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EDP50: Cam Myers, Cole Hocker & Nicki Hiltz light up Millrose Games / Sam Ruthe's Wild Mile / Marugame Half marathon / Crazy London Marathon Elite fields / Eoin debuts indoors · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast, episode 50,
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  The Big Half Century, which means we're actually 2 episodes
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  away from our first birthday, given we've done one each week.
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  Episode 52 will be the one year anniversary.
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  So we're closing in on the big birthday.
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  Let us know what what you want us to do for that.
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  Maybe we'll try and do a giveaway or do a cool little
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  special episode. Ask us anything.
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  Yeah, we'll try and change it up a bit.
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  Anyway, I am joined temporarily by just Owen Dean Dean's waiting
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  in the wings and he'll be with us shortly.
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  So whilst we wait, how are you getting on Owen fresh off your
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  indoor debut? Yeah, I'm good.
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  Pulled up a little bit sore from it, I think.
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  I definitely shocked the system by totally changing things up
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  and running the 1500. But no, super, super fun.
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  Like I was thinking like, why do people run marathons?
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  Like they're actually just torture.
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  Just run the shorter distance. It's way more fun, but no good
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  experience. And yeah, it was nice to run
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  indoor and the nice warmth rather than outside in a cold
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  mucky field. So yeah, no, it was a good
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  experience. Yeah.
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  So indoors is going to be theme of the week given some of the
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  results and you're at your training week as well.
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  So looking forward to getting stuck into that.
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  Did it did it mean that you watched any of the professional
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  races any differently, having ran on the indoor track couple
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  of days prior? I feel like I sort of had like
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  more context of time. Like I didn't really know like,
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  you know, like obviously let's say 348 mile is super, super
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  fast, but it's only when you like run it and see how far off
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  it you are, you're like, shit, these boys are these boys are
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  moving. And like even the indoor, like
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  it's totally different. Like after my race, I was like
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  coughing up along, like, I don't know why, but it's like
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  breathing in the air. It makes it really like actually
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  hurts your chest and like running the banks, it's it's
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  actually totally, totally different.
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  And tactics really come into play because it's really, really
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  hard to pass. And so, no, yeah, definitely
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  looked at these races from like a different viewpoint.
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  So would they have had like the heating on in there then, you
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  reckon, because it was so cold outside?
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  I don't, I don't. They probably have like a
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  temperature regulator, but because like there's so many
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  people like in the actual like indoor arena, like it's just,
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  it's going to be warm as it is. There's like 2 main ones in
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  Ireland. There's the one that lone that
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  Iran on the weekend. And then there's another one,
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  the NIA in Blanchardstown, the national indoor arena.
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  And apparently the NIA one in Dublin is like worse for your
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  chest, more humid. But yeah, I don't really, I
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  don't think they've air con in Ireland being real.
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  They just have radiators to make places warm.
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  All right then how this episode's going to look is we've
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  got results coming at you from all angles.
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  We've got a top international half marathon which went down in
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  Maragami, small fishing town in Japan.
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  There was indoor meets all over the US and the UK and Ireland
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  clearly main ones being the Mill Rose Games and some results
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  coming from the John Terrier Classic 2.
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  Then we've got some news about London Marathon released, their
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  elite fields, we'll have training weeks, hopefully
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  YouTube Diaries and I've definitely got a double trouble
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  in reserve if no one else gets there in time.
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  So whilst we wait for Dean, we'll save the results and we'll
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  hear about how Owen got on in his race.
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  Right, I'll do the whole week leading up to it.
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  So it wasn't like an A race. This race it's sort of just like
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  again, shock the system do something different.
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  And so I didn't really taper for so on Monday I don't 60 minutes
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  and I'm sort of dealing with this sort of like ankle nagle at
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  the moment. So I it was pretty it was pretty
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  sore after this run. So I didn't run Monday evening.
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  I went to dishonor to get some heat into it instead.
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  And yeah, I was sort of debating on like nearly like calling my
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  season there because like, is it actually worth like running
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  through this pain because Monday was sore.
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  Went to dishonor Tuesday. I had planned to do 2 sessions.
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  So the first one was 2 by 15 minutes off, 5 minute jog.
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  And I done this on the treadmill inside because there was like
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  serious floods in Ireland. Like on my way, I normally get
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  up at 5:00 in the morning and head into head into a gym And
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  that's like close to where I work And on the way in, like I
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  fair enough. I heard like the rain during the
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  night, but I was like, oh, it's just raining.
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  Like it can't be that bad. But some meant to rain fell.
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  So like on my way to the gym, I was like driving.
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  I was, I live in the country. So driving down these country
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  roads, there's like puddles normally.
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  So I drove to a puddle and it just wasn't ending.
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  It was literally like a river on the road and then like I was
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  halfway through it and like the big, a big construction cone
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  just like floats by me and I'm like shit.
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  So I put the car into reverse to try and reverse it and it wasn't
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  going back. So like shit, I've committed now
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  I have to go through. So I kept on driving and just
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  literally fought on the clutch and raved the engine and I got
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  through it and I was like shit, that's bad.
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  And then like I sort of hit a main Rd. but everyone was
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  driving sort of like in the middle of the road because all
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  of the verges were flooded. And yeah, so like I sent a
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  message into like the work chat saying guys, I'd, I'd recommend
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  not coming in. It's it's super super wet
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  outside like. But that I've been pitch black
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  as well. Oh yeah, pitch black.
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  That's why I got a shock with the first flood I seen because I
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  was only got my little one and then.
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  All of a sudden you've got walls to come in through your window.
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  I say if I open the door, water nearly would have came in.
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  Yeah. And then I was getting into like
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  the city or the town where I work, and there was another big
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  flood. And I was like, I went through 1
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  already. I might as well go through
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  another one. And a Beamer.
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  So BMW was just gone through it and it stopped halfway through.
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  It like broke down. The engine got flooded with
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  water. I don't know.
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  So I had to help him push his car out.
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  And then I was like, no, I'm not going through.
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  That Said, I'm like, don't you turn?
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  And eventually made my way to the gym.
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  So you pull, you pulled over and you were in there, Uncle Dave
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  helping him out. Yeah.
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  This is on the way to do your session.
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  This is like 5:45 in the morning.
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  Oh my God. Yeah, not idea.
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  What are people in work thinking about the fact that you're up at
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  5:00 AM? Because like, that's pretty
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  normal in Australia with the early morning culture and stuff,
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  but not so much UK and Ireland, is it?
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  Like they wouldn't go off 5. And when he got going I felt
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  good, my ankle felt good. It was really weird.
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  So I ended up doing the first 15 minutes.
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  I don't trust this treadmill by the way, just putting out there
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  the 1st 15 minutes at three O 5 and the 2nd 15 at like 3 minute
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  kilometer pace and yeah, felt good.
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  Cooled down then and then came back to the gym that evening and
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  done 6 by 5 minute reps of one minute recovery.
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  So similar again around that three minute kilometer pace,
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  maybe dipped into like the 258 or something like that.
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  But again, ankle felt perfect. It's like that day I think I
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  nearly covered like 32 kilometers and the ankle felt
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  really good, Which is really weird because on Monday I was
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  nearly pulling the pin on my like indoor season and I was
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  like, no, it's not worth it. Wednesday I went to the gym
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  again, done 30 minutes on the elliptical, and then I hopped
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  across the treadmill and I done 45 minutes on the treadmill.
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  And then that evening, I'd done my circus class.
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  On that like day after the double session days, now is your
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  body like kind of fully adjusted to that?
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  You don't feel like wiped out. Obviously you're tired, but not.
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  Not totally wiped out. And if I, if I am a tiny bit
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  sore, let me just hop on the elliptical.
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  Like it's pretty much the same like purpose of like if I'm
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  jogging, I'm going to be jogging like relatively easy anyway.
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  So it's basically just get the heart off to around 1:30 or
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  something like that and I get the same sort of stimulus.
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  Just keep like sticking over really.
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  Then on Thursday, Oh yeah, Thursday had an absolute
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  nightmare. So again, went to the treadmill,
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  it, the session was like 75 minutes, but the first 55 was
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  easy and then a 20 minute pickup at the end and umm, yeah, from
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  the 1st 55 on the treadmill. And I'd literally done every
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  single run this week on the treadmill.
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  So like, oh, I want to get outside and run outside.
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  And I sort of when I was on the treadmill, I was on Google Maps
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  and I sort of like measured out a loop that looked pretty good.
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  It was like 3.2 kilometers around the gym.
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  And I was like, yeah, perfect. Got outside and I swear the road
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  leading it's just like a big like 1 kilometer strip the road
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  until you turn and it's genuine like a wind tunnel.
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  It's running into the biggest ugliest headwind I've ever
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  experienced. I was like fuck so anyway.
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  Didn't realize that before you stepped out.
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  No, because I only ever like, get out of the car and I'm like
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  straight into the gym. Whereas you've gone the road.
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  It's actually just like, it's like a wind tunnel.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. And so yeah, anyway, I kept on
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  going, made a turn and didn't have like 4 flights of stairs to
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  jump down. So pause the watch because it
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  was, it was still a little bit wet and slippy.
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  So pause the watch, plotted down the stairs, took another left
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  because it's like a square and got going again, wind in the
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  face this time, uphill as well, up a big mass of hell.
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  I was like I couldn't not have actually picked the worst route
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  if I tried so. Probably right up there because
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  you're like fumin anyway. Yeah, I was angry.
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  Actually. No, it wasn't that bad.
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  It was a sort of annoying. I couldn't get it up either.
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  It was weird because I had to stop going down the stairs and
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  yeah, it was just a disaster. And I don't know, I kept on
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  turning, I kept on getting a headwind, so whatever.
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  Yeah, just not good. So anyway, I don't know,
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  outside, I think I average like 318 for like the 20 minutes.
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  So just literally take the box, get it done.
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  And that was Thursday. Then Thursday evening I do on a
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  little gym session, just sort of like a heavier left squats, dead
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  lifts and all that sort of shit. And Friday was like a pre race.
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  So just a 20 minute jog down to like a gravel track, which is
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  like close enough to my house. And and then I just don't 3 by
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  200 meters. And I was just trying to roll
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  these around like 30 ones 30s and just to try and get the legs
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  like moving. And then, yeah, came to come to
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  Saturday and so. How's that like little shakeout
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  session feeling? You feeling pretty light and
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  springy or? No not too light and springy to
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  be honest. Like I'm like damn, paces feel
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  hard just for 200 meters, never mind like trying to hold that
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  for like like 4 minutes. So yeah, it didn't feel great,
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  but sort of expect like sometimes you feel really good
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  before I sometimes you feel like shit like so you can't really
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  read too much into it and. That's basically a full training
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  week up until that point now maybe like a little bit reduced.
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  No it's it's a full training week.
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  Sure so you don't like send 5 minutes on Thursday gym?
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  Like if I was leading to a race, I'll probably wouldn't even do
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  gym on the Thursday and Friday. I normally have it off so but I
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  always do a shake out the day before a race.
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  So yeah, it's probably more than what I normally would.
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  But yeah. So Saturday took me like where
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  the race was on. It was like an hour and a half
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  away. So get up pretty early, take the
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  Namio shot, get some food into me and then hit the road.
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  And then because you take the bicarb 2 hours outside the race
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  at the pool and the side of motorway, take my bike have keep
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  on going. Yeah, get it into arena and I'm
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  just doing my little warm up. So I just done a 10 minute jog
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  and then I don't to by like 90 seconds a threshold and just to
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  get like the blood going put like the legs pumping off 62nd
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  jog are. You allowed to go on the track
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  to do any of this. No.
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  So there's like an outdoor track beside the indoor arena.
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  So I don't all of that stuff on the outdoor track.
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  And then yeah, just a few strides and then, yeah, got in
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  and let Rep. So like there's it's sort of
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  this is sort of good practice for like nationals as well
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  because it's like a call room. And like you might think a call
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  room is much, but it's sort of like does throw everything a
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  little bit off because you have to be in the call room a certain
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  amount of time before the start. So you serve to plan your warm
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  up around that as well. And then just sitting in the
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  call room with the other lads like it's yeah, it's sort of
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  good to get good thing to get used to.
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  And you know who who the rest of the field are at this point,
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  Like familiar faces and names or not.
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  I knew one or two of the lads but I didn't know any other.
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  I only knew 1 the lads. Aaron because I would have went
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  to college with him and he was there.
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  So other than that, yeah I didn't really know anyone.
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  Didn't know what to expect but yeah.
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  So started the race. The person I go to get massage
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  off David, he used to be a 1500m runner back in the day and he's
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  like just get out hard, especially indoor track.
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  It's so hard to pass. Just get out hard and hold your
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  position. So that's what I know.
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  And I got out and there's only one loud ahead of me and yeah,
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  just sitting in second for like the first 7 laps, 1500 meters, 7
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  laps of the indoor track. So for the first like 4, I was,
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  we're just taking off 64 second laps.
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  Then I was feeling good. So going into like the third
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  last lap, I, I pushed it and your man went with me and yeah,
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  super, super tight. Sprint, what was your what was
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  your case split do you know? Haven't like you, I didn't get
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  any. Splits or anything, no.
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  There was definitely 60 fours for the 1st 900 meters and then
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  we would have picked it up again.
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  So I'm terrible, I'm not, so I'm going to try and add that up.
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  So yeah, my first ever like Sprint finish dip for the line
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  and it was to go on by .04 of a second him, but we take that
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  yeah, 356 now. It's pretty demoralizing when
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  you see like milers in America who have to run an extra 109
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  meters and they're running faster than that.
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  But no, it was good for my very first one and yeah, it was
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  really, really fun. Like I plan to do 1 outdoors now
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  at the start of May. That's sort of on my race IT
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  list. So yeah, be super excited
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  because I think outdoors might be.
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  Do people say outdoors is faster?
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  I don't really know. Depends on the weather as well.
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  And but yeah, no, really, really enjoyed it.
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  And like, it got me thinking like why?
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  Yeah. Why do people run marathons that
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  are like 3-4 hours of running? And like you have to do so much
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  training when you can just like, let RIP on an indoor track.
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  It's way more fun. Than they do one every six
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  months or something. Yeah, it's so much fun.
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  Well, Congrats on the win was I did see because you put is it
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  your rail or someone else's rail where you can see the finish on
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  it? That's that was my coaches
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  recording on its own. So, and you can see that you
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  depth for the line and so did the other guy as well, to be
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  fair, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, it was.
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  I think he's an 800 meter guy. He's around like 148 for 800
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  now. I don't watch APS in, but yeah,
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  so he, he's got a kick. So I literally just stuck the
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  arm out and done everything I got.
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  Yeah. Because like that form goes out
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  the window when you're running down the home straight.
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  You're literally just like pumping and trying to do
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  whatever you can to get across the line.
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  So the dip was conscientious as well, like you were deliberately
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  put your head down. Yeah, that probably shows that.
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  I mean obviously you're on the red line, but you clearly like
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  judge your effort well because if you completely blown out, so
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  you're like leaning back and just dying over the line on you
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  couldn't even lean forward anyway.
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  Yeah, probably have. So I did have a good experience
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  in the race. So like I could run another one
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  and I could pop what like 400 to go and I might have it
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  definitely will have a totally different experience.
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  So it's probably because I like time to perfection.
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  Like it probably couldn't went any better really.
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  Yeah, 356 is fast though. I know you compare yourself to
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  people internationally which fair enough but don't take
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  anything away from it. First first attempt and
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  destroying that sub 4 barrier which like a lot of sub subelate
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  people get caught up on for a while don't they?
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  Yeah, and I was looking at on the World Athletics profile.
