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3 Guys Before The Game - Bill McKenzie Visits (Episode 639) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Showtime in the University City. We welcome you in. This
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  Speaker 1: I got a dandy, I got a classic. I got
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  Speaker 1: a good one for you. Bill McKenzie is our guest
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  Speaker 1: on three Guys Before the Game. Yes, that Bill McKenzie.
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  Speaker 1: a Lou Wendell boat up the Mon River to come
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  Speaker 1: into the stadium. Back in seventy five, the day hit.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you here with us. As you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a regular. During our summer season, we try
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  Speaker 1: to bring people together names that we oftentimes talk about
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  Speaker 1: that we just don't have the time to get to
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  Speaker 1: when the football and basketball seasons are underway. When this
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  Speaker 1: time of the year comes, we go like, okay, now
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  Speaker 1: we can finally sit down with some folks and spend
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  Speaker 1: a considerable chunk of time with them just to kind
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  Speaker 1: of like what's going on sometimes to confirm stories that
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  Speaker 1: you know, become sometimes urban legend. And we finally get
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  Speaker 1: him here and we say, okay, true or not true?
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  Speaker 1: We learn right, and we are thrilled to have Bill
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  Speaker 1: McKenzie with us. He I don't want to go over
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  Speaker 1: my skis here what you're about to, but I'm going to.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get over my skis and Hoppy,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to kind of you guys were basically
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  Speaker 1: in school together, you and Bill. But like, so I've
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  Speaker 1: been here for this will be coming up forty two years,
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  Speaker 1: so I have had a rich full dosage of Mountaineer
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  Speaker 1: sports and Mountaineer history. I in my brain think that
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  Speaker 1: your name is one of about five names in the
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  Speaker 1: history of West Virginia sports across the board that what
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  Speaker 1: forever reason is just iconic. It's just like it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be fifty years this year that you hit your field
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  Speaker 1: goal to beat Pitt, and yet for some reason it's
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  Speaker 1: like fifty days ago and people just go like Bill McKenzie,
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's this, it's a it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: foundational pillar in West Virginia sports history.
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  Speaker 2: Agree, hop, Oh absolutely. I think that's well said in
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  Speaker 2: that it is just synonymous with Mountaineer sports history, not
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  Speaker 2: just football history. And I was thinking coming in because
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  Speaker 2: how many times and it's great to see Bill in person.
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  Speaker 2: I look forward to hearing his stories is how many
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  Speaker 2: times in my lifetime because he and I are about
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  Speaker 2: the same age. I have a reference like Bill McKenzie.
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  Speaker 2: Bill McKenzie, you know, I've only met him in person
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  Speaker 2: maybe once or twice. But it's it is, it's just
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  Speaker 2: it's just amazing, which is one of my questions I
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  Speaker 2: have for him. But I will into that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be right.
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  Speaker 1: I think your question my question are going to be
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  Speaker 1: kind of the same, like do you have any idea
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  Speaker 1: that that exists?
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  Speaker 3: Not yes and no. I guess uh. You know, we're
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  Speaker 3: in Arizona. We've been in Arizona for quite a long time,
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  Speaker 3: off and on probably for almost twenty years, full time
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  Speaker 3: for a seven or eight, so I you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't get that much here. The people out there have
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  Speaker 3: heard the stories, or they'll get on I think it's
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  Speaker 3: YouTube and they'll talk about it and somebody will say,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have you seen this? So that I don't
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  Speaker 3: have a huge group of golfing guys, but there's probably
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  Speaker 3: twenty five or thirty that and every time a new
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  Speaker 3: guy comes up, they're going to say, you have to
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  Speaker 3: see he's a legend in Western you have to see
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  Speaker 3: the YouTube video. So you know, I pick up a
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  Speaker 3: stray another following guy or following person. I guess every
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  Speaker 3: every couple months.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're you're kind of like the musician who
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  Speaker 1: like even though like they go back to your old stuff, like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I never knew that existed, that guy like, and you
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  Speaker 1: just keep it keeps gaining, You just keep gaining.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we still play the hit every night part
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  Speaker 4: of two.
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  Speaker 5: Right, how long have we been had that open?
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  Speaker 1: Thirteen years?
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  Speaker 5: Fourteen years now.
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  Speaker 1: Every single night sports line that's part of the opening
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  Speaker 1: of our for those So there are obviously younger people
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  Speaker 1: that are watching listening to this. So just in case
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  Speaker 1: you don't know, the significance this is to me is
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  Speaker 1: the marriage of two of the most iconic things in
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  Speaker 1: WV sports history, one the voice of Jack Fleming and
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  Speaker 1: Bill's kick. He referenced YouTube, so it is available on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: So if our producer, Jake, if you would Buddy fire
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  Speaker 1: that up end of the West Virginia pit game nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy five, roll that bean video if you were.
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  Speaker 6: Four seconds on a stop fuck, Holy Mac, can you
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  Speaker 6: believe this? Bill McKenzie is on. He is two for
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  Speaker 6: five in field goal from the twenty eighth. It will
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  Speaker 6: be a thirty eight yard of ten. The snap McKenzie
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  Speaker 6: pitchs it in is long.
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  Speaker 7: Enough, McKenzie picks it.
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  Speaker 2: It is good.
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  Speaker 3: The ball game is over.
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  Speaker 7: McKenzie kicks a.
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  Speaker 6: Thirty eight yard field goal in.
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  Speaker 7: A final playing a football game. There's a mob seen
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  Speaker 7: out on the field.
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  Speaker 6: Come out in theirs, come out to their fans.
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  Speaker 2: What a mob seeing?
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  Speaker 7: You haven't seen anything like it. Bill McKenzie kicks a
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  Speaker 7: thirty eight yard field goal on the final player the
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  Speaker 7: football games West Virginia, moving the ball down to the
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  Speaker 7: twenty two and a half yard line on a pastor
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  Speaker 7: Radney Swinson, and then the field goal drive by McKenzie.
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  Speaker 6: I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 7: McKenzie, the sophomore from Horwood when the thing is kicking
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  Speaker 7: the shot career all right?
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  Speaker 1: So there it is a marriage made in football.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget that. I'm sure Bill would either about Greg Dorn,
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  Speaker 2: who was the snapper, absolutely, and who was the holder?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, And Tommy and I are on the
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  Speaker 3: bottom of that pile just trying to breathe.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen it countless times, you've heard it countless times.
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  Speaker 1: But when you watch it now, is it just is
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  Speaker 1: it just?
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  Speaker 3: It still gives me chickensk I got chicken skin right now?
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  Speaker 3: You still do still give chicken skin.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe it either. I know Jack Flemings. I
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  Speaker 3: would have loved to talk to him and say, what,
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  Speaker 3: just what part of that didn't you believe that I
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  Speaker 3: was going to make it, or that we came back,
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  Speaker 3: or what part of that didn't you believe? But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: I still get still get chicken skin.
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  Speaker 4: That does it feel like it was fifty years ago?
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  Speaker 4: It feels like it was ten years ago. What's the
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  Speaker 4: timeframe when you see that?
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't it feels well? Again, I've seen it, and
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  Speaker 3: don't take us wrong. I mean I've seen it a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time, and especially as I was talking about
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  Speaker 3: my golfing buddies, sure you know, every time one of
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  Speaker 3: them brings it up, it's like, yeah, okay, I've seen
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  Speaker 3: it a lot, but it does seem not fifty or
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  Speaker 3: not fifty years away.
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  Speaker 2: Right Hey, Bill, I want to read you from a
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  Speaker 2: story at w Athletics did in two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 2: about it. Mountaineer coach Bobby Bowden was looking for some
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  Speaker 2: reassurance from Frank Nestor, a reliable kicker for Balden for
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  Speaker 2: two years, who earlier was now serving as one of
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  Speaker 2: the assistants. Frank asked Bowden, can Mackenzie make the kick well? Coached,
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  Speaker 2: Nestor said, hedging his bets certainly within his range. But
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  Speaker 2: that's all I'm going to say.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Frank was a great help. And I guess if
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  Speaker 3: you talked to so I don't remember this, but if
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  Speaker 3: you talk to some of the other people the practice
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  Speaker 3: before the game, I guess I was anything but good
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  Speaker 3: at field goals. So they were all probably, yeah, had
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  Speaker 3: their fingers crossed or close their eyes or covered their
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  Speaker 3: head or something when that came up. But Frank was
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  Speaker 3: a big help.
