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- 0:00His main agenda was to present his prepared dissent and refuse to sign the commission
- 0:06report unless his dissent was included. After presenting his concern, he was joined
- 0:10in the dissent by Senator John Sharon Cooper and to a lesser extent, Representative
- 0:15Hale Boggs. In an oral history conducted late in his life, Senator Cooper
- 0:20recalled that Russell's well reasoned opinions had great influence on Cooper's own admissions. Like
- 0:26Russell, Cooper was impressed with a strong and compelling testimony of Governor Connolly,
- 0:31and thus was willing to follow Russell's lead in rejecting the single bullet theory and
- 0:37the Oswald alone conclusion. You're listening to Carrie Letz's Financial Survival Network, where
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- 1:00now more than ever, And welcome you are watching listening to the Financial Survival
- 1:10Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Well you know I was I
- 1:14think I was six years old when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated.
- 1:19I was in first grade. I remember we came back from lunch and heard
- 1:23the news. I didn't really know particularly what was going on or anything else,
- 1:27but I knew it was bad because everyone else was upset. And you
- 1:32know, for my life and the course of many of you out there,
- 1:34it really set the tone for the United States. I felt like the United
- 1:40States was never the same after the assassination. And there's a whole host of
- 1:47characters involved. There's millions of books, notes, video, you know,
- 1:53you name it. It is the one of the events of the past century
- 1:59that that has never been settled to anyone's liking other than the powers that be.
- 2:05Markshaw, you have basically devoted your life to uncovering the truth here.
- 2:09You know, when we first connected, I think about four years ago,
- 2:14you would have found out about the death of Dorothy Kilgallen, who was a
- 2:21noted journalist and the only person reporter to interview Jack Ruby and so much more.
- 2:30She was really a trailblazer for women's empowerment in the fifties and I owe
- 2:38my name to her. And you know, it's really good to have you
- 2:42back on here. I know you've not just been sitting around waiting for the
- 2:46retirement checks to come in. No, you know, I don't know if
- 2:51I could retire. Retirement's good for some people, but probably not for me.
- 2:55I got in touch with you because of Anne, because I want to
- 3:00get into and we'll do it just as we go through what I'm talking about
- 3:05here, the new revelations about the Warren Commission and the corruption there. But
- 3:07so much of this was stirred by the fact that Dorothy Kilgallon just to give
- 3:13people an idea. One of the most celebrated journalists in history in the fifties
- 3:17and sixties. She was best known at the time for being the star panelist
- 3:22on What's My Line, the CBS quiz show watched by ten million people every
- 3:28Sunday night. But Dorothy was also a celebrated journalist, Pulitzer Prize nominated journalist,
- 3:34syndicated to two hundred newspapers across the country. She had a radio show
- 3:38listened to by a million people a day. She covered the doctor Sam Shephard
- 3:45case, which became the fugitive, the Lindberg baby kidnapping case. She covered
- 3:50the Queen's coronation in England. She was a big deal. The New York
- 3:54Most called her the most powerful female voice in America. Ernest Hemingways said she
- 4:00was one of the greatest woman writers of the time. So she was a
- 4:01big deal. And she, you know, back in nineteen sixty three.
- 4:10We have to figure out where she is because she's just you know, every
- 4:14day she's in the news and all of that. And then something happens,
- 4:18and that is, of course, the death of JFK. So Dorothy is
- 4:23at home and she's with her youngest son, Cherrie, of whom you are
- 4:29named. And you could explain how that in a minute, But anyway,
- 4:32they're sitting there and then they watched Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswalt. Well
- 4:38that's enough for Ruby. She and JFK were very close friends. He had
- 4:42been to her home, they played charades, he'd been to some parties.
- 4:46She knew him from the restaurants and bars in the New York City. And
- 4:51when Ruby shot Oswald, that really perked her ears. Stuff like case something's
- 4:57wrong. So but on the pace, I'm just on the interject mark on
- 5:00the face. It is completely absurd. Okay, in the middle of a
- 5:04police station, the Dallas police station. This guy gets in and shoots the
- 5:10uh so, I don't want to call him a suspect, but the alleged
- 5:14assassin of the president. He just gets in there. And you know,
- 5:17if you know anything about intelligence agencies, it's called the tying up loose ends.
