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Who mentioned windows? feat. ⁨@SilentRcher⁩ · Open Comms Radio | A Star Citizen call-in show

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  I still want to say something to CIG though, which is, I want,
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  you know, base building, base building soon, right?
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  And when we get those, those halves, they better have
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  windows. There better be lots of windows.
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  I don't, I don't want to be plopping down basically storage
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  boxes with a door on them. I want Windows.
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  Second bat. Second bat.
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  All right, let's not threaten CIG though.
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  You. Better than you know. thing
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  isn't though, now that you say that I can't see it.
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  You're absolutely right. After we're trying to let's
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  let's talk about that first because I was going to go in a
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  totally different direction. You can make as much money as
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  you need and work your way towards any ship in the game.
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  They they were trying to cash in off of that nostalgia and that
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  height. Opencoms Radio, a very, very
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  special episode today. Thank you for joining me.
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  I'm Jar Jar Jabroni, your weekly host on this Star Citizen call
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  in show. You can call in every week.
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  Eastern Time, 9:00 PM. What time do we do it?
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  Pacific Time, 6:00 PM. If you're in another part of the
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  world, you got to figure out that yourself because I, I don't
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  know, I'm not a time wizard, as I as I usually say, but I do
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  have some Wizards with me today. Today's show is all about
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  windows. Windows, Windows.
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  Windows. Who's talking about windows?
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  What's the big deal with Windows?
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  I want to be honest with you all.
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  I'm not so sure I fully understand it, but my Co host
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  today, you know him, you love him.
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  Duke. Later the second is quite
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  enthusiastic. Duke, How you doing buddy?
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  I'm good, I'm, I'm psyched. I'm psyched to talk about
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  Windows. Yeah, I know you are.
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  You brought this topic forth many a time here on Open Comms.
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  Every chance I get basically. Every chance you get, yeah,
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  today is no different. So today is, well, in that
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  regard, it's no different. But in one way it is different.
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  We do have a very, very special guest with us today, Duke.
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  We do. I'm very excited to have this
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  guy with us on the show today. You might know him from his
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  YouTube videos, which are a mix of mainly just cinematics and
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  then somewhere where he does talk as well, but they're all
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  gorgeous to watch. He does some really beautiful
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  cinematics and recently had one about windows which which kind
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  of brought up the idea of hey, this, this poor guy should come
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  and waste some of his time with us here on open comps.
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  His name is Silent Archer on YouTube.
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  That's SILENTR, Cher. So no, no, a in the middle
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  there. Just just Silent Archer.
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  That makes him cooler. You know, he's Yeah.
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  So yeah, why don't we, why don't we bring Silent Archer up here
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  and have him say hello? Hey.
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  Nice. Thank you.
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  Welcome to Open Comms Radio. This week's question.
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  You know it, you love it. Who mentioned Windows?
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  I suppose I did, right? I mean, I've always loved
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  Windows and everyone I've always played with, I've always geeked
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  out of a windows, just like Duke here.
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  I, I, I assume, right. So I mean, it's just, you know,
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  I feel like everyone I've I love to play with love Windows.
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  And so I, I love Windows and it's just something that really
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  immerses me into the game unlike anything else.
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  So I mean, yeah, I guess that's the back story, right?
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  Like I just windows are great. And I hope we're here to talk
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  about that today, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yep, sorry, wrong show the most
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  of the wrong caller here. Let's get let's hit the other
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  eye up. What what made you what made you
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  publish that video that I talked about earlier, the Windows 1?
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  I mean, I'll be honest, my, my dad also plays a bit of Star
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  Citizen and he, you know, he's always geeked out about windows,
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  you know, just like me. And we've, you know, often
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  discussed those kind of topics, right?
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  We've discussed, you know, what, what, what makes a ship great,
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  what makes a space feel alive and kind of immersive.
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  And windows have been such a central part of that in those
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  discussions. So, you know, it felt quite
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  natural to to, you know, just I, I one that one day I just sat
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  down and wrote a bit about what I thought.
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  And suddenly I had an entire text and I was like, OK, why?
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  I might as well make a video on it, right?
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  Because I just love windows. And well, I'm happy to say that
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  other people also enjoyed it. So yeah, yeah, that's the back
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  story, right? Who knew?
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  Who knew he. Saw that?
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  He's like, you're not going to believe this.
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  There's another guy talking about Windows.
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  There's two of us now. There's two of us.
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  So if I, if I may play devil's advocate, all right, sure.
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  Against because I feel like you know I got 2 of you here let me
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  let me just say who cares you know you're in a spaceship
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  windows are a weak point why would I want these and why would
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  you know the development team why why should they invest time
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  in this I'm. Going to let Archer speak before
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  I jump on you. I mean, OK, so I guess First
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  off, like we have to be on the same ground here.
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  Like in lore, windows are strong as steel, right?
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  They're as strong as any part of the rest of the ship, right?
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  Stronger, I believe. They're stronger, even.
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  Yeah, maybe they're just super. Expensive.
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  Yeah, they're super expensive, right.
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  So I guess that's a valid point. You know that the, you know,
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  especially regarding cost, right?
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  Like why would, why would they waste their time having windows
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  in a ship when you can just have cameras or, or, you know, that's
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  what people mention at least. Like why don't ship just have
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  cameras and just have the whole, you know, enclose the entire
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  ship like in the Esperia ships, right?
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  Are the the yeah, yeah, they they have the.
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  Little you know, they're the ones with the canopies that kind
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  of have the camera things flipping.
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  Yeah, the Tavares ships exact thing.
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  Yeah, my bad. I have.
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  I have a theory about that too, but go ahead.
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  Right. Excited to hear that for sure.
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  But yeah, I think why should they invest their time?
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  I mean, I think it's just part of being, you know, human,
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  right? We don't like being submerged.
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  You know, if you take submarines, for example, right?
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  Like it's not like everybody loves being in a submarine.
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  It's very claustrophobic. It's, it's very unnatural for a
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  human to be without natural light, to not see what's
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  happening outside. And I feel like having windows
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  and ships makes that, you know, it makes it feel so much more
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  natural and so much more bearable if we're thinking, you
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  know, immersing ourselves in the Star Citizen universe, right, in
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  a way that cameras doesn't. Although I would have to think a
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  bit more about the fact, you know, why cameras aren't the
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  same thing. I guess it doesn't let people
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  look in. And there's, there's a, you
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  know, for me, there's an aspect and actually being able to look
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  into a ship as well, you know, from outside, I feel like the
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  connection, like the actual physical connection of the light
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  going through, you know, the, the hall instead of just passing
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  through sensors. It's, you know, it's, it's part
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  of the feeling, right. But I don't know if I can, you
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  know, I'd like to go deeper in that.
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  Do you have any thoughts on that, Duke or sorry Dardar?
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  You know, you talked about looking in.
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  It made me think of that scene at the beginning of Titan AE.
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  If anyone remembers that show, that movie that's main character
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  ends up stuck on the front windshields of a spaceship.
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  You know, when he looks in and sees like a beautiful girl and
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  it's like, Oh yeah, there's that whole connection, you know, like
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  he's in the outer space, but there's still that human element
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  of looking in the window. It's just like, you know, Romeo
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  and Juliet. Exactly.
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  Yeah, you can see it. But you can't get to it.
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  Yeah. Touch it, you know what I mean?
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  Yeah, right. It gives it, you know, an
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  otherworldly but but still a natural and and easily relatable
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  experience. Totally.
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  You nailed it there, I think. Whereas like the so I was saying
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  the Tavarin, right? So only the Tavarin ships are
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  the only ones we've seen that have the that video cockpit,
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  right, right. And in my mind, that was because
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  the Tavarin didn't have window technology, because the the
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  window material is pretty advanced when you think about
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  it. And.
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  Yeah, this sounds so ridiculous. But it but it makes sense in law
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  cause the Tavarin were stuck in their system.
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  They had no, they had no wormhole travel until the
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  humans. Discovered.
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  And so they had a lot of unique technologies, including the
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  shield technology which we got from them.