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  Speaker 1: When you look back, and I think what makes this
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  Speaker 1: story even better is when you start to dig back,
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  Speaker 1: you were not a high school kicker. You were a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback defensive back. Correct, That was you were known and
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  Speaker 1: for those two positions.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. Yes, But again, one year we ended up I
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  Speaker 3: think with seventeen kids on our high school team. I
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  Speaker 3: think the most we ever had. We might have had twenty
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  Speaker 3: two one.
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  Speaker 2: Year at Warwood.
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  Speaker 3: At Warwood, yeah, I mean we were small, obviously, a
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  Speaker 3: small single a school. I think there was one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and two in my graduating class. So you didn't have
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  Speaker 3: to be really good. You just had to be better
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  Speaker 3: than sixteen other kids.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't like I was this outstanding person I which
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  Speaker 3: you could just throw better I guess than and we didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I remember one year, our first three games we lost
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  Speaker 3: twenty nine to nothing, sixty six to nothing in seventy
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  Speaker 3: to six. So when you say I kicked for the team, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean we scored a couple couple of touchdowns
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  Speaker 3: a year. We were doing pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And within three years the school closes and it
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  Speaker 1: consolidates in the Wheeling.
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  Speaker 3: Party Wheeling part. Yeah, seventy I graduated seventy four. I
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  Speaker 3: think seventy six was the last year of Warwood High
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  Speaker 3: and seventy seven I believe it was the first year
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  Speaker 3: Wheeling Park.
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  Speaker 1: And think about this, So obviously your name will forever
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  Speaker 1: be associated with that, Jack IDs you Wright Warwood. And
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  Speaker 1: then Chuck Howley obviously as a graduate of Warwood High School,
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  Speaker 1: he becomes an MVP in the Super Bowls of losing
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  Speaker 1: team on a losing team right there. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's that's kind of like that defies the mathematical
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  Speaker 1: odds to have two things like that.
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  Speaker 3: Ye never never met Chuck Howley. We had, Yeah, they
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  Speaker 3: had a Chuck Holly Award they'd gave there for the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of years of Warwood, which I was fortunate
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  Speaker 3: enough to win my senior year. But Chuck never Chuck
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  Speaker 3: never made it.
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  Speaker 1: Sure sure growing up in the Panhandle was back in
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  Speaker 1: that day, like what steel mills were cooking? Right, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it was it was going on there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, steel Wheeling, pet and Weirton Steel were Yeah, they
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  Speaker 3: were the big thing. It was a couple of coal
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  Speaker 3: mines around, but the steel mills. Yeah, that's where That's
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  Speaker 3: where most of the folks.
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  Speaker 1: Were growing up. Was Like what for you was it
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  Speaker 1: was college always going to be an option for you.
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  Speaker 1: How did the whole association with wv you come about?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean college always Yeah, I guess I never
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  Speaker 3: really thought about not going to college. That was just
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  Speaker 3: one of those things. How WVU came around. Well, like
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  Speaker 3: I said, I was a reasonable athlete. I guess football.
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  Speaker 3: I had a couple offers from you know, small schools,
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  Speaker 3: West Liberty High School. I wrestled in high school too,
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  Speaker 3: was pretty good. I guess I had a couple offers
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  Speaker 3: to wrestle. Must Gingham College, Bethany Road College, Yeah, right
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  Speaker 3: up to well, West Liberty is right up street too,
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  Speaker 3: And I just I don't know if I thought I
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  Speaker 3: could do better or what. And well, I guess one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that I think about it, I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go into engineering, and none of those schools had
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  Speaker 3: a real engineering program. They had what you called pre engineering,
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  Speaker 3: so you could go the first couple of years and
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  Speaker 3: get your math and science and that stuff out of
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  Speaker 3: the way, but you still had to transfer to go
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  Speaker 3: somewhere else anyway, which didn't make a whole lot of
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  Speaker 3: sense to me. So we just went to Morgantown.
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  Speaker 1: Came to Morgantown. And what were you led to believe
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  Speaker 1: about participating on the football program.
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  Speaker 2: At that time?
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  Speaker 3: I well, obviously I was a walk on, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't really I don't really remember going in there the
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  Speaker 3: first day and or talking to anybody about how do
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  Speaker 3: you walk on? I don't. I don't remember how that happened,
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  Speaker 3: but I do, And I guess you want to hear
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  Speaker 3: a story about how it all started. There was quite
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  Speaker 3: a few of us, obviously, walk on. When your walk on,
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  Speaker 3: they put a masking tape on your helmet with your
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  Speaker 3: last name, and then when you go out on the field,
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  Speaker 3: the coach, whatever coach you were assigned to, and clausing
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  Speaker 3: was clausing was the coach. I was there. He had
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  Speaker 3: defensive ends. I believe it was defensive tackles. Defensive ends.
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  Speaker 3: So the coach would grab you by the face mask
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  Speaker 3: and shake your head a little bit and say, Okay, Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 3: you go over there, or you know, whatever your name was,
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  Speaker 3: you go over there. So I held tackling dummies for
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  Speaker 3: those guys for a couple of weeks. I guess never
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  Speaker 3: even imagined that I would ever see the field. I
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  Speaker 3: honestly don't know what I was doing hanging around. I
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  Speaker 3: guess just something something to do after school, something to
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  Speaker 3: do after school. Yeah, and then uh, one day Rocky
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  Speaker 3: Ginola broke his leg. Are one of the equipment managers,
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  Speaker 3: Mark Sobray, went to Warwood High School. I ran track
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  Speaker 3: with Mark Sobray, and he came and saw me one
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  Speaker 3: of those days in the locker room and said, Bill,
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  Speaker 3: you know you they're looking for kickers. Rocky broke his
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  Speaker 3: or their scholarship player broke his leg. They're looking for kickers.
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  Speaker 3: I know you used to kick in high school. I
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  Speaker 3: think they're having tryouts, you know, pick a day of
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  Speaker 3: the week, Wednesday or something like that. So I said, well, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I went in and kind of got in line
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  Speaker 3: with a bunch of other folks. Frank Nester was there.
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  Speaker 3: I think he went out and we went out on
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  Speaker 3: a field after practice and I don't know, half a
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  Speaker 3: dozen of us or so, and they put a ball down,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and you're trying to kick, and I guess
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  Speaker 3: I did better than better than the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: kids were there. Frank at the time, let me use
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  Speaker 3: his square toed shoe. I had never even heard of
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  Speaker 3: a square toad.
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  Speaker 1: So in high school you didn't wear the square No.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even know what they were.
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  Speaker 4: And everybody was kicking straight on at this point. I
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  Speaker 4: we have a soccer style.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really, I don't remember. But anyway, Frank let
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  Speaker 3: me let me wear his square toed shoe. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: that was a tremendous help.
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  Speaker 1: The heck of a deal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a tremendous help.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's funny, like I said, if that was
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  Speaker 3: a Wednesday. The very next day, say it was a Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm trotting out there with the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the guys with you know, the masking table in my head,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like whoa hoa, Bill, whoa whoa. You're you
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  Speaker 3: go over there? No more, no more tackling dummies for you.
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  Speaker 3: You're over here with the kickers.
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  Speaker 1: The kickers.
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  Speaker 3: So that was my last tackling dummy holding day.
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  Speaker 1: So you did your apprenticeship holding the dummies, and then
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  Speaker 1: you go over and you start to kick.
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  Speaker 3: Start to kick. Yes, and then uh again, obviously I
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  Speaker 3: got to dress then had that not happened? There was
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  Speaker 3: no way I was ever going to dress for a
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  Speaker 3: football game. And then uh, the last ended up kicking
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  Speaker 3: for the last two games of my friend year, you know,
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  Speaker 3: believe it or not, made kicked five extra points, made
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  Speaker 3: them all and then started being the kicker again that
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  Speaker 3: they bought books for me.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The next the second semester of my freshman year, okay,
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  Speaker 3: and then it was on scholarship starting sophomore, junior, senior.
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  Speaker 1: So seventy five, you're on a scholarship. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Were you sitting there thinking, oh my gosh, look what
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  Speaker 4: has happened? Or did you just day by day just
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  Speaker 4: moved on to the next thing. Did you ever take
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  Speaker 4: a moment and soak it in?
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  Speaker 5: Or no, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so that doesn't. That doesn't ring a bell.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and again, well I knew i'd yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: come up, come home less bruised.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that was that was part of good part
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's pretty wild when you think about
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  Speaker 1: it in today's world. I mean, if a kid identifies
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  Speaker 1: as potentially a pretty good player, like by the time
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  Speaker 1: you were in ninth grade, you would have had a
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  Speaker 1: kicking coach, you would have gone to seventh you would
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  Speaker 1: have gone to seven kicking clinics, right, what happened?