- 5:25Right, That's a good point, exactly it is. And in fact,
- 5:28the death of Dorothy Kilgallen we'll talk about, was tying up a loose
- 5:31end. So what does she do, Well, she's with Carrie, her
- 5:35youngest son, and she's so upset. The first column, she writes,
- 5:39I don't know if you remember that, I can quote it verbatim. She
- 5:45said, the man and what I remember is a tall man stooping over a
- 5:51little boy, my son, Carrie, who had brought third grade letters from
- 5:57his third grade class to meeting that we had with JFK in the White House,
- 6:02and he made a big fuss over those particular letters. He gave Jerry
- 6:09a PT one nine pin a pen. I mean, he just made a
- 6:13big fuss over there. And then she made this. She ended up by
- 6:16saying, this is the man who was killed, assassinated in Dallas. So
- 6:23Dorothy then went ahead and I want to kind of zoom through just a little
- 6:26bit of some of this so we can get to the most important evidence that
- 6:29I've uncovered recently. But you have to think about the fact that it was
- 6:33the meeting with JFK and Carrie your namesake that stirred all of this in Dorothy
- 6:41Kilgallon's most credible investigation of the JFK assassination in history and led, unfortunately to
- 6:47her untimely death, basically her murder in nineteen sixty five. So what does
- 6:53she do, Well, she climbs a board a plane and goes to Dallas.
- 6:56She interviews Jess Curry, who's the Dallas police chief, tells her the
- 7:00shots came from the overpass, not from the book depository. She starts looking
- 7:04into everything. I have photographs of her in Deeley Plaza. She starts doing
- 7:11her investigation and she ends up, of course, going to the Ruby trial,
- 7:15being with the front row at the Ruby trial. And when she's there,
- 7:19she kind of watches Jack Ruby, and he kind of watches her,
- 7:24and all at once, the co counsel for Ruby, Joe Tanahill, calls
- 7:30her over and says, listen, Jack Ruby wants to talk to you.
- 7:33He is really an admirer of yours at the Carousel Club, they watch What's
- 7:39My Line? He has read your columns, He's always been a big fan,
- 7:43and he wants to talk to you. So this is going to be
- 7:46the moment when everything changes in Dorothy Kilgallen's life. Because out of four hundred
- 7:51reporters, it's that trial Carrie, she's the only one to interview Jack Ruby,
- 7:57and she does it twice time. She's become gotten up a friendship with
- 8:03Ruby's attorney, Melvin bell I, and she's at press conferences. She's on
- 8:09the job, Dorothy is. But what Ruby tells her is so important here.
- 8:15And what happens is that we do not know. And I'll explain to
- 8:18you why we don't know what exactly Ruby said to her, But in eight
- 8:22to ten minutes we now know he clued her in on exactly what happened with
- 8:28regard to the jfk assassination. So what do we know, Well, we
- 8:33know the first place that she went was New Orleans and that was the home
- 8:37of a gangster named Carlos Marcello. And he comes into play here because Dorothy
- 8:45investigated and found out that here's what happened the nineteen sixty election was going to
- 8:48be lost by JFK. His father, Joe knew unless they one Illinois and
- 8:54West Virginia. And so what did they do? Well? He called his
- 8:58friends Strength Sinatra Kennedy family friend and got in touch then with some of the
- 9:03mafioso Carlos Marcello, Santo Traficante, Sam g and Conna of Chicago, because
- 9:09they needed to win Illinois and West Virginia win the election. And you know
- 9:13this, it really is a true crime murder mystery. You know about the
- 9:16best selling book The Reporter Too Much. The latest one is Fighting for Justice
- 9:20that has this material in it, even in more depth. So what does
- 9:24she do? Well, she goes to New Orleans and she looks into cardinals
- 9:31Marcello because she knows that when the gangsters helped Joe Kennedy win the election,
- 9:37there was a deal he made with the devil that Joe made. You help
- 9:41us win the election and we'll leave you alone when we're in the White House.
- 9:46Well, what immediately happens, Carrie, is that and I have an
- 9:48eyewitness that right was right there when Joe Kennedy ordered JFK to appoint Bobby Kennedy
- 9:54Attorney General. And what's the first thing that Bobby Kennedy did. Well,
- 10:00he went after the mobsters, including Carlos Marcello, who deported to Central America,
- 10:07basically double crossing the mafia, but especially Dorth especially Carlos Marcelo. So
- 10:15from then, what she does is she goes to New Orleans. Uh.
