
We should be baptizing them and it's like we're showing them.
44:12
Yeah, that's good. That's a good point.
44:14
And to be sure that we actually tell them what we are
44:18
representing by this baptism. Like, what are we hoping to
44:21
accomplish by baptized, by by baptizing you, are we hoping to
44:24
convert you? No.
44:26
Are we hoping to make you live a better life?
44:27
No. We are simply showing what
44:30
happened to to you in a very literal, physical form here.
44:34
Yeah, I appreciate that. That's good, Aaron.
44:38
Yeah, I guess I would. I would say that it is, I don't
44:43
know if I said this on here, but I know I've said this to some of
44:46
you all that I don't I actually, because I do preach, I do
44:52
struggle with this. And because of my background,
44:54
because of the people putting their trust in the baptism, I do
44:58
struggle with this. I feel like I have went long
45:01
streets in which I didn't even mention water baptism like at
45:06
all, like just didn't mention it.
45:07
And and I feel like that's not exactly right either.
45:11
We just talked about the relevance of it and how, you
45:13
know, like all the examples of it.
45:16
So I know it's I know it should be talked about it.
45:19
I mean, I know it that, you know, if you look at all these
45:21
people that you know, if you look at the jailer, there's not
45:25
necessarily any indication he has some prior understanding and
45:29
he baptized that night. You look at the eunuch, he's
45:31
riding a long reason Isaiah that says nothing about water and he
45:35
wants to be baptized. So it was mingled in there.
45:39
I gave this stat there last week, maybe I don't even know if
45:42
it doesn't on there. But if you look in the book of
45:44
Acts, there was notable circumstances where people was
45:51
baptized. There was four times that the
45:54
that either the apostles or Philip or Peter baptize
45:58
somebody. Then it was Paul being baptized
46:00
by Ananias. And then there's 4 examples of
46:04
Paul baptizing people. So it was obviously talked
46:10
about, right? It was taught on.
46:12
They did mention it. So I don't know.
46:15
I still struggle with how to balance that out because you
46:18
have you can't. I don't think the answer is to
46:20
just pretend it's not a thing or to ignore it.
46:23
Like I don't think that's the right answer.
46:25
But I do agree with what you all were saying.
46:29
You, you cannot teach it in a way in which you indicate to the
46:33
people that they should trust in it or that they should think
46:36
that's the moment that something happened or whatever.
46:39
Like you can't do that. But I also don't think we can go
46:41
without, you know, like just act like it's not a thing, Act like
46:45
it's not in the Bible. So I don't, I'm not saying I
46:48
have the great answer for that. I'm just saying I do think, I do
46:52
think we, we should, you know, personally, every one of us in
46:58
our own situations think about it and consider how, how can we
47:03
teach on it correctly and yet not avoid it and act like it's,
47:09
you know, you know, not worth mentioning.
47:14
I I think my own experience regarding that is that the, the
47:19
Church actually takes almost too much responsibility.
47:22
And they promised things like I was, I was deeply disappointed
47:26
when I woke up on Monday morning and I felt just like I did the
47:29
day before I got baptized because I was well, if if not
47:34
actually told I was surely expecting things from this
47:38
baptism that the Bible doesn't teach and that I didn't
47:40
experience as well, you know, So in, in my own mind, you know,
47:45
regarding the question about how should the church approach the
47:47
baptism, please approach, approach it truthfully, like say
47:52
it what it is and then stop there.
47:54
We don't need to be adding to to that.
47:56
Like, you know, church membership is one thing, but I
47:58
mean, it could be small things like, well, you know, if you'd
48:02
show obedience, then, then you just have much better power over
48:05
sin or something like that, you know, that's been pushed out
48:08
there and stuff. And.
48:10
Yeah, that's no, I agree. Yeah, don't tie something to it
48:13
other than it's a thing. Let's let it stand for what it
48:16
actually is in the Bible. That's the biggest favor we can
48:20
do any unbeliever or believer is to teach them the truth and stop
48:24
with the truth, because adding is much just as much of A sin as
48:27
not saying the whole truth, you know?
48:28
Yeah. Probably the biggest, probably
48:31
the biggest problem is that the churches do is they don't.
48:36
They're not like you were saying.
48:37
They're not honest about the distinction between water
48:41
baptism and being baptized into Christ.