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  Speaker 5: Ninth grade would have been behind? Yeah, yeah, that happened.
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  Speaker 5: Grady's already behind.
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  Speaker 1: And it just so yeah, and it just sounds like
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  Speaker 1: you just kind of wandered down said okay, what do
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  Speaker 1: you want to do? Okay, that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Well, again, this is fifty years ago.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I get it. So like you step on the floor
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: field in seventy four. You're a true freshman, so you're
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a year you're a year removed from playing at Warwood,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: as you said, with about twenty dudes on your team,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: and here you are, You're you're playing major college football.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Did that unnerve you at all? Just kind of like, yeah,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: what were you hearing from back home back then, that
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: had to be a big deal that you got onto
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the field.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I honestly I don't remember.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: You mean were you mean you weren't getting self calls
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: at that time from from.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Wed we didn't have cell phone. Might have got a
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: few notes or a couple of letters.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Post guarded bill. I hear things are going well down there.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: That that kind of a thing. So what was the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: what was the program back then? What was the what
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: was the feel inside the program? You had mentioned clousing,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Uh you mentioned obviously Bobby Bowden. Is that what was
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: that like for you to kind of get into that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: world and look around?
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Well again, I being kickers and nowadays, you know, I
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: don't know how much attention they get, But back then
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you were I won't say an afterthought, but almost and afterthought.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, you didn't really go to the offensive meetings.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: You didn't go to the defensive meetings. They didn't have
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: a kicker meeting.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. You did not have a kicker coach.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: No or Chuck Clausing was the coach when I was
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: a freshman, was the coach, but he had defensive end.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I think he had linebackers and defensive ends. That was
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: called Now Donnie Young, I think had linebackers, the defensive tackle,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: defensive ends. I think he was a defensive coordinator, so
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: he had other he had other stuff to do.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And I've always found this wild Bill and I and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to a large extent, it's it's pretty much the same
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: that we talked so much about offensive players and defensive
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: players and when they get recruited and everything like, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I still say to this day, specialists are not given
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the respect that they deserve for the absolute reason of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: what we just saw on that video, Like you can
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: do all of that stuff, but when the specialist comes
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: out and wins a game or loses a game. I've
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: always felt that there wasn't I think it's getting better.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying, Like you were like
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: over in the corner and like don't speak until spoken to.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: With with no net to practice in.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Oh no, well we didn't have a room in a
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: sidelines for net anyway.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Well that's right, yeah, I remember. Sure. So you were
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: just over there.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Try, you said, on the bleachers, and somebody'd tap you
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: on the helmet one of the yeah, one of the
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: fans that tap you on the helmet.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: You know that was a that was a good pit team. Yeah,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that I mean, And and I know I've read some
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: stories about I had forgotten my went back and read
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: some of the stories. But I mean, of course it
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: was a fourteen fourteen time. But as you often point
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: out when you're interviewed, that the defense did a good
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: job of forcing Pitt like two, a three and out right. Yeah. Now,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: and they had Tony Dorset and Matt Kavanaugh. That was
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: a good team.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, And again I know, I'll tell the story
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: till the day I die. If it wasn't for the defense,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I think Pitt had the ball first and ten with
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: less than a minute to go, Who in the world
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: would have ever believed we would even gotten the ball back,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: let alone, have you know, ten or twelve seconds or
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: some time to do something.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I looked at the scoring drive.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's the part that Jack Flumbing didn't believe.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Well, because I looked at this, I think their possession
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was less than sixty seconds. They might have had the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: ball for forty or fifty seconds on last position in
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: West Virginia's last possession. According to the stat is, ten
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: seconds was the total.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Time for one pass kend Or to Yeah, to Randy Twinson, Yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: one pass.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Who was clearly in bounds.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: We all know that you think hoppy in nowadays that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: might have been ruled out about well now the Statute
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: of Limitations passed.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: That that does bring you to my story that I'll
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: tell that I was at the game at the same age.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I was at school the same time as you were,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and I lived just up the street of McLean Avenue.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So we walked down the old stadium and it was
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: college days, had a terrible hangover. So we're sitting there,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: me and my boys, about five of us sitting there,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and when Pitt got the ball back and they go
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: three and out and it's going to end in a tie.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Fourteen fourteen, and that game was on television. That game
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: was on TV, which at Jackson Keith Jackson, Jim lamp
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: was on the sideline, which was really d Virginia like
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: never happened. So I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, this
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: thing's going to end at a tie. Let's just go
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: home and let's walk up there the house and watch
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the end.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Why are we not surprised by this? Bread? I mean,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: why are we not surprised?
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Ail from an event early.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine that you had you had somewhere to go nowhere,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So I was going to bail.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I was gonna leave, and all the all my boys said, no,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: we're staying. Well, you were saved. I was saved.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: You were saved.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: There, I was saved.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: I could rush the field. Huh did you rush the field?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everybody did.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Were you on that pile?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I was not on the pile, but I was on
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the field. And then again it turned into an all
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: night thing. I mean, you probably had somewhere to go,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: but it turned into an all night thing in Sunnyside.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It was the first. It was one of the first
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: sunny Side excessive party celebrations that we were part of.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Going on.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: A lot of things were burning, but it was you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: again in my history with mountaineer sports, that's that's my moment. Man.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: You've seen a lot, man, You've seen a lot of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: big moments.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was right there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Piles give me anxiety. You said you were on the bottom.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there a little bit, just hoping.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of like you have heard about
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: ball instricters. Yeah, you know, you lose a breath and
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: then you just keep losing that, Yeah, trying to keep
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: our lungs inflated. So we didn't.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And you you have the ball? Correct?
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Pardon you have the ball?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do tell that story.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one to walk out of it
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: right and make sure they got it to you. Bernie Kirshner.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And what was he doing in the stands, I have.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: No idea he was. I know he was on double
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: secret probation there at one time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, the story, he was on double.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: And he was not exactly sure what he did, but
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: he was on.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was at times in the doghouse with
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: coach Bowden and he was he was in the bowl.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: And but that's a great job by him.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Tell the story.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, from what I understand, he didn't readily give the
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: ball up. He to off up sunnyside that the managers
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: had to chase him down and offer him a different one.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Imagine that. Imagine that they were bummed out that they
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: lost a ball.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: They had a great moved by him though, to avoid
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: the rush sure and get the football and give it
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: to give it to Bill.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Yep, still has it?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yep, I do still have it. How about that Bernie's Yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I think he has a restaurant or a bar down
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: in Florida. Yeah, and I believe it or not, still
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: owing two hundred dollars from some long, long time ago.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I keep telling me about I'm coming down here one
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: of these days, but I haven't. I haven't made it yet.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Did you didn't forget you?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Did you have any idea when you kick that ball
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: in the game's over that afternoon, the significance that it
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: would happen.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know that anybody could have could have thought
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: about that. No, not a not a chance.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: When did it dawn on you that that was I mean,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I was thinking coming in. Let me ask you this
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that you've been asked about this over or under twenty
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: five hundred times easy over?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, over over.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Or under five thousand times over. Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that one. But I don't know.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: It's it's a lot, it's it's a lot of time.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: It's your and you're obviously in excellent health. And I
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: don't want to bump me out, but it's the first
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: line of your obituary a w V athletics. You know
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: when don't when?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why I got to put
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the guy in the ground. I mean, I know why
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you're sending a genda over there. I mean, where did
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that come from?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Understand what you're saying A defining It's.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Always define him, it will always define him.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of other things I'm sure as
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a decent human being that defined him. But in terms
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of WU sports, sure that's the definition. I'm not trying
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: to write your own by.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I hadn't thought of it. I hadn't thought of that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in there. That's in there.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Also, we were talking earlier before we started recording about
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: how time you know, goes by and things like that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: The thing that hit me I was thinking about this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that game, that kick. That was only five years before
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Neelan became the head coach. But for some reason, to me,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it seems like it was like generations earlier. Think about that,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Think about that. It seems like generation it was five
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: years now. Let me tell you this. When I get
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: scared you want to feel old, I'll make you feel old.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Well, you guys are real joy.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when can I.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Come back station back?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Think about this?
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Our guest list.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: So we're here today and it's twenty twenty five and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: we're talking about a game in nineteen seventy five, which
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: makes it fifty years ago. If you were if you
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: if you in nineteen seventy five, if you were sitting
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: around with your boys talking about a game that was
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: fifty years earlier at West Virginia, it would be the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty five game. Now, if that doesn't make you go, WHOA,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: what is up with that? And we sat around here
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: talking like it happened last week?