- 10:18She she looks into Marcello, who has a billion dollar business basically uh racketeering,
- 10:26you know, uh, women prostitutes. He has these games, he
- 10:31has all of those things there that he's doing and hen he's got a lot
- 10:35at risk here. So what he's saying to myself, Bobby Kennedy is going
- 10:39to continue to haunt me. So I've got to make that stop. And
- 10:43what Dorothy learned was that Marcello was a smart guy. He said, well,
- 10:46I can't kill Bobby Kennedy because JFK would come after me with everything the
- 10:52government has. But if I eliminate JFK, Bobby Kennedy will be powerless.
- 10:56And that is exactly what happened. So right way, Dorothy Kilgallen knows that
- 11:01the strongest motive for eliminating JFK is Marcello. So in Dallas, what she
- 11:09does is she looks into all of that, and then she goes to New
- 11:11Orleans. She connects Marcelo Oswald and Ruby, and she decides that this is
- 11:18the information she knows. But what she learns that I found out kind of
- 11:24about the end of last year. I had gone that far and I felt
- 11:28like that I had proven that Dorothy was murdered and so on and so forth.
- 11:31But then I got an email. And I'm going to give my email
- 11:35address right now, Mshaw, I am at Yahoo because I answer every single
- 11:39email that comes in. We've gotten about five thousand of them in the last
- 11:43four or five weeks or four or five years. And I should tell you
- 11:46too that what happens along with that is that there are now eleven million YouTube
- 11:54views of my presentations and interviews about my five books having to do with Dorothy
- 12:00Kill Gallen and the jfk assassination. And people get in touch with me,
- 12:03like those may who are watching this program and give me tips and things like
- 12:07that. So I get this email from a gentleman named Morris wolf in I
- 12:13think about September of last year. Mister Shaw, I just watched a presentation
- 12:18of yours at the Allen Library outside of Dallas, and I noticed the familiar
- 12:22name Dorothy Kilgallen. He said, I knew her. Well, of course,
- 12:28as you would do, carry your ears perk up, because not that
- 12:31many people are still alive that know that knew Dorothy Kilgallen. So I call
- 12:37him and we have a long conversation, and unfortunately I couldn't record it because
- 12:43he was spewing out all of this information that I found absolutely fascinating. And
- 12:48what he said was first, yes, I knew of her. But let
- 12:50me give you a little background. I graduated from Eale Law School and I
- 12:56went to work for Bobby Kennedy in the Attorney General's office. In fact,
- 13:00they trusted me so much, he and his brother, that they had me
- 13:03take messages back and forth from the Attorney General's office to the White House.
- 13:07I rode on my bicycle eight blocks to do that. And the reason was
- 13:11because they believed and knew that Jay Edgar Hoover was tapping their phones. Now
- 13:16think about that, that's at the top echelen of the government and they have
- 13:20to worry about Hoover. He said. I worked for Bobby Kennedy for several
- 13:24years. He described him in his office, his shirt sleeves were rolled up,
- 13:28his tie was undone. He looked like he had just come back from
- 13:33oversleeping. I mean, he was a real genuine human being in that regard.
- 13:37He didn't dress up much. He didn't like it. So he gives
- 13:39me all this information and he says that here's what happened. He said,
- 13:43I worked for Bobby Kennedy. I wrote Title two of the Civil Rights Act
- 13:48while I was there, and it was a wonderful time in my life.
- 13:52But once that was over, he said to me, well, what are
- 13:54you going to do now? I said, I don't know, and he
- 13:56said, well, there's a man I want you to meet. His name
- 14:00is Senator John Sherman Cooper from Kentucky, and he's a Republican. But he
- 14:05and JFK, my brother, are really close friends. Bobby, I mean
- 14:09John Sherman Cooper and his wife have been to of dinners at the White House,
- 14:15and I have photographs in Fighting for Justice and latest book of that happening.