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  So if it's a world of like surfer race or whatever, you get
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  H like race result is given a certain amount of points.
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  So I think that 356-1500 is worth more than a 1430 than
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  MY1435K, which is which I thought on my head is crazy
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  because I thought a 1430 would be more impressive than a 356.
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  But yeah, so whatever way they grade these races.
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  Yeah, well, exactly. That shows you how how good of a
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  run it is because we sometimes we use these World Athletics
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  points conversions to like make sense of professionals results,
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  like if they run a 3K and they're a 5K guy or whatever.
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  And we trust it in that sense. So we should trust it for you as
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  well. It's a good sign.
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  Yeah, it might be in the wrong event and I have to drop down.
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  Do an 800 now and see what happens.
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  Guys in armour watch out for the the finishing kick.
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  But a 1500 meters isn't really enough like stimulus for today.
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  So I got out and done like my second warm up and I had a
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  little session then. I don't M4 by 6 minutes off 90
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  seconds break. So yeah, tried to do these as
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  controlled as possible and yeah, I felt good for pretty good
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  doing them and just added more mileage for the day and then I
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  cooled down eventually just on 10 minute cool down because I
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  was a bit tired. They would have felt like jokes
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  in comparison to the speed you were running an hour or so
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  prior. Yeah, yeah.
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  But again, it's, I don't know, outdoors it was a bit windy and
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  all that sort of shit. You don't feel that great.
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  But like, yeah, adrenaline sort of got me through it.
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  I felt like my heart rate was pretty good as well.
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  So yeah, it wasn't too bad. What was it like LT1 intensity
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  or like tempo? Sort of LT1, yeah, I sort of, I
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  sort of had to pull it back a little bit just to stay on the
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  safe side. So I think I was hitting like
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  three O 5 for the 1st 2 reps and I probably was maybe pushing a
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  little bit. So we pulled it right back to
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  like three 20s or something because realistically it's going
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  to do me no good whatsoever. Like I probably could have held
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  in our three or fives for the whole thing, but I'm just going
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  to dig myself like she want to affect the recovery.
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  So there was no point whatsoever and like keep pushing it.
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  And yeah, don't mention on the cool down.
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  Then that evening I got out for a 40 minute jog.
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  I ran 8.8 K and 4:30 ones. And I actually wore the Nike
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  Romero Plus for the first time. Very, very nice shoe.
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  Nice Poppy. Yeah, like it.
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  I like it a lot. What colorway did you get?
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  Oh. I got this.
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  Like it's like a Navy with a green through it and then it's
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  like a Whitey sole. It's like your own eyes.
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  Oh yeah, seeing them, they're nice.
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  And then, yeah, that was. Saturday, by the way, are you on
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  board with it being colorway, not color wave or is it color
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  wave? I say colorway.
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  Yeah, same, but I've had both. Really.
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  Color wave. Very rogue.
• 21:10
  Also is that is that you rate your race warm up, warm up, race
• 21:16
  cool down, warm up post race session, cool down double in the
• 21:21
  evening. So I done a warm up race and
• 21:25
  then I didn't cool down. I don't like sort of another
• 21:28
  warm up session, cool down and then run again in the evening.
• 21:32
  Yeah. What was the total volume that
• 21:36
  day? Oh, actually it wasn't that big.
• 21:39
  I thought. I think it was like high 2026 to
• 21:42
  27 kilometers actually wasn't that big.
• 21:44
  You'd think it would be bigger, but no, it wasn't that big
• 21:47
  because the warm up and cool lens are only like 2K.
• 21:49
  It's only 10 minutes. I didn't really do the 15
• 21:51
  minutes. But yeah, it was the intensity
• 21:54
  for that race. Like again, shocked the body.
• 21:58
  And then Sunday I was meant to do 90 minutes were like after 70
• 22:03
  do a pickup. But my legs, like my calves are
• 22:08
  super tight after the race. So I said look, there's no point
• 22:13
  again. So I just done 90 minutes
• 22:14
  actually met up where Cormac Dalton, who we said we get
• 22:18
  Michelle on YouTube Diaries, ran with him and felt Marin, a few
• 22:20
  other lads operand Phoenix back. So 90 minutes up there with them
• 22:25
  boys. 21K4 seventeens for 128K for the week.
• 22:32
  So yeah, one more week. This week will be more like 5K
• 22:36
  specific paces and then yeah, roll the dice in our man.
• 22:41
  On rail, we shouldn't underestimate the race win as
• 22:44
  well. By the way, not not many people
• 22:45
  win races. Yeah, I was thinking like when
• 22:49
  you get to like, like them pros, I said like to Callum Elson and
• 22:52
  all them lads, like they actually rarely actually win a
• 22:55
  race anymore because they're in such the elite fields.
• 22:58
  So yeah, no, I shouldn't really take it for granted.
• 23:01
  It was good. Was there any any celebratory
• 23:04
  food afterwards? No, I went to after the race.
• 23:12
  So another girl I trained with Sarah, she was running at like
• 23:16
  2:00. So my race was earlier than
• 23:18
  hers. So me and Aiden, we went to get
• 23:21
  a sandwich and coffee in this just a little coffee place after
• 23:25
  the after my race. But I got this like Taco chicken
• 23:30
  sandwich and it was like on on a sourdough bread.
• 23:36
  But I don't know if you ever got this like when you eat the
• 23:37
  bread, it's sort of like cuts the roof of your mouth or like
• 23:40
  it. I know I was trying to fit too
• 23:43
  much in my mouth basically. And I probably should because it
• 23:46
  gave you the option to do like sandwich wrap or something else.
• 23:50
  I probably wouldn't bear on a wrap, a sort of rage.
• 23:53
  And I didn't get the wrap and said the sandwich.
• 23:55
  But I know it was nice. It was nice.
• 23:56
  It was a bit. It was a bit.
• 23:58
  Yeah, it was good. Yeah, especially if it's like a
• 24:00
  little bit toasted. It was rock hard.
• 24:03
  Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, approach, it got
• 24:06
  rapid. No, it was good.
• 24:07
  It was nice. Yeah, could be 128 K.
• 24:10
  So then now you is armor next weekend coming or two weeks?
• 24:15
  So it's actually a Thursday night.
• 24:17
  So it's not this Thursday coming, it's the following
• 24:19
  Thursday under lights. Shit.
• 24:22
  So that makes the taper process a little bit more complicated
• 24:26
  than usual because it's not your Monday to Sunday or Monday to
• 24:28
  Saturday week. No, yeah, it's different.
• 24:30
  So I'm sort of like on a different cycle now for the next
• 24:32
  couple of days. But yeah, my coach pass sort all
• 24:36
  that out. I just do what he tells me to
• 24:38
  do. But Cormac Dolphin is going to
• 24:40
  be doing him arm as well. So it's a stacked field again,
• 24:44
  Nick. Greg's should be doing it, I
• 24:47
  think. So assessments down to do it.
• 24:48
  So yeah, a few big guns there. So hang on the back.
• 24:54
  I think one of my club mates from Wallasey is got heading
• 24:57
  over as well or think he was planned to.
• 25:00
  Was it Joe? No.
• 25:02
  Yeah, Joe Bowden. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:04
  I was talking to Joe. He's actually telling me a few
• 25:06
  stories about you. Was he?
• 25:08
  I said I'd keep there. Badmouth and meal.
• 25:11
  Bit of what's his name? Dennis Rodman sort of attitude
• 25:14
  and urine that's. What he used to say, yeah,
• 25:19
  because I, because I turned up to this race once, like after
• 25:23
  getting in at 4:00 AM the night before and was like genuinely
• 25:27
  still a little bit tipsy on the start line.
• 25:30
  Yeah, he was saying that something's never changed.
• 25:34
  Except you're not just tipsy this time, you just rock up
• 25:35
  late. And sometimes it works.
• 25:37
  Somehow it works. No, just don't rock up.
• 25:41
  We've Rick. Somehow we've regressed from
• 25:43
  rocking up drunk. Ladies and gentlemen, Dean
• 25:45
  Menzies has joined the podcast to bring us back in line.
• 25:50
  You've just missed out on Owen's race.
• 25:52
  Sorry I'm late. Yeah, good.
• 25:54
  Good to have you. I upset I missed it.
• 26:00
  I I'll have to listen to it back but I understand it was over
• 26:05
  before you knew it. Hey.
• 26:07
  You, man, it was over quick. Like especially on like, you
• 26:12
  think the indoor causes 7 laps, you think it might drag, but
• 26:15
  it's over so, so quick. So I can only imagine, like on
• 26:18
  an outdoor track, you'd already have three and three quarter
• 26:19
  laps. But yeah, I can see how people
• 26:23
  love the event. It was really, really fun.
• 26:25
  That's cool. Right, where do we go now?
• 26:28
  I'll give a quick recap one server of my training whilst
• 26:31
  we're here and then we can get into the results.
• 26:35
  So I, I actually had believe it or not, my, because I use chorus
• 26:40
  and track it through the, the app is very good from like a
• 26:45
  user interface point of view in the data because I have the
• 26:47
  chorus heart rate monitor as well.
• 26:50
  And it track, I track my training load through the, the
• 26:55
  measure that they provide. And at the end of the week I was
• 26:57
  like, shit, that's actually quite a big week.
• 26:59
  So I was riding pretty much every day and ran every other
• 27:04
  day on four days how it fell and look back as my highest training
• 27:09
  load ever. Somehow it Trump's MY140K weeks
• 27:17
  from last year, which it's all accurate.
• 27:19
  Likes it's based off heart rate and time spent at heart rate.
• 27:23
  So I mean it goes to show that the the bike is getting some
• 27:26
  good intensity in there, so. That would make sense because
• 27:30
  what's your total active hours? Yeah, I think it was like 14,
• 27:36
  about 350K on the bike and then, I don't know, 35K running or
• 27:40
  something. Yeah, Ben Felton has gone mad
• 27:43
  and like adding that cycle and cross training into his into his
• 27:50
  training. He's actually, this could
• 27:52
  probably be you 2 Diaries. He's got a nice little series
• 27:55
  going. He's racing in Rotterdam, the
• 27:58
  marathon there. Before that he's doing Barcelona
• 28:01
  half in two weeks. So he's currently out in Spain
• 28:04
  where his coach, that Swedish guy Victor Schmags, he has that
• 28:09
  weird moustache. Yeah, he's out on shrine camp
• 28:13
  with him. So he's going to be posting
• 28:15
  weekly on his build up and he had a shot.
• 28:17
  He tried to get under 30 there in a race in Newcastle
• 28:21
  previously and he got like 30 O 6, so super, super fair.
• 28:25
  And I think his aim for Rotterdam, he's going to try and
• 28:28
  get under 220. So it'd be interesting to see
• 28:31
  how he goes. But he used to do like one 6170
• 28:34
  kilometers a week and now he just sits at 1:20 and then
• 28:37
  cycles like for three hours. So yeah, it's just free fitness.
• 28:44
  Even Jonathan Gould, I don't know if you had the interviewed
• 28:47
  Grant Fisher the other week and he was asking Fisher about the
• 28:50
  time he spent on the bike whilst he was injured.
• 28:52
  I mean, to be fair, Fisher does say like largely it was because
• 28:56
  of my injury and just to help with like decrease the load on
• 28:59
  my body. Both like, the best thing to get
• 29:04
  better at running is to run. That's what Fisher says.
• 29:07
  But yeah, goals highlighted the fact that like Keely Hodgkinson,
• 29:12
  Georgia Hunter Bell, Carl Hawker, like so many people,
• 29:15
  middle distance and distance people now are integrating the
• 29:18
  bike. So it does seem to be a bit of a
• 29:20
  theme. But yeah, specifically, I don't
• 29:24
  know, workout with the front runner triathlon lot on Thursday
• 29:27
  morning, which was good fun. Cardiac Hill, I don't know how
• 29:31
  long are the wraps up there? 3 minutes or so?
• 29:33
  Well, depends how good you are at cycling I guess.
• 29:36
  I'd say about 3 minutes, yeah, because were you doing the 45
• 29:40
  seconds on, 15 seconds off? No, I was just clinging on to
• 29:45
  Ali. The whole hill on, essentially.
• 29:53
  I think we got about 3, give or take, you know, three of those
• 29:57
  intervals, yeah. Yeah, OK, so that was a good
• 30:02
  morning. And then Saturday morning was
• 30:04
  like the grief long rides as well.
• 30:05
  I can't believe I'm recapping A cycling weekend, but that was
• 30:11
  fun. Got I feel like need to add a
• 30:13
  bit of colour to the the context of these rides.
• 30:17
  So like you, you rock up to a random cycling shop in a random
• 30:21
  suburb essentially, which looks like it just does cycling
• 30:25
  repairs and stuff. Like one of those shops.
• 30:27
  As a runner, you'd go past and pay 0 attention to little small
• 30:32
  one unit plot in the middle of nowhere with like some bikes in
• 30:35
  the window. And then all of a sudden at 6:00
• 30:37
  AM on a Saturday morning, there's about 30 to 40
• 30:40
  middle-aged fellas and a couple of women hanging hanging around
• 30:44
  outside of it. In Lycra.
• 30:47
  In Lycra. Yeah, all all the bikes worth
• 30:51
  about 10 grand. Their full outfits probably
• 30:54
  worth close to $1000, and they're all trying to see who's
• 30:58
  having the biggest midlife crisis.
• 31:02
  And then now they've got these injured runners just rolling up
• 31:06
  to the back of them and not really behaving, behaving
• 31:09
  appropriately. It was good fun because shit,
• 31:14
  for about 45 minutes I felt like I was redline and like clinging
• 31:19
  on and what it's like that intense that I'm not even
• 31:22
  looking at my watch. I'm just trying as hard as I
• 31:24
  can. And then I've eventually gave
• 31:26
  up, realized I'd been dropped and the pack had been blown
• 31:30
  apart. So whilst I was collecting my
• 31:36
  ego up off the floor and like plodding on, I then started to
• 31:40
  pick up another person, another person.
• 31:43
  And it was like a war zone. Everyone had just been
• 31:46
  disintegrated across all over Perth.
• 31:49
  So then eventually we ended up forming a chase pack.
• 31:53
  There's about eight of us and then we all started to roll the
• 31:57
  front through this chase pack and we ended up reattaching.
• 32:00
  So it was actually the moral of the story is never give up.
• 32:06
  Did you actually get back on? Yeah, and we must have got lucky
• 32:09
  with a few red lights or something, but we did get back
• 32:11
  on. Oh.
• 32:12
  That's Brill. Still there or did he have his
• 32:16
  run in at that point? Or was that still to come?
• 32:19
  Yes, I think your friend Andrew, he was the culprit for blowing
• 32:23
  the pack apart because me and him were spending most of the
• 32:26
  time at the back towards the start of this ride.
• 32:30
  And then there's there's a certain guy who rides like quite
• 32:34
  aggressively perhaps like sharp pulls in and out.
• 32:38
  Like sometimes when you overtake someone and then you come across
• 32:43
  in front of them, you obviously make sure there's plenty of room
• 32:45
  between yours and theirs tire so as to not cause an accident.
• 32:49
  But this guy seems to be a little bit unaware of his
• 32:52
  surroundings and he just takes a gamble or forces the person
• 32:56
  behind to like quickly get on the brakes.
• 32:59
  So we've done that anyway. Yourself.
• 33:02
  I've lived and learned now. So he'd done that to this guy
• 33:10
  and like put this fellow in the Gus.
• 33:12
  So basically, you know, like one of those little drain dips.