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think you know, based on that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Bill that I said, I've told a bunch of people
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm excited we're gonna talk to Bill McKenzie.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: There is a younger generation even of Mountain Your fans
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that that don't know Okay, I mean people who know
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the program intimately know it, Brian Brad. But there is
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: a generation like if somebody when I was in schoolhen
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: somebody started telling me about rat Rodgers, like I wouldn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: have any idea, Like Mickey for Ferry's telling stories about
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: rat Rodgers.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You remember Mickey. Mickey used to tell us
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: like these stories and like we would look at him
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: like sideways, going like Mickey, like I don't, I don't
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: The sun Bowl nineteen. What I we don't, I mean no,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And we would look at him like it was two
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: hundred years ago, like Ben Franklin was in the stance,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and now we're sitting there and we're talking about fifty
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: years ago like it was last week.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Bill.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: You said he had no idea what that moment would become.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: How about Bobby Bowden any idea, any inkling that he
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: would go on to become who he was in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: world of college football?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Question?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to I don't know how to
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: answer that one. No, but he, uh, he was a
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: great guy. But again, never I never really had that
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: much to do with it. Again, being a kicker, I
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: mean even the kicking coach. You only saw two periods,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: two periods at the end of practice.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So the story, I don't doubt any of the stories
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: about how nice a guy. I mean, every time I
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: ever met him, talked to him, he was just the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: nice as could be. He sent me a letter I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: wrote him, I had a picture of the pit game
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: and ask if he would sign it I sent into
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: his company or whatever. He wrote me this really nice
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: long letter about how you doing. He knew where I
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: grew up. He knew my mom and dad. Sure, really,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I mean it was unbelievable.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: That had to feel a little SURREALO as you were
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: watching him go through Florida State and win national, be
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: in the mix for national. Was it just odd to
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: see him there knowing he was your coach, knowing you
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: did have some interaction or do you not really ever
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: think about it?
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: No, not anything I can think. You know, every time
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: he was up for national champions it's like I know
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that guy, right, I mean I got a letter from
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: him right here. I mean I know that guy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I once made an afternoon for Yeah, I once made.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Us happen to that pretty good day for coach Balden.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But I could, I can all you can almost in
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: my picture. And I know how they like kickers. Like
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: we said earlier, kickers were just they're different. They're like
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they're like they're just around. Need when you need him,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you come back.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Boy.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you something you that was a
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: good job and give you a tap on the head
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and see you later. That was it. That was the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: extent of it. Yeah, good job. We appreciate it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: By yeah, well, I mean even see that too. You
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: know they're even today when the coaches are around, you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: they're talking to the players that they're arguing about this
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: or all that or whatever. They score touch down, he
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: turns around and puts one finger up. That's the only interaction.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, man, I'm with you, three guys
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: before the game is brought to us by the good
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: friends at Gomart. I mentioned this all the time. You
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: got to get that Gomart app. Just put it on
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: your phone. Brad has it. I have it. Hit the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: road with Gomart because you immediately begin saving on food
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and fuel. And you know I clicked on here recently
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and now they got twenty cents off a gallon of gas.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: All you gotta do is for free, play a video
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: game on the app and you get twenty bill That's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a hell of a deal. I gotta do is play
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a video game on a phone. You have twenty off
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a gallon. I mean have ten gallons. I mean you're
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: an engineer. Ten gallons. That's two bucks. Twenty gallons.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: That'd before the super easy to is was just there
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: the other day getting.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Guessed, were you nice to the people this time?
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: And then go inside just got guess he has a problem.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: He just goes in there and starts yelling at Tony.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Why do you say that, well, characterization, I did walk
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: in and I asked for help.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: That's what you're supposed to do. Where they help, they're
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: very nice.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's postal plaza there, that's right. Yeah, posts
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: are perfectly Okay, that's what you do. They got a
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: food for help.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: They got a restaurant attached to them over there, don't they,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Brad Yeah, Burger king on that one. Yeah, on the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: left side there, I think with the b K.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Three guys brought to us by Comac's Business Systems. When
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it comes to comas.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Characterized, I don't know why he does that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't mean it in a negative way. You
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: just walk in there and go where's the snickers? Where's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the racing?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Where's the.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Right the donuts? Do you like those?
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing donut.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly, thank you very much, like a like a deer
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: dough don't.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Name you knew exactly what they were.
• 31:15
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• 31:20
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• 31:24
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  Speaker 1: dot com. That's COMAXWV dot com. So you come to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: school here and you get into the engineering program again
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: small school, high school wise academically, did you get right
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in it? Just for pretty good? How'd that go? Uh?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Chemistry gave me problems? But uh no, I high school.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I really didn't do all that much studying. I mean,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I won't say it came naturally, but it wasn't something
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: that I really need to kill myself studying. You're pretty
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: smart when you get well, when you get to colleague.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: That's a little different atmosphere or a lot different atmosphere,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I guess. So yeah, I did, Okay, I graduated. Why
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: engineering just something I've always wanted to be. I have
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: no idea, I don't know any It's not like my
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: family was engineers. I don't know. Just something I just
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: always wanted to be.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Did you have When I came up here, I was
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: overwhelmed because I came from a small town like you.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I was overwhelmed by the size and the number of
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: people took me a while. Did you struggle with that
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: at all?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean how many people in class and yeah,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: they didn't care if you had a question or not
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: because there was so many people in there. And then
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: have them to uh, you know, I'm used to the
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: high school was again for a hundred kids in your class.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: You didn't need very big You walked across a hall.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Maybe for another class here you got to get on
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: a bus or the PRT or.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Back then that's that PRT was new.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I already worked. That was That was the
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: best excuse. All you had to do is say the
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: pr T was down.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: First.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: They didn't care. They kept the lessons going.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So did you ever?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Did you ever?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Did you have any point where you thought like this
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: isn't for me, I'm going home? I did? I mean
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I stuck it out.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: But did you I probably had several of that. Might
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: none come to mind?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Probably if you didn't become a kicker, would you have
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: held the bags and practice for a long time? You
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: would have walked.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I probably would have walked. I guess again, I mean
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: it was used to being in the mix of that.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Again, you were with small Yeallo, captain of the wrestling team, used.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: To being in the mix with things, and I don't
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: know how much longer I would have held tackling dummies.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So how many things, how many points had to be
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: connected for all this to happen. You know, we're talking
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: about one of the seminal moments in sports history, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: how many and hearing Bill's stories, how many of these
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: things brand had to had to happen for it to.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Happen, or how easily it could have not happened. It
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: probably shouldn't have happened. Quite frankly, it's a better way
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: to say that, of all the things that had to
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: happen to make it come to fruition, it probably should
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: have never happened.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I think I can go on record and say, this
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: greatest thing that ever happened to you in your life
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: is Rocky Genola broke his leg.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Rocky, Thanks Rocky.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: But think about that. If Rocky gen Ol doesn't break
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: his legs.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: To start there, that's one about on the list.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Although they did it, and again, sorry rock they did
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: put Rocky in to kick before it was my turn
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: after Emil Ross. They put Rocky in, Okay, and I
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: don't exactly remember, but obviously that didn't go very well.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: So I was the third option at kicking that year.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Also this, I looked into this today. You won a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: game technically before you won the pit game Virginia Tech.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You hit a field goal and gave West Virginia a
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: three point lead and you won the game.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I, well, I have the I have the
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: ball for the game ball for that one too, And
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: that one just doesn't feels well. That one just doesn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: feel the same, you know. I think it was I know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: but I think it was in a third quarter or
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: something that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Happened to win three, ten to seven over Virginia ten.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: To walk off You No, it was not. No. I mean,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: it's glad I got it, glad we did it, but
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: it's not well like a hit game or a well
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: a Richmond actually want to be rich one.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah too, an he win back in the day over VP.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I yeah, and ninth grade, ninth grade freshman basketball, I
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: scored a bucket in the second quarter and we won
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: forty seven forty six. So I always say I had
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the game winning, but without my two, they're not winning.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I'd take it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that did that did kind of make me
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: go like Oh wow, I didn't realize you had hit one.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: So help me here. Someone told me that you guys
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: either weren't a tempting a lot of field goals that year,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: but like West Virginia was one of the last teams
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in the country that season to make a field goal
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: in a game.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is correct. We were good. We were good. Yes,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I mean I think we won. You won nine games,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: most of our games, yeah, without even having to kick
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: a field goal.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys went I'm beating at North Carolina State. Yes,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that season, so Peach Bowl ended and ended with the victy.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again that's thirteen ten. That sounds like I
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: made a field goal. I did not.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You missed an extra point.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I missed my first extra leal. Yes, so that's why
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: it's thirteen to ten. I did not make a field goal.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Just go with it. But listen, when you get back
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to the golf club, just go like, yeah, there's another
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: one I won. I just it was last person ten ten.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I went in there as a half a second or
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: something left. I just banged one. This one again.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what happened there.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, jeez, did so you're you're relatively young, you're a
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: sophomore when you kick the pit, when you make the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: kick against pipes, And I said, do you have any