- 14:20All of that. He said, I want you to meet him because
- 14:22he's become a member of the Warren Commission. So Morris says, listen,
- 14:28I decided to do that, and what I have to tell you, Mark,
- 14:31is that I believe you're going to be able to expose for the first
- 14:35time the inner workings of the Warren Commission and all of the corruption that took
- 14:39place there. Senator Cooper and I got to be really good friends, and
- 14:43finally he would take me with him in his sob to the Warren Commission hearings,
- 14:48and I noticed right away that there weren't very many commission members there.
- 14:52It was the staff who was interviewing the witnesses and so on and so forth,
- 14:58and that bothered me. He said, you know, I couldn't figure
- 15:01out what was going on. I tried to figure out who he had on
- 15:05the Commission. And so to do that, what we need is to go
- 15:07back in time just a little bit. When JFK. Carrie is killed in
- 15:11nineteen sixty three, j Edgar Hoover is in a difficult situation. He's afraid
- 15:18that he and the FBI will be held responsible for JFK's death, that they
- 15:26should have stopped it. And so what does he do. He goes into
- 15:28protective mode. The first thing he does is yell Oswald alone, Oswald alone,
- 15:33Oswald alone to the world. So that's getting him on the track that
- 15:37it's a nut that did this, and there's no way the FBI could have
- 15:41done anything. There's no plot to kill the president, nothing like that.
- 15:46Second thing he does, he confiscates all of the Dallas Police Department records.
- 15:52He then steals basically JFK's body and sends it off to Washington, D C.
- 15:58For an autopsy, saying that there's no state crime for killing a president,
- 16:03which was absolutely false, and the autopsy then will be conducted in Washington,
- 16:07D C. Instead of Dallas. All right, So he's buttoned up
- 16:12those two loopholes, three loopholes. So what does he do now? In
- 16:18LBJ figure out that there's going to be an investigation. Congress is looking into
- 16:22it, the state Attorney General in Texas is looking into it. They can't
- 16:26let that happen. There's too many skeletons in the closet, for instance,
- 16:30with Hoover and LBJ, especially the LBJ with the oil industry and Billy Salastes
- 16:36and all that. So what do we do? Got to do. We're
- 16:38going to appoint a commission and to give it authenticity, We're going to get
- 16:42Earl Warren, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, to head the Commission
- 16:48will be known as the Warren Commission. We're then going to go ahead and
- 16:51pick members on the Commission that we can control, that we will go ahead
- 16:56and be able to get them to agree to an Oswald alone conclusion, because
- 17:02that's all we're going to investigate is the is Oswald alone? Nothing else?
- 17:07And so I looked into who the commission members were, and what I found
- 17:11out is that they they decided to look at commission members they could control who
- 17:17would go along with the oswaldlone conclusion. Now, this is the cover of
- 17:21Fighting for Justice, and you will see on here I hope in your and
- 17:25your viewers can. This is the commission members from left to right over here.
- 17:30The important ones are Senator Richard Russell, who will talk about where got
- 17:33then, uh, Jerry Ford and I found audio tapes of conversations between LBJ
- 17:41and U and Jan Garvover talking about the commission members, and one of the
- 17:47interesting comments that LBJ said was, well, we need to get Jerry Ford
- 17:52on there. He can't walk and chew them at the same time. Yeah,
- 17:56I heard that story quite a quite an interesting I think, all right,
- 18:00then you got you've got Earl Warren there's LBJ, and then we're going
- 18:06to talk about two members over here, Well, Richard Russell here and that
- 18:10Senator John Sherman Cooper right there. Okay, but let's come come back.
- 18:15So Hoover gets this group of individuals and Alan Dulles, by the way,
- 18:19and that really is the first one that I think Dorothy just couldn't understand and
- 18:23I didn't either during my research, because Alan Dulles was the former CI director
- 18:30who lb who JFK had fired two years earlier. I mean, what in
- 18:33the world is he doing on there? But the reason he was on there
- 18:37is because LBJ and Hoover could control him. So they go ahead and they
- 18:41have the hearings and John Sherman Cooper in fights Morris Wolf to the hearings and
- 18:49he sits in the back row, and all at once he says, well,
- 18:52before I go any further, I need to tell you what John Sherman
- 18:56Cooper said about the proceedings at the Warren Commission. I'm just going to read
- 19:00some of them, and they're very disturbing. They the commission members already know
- 19:04about the Jack Ruby connection to organized crime, but they don't want to touch
- 19:10it. It's more than Oswald, but Hoover and Chief Justice Earl Warren keep
- 19:14pushing the Oswald alone conclusion. Our new president wants to cover up the truth
- 19:18and move on. And then there was this one, which was there are
- 19:22several of those, but basically he said the inability to gather all evidence in
- 19:26certain areas, as well as a number of suspicious circumstances deduced from the record
- 19:30of the witnesses as maybe preclude the conclusive good termination that Oswald and Oswald acted
- 19:37the loans. So, as you can see, Cooper does not believe that
- 19:45Oswald did not They didn't have assistance when he shot, you know, when
- 19:52he shot JFK. And Dorothy had found out, you know that there were
- 19:56questions about all that in Dallas when she was there. So what happens next?