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  So it makes sense we had one they didn't, which was just
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  these super strong windows. Because when you think about it,
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  you know, if you have these super strong windows, you can
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  always look out. Even when your ship dies and
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  nothing's working, you can still look out the window.
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  Whereas for sure in ships when the power is out, that's it, you
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  can't see anything. Very true.
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  So there's that. There's that practical aspect as
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  well, for sure. You know not, you know, having
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  to rely on power is a big thing, right?
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  Especially in the cockpit. Especially in the cockpit.
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  You know. Especially with engineering now
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  you know, you got engineering. Really.
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  That's so true. Extra health bars and I don't
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  want a health bar for for my my camera window.
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  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, for sure.
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  Is that a? Is that a dig at Misk?
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  Oh never. I would never take a dig at
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  Misk. I love.
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  Misk. No.
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  Yeah, dude, I'd be. Because I don't know if you know
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  this Archer. Duke's a big Misk guy.
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  So I can understand that. He's worked his way up through
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  all the Misk ships. Yeah.
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  Interesting. Yeah.
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  And the Starliner makes me furious because it needs so many
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  more windows. I understand.
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  Damn, yeah I guess I was just grateful to get any windows on
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  it. Any windows?
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  Any windows are good. I mean, I'm just so starved of
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  it of of windows that just any like I was surprised that he
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  even got 2, you know, and to discover it had those in the
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  roof as well. I guess you've seen those maybe
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  in the habitat habitation area. But yeah, I mean truly.
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  You've got these long corridors and there's just no window.
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  And I'm like, why? I I could be anywhere I could
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  be. Underground.
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  Are you thinking about the the habitation area like where you
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  walk, like, Oh yeah, that's central.
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  That's true. Actually, that's true.
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  I wonder how they. Yeah.
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  And it makes me think actually your other video, another one I
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  watched recently, was the Is Levski the next port Alasar?
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  Right. Yeah.
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  And you did kind of a good, you know, a good dive into what
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  makes Levski a good point of interest and and why some of the
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  other space stations don't work. And I think it all goes back to
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  this, this disconnect right in Levski, like you can lookout
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  windows, you can see places, you can go to those places and in
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  from the outside, you can also look in like, like the, the
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  scope of it all works. It feels natural.
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  Whereas the space stations, because it's a mix of these
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  beautiful stations and the old, what did they call that where
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  they were going to like randomize the inside of the
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  stations and. Procter and procedural
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  generation. Yeah, they were, you know, it
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  was all going to be that. So now we've got these
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  procedural generated internals. Yeah.
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  And other than one window, it's like, I don't see how this fits
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  in this big beautiful station. Yeah, How is there one window?
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  Like literally one window. It's crazy.
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  I mean, Pyro does a better job at this as well.
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  I think those stations have quite a lot of windows.
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  Maybe that's just because they're broken, like, you know,
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  indoor. But the windows are the only
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  parts that aren't broken. Oh, you're.
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  Right, because because they're strong.
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  The rest is. Just windows floating in there.
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  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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  No, but I love that as well. It's that disconnect for sure.
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  And I I'm surprised, you know, it feels, it's such a shame that
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  all the stations are so procedurally generated.
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  I mean, it's it's a big part of them feeling so dead and
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  uninteresting. Yeah, for sure.
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  But I think right now are are they're not proc Gen. so much
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  now they're they're just using the same assets and they just
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  have limited assets. I think the Cutter and stuff
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  maybe I don't know what they're like development process is with
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  that. But I did notice like in the
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  past, a lot more ships had windows, especially a lot of the
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  origin ships. I feel you have the 300 series
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  is like the whole top of it is like a big sunroof, I guess star
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  roof you could call it. And that was one of the first
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  ships that like I upgraded to. And when I got in there, I was
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  like, oh, this is so cool, 'cause I can just like float
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  out, sit here, you know, engage in whatever activities I want to
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  engage in and just sit and look at the, the view, the beautiful
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  view of all these beautiful planets that they're developing.
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  And it's a shame that I think you, you spend, if you're a
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  crewmate of someone else that you're spending so much time in
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  these people's ships, but like you're jumping and you're flying
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  and in many of these ships. You can't.
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  Engage with that, Yeah. And it's like, well, why are you
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  making all this beautiful world if half the time players aren't
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  going to be able to look at it? Absolutely.
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  Truly, I mean, it's, it's, it's a shame, you know, and you know,
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  some manufacturers just never have received a single window.
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  For instance, like Crusader, none of their ships have
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  windows. Literally not a single ship has
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  a window, really. And it's such a shame.
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  Like the MSR for instance, really could use a window.
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  Like why doesn't the MSR have a window?
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  It feels like it feels so claustrophobic.
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  So it's like you have to get through like 10 doors to get to
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  the cockpit, which is the only place where you can look out of
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  the ship. You know, I might.
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  Find that. Extremely weird.
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  And you're right now, yeah, nothing.
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  Now you can leave the doors open at least.
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  OK, that's. Makeshift window.
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  Makeshift window exactly just like.
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  So we we do have a quick question in the chat from Raven
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  442 Raven four, and this is maybe for for you silent.
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  Do you think the 600I rework will get more windows?
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  So the 600I has that big window in the back and then kind of the
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  front cockpit window that that's, that makes 2 windows,
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  right? There's not more that I can
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  think of, at least I, I guess in the touring version.
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  In the touring version, it also has that ground window in the
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  floor. Which makes it in like the top
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  10% of ships and Star Citizen with windows.
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  Right. That's so cool, right?
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  Yeah, it's. Yeah, right.
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  That also. Yeah, super.
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  I mean, it has a lot of window area, right?
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  It has very big windows, but not a lot of them, I suppose.
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  Like there's 34 main windows, but then there's just kind of
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  numb throughout the rest of the ship, right?
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  I wonder. Yeah, it feels like it could be
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  possible that it got more windows.
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  I just don't see how that would work with a silhouette of the
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  ship because I feel like they're going to maintain like the glass
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  parts of the ship are very iconic and I find I'm trying
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  finding it hard to imagine if it would receive more windows, like
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  on the sides or anything. I don't know what you guys
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  think, but I feel like that would be unlikely.
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  Maybe a bit more window area, but not more windows per SE.
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  Well I think if they did do the windows they would have to
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  address the exterior of the ship.
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  Yeah, exactly. A feeling like they're not going
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  to do that. That's what, yeah, they're just
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  going to. Interior rework because that
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  would basically be like making a new ship or an hour at least
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  making. It would be, I mean, yeah,
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  because I mean, it would be a lot of work.
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  Like the as I said, the the the window parts of the exterior are
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  very iconic, right? Well, I think.
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  There, you know, there's a, there's a middle ground here as
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  well. Like when you think of the, the
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  closest things we have to spaceships, obviously, you know,
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  boats or, or airplanes. The the window doesn't have to
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  be something like huge, you know, spanning the whole side of
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  the room. There's, you know, there's
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  portholes, which I think would be sort of an interesting
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  concept with the 600I or the 890 because they have something a
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  lot of other ships don't, which is a a crew that's supposed to
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  be mostly invisible. Right.
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  Fair enough. Yeah, service crew on these
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  luxury ships and it's like, you know, give them, give them a
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  little, give them a little porthole or something, just a
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  little window so they can sit there and contemplate, give.
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  Give the peasants a porthole. Yeah, give the peasants A
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  porthole. Exactly.
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  I feel like origin, I feel like origin aren't like that, though,
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  like they wouldn't just if we take the 400 I for instance,
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  like they're first of all, I feel like they have the in like
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  the attitude, like just fuck the peasants.
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  You know, we care about the people who are staying in the
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  ship, not the people are working there.
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  Like a bit imperial in that sense, But but if you.
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  If you take the. 400 I the 400I has these kind of portal like
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  windows in the sleeping quarters and so on.
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  You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's small, but.
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  They're. Yeah, just something in between.
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  They're quite small for being origin, right?
