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Jon: Drama.
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Ryan: drama, thriller.
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Well, Rodney Dangerfield's in there, but not in the role you would expect
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Kearns: definitely not in the real
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Ryan: in a, he still didn't get any respect
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Kearns: Christian serial killers are really getting me down.
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Oh, Rodney Dangerfield.
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That speaks to the age of the film.
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When did Umm frailty come out?
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Ryan: too.
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2002.
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Kearns: The year, man graduated from high school, filled with hopes and dreams.
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man is man.
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Yeah, 2002 seems right.
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It's got the grainy quality.
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The whole film seems dusty, but I think that's on purpose.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: this,
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Kearns: set in 2002.
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Ryan: no, it jumps from, uh, current period, which was 2002 to 1979,
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Kearns: And
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Ryan: but
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Kearns: that
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Ryan: it,
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Kearns: look.
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Ryan: but it leads to a good question.
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If you were on a desert island, what top three Bill Paxton films would you
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take with you to enjoy for the rest of your life on that desert island?
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Kearns: of Big Love,
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his polyamorous, series on HBO from around the same era a little
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bit later, like two years later.
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I think Big Love was hitting HBO, right?
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Ryan: I believe so.
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Yes, because,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: 'cause this, this movie put him back in the spotlight, I feel,
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even though he's, he's always in the spotlight, so you're just
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going with big love as your three
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Kearns: being an asshole.
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Um, I'll let John
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Ryan: like,
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Kearns: because I'm collecting myself.
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Yeah,
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Ryan: yeah, I'm, I'm already prepared just in case.
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Kearns: I.
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Jon: All right.
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I will say my three stuck forever, bill Paxton movies would be weird.
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Science,
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Ryan: Okay.
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Kearns: All right.
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Maybe I shouldn't have let you go first.
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Jon: club dread,
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Ryan: Uh, coconut pea.
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Jon: and I'll leave you guys some of the other ones.
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Tombstone.
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Ryan: All right.
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All right.
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What inspired me to grow that mustache that summer?
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Kearns: weird science and tombstone from me.
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I'm only gonna keep one.
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Tombstone is one of my favorites.
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Um, and there's so much goodness in that with Sam Elliot and Russell and
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countless other guys in that movie.
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I, I'm just gonna be basic bitch and go with aliens.
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Right?
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Gotta go with aliens.
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Let's see what other big franchise is he associated with?
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Anyone?
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Anyone.
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Jon: Mm,
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Ryan: Bueller
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Kearns: Isn't he in
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Ryan: Bueller,
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Jon: he is.
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Ryan: he's in the first one.
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Kearns: what I was gonna, yeah, I was gonna go with it, but I'm drawing a
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blank from like where in the movie.
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I remember him.
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I just keep
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Ryan: I think he's in the beginning.
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Kearns: Yeah, he's right at the,
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Jon: a, he's not in it long, but he's early.
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Early.
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Kearns: he gets killed.
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Uh, not killed off.
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Does he get bugged off in the bar or something like that?
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: Arnold beats the crap out of them.
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Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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It's just a fine way to go.
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But yeah, that'll be me.
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I'll be basic.
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I'll go tombstone aliens and, uh, and terminated.
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Ryan: All right.
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Oh, I'm gonna be, oh, basic and unique.
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I guess.
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First one's gonna be Twister.
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I need to see a flying cow once in a blue moon.
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Um, and the breakfast scene is just, uh, just so good.
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Kearns: me puke.
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Ryan: My, my bad.
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Um, well, this might even, oh, predator two.
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He is in Predator two.
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He's one.
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He is, uh, Jerry Lambert, one of the cops who work with, uh, Danny Glover
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Kearns: Oh,
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Ryan: and
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Jon: Yep.
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Ryan: And he's just, it's just the urban landscape is great, and his role's good.
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Plus you get Gary Busey in it too,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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That's a great movie.
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And
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Ryan: like
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Kearns: what
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Ryan: just a maniac.
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Kearns: Holy Trinity too.
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He's in all
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Ryan: Yes.
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He's, just a legend.
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And, I gotta go with near dark, need some vampires.
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Kearns: All right, fair
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Ryan: I didn't save it from the last list, so I had to save it for this one.
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I can watch that movie all the time.
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It's just so good.
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Kearns: You are
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Ryan: And he's such a jackass in that film.
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It's great.
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It's just so great.
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Kearns: Good call.
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Good call.
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Alright,
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Ryan: Nah,
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Jon: good one.
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Kearns: if you
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Ryan: everyone had good threes.
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Kearns: in the dark, we're doing Xenomania episode something or other on frailty
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Ryan: 24.
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Kearns: Yeah, it's 25.
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Ryan: 26.
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26.
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Kearns: Already done.
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26. Not to show you guys how we make the donuts.
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Yeah, we're getting there.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Kearns: quarter mark.
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Getting closer
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Ryan: Well actually, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Erase that.
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This is actually gonna be 27 because we're seeing 28 years later
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Kearns: We
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Ryan: and that's, I think we are, we're gonna have to cap that trilogy.
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Kearns: You think this is gonna come out okay.
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After John will be the, the one who decides all that, I
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Ryan: No.
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Did I jump the gun?
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Jon: We will have to see.
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We'll have to see
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Kearns: We're really shuffling things now.
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Jon: 28 years later together in time.
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Kearns: Well watching it, uh, Thursday and then recording that Friday, it'll
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be, it'll be ready for that Wednesday.
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We can do that
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: foci, right, Ryan?
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As I make promises, Ryan's the primary editor of the episodes,
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Ryan: Oh, it's always ready on Wednesdays.
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It's just the pictures.
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Try to get those good pictures for you guys.
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Kearns: yeah, buddy.
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Um,
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Ryan: the last one of Brendan Gleason had to represent Matt,
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I moody in a brilliant way.
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But, uh, we're talking about, we gotta talk about frailty and we gotta
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talk about the great Bill Paxton
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Kearns: Said.
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Ryan: Bill Paxton, and I think this is, is this his only movie he's directed?
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Jon: He
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Kearns: don't know.
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Jon: directing credits.
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Ryan: Okay.
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Jon: This is the only movie that of hit that he made that I've seen in one of his
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directing credits is Saturday Night Live.
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Somehow.
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Kearns: Huh.
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Well, they do that sometimes.
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Uh, but yeah, this is, um, an interesting movie is we, we started
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our open with us debating on kind of whether or not what it is.
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'cause it's not technically horror, but it is dark as shit
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and it still gives me goosebumps.
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so we begin before pre-flash back with, uh, Matthew McConaughey.
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You may have heard of him.
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He is a budding young actor.
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Ryan: All right.
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All right.
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All right.
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Kearns: walks into a police station and he's gonna, he's got a story to tell.
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And who does he tell it to?
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Ryan: Powers Booth
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Kearns: Howard, one of the
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Ryan: Agent Doyle.
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Jon: agent Doyle.
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Kearns: I always,
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Jon: his, it's kind of Powers, Booth's Peak.
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Craig t Nelson.
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Period.
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Kearns: yeah.
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Yeah.
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Fair.
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Ryan: It's the hair.
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Jon: know that's Power's booth in this, the first time you
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see him, you're like, coach,
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Kearns: No, that's great.
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That's great.
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yeah, he's, more forehead than man in this movie for sure.
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I.
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Jon: yeah,
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Kearns: His acting too is just like grimace, grimace, blank.
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Grimace, grimace.
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Ryan: even when he shows happiness, like you watch him in Deadwood or even
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like Sin City, it's still offputting.
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He's a creep.
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He, well, he was a creepy dude.
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He is dead.
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You know, he's sadly passed away, unlike Tim Curry who's still alive.
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Kearns: spoilers Tim Curry.
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Uh, yeah, his, uh, he's doing great.
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He's really kicking, so the film, it flash, uh, he, so he comes in and he
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is like, Hey, I saw some crazy crap.
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And I gotta tell you some crazy stuff because there, there's some people
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whose is dead and they give him a cup of coffee and they bring him into an
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office and we get the flashback scenario and it's very, uh, usual suspects in
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which was very popular at the time.
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And we flash back to the
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Ryan: Yep.
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Kearns: He portrays himself as one of two brothers whose names are
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Jon: Ben.
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Kearns: who names their kid.
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Fenton.
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Fenton, Knoll,
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Jon: I mean, it, it de, it definitely doesn't hold up today.
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Kearns: new Fenton.
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My Spanish teacher's name was Fenton Powers, by the way.
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I was an interesting name.
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Fenton adjacent to that.
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So Fenton and Adam.
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One's very biblical and one's very methy.
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: McConaughey is Fenton the flashback.
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As we start and we go through, um, we've got something to mention a little
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bit about how they ruin this movie with modern streaming and whatnot.
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But, we go through the stories and it's just basically a dad raising his two sons.
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The guy's pretty righteous.
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He's very religious.
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He's a mechanic.
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the kids are good kids.
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It's great.
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It's like, seems nice.
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And then dad comes home and he is like, boys, boys, get outta bed quick.
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Daddy had a nervous breakdown.
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I mean, uh, daddy was, uh, approached by an angel and he
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told me, I, I got to kill demons.
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my favorite part of that whole scene, by the way, 'cause it, I, it was plausible.
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And then he busts out a lead pipe and Otis
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Ryan: Yep.
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Kearns: and a pair of
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Ryan: Hmm.
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Kearns: and he is like, these are my divine weapons for killing the demons.
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And you're immediately like, oh shit, this is not good.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He, because initially it's, we're gonna be given the list and means
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to kill the demons in the future.
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Kearns: Right.
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Jon: right, this is just gonna be something that he brings up this
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one time and it's gonna go away.
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not gonna drag his children into serial killing.
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Kearns: Bubu.
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Spoiler alert.
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Ryan: Well,
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Kearns: he does.
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He gets him in onboard right
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Ryan: percent.
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Kearns: business.
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Um,
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Ryan: he gets Adam on board.
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Fenton, he's, he's questionable about it.
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He's just like, oh, this isn't right,
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Kearns: oh yeah.
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Ryan: you know?
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Kearns: dad's a lunatic.
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And we'll get through that too.
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Uh,
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Ryan: Oh, yeah.
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Kearns: that though, I wanna talk about the lead pipe, the methodology.
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So the, the gloves are to keep him from seeing like, ah, 'cause when
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he touches 'em, he's got the Bruce Willis from Unbreakable and he
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can see everything they've done,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: um, isn't an interesting superpower.