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: idea that night? How signific't that was? You go? Nah,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: probably not. But like junior year, senior year had the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: mythical Bill McKenzie legend did did it last? Did it
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: or did you feel it then? Or was it years?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: It just grew over years.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I think it grew over years. I mean obviously escalated
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: pretty quickly that next year, but no, I kind of
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: just grew over the years.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Jack Fleming's voice on it, and then
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: YouTube and the fact that the highlights out there because
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: there's so many plays that aren't out there for you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: from that era, but that one being captured, as you said,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: it was on Big Boy Television. Frank Broyles and Keith
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Jackson did the game, and as you said, Jim Lampley
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: was the sideline report. Now that's a crew and it
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: was it was it was, it was it was a
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: regional game. It was, yeah, it was, but it was
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the a crew that did the game. And so like
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I think, like for generations, if that doesn't exist, just
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that clip, it probably just kind of goes away, but
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that will always have a living.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: On So oh yeah, no like hops out. I mean
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: there's so many stars had to all. Yeah, I had
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: a lot same thing. If that wasn't on TV, this
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be near the big deal either.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: But Bill, you did have a life after the field goal,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: So you became an engineer. Tell us what you did
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: after that after you graduated, well.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Right after graduation, started work at Weird and Steel as
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: a start as a management trainee. Ended up being a
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: mechanical supervisor in what was the Blooming Mill back then.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Doesn't exist anymore, was there for I started there in
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: seventy eight, So in eighty six I left there and went.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: To New Course Steel, Yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Down in as a project engineer. New Course Steel down
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: in Darlington, South Carolina.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Me.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: We were working on a new project called thin slab casting,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: which at the time no one had ever even heard of.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: A lot of folks had tried, or a lot of
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: companies had tried it, us Steel, Bethlee. I mean a
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: lot of those folks tried it. They just could never
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: get it working. Well, we got we got it working.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, explain to me like I'm a fifth grader.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: What thin slab.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Well again and steel and steel making. When they cast slabs,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you know, they take the molten metal, they cast them
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: into slabs what they call slabs, and these are anywhere
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: between eight nine ten inches thick steel full steel, and
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: then they roll them. They run them through the roller
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: mill and just make them from you know, eight inches
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: to six to four to two to one to as
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: thin as.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Your car is hold roll strip steel.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: No, this is hot, this is hot, well hot rolled
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: from making it from eight down to next to nothing.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Then they cold roll it afterwards. But that would take
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I mean millions and millions of dollars. I can't think
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: of how many stands, you know, rolling stands you had
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: to go through to get from twelve inches or ten
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: inches down to a quarter inch so they could run
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: it over to the coal mill. Well, we at New
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Core and everybody was trying to do this what they
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: called thin slab casting. We actually cast the slab at
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: two inches thick.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Took away a lot of time.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: So it took away so much time, so much energy,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: so much equipment. You know, now it only takes one
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: set of stands. I think we had four mill stands
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: to take it from two inches to a quarter inch
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: instead of hundreds of millions of dollars that most of
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the steel companies had at the time. So we started
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: the first one of those out in Crawfordsville, Indiana. So
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: I moved to Indiana in that would have been eighty
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: eight or January of eighty eight. We got that one
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: working for News Corps. And then they after that one
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: was successful, they built another one down in Arkansas. So
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I moved to Arkansas with the second one. And now
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: thin slab casters are kind of all over the place,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: but back in eighty eight, that was the first.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So you guys revolutionized the industry.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, that was the first one ever anywhere.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: So you spent your life in the steel industry and
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: then retired.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: My life in still Wegan went from Newcore in Arkansas.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Then we took a short hiatus, came back to Parkersburt
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Well Ravenswood, West Virginia in aluminum business. And we thought
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: it was myself, Well, my boss was Rodney Mott and
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: he still is in South Carolina. I'll get to that
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: story in a minute. We moved up here thought we
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: could try the new Core method, which was push all
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: of the the what am I trying to say? Responsibility
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: down to the people running a machine. I mean, who
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: knows better how to run a machine than the guy
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: running a machine. You don't have bosses and all these
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: you know, layers of management and stuff trying to do that. Well,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: we lasted about a year and a half in Ravenswood
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: and that just they didn't care for that. They just
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: they just did the Ravenswood Union and passionate the French company.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: They just we that was like oil and water.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: So we the home of the red running red Devils,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: ran out.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we we lasted about a year and a half
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: and they well actually let me go. Well, let both
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: of us go. I guess which was the best thing
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: that ever happened, if you don't mind me continuing. Uh,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: this was it was like January thirty first. I remember
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: like it was yesterday and January thirty first in West Virginia.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I went home, I got a beer and I'm standing
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: out on the back porch. My wife says, you know
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: what's wrong, Well, January thirty first is not the time
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of West Virginia. You said on your back ports and
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: drink beer. Sod, what's wrong? I said, Well, I said,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I just got let go from Ravenswood. I just I
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: just got let go. I don't know what I'm going
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: to do. I have no clue. So on February forth,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: this is two weeks two weeks later after I'm stumbling
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: around figured out what what the hell am I going
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: to do now? Thinking about writing resumes and all this stuff.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Rodney Mott, who I just mentioned, Ka, you lived right
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: next door, well, Katy Wampus from us and he says, hey,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I want to meet you down here at the country club.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: He says, I got something you might be interested. So
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: he goes down there, we meet. He says, there's this
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: guy named Wilbur Ross who is working on buying a
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: steel mill LTV LTV in Cleveland. It was shut down.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: He said, he's working on trying to get some folks together.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: He says, I don't know if this is going to
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: work or not, but would you be interested in coming
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: up and you know, seeing what you can do. I
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: might send you to Chicago. I might send you to
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia to look at the equipment. He says, I don't know.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Just keep your receipts. This may or may not work
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: well for expenses. He says, keep your receipts. This mayor
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: may not work. And this was that was February, so
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I think it was probably April that again, I kept receipts.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I might add four five hundred dollars worth of receipts or.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I get a check from Wilbur Ross for ten thousand dollars.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: You think this will cover it? This is good, this
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: is going to work. So we all went to Cleveland
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: at the time, got LTV started up, then started buying
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: other steel mills, right. We bought We went from Clevelan.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know the exact order here. We bought Cleveland,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: we bought our LTV, We bought Bethlehem, Inland, Acme, Georgetown, Weirton,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: we at the ISG. We named it International Steel Group
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: at the time was the biggest steel mill in the country,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: bigger than we were, bigger than us steel Wow. And
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: with me, I guess I was the down home kind
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: of guy. I guess I was the one on the
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: ground that they would send in first to do the
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: you know, the union negotiations. And I was the regular
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: guy from down the street, so I could talk to
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the unions. And so I started it Warren, Ohio, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: a coke plant was there about nine months when we
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: bought Bethlehem, I went to Coatesville. The plate Lukens what
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: was the old Luken's mill in Philadelphia was there for
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: about a year and a half and we bought Weirton Steel,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: so they took me from there, sent me to Weirton
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Steel for about a year and a half. We sold
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: ISG to Middle This was in O five somewhere.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: In five so the public transaction. Yes, what was the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: number on that?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Four billion? I think yeah, not a bad day. I
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: think it was for four billion. Anyway, I thought I
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: wasn't ready to I was forty eight years old. I
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: wasn't ready to retire. Rod and a couple of the
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: other folks left. I said, now I'm gonna it's weird
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: And Steel. I've been to Weirden Steel before. I'm gonna
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: hang on here for a little bit. I lasted about
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: two months, Sin said, I kid, they don't like the
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: way I've operate. I don't like the where they're operating.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: So I retired. Wow, September I was that would have
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: been five I guess, yeah. And let me for those
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: of you that are thinking about retiring. It's the easiest
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: job in a little he just did. I mean, you
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: just don't go to work next day. It's the easiest
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: thing in the world. But don't do it without a plan.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I just up and didn't go to work the next day.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Without a plan. I had no idea what to do.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Oh drove my wife crazy. She actually, and I don't
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: know if this is true, she says she called Rodney
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Mott after a couple months and said, rod find this
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: guy something to do.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: He was driving me crazy.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So in February of six, Stelko called Rodney and said, hey,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: we saw what you did with ISG, with all those
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: other mills. We'd like to come up to Stelco and
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: do the same thing. So I was retired for about
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: six months, maybe eight months, went back to work again
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: in Hamilton area up with Stelco. We kind of did
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: the same thing. We were there about a year and
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: a half, kind of got it turned around a little bit,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: sold it to US Steel. And that's what I said.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: My last working day was Halloween of seven.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: He's a he's a steel industry turnaround specialist.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what he is. So how many moves
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: so do have you ever counted how many moves that
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: sounded like a bunch of moves that was like a
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: that's like six to nine moves.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and my wife never did. My wife and
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: kids did not go the last couple times, right, But
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I guess, I guess I went from Wheeling, or from
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: West Virginia to South Carolina to Indiana to Arkansas. That's
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: four to West Virginia to Ohio to Pennsylvania, back to
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: West Virginia, then to Canada and then well now we're
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: in Arizona.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And it surprised me. We talked or texted recently. You've
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: got two kids that live here in West Virginia. I do.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: My daughter, Lauren actually works for the university some kind
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: of a she's a vet tack and apologize Lauren, but
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: something to do with the animal research. And my son
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: John is a police officer in Wheeling. Well, actually he's
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: a cane what it called canine handler. Oh yeah, he
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: has one of the dogs in uh in Wheeling.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you still have folks in back back in the
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Wheeling area.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Well, my brother, my brother still lives there, has a
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: couple of cousins that lived there. Mom and dad passed
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: several several years ago.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what did your dad do? Did you work in
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: the steel mill?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: No?