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  But they're kind of connected to this larger window silhouettes,
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  right? Like outside, exterior wise.
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  Right. And I feel like Origin wouldn't
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  plop in some small portals just randomly sitting throughout the
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  ship. Like they would have to be part
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  of something like a bigger window exterior looking thing
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  right? It's what I would think at
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  least. I feel like it's hard to imagine
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  Origin ships with just a small like tiny portal because it
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  doesn't feel so luxurious maybe. Yes, yeah.
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  It's the order, the design of the ship, I think.
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  No, I'm saying Origin is overcompensating.
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  Yeah, that's what. It is a little bit.
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  Look at the yeah, look at that thing.
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  Look at the nose on that. They're compensating.
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  They're compensating. So I think other than the
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  aesthetic nature of windows and, and, and how they make us feel
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  and, and to look at the scenery of the game, is there any other
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  purpose that these are possibly serving for us?
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  Is there any maybe game purposes that you can consider?
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  That's why CAG would want to put Windows and chips.
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  I mean, for Origin and many other touring ships, right, Like
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  the purpose is obviously for the passengers sakes.
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  So I guess that's in one way kind of like a like a gameplay
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  feature, you know, in, in terms of the passengers comfort,
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  right. If, if we get, if we ever get,
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  you know, passenger missions, which I hope, which I hope we
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  get pretty soon. Yeah, hold your breath.
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  Hold. Right.
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  Don't hold your breath. I.
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  Guess don't hold your. Breath.
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  Don't. Yeah, I'm going to die soon.
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  Yeah, in that case. But otherwise, I mean, sometimes
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  definitely. For instance, in the Star
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  Lancer, we have those like kind of portals in the cockpit, you
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  know, for the two people sitting along the wall there.
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  I couldn't figure it. Out they get their own oh
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  really? They're they're closed, they
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  come close normally or. Like they were closed in the
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  Star Lancer Max. OK.
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  Yeah, there's some button there on the figure.
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  Out, yeah, I was looking at the consoles like right in front of
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  me and I'm like that's just want to open that.
• 19:46
  That's just me though. That must be a bug.
• 19:48
  Yeah, yeah. But I guess those are windows in
• 19:50
  one sense, right? Like and you know, they're,
• 19:53
  they're kind of like cockpit holes as well for the, you know,
• 19:57
  So that's a functional site aspect as well.
• 19:59
  Like the people that are sitting the cockpit should all be able
• 20:01
  to look out, right? Well, because you mentioned in
• 20:05
  your video you land somewhere. Yeah, before you exit your ship,
• 20:10
  you want to like look out and see, you know, what's going on.
• 20:14
  For sure. I mean, both the Star Lancer and
• 20:16
  the Qatar has this. You know, they have windows by
• 20:20
  their landing. You know they're like ramp,
• 20:23
  right? By the door, yeah.
• 20:24
  So, so that's definitely one of the most at least that I could
• 20:29
  come up with, you know, one of the most important like
• 20:32
  functions that are that are not just aesthetic for the ship, you
• 20:35
  know, but I don't know if you guys can think of something
• 20:37
  else. Well, I was just thinking when
• 20:39
  we were doing the Worm mission, Duke, we had those PV, those
• 20:43
  players there and they're always responding and stuff.
• 20:46
  We'd be in one of those smaller like medical spaces and I saw
• 20:52
  them run running outside through the window and they're like,
• 20:56
  that's an actual game thing because I can't hit them.
• 20:59
  They can't hit me, but I can I can see them and I so I know
• 21:02
  like I'm not going to like go outside right now, right.
• 21:06
  And I think there's also this thing that there is
• 21:10
  underutilized, which is what they had we're talking about
• 21:14
  earlier with the Aspera is the one way glass, right?
• 21:18
  If I'm in a ship, why don't I have tinted windows?
• 21:22
  Because maybe I don't want you looking at my ship and I don't
• 21:24
  want, you know, that I'm looking at you and, and, and this and
• 21:26
  that Very true. Would they get base building
• 21:28
  coming in? You're going to want to build
• 21:31
  windows in your base. And if you're doing it, if
• 21:34
  you're worried about people attacking you, you're going to
• 21:36
  want, you know, one way windows or one way glass.
• 21:40
  That's true. I mean, I guess I feel like no,
• 21:44
  sorry, Duke. Sorry.
• 21:45
  Go. No, no, you go ahead.
• 21:49
  I was just going to say that I think some origin ships do have
• 21:51
  tinted window. I don't.
• 21:52
  I just think it doesn't work. That's the only thing.
• 21:54
  There's nothing big. I was.
• 21:57
  Going to say I, I feel like there's definitely things like
• 22:00
  that where sometimes CIG falls flat in terms of if you were
• 22:07
  actually a company designing this vehicle to be used and you
• 22:14
  would, I mean it like the, let's say the, the Cutter, right?
• 22:18
  Like, you know what it's going to be used for, You know, it's
• 22:21
  like an all arounder, like this person's probably going to do a
• 22:23
  little box delivery. They might go to dangerous
• 22:26
  places. So yeah, we, we need to have
• 22:29
  things like the window built in so they can look out and see if
• 22:32
  it's safe first. But you'd, you'd also have
• 22:35
  things, I mean, you know, I drive around a little, a little
• 22:39
  Chevy Bolt. It's got a reverse camera, you
• 22:43
  know, like your ship should be if, if you're going to go
• 22:45
  somewhere dangerous, you should be able to look into the one of
• 22:48
  your MFDS and just like look out the back, you know, let me, let
• 22:51
  me check and see if somebody's standing there with a boom stick
• 22:55
  or something. You know, just about to end my
• 22:57
  day as soon as I lower the ramp. Little things like that
• 23:02
  sometimes where I'm like, we didn't think this through.
• 23:05
  Yeah. I feel camera and game, Duke.
• 23:09
  That's actually true. Yeah, but.
• 23:11
  But I'm saying, but I want my immersion.
• 23:13
  I don't. I don't want to just poop.
• 23:15
  I don't want to go third person and do all that.
• 23:18
  I want to be immersed. That's true.
• 23:20
  I guess it's not entirely implemented in a good way, but
• 23:25
  but yeah, it's a it's a hard balance, you know, with with
• 23:28
  when it comes to ships, you know, having them be functional
• 23:31
  but also like part of the game, right?
• 23:33
  Because it is just a game and it feels like the moment you want
• 23:37
  it to become too thought out, it becomes kind of unreasonable,
• 23:41
  right. I had some people in my in the
• 23:42
  comments saying this, you know, like, First off, having windows
• 23:45
  that are just cameras. And the second, you know, these
• 23:49
  apparently F-30, you know, the F35 jets.
• 23:54
  Yeah, apparently those helmets allow you to look through the
• 23:57
  entire like in VR, allow you to look through the body of the
• 24:01
  airplane, which is pretty cool. It's pretty sick, but I feel
• 24:07
  like I I wish we probably have that technology in this age,
• 24:10
  right in Star Citizen 2955. You know, it's likely that
• 24:14
  that's a lot more cheap to produce, right?
• 24:17
  But it would also kind of just ruin the game if you just could
• 24:20
  look through your entire ship, you know, you know, it's like
• 24:23
  there's obviously a balance, right, between having a ship
• 24:25
  that's functional, but also kind of making it reasonable.
• 24:29
  I don't know. I don't know what what do you,
• 24:30
  what do you guys think about this?
• 24:32
  But it is something I've thought about, you know, like when
• 24:35
  should we pull the line of a ship being functional and not
• 24:38
  function, you know? Yeah.
• 24:41
  Yeah. I think we're at that point,
• 24:44
  too, in terms of the development right now.
• 24:49
  We're at the point where everyone's kind of like wanting
• 24:52
  a game, right? Yeah.
• 24:54
  It's you've done everything, you've built these planets.
• 24:57
  It looks really cool, you know, keep chugging away with that.
• 24:59
  But I want a I want a game now because I'll pop in now and I
• 25:05
  was like, I don't really like him have anything to do.