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So he's gotta wear the, the mechanics gloves to keep from happening when he
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is handling them, these demons, which are people, or they look like people.
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It's not like we're dealing with, Constantine style stuff going on here.
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And then so they trick 'em, they bangs 'em over the head with the lead pipe.
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They drag 'em into a van and they drive 'em to a sex dungeon, uh,
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which actually was above ground.
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And then they bring it below ground.
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they dig it out later, and then they use Otis to decapitate them.
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is into the acts
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Jon: Yes.
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Kearns: it's, I I thought, I think that's one of the more
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endearing parts of the movie.
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Um, and I, I racked my brain the first time I watched it for religious
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implications because was like, okay, maybe the V is a five and is
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this like some sort of Latin thing?
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it, I spent a little bit of time on it early internet, so that wasn't much
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help and I couldn't find anything.
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And I'm glad I couldn't because apparently it's got no meaning other
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than a cool little story by Paxton, which I'm sure John will tell us.
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Um, what's the story, John?
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Jon: No, I think, you got it.
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There's really seemingly no significance to it being named Otis.
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Kearns: Not in the story, but I, I thought you'd have this.
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Paxton, when he was scoping out, shots, he found a homeless man Otis and he
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was chanced upon him and he named the acts after him to give a grounding
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and meaning so that he could remember, or that it would make it easier
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for him to put personality on it, I
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Ryan: That's cool.
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Kearns: failed to do.
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It doesn't feel as though that is living, that's not a mule near
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style thing that they've got there.
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To me, throughout the movie, it's just an ax.
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It's an ax with a cool name that makes it kind of fun.
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But I don't feel like it has a, it's not a character in the film to me.
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and I think that's what he
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Ryan: I think
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Kearns: to do with it.
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Ryan: he did with the illumination of light pouring down through
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the ceiling to illuminate it and to let it glisten for a second.
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He did try, but it just, it doesn't click like that.
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I did like the name though.
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Good old Otis
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Kearns: I mean, who doesn't trust Otis?
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Otis has to be a good guy.
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Um, but I did want to
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Ryan: always.
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Kearns: we got too far in because that's an, that's an important factor early on.
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Jon: I think another important factor is I. The age difference
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in the boys how they grew up.
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They're three years apart, it's a significant gap in that mom
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dies in childbirth with Adam.
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Ryan: Yeah,
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Jon: So Fenton is sort of, he's got a couple years for mom to imprint
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on him and, you know, probably pick up a little bit of mom.
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you know, dad's a little crazy, so, you know, it's, you know, he's
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Ryan: keep an eye on them.
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Jon: okay.
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He's not bad, but he's, you know, he is a little off sometimes.
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So he's, he sort of, PI has the to have picked up the skepticism about his father,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Jon: whereas Adam is just, that's all he's known.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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And he loves his dad implicitly throughout the movie.
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Never questions him.
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it seems a little rattled at times, but nothing like Fenton
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when they're killing people.
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Ryan: No
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Kearns: and dear listeners, if you have not seen the movie, now is the
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time to stop and go see the movie.
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Ryan: spoilers.
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Kearns: how much blood gets on their hands while their dad's doing this stuff.
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They're not just killing these guys
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Ryan: Oh yeah.
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Kearns: They're also chopping them up then burying them together in the rose garden.
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Jon: Yep.
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Ryan: All, all for God's hand.
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Kearns: Yep.
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Ryan: for God's hand.
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Kearns: It's it's wild, crazy, kooky stuff.
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Jon: I think it's sort of interesting that Doyle is investigating a
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serial killer that isn't necessarily these early killings for sure,
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and maybe not later either.
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He seems to almost be investigating a different killer, which is later
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revealed to be the other boy, but
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Kearns: Well, yeah.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Kearns: just do it now.
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Let's just do it now.
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So before
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Kearns: far, there's a switch at the end of the movie where there's a big reveal.
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We find out that Kaiser Soce is Kevin Spacey, no, we find out that
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the McConaughey's character is not Fenton as he's been portraying himself
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and actually does a good job with the movie, with this little trick.
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It does put you on your back foot right at the end and it makes it hit harder.
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But it's actually Adam.
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the reason why we brought up that streaming services, screw this up
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for everybody, is if you pause it on Amazon, it says Matthew McConaughey
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and then the character's name underneath him and you're like, oh,
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Jon: mm-hmm.
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Ryan: See, I am glad I didn't pause the movie.
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Kearns: it,
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Ryan: That's all I'm gonna say.
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Jon: it's the same with IMDB.
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It just straight out says Matthew McConaughey as Adam.
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And you know, I'm not sure that there's another way to do that.
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Kearns: brother.
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News news.
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Older blank brother, younger blank brother.
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I forget the last name right now.
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I just watched the movie today, Meeks.
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That's right.
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It's another great name.
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And the meek shown here at the earth, by the way, it's,
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there's good stuff here, there.
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It's not in your face and it's not significant, but it's there.
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They have that stuff.
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Um,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: yeah.
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Yeah, we get that twist.
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Adam is actually McConaughey.
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All right.
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Now we can go back to.
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To what John was saying so that everybody's on the same page.
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The Kaiser Soce stuff.
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No, wait, no, we were before that.
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Jon: Yeah.
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I mean he,
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Fenton, Adam Matthew McConaughey is giving.
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Doyle details of the killings, the initial killings, the 1979 killings with his dad,
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while also sort of indicating that his brother is the serial killer that he's
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looking for while Matthew McConaughey seems to be a continuing dad's work
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in a different string killings.
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Am I picking that up right?
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Kearns: Yeah.
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One is
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Ryan: Yes, yes.
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Kearns: of the trauma as some serial killers are created and one is actually
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believing that he is a divine harbinger of doom for demons and evil beliefs.
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Jon: And
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Ryan: Yes.
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Jon: the, the other thing to sort of get on the table now is I think part
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of why Matthew McConaughey has gone to the FBI with this story is Fenton is
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dead at the beginning of the movie, and
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Ryan: Okay.
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Committed, uh, suicide.
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Jon: and Matthew McConaughey's Adam has stolen the body and taken it
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and buried it in the rose garden
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: stolen part.
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Jon: stolen
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Which, so it's everything about the beginning of this
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discussion is suspicious they,
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Jon: y.
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Kearns: even the guy leaving the other FBI agent was like, you're good for me to go.
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He's like, yeah, don't worry.
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Just leave me alone with this guy.
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Everything will work out.
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And then he takes him for a nice ride in the car.
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but before we get to that, we continue through the 1979 era
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of the killings and stuff.
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And you watch, a really cool thing happen with Fenton's character.
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So he rebels against his father, is not into this, doesn't believe in it.
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The Adam claims to see the demons in the visions himself, doesn't
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understand Fenton's point at all.
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He's like, no, dad's right?
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What are you talking about?
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Fenton's the odd man out here.
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and he eventually decides, screw this, they got a kid.
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well, no, first he, he rebels.
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And the dad finally says, you know what?
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I gotta plan for you.
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And he starts having him dig, and he makes him
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: the death dungeon that they end up putting their shed on
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top of, which is pretty baller.
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And the kid, to his credit, Fenton's a tough guy.
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he like wounds his hands outta spite while he does the digging.
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And he completes the dig that.
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kind of a baller
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Ryan: I felt this, I,
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Kearns: it on my terms.
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Ryan: I felt this pain with those blisters.
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I was like, just take the gloves.
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But I'm like, I understand what you're doing, but shit, man.
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Like, and the, the special effects in that, in this movie are pretty well done.
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'cause looking at those blisters, I was like, those, those look real.
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I feel you
19:01
Jon: they're uncomfortable looking.
19:03
Kearns: Yeah.
19:04
And they're
19:04
Ryan: very,
19:05
Kearns: spots
19:05
Ryan: much so.
19:06
Kearns: pad.
19:06
This pad and right over here, right where the
19:08
Ryan: Mm-hmm.
19:09
Kearns: B, B,
19:09
Jon: Yep.
19:10
Kearns: B. Anybody split
19:11
Ryan: Just,
19:11
Kearns: long periods of times with them all and didn't do it right?
19:14
Like I have, you'll know what that's like.
19:17
Blisters are fun.
19:18
So he goes through that.
19:19
they have sort of a, little bit of, together a little bit after that,
19:25
but Fenton continues to be surly
19:28
Jon: Yeah.
19:28
Ryan: yes.
19:30
Kearns: then.
19:31
Jon: sort of becomes compliant but not believing.
19:35
Kearns: Right.
19:35
And he's still pissed and he's given a lot of attitude.
19:39
then the kid, well, they go out and they pick up a guy they're
19:43
downstairs ready to do it, and Fenton finally says like, I can't do this.
19:46
And he, he flees up the stairs and out of the death dungeon.
19:50
and at that point he runs to the sheriff just getting ready to
19:54
go bass fishing up by the lake.
19:56
It's just up late at night getting ready to go bass fishing.
19:59
And he is kind of a prick.
20:01
one of those, oops, you shouldn't have been such a
20:02
prick pricks, like a decent guy.
20:05
You can tell.
20:06
Um, the Fenton town.
20:09
Jon: Not a bad guy, but also not a guy that is used to listening to
20:14
children and you know, sort of dealing with what he sees as a child's fable.
20:21
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
20:22
Which, I mean, everybody, the FBI agent does too, while McConaughey is like 23.
20:28
The actor's character is like 23 in this movie, is doing the same thing,
20:33
getting the same kind of treatment.
20:34
Fenton brings the sheriff, the sheriff's, like I'm telling your dad.
20:37
So they go Paxton's, putting on his best treatment.
20:39
The look he gives him though, when he looks at Fenton and he is
20:42
like, are you ready to do this?
20:43
Or whatever he says when they're about to go down to the shed.
20:47
sheriff
20:47
Ryan: It is so
20:48
Kearns: let's just
20:48
Ryan: eerie.
20:49
Jon: Mm-hmm.
20:51
Ryan: So eerie.
20:52
His eyes just when they shift, you know, I've like, I've never seen Henry Portrait
20:57
of a serial killer, but I've watched the trailer a couple times and I know it's a
21:03
worse film than frailty, but like it gave me that vibe that Michael Rucker vibes
21:07
But yeah, I feel like his shift of eyes and Bill Paxton, I
21:12
mean, you see him in aliens.
21:14
He's very energetic.
21:15
You see him in Tombstone.
21:18
He's very cool.
21:19
Uh, he was a very, um, versatile actor.
