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Mystic Spiral Podcast Episode 6: Tarot and Oracle Cards! - *some adult language · Laura and Lauren Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Mystic Spiral,
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  SPEAKER_00: the podcast where earth-rooted magic,
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  SPEAKER_00: animal wisdom,
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  SPEAKER_00: and ancient enchantment twist together like a serpent and a snail in the moss.
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  SPEAKER_00: Join us as we explore the unseen, the intuitive, and the beautifully strange.
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  SPEAKER_01: Each episode invites you deeper into the spiral,
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  SPEAKER_01: into the myth, and into the wild magic that lives within and around all of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Lauren,
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  SPEAKER_00: crystal healer, earth-rooted mystic, and friend of snails and mossy feyfolk magic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Laura, animal communicator, serpent kinponowich, and solitary social practitioner.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey, mythlings!
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the Mystic Spiral.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we're mapping the card world,
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  SPEAKER_00: the three major tarot systems,
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  SPEAKER_00: Rider-Waite-Smith, Toth,
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  SPEAKER_00: and Maasai,
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  SPEAKER_00: how they differ from Oracle and the Norman decks,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we'll end with the question everyone asks us, how do I choose a deck?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because not all decks speak the same language.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some are mythic, some are literal, some are intuitive, and some are pure affirmation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Knowing the difference helps you choose the tool that actually supports your magic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And remember,
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  SPEAKER_00: if any questions should arise during this episode,
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  SPEAKER_00: send them to us at mysticspiralpodcast at gmail.com and we'll answer them in
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  SPEAKER_00: a future Q&A episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's get into the three-tarot system.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rider Waite-Smith,
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  SPEAKER_00: which I call Smith Waite because Pamela Coleman-Smith,
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  SPEAKER_00: who was the amazing artist who Edward,
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  SPEAKER_00: Arthur Edward Waite commissioned her to create these cards, um,
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  SPEAKER_00: she only got paid a flat rate and died penniless and
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  SPEAKER_00: with no recognition her name wasn't even on the original printing of the box
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  SPEAKER_00: so um it's very important that we pay homage to her and um support this creation
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  SPEAKER_00: of hers so I call it Smith Waite um but it was created in 1909
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  SPEAKER_00: by Arthur Edward Waite and illustrated by Pamela Coleman Smith um
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  SPEAKER_00: And it is the foundation of most modern tarot decks.
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  SPEAKER_00: So who the fuck is Ryder?
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  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so Ryder is the frickin' publisher.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the publisher of this deck got most of the credit back in the day.
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  SPEAKER_00: And is still getting credit today.
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  SPEAKER_00: And didn't even do very much compared to Pamela did most of the work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's be real, he didn't really do shit except print it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, that's our rant.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's get back to the story for ya.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the Smith-Weights defining feature is Fully Illustrated Minor Arcana.
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  SPEAKER_01: Scenes with people, landscape, and symbolism.
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  SPEAKER_01: This makes intuitive reading accessible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Pamela.
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  SPEAKER_00: Seriously, thanks, girl.
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  SPEAKER_00: Symbolically,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Smith Waite blends Golden Dawn occultism,
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  SPEAKER_00: astrology, numerology, and archetypal storytelling.
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  SPEAKER_00: Best for beginners,
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  SPEAKER_00: intuitive readers, narrative spreads, and psychological or spiritual readings.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the Toth Tarot was created by Alistair Crowley and painted by Lady Freda Harris.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Toth deck is dense, esoteric, and alchemical.
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  SPEAKER_00: The imagery of the Toth is abstract and energetic rather than narrative.
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  SPEAKER_00: It incorporates Hermetic Kabbalah,
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  SPEAKER_00: astrology, Egyptian symbolism, and Crowley's Thelmic philosophy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Several cards are renamed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Strength becomes Lust, Judgment becomes Eon, reflecting Crowley's cosmology.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's best for deep esoteric study,
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  SPEAKER_01: energy work, shadow transformation, and readers who like symbolic density.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fun fact, Crowley never saw his own deck published.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even though Lady Frida created it with his guidance,
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  SPEAKER_01: it wasn't commercially published until 1969, 22 years after his death.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's actually so many fun facts about this man that we may actually need
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  SPEAKER_01: to give him his own episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know he chose 1969 on purpose even though he wasn't alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: He did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's move along to the Marseille Tarot.
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  SPEAKER_00: The oldest of the three dating back to the 1600s,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Marseille predates modern or cult overlays.
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  SPEAKER_01: The majors are iconic woodcut style images.