• 25:08
  Yeah, right. Which is a whole other a whole
• 25:11
  other issue. But it's definitely something
• 25:12
  that I believe they they are considering, you know, they got
• 25:18
  to be. Yeah, I feel like it's a
• 25:21
  necessary part to just move it forward, you know, and in one
• 25:24
  sense, even though, you know, it has to be done with care, I
• 25:28
  think it's better not to overstep, but also just it's a
• 25:34
  matter of priorities, I guess, right.
• 25:37
  I'm excited now for engineering. I'm glad they kind of reworked
• 25:40
  that to be more playable. And I'm excited to try it out.
• 25:45
  I haven't actually got the chance to try it out yet, which
• 25:48
  is a shame, but. It's well.
• 25:50
  Supposedly that's not done till March.
• 25:53
  OK. Yeah.
• 25:55
  So what we have now is going to be iterated on through the end
• 25:59
  of March and we'll probably get in January, February, March.
• 26:01
  You know it's going to be iterated on until the end of
• 26:04
  time. Until the end of Yeah Yeah.
• 26:09
  Yeah, but it's it's. Really delivering some game.
• 26:11
  It's there. Yeah, definitely.
• 26:13
  I mean, it's, they've come so far.
• 26:14
  I mean, I now I sound pessimistic and critical, but I
• 26:17
  really love this game and I think they've taken it so far in
• 26:20
  the past couple of years. And I mean, I'm super happy with
• 26:22
  the direction they're taking actually.
• 26:24
  So yeah, I don't want to sound pessimistic.
• 26:26
  I don't know. That came out the wrong way.
• 26:28
  I think before when I criticized the OR not criticized just.
• 26:32
  Yeah, but. No, that's OK dude.
• 26:35
  You can. You can criticize all you want.
• 26:36
  They can handle. It, you know, Yeah, we, you
• 26:38
  heard it here. Salon.
• 26:39
  Salon. Archer hates Star Citizen.
• 26:41
  I hate *. Yeah, exactly.
• 26:42
  That's the that's the title, right?
• 26:45
  Why I hate Star Citizen Why Actually, you probably get a lot
• 26:48
  of clicks to be. Honest.
• 26:49
  Yeah. Probably.
• 26:49
  Yeah. I don't.
• 26:51
  If only I believed it right? I I really love it.
• 26:54
  It's it's my favorite game of all time, so I couldn't stand
• 26:57
  for that unfortunately. Well, that's why we're here.
• 27:01
  That's why we're here. And so we're halfway through the
• 27:03
  show. So what I'm going to do is I'm
• 27:05
  going to invite up some callers. We got one caller in the waiting
• 27:08
  room and we'll invite him up. He's a regular guy, so he'll
• 27:10
  he'll ask ask us some questions. But before I do that, I did get
• 27:15
  a super secret file from CIG recently released a super secret
• 27:23
  file all about Windows. So I'm going to I'm going to
• 27:25
  pull that up here. Hold on.
• 27:27
  I got it. Fascinated.
• 27:30
  I'm also a little frightened. It's a lot.
• 27:32
  What is this? Oh, oh, hold on.
• 27:36
  Oh, it's all blacked out. So weird.
• 27:40
  So weird. There's no, there's no
• 27:43
  information. On here.
• 27:45
  It's just, it's just pages of of black.
• 27:47
  I wonder how much it cost them to to do this.
• 27:50
  Anyway, we're going to bring up our next guest here.
• 27:53
  Our next guest, our our first actual caller in is Cosmic Hobo.
• 28:00
  He's a regular here. Hey Cosmic, welcome to Open
• 28:02
  Comms Radio, your Star Citizen call in show.
• 28:05
  I'm George Jabroni, Co host today's Duke later the 2nd and
• 28:08
  our very, very special guest, Silent Archer, who you can see
• 28:12
  on YouTube. Just search Silent Archer, drop
• 28:15
  the A and you'll find his channel Cosmic Kobo.
• 28:19
  Who mentioned Windows? It's so early.
• 28:24
  It's not. It's.
• 28:25
  Like a lunchtime. It's seriously I'm on like my
• 28:28
  4th meal already. Wow, I well, it's really for me,
• 28:35
  Windows. Yeah.
• 28:36
  So like one of the first things most people I know for some
• 28:39
  reason do when looking at a ship is run through it looking for
• 28:42
  Windows and I think. Like.
• 28:47
  A lot of, like a lot of things in Star system windows need, you
• 28:52
  know, they're missing a feature there.
• 28:54
  There's feature debt, there's tech debt.
• 28:56
  And that feature is being able to put your face right up
• 29:00
  against it, like a child. And looking at it like that.
• 29:04
  Because. New cheeks mush technology.
• 29:07
  Exactly. About the perspective of how the
• 29:10
  game is right now, you look out a window and unless it's a
• 29:14
  really big window, you don't see very much.
• 29:18
  You see very little, but like I need to get my face up against
• 29:22
  that so I can look out like use that peripheral vision.
• 29:28
  When it's a. VR will help with that.
• 29:31
  Yeah, it's just like with VRI, can just slam my head up against
• 29:35
  the window just kind of like little grain it around the left
• 29:39
  and the right and maybe that'll work.
• 29:43
  But in its current form, windows take the Zeus windows.
• 29:49
  Specifically. The ones in the the galley there
• 29:55
  something about your distance from the window, even though
• 29:58
  it's not a terribly small window, just something about the
• 30:02
  FOV just doesn't work well for that window.
• 30:04
  Like you don't see very much. And that's the same problem with
• 30:09
  a lot of the windows in the game is they're there.
• 30:11
  Like you look at the Perseus, you look at the Apollo.
• 30:14
  The Apollo has a ton of windows. Like it's got a big star roof,
• 30:21
  like I, I suppose we're calling that.
• 30:23
  And it's got a lot of windows on the bridge, but like you can't
• 30:27
  see much out there. That's very true.
• 30:33
  Yeah, and in in the zoos, they in the ES in the hallway,
• 30:37
  there's a window looking into the galley.
• 30:40
  We can also look into the galley and out the exterior window.
• 30:44
  Right. And they mentioned that
• 30:45
  specifically as wanting to give it, you know, to give it kind of
• 30:48
  more of an explorer vibe. But it's the only window.
• 30:52
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:53
  And that's it. It's an explorer ship.
• 30:55
  So I expected, you know, more windows.
• 30:58
  I expected like more kind of living space, like maybe
• 31:01
  individual like rack rooms where you could have windows or
• 31:05
  portholes in them for for people.
• 31:09
  If you can tell, I'm, I was a little disappointed by the Zeus
• 31:13
  and they're seemingly like, I don't know, it just feels tacked
• 31:16
  on, right? Like there's, I just put it down
• 31:19
  here like they did it in like an afternoon.
• 31:22
  The cargo grid is not that much smaller and it seems very
• 31:26
  artificially decreased because they didn't change the geometry
• 31:31
  very much. Like if they change the geometry
• 31:35
  like they give that another, I don't know, 5 feet or something.
• 31:39
  Like pull it in another 5 feet, take up more space of that
• 31:43
  cargo, that now useless cargo area because they took away like
• 31:47
  the magnetic plates for a slight change in like geometry, but not
• 31:54
  enough that it makes sense. So like if they'd made it
• 31:57
  bigger, I could see, Oh yeah, far better.
• 32:00
  Like if the habitation area had a little more of that cargo grid
• 32:05
  space, but that would have required a lot of work probably
• 32:08
  with the geometry and component placements and stuff like that.
• 32:13
  But it it just seems like wasted space so much on the on the ES.
• 32:18
  Because of the. Interesting for.
• 32:21
  More windows there, or a sky roof or star roof, whatever.
• 32:25
  They're in the habitation room. Something like that would have
• 32:28
  been cool. Yeah, I feel like Windows are
• 32:32
  definitely an afterthought. And it's another one of those
• 32:36
  things where if, if you were a company like designing a real
• 32:41
  thing to be used by real humans, they would prioritize Windows
• 32:45
  more because people need it. I want to be jungles sitting in
• 32:50
  my office, you know, sipping my tea and looking out my.