21:23
And it shows really well in this, especially like that shift of being
21:27
a country bumpkin friendly to I'm gonna wield an ax and kill you.
21:31
And that's what it leads to when Fenton leads the sheriff down to the
21:37
cellar and Bill acts as him to death, and he's like, you made me do this.
21:45
I killed a, this is the line I killed.
21:48
A human, not a demon.
21:50
Look at what you made me do.
21:53
Kearns: Yeah, it was cool.
21:54
Ryan: so sick.
21:55
Jon: This task had come with the warning that if they don't obey, someone will die.
22:01
Kearns: Then that's what he had said.
22:02
And he didn't want to tell Fenton that fact earlier in the movie.
22:06
That's the unspoken thing that, he was trying to keep from Fenton.
22:11
He, I always thought that it was implied that he was told that Fenton would
22:14
lead him to killing like a prophecy.
22:17
But I don't think it was that dark.
22:18
I don't think that the angel that spoke to him was, trying to
22:21
Ryan: Oh,
22:22
Kearns: that, now
22:23
Ryan: the angel wanted him, the angel wanted him to kill
22:27
Fenton, and he disagrees with it.
22:29
Kearns: Yeah, that's later.
22:30
Ryan: Was that later?
22:31
Oh,
22:31
Kearns: Yeah.
22:32
Ryan: said spoiler, so
22:33
Kearns: so
22:33
Ryan: it's not right.
22:34
Kearns: is that later or No, that might actually be before.
22:37
Jon: later.
22:37
It's a, it's a bit later, but not much
22:40
Ryan: It,
22:41
Kearns: Yeah,
22:41
Ryan: it's after the sheriff.
22:43
Jon: yeah, Fenton gets locked in the
22:46
Kearns: Before that, I do wanna point out the sheriff is killed in a different
22:49
way than the demons are, which is important I think, and a nice touch.
22:53
just kills him like a dude.
22:54
He doesn't behead him first.
22:56
He acts as him on the top of the head to get him down the stairs again.
22:59
And then he just finishes him off the demons.
23:01
It's always beheading first he says.
23:04
And then there's more to it that we never really flush out, I like
23:09
Ryan: Well, he chops them up.
23:10
Jon: yeah.
23:10
We just know that you just assume by what you see, that he chops them up.
23:15
Kearns: I did wanna point out really quickly that important aspect of it.
23:18
And then now we have the lockup scene.
23:21
This is the most disturbing scene in the movie for me as a
23:23
Ryan: Yes.
23:24
Kearns: a kid, it was the most disturbing scene in the movie for me.
23:27
It's just messed up.
23:29
Jon: Yeah.
23:29
Fenton is locked in the dungeon below the shed without food,
23:34
with a glass of water a day.
23:39
Kearns: They send him on a vision
23:40
Ryan: Yep.
23:40
Kearns: basically sweat lodging it
23:42
Ryan: Yeah.
23:42
Jon: yep,
23:42
Kearns: and that it will make you hallucinate.
23:45
and I think it's weeks before he, if he needs to eats food again.
23:48
But one of the nice
23:49
Ryan: Yep.
23:50
Kearns: to that, by the way, is when they nail the doors shut,
23:52
when, the dad nails the door shut.
23:55
That's my favorite touch there.
23:57
then when he has to open it, you have to, you hear him pulling the nails out time
24:01
with the back, with the claw, the hammer.
24:03
I just love that, that makes it grittier.
24:05
And Adam brings Fenton water and talks to him a little bit while he is down there
24:09
Jon: Mm-hmm.
24:10
Kearns: and f
24:11
Jon: And
24:11
Kearns: some.
24:11
Jon: a really, at that point, you understand that Dad now views Fenton
24:16
as a demon, but he can't bring himself.
24:20
To destroy the demon because he is not killing demons, he's destroying demons
24:26
Kearns: Right.
24:26
Good
24:27
Ryan: Yeah.
24:27
Kearns: Good point.
24:28
With the language
24:29
Jon: it's, I think that's an important distinction in where his brain is now at.
24:34
Kearns: and the fact that he didn't, and it was prophesized later, we know Fenton
24:38
goes on to become a serial killer collects trophies and does all these things.
24:42
So Paxton
24:44
Ryan: Yeah,
24:44
Kearns: killing his own son in that way is kind of led to the deaths of those people.
24:49
and may have been why his downfall was allowed as well, but I can't
24:55
be sure if that's, if that can be, you know, actually stated.
24:59
And then Fenton, tricky little booger that he is, he, he passes out that might
25:04
not have been fake, but he passes out and he tells his dad when he wakes up.
25:07
I, so, God, I so God, daddy.
25:09
Ryan: Yeah.
25:10
Kearns: Unbelievable.
25:11
Jon: who, who knows at that point what he actually thinks he's seeing and
25:16
what he's not seeing and what he, yeah.
25:18
He's
25:18
Ryan: I think he was playing them like a fiddle.
25:20
Kearns: I know what he's tired of seeing as his own poop in a bucket.
25:23
So he is like, I'm doing something to get outta this damn hole.
25:25
Ryan: Exactly.
25:26
Kearns: he could've hallucinated in that.
25:28
'cause that is exactly how you do that trick.
25:30
he gets out, he gets a hungry man dinner, which I was jealous of
25:33
when I was watching that scene.
25:35
It, the, in the tin tray, the old school, like real food, no preservatives.
25:39
Ryan: Yep.
25:39
Kearns: that would've been, that would've slapped.
25:41
got his taters, his carrots, his meatloaf.
25:45
and he's wolfing it down.
25:46
He would've puked like six seconds later, if he hadn't eaten for weeks.
25:49
And he ate that that fast, the way.
25:52
But, he gets out and then the whole family's ready to get in the van,
25:56
which is a sick van, by the way, for abducting and murdering people.
25:59
Get in the van and off
26:01
Ryan: Yeah.
26:01
Kearns: take out another guy who's heading to Walmart.
26:04
Not really.
26:04
I forget the name of the store.
26:06
and that's where they get this creepy old bastard
26:09
Ryan: Yep.
26:09
They get the old guy who, um, he's not doing nice things to children.
26:14
We'll just leave it at that and allegedly,
26:18
Kearns: blur.
26:20
And I mean, well the thing that makes him stop is like, Hey little
26:23
boy, what are you doing over here?
26:25
He doesn't say it that creepy, but later if I,
26:27
Jon: but at the same time, he's also crouched looking underneath his car, so
26:32
Kearns: yeah, it's like,
26:34
Jon: he's set up to be kind of creepy.
26:37
Kearns: yeah.
26:38
Ryan: yeah,
26:39
Kearns: He's like, my cat's
26:40
Ryan: well, gets a lead pipe.
26:41
Kearns: gets thumped.
26:42
Yep.
26:43
uh, the Otis comes soon thereafter, I think
26:47
Ryan: I just love how Bill, bill Paxton puts his hand on his bald head.
26:52
He's just like,
26:54
Kearns: uh, uh,
26:55
Ryan: it's like
26:55
Kearns: probably the cheesiest part.
26:57
They probably shouldn't have gone full Paxton with those scenes.
27:00
He was like, oh, like he's holding onto an electric cable.
27:03
Jon: Paxton
27:04
Kearns: No, definitely not.
27:05
Uh, he said, game
27:06
Ryan: game over.
27:08
Game over.
27:09
Kearns: coming.
27:10
Uh, then the next one, so let's just jump ahead.
27:12
'cause the movie's pretty static at that point.
27:14
We get to the next guy that they're recording and Adam, I mean, um, Fenton
27:18
is supposed to, yeah, he's a brag too.
27:22
Fenton is supposed
27:23
Ryan: Yeah.
27:24
Kearns: be, be a much bigger part of this.
27:27
This is like him training now.
27:29
Ryan: he's like.
27:29
Jon: Fenton's proving ground coming of a coming out party.
27:33
You know, whatever you want to call it.
27:35
is supposed to be fenton's kill to prove that the time
27:40
in the cellar has changed him.
27:43
Ryan: Yep.
27:44
Kearns: and they get him, Fenton screws up a little bit,
27:46
causes a nut, a bolt to drop.
27:48
And then.
27:49
Brad looks up just in time to see coming down with the lead pipe, and he manages
27:55
to hit him with the tire iron first.
27:57
But then Fenton comes in the clutch.
27:59
I think he hits him with a wrench or something, bings him in the head,
28:01
and then Paxton is able to finish the job and they get him in the van.
28:04
Jon: that moment, it's not a long moment, but it's in that moment
28:08
you think that Fenton has come around to Dad and God's plan.
28:12
Kearns: And they do a
28:13
Ryan: Yes.
28:13
Kearns: guy, this demon too, because this dude was a, he was
28:16
a scumbag from the fight to jump.
28:18
He'd be like, oh, he should
28:19
Ryan: Oh, yes.
28:21
Kearns: He like calls his wife a bitch right away.
28:22
He is like, shut up bitch.
28:27
Ryan: Kid crying in the background.
28:29
Kearns: Yeah.
28:29
He just goes to zero to a thousand so fast.
28:33
you interrupted my wife, Pete, what do you want out here?
28:37
And then he brings him.
28:38
Yeah, they bring him home.
28:40
And Fenton's standing there with the axe looking badass and.
28:44
Paxton touches his head, gets the 4 1 1.
28:46
He is like, oh yeah, this dude needs to die.
28:48
And he stands back and says it kind of like that too.
28:50
Like this guy was
28:51
Ryan: Yeah.
28:52
Kearns: rest kind of deal.
28:54
and then Fenton goes and takes a swing and
28:56
Ryan: Oh, that's a large swing.
28:58
It no,
29:00
Kearns: doesn't hit and
29:01
Ryan: it it's good old dad Right in actually right here, right in the heart.
29:07
Kearns: Tough place to
29:08
Ryan: I mean, you,
29:09
Kearns: ax wound.
29:11
Ryan: you know, bill, pat, you, that's a another thing.
29:13
You see Bill Pax and you know he's gonna die or piss his pants.
29:17
Either way,
29:18
Kearns: didn't remember
29:18
Ryan: you know.
29:19
Kearns: the rewatch.
29:20
I thought that he died like accidentally.
29:22
And the boys, just carried on.
29:23
Like I didn't remember the end of the movie at all really, except for the end.
29:27
Jon: Yeah.
29:28
I remembered him dying later in life at the hands of both boys for some reason.