• 33:15
  So like he proper like slammed into that and Andrew, see, I
• 33:19
  think everyone who was behind seeing it and Andrew
• 33:22
  specifically then rode alongside the guy who kind of caused the
• 33:26
  trouble. And I don't know what he said,
• 33:28
  but I think he was just being like, what the hell, You've just
• 33:31
  almost like threw him off his bike and the guy guy told him to
• 33:36
  do 1 and said I'll deck. Yeah, Andrew got pissed off and
• 33:43
  went from the back of the pack to the front of the pack like a
• 33:46
  massive search. So then you know how it is,
• 33:48
  There's about 30 people, everyone's responding to each
• 33:51
  other. And then 5 minutes later
• 33:54
  everyone's found the limits of the the fitness and they're all
• 33:57
  everywhere. He did comment on the Strava.
• 34:00
  When I tried to tag him and blame him, he said I was just
• 34:03
  closing gaps and I said yeah, from the very back of the pack
• 34:06
  to the very front of the pack. You have stuck his fire a few
• 34:11
  Times Now. Either that or I've
• 34:15
  misinterpreted it and he was just trying to punish me, which
• 34:17
  if that was the case he did, did so punish me.
• 34:20
  There could be a full like. That one a couple of months ago.
• 34:23
  There could be a full, like, Netflix series on like, cycling
• 34:26
  groups. I feel like there's so much
• 34:28
  politics. So there's so much like carnage
• 34:30
  in it. There's so much like, I don't
• 34:32
  know. Yeah, I think we so funny.
• 34:35
  Like ego, it's a whole underground world, so.
• 34:38
  Much I got. Like more than running I think.
• 34:43
  Well after, after coffee afterwards, like in running, the
• 34:47
  most expensive thing you buy is a pair of super shoes for what
• 34:50
  like 3 or 400 dollars, £200, whatever it might be.
• 34:54
  And then after coffee afterwards, everyone sat there
• 34:56
  and they've got like these 10 gram bikes and there's there's
• 34:59
  about 30 or 40 of them just lying round.
• 35:02
  And someone made the point the other week, like, there's
• 35:05
  probably about $200,000 worth of KISS just like sat outside this
• 35:10
  coffee shop on a random Saturday morning and it's like, you can
• 35:15
  spend as much as you want. That's, that's the mad thing.
• 35:18
  But yeah, good training week. Sunday, I rode again and ran
• 35:22
  again. This time, perhaps stupidly, I
• 35:25
  ran in the midday heat because I can't really do any intensity
• 35:31
  with the runs in terms of like picking up the pace.
• 35:34
  So I was like, oh, I might as well just run in the heat and
• 35:36
  get my heart rate up that way. And it did work.
• 35:39
  It was, I was running like 430 fives.
• 35:42
  Every time I looked it was like 150.
• 35:43
  I was like, yeah, this is good. Did you mention to our when the
• 35:50
  hate that we're in at the minutes probably what touching
• 35:52
  40° the last couple of days? Yeah, I haven't actually rubbed
• 35:56
  his nose in it yet, but. I heard, I heard it's like
• 36:00
  carnage, True. All of Australia.
• 36:01
  It's like really, really warm. Is it?
• 36:03
  So the East Coast has copped the most of it.
• 36:07
  Like in terms of continuous days of hate.
• 36:09
  We've had it pretty, we've had it not too bad.
• 36:11
  But yeah, it's hit us a bit now. Yeah, last night I went for a
• 36:15
  walk, would have been close to 9 PM, 33°, just like what is going
• 36:20
  on. At 9:00 PM, boys, you need to
• 36:23
  ship some of that heat over here to us.
• 36:26
  Oh, like, it's just so sad over here at the moment.
• 36:29
  Like, I actually missed Australia for the first time.
• 36:32
  I was talking to Cormac Dalton on the long run and he was
• 36:36
  saying in my running career, this is the last time I'm
• 36:41
  spending a January in Ireland. It's just hard to comprehend how
• 36:46
  shit it is. It's dark, it's wet, it's cold.
• 36:51
  Like it's just, yeah, it's super, super shit.
• 36:56
  You don't realize how lucky you have it.
• 37:00
  And I didn't think, I didn't think we that bad come back.
• 37:02
  I'm like, oh, it's just a bit of rain.
• 37:04
  Like it's grand. It's not grand.
• 37:07
  It's really, really shit. And it's not fun.
• 37:09
  Like I just reminisce about that coastal run I used to do every
• 37:14
  morning along M Scarborough. Like I missed that place so
• 37:19
  much. Yeah, on your Friday when you
• 37:24
  when you used to bake, bake some bread, wander down, get a sauna.
• 37:29
  Literally meeting any Kennedy. Yeah, how times has changed.
• 37:38
  Yeah, because I guess at first it probably feels like a bit of
• 37:40
  a novelty going home and getting layered up to go for a run
• 37:43
  probably feels like quite cool and stuff.
• 37:46
  Until you go to get layered up and all your warm clothes are in
• 37:50
  the wash because they're wet or dirty.
• 37:52
  And yeah, if you take it for granted, you really do.
• 37:58
  And guys, to celebrate our 50th episode, something we never
• 38:03
  thought we'd get, we are going to give away.
• 38:07
  We got a little giveaway of you might have seen the singlets on
• 38:10
  the Instagram. We will be giving away one of
• 38:13
  those and some Bix gels to a very, very lucky listener.
• 38:18
  And I haven't felt the singlets yet, but we have.
• 38:22
  We might have compared them to another brand and they are the
• 38:27
  material is it's just impeccable guys.
• 38:32
  They're top, top quality. So yeah, 1 lucky person is going
• 38:38
  to get the chance to get one of them saying let's add some Bix
• 38:41
  gels courtesy of Bix and these little podcasts.
• 38:44
  So we'll put Instagram post up about that.
• 38:48
  And yeah, guys, we're excited to get just wearing some easy
• 38:52
  double singlets. I reckon next year once we get
• 38:55
  them out we'll have like a an easy double Hall of Fame or
• 38:59
  something and if anyone runs a PB whilst wearing the singlet
• 39:03
  you go straight into the Hall of Fame.
• 39:05
  That's cool. That's good, yeah.
• 39:09
  And what Owen's saying genuinely isn't marks in material.
• 39:12
  Like doesn't really matter if we sell these or if we don't
• 39:15
  because we're doing them at like cost price anyway.
• 39:17
  That's the good thing about it. They're so cheap and so
• 39:20
  accessible given what this bloody material is.
• 39:23
  Thanks. Thanks for giving us your race
• 39:24
  recap, Owen. And now he's very busy, man.
• 39:27
  One of the people who's going to have to dip out.
• 39:30
  Yeah, unfortunately my sister has a a very big foot game of
• 39:34
  football and I have to support her and I'm currently working so
• 39:39
  I'm better not tell my boss. But yeah, I'm going after dip
• 39:43
  boys, unfortunately. All right, I'll sign it off.
• 39:47
  See you next week. Charges next week.
• 39:48
  Good luck. See you mate, bye.
• 39:50
  Well, probably important to say as well that training week was
• 39:53
  brought to you by Gnomeo. That should give us hopefully
• 39:56
  some access to some of the athletes and bring you some more
• 39:58
  cool conversations around high performance and.
• 40:01
  How they're fueling that through through Gnomeo and how they're
• 40:04
  training So hopefully an exciting year ahead for both
• 40:07
  those Gnomeo and their athletes. Right then results I'm going to
• 40:12
  start chronologically because I think this one happened first
• 40:16
  maybe on Friday night. So there's a meet, I think it's
• 40:19
  Boston, this John Terrier meet and Sam Ruth, the New Zealand 16
• 40:26
  year old delivered and absolutely obscene run.
• 40:30
  I don't know if I think you've seen it because you sent the
• 40:33
  sent the stream through. So he's he's born from the front
• 40:37
  in 348.8 Ace from Peter Sisk, who was actually involved in one
• 40:42
  of those meets last week. I think he might have finished
• 40:44
  ahead of Jake Whiteman. He did, and I didn't know his
• 40:48
  name at the time, like I wasn't familiar with his name.
• 40:52
  But then when you went through the results, because that was
• 40:56
  the 2K race, wasn't it? And was it Hobbs, Kessler, then
• 41:02
  Grant Fisher, then Fisk and then Whiteman?
• 41:06
  And so then you, who's this person from Belgium beating, you
• 41:10
  know, the guy that's just finished second at the, at the
• 41:15
  world champs of the 1500. So you, you knew his name from
• 41:18
  there. So then to see him in front or,
• 41:21
  you know, in that mile race sort of elevated the profile of that
• 41:25
  mile, didn't it? Yeah, absolutely.
• 41:28
  And to be fair, I said he's one from the front.
• 41:30
  It wasn't from the front. He was, he was towards the front
• 41:33
  of the race the whole time, but he didn't pass the the guy piece
• 41:37
  sisk until quite late up there, maybe 300 meters or so to go or
• 41:42
  200 to go. I don't know if you've seen the
• 41:45
  video his is it like his brother or his dad put up initially from
• 41:49
  the stands? It's possibly his dad, so
• 41:52
  because his dad was interviewed post race as well.
• 41:55
  And it was a really interesting 10 minute chat because he's
• 42:00
  trying to process what his 16 year old son like.
• 42:03
  His son's still a kid really. And he's trying to work out like
• 42:09
  what's just happened? Where did that come from?
• 42:12
  What's next? Really cool 10 minute chat
• 42:16
  because, yeah, just as a parent trying to do the right thing by
• 42:19
  him and he's quite an accomplished runner himself, the
• 42:21
  father and then realizing because I think New Zealand have
• 42:26
  a rich history in the 1500 meter in the mile.
• 42:30
  Like John Walker, I think was an Olympic gold medalist and was
• 42:36
  the first person to go sub 350 for the mile.
• 42:40
  And so then and this 16 year old boy is just, you know, gone past
• 42:44
  all of these New Zealand greats in one fast way.
• 42:46
  It was pretty, pretty phenomenal.
• 42:50
  Yeah, on you can hear him as well.
• 42:52
  He's not commentating on the race for the purposes of the
• 42:54
  video, but he's just speaking because he's like he's so
• 42:58
  obviously passionate about it and he's like almost given
• 43:01
  instructions under under his breath, like go Sam, like and
• 43:05
  he's talking about the splits, what he needs to go for 800 in
• 43:08
  and stuff. And it's clear because I've seen
• 43:11
  a a pre race interview of that Sam Ruth and he's talking about
• 43:15
  trying to run 353 initially was the the target because I think
• 43:19
  he said that would be, although he's a Kiwi, that would be
• 43:24
  faster than any US high schooler ever.
• 43:27
  So he was like using that as a bit of a mini goal for him and
• 43:30
  his training partner and countryman.
• 43:33
  Santana seems to be almost like his his mentor, if you like is
• 43:38
  was going for the he had his eyes on the New Zealand record.
• 43:41
  And then I think in the races ended up pulling up with he got
• 43:45
  clipped or something. So he didn't end up finishing.
• 43:48
  Yeah, I think he might have heard his Achilles that they
• 43:50
  both travelled over on from. So last weekend, I don't know if
• 43:54
  we mentioned, but Sam Tanner and Sam Ruth ran I think 353 for the
• 44:00
  mile in New Zealand and then headed out midweek to the US,
• 44:04
  got into the US Wednesday night. And then this was meant to be
• 44:08
  for them a bit of a rust Buster race was how it was described.
• 44:14
  And yeah, they sort of had ABC goals.
• 44:18
  This is what Ben, his dad was saying.
• 44:21
  And that they I think 353 was maybe middle of the middle of
• 44:27
  the range. I think 348 was what was maybe
• 44:32
  thought to be absolutely like potentially possible.
• 44:36
  But I think his dad was trying to give caution that like 350 is
• 44:39
  just such a magical mark like and seconds.
• 44:42
  You don't just appeal lots of seconds off over such a short
• 44:46
  distance and you've got to deal with all the jet lag and the
• 44:49
  travel. But yeah, somehow he he ran the
• 44:53
  time that he did. Yeah.
• 44:55
  So some of the stats behind it is it's the third fastest under
• 44:59
  20 indoor mile of all time. And the guy's only 16.
• 45:03
  So he's he's three years the junior of some of the other
• 45:06
  people in that list. It's an under 18 world record.
• 45:10
  Again, he's got two years on some of them.
• 45:13
  So it's quite hard to comprehend really.
• 45:16
  And like you see what kind of happened or happens with gout
• 45:23
  gout and like the kind of sensationalizing of his results
• 45:28
  and him as a person and stuff. And you would hate for that to
• 45:32
  kind of have a negative impact on this Sam, but he's he's
• 45:37
  literally performing at that top level already.
• 45:39
  Like this isn't he's not on a trajectory to anywhere because
• 45:44
  he's he's like, he's there. He's mixing it with the world's
• 45:47
  best. Yeah, so there was on that
• 45:51
  interview with Sam's dad, there's a comment underneath it
• 45:55
  in on YouTube and it says that just for for context, do you
• 46:02
  remember, is it Quincy Wilson, the young 400M phenom for the
• 46:07
  USA that went, I think you might have gone to the World
• 46:10
  Championships recently in their men's 4 by 400, but he ran as a
• 46:15
  16 year old in the 400 meters, 44.1 seconds, which gives a
• 46:23
  world athletic score of 12149 points.
• 46:26
  And then you remember the 16 year old last year in the 800
• 46:29
  meters. Is it Luton House he ran, so
• 46:35
  another American he ran 142.27 in the 800 and that that equates
• 46:43
  in terms of the ranking score of 12161 points, so a bit quicker
• 46:47
  than the 400. And then Sam Ruth's time indoor
• 46:51
  mile time of 34888 ranks is scores 12187 points, so higher
• 47:00
  than both of those performances. And if you were to correspond
• 47:03
  that to a 400 meters, it would be a 43.51 outdoor or a
• 47:09
  141.37800 outdoor. So like.
• 47:14
  Close to world record in both of those.
• 47:16
  Yeah. And so I think the indoor, I
• 47:19
  think look and it makes me now question a little bit, how does
• 47:24
  the does the ranking point system key off whatever the
• 47:27
  world record is? And so you get points as to how
• 47:29
  close you are to that. And so maybe the indoor outdoor
• 47:32
  don't quite correlate because some of these indoor times are
• 47:35
  just getting rewritten. But I think either way, pretty
• 47:41
  phenomenally good. I've seen something else to add
• 47:46
  even more insight to it as well and it says for context in in
• 47:51
  2017 Inger Britson became the youngest ever sub form in at
• 47:55
  Mila and at the time he ran 358. So he's now 10 seconds faster
• 48:04
  than when Inger Britson done it in 2017.
• 48:07
  Yeah. Well, and I have to admit at
• 48:10
  that point in time, at that point in the weekend, so this
• 48:12
  was a Saturday meeting, wasn't it?
• 48:16
  I was thinking that was the peak result of the like the weekend
• 48:21
  it. Could have been ended the
• 48:23
  weekend and it would have been a good round of results to talk
• 48:27
  about. Yeah, you were sort of like this
• 48:29
  performance is, you know, a lot to digest in and of its own.
• 48:34
  And then there was some good racing still to come.
• 48:37
  So there was, I don't think I even touched on the fact that, I
• 48:40
  mean, obviously with all the, the world rankings that he's
• 48:44
  taken there, it's a national record for New Zealand as well,
• 48:47
  indoors and outdoors. So that goes back to 1982.
• 48:51
  The one thing he may be slightly salty about is that he didn't
• 48:54
  get the Area Oceania record because Cam still has that with
• 48:59
  the 347 and he he reminded us as such in in New York.
• 49:07
  So I don't know. Do you want to give a bit of an
• 49:09
  overview of Melrose? Yeah.