• 32:54
  Window hot. Yeah.
• 32:56
  I also think actually with windows, one thing with a small
• 33:00
  windows is that you know the reflection is very distracting.
• 33:04
  Even with big windows, it's hard to look out because there's so
• 33:06
  much reflection, right? You can't look out because you
• 33:09
  just see the entire room behind you and I feel.
• 33:12
  Like with a. Zeus that's a big part of it as
• 33:14
  well. Like you try to look out, but
• 33:15
  you just don't see anything because it's reflecting the
• 33:18
  entire like white fluorescent light of the kitchen, right?
• 33:22
  Umm, which kind of, you know, definitely, it's definitely a
• 33:25
  hard window to look out of, uh, for sure for many reasons.
• 33:29
  And uh, it's, they do come as an afterthought with windows I
• 33:32
  think as well. Umm, but it's what you were
• 33:36
  saying. Windows have so much reflection,
• 33:37
  but our mirrors do not. Right.
• 33:40
  Right, Exactly. Yeah, that's true.
• 33:43
  What is this that's? Weird.
• 33:48
  All right, we do have another caller down in the waiter, a
• 33:51
  first time caller, maybe maybe the greatest fan of the show
• 33:56
  here. So I'm going to invite up this
• 33:57
  next caller to speak here on open Comms Radio.
• 34:01
  You just if you do call into the show, you'll get like a little
• 34:04
  notification. Just got to accept that
• 34:06
  notification to bring yourself up onto the caller waiting room
• 34:10
  or up into the show. And then when you do get in
• 34:13
  here, we just can ask our our our hosts what whatever you
• 34:18
  think, hopefully we're going to keep it on topic.
• 34:20
  Topic today about Windows. But if you haven't been Privy to
• 34:27
  the show, you'll know we used to have a pretty cool sponsor here.
• 34:31
  Isn't that right, Duke? That is, that is true.
• 34:35
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• 34:39
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  Yes, Lux is back. That's amazing.
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  Cruise Block is back. Did you have to murder Wicket
• 34:59
  for that and like show crew? No, turns out they didn't
• 35:05
  actually care about what Wicket said.
• 35:07
  He was right all along. Oh, all right.
• 35:10
  Yeah, yeah, They just forgot to e-mail us.
• 35:14
  They had. They had an intern running,
• 35:15
  running the ads and. Damn I hate wearing that ad.
• 35:18
  Anything for a few weeks I guess.
• 35:20
  OK. All right.
• 35:22
  Yeah, but we do have a Cruise Lux ad for us today all about
• 35:24
  windows. So before we bring on our next
• 35:27
  guest, here it is. Here we go.
• 35:32
  Tapping, tap, tap, tap on the windows.
• 35:39
  You need the energy to look outside, you need to know what's
• 35:43
  going on. But you couldn't do that without
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  cruise looks. Nana, Nana cruise looks.
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  Yeah, Wonderful. That was great. 20% plan by.
• 36:00
  Volume. So it looks like it looks like
• 36:03
  our guest did leave us there. Yeah.
• 36:06
  Totally abandoned. Had to, had to go, yeah.
• 36:09
  Yeah, so. Archer, you know you're pretty.
• 36:16
  Your YouTube channel is pretty much always really focused on
• 36:19
  the aesthetics. I've noticed that's true A.
• 36:22
  Lot of. Visual content.
• 36:24
  Talking about the scenery and the planets and and of course
• 36:29
  windows, would you say is that the thing that kind of brings
• 36:32
  you here most, the aesthetics of the game?
• 36:37
  I. Mean, yeah, I guess I've.
• 36:39
  Always been, kind of. I've always loved the aesthetics
• 36:43
  of Star Citizen, you know, all my cinematics and so on are.
• 36:49
  Are filmed, you know a. Lot of cinematics, you know, a
• 36:53
  lot of just photographing. That's a lot of my time here in
• 36:57
  Star Citizen. I I want, I want to explore.
• 37:02
  So yeah, the visuals are. Such a big part for me and.
• 37:05
  I, you know, I feel like a lot of people are talking about all
• 37:08
  the functional stuff, you know, gameplay wise and stuff, but I
• 37:11
  guess I just want to keep it down to earth, keep it down to,
• 37:13
  you know, talking about the visuals.
• 37:15
  It's something that feels lack like lackluster in the YouTube
• 37:19
  community. So I guess I just wanted to
• 37:22
  focus on that idea a bit a bit. And there there are some.
• 37:28
  Ships that are are not released yet that do incorporate I think
• 37:33
  Windows and a lot of what we're asking for in the show. 1 of
• 37:37
  them being is it the Endeavour or the one with all the modules?
• 37:45
  The larger, yeah. You do have.
• 37:48
  The. I guess the farming modules
• 37:51
  which is like a big greenhouse Dome you can attach.
• 37:57
  To the end of the. Ship.
• 37:59
  Yeah, exactly. But if you.
• 38:00
  Look at the like general. Working portions of the ship,
• 38:04
  it's it's still just no windows. Never anywhere else.
• 38:09
  I'm I'm going to pull up an. Image of that.
• 38:11
  While you're pulling up, there's.
• 38:13
  There was something. Very.
• 38:14
  Related to that recently, have you all done the survey yet?
• 38:19
  No, it's a new survey. Yeah, what's the?
• 38:22
  Survey What is this one? This is.
• 38:26
  It's from CIG directly. I believe it was mentioned in
• 38:29
  the launcher or in the 4.5 patch release notes somewhere.
• 38:35
  I I got both the link in the in the server, but I was
• 38:39
  essentially asking about like what you what game loops you
• 38:42
  think are in a good state? What's what game loops are you?
• 38:46
  This was the most interesting. What game loops are you looking
• 38:48
  most forward to? And the two that stood out to me
• 38:52
  that they brought up were people moving so like transportation
• 38:57
  player or NPC player, human transportation, not not human
• 39:02
  trafficking and farming. They they brought up by word
• 39:10
  farming as a gameplay loop. I don't think they even.
• 39:14
  Brought up science. But they brought up farming.
• 39:18
  Well, farming. Could be probably.
• 39:20
  Pretty easily to implement gameplay wise.
• 39:22
  Really, a billion games out there have.
• 39:25
  Farming already, but we always know that's.
• 39:27
  The wheel is something. CIG must make more with more
• 39:31
  fidelity. So they're going to take the
• 39:33
  wheel. They're going to, they're going
• 39:35
  to re examine it. They're they're going to take it
• 39:37
  back to the drawing board. They're going to take that wheel
• 39:41
  and bring it back to fun and make it more Fidel Castro along
• 39:46
  the way. OK, OK.
• 39:52
  So they're reworking farming. Yeah, they're, they're already
• 39:55
  reworking. Farming.
• 39:56
  Yeah, totally that. It's they, they got to take back
• 40:00
  that farming to fun. Well, they're not reworking.
• 40:03
  It they're working it, I know that was the joke.
• 40:06
  Oh, OK. Yeah.
• 40:07
  Oh. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
• 40:11
  Ha ha. Here are some of those.
• 40:13
  Endeavour modules. They got here farming greenhouse
• 40:17
  modules right? It is interesting.
• 40:21
  That. The farming module has this
• 40:23
  glass. I get why because it represents
• 40:24
  A greenhouse, but if you're floating in space, like where's
• 40:29
  the light for the plants coming from?
• 40:30
  I was just looking at you. It's like it's coming.
• 40:32
  From the stars, what do you? Mean whoa whoa whoa, Starlight.
• 40:35
  You forget that the star is in space.
• 40:40
  Wait, are we playing a space? Game you technically you'd be
• 40:43
  getting. More solar radiation than you
• 40:46
  would on a planet. But that's too much solar
• 40:51
  radiation. Right.
• 40:52
  So I mean you assume that those. That glass would be would
• 40:55
  probably have special filters. They can probably adjust it
• 40:57
  depending on how close they are to a star.