29:36
Kearns: I,
29:36
Ryan: Ooh, that would've been cool.
29:38
Kearns: things.
29:39
Jon: Yeah.
29:40
Kearns: I've seen frailty patched 'cause I had the hot box back then,
29:45
so I saw it like eight times just running around on pay-per-view
29:48
on my house over and over again.
29:52
shut up.
29:52
Feds can't get me now.
29:53
I don't have it on me, but
29:56
Ryan: The hot box doesn't exist.
29:59
Kearns: He explains to, um, agent Doy that he's, he was in separate
30:05
orphanages with his brother.
30:07
Um,
30:08
Jon: one, one more.
30:09
Little bit.
30:10
In dad's death, you get
30:13
Kearns: oh yeah.
30:13
Jon: Adam taking the ax.
30:16
Kearns: Yeah.
30:16
I
30:17
Ryan: was cool.
30:17
Scene.
30:18
Kearns: Yeah, he
30:18
Ryan: Just him.
30:19
Kearns: the scumbag doesn't live.
30:21
Jon: No,
30:22
Ryan: No,
30:23
Jon: no.
30:24
Ryan: he whispers to Adam
30:25
Kearns: Kill this son, bitch.
30:27
Ryan: that basically, I think that's how that went.
30:29
And then he's like running like a little Chucky doll.
30:32
Kearns: He, he
30:33
Ryan: That's all I was thinking about.
30:34
Kearns: pound.
30:35
Those things are heavy for a kid his size.
30:38
Jon: Mm-hmm.
30:39
Ryan: That
30:39
Kearns: It's got the
30:40
Ryan: definitely a prop.
30:41
Kearns: for the extra grip on the drop.
30:42
That sucker's main Otis is no joke.
30:46
Mean looking ax,
30:47
Ryan: old Otis.
30:48
Kearns: double-edged too.
30:49
he's in it now.
30:50
Adam has his first kill of a demon, and, Fenton and Adam are split.
30:57
They just say, oh yeah, they buried the dad.
30:59
They never tell anybody what happened.
31:01
They just say, daddy didn't come home.
31:02
Nobody has any reason to search the yard look around.
31:06
So nobody checks the rose garden or anything like that.
31:11
what the weird part is the property presumably stays Fenton and Adams
31:16
actually, is odd for minors.
31:20
You would think that somebody would take control of the
31:22
Ryan: Yeah,
31:22
Kearns: it off these days.
31:24
just hold it.
31:25
Ryan: I don't think,
31:26
Jon: Yeah,
31:27
Ryan: I don't think the rose guard was a part of their property.
31:29
I think it was just behind their property.
31:32
'cause they said that was their way to cut through.
31:34
So I think that was like
31:36
Jon: I believe the
31:37
Ryan: I,
31:38
Jon: was the Rose Garden caretaker's house
31:41
Kearns: Um, it.
31:43
Jon: And then they ca dad came into possession of the house.
31:48
Kearns: Got it.
31:49
Alright.
31:50
Ryan: Well.
31:52
Jon: but there's still no reason to check the rose garden for
31:55
whatever reason, because a missing sheriff isn't enough to do it.
31:58
A guy, they abducted directly
32:00
Kearns: Right.
32:01
Jon: home.
32:02
His home isn't enough to do it.
32:05
Kearns: has like 60 people and uh, eight of them have just recently
32:09
gone missing, but it, it's fine.
32:11
Jon: Yeah.
32:12
Ryan: That's all right.
32:12
We'll replace them.
32:13
Kearns: we have to come back to the rose garden at the end because they
32:15
do something silly for visual effect.
32:17
But it's like, dude,
32:19
Ryan: Are you,
32:20
Kearns: mounds
32:20
Ryan: because, yeah, that's because earlier in the film, you're digging
32:26
these deep 10 foot holes and then what did you, did you get lazy?
32:30
Adam Fenton,
32:33
Kearns: had 'em.
32:33
Ryan: whoever you are.
32:35
Were you lazy?
32:36
Jon: a twist that comes with that character also
32:39
Kearns: though.
32:39
Jon: that explains why he can be sloppier
32:44
Kearns: That's true too.
32:45
All right, let's get to that.
32:46
'cause
32:46
Ryan: Yeah.
32:46
Kearns: just tied it all together in my head.
32:48
So let's do it for the listener.
32:49
So we get McConaughey's like, all right.
32:51
Alright, shithead, let's leave, let's go out to the property.
32:54
I'm gonna show you that all this is true and they get outside and
32:58
McConaughey is looking real weird and creepy at this point, but so.
33:03
what's the agent's name again?
33:04
Powers, boots.
33:04
Character.
33:05
Jon: Doyle.
33:06
Kearns: Yeah.
33:07
Doyle.
33:07
Throws of the handcuffs.
33:08
He goes, put those on or we're gonna put 'em on for you, kind of thing.
33:11
And I was like, oh, okay.
33:12
Here we go.
33:13
Big swinging dick time they get in the car and they drive.
33:16
They're doing a bit more chatting.
33:17
We get a little bit more flashback and then McConaughey's like,
33:20
Ryan: Yeah.
33:20
Kearns: of talking and they just finish driving through the rain.
33:23
That's why a lot of people remember this movie and the movie identity in a
33:27
similar way because of all the rain, all the rain at the end and the darkness.
33:32
Isn't that interesting?
33:33
Ryan: John
33:34
Kearns: rains throughout the whole movie.
33:35
Yeah.
33:36
Um, there are
33:37
Ryan: Oh yeah.
33:38
The
33:38
Kearns: these movies for that reason.
33:40
Isn't that cool?
33:41
Jon: they, they came out about the same time,
33:44
Kearns: Oh, I
33:44
Ryan: yes.
33:45
Kearns: loved identity when it came out.
33:46
And another one of those bait and switch movies right of that time.
33:52
That's cool.
33:53
I'm glad we managed to pull that out 'cause I didn't
33:55
connect that before the podcast.
33:56
Jon: he gets Doyle out to the Rose Garden and,
34:00
Ryan: Yep.
34:00
Jon: you know, does, sees Doyle's past and Doyle's a bad guy and he's on
34:07
Ryan: He killed his mom.
34:08
Jon: he's a demon.
34:11
Ryan: He killed his mom,
34:12
Kearns: he killed
34:13
Ryan: took a photo with her.
34:15
Kearns: killed the shit out of his mom.
34:17
Ryan: He stabbed the shit out of her.
34:19
And two days after taking a nice, beautiful photo with him.
34:22
Kearns: her once, and then on the
34:23
Ryan: E.
34:24
Kearns: as she's falling to her knees and like all of this area
34:27
is exposed, when they do this
34:28
Ryan: Yep.
34:28
Kearns: it, it screws me up.
34:30
took that big ass knife and he slid it straight down right here on her, like
34:36
right behind all the nice armoring bones and into her jiggly bits.
34:41
I was like,
34:41
Jon: Yep.
34:42
Kearns: no.
34:44
Mrs. Power's booth?
34:45
No, she was just folding the laundry.
34:49
Ryan: Mrs. Doyle, it was probably his laundry.
34:51
You didn't use conditioner again
34:54
Kearns: It was outside too.
34:55
They made it even more wholesome.
34:56
His country mama.
34:58
so he kills her presumably for some nefarious reason.
35:01
It would've been nice to figure out why.
35:03
Um, but it's still a
35:06
Ryan: going with Money
35:07
Kearns: Yeah, she probably wanted the house or something.
35:10
Still a jerk move.
35:11
So he kills her with his stupid haircut too, that they gave him for that scene.
35:15
Ryan: Coach
35:16
Kearns: Isn't that great?
35:16
Can we pull up a picture for this part of the podcast of
35:18
his dumb ass hair when in the
35:20
Ryan: with Craig t Nelson,
35:22
Kearns: it.
35:22
I'll find it and email it.
35:24
Just so you don't have to do the extra work.
35:25
We need that in this scene.
35:27
Um,
35:28
Ryan: we need to compare with Craig t Nelson, definitely, because
35:31
that pullback is exactly the same.
35:34
It's just
35:36
Kearns: that's a lot.
35:37
Ryan: like
35:37
Kearns: I mean, it is,
35:38
Ryan: three stooges,
35:39
Kearns: you're just trying to
35:40
Ryan: Larry.
35:40
Fine.
35:41
Kearns: I was trying to, you're just like, uh, I don't wanna be fully bald yet,
35:47
Ryan: Just go with it.
35:49
Jon: yeah, so it's in this moment, is dead.
35:52
You realize, wait, that's not Fenton, that's Adam,
35:56
Kearns: so we've established that McConaughey was lying.
36:00
We didn't kill Doyle yet.
36:01
We killed Doyle's mom.
36:02
We didn't know about Doyle's death, right?
36:05
Jon: Yeah.
36:06
Kearns: Yeah.
36:09
yeah.
36:09
I just wanna make sure we don't skip over important stuff.
36:11
'cause it comes fast and furious from here and then
36:15
Ryan: Well, he, he, he makes a mistake because he says that like,
36:20
Fenton wants to be buried in the rose garden or, and that's when
36:25
Doyle's like, but you're Fenton.
36:27
Jon: Mm-hmm.
36:28
Kearns: Then we figure it
36:29
Ryan: he's like, well, I'm actually Adam.
36:31
And it's like, oh boy.
36:33
Jon: So here's my question though.
36:34
Is that a mistake or is that him playing with Doyle at that point
36:42
knowing that he's now in control of this situation and he can
36:45
Ryan: Oh that,
36:46
Jon: whatever he
36:47
Kearns: Oh
36:47
Jon: Is he, is he screwing with Doyle in that moment and just, oh, here,
36:53
Kearns: we do this, can we just, can we just go through with the presumed end
36:58
and then come back to the John theory?
36:59
'cause I don't want to confuse people too much that maybe you
37:01
have a rough memory of this movie like we did, before the rewatch.
37:05
So, alright, so Adam goes into the flashback, we find out it
37:09
is Adam, the younger brother who always believed in the father kills
37:13
Ryan: yeah.
37:14
Kearns: in his first kill when the father was killed and all that.
37:17
He has been seeing visions the whole time and actuality he believes it.
37:21
He sees them.
37:23
In this version of the, your perception, um, goes to discuss
37:28
Fenton is actually a serial killer.
37:30
We assume that he became a serial killer because of the trauma of having all these
37:34
things happen in front of him, which is a super smart move by God, by the way.
37:38
Great job not picking up on that GOD.