• 49:12
  I mean, look, I don't know to I know it's mentioned that it's
• 49:17
  what got 100. This was the 117th running of it
• 49:22
  was what I was what I saw. So I don't know the, this is bad
• 49:27
  background by me, but I don't know exactly how it's, it's come
• 49:31
  to be 117 years old, but certainly some of the one of the
• 49:37
  results we'll recap shortly, the mile results.
• 49:41
  They started going through like youngest ever winners of the
• 49:45
  mile. So the, the, the, the mile
• 49:47
  event, I think is one of the feature races of the mate.
• 49:51
  And when they're looking at youngest ever winners, a lot of
• 49:56
  the a lot of the names and their ages date back to the 50s and
• 49:59
  60s. So the, you know, it's pretty
• 50:04
  phenomenal to have a have a track mate with such history.
• 50:08
  Yeah, I think in terms of prestige as well in like the the
• 50:11
  running calendar year on year, it sits there as arguably the
• 50:16
  the most important indoor meet of the year given given its
• 50:20
  history, I guess. So it's held every February in
• 50:24
  New York City at a infamous track called the Armory.
• 50:29
  I think this time around there was a bit of chatter because the
• 50:32
  the weather outside was that bad, whether it would be
• 50:35
  implicating people like actually accessing the stadium and stuff
• 50:39
  and public transport. But I mean, obviously it's gone
• 50:42
  ahead. And in terms of like the the
• 50:45
  athlete selection in the field, I heard that it was it's put
• 50:49
  together by Ray Flynn, who's if you do a bit of Googling into
• 50:52
  him, he heads up one of the the agencies and has like half of
• 50:59
  the top talent globally right now, or so it would seem.
• 51:02
  Everyone's name who you see it just like, wow, wow, wow.
• 51:06
  So yeah, it's it's no wonder that they're able to put on such
• 51:09
  a show with all these athletes when he's he's heading it up
• 51:13
  using his network, which is good because you would imagine I
• 51:18
  tried to do some digging into like the prize money and stuff
• 51:21
  as well. But there's no, no information
• 51:23
  out there, which is fair enough. But yeah, you'd think there's
• 51:26
  even appearance fees and stuff being handed out for this one.
• 51:30
  So I think let's go through it chronologically, I think as to
• 51:33
  how it happened on the night. So the first one I seen was the
• 51:36
  women's 3000 and we did put a bit of a vote.
• 51:40
  Well, we put a preview post out on Instagram as to who we
• 51:43
  thought might win each of the races.
• 51:45
  And there was a bit of a vote on the story as well.
• 51:48
  So the the listeners and the followers could get involved in
• 51:50
  that just to make the recap a bit more fun.
• 51:53
  So Dean had Doris Lemon go away the is she still in college like
• 51:59
  the college fee norm or she just kind of coming out of that NCAA
• 52:02
  system? I thought she's out but she's
• 52:04
  like former collegiate has been in the US system for a while.
• 52:09
  Yeah, OK. I went with the British
• 52:12
  connection to Hannah. Not all actually tell.
• 52:15
  I did. I wouldn't have.
• 52:16
  Doris, you were just going to take that down, weren't you?
• 52:21
  I didn't think I did. And that's where I think you're
• 52:26
  right. I think we've done.
• 52:28
  I think I've done Doris and Dorcas and injustice here.
• 52:31
  I think Doris is still in college, right?
• 52:34
  Yeah, I. Think you're, I think.
• 52:37
  Cross country champs this year? Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 52:40
  So yeah, Dean had Lauren Ryan of Australia and the listeners the
• 52:45
  overall vote went to Jane had Ingrund the US sensation as
• 52:49
  well. So how the race results went was
• 52:52
  Doris Lemon goal. They won in 831, which is a
• 52:56
  world indoor standard. The qualifying time for that
• 52:58
  being 835 S comfortably inside that 2nd place was handing us
• 53:03
  all of GB in 832 again getting the qualifier.
• 53:07
  And 3rd was Jane Heddingren in 83498, another qualifier there.
• 53:13
  So what did you think of this one as it played out?
• 53:16
  Well, yeah, I mean, Doris just looks a bit too good, didn't
• 53:20
  she? Unfortunately, I was sort of
• 53:24
  rooting for, for, for for Lauren, but yeah, I don't know.
• 53:29
  She just I think we sort of picked the The Who the top
• 53:35
  runners were going to be. But yeah.
• 53:40
  And that Jane Hennegren has been And what is AUS collegiate
• 53:44
  athlete that's not too far out of high school.
• 53:47
  Yeah, she like freshman. Still think, isn't she?
• 53:50
  Yeah. A lot of talk around her too.
• 53:53
  So I thought it was a good, good run by her as well.
• 53:56
  And had enough thought to be fair.
• 53:57
  The only reason why I picked her is because I did look at some of
• 54:01
  their PBS and stuff versus the field and I think she'd run 838
• 54:06
  prior, maybe in 14395K. So it stacked up versus like the
• 54:12
  best in the race. Yeah, well, I think you're right
• 54:15
  and that's probably why I went with Lauren Ryan giving how some
• 54:17
  of the three KS are going. They like given how some of our
• 54:22
  middle distance girls are running and Lauren ran so well
• 54:25
  at Will Croft I thought maybe she'd be a bit closer.
• 54:29
  But hard to be fit over 10K and 3K all at the same time.
• 54:34
  Yeah, well, she she end up finishing back in fifth in
• 54:37
  84197. Shit guys, we've got a very
• 54:43
  special guest joining us impromptu.
• 54:47
  It's a name you might be familiar with and a voice you
• 54:51
  may also be familiar with. So welcome back to the show Owen
• 54:54
  Smith. I'm.
• 54:55
  Back. Your ears are probably burning
• 54:59
  because I just tried to claim the winner of the women's 3K as
• 55:02
  my own tip. I said let me go, didn't I?
• 55:06
  I did. Yeah, you did.
• 55:08
  She moves. Well, doesn't she?
• 55:09
  Yeah, so she's like college. Yeah, she's 23.
• 55:13
  I think she's in her coming off to our last years.
• 55:17
  Yeah, and but Hannah, not all want to run from her.
• 55:20
  That's probably the standard performance from there.
• 55:22
  Crazy. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?
• 55:24
  Her form makes it look like she's working the hardest to
• 55:27
  stay up there but she just group grinds it.
• 55:30
  And but like, I think before last week, I think her PB was
• 55:34
  well off and then last week she ran 838 or something and now
• 55:38
  she's down to eight, 32831, which is, yeah, she's on one.
• 55:43
  She's with that New Balance Manchester group with Andrew.
• 55:46
  Oh yeah. Yes, so Congrats to all the
• 55:48
  listeners that voted for Doris there and followed Owens lead.
• 55:52
  Next up was the men's 800 meter where unfortunately the Irishman
• 55:56
  who we previewed last week who blitz the 600 meters came
• 55:59
  Mcphillips. He was a scratching and word was
• 56:02
  coming in from Owen the day before.
• 56:04
  Where did you see this, Owen? Just an inside source.
• 56:09
  I was just in the Irish circles, was it?
• 56:11
  Yeah, apparently it's something wrong with his tooth or
• 56:15
  something like that. It was, yeah, it was going to be
• 56:17
  very painful to to run on. So yeah, it's not worth it
• 56:21
  really. Your health is your wealth.
• 56:23
  That's it. Well, for this one I went with
• 56:26
  Mohammed Atui because I've seen a post saying he fancied the
• 56:30
  world records, the 800 meters indoor world record.
• 56:33
  So I was trying to be a bit sneaky there.
• 56:37
  Oh, and you went with Key and obviously he was scratching
• 56:39
  Dean, did you go with Brazier? No.
• 56:43
  I went with the guy that one. No.
• 56:47
  No, he did. No, I went with the two as well.
• 56:50
  I think I should get Colin because that's name is pretty
• 56:53
  similar to him so it's probably the closest.
• 56:58
  Yeah, but so this race was won by Colin Salman, US not high
• 57:04
  school at AUS Collegiate. He runs for Northern Arizona.
• 57:08
  He beat Mohamed the two in second of Spain and Ben
• 57:11
  Patterson of GB in 3rd. So Colin ran 144.7, which is
• 57:19
  just obscene. Like I had sometimes I don't
• 57:23
  know who the athletes are and they I should know who they are.
• 57:27
  But in this instance, I don't think anyone knew who he was
• 57:30
  besides people who follow the NCAA system.
• 57:34
  Yeah, he's ripping it up in the NCAA, but like, for him to be
• 57:38
  like the likes of Bryce Hoppel, Donovan Brazer, like I feel like
• 57:41
  the Americans hype Donovan Brazer and Bryce Hop so much,
• 57:44
  you're like, Oh my God, they're going to win the world.
• 57:47
  But when push comes to shove, like, I don't know, they're not
• 57:50
  that good really well on a big stage like this.
• 57:54
  Yeah, and we'll get on to this. I was trying to like kind of
• 57:57
  find out who he was and like what he's been doing the last
• 57:59
  couple of years. So in the US 800 meter
• 58:03
  championships last year, so like the trials for the Tokyo World
• 58:07
  Champs team, he was, he finished ninth in the final, which, OK,
• 58:13
  whatever, finished 9th. But Brazier and Hopple finished
• 58:17
  first and 3rd in that race. So he was in a completely
• 58:20
  different race to them. Yeah, he's just going to scalp
• 58:22
  them on one of the biggest stages.
• 58:25
  But you have to get into contacts like he's in that
• 58:29
  college system where you run every single week and like that
• 58:33
  Olympic trials near the end of the season.
• 58:35
  So he's probably all race that over, to be honest.
• 58:37
  Whereas these boys, Brazer and Hubble, they're peaking
• 58:40
  specifically for this. So shot like Colin Shaman, like
• 58:44
  he's yeah, he is really, really, really good.
• 58:47
  I know definitely sign what like Adidas or Nike or something like
• 58:50
  that. But yeah, it's really hard for
• 58:53
  them collegians to like keep it up all year round.
• 58:57
  This might sound a bit harsh, but is the is it as exciting
• 59:01
  with the 800 when knowing that what Josh how we just ran and
• 59:06
  after the 600 that happened like a week or so ago, couple weeks
• 59:10
  ago? Yeah, I was like even that 144
• 59:12
  like during the summer, like indoors is it must be slower
• 59:16
  because in the outdoors these boys are rolling like 140 twos
• 59:20
  consistently last year. So yeah, they're like 2-3
• 59:23
  seconds off it and. Then how we end?
• 59:25
  But how he did run that? Yeah, but how he's peeking for
• 59:28
  like this? How he's peeking for this?
• 59:30
  He's a Mad Dog. Isn't he?
• 59:33
  That's not like so then don't you want to like as we're
• 59:37
  talking about like this is such a major mate and like the the
• 59:40
  agent does such a good job of bringing in all of the best
• 59:43
  runners like that, the men's mile and two mile and same for
• 59:47
  like the women's distance races as well.
• 59:51
  Like ridiculously stacked. But I feel like how we at the
• 59:55
  minute, I don't know. He has my he.
• 59:57
  He feels like the most exciting 800m runner in the world for me
• 1:00:01
  at the minute. Yeah, but then look, he was
• 1:00:03
  meant to be on the start list for the Mile and had to scratch
• 1:00:07
  himself for that. No one I book.
• 1:00:09
  Clearly, something's happened on the back of that world record
• 1:00:12
  last week. Flew too close to the sun do you
• 1:00:14
  think? He peaked too hard.
• 1:00:16
  Maybe Tom Tell? Well, yeah, I mean, it did feel,
• 1:00:22
  I don't know why, how Kim Mcphillips has captured my
• 1:00:25
  attention so much, but when you see he's not on the start list,
• 1:00:28
  it just kind of changes the dynamic a bit.
• 1:00:31
  And yes, there's a Spanish guy and then there's a British guy
• 1:00:34
  in there. But then when there's four
• 1:00:36
  Americans, you just want a little bit more diversity to it,
• 1:00:39
  don't you? Like no, when Yoni or that
• 1:00:43
  Canadian guy or Algerians, like there's so many other good lads
• 1:00:46
  that aren't there. And then no luck.
• 1:00:50
  And how, see, he's exciting as well because he's the kid.
• 1:00:53
  But he was a 600. He ran on this night as well and
• 1:00:56
  put it in the results. But I seen it and he won
• 1:01:00
  convincingly. Yeah, he found super well,
• 1:01:04
  again, what did he run? I think it was 1/14, 1:15 or
• 1:01:10
  something like that, faster than what Mcphillips run.
• 1:01:14
  And yeah, and he's that kids only 16, which is like, I was
• 1:01:20
  trying to tell lady in like about this guy and how he came
• 1:01:24
  out of nowhere, but she just couldn't grasp it.
• 1:01:26
  But yeah. She couldn't.
• 1:01:29
  She couldn't grasp it, or she just didn't care.
• 1:01:32
  She didn't care. I was like, no, he came over in
• 1:01:36
  the Olympic trials. Grandma 42.
• 1:01:38
  It's crazy. It's some of it, some of it's
• 1:01:40
  like, it's fairly neat, isn't it?
• 1:01:43
  Yeah. And that's that's why the pod's
• 1:01:46
  so good, because you, you've got us who do care.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah. And and some listeners which we
• 1:01:52
  appreciate, thanks because we go into the weeds on some of this
• 1:01:55
  stuff. But anyway.
• 1:01:58
  It's our own little nerdy introversive bubble where we can
• 1:02:01
  all just geek out over running results no one else in our lives
• 1:02:05
  wants to know. I think Next up was the men's
• 1:02:08
  two mile. So I mean, this field was, it's
• 1:02:11
  probably better than the one who make a mile field arguably.
• 1:02:16
  So I won't give the results away.
• 1:02:17
  But yeah, we, well, we're here to read the results, aren't me.
• 1:02:21
  It was won by Carl Hocker in eight O 7.3.
• 1:02:24
  One second was Josh Kerr, eight O 7.68.
• 1:02:27
  Parker Wolf of the US was third, eight O 783.
• 1:02:31
  Then further down, to show the depth of this race, we had Kai
• 1:02:34
  Robinson, Geordie Beamish, Graham Blanks, Kupertier and
• 1:02:37
  Drew Hunter amongst others. I think that page then cuts off
• 1:02:43
  the rest of them. Graham Fisher was a scratching,
• 1:02:46
  a late scratching due to illness.
• 1:02:48
  He is due to make that half marathon debut in March.
• 1:02:52
  So I mean he got an indoor race done last week in the 2K was it?
• 1:02:57
  So maybe he's not all that concerned with this and he wants
• 1:03:01
  to prioritize that half marathon.
• 1:03:03
  But sad to see him not there. He always makes to be honest.
• 1:03:06
  That could be a good point. Like this race was objectively
• 1:03:10
  pretty slow because they were talking about would the 8 minute
• 1:03:13
  barrier fall. And I think if you look at Grant
• 1:03:17
  Fisher's 3K world record of last year, 722 or something and scale
• 1:03:24
  it up for a 3200, which is a two mile, it worked out like 757.
• 1:03:30
  So some of the chatter was the 8 minute barrier will fall and how
• 1:03:34
  many, how many of them will dip under 800?
• 1:03:37
  And perhaps the fact that Fisher wasn't here to push the pace is
• 1:03:41
  half the reason why they ran 7 seconds slower than 8 minutes.
• 1:03:45
  Definitely looked like it played a a role, didn't it?
• 1:03:48
  Sort of lacked anyone that was prepared to take it on once the
• 1:03:50
  pacemaker dropped off. And yeah, looks like looked like
• 1:03:56
  people were more interested in racing and winning than they
• 1:03:59
  were in running fast, which which was still exciting.