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  SPEAKER_01: The minors are pip cards, simple arrangements of suit symbols without seams.
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  SPEAKER_00: Reading the Marseille relies on numerology, elemental theory,
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  SPEAKER_00: directionality and pattern recognition.
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  SPEAKER_00: Best for traditionalists,
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  SPEAKER_00: readers who prefer minimalism,
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  SPEAKER_00: numerology-based readings, understaring tarot's historical roots.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even though the Marseille is one of the oldest well-known decks,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Solobusca tarot is a monumental artifact in esoteric history,
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  SPEAKER_00: recognized as the oldest complete 78-card tarot deck in existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was engraved on copper plates around 1491 in Northern Italy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine hand engraving that many copper plates.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is very true, but it was 1491.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what else they got going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: True.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about how tarot, oracle, and Lenormand decks differ.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tarot is a structured system, always 78 cards, always the same architecture.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's archetypal, symbolic, and layered.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's used for deep exploration, storytelling, shadow work, and complex spreads.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oracle decks are freeform.
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  SPEAKER_00: The creator chooses the number of cards, the theme, the cosmology, no fixed structure.
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  SPEAKER_01: They speak in broad energetic messages rather than archetypal cycles.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're used for daily pulls,
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  SPEAKER_01: emotional check-ins,
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  SPEAKER_01: clarifying tarot,
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  SPEAKER_01: and working with specific themes like animals, ancestors, and moon cycles.
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  SPEAKER_00: And finally, we arrive at the Lenormand.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lenormand is a 36-card system with fixed symbols, ship, ring, fox, coffin.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's literal, practical, and read in combinations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where tarot is mythic, Lenormand is predictive.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ship plus letter equals news from far away.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ring plus heart equals romantic commitment.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's used for timing, real-world questions, yes and no clarity, and predictive readings.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's get into how to choose a deck.
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  SPEAKER_00: Choosing a deck is part intuition, part aesthetics, part lineage.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's how to approach it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Start with the system you want to learn.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you want structure and intuitive imagery, Smithweight is your deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you want esoteric depth, go with Toth.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you want historical roots, the Marseille is probably your deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you want emotional guidance, I would go with Orkholz.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you want practical answers, Lenormand.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you want support, not necessarily divination, affirmation decks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do enjoy using an affirmation deck at the end of a reading if more clarity is needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take a look at the artwork.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does it speak your language?
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  SPEAKER_00: You're going to spend a lot of time with these images.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do they feel alive?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do they invite you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do they make you feel curious?
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  SPEAKER_00: If the art doesn't move you, the deck won't either.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some decks have rich, thoughtful guidebooks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some are sparse, some are poetic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some are instructional.
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  SPEAKER_01: If having a detailed guidebook is important to you,
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  SPEAKER_01: then make sure you research the author or artisan's writing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Choose the voice that supports your learning style.
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  SPEAKER_00: Consider your purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who are you reading for?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or what are you reading for?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it self-reflection?
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  SPEAKER_00: Then I would go Tarot Oracle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Prediction?
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  SPEAKER_00: Lenormand.
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  SPEAKER_00: Emotional support?
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  SPEAKER_00: Probably an affirmation deck.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it a deeper study?
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  SPEAKER_00: I would do Toth or Maasai.
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  SPEAKER_00: Clients, Smith, Wade, or Lenormand.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pick up the deck if you can and let your body respond.
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  SPEAKER_01: Notice the sensation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Warmth, curiosity, resistance.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your nervous system knows before your mind does.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tarot is a relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: You grow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember, your first deck doesn't have to be a forever deck.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have plenty of decks, and I love them all.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have so many decks.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's all good.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can just collect them.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also, if you have a deck that no longer serves you at Groundings,
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  SPEAKER_00: I do a tarot swap periodically.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually every few months we do the swap.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can bring in any used deck, Oracle, Tarot,
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  SPEAKER_00: Lenormand,
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  SPEAKER_00: anyone that doesn't call to you and swap it out for something that does call to you
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  SPEAKER_00: on our table.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've gotten some really cool decks that way actually It's so much fun and
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  SPEAKER_00: then you can really kind
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  SPEAKER_00: of like put yourself out there see what you wouldn't normally be gravitated towards
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  SPEAKER_01: so yeah come check it out if you can It's a fun time I want to bring up
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  SPEAKER_00: a very important subject in the world of tarot there's a shadow that slips through
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  SPEAKER_00: the marketplace pirated decks they look almost right at first glance but like
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  SPEAKER_00: a glamour cast over a hollow thing
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  SPEAKER_01: A tarot deck isn't just cardstock and ink.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a collaboration between the artist,
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  SPEAKER_01: the writer, the printer, the ancestors of the tradition, and you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a living bridge.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when a deck is pirated, that bridge is broken.