37:42
or the writer portraying GOD Sorry, big guy, please don't kill me.
37:45
So they go into that and Fenton's like sitting at his computer typewriter,
37:51
typing his manifesto to his brother.
37:53
He's got his weird shit all up on the wall.
37:55
It's perfect.
37:56
And he gets clubbed by the same lead pipe and then it cuts from there.
38:00
We don't know what hap like we don't get to see him kill
38:01
his brother, which is nice.
38:02
I would rather not kills Fenton, buries him in the rose garden, and then takes
38:07
all the bodies out of Fenton's basement or some of them, not all of them, 'cause some
38:12
of them were there when the FBI arrived and he, he stages it very, very precisely
38:17
so that the FBI will see what he wants them to see when they go into the house.
38:21
Then he goes to the station or he goes to the headquarters, tells,
38:25
Doyle and goes through the motions with this, bringing him to the
38:29
rose garden for the final showdown.
38:31
The weirdest thing about this is he's being held at gunpoint and he comes
38:34
in to hit him in the head because he's, Adam starts talking about the
38:39
murder of his mother, and this makes
38:41
Ryan: Yeah,
38:42
Kearns: and he's gonna use all of his forehead on this guy.
38:45
And he comes in and he's gonna club him in the head with the butt of the weapon.
38:48
And then Adam touches his hand to see for sure, so he can
38:53
see all the things he's done.
38:54
And we get to see what happened then.
38:56
And then Doyle just collapses to his knees.
38:59
Like, this is, there's Holy Novocaine or something in it, in
39:03
Ryan: he was in shock.
39:04
Kearns: Is that what it is?
39:05
Ryan: How did you know?
39:07
Kearns: he becomes so easy to subdue McConaughey is just like holding
39:11
him like this, this grown man.
39:16
That's the only part of the movie that I felt was like really kind of like,
39:20
Jon: yeah.
39:21
Ryan: Oh,
39:21
Jon: that, yeah.
39:23
Kearns: then we get the, fun ending of the movie where McConaughey's
39:27
character Adam, um, disarms him, gets the keys off him, kills him,
39:35
Ryan: yep.
39:36
Kearns: very, explains why the bodies are the way they are, buries him, and
39:38
then we get to see the ending, which I, I can let somebody else, I'll let
39:42
Ryan maybe talk about like what we find out about Adam finally at the very end.
39:46
Um, but one thing they
39:47
Ryan: Oh
39:48
Kearns: before this happens, I should say, is we do establish
39:51
in the movie early on that God is protecting them by Paxton says this.
39:55
So
39:55
Ryan: yes.
39:56
Kearns: footage of them can be viewed, no eyewitnesses will
39:59
remember what they look like.
40:01
And we think that's all bullshit.
40:03
then
40:03
Ryan: Mm-hmm.
40:03
Kearns: end of the movie, we find out all the video is completely,
40:08
uh, ruined and none of the people know what he looks like.
40:12
Jon: Mm-hmm.
40:12
Kearns: further
40:13
Ryan: Yeah,
40:13
Kearns: by what happens at the end.
40:14
Ryan,
40:15
Ryan: well, yeah.
40:16
I mean, you have Agent Hu he doesn't remember what a
40:19
Kearns: is
40:19
Ryan: like Adam's
40:21
Jon: Oh
40:21
Ryan: hole.
40:22
Kearns: Oh.
40:22
Oh ho.
40:24
Okay.
40:25
Ryan: That's hole.
40:26
Um,
40:26
Kearns: You sounded
40:27
Ryan: agent Hole.
40:27
Kearns: ho,
40:28
Ryan: No.
40:29
Kearns: ho,
40:30
Ryan: Hole.
40:31
It's, it's, remind me of Us
40:34
Jon: that sounds like it's completely something different
40:36
Kearns: ho.
40:37
Jon: 'cause that that last
40:38
Ryan: Hole.
40:39
Jon: sounded like Asian whole.
40:41
Kearns: Oh no.
40:45
Is it
40:45
Ryan: I'm thinking of Steel Panther right now.
40:48
That's all I'm thinking about.
40:49
Kearns: It's agent Hole.
40:51
All.
40:51
Ryan: Agent Hu um, agent Hu uh, doesn't remember what Adam looks like.
40:57
Um, the video's all scrambled.
40:59
You kinda see like maybe God's hand.
41:02
God has a. Part in all this.
41:05
Adam's doing all his work.
41:06
And then he goes to the sheriff's office to talk to him about Fon.
41:10
And uh, Adam comes out as the sheriff.
41:13
Kearns: Adam is the
41:14
Ryan: And you know,
41:15
Kearns: He's got a
41:15
Ryan: I immediately knew like that's where I was gonna go.
41:20
I immediately knew.
41:20
I was like, that
41:21
Kearns: for
41:22
Ryan: is definitely, Matthew is gonna be walking out.
41:25
And sure enough he walks out, he's like, sweet as humble pie.
41:29
He like sweet talks him, he gets him out.
41:31
And it's interesting 'cause at the end he shakes his hand and he's
41:36
like, you're a good man, agent Hu.
41:38
And it's like, he looks at him confused and he's like, you're a good man.
41:43
And basically God's work's gonna continue.
41:47
Or the God's hand is gonna continue 'cause that baby's not gonna be right in honor.
41:51
King of Hill.
41:52
Kearns: Yeah,
41:52
Ryan: King of the Hill, that boy ain't right.
41:55
Jon: Yeah.
41:56
Kearns: Bobby.
41:57
Jon: it's revealed that not only is Adam the sheriff, he's married and his
42:02
wife is pregnant, I take that handshake with hu a little bit differently
42:08
because that the look Hull gives him is almost like, like the slightest
42:15
bit of recognition at that moment.
42:17
Like, wait a minute,
42:20
Kearns: This probably feels like deja vu.
42:21
Jon: of know you.
42:23
Kearns: Yeah,
42:24
Ryan: Yeah.
42:24
Kearns: feels like deja vu.
42:25
and it could be that like he smells like shoe leather like Al McConaughey do or
42:29
something, and that's what's hitting him like from that night, maybe he couldn't
42:32
fully mask everything, but, that's how the movie ends, which is a great way
42:37
to do it because it leads the viewer to believe in McConaughey and Paxton
42:42
vindicating them, vilifying the character we rooted for, for the entire movie
42:47
Ryan: Yeah.
42:48
Kearns: And just, kind of wraps it up in a pretty bow until you become friends
42:52
with John who screws it all up for you because he's got a crazy theory.
42:55
So let's hear that one
42:56
Jon: Okay.
42:57
I see.
42:57
Ryan: No, I'm ready.
42:58
Jon: is that crazy.
42:59
Number one, I believe dad had visions.
43:03
Ryan: Okay.
43:04
Jon: like,
43:05
Ryan: agree with that.
43:05
Jon: I don't believe that they're, they were from God, I believe dad from the
43:09
stress of losing a wife, raising two boys.
43:12
It, you know, all those other things has had some sort of
43:15
mental break or dead has a tumor.
43:19
It's 1979.
43:20
Kearns: It is not,
43:21
Jon: caught that early.
43:22
Kearns: it's not Kakuma.
43:25
Jon: So
43:26
Ryan: But Mr. Kimball,
43:27
Kearns: do?
43:27
Jon: Dead.
43:28
See now
43:30
Ryan: Mr. Kimball.
43:32
Jon: Fenton never
43:33
Kearns: Ryan?
43:34
It's so disturbing.
43:35
I'm sorry, John.
43:36
Jon: It's okay.
43:38
F Fenton never sees anything,
43:41
Kearns: Yeah.
43:43
Jon: anything.
43:43
He's old
43:44
Kearns: Yeah.
43:45
Jon: not fall for dad's crap.
43:48
Adam, on the other hand, is in that young impressionable age,
43:52
and he, you know, idolizes dad.
43:57
we'll see and do whatever dad tells him.
43:59
And to the point, if you remember, there's a part in the movie where Adam
44:04
comes to dad with his own demon list
44:07
Kearns: I forgot
44:08
Ryan: Yep.
44:09
Jon: Yeah, they're so,
44:10
Ryan: from school?
44:11
Jon: dad, yeah.
44:11
Dad's
44:12
Kearns: To be his first hit list.
44:13
Jon: the kid that bullies you?
44:15
Isn't that the kid you don't like?
44:16
Isn't that like they, so they Adam's just putting together a hit list?
44:21
Kearns: Yeah.
44:22
Ryan: Yes.
44:23
Kearns: great.
44:23
Not a good look ahead of his
44:25
Ryan: No.
44:25
Kearns: but still not great.
44:27
I.
44:27
Jon: like, they, they give you that moment where you see the visions of the people
44:32
that dad killed, the demons that dad killed and the things that they had done.
44:37
You know, the old guy being bad with kids and the other stuff.
44:42
Like, only Adam ever sees that because Adam at that point is just
44:47
completely brainwashed by dad.
44:51
Ryan: Yeah,
44:51
Kearns: how do you explain the C-C-T-U-E footage and agent hole?
44:56
Jon: It, it
44:58
Kearns: He's got a hole in his head.
44:59
Ryan: that is true.
45:00
Jon: hus the hard one to explain, but remember what Adam's job is at that point.
45:08
Ryan: He's a sheriff.
45:09
Jon: He's a
45:09
Kearns: you think he screwed with the footage in the FBI building?
45:12
Jon: those those old CCTV cameras could be disrupted by signals
45:19
Kearns: Um.
45:20
Jon: that.
45:20
He's not walking
45:21
Ryan: Okay.
45:22
Jon: with a little disrupt thing to disrupt the camera feeds in his pocket.
45:26
Ryan: You don't think they searched them though?
45:28
Kearns: Those things were awful to like from the jump.
45:31
Those things were awful.
45:32
Like you ever put in an old copy of a VHS tape and try to watch it, could have had
45:37
Ryan: Static?
45:38
Jon: Yeah.
45:39
Ryan: Yeah.
45:39
Kearns: style.
45:42
Jon: and you don't know.
45:43
They could have been recording over tapes.
45:45
And the more you record over something on an old VHS tape, the more you get that
45:50
Kearns: Yeah.
45:51
Jon: blur.
45:52
And so, you know, and then Adam has, has a demon list because Adam's a sheriff.
45:59
Adam knows who the bad people are.
46:02
Kearns: Which is, I
46:03
Ryan: Yeah.
46:03
Kearns: this into the movie
46:05
Ryan: Okay.