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: He was, Ah, he sold trucks. He was a general
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: manager of Wheeling White Truck.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Would you you live? Where'd you live in Worlwood, clear.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: View, up on the hill, up close to close to
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Ogibi Park?
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, sure, absolutely So that's a good story.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: So I never knew the background. I knew you were
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: an engineering but I didn't know how many pops. Yeah,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you had to get to.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Ye, quite a few, you say. My wife and kids,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: they couldn't. We didn't realize it was going to go
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: that fast. I mean, you buy a new steel company
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: every year. We didn't realize what was going to go
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: that fast. But thankfully she did not try to move
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: or yeah, she'd have been worn out.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Well help him because he retired. I don't know how
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: long has it been now he's semi retired. He got
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: any words of wisdom for him?
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Again, have a plant and don't retire in the winter
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: in West Virginia.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I did.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Much to do.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I'm adjusted. So Tony, let's go the rifle route.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I was gonna That's where I was gonna go. You're
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: wearing the mountaineer rifle hat, the national champion Mountaineer riflers.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You know what, I met the young lady who was
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: West Virginia's last shooter to win the national championship. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: basically I don't know if enough people know the story yet,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: but in essence it was, I mean it was similar
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: to what you did. It was a walk off win.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: And she had three shots and she didn't re realize
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: what she had to do. But had she shot two
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: nines instead of am I rel she went nine ten ten.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: If she would have gone nine to nine ten, West
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Virginia doesn't win the world championship and she goes nine
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: ten ten on her last ever shot as a shooter
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: because she's not going to go under the Olympics. And
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: so that was a walk off national championship.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Well, that was unbelievable. Again, we were there. That was
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: down in Lexington. There's another comeback story for you. I
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: mean they were third after the in rifle. They have
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: small I'm not telling you guys something. You know, they
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: have a small board what they call small boar, which
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: is twenty two twenty twos, and then they have air rifle,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: which is essentially pellet guns. So they shoot both the
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: morning and an afternoon session for each So after the
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: first more or after the first session the small board,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: they were in third place by I don't remember exactly
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: how many points, ten or twelve or something like that,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: but ten points in a rifle match is a lot.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: It's a lot. And then after the first round of
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: air rifle, there in second place. And this girl, God,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I apologize, I can't don't think of her name off
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: the top of my head. Natalie Natalie, Yeah, but she
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: is that not only was she was her last shot,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: she was the last part. You shoot at your own pace.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: They have twenty five or thirty of them up there,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: and some of them shoot in you remember Etzel, I
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: don't know if you were riding.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Shoot five hundred shots in ten minutes. Some of them
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: take it down to the very last one. Well, she
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: not only was her last shot, she was the last
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: person standing in the line. So this is the last day,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: the last afternoon, the last thing. She's the last person
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: at the line. She needs to hit a ten oh
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: when and she hit a ten point one.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Natalie Perne.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the unbelievable Verry mckinzisque finish on that unbelievable?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: What got you into you're a huge supporter.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: The earliest I can remember is uh, Ben Murray, who
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: now had a Mountain Athletic Club. He came, this has
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: been well quite a few years ago, I guess, and said,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Uh that the rifle team had just won a championship
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: and I don't know how many years ago that was,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: and they were looking for someone to help finance or
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: help buy rings for them, and they said it was
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: going to be something like six thousand dollars or seven
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: thousand or something like that. Would you be interested? And
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I said, Ben, I said, not only am I interested?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: You don't need to look for anybody else.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: We'll just we'll do it.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Consider us. Yeah, we're we're the ring people. We'll do it.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: We're the ring people. Yeah, we'll do it. So little
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: did I know they were going to win three in
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: a row. We have And again I don't know how
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: many years ago, but so far or I mean since then,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: we've been the ring people. So we bought every time
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: they went an NC championship, we by the rings for him.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you hunt? Do you shoot?
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: What's your I shoot? Again? You used to do hunting.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Nobody in West Virginia. I mean, everybody in West Virginia
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: has to hunt them some type, right. But I shoot.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Now it's pistol shooting. We have belonging a Scottsdale gun
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: club out there and they've got an indoor range. So
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I shoot. I try to go every Monday. I don't
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: make it every Monday, but it's it's pistol shooting.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: You know, Tony is an excellent hunter.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Bill. Can I tell you my hunting story? So these
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: guys on this show attacked me really unfair. I said,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: if I shoot something I wanted, I want an animal
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that could hurt me. I wanted to run at me, right.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: So I said, first fail.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: So I said, like a deer is never going to
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: take a run atge. I need something bigger. I said,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: how about like a bore? Right. So these guys laugh
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: at me and they say a boor would go right
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: after your leg they kill you. Uh, I say, okay, fine.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: They said we've never shot before, You've never like, what
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: would you do? And I said, well, they got those
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: scope they put on those guns. I said, I just
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: lined that thing up, put it right there right, put
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: in the crosshairs. Let her go. See these guys laughing.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: So this guy's listening. He says, come on down here,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: we'll go go down to southern West Virginia. Go out there. Start.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Guy gives me a lesson, says, okay, here it is
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: shot twice at a target. First one might have been
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: a little loft, second one. He goes, boom, you got it. Okay, fine,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: We go out there, hunt this board down. Ferocious, ferocious beast.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: We start following it and I walk in and I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: see it, and I said again. They said, okay, man,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: this is it. I lined that thing up and absolutely
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: torched it, blew it up fast.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Do you think it was running at you when you
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: knocked it down? Just get It's hard, I know, it's
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: hard to tell.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: You're looking through a scope.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: It's coming fast miles for hour.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: How fast you think it was running?
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: It wasn't running at me.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: It wasn't.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: It was not running correct.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: So it couldn't have It couldn't have done you any
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: harm like you originally had seen.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Had he seen me, and I think Bill would probably
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: know had he seen me, he's coming at it wasn't.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: It was not at that moment.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: Have we confirmed was the boar alive when you shot it?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Talk about that for sure? Oh yeah, I'll show you
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the picture.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: Before might have already been dead. It was very much
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: sleeping at nothing else.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Well, there's some theory that he missed the shot, but
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: the hog.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Died of a heart attack, or that someone else in
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: the group maybe it actually fired exactly like, Look.