• 1:04:03
  I thought the race itself, like, yeah, it meant that certain you
• 1:04:08
  knew who to look for in terms of kicks and then you wanted to see
• 1:04:13
  who was there with the lap to go, albeit that it was still
• 1:04:15
  getting wound up, like it was still pretty fast, like fast
• 1:04:18
  enough where some of the kickers just like Jordy Beamish, who,
• 1:04:21
  you know, has a who out kicked Copper Hawker to win a.
• 1:04:26
  Was it around this time last year or the year before when he
• 1:04:28
  won the 50 indoor 1500 meters? Is that two years ago?
• 1:04:33
  Very. Last year or yeah, but maybe was
• 1:04:36
  two years ago, you know. Maybe two years ago, yeah,
• 1:04:38
  because I think he was in maybe injured this time last year,
• 1:04:40
  wasn't he? And then still build up for
• 1:04:42
  Tokyo. But you know, he's got a serious
• 1:04:46
  close on him and he did close, right.
• 1:04:48
  He, I think he still moved through in the last few laps,
• 1:04:50
  but he was just, he was still run out of it I think as the
• 1:04:53
  pace started to wind up and he he wasn't quite in picture so.
• 1:04:58
  Like he, he was umm, he was way at the back and you can see here
• 1:05:02
  his last 400 was in like 55 because I thought it was 55.94.
• 1:05:08
  So he made-up so much ground, but he was still, he was too far
• 1:05:12
  back for the kick to really. But like, yeah, if he just gave
• 1:05:15
  himself a little bit less work to do, like again, he probably
• 1:05:18
  would have won. It So did he have the fastest
• 1:05:20
  last quarter mile? Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  Yeah. And then who he was the.
• 1:05:25
  Only one in the 50 fives. Yeah, he's closed half second
• 1:05:29
  faster than Hocker, who's close to win the race.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it?
• 1:05:34
  So like if it's slower again, he potentially has the wheels to
• 1:05:37
  win the race. So, but it was just fast enough
• 1:05:39
  with that drive because was it Grand?
• 1:05:41
  Blanc said. Look to try and make a move at
• 1:05:43
  one point and go round, but he he didn't quite have the the
• 1:05:47
  tank, did he, to really test anyone.
• 1:05:51
  The problem with Hocker now is like, everyone knows he's got
• 1:05:54
  the kick, but he's also like ridiculously fit.
• 1:05:57
  This is, it's becoming like increasingly harder to run that
• 1:06:00
  kick out of him, clearly. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:06:04
  I mean, what, what's he run like 13 minutes for 5K?
• 1:06:08
  And so he's aerobically fit and he's seriously fast.
• 1:06:13
  But I mean, yeah, in terms of how the race played out, was it
• 1:06:16
  Parker Wolf who won the US cross country trials?
• 1:06:20
  He made he made the move with about what, 400 metres to go?
• 1:06:24
  S took, took over and and made a bit of a drive.
• 1:06:29
  And that was that move was met by Josh Kerr and Cole Hocker.
• 1:06:34
  They both counted that and sat on and then and then did Josh
• 1:06:39
  Kerr then go around to start making his move.
• 1:06:43
  And then you sort of just could say that Cole was countering
• 1:06:45
  everything and felt like he knew that he still had another gear
• 1:06:50
  to go to when he needed to in the last last lap and was too
• 1:06:53
  good, ran away from everyone. He's just so confident in his
• 1:06:58
  clothes as well, isn't he? Like as soon as he asks for it,
• 1:07:01
  it's there. Yeah.
• 1:07:04
  He talking about the depth of that race, so we commented on
• 1:07:07
  the top eight there, but our pigs, Owen didn't even get a
• 1:07:12
  feature. And I he was going, well, I
• 1:07:15
  thought he was going to like kick on because he took the lead
• 1:07:18
  pretty early on, but it was still a collegiate record.
• 1:07:21
  Like, he's still the fastest ever collegian to run that time.
• 1:07:24
  And he's not even into top 8, which is, yeah, just goes to
• 1:07:27
  show how deep that field was. Yeah, and 8th and Strand.
• 1:07:30
  He was. He was in the mix early but
• 1:07:34
  fighted. When I, when I was watching this
• 1:07:38
  and I seen the that they didn't split a mile anywhere near like
• 1:07:42
  4 minutes. If you think about the, they're
• 1:07:44
  trying to split it in sub 8 minutes and Carl Hawker was on
• 1:07:50
  the front at that point. The pacemaker was obviously
• 1:07:52
  there, but Hawker even sat off the pacemaker.
• 1:07:55
  And I bet you some of these guys will be walking away from this
• 1:07:59
  race, like really frustrated with themselves because they
• 1:08:03
  allowed, like, you think it's a good tactic to just sit in
• 1:08:08
  behind. But then if Hawker's on the
• 1:08:10
  fronts and deliberately making it slow and no one's willing to
• 1:08:13
  go past him and like, make it hard for him, then he's
• 1:08:17
  literally just controlling his own destiny because he's made it
• 1:08:20
  slow. He knows he's going to win if
• 1:08:22
  it's a slow start and a fast finish and no one else wanted to
• 1:08:26
  do anything about it until it was too late.
• 1:08:28
  They, he was asked in an interview, he did like I think
• 1:08:32
  they made a cut. They asked him a question along
• 1:08:34
  those lines that you seem to have a bit of a knack for
• 1:08:38
  finding the front, controlling the tempo and then kicking home
• 1:08:41
  late. And you could see him smiling at
• 1:08:43
  the response, like smiling at the question.
• 1:08:45
  Because yeah, seems to be working very well for.
• 1:08:48
  Him well, and I know that wasn't the one.
• 1:08:51
  The goose. The goose was in the mile,
• 1:08:52
  wasn't he? Next week.
• 1:08:56
  Just a fun race though, hey, like, in terms of like, you got
• 1:08:58
  10 people, ten horses that you could, you know, mount an
• 1:09:03
  argument for potentially winning the race.
• 1:09:06
  I don't know, Just a very exciting race to watch.
• 1:09:10
  Like you say, sometimes you get over obsessive over records and
• 1:09:14
  fast times and stuff, but it's it's actually almost
• 1:09:16
  refreshingly nice to see a slow first lap or a slow first two
• 1:09:20
  laps. Because when it's fast it's good
• 1:09:24
  because there's drama over the record.
• 1:09:26
  But you can almost see who's going to win before it gets to
• 1:09:29
  the end. Like you see the people who are
• 1:09:31
  maybe sitting in 3rd and 4th and they're going to have nothing to
• 1:09:34
  do with the finish. Whereas when it's slow like this
• 1:09:36
  the literally can be 5-6 people making their shot for it.
• 1:09:41
  And the the strength like World Athletics, I thought it was
• 1:09:44
  good. Like the fact that you can
• 1:09:45
  anyone can view that. I don't know.
• 1:09:47
  Oh, and if it's the same fools like country restricted.
• 1:09:51
  But yeah, we had no issues feeling it.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, I had no issues in Ireland.
• 1:09:55
  It's perfect. And they even showed the the 2K
• 1:10:02
  the week before I think was before this two mile.
• 1:10:05
  They showed the 2K race sort of like a nice little recap of
• 1:10:09
  Fisher and Hobbscast are going at it.
• 1:10:12
  And but yeah, I really like the way I do these streams.
• 1:10:14
  Just sign up, make an account and you can access.
• 1:10:16
  It's perfect. That was confusing to be fair
• 1:10:18
  for me because I put it on this morning when I woke up and that
• 1:10:22
  2K race was live. I was like, what's going on
• 1:10:26
  here? So I just clicked off it and
• 1:10:29
  thought, I'll just come back to it once.
• 1:10:30
  It's like actually done but annoying.
• 1:10:32
  I could have actually watched it live, really.
• 1:10:35
  You're literally like 2 minutes away from there.
• 1:10:39
  It was the immediate build up. All right.
• 1:10:42
  Women's want to make a miles, so the want to make a miles
• 1:10:45
  usually. Well, they do headline this myth
• 1:10:48
  and they usually attract the biggest fields.
• 1:10:51
  So in this one, Australia had Jess Hall and Linden Hall going
• 1:10:55
  back at it again after their battle in Boston last week and
• 1:10:58
  the world cross cross country successes a few weeks prior.
• 1:11:03
  And then there was a host of Americans in there as well, of
• 1:11:06
  which Nikki Hilts came out on top of the Americans and on top
• 1:11:10
  of everyone. She ran 41964.
• 1:11:14
  They ran 41964 to win the race, closely followed by Jess in
• 1:11:19
  second in a much improved 420.11 and Claudia Kasimerska of
• 1:11:25
  Poland, 3rd 42136, National record.
• 1:11:29
  Linden Hall closely in behind the 4th, 42145.
• 1:11:35
  How'd you see this one? Linden's running well, isn't she
• 1:11:39
  like, like she's only a second behind you, So and I wouldn't
• 1:11:43
  last year, I wouldn't put her a second behind you so.
• 1:11:46
  But yeah, Nikki Hill says they're good at running, aren't
• 1:11:51
  they? Like strong cake?
• 1:11:53
  Just I feel like it was slow, like I'm looking at the splits
• 1:11:57
  here, each 400 they went through first lap 63, then 66, then 68
• 1:12:04
  high and then they dropped a 60. So it wasn't the fastest and but
• 1:12:09
  still like quality fields. And yeah, it's only the start of
• 1:12:14
  February, so they, yeah, still got running.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah. Did you think that Jess maybe
• 1:12:20
  had another gear towards the end in the lap to overtake Nikki and
• 1:12:23
  it just she wanted to but just couldn't?
• 1:12:28
  I wouldn't strong. That's the thing, we're indoors
• 1:12:31
  as well, and I only realized this now because I ran indoors.
• 1:12:33
  It's so hard to pass on them. Ben's, it's so hard.
• 1:12:37
  And then the straight is so short.
• 1:12:39
  Like if you have the rail, you're in pole position to win
• 1:12:42
  the race. It's worth so much.
• 1:12:44
  So like probably on a outdoor track.
• 1:12:48
  Jess has it every day of the week.
• 1:12:49
  It's just the indoor, it's different.
• 1:12:51
  And I'll stretch and I would imagine some of the American
• 1:12:54
  athletes in particular, not that I mean Jess went to Oregon, so
• 1:12:57
  would have had experience running indoors.
• 1:12:59
  But you notice as well often that some of those athletes that
• 1:13:05
  have gone through their collegiate system that erased so
• 1:13:07
  much get very get very tactically very good.
• 1:13:10
  It's strange looking at one of Jess's racism being like, oh,
• 1:13:14
  yeah, that was that was a decent performance.
• 1:13:17
  Like she's got one under her belt rather than like judging
• 1:13:19
  her by the absolute highest, highest standards because of
• 1:13:22
  kind of like her poor run last week.
• 1:13:25
  But you kind of give that one like a really good pass mark.
• 1:13:29
  Not a pass mark, but it's a very good run.
• 1:13:31
  And now hopefully you're kind of like, forget about what happened
• 1:13:34
  last week because I was kind of watching her and being like, oh,
• 1:13:39
  if she has another bad one, like, I don't know, you start to
• 1:13:42
  worry a little bit. But thankfully she she ran
• 1:13:44
  really well. Am I right in thinking is it
• 1:13:48
  Sinclair Johnson who's been running very well and she she
• 1:13:52
  finished back in 10th. So yeah, it's interesting.
• 1:13:55
  Like it doesn't take much that's some of the margins in some of
• 1:13:59
  these races are pretty fine. And if you're just a little bit
• 1:14:02
  off, you yeah, you can be right off when the when the field to
• 1:14:07
  as deep as what they are. Yeah, when you're trying to
• 1:14:10
  measure that peak to almost perfection, the variance week to
• 1:14:13
  week can be can be big. Over to the men's want to make a
• 1:14:17
  mile then. So again, this field absolutely
• 1:14:22
  ridiculous. Now, Starboy, Mr. Ora took the
• 1:14:28
  win. Cam Myers 347.57 for a world
• 1:14:33
  lead. Not quite a PB, but who gives a
• 1:14:36
  shit? He's just won the want to make a
• 1:14:38
  mile followed by Jared Nagus comes overthrown him.
• 1:14:41
  Jared had three on the Truss up his sleeve going for his four
• 1:14:44
  piece second in three 4831 and Mr. World Record from last week.
• 1:14:52
  Hobbs Kessler in 3rd 348.68. Further down Nico Young, Andrew
• 1:14:58
  Coskran, Festus Lugart, Robert Farkin, Gary Martin and Ollie
• 1:15:02
  Hall. Comments and thoughts.
• 1:15:05
  Not a bad listed list there. Like I know we were just talking
• 1:15:09
  about the Two Mile, but like, all of those names are top ten
• 1:15:13
  names, aren't they? Right out of the top class,
• 1:15:15
  yeah. Like Jared was incredibly
• 1:15:20
  unlucky not to be representing USA World champs won an Olympic
• 1:15:23
  medal the year before. Hobbs Kessler just ran a world
• 1:15:27
  record. Was it 2 weeks ago Andrew
• 1:15:31
  Cosgrohn was fondlist Tokyo like Robert Farkin was the was one of
• 1:15:37
  the hot things what, 6 months ago when it came to 1500 that
• 1:15:42
  Gary Martin with the glasses like we've spoken about him
• 1:15:45
  before. And then Olly Hall, former
• 1:15:47
  Commonwealth Games gold medalist, straight 31 guy like
• 1:15:51
  this. The the field's very stacked, I
• 1:15:54
  suppose is the comment. Like the splits, calm splits 56
• 1:15:59
  high first lap, 56 mid second lap, 58 third lap or 400.
• 1:16:06
  These are all 400, sorry. So 565658 and then a 56 low last
• 1:16:12
  400. Like that is just hard to
• 1:16:15
  comprehend how fast he's going. Squeeze, squeeze.
• 1:16:20
  The lifeout of them strangled them like a bow constrictor.
• 1:16:26
  Can I, can I make a comment on like it's one thing to it's one
• 1:16:32
  thing to talk about a result, like to reflect on the results,
• 1:16:35
  but it's another thing, and this is what we're learning when
• 1:16:38
  we're talking about running news.
• 1:16:39
  But it's far more difficult to give accurate predictions than
• 1:16:44
  it is to give insightful reflections.
• 1:16:47
  So like we're just commenting on the races as we saw it, but
• 1:16:50
  commenting on the race before it happens is quite hard.
• 1:16:53
  And I think we're trying to do a decent job of trying to canvas
• 1:16:56
  what we think might happen. And that's why I went with, say,
• 1:17:00
  the three time winner, Jared Nagoos, in terms of thinking
• 1:17:04
  that he would be a reasonable person to pick.
• 1:17:07
  And I think you guys were, you know, picking, picking well in
• 1:17:10
  terms of your picks, right, Ron? You went what, Hobbs?
• 1:17:14
  Yeah, went with the phone book. And Owen, you were patriotic but
• 1:17:19
  also had reason to to get behind Andrew.
• 1:17:22
  Yeah, like he was pushing it. He was doing well.
• 1:17:25
  But none of us, none of us tips tipped out the the Aussie phenom
• 1:17:32
  and but perhaps did we get put in our place a little bit by
• 1:17:35
  that? Yeah, I think he might have
• 1:17:37
  caught winds or seen he must have seen the post.
• 1:17:40
  We put out our preview post and maybe read the caption and
• 1:17:44
  thought not too sure about that one.
