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INTERVIEW: Diarra Killpatrick Talks 'Diarra From Detroit' Season 2, Black Womanhood, Challenges of Producing, Confidence, Black Sitcoms + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day.
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  Speaker 2: A week ago, the Breakfast Club finish'd.
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  Speaker 3: Morning.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious, Charlamagne the God we
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  Speaker 4: are the Breakfast Club long.
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  Speaker 3: And Roses here as well.
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  Speaker 4: We got a special guest in the building and Patrick welcome.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much morning. I'm excellent.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 7: You've been practicing, by the way, And you know what, Jess.
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  Speaker 5: I have so much to say to you. I told you,
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  Speaker 5: I just I just my heart. You're like my little
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  Speaker 5: baby now.
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  Speaker 7: I just like every time the interview comes up with
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  Speaker 7: you and Angie Martinez and my feet, I just feel
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  Speaker 7: like such a kinship and I just want to thank
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  Speaker 7: you for your vulnerability in that interview.
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  Speaker 5: It was really really beautiful. I do but but period, period.
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  Speaker 7: But it's just yeah, I felt such a kinship in
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  Speaker 7: terms of you know, just being out here being these
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  Speaker 7: chocolate high achieving black women. You know, the stakes are higher,
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  Speaker 7: the protections are less, and the way that you moved
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  Speaker 7: through that I thought was really beautiful and commending.
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  Speaker 5: All of y'all.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there's this false narrative sometimes that there can
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  Speaker 7: only be one black woman at a time. So it
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  Speaker 7: was really beautiful to see this whole thing play out
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  Speaker 7: where it's like there's room for all of us, and
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  Speaker 7: all of us are so special in our own way.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, Isa Ray came to the screening in
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  Speaker 7: LA and somebody, you know, no shade at all from
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  Speaker 7: the best of intentions, was like, oh, she's like passing
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  Speaker 7: the baton, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, she's
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  Speaker 7: not passing a baton.
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  Speaker 5: We're running.
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  Speaker 7: The half of that have a better keep running like running.
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  Speaker 7: We're all running together. So all of us and then
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  Speaker 7: all the people at home who also know they're supposed
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  Speaker 7: to be in these chairs and ps nobody's asking for
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  Speaker 7: or the little choc nobody's going, who's the next media
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  Speaker 7: star out of the hood of Baltimore.
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  Speaker 5: Who's the next star of a TV show that's that's.
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  Speaker 7: Darker than a paperbag? And over forty nobody's asking for us.
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  Speaker 7: We have to bend reality to our own will, and
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  Speaker 7: we're gonna make mistakes and it's gonna be hard, and
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  Speaker 7: I just want to encourage everybody out there. And when
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  Speaker 7: I saw you just owning your shit and also moving
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  Speaker 7: through it with grace, I just I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 7: that's my girl.
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  Speaker 6: That's appreciated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: At what point did you realize waiting for permission was
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  Speaker 8: actually delaying your purpose?
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  Speaker 7: Pretty early, you know, I started writing pretty early, but
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  Speaker 7: I think you know what it was. It was an audition.
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  Speaker 7: I think for mad Men it was. It was an
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  Speaker 7: audition for mad Men, Like I loved that show. It
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  Speaker 7: was such a Presti show and really put AMC on
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  Speaker 7: the map. And finally they had an audition for a
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  Speaker 7: black girl and I auditioned and I did get it,
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  Speaker 7: and then they had me come back for like her friend,
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  Speaker 7: the black girl's friend, and I didn't get that, and
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  Speaker 7: I remember thinking like that felt like my whole year
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  Speaker 7: was done. Like you didn't get the black secretary with
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  Speaker 7: four lines on that Men, your whole year is just done.
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  Speaker 7: And something to me was like that's insane, Like not
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  Speaker 7: only do you have so much more to give than
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  Speaker 7: five lines or one scene on a prestige white show
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  Speaker 7: that's not even really gonna ever really get inside the
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  Speaker 7: interiority of that black woman. So I think it was
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  Speaker 7: around that time that I was like, we need to
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  Speaker 7: be at the center of these stories and driving them
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  Speaker 7: and not like beating ourselves up for not getting four
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  Speaker 7: lines on their show.