48:45
They try to make a connection with water in every instance of
48:49
baptism. Can you imagine reading Romans 6
48:54
and thinking water? I mean, Yikes.
48:57
That's where there's a lot of false doctrines come from.
49:01
Yeah, but I just thought, well, you're talking another perfect
49:04
example of what I what we're all talking about is if you put an
49:07
age limit on it or a a certain age where you get baptized, that
49:12
is when it becomes no longer pure.
49:16
The person that is at a certain age now the whole church is
49:19
expecting, hey, what's going on with him?
49:21
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
49:22
Like why is he not getting baptized?
49:25
Or is there something wrong? You know, all of a sudden
49:27
there's that whole thing that's just something that should be
49:29
there. Well.
49:33
Like in my experience, and that's why I said what I said,
49:35
we, we were taught or went through lessons about baptism
49:40
for three months before we got baptized.
49:42
Like that's all we talked about. And to me it's like, you know,
49:45
why are, why are you talking about it?
49:47
If I would have been able to actually see someone that got
49:51
saved and actually get baptized the way we do now, I would have
49:56
made would have made me think differently about baptism for
49:59
sure. Yeah, that's good.
50:03
Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to dive into this last question.
50:06
We might have to go a little bit longer to kind of wrap it up
50:08
here, but this is the last question that I really have.
50:11
I know there's probably a lot of other ways we could go out on
50:13
this yet, but so Melvin, I guess I'll direct this to you to start
50:18
off with. But So what would you say to
50:20
someone that is obviously a believer but hasn't been
50:24
baptized yet? And when I asked that question,
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I'm thinking about like, how could you encourage obedience
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without pressuring? You know, we kind of we kind of
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talked about that a little bit. I think they already touched on
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that. So, So what would you say?
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What would, what would you counsel somebody that's for
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whatever reason been reluctant about it?
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What can we say to that guy? Well, I would first of all ask
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him some questions, right? I mean like you know what what
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is your meant or your block with getting baptized.
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You know, it could be many things.
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Some people, you know, like you said earlier, it could be that
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maybe you were taught that you need to see fruit or you need
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some sort of evidence that you're saved for sure before you
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got baptized or, or what is it that is holding you back?
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And we talked earlier about desire.
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I mean, why, you know, why you're not desiring to be
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baptized? I guess that'd be the biggest
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thing in my mind would be asking questions and then, you know,
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just showing the Scriptures. I guess for myself, I have seen
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some people that have went long, like years probably that did not
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get baptized and, and it, it was kind of a question in my mind.
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Why would you not? But because of Scripture is
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pretty clear. I mean, I guess I would take him
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to Scripture as well and show him that, you know, that this is
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what the Bible says that you get baptized immediately or or very
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soon after. It doesn't have to be like the
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day of in my mind necessarily. Like it's not a sin if you
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don't, you know, you don't read anywhere in the Bible that it's
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not a sin necessarily of not getting baptized.
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But it is a but yeah to to it would just matter be scripture
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in my mind would be the biggest thing in asking questions.
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Yeah, I, you know, you're, you're doing your, your fellow
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believers a disservice by by during that part for for sure.
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Here now I agree with Melvin I think some questions would have
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to be asked, but I do think it would be a perfect opportunity
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as we we touched on this earlier, but I think it'd be a
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perfect opportunity to say this is not you know it's it's not
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like God is withholding salvation for to you go through
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the class till you bear enough fruit till you read your Bible
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enough all these things. I think it'd be a perfect segue
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to say what you know, like what, what are you waiting on?
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You know why Terry, is that what what what are you waiting on?
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Because if you truly believe this gospel, there's nothing to
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wait on. You know what I mean?
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Like that would be my approach is what And I guess ask it in a
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question. What are you waiting on?
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Because there is nothing. It's it's not like God put some
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kind of he that believeth and is a Christian for six months and
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has done this thing. You know, he just said he that
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believes and is and is baptized, you know, like it's just
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something that follows it. Like Melvin said there, if you
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want to look at the example, there's never a delay.
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As far as example goes, there's never a delay.
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It's not like they had to come to a better understanding.
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If they simply believe that Jesus was the Christ, then it
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was good enough. And that's that's kind of the
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way I would approach what are you waiting on?
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Like don't doubt that there's something you got to prove or
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got to do or got to learn. Just if you believe it, what are
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you waiting on? Leave and receive right?