• 1:17:47
  So initially gave us a follow to let us know that perhaps he'd
• 1:17:52
  seen the preview in the prediction and just that he did
• 1:17:55
  still exist. How have you guys forgotten
• 1:17:57
  about me? And then perhaps even more
• 1:18:01
  boldly, when we put the the prediction vote out to
• 1:18:04
  listeners, he went on and voted for himself.
• 1:18:08
  And so we shared this in the group.
• 1:18:11
  And from that point I was like, shit, that that's like class.
• 1:18:15
  I hope he wins. Like what a story it'll be.
• 1:18:18
  And obviously there he is now smoke as anything like he he
• 1:18:22
  literally went out there and said, I'm going to win.
• 1:18:25
  And we've just kind of spoke to the quality of the field.
• 1:18:28
  Yet he was happy to like, OK, he's not saying it publicly and
• 1:18:33
  putting it on his story, but I mean, he's telling the running
• 1:18:35
  podcasts that he's going to win the race, so he might as well be
• 1:18:38
  doing it publicly. And yeah, didn't he just back it
• 1:18:41
  up? It was a pretty good flex.
• 1:18:43
  And I mean, I don't know, yeah. I mean, embarrassed in
• 1:18:47
  hindsight, there were none of us tipped in and myself in
• 1:18:50
  particular being the Aussie representative.
• 1:18:53
  But yeah, I don't know. And with the benefit of
• 1:18:58
  hindsight, like does it look a bit obvious like he's run 347,
• 1:19:01
  which as we just went through in terms of the 348 that was just
• 1:19:05
  run by Sam Ruth, like, you know, a whole second quicker.
• 1:19:11
  What does that do in terms of right?
• 1:19:13
  Like that's a phenomenal time, but I don't know.
• 1:19:17
  And are we just getting a little bit too drink the American
• 1:19:21
  podcast call aid with the, you know, the Let's Run chat?
• 1:19:28
  I think it's a bit of both. Go on, Owen.
• 1:19:30
  Sorry. I was, I think it's it's
• 1:19:33
  different this time, like last year.
• 1:19:35
  Who's running really well right here for that?
• 1:19:37
  What was it, the world champ here?
• 1:19:39
  Yeah. So last year was world champs,
• 1:19:41
  wasn't it? Yeah.
• 1:19:42
  He was running really, really well.
• 1:19:44
  But I don't know, you still sort of had that doubt.
• 1:19:47
  Like he's young, like he's new, big occasions and all this.
• 1:19:51
  And he he'd be the first to say he didn't perform on the world
• 1:19:53
  stage. But I feel like this time round
• 1:19:56
  it's different. Like I think he's here.
• 1:19:59
  I think he's finally like arrived.
• 1:20:02
  And yeah, I think he's like beating yard in the Goose and
• 1:20:05
  all these boys, like outsmarting them as well.
• 1:20:09
  Like, I just think it's different this time around.
• 1:20:10
  And I think he's here to stay now.
• 1:20:12
  Like that's he's only going to get better.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah, I think it is a little bit of that like he's, he's levelled
• 1:20:18
  up, hasn't he? Like perhaps prior to this there
• 1:20:21
  was maybe a few question marks, like he's got great times and
• 1:20:25
  stuff, but can he do it against the best or can he do it on the
• 1:20:28
  big stage? And then this is the emphatic
• 1:20:31
  answer. Absolutely.
• 1:20:32
  Yes, he can. It's I feel it's like sort of
• 1:20:38
  your man Sam route is in cams all situation.
• 1:20:40
  I feel like fair enough. He's ran super fast and like to
• 1:20:44
  be honest, I don't know how that kid can even improve anymore.
• 1:20:47
  Like you think boss, like there's still questions like
• 1:20:51
  could he do it like on a world stage?
• 1:20:54
  Whereas Cam has been there, he hasn't from the royal stage.
• 1:20:57
  But now I don't know. I think this is just different
• 1:20:59
  now. I think he's he's ready.
• 1:21:02
  He is him. Yes, he is him.
• 1:21:05
  And did you see his his interview last week after his
• 1:21:10
  3000 meters? And he talks about, well, last
• 1:21:13
  year he was working on his strength to make sure he's able
• 1:21:15
  to be there at the end. And because he was focusing on
• 1:21:19
  that so much, he didn't really have much of A close.
• 1:21:21
  He was just trying to put himself in the picture.
• 1:21:23
  Whereas now he's been able to stack on top of that the fact
• 1:21:26
  that he's got his speed endurance and he can work off
• 1:21:28
  that. So it's it's a dangerous combo.
• 1:21:32
  Yeah, because I think that maybe is it's either perceived or or
• 1:21:36
  real. I mean, Owen, as you mentioned,
• 1:21:38
  those times are ridiculous in terms of what his splits are.
• 1:21:40
  But I think it's a bit tricky because he's a bit like Jacob in
• 1:21:44
  terms of he's a bit deceptive with when he's moving and
• 1:21:47
  switching gears. Like some people, it feels very
• 1:21:49
  obvious when you can see them, like they go to the arms and
• 1:21:52
  their form changes and their mechanics looks a bit different.
• 1:21:55
  Whereas like when he was running away in that last lap and he's
• 1:21:57
  gapping because was it Nagoose and Kessler, they both started
• 1:22:02
  to close in onto his shoulder. And then with about a hundred
• 1:22:05
  150 to go or or maybe even slightly less, he just starts to
• 1:22:10
  move away a little bit and then he's just moving away and that
• 1:22:12
  home straight. He's just clearing out.
• 1:22:14
  But he still looks just as smooth as what he did before the
• 1:22:17
  bell. So it's like it's hard T hard to
• 1:22:20
  know. Like so then you're like, is he
• 1:22:23
  has he got a kick or you know, is he is he good?
• 1:22:26
  Can he close races? And it was like, yeah, no, I
• 1:22:28
  can. Because Koskren went to the
• 1:22:31
  front while he was on the front, I think towards the early
• 1:22:33
  stages, wasn't he? Once the pacemaker went, maybe.
• 1:22:36
  And then like you could see visibly the Koskren slowed a
• 1:22:39
  little. And as soon as he slowed, Cam
• 1:22:42
  just went round, didn't he? And just everything he'd done is
• 1:22:45
  like, I'm, I'm the alpha in this race.
• 1:22:48
  Yeah, pretty ballsy move, right to take the you basically towing
• 1:22:53
  that Hobbs Kessler in terms of his clothes, like his speed, he
• 1:22:56
  always looks so good. You know that like he's like
• 1:22:58
  high cadence rips the 800 and you're like, I'm about to tow
• 1:23:01
  these guys with me for the last 400 meters.
• 1:23:07
  And he just, yeah, he just absolutely put him to the sword.
• 1:23:10
  Well was it this for exact race last year when the goose ran the
• 1:23:14
  the world record? Like the goose is record holder,
• 1:23:17
  isn't he? And then it got beaten a couple
• 1:23:19
  days later. Yeah, but yeah, I'll be in some
• 1:23:23
  European indoor mate, wasn't it? I'll give, I'll give this time
• 1:23:27
  last year's world record holder a toe to the line, but I know
• 1:23:31
  I'm going to take his finish out of them.
• 1:23:33
  Yeah. Yeah, the guy that ran the world
• 1:23:34
  record last year and then the guy that just ran a 2K record a
• 1:23:38
  fortnight ago, and I'll just overtake them both and burn
• 1:23:42
  them. Catch me if you can.
• 1:23:44
  Yeah. It's the moustache.
• 1:23:48
  It could be could be something in it.
• 1:23:51
  His his DMS will be lighting up this week.
• 1:23:56
  If you're I wonder. What cross he's thinking.
• 1:23:58
  Saying get back here to Canberra and teach me a thing or two.
• 1:24:01
  Yeah. I might move to Canberra.
• 1:24:04
  OK, now something in the water over there.
• 1:24:06
  Clearly. But to be fair, Speaking of the
• 1:24:08
  his DMS lighting up, he also in the week signed for chorus.
• 1:24:11
  Didn't he like the global partner with them?
• 1:24:14
  And I know ya Hub's a partner. I don't think that they don't
• 1:24:17
  have like a massive roster of athletes though.
• 1:24:19
  They just have like a few big influential players.
• 1:24:23
  So I mean, yeah, he's, he's going well in all directions,
• 1:24:26
  isn't he? Pretty sure Jess Hall is now
• 1:24:29
  chorus as well. I think she was wearing the
• 1:24:31
  armband. That's how you sort of know.
• 1:24:32
  Of course, athlete, they wear that freaking orange or yellow.
• 1:24:36
  It's good. Advertising that and I reckon
• 1:24:37
  it's called dart. I like again, talking about like
• 1:24:40
  my daughter and and people nerdy out on that stuff like high
• 1:24:43
  rates, all fairly individual, but getting some insights on
• 1:24:47
  where those heart rates peak and how they distribute, how you
• 1:24:51
  meant to distribute your effort and stuff.
• 1:24:52
  I reckon they'll be getting some pretty cool insights.
• 1:24:55
  I feel like the chorus technology is like sort of a
• 1:24:59
  level above the garment. Like are you personally use a
• 1:25:01
  garment, but for like the chorus app, like you see them at least
• 1:25:05
  and they can they've got that graph with like your training
• 1:25:07
  load and all that course is just better at comparing that data.
• 1:25:11
  I think it's just better. Yeah, I mean, we got great
• 1:25:15
  insight when we rocked up. Was it one of those Saturday
• 1:25:17
  tempos and Ryan's little man's light laying down?
• 1:25:23
  One 1% recovery. I reckon that sent a red flag
• 1:25:29
  back to like the Chorus people management team or something
• 1:25:33
  like do a welfare check on this user.
• 1:25:38
  Speaking of which, to be fair, let me just say this whilst
• 1:25:40
  we're here, I, my race predictor, give me a a bit of a
• 1:25:44
  shock in the week because now I've started putting some
• 1:25:46
  running back into the chorus. It's updating my predicted race
• 1:25:51
  times to be reflective of the running that I'm giving it.
• 1:25:54
  So it thinks, well my 5K time right now is 18 minutes 18.
• 1:26:01
  The good news is I'll still dip a three hour marathon with a two
• 1:26:05
  hour 59, so the only way is up boys.
• 1:26:09
  I don't know how these like race predictors work.
• 1:26:13
  Mine says I'd run AA14265K which I'd take a 3051 ten KA 69 minute
• 1:26:22
  half and then did 2 hours 30 marathon 2/29/58 for the
• 1:26:28
  marathon. How's your 5K so the dialed?
• 1:26:31
  I haven't a clue, I just. It's probably just took your
• 1:26:35
  actual buddy 5K race from the other week.
• 1:26:39
  But it wouldn't take nothing. My 10K true, yeah.
• 1:26:43
  I don't know how they do it anyway.
• 1:26:46
  Yeah, well, that's the the mill Rose meets.
• 1:26:51
  I was meant. To ask you if you're Ollie
• 1:26:55
  whore, what you're doing. Tricky situation that.
• 1:26:58
  Yeah, I don't know. Like you move up the distance
• 1:27:03
  because he's not getting on well with the smiling.
• 1:27:06
  Well, he still ran at 353, but not when everyone else is
• 1:27:09
  running like 348. You mean when 16 year olds are
• 1:27:14
  running 348? Yeah, like that is.
• 1:27:17
  Yeah, I don't know what I'm thinking.
• 1:27:19
  Have you had a chat about that? We have, yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Yeah. Did you, did you hear the
• 1:27:23
  interview from his dad? No.
• 1:27:26
  Talking a bit to Ryan like he's dead.
• 1:27:29
  So his dad's was the quite a runner himself and you know, New
• 1:27:34
  Zealand have such a rich, rich history of like middle distance
• 1:27:38
  runners. We'd like John Walker, I think
• 1:27:40
  had the record from like 82. And so they and so you can hear
• 1:27:44
  his dad trying to process that like his son, his 16 year old
• 1:27:47
  son, which like you imagine as a parent and you've got a kid,
• 1:27:51
  right? Like he's still essentially a a
• 1:27:53
  child that you're responsible for and he's trying to process
• 1:27:56
  it. My child just be what would have
• 1:27:58
  been one of my heroes of running growing up this time.
• 1:28:02
  And he's still a kid And then he's trying and he's like he's
• 1:28:05
  meant to start school this week, New Zealand school.
• 1:28:08
  Well, yeah, I've just gone back similar to Oz.
• 1:28:11
  And so he's like, like, what are we doing?
• 1:28:14
  Like, what do I do? And like, he's, he was talking
• 1:28:16
  about Junior World champs, but he would have just run a
• 1:28:18
  qualified for senior world champs, right?
• 1:28:21
  Yeah. And so you can skip it.
• 1:28:22
  Yeah. So you can just hear his mind
• 1:28:24
  trying to turn over like, and he's still got another year
• 1:28:27
  because I think they run Junior World champs every two years, so
• 1:28:30
  another two years of eligibility.
• 1:28:32
  So you can hear him trying to process the result and know what
• 1:28:36
  to do, to do the best thing by his son and him as the athlete,
• 1:28:41
  but then him with the, you know, the education you'll carry with
• 1:28:44
  you for a long time. So and those memories as kids,
• 1:28:48
  you know, you wanted to still have them.
• 1:28:49
  If it was your son, would you keep him in skill?
• 1:28:52
  I'd try to as best you can. I think you'd you'd try and
• 1:28:55
  merge it. I think you'd still want him to
• 1:28:59
  you. You still want him to experience
• 1:29:00
  things of being a kid, I think. Apparently he they're all so him
• 1:29:06
  and your man Sam Tanner and Hayden Wilde from this area
• 1:29:10
  called is it Taranga or something like that.
• 1:29:14
  Eldoret. What the what?
• 1:29:18
  A10 No, I just made the EH, as in like some.
• 1:29:21
  It's like the eh New Zealand equivalent of where all the eh
• 1:29:24
  Kenyan athletes come from. Something in the water, Owen.
• 1:29:29
  Yeah, must get over here as well.
• 1:29:32
  Even though that Boston track, apparently.
• 1:29:35
  It is a here we go, here we go. Apparently it's like springs
• 1:29:39
  that's next year. I'll be on the I'm each is over
• 1:29:43
  there. Some 4 minute mile coming out
• 1:29:47
  no. No, no, no, no, but no.
• 1:29:50
  I'd love to go over there and let's say do a mile 3 KA 50 like
• 1:29:54
  a 5K Be so fun. Such an expensive trip, but I
• 1:29:58
  think it might be worth it if you get there, if you're over
• 1:30:00
  there fit and healthy. But yeah, I see the snow over
• 1:30:05
  there. I think I've seen that video of
• 1:30:07
  Sam Ruth and Tanner, like jogging around a car park or
• 1:30:10
  something. It looks outrageous.
• 1:30:13
  Yeah, to look pretty cool. You know, the scary thing about
• 1:30:16
  that? Perhaps this is his, his like,
• 1:30:19
  immaturity coming through as like a refreshing, like fresh
• 1:30:24
  perspective. In his interview afterwards, he
• 1:30:26
  literally says, I think I could go faster.
• 1:30:29
  Like a much a more mature athlete probably might be aware
• 1:30:32
  of it, but maybe they wouldn't say it.
• 1:30:34
  Whereas he's just like, oh, that was good room, but like my legs
• 1:30:37
  were heavier, I'll go faster. But like, surely he is 16.
• 1:30:41
  Like, he's hardly reached his ceiling.
• 1:30:44
  He might have like, you never know, Some people pop off and
• 1:30:47
  then you never hear them again. But like 16 like how fast can he
• 1:30:51
  go? It is physically, yeah.