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  Speaker 3: So you do me one favor before we continue on.
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  Speaker 3: You look at him right there, right.
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  Speaker 5: Morris, wanna you talking.
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  Speaker 4: About I don't think they heard you say.
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  Speaker 5: Here.
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  Speaker 3: He looks like Morris Chestnut. And I just.
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  Speaker 4: Want to make sure, because you know, you had this
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  Speaker 4: conversation with everything are different.
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  Speaker 9: You feel like it's like it's more undercover, under a
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  Speaker 9: little bit under cover.
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  Speaker 5: You need a shot because I think that helps the people.
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  Speaker 8: It's all bald, dark skinned, nineties rom Com, fine with
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  Speaker 8: it all.
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  Speaker 5: Just let him have it, Let him have it, just
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  Speaker 5: let him have it. Congratulations, Charlemagne, I heard I read
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  Speaker 5: you rich.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you so much, very much.
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  Speaker 7: So you know what with twenty seven million dollars we.
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  Speaker 2: All talk about.
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  Speaker 5: When you're standing on that back to show money, you
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  Speaker 5: look like I had the double take. Yes, you do
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  Speaker 5: look like more.
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  Speaker 4: Creative writer and lead actress, which is more difficult for you.
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  Speaker 7: I definitely think the producing and all of that is
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  Speaker 7: the hardest part of it. You know, you're it's especially
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  Speaker 7: at this level. You're not just like, hmm, what can
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  Speaker 7: I create? It's like you have a budget, you have
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  Speaker 7: lots of you have lots of people who are in
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  Speaker 7: your charge. I remember I made a pilot for Amazon
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  Speaker 7: like some years back, and I remember looking around, like,
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  Speaker 7: what is going on. Everybody's looking to me in a
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  Speaker 7: way that I don't really understand this kind of leadership position.
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  Speaker 7: And I called shout out to Misha Green, who is
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  Speaker 7: a showrunner. She created a love Craft country and all
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  Speaker 7: these things. But I called her and I said, am
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  Speaker 7: I everybody's mother? Why is everybody acting like this? And
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  Speaker 7: she was like, yeah, You're everybody's mother. And at that
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  Speaker 7: point in my life that made no sense, Like I
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  Speaker 7: didn't understand that I wasn't actually a mother. Now it's like,
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  Speaker 7: I want to get the job done. I want to
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  Speaker 7: do it well. But I also realized I'm dealing with
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  Speaker 7: human beings and artists and people that have hearts and souls,
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  Speaker 7: and so it's a lot to manage the whole the
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  Speaker 7: whole picture as a producer. The writing is only difficult
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  Speaker 7: because it's like writ into a gun to your head.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: We don't always have.
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  Speaker 7: As much time as I want or as many writers
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  Speaker 7: as I want. The acting is just fun. The acting
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  Speaker 7: is pure, unadulterated fun.
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  Speaker 6: And so that's the funnest part about it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, especially once you imagined it and then you show
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  Speaker 7: up on the day and you're like, oh shit, y'all
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  Speaker 7: really made all these sets just how I imagine, you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's just yeah, that's the that's the fun part.
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  Speaker 8: I always wonder with writers, like what does writing show
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  Speaker 8: you or all force you to confront about yourself that
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  Speaker 8: acting doesn't.
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 7: It's funny because the writing sometimes is more personal than
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  Speaker 7: the acting. My good friend Gary Lennon, who is you
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  Speaker 7: know over in the Power Universe, he said to me
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  Speaker 7: one time, when you turn in your script, if you
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  Speaker 7: don't feel like a little bit embarrassed, you probably didn't
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  Speaker 7: go deep enough. And so a lot of people think, oh,
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  Speaker 7: I'm playing a character that's named after me, this must
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  Speaker 7: just be me exactly. But the truth is I'm in
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  Speaker 7: all the characters. I put my secrets in, my embarrassments
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  Speaker 7: and my vulnerabilities and all of those characters, and so
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  Speaker 7: it does feel deeply personal. Sometimes we're acting, sometimes I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Like, that's that's not me. That's just I'm just out
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  Speaker 5: here just staring at method man, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 7: Going back and forth with him, like that's that's not
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  Speaker 7: my life, you know what I mean. So it's yeah,
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  Speaker 7: for sure, the writing gets gets deeper, cuts more to
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  Speaker 7: the bone.