- 20:00Well, I tried to do more research because I had missed all this,
- 20:03Carrie, and I feel badly that I did. I should have done
- 20:07more research about the Warren Commission. So I decided to look into Senator John
- 20:11Sherman Cooper's oral histories at the University of Kentucky, and I found a file
- 20:17there that basically duplicated what I just read about his suspicions about Oswald alone,
- 20:25and also that he had written a letter of he had decided to resign from
- 20:30the Warren Commission at one particular point because he wasn't even being invited to some
- 20:36of the Warren Commission hearings, like when Oswald's brother was testifying or whatever,
- 20:41and he was so upset he finally decided. He was talked out of it
- 20:45by LBJ, but he was really upset. And I found out that his
- 20:48brethren in all of these suspicions about Oswald alone was Senator Richard Russell of Georgia,
- 20:55a Democrat, and he and Cooper were good friends, and and Cooper
- 21:00listened to Richard Russell about a lot of things having to do with government.
- 21:06So then I found the goal. I found a September eighteenth, nineteen sixty
- 21:10four document in Richard Russell's oral history at the University of Virginia at Anniversity,
- 21:15Georgia, and here's what it says. Richard Russell forced a final executive session
- 21:21of the War and Commission that would mean all the members. His main agenda
- 21:25was to present his prepared dissent and refused to sign the commission report unless his
- 21:30dissent was included. After presenting his concern, he was joined the dissent by
- 21:34Senator John Cheryn Cooper and to a lesser extent, Representative Hale Boggs. In
- 21:40an oral history conducted late in his life, Senator Cooper recalled that Russell's well
- 21:45reasoned opinions had great influence on Cooper's own admissions. Like Russell, Cooper was
- 21:49impressed with a strong and compelling testimony of Governor Connolly, and thus was willing
- 21:56to follow Russell's lead in rejecting the single ballot theory and the Oswald alone conclusion.
- 22:03So, as you can see, during that during that meeting, they
- 22:07had decided to demand a descent be in the final report of the Warren Commission.
- 22:12Well right after that, Senator to John Sherman, Cooper found out that
- 22:18that was not in there. Now, this is six days before the final
- 22:19report. And Morris Wolf said, if you want to see how disgusted Senator
- 22:25Cooper is, just look at that photo of him right there. Look at
- 22:29his face and he's almost hiding behind Hail Boggs. He is so upset with
- 22:34what the Commission is doing. So what happened then? I thought that was
- 22:37disturbing enough that they had that meeting, because the descent was never in the
- 22:42final report as promised. But even worse than that, to show you the
- 22:47links that Hooper and LBJ and I think Dulles went to to cover up any
- 22:52possibility of the truth the document, the descent document was destroyed and never seen
- 23:00again. Rot Richard Russell find that found that out. They also were supposed
- 23:03to record that particular hearing with the Executive Committee by a stenographer, and only
- 23:11later did Russell find out that the woman in the room who was typing away
- 23:15was not recording that session. So what Hoover, LBJ, Alan Dulles,
- 23:22maybe Earl Warren decide we don't win any record of this whatsoever. That's probably,
- 23:26in my at least in my opinion, that's government corruption at its worst.
- 23:30At Dorothy Kilgallen found out about this because just let me finish this and
- 23:36then I want to hear what you have to say. This is most important,
- 23:38Morris Wolf said, you know, I know I knew Dorothy Kilgallen.
- 23:42I used to go to parties at Senator John Sherman Cooper's home at twenty ninth
- 23:48in n Street in Georgetown. And by the way, you would know,
- 23:52I looked that address up and I found out that's where Cooper lived. And
- 23:56I sat right next to Dorothy Kilgallen at the dinner her table. He described
- 24:00her as a bright light bulb, that she was even interrogating me about matters
- 24:07of government and Cooper and all that while she was having her Caesar salad.