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He's me. You're still beuted.
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It comes back to the eunuch in my mind, when he was reading
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Isaiah and understood it, not even reading Paul.
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He wasn't reading Romans, that's right.
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And he understood it. He asked Philip what hindereth
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me to be baptized. And Philip, Philip couldn't
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think of anything, right? You know, I guess nothing, you
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know, So when something is hindering you, then you need I
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would have questions of what your definition of the gospel is
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that I'd also have questions like it.
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And I think most thing most thing that is hindering people
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again is that they're looking at themselves to see if they're
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ready to be baptized. That's true.
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They don't understand that Jesus Christ was ready to baptize you
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and him while you were yet sinners.
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So that's about all I have is just, yeah, I don't know what
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hindered you. Like, you know, like what?
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Like, according to the Bible, there's nothing that should
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hinder us from doing that. And if something is hindering
55:42
you, then you're not understanding the gospel
55:44
clearly. I did have an additional thought
55:47
that when you were talking to Andrew there, that it would be
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probably a good idea to ask that person if they understand the
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difference between water baptism and being baptized into Christ,
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right? There you go.
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I think that's a confusing thing to a lot of people, right?
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The difference? Between those two.
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Yeah. Speaking of fully immersion, I
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was also thinking about in Romans or a little bit further
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from where Anne was reading it talks about how that our Mensch
56:21
members are now instruments of righteousness who were sown in
56:25
corruption were raised in glory. So even our hands, our fingers,
56:29
our our whole body was to glorify like, you know, it was
56:34
all changed. He said now our members should
56:35
operate differently. Those members that you used to
56:38
sin with now you used to do good things like, so that was not
56:42
just you didn't just glorify a couple hair on top and this part
56:48
of the scalp. He glorify like he swallows up,
56:51
man. You know, all of our members are
56:53
now affected by that Batman. Sure, so get your wrist under
56:58
that water. So I.
57:04
Never got anything partially. Oh, that's good.
57:09
So one of my follow up questions regarding this, you know, how
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to, you know, one of them was, you know, how to encourage
57:17
obedience without like pressuring or making somebody in
57:20
there, which you guys answered that really good.
57:22
You know, basically tell them the truth about what happened
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and what this baptism represents or whatever.
57:28
And which is the second thing that I was thinking about
57:31
asking, which again, you kind of covered, but why does baptism
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still matter? Like what is it?
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Why is that important that we do?
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But again, it's it's just to remind us, remind us bring back
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to memory what actually happened in the physical right.
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I mean, we could read that and know that.
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But to see something in action, like that's why a lot of
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children pastors or you know, or or even other teachers, they use
57:57
some kind of an object lesson. Just it sticks in your mind
58:00
better when you see something brought out there in a in a
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good, I remember really good long time.
58:05
It was Melvin. You might remember this.
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You know, someone talked about had a kids lesson on He had a
58:11
stick cut out of the woods that had a vine wrapped around and
58:15
the stick was all bent and curled up.
58:16
And he made a big old story about I don't even remember
58:18
exactly what he was trying to prove by it, but I do remember
58:20
the stick of the and the thing and it just it's something I
58:23
don't remember. What if he would have just said
58:25
that exact same thing without that visual representation of
58:29
what Sid he was talking about? What Sid does to your life, like
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it wraps you up or it causes you to be distorted and stuff, which
58:35
is true, but I would not remember that hadn't it not been
58:38
for that. So, you know, in that way,
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that's one of the reasons that baptism is, I think, very
58:43
important to them. I got another thing that I think
58:46
is important is because what we've also touched for in the
58:49
past episodes was it sends a message to the people that don't
58:56
believe or it sends a message to the persecutors.
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Like if you're not willing to be baptized, then somebody could
59:05
make the argument that you're afraid of the persecution or
59:07
you're afraid of what comes with it.
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And I know that's a real thing. I know there are people that
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don't get baptized. They don't want to get the
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Flack. They still want to be able to go
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visit their parents or they still want to go be able to
59:17
visit their friends or they don't want to be chased down.
59:21
And for someone in in Iraq and Iran and Africa to get baptized
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is a pretty big deal to me that that is very significant.
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And most of the time I, I would encourage someone like that is
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you're asking about would you confront someone that is not
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getting baptized? And I would say there's some
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spiritual significance to it. And I think for you, not getting
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baptized is a little bit of a coward.