• 1:30:55
  Yeah. It did make me think like,
• 1:30:56
  because the likes of say, Cam and Sam, like these and yeah,
• 1:31:01
  Cobb, like bringing these incredibly talented athletes
• 1:31:07
  into the sport of running, like, you know, it's a bit of a
• 1:31:12
  movement back towards athletics and getting all really talented
• 1:31:15
  people into athletics. And I wonder with some of these
• 1:31:18
  East African nations where it is their national sport that
• 1:31:22
  perhaps, you know, sometimes I'm quick to be skeptical around
• 1:31:27
  some of the ages of some of these young athletes.
• 1:31:29
  But when you go through some of the names that have also run
• 1:31:33
  similarly good times at a young age, they are probably, you
• 1:31:36
  know, I suspect it's they're not all being illegitimately labeled
• 1:31:41
  as, you know, 17 for the purpose of making a world junior team.
• 1:31:45
  Like, I know there's been a bit of history of that.
• 1:31:48
  There, did you watch the shot put during the the stream?
• 1:31:53
  Oh, loosely, yeah. Mom, there was like a 19 year
• 1:31:57
  old kid and he looked like a fully blown man mountain.
• 1:32:02
  I was like this kids, hardly 19. Amazing.
• 1:32:06
  Chelsea. I don't know.
• 1:32:09
  I think you're somewhere in Africa.
• 1:32:10
  I don't know. But it yeah, he just didn't look
• 1:32:14
  like a 19 year old kid. But that being said, what about
• 1:32:17
  how old do you think Luke Littler is?
• 1:32:19
  Oh yeah, he's, yeah, he's only 18.
• 1:32:22
  Yeah, it looks 40. But like, you put Cam Myers
• 1:32:27
  besides that shop putter and you're like, Nope, no chance
• 1:32:30
  he's the same age or even look littler for that.
• 1:32:32
  Yeah. That's what the kebab diet will
• 1:32:35
  do to you. Yeah.
• 1:32:37
  We have we have some more news. We've got the Maragami half.
• 1:32:42
  Dean, join a lead on this. I can, yeah.
• 1:32:44
  Yeah. So.
• 1:32:46
  I think it's very fitting that it was literally this day last
• 1:32:50
  year. We we were on it.
• 1:32:52
  How's that hey? Yeah, this one.
• 1:32:55
  Bizarre to think about, but yeah.
• 1:32:58
  So marigami is is it a fishing village?
• 1:33:04
  You know, what is it? A few hour bullet train ride
• 1:33:06
  from from Tokyo and it's where the likes of Callum Hawkins ran
• 1:33:15
  has run 60 minutes flat Our the Australian half marathon record
• 1:33:20
  speed set by Brett Robinson 5957 so and Izzy back Doyle on the
• 1:33:26
  same day that we ran set the women's half record was at 67
• 1:33:32
  low right 60. Yeah, like 715.
• 1:33:35
  Or. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:39
  When we were there last year. So we all ran the the half
• 1:33:41
  marathon last year, albeit the oh, and you were having to leave
• 1:33:45
  slightly after us because they wouldn't because there was
• 1:33:49
  complications, right, In terms of getting you into the race as
• 1:33:52
  there sometimes is, as it seems with some of these races.
• 1:33:56
  Yeah, so because I hadn't, yeah, it's I think it's crazy, the
• 1:34:00
  standards. So to get into the A wave, you
• 1:34:03
  have to either run a sub 230 marathon or a sub 30 minute 10K,
• 1:34:10
  which I think are just two totally different times.
• 1:34:13
  And I hadn't run either. So yeah, I was shot put in the B
• 1:34:17
  wave. And normally like you're like,
• 1:34:20
  all right, they go off together. You can catch them, but I don't
• 1:34:23
  know why it's bizarre. They let the you guys in the A
• 1:34:26
  wave out and the night to wait for 15 minutes.
• 1:34:30
  So it was basically 2 totally separate races.
• 1:34:32
  And it looked like 2 totally separate races.
• 1:34:34
  So when Ryan and I finished, we could get to wait to watch your
• 1:34:37
  race and you're, you're effectively one or a second in
• 1:34:40
  your race, right. But the, but the, the race that
• 1:34:44
  we had gone for was the, the race that Ryan and I set off in.
• 1:34:49
  And that attracted a great field both in terms of the corporate
• 1:34:56
  semi slash professional athletes as well as a lot of the college
• 1:35:00
  athletes or university athletes over there.
• 1:35:03
  And you could see them because they're all in their university
• 1:35:05
  colours. And I think for context, like
• 1:35:07
  say Brett ran 61 high there last year and I think he was 70
• 1:35:12
  something. So it just talks to just how
• 1:35:15
  phenomenally deep this race is. And it's it's an out and back,
• 1:35:19
  you turn around pretty much a halfway finishes on an athletics
• 1:35:23
  field. When we did it, what was it
• 1:35:26
  about 6-7 degrees? Race starts at 10:30 AM.
• 1:35:31
  It was just cold. I just remember it being cold,
• 1:35:33
  wasn't it when we started? Yeah.
• 1:35:36
  Delayering right on the start line where I mean stashing it in
• 1:35:39
  a Bush. Yeah.
• 1:35:42
  But in terms of depth, like finding a group to run in is no
• 1:35:45
  issue, very much like what I mentioned like the Valencia
• 1:35:48
  race, you can settle in with with folks.
• 1:35:51
  I was just gonna say, I'd say like the depth is very, very
• 1:35:53
  similar as in like if you're in the first group, it's just a big
• 1:35:57
  wave of people and you're just constantly running with someone
• 1:36:00
  or picking someone off or yeah. Not completely pancake flat, I
• 1:36:04
  would say was there. I can't remember if it was on
• 1:36:07
  the way out or way back, but there was there's some small
• 1:36:10
  pinches wasn't there just into, you know, like that you just
• 1:36:13
  would roll over. But if you, you're really on
• 1:36:15
  your rivet, you, you feel them. It's funny, we when we chatted
• 1:36:20
  to Brett after the race last year, he was like, hey, when I
• 1:36:24
  ran my Aussie record, I didn't notice any of those little
• 1:36:27
  dimples. But he's like, fuck, I felt all
• 1:36:29
  of them. When we you know, when that this
• 1:36:32
  time around which I could empathize with because yeah, I
• 1:36:35
  blew up at about 10K Venterza results this year.
• 1:36:41
  It wasn't as deep, was it? No, not from.
• 1:36:45
  So from a Japanese perspective, I think it was the first time a
• 1:36:48
  Japanese runner had broken 60 minutes last year and there was
• 1:36:51
  multiple and they ran. I thought it was like 50
• 1:36:53
  nineteens last year. Is that right?
• 1:36:55
  Around 5917, nineteen in that sort of range.
• 1:37:00
  But yeah, the person that won was is it Richard Etia, who is
• 1:37:06
  Japanese Kenyan born, but Japanese BA runs for a Japanese
• 1:37:12
  university over there. So he spent his time over there
• 1:37:15
  and he ran a university record of 59 O 7, which is very
• 1:37:22
  impressive performance. And he was, he was well clear of
• 1:37:26
  second who was in sixty O 6. I did see the Sprint finish for
• 1:37:30
  3rd and 4th. The 3rd place athlete was is it
• 1:37:36
  Santiago? Is it?
• 1:37:40
  Yeah, yeah. So that was a Uruguayan record I
• 1:37:44
  think in 6021. But yeah, it looked like AI
• 1:37:51
  don't know how to get too much. I tried to find a stream for it.
• 1:37:54
  Did you guys catch any of the coverage?
• 1:37:58
  I didn't even try try and find a Japanese stream and a theater in
• 1:38:02
  Japanese or impossible to get. I went on to is it watch
• 1:38:05
  athletics, you know, they sometimes will post where to
• 1:38:08
  find the live results in the live stream.
• 1:38:10
  And I went through all that and I just.
• 1:38:11
  Yeah. I went to like Japan running
• 1:38:14
  news and they were kind of like posting semi updates on Twitter
• 1:38:18
  or X which is like semi useful. They are the a video of like the
• 1:38:22
  start line and then they would say the leaders are through like
• 1:38:25
  10K in this on the on for this pace, which is like good insight
• 1:38:29
  to be fair, considering there's no stream.
• 1:38:32
  But yeah, I was just waiting for the results to flash off.
• 1:38:36
  I think Sandra Mohan was also in the field, which is like quite
• 1:38:39
  random. He finished eighth and 6046.
• 1:38:43
  Yeah, I think he's run that race before.
• 1:38:44
  I mean, he runs a few races. I think he's missed his best
• 1:38:47
  time from his when he ran 205 was from a Japanese marathon,
• 1:38:51
  wasn't. It it's funny the way.
• 1:38:54
  No. She's going to say when you see
• 1:38:57
  like in a Japanese race like this, if you see a couple of
• 1:38:59
  Westerners, it's weird. It wouldn't be weird if there's
• 1:39:03
  no Westerners, and it wouldn't be weird if there was a shit
• 1:39:06
  load the Westerners. But the fact is like two or
• 1:39:09
  three or three or four, It's like how come either no one else
• 1:39:14
  is onto it, or in our case, how come we're onto it and no one
• 1:39:18
  else is? Did you see what they split 10K
• 1:39:22
  in? Yeah, sub 28 wasn't.
• 1:39:24
  It yeah, like 28, yeah, 50 odd not bad, not bad going that was
• 1:39:30
  the top what top eight? We're all in that, that group,
• 1:39:35
  yeah, 14 minutes through 5K and then got slightly quicker
• 1:39:39
  between 5:00 and 10:00, so rolling pretty fast.
• 1:39:43
  That was, I don't know if you see in on that Japan running
• 1:39:47
  news, they posted a video of like the that Richard the tier
• 1:39:51
  guy like doing the, you know, those 3/4 of a lap at the
• 1:39:54
  stadium when he finishes. And straightaway I noticed
• 1:39:57
  there's like flag poles with like Kagawa Maragami or whatever
• 1:40:01
  the flag is and they are like stiff as in the wind.
• 1:40:05
  And I was trying to look at it and work out which way it was
• 1:40:08
  blowing. And I think Alish Mccolgan's
• 1:40:12
  husband or partner posted something saying about like a
• 1:40:16
  headwind for 8 miles. I don't understand how it can be
• 1:40:19
  for 8 miles given it to out and back.
• 1:40:21
  But. I take his point that the
• 1:40:23
  headwind was on the return like so I think it was a pretty ugly
• 1:40:27
  second-half in terms of conditions.
• 1:40:30
  And what Aussies had Liam Burton in the race who ran 6126 which
• 1:40:36
  moves him to 37th all time? Oh sorry, no, it was 37th in the
• 1:40:40
  race, 12th full time Aussie. Pretty solid.
• 1:40:45
  Yeah, good run. And then in the women's race,
• 1:40:48
  and I would imagine they would have been fairly well enveloped
• 1:40:52
  by the men, right, As was the case when we did it, it's sort
• 1:40:55
  of hard to to find a lot of the race, so I can't quite make out
• 1:41:02
  the name of the winner. Dolphin, Amare or Amare Dolphin?
• 1:41:09
  I'm not sure which way. This is terrible.
• 1:41:13
  There's three names on the piece of paper.
• 1:41:15
  Amare, Dolphin, Nyabo. I think that might be the the
• 1:41:19
  way round it is. And second was Ailish Mccolgan.
• 1:41:23
  Third. Yeah, I can't.
• 1:41:25
  Again, I'm struggling with this. Suzanne Comasso and then Izzy,
• 1:41:30
  but Doyle 4th. Charlotte Perdue was further
• 1:41:36
  down in 11th. And in between them is a host of
• 1:41:39
  Japanese athletes. Yeah, so the winning time 6615
• 1:41:44
  for the Kenyan girl. Ailish ran 67 O 8 and Izzy in
• 1:41:48
  fourth in 6815. I'm looking at the splits here
• 1:41:52
  and it's really hard to see which way the headwind and
• 1:41:55
  tailwind was because in the lads between their 15 split was
• 1:42:02
  faster than their 20K split. So that 5K.
• 1:42:06
  So you presume from 15 to 20 there was a bit of a headwind
• 1:42:09
  but in the women a lot on them have gone faster from 15 to 20.
• 1:42:14
  Like they speed up instead of slowing down which is it's hard
• 1:42:18
  to tell like as McCall can actually speed up in that period
• 1:42:21
  whereas the winner of the lads actually slowed down.
• 1:42:24
  Because the bloody sensible mate.
• 1:42:25
  And they met. They measure their races better
• 1:42:27
  than those fellas. But it's hard to see which way
• 1:42:31
  the headwind was if it was super strong.
• 1:42:33
  Like it doesn't seem to be a massive like slow down, forget
• 1:42:37
  me. Yeah, you think it'd be more
• 1:42:39
  obvious? Yeah.
• 1:42:41
  So basically wind is not an excuse.
• 1:42:45
  We've come to the conclusion here.
• 1:42:47
  We. Go no those those.
• 1:42:49
  It's just in your head blistering.
• 1:42:52
  To get over it. Should we rewind?
• 1:42:55
  Was it port to pub? No.
• 1:42:56
  What was the but but bluff to? Don't get me chocolate.
• 1:43:02
  Wasn't wasn't there wind there? There was Wind Hills.
• 1:43:09
  No, I was just wrote after I was cooked.
• 1:43:12
  I was cooked. I was in the oven, Yeah, not a
• 1:43:16
  good experience. Injured.
• 1:43:19
  We should say I think that given the wind, that's a great run by
• 1:43:24
  Izzy. It's her second fastest half
• 1:43:26
  ever. Like it's easy to look at that
• 1:43:28
  and be like, Oh yeah, but she's national record holder.
• 1:43:30
  She's around a minute and a half quicker, but I don't, I
• 1:43:34
  genuinely don't think conditions allowed for it.
• 1:43:37
  Which also makes a Lish Mccolgans 67 O 8 insanely
• 1:43:43
  impressive and I know a. She's run 65.
• 1:43:48
  She's run. 65 she's national record dollar 6543 It's also her
• 1:43:53
  third fastest time ever boss. Wait for Izzy, for Izzy, go on.
• 1:43:58
  So Izzy has run 67 low and then our second fastest time is that
• 1:44:03
  6851. Yeah, and then she's peppered
• 1:44:07
  like 69 a few times. Wow, that's crazy.
• 1:44:12
  Marigami last year was the perfect storm if you're in the
• 1:44:15
  seated stars. Ouch, I think we should have
• 1:44:24
  marigami again. A highway guy.
• 1:44:27
  Boston next year, Marigami the year after, and then we all go
• 1:44:31
  Boston like a American Marathon. Boston will be you indoor race
• 1:44:37
  into a into a marathon. Why not?
• 1:44:42
  Yeah. A licious time, though I know
• 1:44:44
  you point out that she's she's run 65 only, with a 67 there
• 1:44:50
  yesterday. Only Paula Radcliffe, Carly
• 1:44:53
  Thackery and Jess Warner George have ever ran first faster than
• 1:44:57
  that time, which puts it in pretty good stead as it is.
• 1:45:01
  Yeah, she's wait till Paula Radcliffe has only ran 6647 and
• 1:45:08
  she's ran 215. 214 hasn't she? Does that add up?
• 1:45:14
  Based on the typical maths, no. No super.
• 1:45:19
  She's a double +7. Yeah.
• 1:45:22
  Yeah, no super shoes. That's a.
• 1:45:25
  Wow. We should we should we should
• 1:45:27
  check confirm this. I think she's 215, Paula.
• 1:45:31
  Yeah. Oh yeah, OK.
• 1:45:34
  She ran that two, that 66 in Bristol.
• 1:45:39
  I've never heard of Bristol being fast to be honest.