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  Speaker 6: So you actually, this is why I ask you.
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  Speaker 9: He's the one you went from like being in love
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  Speaker 9: Deonta slash Chris Sorry to now wanting to leave him?
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  Speaker 5: Ah hm it be that way, yeah, But like I
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  Speaker 5: guess what I'm giving up?
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  Speaker 2: Given too much?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I know you got biological clock. It's like, no,
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  Speaker 9: this is what I want. I got things I need.
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  Speaker 5: But like now y'all.
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  Speaker 9: All cold a business. You can't even really leave them
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  Speaker 9: at this point. But it's like before you even get
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  Speaker 9: it to all of that, is that really enough to
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  Speaker 9: make you want to leave the person that you was?
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  Speaker 5: Just like the whole season one, it was like, oh
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  Speaker 5: this is my my gosh.
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  Speaker 7: But we talked about this a lot in the writer's room,
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  Speaker 7: and I feel like this happens a lot in life.
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  Speaker 7: We romanticize things and then you get it. Then they
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  Speaker 7: say more tears are shed over answer prayers than unanswered prayers.
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  Speaker 7: So you get the thing you've been fantasizing about, you romanticized,
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  Speaker 7: and now you hold it in your hand and sometimes
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  Speaker 7: you like this has trauma.
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  Speaker 5: Like this is there's there's issues here.
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  Speaker 7: And that's also another thing about when you like the
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  Speaker 7: way someone looks, you, like the way someone makes you feel,
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  Speaker 7: when you like somebody's sex, all those things that's different
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  Speaker 7: than them, and all their baggage and trauma and all
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  Speaker 7: the things that they're bringing to the relationship that you
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  Speaker 7: have to sort through.
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  Speaker 5: So but he didn't know, he didn't know. It's not anybody,
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  Speaker 5: it's not his fault.
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  Speaker 7: That's what I love about it, is like nobody's wrong,
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  Speaker 7: you know, like he he needs to unpack everything that's
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  Speaker 7: happened to him. His whole identity is shifting, you know,
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  Speaker 7: not realizing that his mother was not his actual biological mother.
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  Speaker 7: But at the same time, you know, women have a
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  Speaker 7: finite time to be able to conceive, and they're just
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  Speaker 7: maybe not at the at the same place at the
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  Speaker 7: same time. So some of the trauma that you can
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  Speaker 7: like live with in your twenties, you know, work helps
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  Speaker 7: somebody work through in their twenties and thirties. You don't
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  Speaker 7: have time for that your forties or you know, late thirties.
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  Speaker 8: So I've never stayed in a relationship because you love
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  Speaker 8: somebody's potential more than the reality.
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  Speaker 7: So yes, I mean, but I've been with my husband
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  Speaker 7: since NYU you know, we've been together over twenty years now,
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  Speaker 7: so yeah, it was a lot of potential that I
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  Speaker 7: saw in him.
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  Speaker 5: But I have to say I.
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  Speaker 7: Kept seeing him realize it little by little and step
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  Speaker 7: into step into who he was. But I do underst
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  Speaker 7: staying my friends that are in their thirties and forties
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  Speaker 7: talking about I'm done dating potential. I can't you gotta
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  Speaker 7: you gotta show me something.
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  Speaker 5: At this point, I.
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  Speaker 1: Was wondering what your message to those women in this
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  Speaker 1: new season is right, because you're realizing a lot, but
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  Speaker 1: you're also standing on the line. I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times we will realize what we won't push through
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  Speaker 1: because of age and time clocks and things like that.
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  Speaker 5: What do you? What do you?
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I was You're so beautiful. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: I was like, you're all blind.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry they are hated.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate all the chocolate women in this.
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  Speaker 6: But he just like I felt it. It's the bad energy.
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  Speaker 5: That was something about.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to do'ty, You're not far from
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  Speaker 1: He's Dominican, no, but you know you like my son
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  Speaker 1: is like skin, you like scared, but you're black Dominican,
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  Speaker 1: Dominican you from by way afrom.