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: Tony's a great shot.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I look got the boar coming up. Coming up.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: We've been talking with storytime pretty quickly.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: We know I've got seriously, I got the guy was video.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: The guy was documented. I got it on video. I'll
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: show you the picture. You're going to be impressed when
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: you see the hole that I put on side of.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: The Oh gosh, Now you're just I'm just saying that
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Came at you sideways.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he was.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Very good sponsor.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, Bill got you on that one. Yeah, walk off, Bill.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I could just tell when I had him lined up
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: he was pissed. Hey, don't forget. Coming up, we've been
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: talking about the motocross event over at high Point. This
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: thing is one of the great stops in motocross year
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: in and year out, and once again it's annual run
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: is coming up at the high Point Event. It's in
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Mount Morris, Pennsylvania. We're going to be there on June thirteen,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: which is the Friday Rev Kev's barbecue as well. Hoppy
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: is going to be riding a bike kind of just
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: like that's hot that hobby. I'd be Hoppy in practice
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: there too. Tickets are on sale now and all you
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: gotta do is go to the website, uh for the
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: high Point National Event and that is coming up on
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Father's Day weekend. So that's so. So are you a
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: good pistol shooter?
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I think so?
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you are good because you're humble as hell
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: that you must be really good.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: So you shoot on Monday's golf every other day of
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: the week.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, Tuesday, Wednesday, we golf Tuesday Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday occasionally,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Sunday nice occasionally.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: How many hold runs hold ones in your career?
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Four? Wow?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Wait, there he goes good?
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: But only one of them was a really good shot?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know. I've witnessed quite a
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: few of them, I believe it or not. And some
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: of them are you know those nice that you see
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: on TV, those nice high ones that kind of skip
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: a couple of times. Some of them roll across the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: ground and bounce off a tree and end up in
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: the hole. I one of mine was, yeah, one of
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: those that, yeah, kind of rolled around and had no
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: business even being on.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: Just go with whatevery times on the scorecard.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: How many? How many times have you had a shot
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: that you got screwed off of? Just take those back, yep.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Best part of your game.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Driver putter, chipping putt.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: You're a chipping putter.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't hit very many greens, so I
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: have to be able to Yeah I can, I can chip.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: And how you deal with the heat?
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Gets hot but there's no humidity? Well you do here?
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: We go, dry heat guy, Dry heat guy.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: You do t off early?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Well? How so what are you normally getting out at seven?
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Seven thirty?
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Done by ten ish?
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: See you like it out there? Right? You like it
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: out there?
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: You're in scott You're in scottste.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: That kind of north Scottsdale.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Here, it's nice, nice here.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Where you know that when you read the temperatures, you
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: know what, one twenties hot? I got it. There's no
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: there's no yes, there's no kids. One twenty right there hot.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: One town's not bad, but one twenty is hot.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: But when you see the Phoenix temperature, I mean they're
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: talking about four o'clock downtown Phoenix, right, I mean that's
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: as hot as it gets. We're up, we're probably two
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: thousand feet higher than Phoenix, right, So if it's we're
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: ten or twelve degrees cooler where we are, then what
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: you will read, you know, what you'll read is a
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Phoenix temperature bill.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: You know what other legendary mountaineers out there in the
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Greater Phoenix metroplex is Kevin White? Former quarterback Kevin White.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I think I've met him out there one long time.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Judge, Kevin White.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Is your wife still trying to get you out of
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: the house or is she kind of settled in now?
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: She calling anybody to try to get you work now done?
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: And she she golfs three or four times, and okay,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: well fortunately we're we belong to two different golf courses. Okay,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: so I got we when we left the one golf course,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Scottsdale National. I don't you probably heard of that bob
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: part and spought that thing. Anyway, we left and the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: guys that I used to golf with went to Desert
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Mountain that the women that she golf with went to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: True North. So she does her three or four days
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: a week. I do my three or four days a week.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: We never see each other.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: No, no, there's there's that's good. You see her and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: you see her in the house. But I mean if
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: you were with her on the course, might get a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: little bit much.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Right, We're good.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: But one of the friends of the program you're probably
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: familiar with is Steve Dunlap who was on that He
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: was on that team.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, intercepted one believe in that game?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Did did he win?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Three? Three yard return? Three yard return?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: So when you talk about that parties intercept exactly.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: When you talk to the dun Lap about the game,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like the mckensicick, well was actually an interception.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I just that team. There's a good nucleus of those
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: guys that have always stayed together, which I always find
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: kind of wild. You know, they those guys. I don't
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: think we'll ever see that nowadays with this transfer portal. Yeah,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: the one and done free agent. You know, are you
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: shaking your head?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't. You don't get that I can kind
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: of understand them getting paid, but they ought to have
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: to They shouldn't be able to transfer every year. I mean,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: they ought to sign some kind of a contract or
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: some kind of an agreement or something that that they
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: got to hang around. I think they had the best
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: intentions when they started this, but it just I don't
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: think they ever saw this was.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Going to happen.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they missed on how to regulate it. We had guys,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: We had kids that go into the football portal in December,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: went to a new school, did springball there, and then
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: after springball put themselves back in the portal. So they
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: never even played the game with that school. Yeah, it's happened.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: All probably made money on it.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Played money. Oh, sure made money three guys before the game.
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  Speaker 2: Got a dog on to almost Hey, that's seventy five.
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  Speaker 2: Of course this is all familiar to Bill, but that's
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: seventy five team. It's just fun to go back and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: look at some of the players. Dan Kendra quarterback on
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that team, Artie Owens brad one hundred and fifty nine
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: carries for one thousand and fifty five yards back in
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: the day.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: Good yards per carry.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Six point six, yeah, six point six. Dwayne Woods was
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: on that team, Steve Lewis, Scott McDonald, Tommy Bowden, Randy
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Swinson who caught the pass in the pit game, Marshall,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Greg Yeah, Marshall, Tommy pride More. That was a stun lap.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: That was a really good team, really good team. Did
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: you all you what was that? Yeah, Tony, you asked him.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I mean again, I guess as kickers you felt separated,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: but had to be a pretty good vibe on that team, right,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was great. Great guys always yeah,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: kind of yucking it up a fews a will. That
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: was a good team, a good team atmosphere.
• 1:04:06
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:11
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• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: and there's a specific chapter you know what the chapter's
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: called Bill McKenzie's field goal. And I have seriously and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I have the advanced copy. You're at page one forty
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  Speaker 1: five in case you didn't know. And I read that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: this morning because I have an advanced copy and was
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: looking through that. And they mentioned the defensive plan they
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: had that day from Clausing, and he widened out the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: defensive ends, basically everything to try to slow down Tony
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: dor Set and he said the safeties and specifically Tommy Pridemore.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: His one job that day was to beat the absolute
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: heck out of Matt Kavanaugh. And every time he would
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: come on and either hold it or not hold it,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: punish him and pound him. And he said that was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: one of the big keys in that football and pride
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: more obviously went on to play really nice NFL career.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Now back in the day, Brad, that would that would
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: not have resulted in a flag against the young man, right,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: it was a different game.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: How about astro turf concrete on, you guys, this was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: this is the same surface that he kicked off of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: that was the worst.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: This was Mountaineer Field with a little bit of green
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: fuzzle on.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Isn't that mind blowing how bad that stuff was? In
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: the beginning.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was that was it back then.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, so you went from natural grass at Warwood
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: with a regular.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: It was more dirt than grass.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, I get it. Dirt, I get it. So
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: you you were kicking off of dirt without a kicking shoe, right,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: and then you come here and now you're on this
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: real high tech, brand new stuff they're calling it astro turf,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: never seen before, and you're using the toe.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I had a tea and the t you
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: could use t's back then, think.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: About yeah, think about that.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Did it feel good coming off the toe? Probably did,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: didn't it?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean you're if you've golfed, it's kind of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: like hitting one and you know when you hit one
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: in the middle, you don't feel it. Same thing when
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: you hit one in the middle, you just you don't.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: You watch you watch the video. You see what do
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: you see? Brad kept his head down so you knew
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: you got it.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: Left the toe, you had it.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: It felt you felt like yeah, I was, I wasn't looking.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: Discipline head down?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: What was your protocol?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Bear kicks?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: You know guys like the soccer style guys like they'll
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: go back three over three, like what was your what
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: was your deal?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned it. I got two stories there.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: If I got a telephone.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: One of the things with the kick and tea, and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: this came from Frank Nester. Frank said, you know, it's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: a little bout the size of your phone. Maybe you're
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: not quite as high as your phone. We used a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: one inch tea and pay. Frank said, paint a big
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: yellow arrow on it, big yellow arrow, and when you
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: get there, hold that up to the goalpost like this
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: and then just bring it straight down and then you
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: just look at the t arrow and that's where you