• 41:00
  What kind of star? But remember, jar jar literally
• 41:04
  everything is in space. That's true.
• 41:08
  Are we in space? We are in space.
• 41:10
  We're all in space right now, floating around.
• 41:13
  That's pretty cool. That's deep.
• 41:18
  That is deep. So.
• 41:19
  We do have a. Lot of passenger ships, I guess.
• 41:24
  Not a lot, but a few passenger ships.
• 41:26
  You have the Genesis Starliner. We already have the Connie, but
• 41:30
  I suppose they've mentioned doing Connie reworks hobo.
• 41:36
  You're the big Connie. Guy yeah, they've talked about
• 41:39
  it. But they've said it's not going
• 41:41
  to be another mark, So it's not going to be a big free work,
• 41:45
  unfortunately, because the mark system, OK, they they kind of
• 41:49
  screwed up that logic by releasing the the mark twos for
• 41:51
  the Hornets. But originally the mark system
• 41:54
  was just they had it for the Connie.
• 41:57
  We're on the Mark 4 for the Connie.
• 41:59
  And that's not just a lore thing.
• 42:01
  That's a how many times they've already like reworked it.
• 42:06
  So. They've talked about if they're
• 42:08
  going to do some work on it, but it I hope to God at least it's
• 42:12
  the struts. So they'll they'll they'll cut
• 42:15
  down on the struts a little bit, but other than.
• 42:18
  That they've not mentioned. And they need to put those
• 42:21
  cables like they need to properly install those cables on
• 42:24
  the bridge. Loose cables should not be an
• 42:26
  RSI ship. Loose tables not.
• 42:30
  That is not quality. Works meant workmanship.
• 42:33
  Yeah, Archer, you want? To say something.
• 42:36
  No, I just totally agree I think.
• 42:38
  The economy needs a bit of an uplift to kind of match RSI's
• 42:43
  visual aesthetic nowadays. Like even if it's made in the
• 42:48
  ancient days, I think it shouldn't look like this.
• 42:50
  So, you know, indoor, you know. But the struts are interesting.
• 42:57
  Because. The older ships do have a lot of
• 43:00
  struts and I think they were thinking of like glass panels,
• 43:05
  right? You put in the glass panel at a
• 43:06
  time. And I think as you know,
• 43:09
  technology has changed. If this game started 2012 or
• 43:14
  kick started 2012, now it's 2025 and we have 3D printing and we
• 43:20
  have, I mean, even improvements in like the military use of
• 43:24
  things like glass and windows. And you do see fewer struts in
• 43:29
  newer ships. That's true.
• 43:32
  But do we? If we take RSI ships for
• 43:35
  example, they still have quite a lot of struts.
• 43:39
  Yeah, I mean, I mean the zoos have hollow.
• 43:42
  Look at the opinion, I say it's. Part like it's.
• 43:44
  Part of their whole. Design language though, yeah.
• 43:46
  And I quite like the Struts actually.
• 43:47
  It's kind of an unpopular opinion, but I kind of like the
• 43:49
  Struts I. Think you're fine?
• 43:53
  On the Connie, except for that one in the very middle, it's
• 43:58
  just like very middle of your. Screen and.
• 44:00
  It's just blocking a lot if they just.
• 44:05
  Removed that one. Honestly, I think I'd be fine
• 44:08
  with the rest of the struts. It's just that that those two
• 44:12
  there that rectangle. And if we're talking ships with
• 44:16
  windows, the Phoenix has tons of them.
• 44:20
  That whole back area is just all windows.
• 44:23
  The Phoenix. The Phoenix is an example.
• 44:25
  Of a ship that it it does. It works for sure.
• 44:31
  Yeah, it does Windows. Right.
• 44:32
  For sure. I mean.
• 44:33
  I love those kind of sideway windows and yeah, for sure it's
• 44:37
  the only ship where I could say that.
• 44:39
  It it's good, doesn't need any more windows.
• 44:42
  Yeah, that's. True, actually.
• 44:43
  I mean, it's, it really feels. Like a a suitable private jets,
• 44:46
  you know or a bit. Bigger, maybe a bit bigger.
• 44:49
  Than a private ship but. That was.
• 44:54
  Yeah, go Duke. No.
• 44:55
  No, go ahead. I was just that.
• 44:57
  Was back when they were. Making ships like as Jpegs and
• 45:01
  they were really trying to sell the aesthetics of the ships.
• 45:05
  Now they're trying to sell like the gameplay of the ships.
• 45:09
  So if you think about the last exploration ships we got, I
• 45:14
  think the last explorer ship was the the Zeus variant and that
• 45:17
  was we all agree was a little half assed before.
• 45:22
  That it was the. 400I right, which was maybe I think that was
• 45:28
  still kind of the old way that they were marketing ships and it
• 45:32
  was like it was like AJ Peg. I remember it was like the ship
• 45:35
  that came out when I started the game.
• 45:38
  It was like the first kind of one that that they marketed and
• 45:41
  that I really felt was like, you know, something interesting, but
• 45:45
  that ship, you know, also has the windows and and maintains
• 45:48
  that. What do you think?
• 45:51
  Going forward. In terms of new ships that
• 45:54
  they're going to release and stuff are do you think there's a
• 45:58
  possibility that CNG is going to take, you know, the windows and,
• 46:03
  and the visual components of the ships back to that really
• 46:07
  aesthetic, you know, focusing on the look of it for the player,
• 46:11
  like we have with the Connie and making it really fancy?
• 46:14
  Or are they just going to continue, you know, pushing
• 46:18
  through this, you know, gameplay centric focus and kind of leave,
• 46:23
  you know, the the aesthetics of the ship in in the back?
• 46:28
  Interesting, I mean. I feel like honestly, if I may
• 46:33
  disagree. Slightly.
• 46:35
  I feel like if we take the purse, hold on.
• 46:43
  If we take the purses for. Instance that's quite a new
• 46:46
  ship, right? I feel like that's, you know,
• 46:51
  they've just really improved. I feel like their ship skills
• 46:54
  have improved if we compare it to ships like, well, I mean
• 46:59
  every other old ship, if I, if I do say so myself.
• 47:03
  Maybe I'm a bit far, far out here and maybe the windows
• 47:08
  aren't really up to date and you know, we, we need more windows
• 47:10
  still, but that the ships still kind of do serve this aesthetic
• 47:15
  purpose. But maybe I'm wrong.
• 47:16
  Maybe you guys disagree with me. Just so, just so we're on the
• 47:22
  same page. I think they've certainly
• 47:26
  improved. The problem is there's a lot of
• 47:28
  those old ships still around with old design Language with
• 47:32
  old component layouts is now particularly an issue.
• 47:38
  A lot of those older ships, especially those before like
• 47:41
  2020 or so, have more Freelancer, yeah.
• 47:46
  Yeah. Very.
• 47:47
  Such a designed interiors and component locations, yeah.
• 47:54
  It's a shame. One in particular that needs a
• 47:58
  lot of love based. On based on the clarification
• 48:02
  that CIG get when I can't remember when that was it was I
• 48:05
  think it was in the Star Citizen live they did recently they
• 48:07
  talked about the difference between when they do a rework or
• 48:11
  when they do a mark 2 and and gold standard and what that all
• 48:16
  meant. In my head listening to it, I'm
• 48:18
  like, all right, I think they will eventually do a freelancer
• 48:22
  Mark 2, yeah. Because the old one is, you know
• 48:26
  it's serviceable. They like you know, they don't
• 48:28
  completely need to gut it, but it definitely needs it needs
• 48:32
  something new. They need a mark 2.
• 48:34
  I I disagree it needs to be. Gutted well as.
• 48:38
  The design as it. Stands just doesn't work.
• 48:41
  You you know what? You're right.
• 48:42
  I retract my statement because when I when I stopped to
• 48:45
  actually think about it, because you've got the whole center,
• 48:47
  center, central section, which is unusable.
• 48:53
  Yeah, but you can't use it for the.
• 48:55
  Cargo it's. Just there.