46:05
Kearns: for people like John specifically, but I think they bake it in so that
46:09
the suspension of disbelief throughout the movie isn't completely wiped away.
46:15
you're, you get to the end and you could, you could choose to.
46:20
Oh, they're a who?
46:21
It's a holy warrior lineage.
46:23
And that's neat.
46:24
Like a Joan of Ark style story, which is really kind of what this feels like.
46:27
'cause that's the Joan of Ark story that you're getting for the whole
46:30
finding and destroying demons part.
46:32
But then you get on the other side, you get like kind of the reality of the
46:37
situation is psychologically speaking what saying holds a lot of water.
46:42
And if you get a David Blaine style guy, you can make Agent Hall think that he
46:46
saw Timon and Puma at the stupid thing.
46:49
You know, the power of suggestion.
46:51
It's
46:52
Ryan: Matata.
46:52
Kearns: boom.
46:53
Jon: So the one part that I really can can't explain directly is
46:58
where dad gets his list from.
47:02
Kearns: The phone
47:02
Ryan: Yeah,
47:03
Kearns: she seems just scrolling through the phone book.
47:05
Jon: But, you
47:06
Ryan: he is just guessing.
47:08
Jon: maybe actually hit on bad people.
47:12
'cause we don't even know that the people that, aside from Brad,
47:15
we don't know the people that he kills are actually bad people
47:18
Kearns: In one of the flashback, in one of the flashbacks, they
47:22
show us Adam's take prudent.
47:24
So admittedly Adam's take, but he is dragging the kid out of the car.
47:28
The the petter ass is doing that.
47:29
Jon: that's the only thing that we have that indicates that
47:32
those are actually bad people.
47:34
Kearns: And then the wife had slit the husband's throat to
47:37
Jon: yeah.
47:38
How does Dad come up with a list?
47:41
Kearns: holy guy though
47:43
Jon: dad's a
47:43
Ryan: The angel.
47:45
Jon: Everybody comes through a mechanic shop at some point
47:47
for one thing or another.
47:50
talk,
47:51
Kearns: a lazy
47:52
Jon: some
47:52
Kearns: mechanic too, he's taking naps under their cars.
47:54
Jon: Brad's the easiest one to figure out because like.
47:57
Kearns: He's a dick.
47:59
Jon: Yeah, he's just a,
47:59
Ryan: Yeah,
48:00
Jon: just openly a dick.
48:01
He does not hide what a bad person he is.
48:04
Kearns: Yeah,
48:05
Ryan: no, absolutely not.
48:06
Kearns: of us used to mask better.
48:10
Jon: I have this other stray theory going
48:12
Kearns: Oh God,
48:14
Jon: that I've been working on for the last day and a half.
48:18
Kearns: what is it said?
48:19
Jon: there was no Fenton by the end of the movie, even before Adam kills him.
48:24
Kearns: Really?
48:25
Jon: I think Adam killed him in the shed.
48:27
Kearns: Yeah, like a Mo Mother Bates sort of situation going
48:30
Ryan: Huh.
48:31
Kearns: he
48:31
Jon: I th
48:32
Kearns: up without his brother.
48:33
Jon: I think Fenton has been dead the whole time, and Adam has been,
48:37
has been doing all the killing.
48:39
Kearns: cool.
48:39
The other one I didn't like at all, but that
48:41
Ryan: Okay.
48:43
That one's a good one.
48:44
Kearns: Yeah, that's a good one.
48:45
John.
48:46
Way to way to
48:47
Ryan: That would,
48:48
Kearns: yourself in my eyes.
48:51
Ryan: that would give it such a deeper meaning.
48:53
Jon: And I think it works too because
48:58
you wanna appeal to an audience, the, um, as big an audience as
49:01
you can with a movie like this.
49:03
And if you, just at the end reveal that, it's all religion, you're
49:07
gonna tune people like me out.
49:09
Kearns: Yeah, true.
49:10
So you need to kind of, they
49:11
Ryan: Yeah.
49:11
Kearns: then because they put it on the scale and you gotta
49:14
figure out which side weighs more.
49:16
So that's a cool way to
49:17
Ryan: Yeah.
49:17
Kearns: really does.
49:17
The movie hits, and like Ryan was saying earlier, um, Robert, Robert Ebert,
49:23
Robert Ebert, uh, gave it four stars.
49:27
Um,
49:27
Ryan: Yep.
49:28
Kearns: was out to lunch that day, I guess.
49:30
Jon: uh,
49:31
Ryan: I was just Ebert who wrote the review.
49:33
Jon: by
49:33
Kearns: By 2002.
49:35
Ryan: Uh,
49:35
Kearns: It's passable.
49:37
Ryan: uh, I, I, I think he was, he, I think he was dead.
49:41
Kearns: Um,
49:42
Jon: have been
49:42
Ryan: but
49:42
Kearns: Ebert was always hard on horror movies.
49:44
This is how we ended up calling, we were starting on the open with it not being
49:48
a horror movie, was talking about this.
49:50
So
49:50
Ryan: yeah.
49:51
Kearns: on movies like this though.
49:53
Gave it four
49:53
Ryan: Yes.
49:54
Jon: Cisco died in 99, so he,
49:57
Kearns: Aw.
49:57
Jon: yeah, this was,
49:58
Ryan: So that's why it was a solo act,
50:00
Kearns: he heard Will Smith's, um, wild, wild West album and he was
50:04
like, I need to die immediately,
50:06
Ryan: the Wild, wild West.
50:07
Um, Ebert though said it was extraordinary work, concealing in its depth, not
50:13
only unexpected story turns, but also implications hidden at first that
50:17
make it even deeper and more sad.
50:20
Kearns: Agreed.
50:21
Ryan: He was, he was into sad films, so like this was up
50:24
his alley and it just worked.
50:27
It's like Silence the Lambs.
50:29
He loved that film for the sadness that it brought, not for Anthony Hopkins eating
50:34
a face and putting it over his face.
50:37
Um, but it does bring that I, felt bad for these kids.
50:43
It's just like what they went through and
50:46
Kearns: That's
50:46
Ryan: bad for this.
50:48
Well, you feel bad for the dad too because it's like he went through all
50:51
this, this crap in his life and he has a breakdown and this is his way out.
50:57
And especially at that time, no one really knew how to help
51:01
really in a situation like that.
51:03
It's like, oh, that's all, that's old Jerry.
51:05
He's just a screw nut.
51:07
It's okay.
51:07
But he fixed a mean car.
51:09
You know?
51:10
Kearns: Yeah.
51:11
Um, that's, that's pretty much, uh, how we land, frailty.
51:18
don't have much more on it.
51:19
Is there anything you guys wanna touch on before we roll into top fives?
51:23
Ryan: I loved it.
51:24
It was my first watch.
51:26
Um, reading reviews.
51:28
Some people like, except eBird and others, uh, some people wear a little sour on it.
51:35
Um, not a lot.
51:37
And,
51:37
Kearns: thought it was good.
51:39
Ryan: but that's the perfect piece for a film like this.
51:43
Jon: Yeah.
51:44
Kearns: I was just validating those idiots.
51:45
Jon: one.
51:46
Kearns: No, it's just a good movie.
51:47
It's a good movie.
51:47
Through and through.
51:49
Well
51:49
Ryan: Oh yeah.
51:50
And uh,
51:50
Kearns: jump is perfect.
51:51
They pick the right linoleum.
51:53
Ryan: yep.
51:53
Kearns: like the seventies in this movie you're watching it.
51:57
It's just good.
51:58
Kids got like the old seventies style basketball, um, Adam and that one
52:02
scene where they're playing ball, and I thought that was a nice touch.
52:04
It's just good movie.
52:05
The kids, the way they talk to each other are old school style.
52:10
the, you know what the most heartbreaking scene of this goddamn movie is, is when
52:13
Fenton's invited over to his buddy's house to have to have a good old time.
52:18
And dad's like,
52:19
Ryan: Yeah,
52:19
Kearns: go murder him tonight.
52:21
That, that seems sucks.
52:23
Jon: We have
52:23
Ryan: that did suck.
52:24
Jon: tonight.
52:25
Boy.
52:25
Kearns: Yeah.
52:26
It's like, that sucks, man.
52:27
Let the kid go.
52:29
Ryan: Change your plans.
52:30
Kearns: Yeah, but I digress.
52:33
so that's, frailty.
52:34
I love it.
52:35
It's one of my favorite movies.
52:36
Uh,
52:37
Ryan: Yep.
52:38
Kearns: has some top fives that are loosely related to the subject matter
52:42
in this movie, and it's all names.
52:44
Opioid based drugs that come up in movies like Fentanyl.
52:49
For Fentanyl.
52:50
Ryan: A hundred percent.
52:51
Kearns: your top
52:51
Ryan: Well actually my top five is top five movies with serial killers.
52:57
Kearns: I was way off.
52:59
Ryan: Yeah.
52:59
Um, honorary mention to natural born killers.
53:03
Uh, there's the cat.
53:07
Oh,
53:07
Jon: say hi lane.
53:10
Ryan: hi lane.
53:12
Kearns: I get licked and everything.
53:14
Ryan: Special guest star.
53:17
My guys are sleeping right now.
53:18
Thank God.
53:19
'cause they're wild.
53:21
Like this movie.
53:22
Starting off with top five, number five.
53:25
death proof.
53:26
Kearns: Oh.
53:26
Ryan: It's a crazy stuntman who goes on a crazy ride killing people.
53:31
And the ending where it's like a 45 minute chase scene through the desert is amazing.
53:37
And it's tarantino's only horror film, or it's considered horror.
53:42
I consider it horror like that b movie Thriller Grindhouse
53:47
and Kurt Russell stuntman Mike.
53:50
It's just phenomenal.
53:51
number four, I gotta go with my guy, um, Vincent Rio, the Cell.
53:59
As a kid, I did love it.
54:00
And it's like, I originally loved it for Jennifer Lopez,
54:04
you know, but as I get older,
54:08
Kearns: as she
54:08
Ryan: huh?
54:09
Kearns: Let's talk about her as she gets older.
54:12
Ryan: Well, as I got older, I, I found out it wasn't my love for Jennifer Lopez,
54:16
it was my love for Vincent Donofrio.
54:18
'cause he kills it in that movie
54:20
Kearns: It's a great
54:20
Ryan: and it's just.
54:22
It is good.
54:23
It's um, it was a sleeper 'cause I think it was right after she did Gigi, right?