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: And I told the guys that and they said, yeah,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Frank was blind as a bat. No wonder, no wonder
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: he did that. But anyway, that's so one thing you didn't.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I might have got Frank's t
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't remember how the area got on there.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: There was a big, big arrow, would you yeah.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Absolutely held it up. I got put it straight down
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: on the field. Yeah, you know, like if you're golfing
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: on your putton, when you line up that thing and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: then you don't Yep, that's exactly what I did. That
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: came that little tidbit came from Frank Nester.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: So that was analog GPS.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: That's well, it's like another that's before a rangefinder, right
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: range finder. You just hold the tea up there, right
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: down there.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: But again they said Frank did that because he could
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: he couldn't see. Well, whether that's true or not, I don't.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: So his eligibility was over when you and so he
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: was a g A or something like that. He was
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: on staff.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: I think he graduated seventy two. I think.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he was still around.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: I think yeah, he was still Yeah, he was still
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: around again. Got the square toed shoe, got the little
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: arrow thing he there that helped.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Frankly, I think he could have given you
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: more of a ringing endorsement before the kick into a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Kensey's got didn't Ifie boots it there?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, well I said earlier, they said I was.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: They said practice wasn't the night before wasn't very good.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: I don't remember. Yeah, thankfully, I wasn't thinking about that. Yeah,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Do you ever think it? And again we're belaboring the point,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: but it's so such a meaningful moment. Did you ever
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: over the years. Think about what if you'd missed it.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: It would be a I wouldn't be here.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I know that that's true. I mean it would become
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: an after.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: The would be a whole different world.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be an afterthought.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Just like you mentioned about the obituary, I don't really
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: want to go there.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Did it ever come up in your in your work
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: and your professional career dealings. Did that ever come as
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: a ice breaker in any of your conversations as you
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: were moving so much?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: Or no, I don't well again when I come back
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: to Weirton. Yeah, you know, I mentioned all of those
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: shows when I came back to Weirton. Obviously everybody knew
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: me for that, but people in Philadelphia and Hamilton, Ontario,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: no big deal. Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Plus, you really couldn't pluy YouTube up in those early days.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Later, you know, in reading the chapter in the book
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: that John's got coming out here, there was some question
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: of Johnny Major as the pit coach, why he just
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: didn't settle for the tie, just run it out and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: get it over with and just call it a tie,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: see you later. And that's he gave the ball back
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: to West Virginia.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: And that's he probably saw me practicing it.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I'm making it anyway.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: We'll get to like two for your heard him say,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: you know two for five in field goals.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: So I don't know why they didn't call a timeout
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: try to freeze you. M I don't know if it
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: would well. Again, I only had one other game then.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I remember that I made a last second field but
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: we beat Richmond one year, nine to six. I think
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: it was like ten or twelve seconds or something like
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: something like that left and they did call it time out,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: but I made it anyway. So whether that would have
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: helped it, I don't know.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: Bill.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Do you remember? Was it was it chaotic? The way
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: that it happened, As I said, it was just the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: past of Swinson that's a ten second drive. Was there
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: chaos on the sideline Like he catches it, he runs
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: out of bounds. It's like kick kick kick, and you're
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: just like go.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, We're running around like chickens with their
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: head cut off.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: There.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, what just happened?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: So it just happens to you like you literally like
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: ball out of bounce, you just run out. You don't
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: even know what you're doing. Kicker puts it, holder puts
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: it down, you're kicking.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: It's over pretty much. Well, you know, I don't want
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: to belabor the issue here, but they still got the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: ball with eleven seconds to go. I mean I'm walking around,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: you know, picking up my shoe making sure I got
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: got you. So, like everybody kind of was nobody expected.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Some people were even thinking about leaving the game. Was
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: U was Swinson in bounds? Did he catch it in bounds?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: I was on the other side of the field.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: It was on the other side of the field.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Was in bound? Sure it was? Yeah, he was in
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: a question.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't know there was even a question.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: He didn't even know it was a question. Fifty years later,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: you're trying to dredge up some stuff over there, all right,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: that's fine, you know. That may be why Jack said,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: like he get I think they say, does he say,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: holy Moly, there's something holy whatever, because probably he never
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: thought in his mind that we were West Virginia was
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: going to get an opportunity to get a kick.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: I can't believe it.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I don't believe this.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what you guys do
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: in the press box. But he was probably gathering his
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: papers together and gathering his paper make sure he had
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: his glasses. I don't know.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: I will tell you this. I will tell you this,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and this is true, and Hopy knows this. He hated
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: pitt oh so bad, like he would hop me. I
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: mean he would. He would have to take a little
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: something up. He would take a little something, a little
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: pill before a pit game, just to take the edge
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: off so he wouldn't get so ramped up. Because that's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: how much you hated them.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:12:23
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• 1:12:24
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  Speaker 1: No class, it's all right right. Coffee now, we'd have
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: to hydrate that grass a little bit. But other than that, that.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Kind of looks like the clouds we have in Arizona.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: There there's contrails from airplanes. Yeah, that's about it. That's
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: about there. Any clouds you get out there, do.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: You come do you try to come back to watch
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the Mountaineers play at all? Football? You don't get you
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: don't come into in the fall.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah again every now and then I wouldn't obviously, you
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: know us have a big r V. We used to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: come all the time till we sure, till we moved
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Arizona full time. My daughter comes, my brother comes on
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: every game.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Does your so through the years, has your daughter giving
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: you any Hey, dad, someone found out that I was
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: your daughter. Have you got some of those?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah? My son too again Wheeling. Yeah, he's in Wheeling.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I'm from Wheelings. Every now and then he said, you know,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: I met somebody that said they went to school with
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: you and the kick.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Are they doing anything this fall? Is the athletics director planning?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it were. I mean, they never
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: met they are, Yes, Okay, they never miss I was
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: gonna say they never missed the I'm sure.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: We're supposed to have a I think it's a Bowden team.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: All all the members of a Bowden team, So it's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: not just seventy five that's what was here. Seventy Yeah,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: two seventy six or something like that.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Six seasons.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're supposed to have get together. It's one of
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: the later games. I think it's sometime in October. You'll
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: be here, Oh yeah, it's one of the later one
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: of the leaders, and then I'll be here for the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: pit game.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: He's got I think that good pick game. Yeah, recreate
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the kick, to recreate the kick, well, hoppy, it's not
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: I mean it's that was a pretty good shot. That
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't like it wasn't like ten yards. It was a shot.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: It's hard to do. No, that would be neat if
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: you had that shoe like you know how they do
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: those when your little kids they Yeah, I wonder where
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: the hell the shoe is. Probably Kershner's probably got it.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: He's holding out for that dollars.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: I got the shoe. Yeah, when I get that dog
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: on two hundred dollars, McKenzie's getting his shoe back.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: By the way, I looked up the I love this stuff.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: On the play before the past of Swinston, it was
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: a fake drawl, faked the draw to Artie Owens, tucked it,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: pull it back out its Swinston. Yeah, got out of bounce.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Well, John Antonio play action there well.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: And I think according to I believe that was a
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: play made up as you go. I don't think that
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: was a game.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: That's in the book.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: That's the time to improvise.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Basically, he said no one knew no one except the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: quarterback and the receiver. He based he was running a
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: specific route all game and so they were they were,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: they were biting in on it, and so he said, okay,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: pretend you're going to do that and then cut and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: that's what took him to the sideline. Is that right?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: So they were the only ones that knew.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: That took some uh oh yeah, gumption to make that
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: call on your own.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what you got to do that? So
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: what have we accomplished here today? It's a good thing.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Rocky g and Alla broke his leg. It's a good thing.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Bernie Kershner was on double secret probation, so he can. Right,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: all of these things are true. It's good.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: You know if I can. I had everybody sign that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: ball back then you cannot read any name. You cannot
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: read any name on it. And what amazes me is
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: they show pictures of a Babe Ruth baseball. Now, how
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: in the world can you still see Babe Ruth signature
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: on a ball? Yeah, you can't see not a one
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: on not a one on that football.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Probably probably because it's some guy in New Jersey like
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: in the ninety nine that.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Had a sharp Yeah. Again that was before you know,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: it was all ballpoint pen. But that amazes old.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: School, old school I gotta tell you, Tony, We've been
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: doing this for a long time and all these shows
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: and just it is a great joy for me fifty
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: years later to be with this guy.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: This is why we did it.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: It's really it's really enjoy it.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: That's what the summer series is all about. Man. We
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for your time.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Oh hey, great, thanks, thanks again having me.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: You're in our ears every single night when we start
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: our show with that call from Jack. It's iconic. It's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: a piece of West Virginia history, and it's absolutely fantastic.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, thank.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: You, thank you.
• 1:17:43
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