• 48:57
  So there you go CIG, it's official.
• 49:00
  You do need to do a complete rework on the freelancer.
• 49:05
  Thank you 100. So I may I may get.
• 49:07
  One, then Archer, last word. I'm going to bring up our next
• 49:11
  guest. Yeah, no.
• 49:15
  Just that we need, I would love to see a freelancer in the Star
• 49:18
  Lancer, you know, quality. I mean, I, I would, I would want
• 49:21
  nothing less. You know, it'd be so amazing.
• 49:23
  And that's what I want to say, you know, very good.
• 49:27
  Very good. Well, we're coming up on the end
• 49:29
  of the show, so this is going to be our last caller for the show,
• 49:31
  but it's a valuable caller. Very, very good.
• 49:34
  Friend of the show here, Good participant.
• 49:37
  Murphy Jack, leader of the Red Scar Nomads.
• 49:39
  Murphy, Jack, who mentioned Windows?
• 49:43
  Well, you did, but it's real quick silent.
• 49:47
  It's. Really good to.
• 49:48
  Hear you again. Thank you.
• 49:50
  You too. So glad hearing you.
• 49:52
  I was long time when jar. Jar messaged me and said.
• 49:55
  He's you're coming on the show. I was like, Oh my God, that's
• 49:57
  amazing. I'm honored to be here.
• 50:01
  Yeah, your videos kick ass as. Always thank you Windows very
• 50:08
  the thing. That the other day.
• 50:10
  Well, the other day, I don't know, it's just a couple months
• 50:12
  ago now, we're in an Apollo and we took it through the jump
• 50:16
  point and just looking out there as we're going through the jump
• 50:19
  point and everything, like if we were in a Drake ship, I wouldn't
• 50:23
  have seen any of that. It was amazing.
• 50:26
  And then the tour. That we did the.
• 50:28
  Other day with the 890, like all the places we were going and
• 50:31
  everything it was, it adds so much.
• 50:35
  Depth and shows. And you're able to see all the
• 50:39
  beauty that they. Make just.
• 50:40
  By hanging out in the ship, walking around versus being in
• 50:43
  the cockpit, Right. So it's definitely worth it.
• 50:45
  But then like you brought up the worm fight, they're also like,
• 50:50
  gameplay wise needed because we were able to spy on that group,
• 50:56
  figure out how many they had in that Med Bay, so we can organize
• 51:01
  and rescue our people. Yeah.
• 51:05
  So it. Is super important.
• 51:09
  I mean, yeah, I totally agree. I love windows, they just.
• 51:14
  They really just improve everything.
• 51:16
  Every aspect of the game on Mustang for sure.
• 51:21
  They just add a lot of feeling. It's cool.
• 51:24
  It's just the feeling of like walking through, like the Idris,
• 51:29
  you know, running down from a turret, running down the stairs
• 51:33
  to get in our fighter and launch.
• 51:35
  And we're running down the stairs, looking out the window,
• 51:37
  seeing where we are because we're running down to the
• 51:39
  surface to provide backup. Like, oh, look, OK, we're
• 51:42
  getting close. You know, like, go, go, go.
• 51:44
  It was just really neat. Just adds so much.
• 51:49
  It adds everything. It's a final time.
• 51:51
  For it. Go go go go go try time.
• 51:58
  I was just going to say Raven forces in chat.
• 52:00
  Just going into orbit hits differently.
• 52:02
  In a passenger seat with a window, it's amazing.
• 52:09
  It is. There's nothing else like it.
• 52:12
  I mean, just just ask yourself a simple.
• 52:14
  Question where? Do you want to be in a ship in
• 52:17
  Star Citizen as a passenger? Like when when you're jumping
• 52:22
  through a wormhole or going into orbit?
• 52:24
  Do you want to be standing in some corridor looking at, you
• 52:28
  know, a, a grey metal wall, or do you want to be, you're going
• 52:31
  to be up like standing in the cockpit, you know, looking out
• 52:34
  behind the the pilot or you're going to find a window that's
• 52:37
  where you want to be. I mean, it's it's true.
• 52:39
  And I mean. I mentioned this in my video,
• 52:42
  actually. It's like kind of a final sub
• 52:44
  point, you know, 1 aspect of windows that make them unlike
• 52:48
  anything in the game, you know, even compared to cockpits,
• 52:51
  right, is that they serve a very passive function.
• 52:54
  You can't control the ship from a window.
• 52:57
  And just the fact that you can't do that just changes the gate.
• 52:59
  It changes the feeling of standing at a window.
• 53:02
  You know, it's kind of just just need to feel, you know, there's
• 53:06
  something about the immersion, the fact that its point is being
• 53:10
  observational that just kind of and the heightens the experience
• 53:13
  even further than being at the cockpit, for instance.
• 53:15
  I don't know if anybody, any of you can agree with me on that.
• 53:19
  Yeah. It's totally there's all these
• 53:23
  visuals. In the game that you're not
• 53:25
  going to see staring at the hallway or even in a turret.
• 53:29
  Like turrets are the backup kind of windows if you're not in a
• 53:34
  cockpit or there's a ship without a lot of windows, but
• 53:38
  they're just not the same. It's not the.
• 53:41
  Same as. Like getting ready to go.
• 53:44
  Like I look outside of the airlock doors right before we
• 53:50
  like deploy and that's cool. But then sometimes it's like, I
• 53:53
  can't see much, let me open it up and like, OK, well, then you
• 53:55
  have an open door on the ship and that's a terrible idea, but
• 53:58
  you get to see more. And that's the thing.
• 54:00
  You need to see more and with a bigger window, that'd be great.
• 54:07
  Yeah, no, totally, Skeeter says in chat.
• 54:11
  The more. Windows you have, the more
• 54:13
  bigger thrusters you need, which bums more, which burns more
• 54:17
  fuel. The more windows you have, the
• 54:19
  more bigger thrusters you need. He's saying because they're
• 54:22
  heavier maybe? Oh, are they that much heavier?
• 54:27
  Is that why? Drake has no windows.
• 54:31
  Yeah, they're very heavy, that's true.
• 54:32
  They're very. Thick and Drake.
• 54:35
  Wouldn't Drake? I will not defend Drake, but
• 54:39
  they do have those tiny portholes on some of their
• 54:42
  ships. I know.
• 54:43
  Why not on the Corsair though? Why not on the course?
• 54:46
  It's my biggest like almost hate the object in this game.
• 54:49
  But they don't have windows in the Corsair.
• 54:51
  Who removed the windows? Of the Corsair.
• 54:55
  Because it's an. Exploration ship, right so.
• 54:57
  You're you're. Like.
• 54:59
  Right, you're you're crooning with explorers.
• 55:01
  Right. People who want to explore, they
• 55:03
  want to get out there and see stuff.
• 55:05
  And then what do you do? You encase them in a huge metal
• 55:07
  tube or box or oblong and then just shoot them into space.
• 55:14
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's.
• 55:16
  Lasers an exploration. Ship it is not it is a pirate
• 55:20
  ship. It's just a giant.
• 55:22
  It's a gunboat. It's a it's a shittier gunboat
• 55:25
  because it's like, that's not true.
• 55:27
  It's actually. It's entirely true.
• 55:29
  It's a shitty ship. I'm saying it does provide.
• 55:32
  Motivation to get out and explore the planet.
• 55:34
  When you land, you're like, Oh my God, let me.
• 55:37
  Yeah, yeah. Exactly hide exactly lying tomb.
• 55:41
  Motivation through fair fear. No, what what what baffles me is
• 55:48
  that. They they had windows.
• 55:49
  In the concept it had Windows. In the concept and then.
• 55:53
  They're just gone. You know, they had small portals
• 55:58
  in every kind of room. But now that it doesn't have
• 56:01
  windows and just baffles me, it disappoints me immeasurably
• 56:04
  actually. Like unreasonably much, do you
• 56:07
  think? That is.
• 56:08
  Like there's some like it's more difficult for them because maybe
• 56:12
  it's like another layer or something or adds time to the
• 56:15
  ship development to put in windows somehow.