54:30
With Ben Affleck.
54:31
Jon: Ly.
54:31
Ryan: Oh God.
54:32
Kearns: whatever it
54:33
Ryan: See,
54:33
Jon: Yeah.
54:34
Ryan: that's why it's,
54:35
Kearns: cell didn't hit initially.
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I think it did better at like Blockbuster.
54:39
Jon: Yeah,
54:40
Ryan: yes,
54:40
Jon: so too.
54:41
Yeah.
54:43
Ryan: I remember the cutout and, um, my dad taking me to Blockbuster
54:47
and I was looking at it and he was like, come on, I'm looking at movies.
54:50
I think he rented it and he got a kick out of it.
54:53
But I remember that big cutout right there and I was like,
54:57
this is, this looks pretty cool,
54:58
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
54:59
Ryan: but I'm gonna say this.
55:01
There's a better cutout and it's my number three and that's
55:06
the cutout for American Psycho.
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Kearns: That's a good one.
55:08
I.
55:08
Ryan: That's my number three.
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Oh God.
55:11
I, since high school introduced into it in high school, uh, freshman year, I. Uh,
55:17
Christian Bale, Willam, Defoe, jar Leto.
55:20
There's so many great scenes and the question is, is did
55:24
he really kill those people?
55:26
But I mean, we can answer that for another day because number two is
55:32
the original psycho Alfred Hitchcock.
55:35
Norman Bates is a serial killer, you know, even though he is a mother, um, he's
55:42
just, he's killing people left and right.
55:44
And he's kind of like, I guess the start, the start of early slasher
55:49
inspiration as well as like the first serial killer to be depicted on screen.
55:55
'cause his character was also based on Ed Keen,
55:58
Kearns: Yeah,
55:59
Ryan: I believe, at least for some stories.
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Um, Texas Chainsaw definitely made.
56:04
Kearns: based on ing really.
56:06
Ryan: Yeah,
56:08
Kearns: But
56:08
Ryan: yeah.
56:08
True.
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Kearns: the big batty when it comes to scary serial killers who creep through
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the darkness and don't smile at you in
56:15
Ryan: Got it.
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It, you know, hearing, real quick, hearing his story.
56:20
Uh, when I took forensics in high school, we covered serial
56:23
killers for the second part.
56:25
And, uh, he's, he's, he's a fucked up dude.
56:28
I mean, they're all fucked up, but he was, he was really fucked up.
56:31
Kearns: That's why he's the
56:31
Ryan: Just
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Kearns: one.
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Ryan: say it.
56:33
Kearns: A lot of people think like, well they do John Wayne Gacy and all
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them, ever watch a Long Came Spider, it's a good movie that runs through
56:40
Sigourney Weaver's character, runs through all the serial killers in a fun way.
56:43
She get to, she kind of gives them personalities that may
56:46
or may not actually be true.
56:47
It's a fun way to differentiate them.
56:50
'cause she's talking about that while she's, I think it's a long kid spider.
56:53
I might be thinking of another newbie.
56:55
Jon: Was a copycat.
56:56
Kearns: Yeah.
56:56
Copycat, my bad
56:58
Ryan: Okay.
56:58
Kearns: with the,
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Ryan: I was gonna say Morgan Freeman.
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Kearns: and actor.
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Jon: thought, I thought the James Patterson shout out
57:04
was a little odd for you.
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I.
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Kearns: True.
57:07
I, I'm not a huge fan of James Patterson.
57:09
not an anti fan either.
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He is just not my cup today, so, yeah.
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Shoney Weaver's character does a good job in copycat giving us an idea of what
57:19
the different serial killers were like.
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Ed Geen, out of all of them, there's a couple other ones who are liking ge.
57:24
There's a reason why he's the inspiration for leather face and things like that.
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he's a fucked up guy.
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Ryan: he would sew the skin, he'd make upholstery.
57:33
I have the couches stuff.
57:34
Just a sick individual, but nothing is sicker.
57:38
If we go back to 1995, my number one film, it's our favorite film, Gwyneth Paltrow,
57:45
Kearns: Oh, I hope Brad gets cut
57:46
Ryan: Brad Pitt,
57:47
Kearns: Yes.
57:47
Ryan: Morgan Freeman,
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Kearns: in the
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Ryan: seven.
57:52
Jon: What's in
57:52
Ryan: like, it's so good.
57:54
What's in the,
57:55
Kearns: I just want a little
57:56
Ryan: what's in the.
57:57
Kearns: right here.
58:00
You know what's funny?
58:01
I have nothing against her.
58:02
It's just the fact that everybody else seems to hate her so much
58:05
and I just, I just love when she gets, she eats it in movies.
58:08
Ryan: So I'll say this, I, um, in high school, I was on the set of a movie.
58:13
I think we've talked about this.
58:14
Two lovers.
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I met Joaquin Phoenix.
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She was there.
58:17
She is, no, she's, she's not a pleasant person.
58:21
At least she wasn't pleasant that day.
58:23
And Joaquin Phoenix was phenomenal, but she, um, she was a real bitch.
58:28
Kearns: damn.
58:29
Ryan: it just was like, ah,
58:31
Kearns: of her
58:31
Ryan: like
58:31
Kearns: scented candles?
58:35
Ryan: she stormed off
58:37
Kearns: of the
58:37
Ryan: and.
58:38
Kearns: but it sounds the same.
58:39
Let your imaginations do the work for you.
58:43
Ryan: She, she stormed off set.
58:45
They had to stand in and it was just like waiting really all day as people walked
58:50
back and forth trying to set the stage.
58:52
And then they did like a couple scenes and then they were off.
58:56
It was cool to see them act live, but she was just really
58:59
like, it was just unflattering.
59:01
So yes, it was good that her head was in that damn box, but to go
59:06
back, um, like talk about frailty and the religious and all that.
59:12
Seven's got that.
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The seven deadly sins.
59:15
And if you've never seen seven, definitely watch seven.
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Kearns: Oh,
59:19
Ryan: It's an excellent film.
59:21
Kearns: Ryan, this is
59:22
Ryan: if we,
59:22
Kearns: top five of yours.
59:24
This is my favorite.
59:24
Top five of yours, buddy.
59:25
Ryan: why
59:27
Jon: No.
59:27
Ryan: thank you.
59:28
Jon: lambs.
59:28
Kearns: Yeah, he is a serial killer.
59:30
Ryan: That's, that's not a horror film.
59:33
I consider, I consider, I consider like, okay, so seven,
59:37
they consider a crime thriller.
59:39
Kearns: a little bit more.
59:39
Ryan.
59:40
Geez, John.
59:41
Ryan: I
59:44
ibel.
59:45
It's, it's not, it's a drama.
59:47
Seven is more of a horror film because of what?
59:50
Okay.
59:51
So Hannibal Lecter, eating faces and cannibalism.
59:54
Kearns: be
59:54
Ryan: a drama.
59:55
Kearns: I'm just making a
59:56
Ryan: Oh.
59:57
Uh,
59:58
Kearns: you're
59:58
Ryan: just saying, I'm just saying, saying, but, oh,
1:00:03
Kearns: can
1:00:03
Jon: We,
1:00:03
Ryan: uh, it's so good.
1:00:05
Jon: have to get, I am.
1:00:07
We have to get, Henry Porter was a serial killer for you.
1:00:11
'cause I
1:00:12
Ryan: It's,
1:00:13
Jon: want to see where that winds up on your list.
1:00:17
Ryan: it's been on, um.
1:00:20
Oh, it's, I've seen clips, I've seen the trailer.
1:00:23
It's always been like, I wanna see it, but it's like when you read about it and
1:00:28
Michael Rucker is just an amazing actor.
1:00:31
I love him.
1:00:31
And he goes to a dark place and him with hair is even more menacing than him.
1:00:37
Bald getting a chocolate pretzel, you know, it's just,
1:00:44
Kearns: That means
1:00:45
Ryan: but
1:00:45
Kearns: Um, let's move on to John.
1:00:48
Stop five because I'm going to a dark place right now.
1:00:52
Jon: All right.
1:00:53
My top
1:00:53
Ryan: dark chocolate pretzel.
1:00:56
Jon: pretty unpredictable.
1:00:58
Kearns: Yeah.
1:00:58
So he asked us to predict it.
1:01:00
I forgot what I, I came up with, but it was dumb.
1:01:02
Ryan: I went Bill Paxton.
1:01:04
Kearns: I
1:01:04
Ryan: It's like Bill Paxton.
1:01:07
Yeah.
1:01:08
Jon: you were closer,
1:01:10
Kearns: Well, I wasn't,
1:01:11
Jon: but not there.
1:01:12
Kearns: um, uh, let's do movies.
1:01:15
Jon: closer,
1:01:16
Kearns: without chicks in 'em, because this one's a pretty pretty don heavy film.
1:01:21
Jon: this is
1:01:22
Ryan: What about the nurse?
1:01:23
Jon: pretty testosterone.
1:01:24
Kearns: Nurse, secretary.
1:01:26
Killer.
1:01:26
Killer lady.
1:01:28
Jon: yeah, there's not all, not a lot of women, not, not a lot of
1:01:32
lines for women in frailty either.
1:01:34
Kearns: no.
1:01:37
Your job is to be pregnant.
1:01:40
Jon: I
1:01:40
Kearns: So
1:01:40
Jon: top five Dazed and confused cast members in horror movies.
1:01:46
Ryan: I'm cool with that.
1:01:47
Kearns: Booth's character was the Dazed and Confused in this one.
1:01:51
Ryan: Matthew mcc?
1:01:53
Kearns: Oh, duh.
1:01:54
From actual Dazed and Confused.
1:01:57
right.
1:01:58
That was pretty good.
1:01:59
Jon: these two, these two caveats on there.
1:02:02
Kearns: I would've gotten that if I wasn't dying.
1:02:04
Jon: on here for Texas Chainsaw Massacre because I pretty
1:02:08
sure I gave that one already.
1:02:09
Kearns: Yeah, you did.
1:02:10
Jon: And,
1:02:11
Ryan: Yes.
1:02:11
Next generation.
1:02:12
Jon: Yep.
1:02:13
And I left Nikki Kat off the list for Planet Terror 'cause I'm pretty
1:02:18
sure I gave that already also.
1:02:20
Kearns: Okay.
1:02:22
Ryan: Uh, yes,
1:02:23
Kearns: Fair.
1:02:24
Jon: So my number five is Mileage Jovovich in the entire Resident Evil franchise.