- 24:11I mean, she was on the ball and she was really doing what she
- 24:15could do. The other thing that Cooper did was to trust her with the
- 24:18Warren Commission Jack Ruby testimony, which she printed on the front page of the
- 24:23New York Journal America. Ja Edgar Hoover was so upset that he sent two
- 24:30agents to interrogate her. And I think this is the most impressive comment that
- 24:37she ever made, showing her integrity, because after they said where did you
- 24:41what's your sources? Where'd you find them? What city did you find?
- 24:45She said, I would rather die than reveal my sources. And what did
- 24:49Hoover then do? He's only got one loose end now the Ruby's killed Oswald.
- 24:56Oswald is Ruby is looked upon his crazy at his trial. He's used
- 25:03the Warren Commission to cover up any possibility of ascent. There's only one loose
- 25:07end, and that loose end is Dorothy Kilgallen. And when she goes back
- 25:11to New York, she's a blabbermouth. I told you before, Carrie.
- 25:15She tells everybody she's going to solve the assassination, but she's scared. She's
- 25:21getting a life in she's afraid of her life in her family, and she's
- 25:23getting a gun. If the wrong people knew what I know about the assassination
- 25:29would cost me my death. We don't have to go into the whole scenario.
- 25:32But on November eighth, nineteen sixty five, she's found in a bedroom
- 25:37she never slept in, eyelashes, false hair piece, her makeup on,
- 25:41wearing clothes, she never wore, to a book upside down on her lap.
- 25:45And we know from the research that I've done that she ended up having
- 25:52three lethal barbituits in her system. I always say to people, if you
- 25:56want to know why Dorothy Kilgallen had it right whole Marcello Oswald, Ruby connection
- 26:03and everything else, it's right because she was writing a book for Random House
- 26:07and Jay Edgar Hoover could not let her do that, and so they had
- 26:11to silence her. Yeah. Hey, and the magic bullet also recently we
- 26:18get it discredited by a secret Service agent who said he found the pristine bullet
- 26:25and put it next to Kennedy. I guess was it Poddoley? I don't
- 26:30remember for safe keeping. So sixty years later, that theory gets disproven,
- 26:36and that's the whole crux of the entire explanation of the assassination. Proof that
- 26:42Oswald was the lone gunman been discredited, so ergo their whole story has crumbled.
- 26:49But it's so many years later. It's sixty years later, Mark,
- 26:53and you know almost to the day. You know, both you and I
- 27:00both remember what we were doing that day. Sure, and there still are
- 27:04people who care. But it's ancient history to the bulk of humanity. I
- 27:11don't know if that's true. I go to the fact that I'm not trying
- 27:15to break but eleven million views of my presentations and interviews, five thousand emails
- 27:19and everything. But I just want to emphasize one more time, and I
- 27:22want you to explain the Carrie connection here is fascinating. It would all have
- 27:27never happened if he hadn't take a little take. I don't believe she would.
- 27:32Maybe she would have looked into the assassination, but not with eighteen month
- 27:34investigation. It was because of how JFK treated Carrie. Let people know,
- 27:41get that my mother was a huge Dorothy Killed Gallon fan, he would recount
- 27:48years later, when Dorothy announced she was getting divorced, she was devastated.
- 27:55Dorothy's son was Carrie. And that's how I got the name because there weren't
- 28:00many Jewish carries around back then, male, you know, primarily a Irish
- 28:07female name. I didn't know that, I'll be yeah, yeah, so
- 28:14that's what it happened. I knew to enter your connection. Thank you,
- 28:17Dorothy. Yeah, but I do feel like a connection to him because,
- 28:22you know, based on everything you've told me about him and her. You
- 28:27know, it's like I just wonder, you know, you wind up,
- 28:30how do you get a name? And then what does that name mean?