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  SPEAKER_01: The artist,
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  SPEAKER_01: the one who dreamed the images,
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  SPEAKER_01: poured their heart and myth and labor into the work, receives nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their magic is taken without consent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And consent is sacred in all forms of magic.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we use a pirated deck,
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not just saving a few dollars.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're participating in a spell of extraction,
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  SPEAKER_00: a spell that says your art does not matter,
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  SPEAKER_00: your labor does not matter, your magic does not matter.
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  SPEAKER_01: A legitimate debt carries the artist's blessing, the energy of ethical exchange.
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  SPEAKER_01: It feels differently in the hands, warmer, clearer, more rooted.
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  SPEAKER_01: It reads differently too,
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  SPEAKER_01: because magic flows best through what is freely given, not what is stolen.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you're called to a deck, let yourself be called to the real thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Support the creators.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those visions light your path.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let your tools be clean, consensual, and aligned with the world you want to weave.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because every time you choose an authentic deck, you're casting a spell of reciprocity.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're saying, I see you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I value you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I honor the magic you've brought into the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that, my friends, is the kind of spell that always comes back blessed.
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  SPEAKER_01: So how do you spot these pirated decks?
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  SPEAKER_01: You look for poor quality printing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Blurry images, off-center, cut cards.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also, if there isn't a book that comes with it, just a little code to scan on the back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nine out of ten times, it's a pirated deck.
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  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes there's not even anything to scan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Please, do not purchase decks off a Teemu.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are all stolen, period.
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  SPEAKER_00: There even have been instances where I've reported stolen decks on big online stores
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  SPEAKER_00: that sound like Schlamazon.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you remember, Lauren,
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  SPEAKER_01: there was that time that I got a deck off of Etsy and I brought it to you
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  SPEAKER_01: and you realized that it was stolen.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's kind of icky people everywhere, I guess, unfortunately.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just have to be mindful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do your best.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do your due diligence.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's also another reason to support local businesses.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can put your hands on them and actually see what you're getting.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're unsure, you can even ask a real person questions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether you choose the structured myth of Tarot,
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  SPEAKER_01: the intuitive flow of Oracle,
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  SPEAKER_01: or the sharp clarity of Lenormand, you're choosing a language for your intuition.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the right deck is the one that helps you hear yourself more clearly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before we leave today, we're going to pull a card.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today we were called to use the Solitary Witch Oracle by Lucy Cavendish and Lady Victoria.
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  SPEAKER_01: As a friendly reminder, please take what resonates with you and simply leave the rest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alright, let's get this party started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gonna do a little shuffing.
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  SPEAKER_00: we got the maiden the mother and the crone it's
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  SPEAKER_00: a really beautiful card it has some shrubbery and a little water pool
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  SPEAKER_00: and really pretty flowery trees some trees a little tiny deer friend
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  SPEAKER_01: a little bird too yeah and a little tiny bird on
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  SPEAKER_00: the corner obviously we'll post this for you to see
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  SPEAKER_00: And the message from this card is Maiden Mother Crone Three Ages
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  SPEAKER_00: of Humanity Youthful Energy Creative Life Force
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  SPEAKER_00: The Old Wise Ones Welcomed Acknowledging and seen A healing for the land Animals
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  SPEAKER_00: and people through respect of all ages of humanity There shall come
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  SPEAKER_00: a flowing recovery for all who have suffered
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  SPEAKER_00: all who have been silenced knowing those of many ages what once was hidden now comes
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  SPEAKER_00: into view and is shared with respect it's pretty deep
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  SPEAKER_00: for today oh I just noticed too there's a little castle on the hill with like
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  SPEAKER_01: a little crescent moon it's kind of cute these cards are very moony and I also like
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  SPEAKER_00: the simplicity of the back of them I do too I and I like the texture of the card I'm
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  SPEAKER_00: a big uh
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they feel great in your hands.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tactile, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wish they were just a little smaller,
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  SPEAKER_00: easier to shuffle, but other than that, I'm okay with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're very matte, except for the shiny pentacle in the back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And next time on the Mystic Spiral,
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  SPEAKER_01: since we've been chatting about him,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it would be fitting to tell you about Aleister Crowley
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  SPEAKER_01: and his very intriguing life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
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  SPEAKER_00: Until then, mythlings, keep listening and keep your magic soft and steady.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now!