• 56:18
  They have to make, you know, because you can't.
• 56:20
  You can no longer have just the mesh of an object be this flat
• 56:23
  thing. You have to cut a porthole in it
• 56:25
  and then cut a piece of glass to put in it or something.
• 56:28
  In terms of developing the game, do you think that's why we're
• 56:31
  not getting quite as many or they're removing them from ship
• 56:35
  from the concepts? You know, I've heard that
• 56:39
  argument. For not having any.
• 56:42
  Windows, but I mean I feel. Like it, it can't be that much
• 56:45
  work. But I, I will say I'm not
• 56:46
  experienced in the field of like computer, like gaming, like
• 56:49
  creating a game. So maybe somebody else is more
• 56:52
  experienced, more qualified to answer this.
• 56:56
  Not here, not here. All right.
• 56:59
  Well then I think it's just a dumb excuse.
• 57:03
  I could only. Imagine there's something.
• 57:05
  Involving performance hits for too many windows.
• 57:08
  But that's, I mean, my Phoenix does fine and it has, yeah, it's
• 57:15
  tons of windows. There are.
• 57:16
  Examples of the in the game. Of ships that have plenty of
• 57:19
  windows and it's it's not a problem, yeah.
• 57:24
  Totally. It could be a.
• 57:25
  Culling thing. Maybe, I don't know, it could
• 57:29
  just be totally overlooking it honestly.
• 57:32
  I mean, the simplest answer is usually true I think.
• 57:35
  I mean we, we recently. I had a chance to to, you know,
• 57:40
  what do they, what do they say to pull the ear to, to, to grab
• 57:43
  the ear? I know I had, I had the ear of a
• 57:46
  couple of guys at CIG involved with ships and I told them
• 57:52
  Windows we need, Yeah. And they they agreed.
• 57:56
  They were like you. Know they said it's true we like
• 58:00
  windows too and and we love windows we'll.
• 58:04
  We'll get more windows. So glad to hear.
• 58:07
  That. If you're listening and I'm
• 58:09
  sure. You are, you know who you are.
• 58:12
  I'm waiting for my windows. We would love to have more
• 58:15
  windows. We.
• 58:16
  Just have tech debt for Windows. Shut up promo.
• 58:23
  All. Right.
• 58:24
  Well, we're coming on the the. Hour of the show here and so we
• 58:27
  are we are going to wind it down here, Archer.
• 58:31
  What we usually do here is we usually go around for the end of
• 58:34
  the show and we ask everyone the same question.
• 58:37
  All right, we're going to do that again.
• 58:38
  We go. In reverse order.
• 58:40
  We're going to start with Murphy Jack.
• 58:43
  Murphy Jack, is there anything you'd like to say to Chris
• 58:46
  Roberts, CIG or the people on the Internet?
• 58:50
  The CIG keep going on the windows, but let's get some
• 58:53
  tinted windows to the people on the Internet documents that are
• 58:56
  all black. I heard you earlier.
• 58:59
  Documents that are all. Black are not documents at all
• 59:03
  that. Was an underrated bit charger.
• 59:05
  I I. I got to give you credit, it was
• 59:07
  a very underrated bit. I I hope we that that's just a
• 59:09
  way to to waste. I immediately got it and I want.
• 59:13
  People to hear it, yeah. Yeah, it's just.
• 59:16
  Whatever, it's not what the show's about, but it's that's in
• 59:18
  like, it's insane, but it's also totally predictable and it's a
• 59:22
  lack of transparency and. That covers Windows.
• 59:25
  That covers Windows lack of transparency.
• 59:28
  We. Got to redo.
• 59:29
  The show. We got to.
• 59:30
  Redo the whole thing from the top Cosmic hobo.
• 59:36
  Anything you want to say to CIG? Chris Roberts of the People on
• 59:38
  the Internet. So Windows are.
• 59:40
  Great, but like. Global illumination please, so
• 59:43
  we can properly use those windows.
• 59:47
  What do you What is global illumination?
• 59:49
  There so you know how lighting is kind of.
• 59:51
  Static and fixed right now with only a few exceptions.
• 59:56
  That's because lighting is currently just kind of baked in,
• 1:00:00
  and we need global illumination to have more dynamic lighting.
• 1:00:05
  So like the light source it's selfish sending out OK they
• 1:00:10
  showed this off in citizen gun like.
• 1:00:11
  Two years ago now I think is the.
• 1:00:15
  The example would be like a moving light source, changing
• 1:00:18
  the way the light hits inside of the ship.
• 1:00:24
  More so than like now. OK, so you know how.
• 1:00:26
  Like in the in the the day, in the night time, you can see into
• 1:00:30
  people's houses through their windows.
• 1:00:33
  Yeah, very easily. But in daytime, yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Just. OK.
• 1:00:37
  You know. And but in the daytime,
• 1:00:40
  depending if it's brighter outside than inside, the window
• 1:00:44
  could be wide open, but you really can't see into it.
• 1:00:47
  Yeah, and I'm sure there's. Fancy words to explain this, but
• 1:00:51
  yes. But is.
• 1:00:53
  Global illumination going. To like have this effect, I
• 1:00:57
  don't know. I I I know what it will do is
• 1:01:01
  allow for more dynamic light sources instead of how
• 1:01:04
  everything's just sort of static and baked in now.
• 1:01:09
  I guess my. Question is, can I walk?
• 1:01:10
  Around my hab naked in the daytime.
• 1:01:13
  You could do that anytime. You can.
• 1:01:16
  You can do that anyway like we. Don't have windows in most of
• 1:01:18
  the. Habs for most of the planets.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah, that's actually a fairpoint and.
• 1:01:25
  Stations, like stations, don't have letters at.
• 1:01:26
  All about their habs. What's your point?
• 1:01:29
  Duke. No, I'll wait for my turn.
• 1:01:32
  OK, OK, well, you don't get. Whatever.
• 1:01:34
  All right. Silent Archer.
• 1:01:36
  Silent Archer's turn, Duke. Silent Archer.
• 1:01:38
  Anything you want to say to CIG, Chris Roberts, or the people on
• 1:01:41
  the Internet? I mean to CIG and Chris Roberts.
• 1:01:45
  I mean, I guess thank you for making this game.
• 1:01:47
  I mean, it's it's honestly, you know, I may criticize it and so
• 1:01:50
  on, but it's such a fantastic, you know, service to humanity,
• 1:01:54
  honestly making this game and I'm just so grateful for that.
• 1:01:56
  And to be able to cover it and make cinematics and stuff is
• 1:01:59
  such a gift. But also more windows, please.
• 1:02:04
  So, yeah, two edged sword there. But and then to the people.
• 1:02:08
  Thank you so much for. Listening in and it's an honor
• 1:02:10
  that you wanted to hear what we all had to say.
• 1:02:13
  And thank you. Yeah, thank you for having me
• 1:02:17
  here. Basically.
• 1:02:17
  I guess to the people and yeah, how's that?
• 1:02:21
  You are nowhere near as. Critical as most of our guests
• 1:02:25
  just. Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Yeah, and. If you haven't checked out
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  Silent. Archer's video on Windows or all
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  of his other videos, you can check him out on YouTube and
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  just search Silent Archer, drop the ASILENTRCHER, check him out
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  there on YouTube, all his videos.
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  They're pretty, pretty cool. Duke, we did it, we did it.
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  I still want to say something to CIG.
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  Though, yeah, which is. I want.
• 1:02:58
  You know, base building, base building soon, right?
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  And when we get those those halves, they better have
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  windows. There better be lots of.
• 1:03:07
  Windows. I don't.
• 1:03:07
  I don't. Want to be plopping down
• 1:03:10
  basically storage boxes with the door on them.
• 1:03:12
  I want windows second bat, second bat.
• 1:03:15
  Right. All right, let's not.
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  Let's not. Threaten CIG though we have a
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  threatened. You.
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  Better than that, you know. They're better all right.
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  Duke, play us out.