1:02:32
Kearns: Fair.
1:02:33
Ryan: I'll take it.
1:02:34
Jon: So she's Michelle Burrows in Dazed and Confused, the
1:02:37
guitar playing stoner chick.
1:02:40
Kearns: She's like,
1:02:40
Ryan: Yep,
1:02:41
Kearns: she's crazy hot.
1:02:43
Jon: Yeah,
1:02:44
Kearns: about her in that movie is just
1:02:45
Ryan: yep.
1:02:45
Kearns: hot.
1:02:46
When I was younger, I should say, now I'm like old.
1:02:49
But
1:02:50
Jon: yeah.
1:02:51
Yeah.
1:02:51
She would
1:02:52
Ryan: And they cut out a lot of our.
1:02:55
Jon: yeah.
1:02:55
Kearns: she, I couldn't speak well
1:02:58
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:02:58
Kearns: then.
1:02:59
Yeah.
1:02:59
Jon: She, she goes on to be Alice in the franchise based on video games.
1:03:04
And, you know, they're fine.
1:03:07
They don't quite capture the video games, but they're fine.
1:03:12
Kearns: They, they are phones.
1:03:13
Ryan: Yeah, you're fine.
1:03:14
Kearns: than the animated ones.
1:03:16
Jon: my number four, it seems like it's out of Orion Playbook,
1:03:22
is Parker Posey in Scream three.
1:03:27
Ryan: Yes.
1:03:28
With the cameo by Jay and Silent Bob.
1:03:31
Jon: she's Darla and Dazed and Confused.
1:03:33
A senior who
1:03:35
Ryan: Yeah.
1:03:35
Jon: the freshman hazing, just a little too much air raid freshman.
1:03:43
Kearns: That's
1:03:43
Ryan: So when they give the The Bies Right.
1:03:45
And the powder.
1:03:46
It's such a messy scene.
1:03:47
Then they bring 'em through the car wash.
1:03:49
Kearns: She plays
1:03:50
Ryan: Yeah.
1:03:50
Kearns: so well.
1:03:51
Ryan: Flip over Bacon.
1:03:53
Jon: yep.
1:03:54
Um,
1:03:55
Ryan: have to watch this movie now tonight, John.
1:03:58
Jon: yeah, you should in
1:04:01
Ryan: Dayson Confused.
1:04:03
Jon: and, um, she portrays Gail Weathers in, stab the movie.
1:04:07
Within the movie I.
1:04:08
Kearns: Yeah,
1:04:09
Ryan: Yep.
1:04:10
Jon: And
1:04:11
Kearns: a bitch.
1:04:12
Jon: Fair is much less well than Gale Weather does.
1:04:15
Kearns: Yeah.
1:04:16
Ryan: Well, don't forget, she also dates Dewey.
1:04:19
Jon: Yeah.
1:04:19
Kearns: want to do Dewey, but, um, all right.
1:04:23
I'm curious about is, is no
1:04:27
Jon: three,
1:04:28
Kearns: Uhhuh.
1:04:29
Jon: Ben Affleck Phantoms.
1:04:33
Kearns: You
1:04:34
Ryan: All right.
1:04:34
Kearns: an
1:04:35
Ryan: I was thinking about that.
1:04:35
Kearns: movie that is an
1:04:37
Ryan: Yes.
1:04:37
Kearns: so the book Phantoms is superior to the movie Phantoms, but not by much.
1:04:42
It's just a, it flushes it out a little bit more.
1:04:45
Kons.
1:04:46
I told you guys, I love old school Konts.
1:04:48
Phantoms is like the end of good old school coons, so it's pretty much
1:04:50
when it stops, demonize and stuff came after, but it's like right there.
1:04:54
That movie is done well for how fast the movie is and stuff.
1:04:59
It's like, it's hard to get that right and they, they nailed it.
1:05:04
Jon: yep.
1:05:04
So.
1:05:06
In Dazing Confused, he's Fred O'Bannon, a senior who is even
1:05:12
more into the hazing ritual than Darla, to the point where he got
1:05:16
Ryan: Yeah,
1:05:16
Jon: held back so he could do it again.
1:05:20
Ryan: because he was that stupid.
1:05:22
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:05:23
And in Phantoms, he's the sheriff helping to fight off the evil entity.
1:05:27
And
1:05:27
Ryan: Yeah.
1:05:28
Jon: I just have to say, Affleck you the bomb in phantoms, yo.
1:05:35
Kearns: Which one is that?
1:05:36
Jane style Pop.
1:05:37
Oh no.
1:05:37
Is that dogma
1:05:39
Ryan: Yeah.
1:05:39
Kearns: and.
1:05:39
Jon: I think
1:05:40
Ryan: Uh,
1:05:40
Jon: back I
1:05:41
Ryan: back.
1:05:42
Yeah, that strikes back.
1:05:43
Kearns: Yeah.
1:05:43
Jon: number
1:05:44
Ryan: forget Le
1:05:46
Jon: Go ahead.
1:05:48
Ryan: I was gonna say, don't forget, leave Schreiber's in that movie,
1:05:50
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:05:51
Ryan: young Leave Schreiber.
1:05:52
Jon: Yep.
1:05:52
Ryan: Sorry.
1:05:53
Jon: Yep.
1:05:53
Ryan: I'm a Leave Schreiber guy.
1:05:54
Jon: tonight.
1:05:55
Ryan: I.
1:05:55
Kearns: Yeah.
1:05:56
Phantom's.
1:05:56
He's
1:05:57
Ryan: I'll tell you this.
1:05:59
I got it as a double feature real quick with the faculty.
1:06:02
Never saw it, watched it one night.
1:06:06
It's a good film.
1:06:07
Check it out.
1:06:08
Kearns: They do a better job with the faculty style vibe than Phantom's leave.
1:06:12
Striver does.
1:06:12
Anyway.
1:06:14
The not untrustworthy, uh, compromised adults phantoms.
1:06:18
Very good.
1:06:20
He's got a great line too.
1:06:21
I forgot his one liner from, from Phantoms that he has when he is already screwed up.
1:06:25
It's good though.
1:06:27
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:06:28
Kearns: Alright.
1:06:29
Jon: number two is Rory Cochran in Antlers.
1:06:34
Kearns: nice.
1:06:36
Jon: So you're not gonna remember Rory Cochran by name.
1:06:40
You're gonna remember the Dazed and Confused character
1:06:43
because he has every great line.
1:06:46
He's the
1:06:48
Kearns: union.
1:06:48
Jon: s Stoner
1:06:49
Kearns: Yeah.
1:06:49
He's the
1:06:50
Jon: Observationalist.
1:06:52
every great man,
1:06:54
Kearns: The guy who's in the room.
1:06:56
There's the dude in, he's the dude in the bedroom, and they all get caught smoking
1:06:59
weed and they can't party at the kid's
1:07:01
Ryan: Okay.
1:07:02
Kearns: Yeah.
1:07:02
He's like
1:07:03
Ryan: He's the,
1:07:03
Kearns: is the stoner friend who became a career pot smoker in high school.
1:07:08
He's that guy.
1:07:09
He's the one who's like, he's not going to college.
1:07:11
He's not, he's not doing any of that stuff.
1:07:14
Ryan: he wears the hat, the entire film.
1:07:16
Right.
1:07:17
Jon: Yeah.
1:07:17
Kearns: he's,
1:07:17
Ryan: Okay.
1:07:19
And he asked, he asked the, uh, okay.
1:07:21
Know who you're talking about.
1:07:22
He's, he's a great character in that film.
1:07:25
Jon: So in antlers, he's a police officer trying to help a teacher and a
1:07:32
sheriff save a boy from a, a creature and antlers, despite having that Disney tag
1:07:39
to it, I thought was really, really good
1:07:43
Kearns: Was
1:07:43
Ryan: Okay.
1:07:44
Jon: they, there was some effective scares in there.
1:07:46
it's a good movie
1:07:47
Kearns: Yeah.
1:07:48
Ryan: Write that down.
1:07:50
Jon: will make Ryan happy.
1:07:52
I. Number one, Adam Goldberg in the prophecy.
1:07:56
Kearns: Oh, nice.
1:07:58
Jon: So dazed and confused.
1:07:59
He's big mouth.
1:08:00
Mike spends a, a whole lot of time complaining, and then he starts a
1:08:05
fight that he knows he can't win.
1:08:08
Just hoping that it'll get broken up before he gets his ass kicked.
1:08:12
Ryan: He should have just smoked the reefer.
1:08:15
Kearns: yeah, it doesn't, I mean, it's a solid theory.
1:08:18
It's just everybody was drunk and high and we're like, oh, cool.
1:08:20
Fight.
1:08:22
Nobody was stopping that.
1:08:24
Ryan: If, if he didn't make the comment, it would've been fine.
1:08:26
But he's like, oh, look at these dumb kids smoking reefer.
1:08:29
And he's like, what'd you say?
1:08:30
Kearns: Yeah,
1:08:31
Ryan: I'm almost outta beer.
1:08:33
I'm almost outta cigarettes.
1:08:34
I'm almost outta smoke.
1:08:36
I'm gonna kick your ass.
1:08:37
Basically.
1:08:37
I'm like, oh, Jesus.
1:08:39
Kearns: he's got that
1:08:40
Ryan: But he's got the, he gets that balls though, and he, he throws the
1:08:44
first punch, his idea of I'll throw the first punch and then run away.
1:08:49
Kearns: it did not work out.
1:08:50
He got his ass.
1:08:51
Jon: They never go more than a couple punches because people break it up.
1:08:55
Ryan: Yeah.
1:08:57
Jon: And who does he punch?
1:08:59
That's Nikki Kat.
1:09:01
Ryan: Yep.
1:09:03
Kearns: All right.
1:09:03
Good deal.
1:09:05
Jon: So in, just to wrap it up, in, in the prophecy, he's, uh,
1:09:08
Gabriel's assistant, human assistant.
1:09:12
Kearns: Okay.
1:09:13
He's familiar.
1:09:15
Ryan: Yep.
1:09:15
Kearns: He's vampire.
1:09:16
Familiar.
1:09:17
Jon: that's the top five
1:09:19
Kearns: All right guys,
1:09:20
Ryan: That's a good top five.
1:09:22
Kearns: That was a good top five.
1:09:23
I'm dying inside.
1:09:25
So we're gonna end the episode.
1:09:26
I hope you guys enjoy this one later, everybody.
1:09:29
Ryan: Have a good night.