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Show me by your works that you're putting your faith in
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people's Christ. I don't know I will well, and I
1:00:01
would say this too. It's like I know he doesn't say
1:00:03
the exact same thing and I'm not trying to put him in the same
1:00:06
exact boat, but when it talks about communion says Jesus says
1:00:11
as OFT as you do this, do it in remembrance me like.
1:00:14
You're you're. Seeing something that would
1:00:17
resemble blood, you're seeing, you know, a loaf that resembles
1:00:23
a body or flesh. So you are being put in mind of
1:00:27
that. And I think that that's to me,
1:00:29
that's why I, that's why I would, I would connect Romans 6
1:00:34
with in the only in the sense that you're seeing a death,
1:00:38
burial, resurrection, right? I mean you are seeing that in
1:00:42
other. Words.
1:00:44
I'm not saying I'm not trying to prove that Romans six is talking
1:00:47
about water. I'm just saying if you watch a
1:00:49
water baptism, I think about Romans 6.
1:00:52
I mean like I think about what he's.
1:00:54
So I'm saying it is a it is something that shows or reminds
1:01:00
you of a reality that's already happened.
1:01:04
And that is so powerful. I love watching baptisms.
1:01:08
I I love it. I just did always invigorating
1:01:11
and and brings a tear to my eye because of seeing that actual
1:01:16
representation of what happened in the spirit when you believed
1:01:20
on God. I mean, that is the sweetest
1:01:22
story ever read ever will be read.
1:01:25
It's just the sweetest thing in the world to see and especially
1:01:28
to see a new believer step into that with enthusiasm and, and
1:01:32
just, oh man, that's good. Briggs shows up with that list
1:01:35
by just thinking about it. And one of good baptism around
1:01:37
here again. One of our camps, we had one
1:01:40
that did grew up in a, in a, in that culture we've mentioned
1:01:44
before where they don't believe water baptism is a thing
1:01:47
anymore. And man, he got baptized with
1:01:49
everybody crying, I think. I mean, he, he was it, it was
1:01:54
powerful. He was like, I am out here and I
1:01:57
am going to I'm going to go down with Jesus in in the water and
1:02:04
I'm going to rise again. And in that he understood the
1:02:08
gospel and he was doing it in that, in that light.
1:02:13
And it was an emotional time. I mean, it was powerful.
1:02:17
Yeah. Well, I was trying to decide
1:02:19
when we were getting ready to go on here tonight.
1:02:21
What is my most favorite thing, a wedding or a baptism?
1:02:24
And I'm still not sure. Which one I?
1:02:25
Like the best, but. They're both.
1:02:27
In a pretty Racine category in my mind.
1:02:30
I like it both, just at separate times.
1:02:32
Yeah, Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
1:02:35
Sure. All right, I guess we'll kind of
1:02:38
quit there. We'll discuss amongst ourselves
1:02:41
sometime this week on whether you know, to continue a little
1:02:44
bit more on the the Holy Spirit side of things or Holy Ghost
1:02:47
side of things or not or, or switch topics.
1:02:50
But if you have any input on that, be feel free to reach out
1:02:53
to one of us and let your feelings be known about that or
1:02:56
thoughts. If you are personally wanting to
1:03:01
know more about the subject, you know, read, read, you know,
1:03:08
books like Romans, Romans 6, you know that that gives a really
1:03:11
good illustration there. Colossians 2, like I read
1:03:14
they're really good illustration.
1:03:15
Course, you can read Acts there, the story about the eunuch and
1:03:18
and different places like that. There's a lot quite a bit.
1:03:22
I mean, there's not a huge amount of scripture regarding
1:03:24
baptism in the Bible, but it's I think it's pretty clear we don't
1:03:27
have to guess. So anyway, this was good for me
1:03:31
for sure. And just want to thank you all
1:03:34
for hanging out with us. We'll be back next week with
1:03:37
come Wild Idea. We'll figure it out.
1:03:39
So anyway, yeah, thanks for watching guys.
1:03:41
We will be back next week. Same time, same place, different
1:03:45
subject probably or maybe some follow up stuff on this and then
1:03:48
into a next subject. So once again, God bless you
1:03:51
guys. Thanks for hanging with us.
1:03:52
We'll see you next week.