- 28:34And then you know when we first talked, I was about sixty, and
- 28:40it's like all these light bulbs go off, like I have a connection here,
- 28:44not a direct connection, but a connection of somebody who was a fan
- 28:48of Dorothy's and actually named her child based on Dorothy's choice of no Oh absolutely,
- 28:56and I think you've seen the photographs of her in the living realm of
- 29:00her home that are in the books with Carrie playing with him. I mean,
- 29:03she loved him so much. She was didn't have a great affinity for
- 29:07the other two, you know, Richard. Her husband was an alcoholic,
- 29:14and then the son was a big problem. She had to send him to
- 29:15military school. Jill all that always was a pill. But Carrie, she
- 29:22just loved Carrie so much. Well, I don't know if I told you
- 29:23this before. I don't want to forget. I know, we just out
- 29:26of time. But at one point, right before she died, they warned
- 29:33her and it scared the living you know what out of her because on the
- 29:37front page of the New York Times, she saw a photograph of Carrie running
- 29:42across Central Park by himself, and she took that to mean that somebody she
- 29:48knew people were following her, but now they were following Carrie, and it
- 29:53really scared her. And the people close to her said, Dorothy, you've
- 29:56got to give this up. You've got children to and she just couldn't do
- 30:02it, and unfortunately it cost her her life. I told you that before.
- 30:06I remember that something to that effect. So yeah, hey, Mark,
- 30:10just tell us your website how we connect with you on the web and
- 30:14find out more and buy your book. Thank you. That's very nice of
- 30:17you. I appreciate it. It's markshawbooks dot com and that email is Mshawi
- 30:23n at yahoo dot com. I answer every email. And if people want
- 30:29to look at some of these presentations up on YouTube, just go in there
- 30:32and throw in my name and Dorothy Kilgallen. We're magic together. It's right
- 30:37open. And Mark, I got to say, like, long before I
- 30:40ever met you, i'd been hearing about you. Of course, you were
- 30:44a conspiracy theorist, a kook who just couldn't leave the facts alone, and
- 30:49always looking for something nefarious. But you basically spent your life on this fifteen
- 30:56years fifteen years, yeah, a long time. And you know, like
- 31:00I've followed this, probably more than a rich person. I've read, watched
- 31:06thousands the videos. So and being a lawyer, a recovering attorney, I
- 31:12called myself America's te dude bring attorney. I know bs when I hear it,
- 31:18and things. You know, there's no such thing as coincidences. If
- 31:23things are too pat if it's good to be true, it's too good to
- 31:27be true. The Warren Commission was just a bunch of like fairy tales wrapped
- 31:33with a bow to the American public. The American public never bought it.
- 31:38My parents, okay, they were hardcore Democrats in the sixties, and I
- 31:45remember my father saying LBJ did it because why else did he seal everything up?
- 31:52They sealed the records. We still don't have those records. Even Trump
- 31:55wouldn't let it go. What did Trump say when someone asked him, I
- 32:00said, you know, basically, it's so horrible I can to let it
- 32:04out. Well, it keeps going on. I think I've proven as well
- 32:08as I can through my research there was a plot to kill JFK. The
- 32:14work ambition, corruption is there. But one of these days I'm going to
- 32:20try to get the New York District Attorney's office to reopen Dorothy's case or basically
- 32:24provide an investigation since there wasn't one when she died, and see if I
- 32:29can't get her reputation reach stored because she didn't overdose on drugs at all.
- 32:34There is a provision in the New York Charter, the New York City Charter
- 32:38that if you get like three people together, they can petition the court to
- 32:43empower an investigation for virtually anything. Mark, I'm going to look that up.
- 32:47I think you believe city charter so you basically start an action and they
- 32:54have to appoint a special counsel to investigate and on wene that and I believe
- 33:01it's in the new City Charter that was passed during Rudy Giuliati. It had
- 33:07never been used. I heard about this from the former New York City Corporation
- 33:12Council W Bernard Richland, who was a legendary legal mind, one of the
- 33:16most legal minds I ever met. And this could just be the perfect applications
- 33:22for that, for that the clause of the charter so well research and that
- 33:29he signed up for. Hey, if you would, yeah, yeah,
- 33:30hey. And if anyone's got a question for Mark myself kl at Carrie LUTs
- 33:35dot com, shoot us an email. Mark will answer it. A promise,
- 33:38And while you're on the site, sign up for a free newsletter.
- 33:42Mark Chap Thank you enough for coming on again. It's always amazing talking to
- 33:45you. You're good man, Carrie, Thanks so much. Thanks for listening
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