• 1:45:43
  That's a fairpoint. Who wants to go to Bristol and
• 1:45:47
  run anyway? Nobody.
• 1:45:51
  It's funny, like seeing marigami crop up had me thinking about
• 1:45:54
  last year and one of the parts which stands out mostly in my
• 1:45:59
  mind is so just have to check the results here to see who the
• 1:46:02
  guy was who won. It was Alexander Munyao.
• 1:46:05
  Remember him? He's won London and maybe
• 1:46:07
  another major marathon. And because we had that stupid
• 1:46:12
  seeded start, somehow Dean and I got into like the elites.
• 1:46:17
  I don't think it was like the warm up area, but we kind of
• 1:46:19
  don't like the little walk out or something with them.
• 1:46:22
  Didn't we remember when we were doing strides there?
• 1:46:24
  And there's like Rory Linklater, Izzy Breath, Andy Jake ran to
• 1:46:30
  Japan, was there and it was so funny.
• 1:46:34
  Like I was just looking around thinking, what am I doing here?
• 1:46:37
  Like that is the the peak imposter syndrome I've ever had.
• 1:46:41
  Didn't you then text, didn't you say to Brett?
• 1:46:42
  I'll text you later. Caught caught eyes with Brett
• 1:46:47
  and said we'll have a beer later mate.
• 1:46:50
  But I remember hearing Izzy say to it maybe it was like Andy as
• 1:46:53
  well. Like is that the guy off YouTube
• 1:46:56
  about Jay? Because obviously, like he was,
• 1:46:58
  he was on YouTube back then, but it was nowhere near as big as he
• 1:47:01
  is now. He blew up after he came on this
• 1:47:05
  podcast, didn't he? The inflection point like like
• 1:47:11
  my life type did. Nice, we are still going on the
• 1:47:15
  agenda because London Marathon have released their fields for
• 1:47:20
  next year I. Don't know if you caught wind
• 1:47:22
  next month. Yeah, April, rather next
• 1:47:27
  rendition of. I don't know if you caught wind
• 1:47:30
  of them, but they're rather obscene, both in terms of
• 1:47:34
  international talent and homegrown talent.
• 1:47:37
  Yeah, I was like, do you remember we were talking about
• 1:47:40
  the Boston fields recently and I was like, far out, they're
• 1:47:43
  stacked. And so then to see another one,
• 1:47:45
  you're like, yeah. That's where O'berry's gone.
• 1:47:49
  You think O'berry's not doing Boston, she's going to London.
• 1:47:53
  Must have got a pretty decent incentive.
• 1:47:56
  Absolutely. She's not going there for free.
• 1:48:00
  Shit, yeah, look at that women's field takes the Safa, Saffan
• 1:48:03
  Hassan, Jeff Cos guy Jeff Church here, O'berry.
• 1:48:07
  That is five, like, multiple major winners, Olympic
• 1:48:11
  champions, world champions, usually.
• 1:48:13
  Like, if there's two, that's a good battle.
• 1:48:16
  And then these like kind of fill around that five with two 11213,
• 1:48:22
  two 14214, and then Helen O'berry.
• 1:48:26
  And then from a British angle, you've got Charlotte Purdue,
• 1:48:30
  222, Rose Harvey 223, Abby Donnelly, 224, Hailish
• 1:48:34
  Mcculligan, 224, Josh Warner Judd, 224.
• 1:48:38
  The Uruguayan girl who finished, was she second?
• 1:48:42
  Dean? You were talking about her last
• 1:48:43
  week in the World Champs marathon.
• 1:48:45
  She's there. It's yeah, is are these going to
• 1:48:50
  dominate this year? Is that the world major is going
• 1:48:52
  to be the the marquee distance events and and there's even some
• 1:48:56
  very impressive athletes choosing to debut.
• 1:48:59
  Isn't there like feels like these fields are just getting
• 1:49:02
  and the budgets must be very good and very good from a
• 1:49:06
  spectator perspective. Yeah, have.
• 1:49:10
  Speaking of debuts, Kajalja is listed as a marathon debut in
• 1:49:14
  the men's field. He's former world half marathon
• 1:49:19
  record holder, isn't he? Yeah, 57.
• 1:49:23
  The most unlike yeah, 5731 or something.
• 1:49:28
  So that you've got him debut in Sawway 202, Kaplimo 202 and that
• 1:49:36
  Theresa Galarta 202. There's 3202 guys.
• 1:49:40
  Toler has won it multiple times. Plus Kajasha break 204. 203
• 1:49:46
  probably wins it I assume. London can be hit, London can be
• 1:49:50
  fast and it can be. It's really weird.
• 1:49:53
  It was really warm last year apparently.
• 1:49:55
  Yeah. Was it when keep Chogi or no who
• 1:49:58
  was who's the current record keep kept him?
• 1:50:04
  Yeah, he didn't he what? That was when he he absolutely
• 1:50:09
  ripped 1, didn't he? I'm pretty sure.
• 1:50:11
  Yeah, like a 201 or something there.
• 1:50:13
  I think so, yeah. And so with Saway and Kaplimo,
• 1:50:19
  there's been chatter of like, could 2 hour barrier fall?
• 1:50:22
  Will will they have a a go at it here?
• 1:50:26
  Because Saways, who had a go at Berlin, didn't he?
• 1:50:34
  And unfortunately was not dealt the best conditions but still
• 1:50:38
  went through halfway in like 60 flash.
• 1:50:42
  So we've been there once before. Yeah.
• 1:50:46
  And then Joshua Chip Chipser, guys, there come war, War
• 1:50:50
  Petros. From a British perspective,
• 1:50:54
  you've got Emil Mohammed, Mohammed, Phil Sussman, Paddy
• 1:50:57
  Diva. From an Irish point of view,
• 1:51:00
  Peter Lynch is in there. Aussies have got Tim Vincent's
• 1:51:03
  Water start list, that is for him to make and Liam Burton's in
• 1:51:08
  there as well. Further down the British one,
• 1:51:12
  Jake Smith, Mark Scott, Jack Rowe, Alfie Manthorpe's making
• 1:51:15
  his debut. It's just and Jake Barraclough's
• 1:51:18
  there as well. He's trying to do the Phil
• 1:51:21
  Sessman build. I think he's running Tokyo 8
• 1:51:23
  weeks before, which yeah, can either go one of two ways.
• 1:51:32
  But super excited for Alfie. Like, yeah, he could pop off.
• 1:51:38
  He obviously he's gone. I'd probably gone for the
• 1:51:40
  European standard, which is I want to say two O 930 or
• 1:51:45
  something like that, which is definitely within Israel.
• 1:51:49
  House is just I think Ralphie is just a fueling.
• 1:51:51
  Like he's nailed 1/2 and we've seen people nailed 1/2 and just
• 1:51:55
  falter in the marathon. So yeah, he's off to spend last
• 1:51:59
  three weeks in Sierra Nevada with grin.
• 1:52:01
  So he's either going to be cooked or it's going to be
• 1:52:05
  flying. Yeah.
• 1:52:10
  I'm sort of excited to see the I'm excited to see the
• 1:52:14
  Youtubers. So I think there is a Hugo for
• 1:52:16
  Joe Hugo Frye. Is he doing Boston or he's doing
• 1:52:19
  Boston? But Cole Gibbons, Cole running,
• 1:52:22
  he's doing London as well. So excited to see how because
• 1:52:25
  he's right. I think around 216 last year and
• 1:52:28
  I think he last week he ran like 250 kilometers or something nuts
• 1:52:32
  and he said he's feeling good, which I don't know how and but
• 1:52:36
  yeah, I'd be impressed to see how he goes because he's getting
• 1:52:38
  coached now by Ben Connor, you know, Ben Connor.
• 1:52:43
  Yeah, yeah. And Lily Partridge, a little
• 1:52:45
  coaching. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:46
  So, yeah. So I'd love to go over and look
• 1:52:49
  at it at these races. I don't know if we better seen
• 1:52:52
  it in person or actually watching it, because at least
• 1:52:54
  when you're watching it, you sort of you get the commentary
• 1:52:57
  and all. But I think the atmosphere if
• 1:52:59
  you went over would be so good as well.
• 1:53:00
  Even just like after seeing I'm grin in like the Flash in
• 1:53:04
  Valencia, I'd love to see these boys moving like in the
• 1:53:07
  marathon. And just yeah, there we go.
• 1:53:10
  Yeah, that's got absolutely hooking 201K now, just making it
• 1:53:13
  look like they're jogging. Yeah.
• 1:53:15
  Be crazy. Paddy Diva, by the way, after
• 1:53:19
  was it New York, he finished fourth or something last year,
• 1:53:22
  wasn't it? Then can he go and run a fast
• 1:53:25
  one here at London, a meal trying to retain his status of
• 1:53:28
  being the current best British marathoner assessment, trying to
• 1:53:32
  make the step up to take it off them.
• 1:53:35
  This is all sorts going on. But yeah, we've got weeks and
• 1:53:39
  weeks to talk about this and we are two hours deep into this
• 1:53:44
  podcast episode, so. We shall run the last double
• 1:53:47
  training news. I don't know if you guys have
• 1:53:49
  one Owen and I deemed offline it was immaterial.
• 1:53:56
  They didn't wager enough money to really get a shout out, did
• 1:53:58
  they? Just a little slap on the wrist.
• 1:54:01
  Yeah, that was that was what we said little.
• 1:54:05
  Come on guys. Well, we may talk about it now
• 1:54:07
  that we've. Mentioned something?
• 1:54:08
  You might make the news. That's right, yeah.
• 1:54:11
  Did you notice? Yeah.
• 1:54:12
  Did you notice? Is it?
• 1:54:14
  I've forgotten her name but she had a a bit more of a dip didn't
• 1:54:18
  she? Yeah, but she just, all right.
• 1:54:19
  Basically, guys, a couple of people got what they were
• 1:54:23
  gambling on, like the World Championships when they're
• 1:54:25
  competing. So if you're actually competing,
• 1:54:27
  if you're a professional runner, you cannot put money on your
• 1:54:31
  sport basically. And a few people have got caught
• 1:54:35
  but like 1 lad got, I think he bet like £300 or something and
• 1:54:40
  then he admitted it. So he got like 3 months which is
• 1:54:42
  nothing but there was this in. Prison or suspension?
• 1:54:46
  Suspension prison would be harsh.
• 1:54:50
  I think the most was a French middle distance runner.
• 1:54:53
  She won five grand off a €2000 bat in the 2024 European
• 1:55:01
  Championships in Rome and she just had to give like the three
• 1:55:05
  grand she made she had to give to charity.
• 1:55:07
  So just little slaps on the wrist.
• 1:55:09
  It's not too crazy. They should have put the house
• 1:55:11
  on it. Man and all they should have
• 1:55:14
  gone to the world champs and when Carl Hawker was getting 8
• 1:55:16
  to one for the 5K yeah. Or Jordy Beamish.
• 1:55:22
  He would have man. Kind of.
• 1:55:25
  He would have, yeah, If he'd if he'd found that in the form
• 1:55:29
  guide, you would have been doing better than most.
• 1:55:33
  Yes, they actually. Didn't know they couldn't.
• 1:55:34
  Bet that was their argument. Yeah.
• 1:55:37
  Which is. Probably fair enough.
• 1:55:38
  You're. Not betting on your event?
• 1:55:41
  Wondering where they found the Lions?
• 1:55:47
  So I may have had a look at ahead of Milrose again, just to
• 1:55:52
  try for for research purposes, tried to understand who the
• 1:55:56
  markets might have thought were favorite for some of these
• 1:55:59
  races. Couldn't find anything. 117 year
• 1:56:02
  history can't now, can't put his act on it.
• 1:56:05
  Probably for the best. Have you seen the the German
• 1:56:08
  discus thrower Steven Richer? The well, they're just
• 1:56:12
  embarrassing him really because they've stated that he staked
• 1:56:15
  €40. Like come on, what?
• 1:56:17
  Just leave him out of it. He's not trying to do like
• 1:56:23
  inside the trade with not really EUR there, is he?
• 1:56:28
  How did they even ping him like that?
• 1:56:31
  They passed a wide net there to catch him anyway and you're
• 1:56:35
  literally in the jail anyway. Which do we need?
• 1:56:39
  We probably need to wrap wrap it up.
• 1:56:42
  Right in bed guys, if you. Have double trouble guys.
• 1:56:46
  I've got one. It's been sitting with me for a
• 1:56:50
  few weeks and I've kept forgetting about it.
• 1:56:52
  And as you will have picked up from my training recaps with the
• 1:56:56
  transition or the merger from running to cycle and it's people
• 1:57:01
  running and or walking in, well mainly walking to be fair in the
• 1:57:06
  cyclone lanes of footpaths, particularly when when it's a
• 1:57:10
  shared footpath, it's fine because it's just, it is what it
• 1:57:13
  is. You, you both have to appreciate
• 1:57:15
  and respect each other has the right to be there and just be
• 1:57:17
  safe about it. But when there's a bloody
• 1:57:20
  footpath right next to the cycle path, don't be so arrogant as to
• 1:57:24
  walk in the cycle path. High agree.
• 1:57:31
  I agree with this. I agree with that.
• 1:57:32
  In a straight in Australia, your facilities are incredible.
• 1:57:35
  You've got paths for walking and running and you've got a path
• 1:57:38
  for cycling. Like these are spoiled for
• 1:57:39
  choice. Here in Ireland, it's a war
• 1:57:41
  zone. Like you've got carriers on
• 1:57:43
  paths and bikes on. Yeah, it's just a war zone.
• 1:57:46
  So user spoiler for choice over there.
• 1:57:49
  I get yelled at occasionally because there's like slithers of
• 1:57:52
  walk path and I'm just running a little bit into their bike path.
• 1:57:57
  But like, you've got so much bike path, just go round.
• 1:58:00
  But you might make a sudden movement and then knock them
• 1:58:02
  off. They're flying.
• 1:58:04
  Slide it, but be careful. Go around.
• 1:58:07
  OK, what? Teens precious.
• 1:58:10
  No right? I agree, Ryan.
• 1:58:12
  I agree. No, I will put my hand up and
• 1:58:15
  say back in the day when I was a runner, I have, I have run on
• 1:58:20
  psychopaths because you think, Oh, well, if you're doing a
• 1:58:22
  session, then you, you're 1 above the walkers on The Walking
• 1:58:26
  path. Like you don't want to be
• 1:58:28
  sprinting past the walkers. You want to be in the fast lane
• 1:58:31
  basically. But then now as a cyclist, my
• 1:58:34
  perspective is shifted and it's a little bit dangerous if you're
• 1:58:37
  flying down there 40 KS an hour and there's people running.
• 1:58:41
  We've lost him on. He was in Lycra as well on
• 1:58:44
  Thursday. New new new top, new new Knicks
• 1:58:49
  went past me up Cardiacs saying, you know, hey mate, jump on if
• 1:58:54
  you can. What has happened?
• 1:58:58
  It's done, done, the come mate said.
• 1:59:00
  Catch me if you can. Cody shot.
• 1:59:06
  He did get to the top first. Well done.
• 1:59:10
  But yeah, you're a runner. I'm not.
• 1:59:12
  Anyway, guys, that's us. Big episode.
• 1:59:14
  Hope you enjoyed it. Let us know what you think.
• 1:59:17
  We'll be back next week to do it again.
• 1:59:19
  Happy 50th guys, cheers to another 50 more.
• 1:59:22
  Oh what we see the giveaway. See ya when.
• 1:59:27
  We. Say something about the
• 1:59:28
  giveaway. Shit, yeah, if we.
• 2:00:53
  Music.