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  Speaker 3: There's no Domini, no see, no Poppy.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I am not Danish, I'm not Latina. I am black. Message.
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  Speaker 5: This reminds me of the show where he's getting roasted.
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  Speaker 6: Family.
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  Speaker 7: I know y'all love each other because y'all are roasting
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  Speaker 7: is y'all's love language. Yeah, and I love that about
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  Speaker 7: you guys. It makes me feel at home. But what
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  Speaker 7: were you saying? Beautiful, thank you?
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  Speaker 1: I was asking you when you sat down in a
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  Speaker 1: writer's room, what is the one message you wanted black
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  Speaker 1: women to take away from Standing on Business from season two?
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  Speaker 7: You know what, there's a I try not to get
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  Speaker 7: on a soapbox, honestly most of the time. I want
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  Speaker 7: black women to be seen and to move for this
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  Speaker 7: one woman to move through that, like to move through
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  Speaker 7: like I think I want to have kids.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm supposed to. Just watching her
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  Speaker 5: move through.
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  Speaker 7: That and all the challenges and the realities of that,
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  Speaker 7: I just hope women feel seen.
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  Speaker 5: The only time I got on my soapbox, I have.
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  Speaker 7: To say is episode two, where she's my character is
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  Speaker 7: talking to this young girl who's afraid of going to
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  Speaker 7: prom because she wants to have sex, but she doesn't
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  Speaker 7: want to be viewed as a whole.
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  Speaker 5: And my character is like girl, be a hole. And
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  Speaker 5: that is one little.
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  Speaker 7: Soapbox because I have so many I feel like the
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  Speaker 7: way they raise us black girls was so intense.
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  Speaker 5: It was like keep your heading in books, look at
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  Speaker 5: them boys.
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  Speaker 7: You better not come back. And you're pregnant, you better
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  Speaker 7: stay focused. It was so intense that I feel like
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  Speaker 7: I have so many friends that are like thirty five,
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  Speaker 7: thirty six, forty.
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  Speaker 5: They don't even know how to talk to guys.
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  Speaker 7: And now they're at a point where they're like, I'm
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  Speaker 7: trying to get married and have kids and do all
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  Speaker 7: these things and I've never even been outside joy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And so I just don't want to take that away
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  Speaker 7: from white girls, because I mean from black girls, because
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  Speaker 7: white girls get to be.
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  Speaker 5: A whole, like that's a that's the thing.
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  Speaker 7: It's like go out and explore, like that's yourself, Like we'ressing.
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  Speaker 5: That's the whole part. And she says in the show,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying be a hole.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we're being funny, but sometimes that line is
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  Speaker 7: so stark.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like, if you have sex at all.
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  Speaker 7: You're a whole if you if you were out, if
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  Speaker 7: you go out with three dudes, you're a whole. And
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  Speaker 7: sometimes I wish I had been outside a little bit
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  Speaker 7: just to do what you can go to today?
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  Speaker 3: How much time.
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  Speaker 7: Because talking to you as a follower, well not three
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  Speaker 7: dudes that one listen, I mean, respect yourself. Really, what
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  Speaker 7: I'm saying is do what feels good to you. What
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  Speaker 7: I'm saying is, don't stay inside because you think, oh
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  Speaker 7: this is gonna tarnish me, or I have to stay
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  Speaker 7: so focused, get comfortable in the company of the opposite sex.
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  Speaker 7: If you want to express yourself sexually, you should be
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  Speaker 7: able to do that, obviously with someone who respects you
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  Speaker 7: and all of that stuff that goes without saying.
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  Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying until marriage.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we hope to tell your daughters.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, yes, you don't have any sons, right, but.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the Bible says.
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  Speaker 5: But do you wish you want?
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  Speaker 2: I want my kids to be better than I was.
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  Speaker 2: That's the whole point.
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  Speaker 7: I don't because I don't even know that that black
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  Speaker 7: girls are going to get What if you don't get.
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  Speaker 6: Married exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Get married?
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  Speaker 2: What if you wait till you get.
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  Speaker 3: Married, and.
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  Speaker 6: This is crazy, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 7: Explore your explore your sexuality, Explore your body, explore, give
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  Speaker 7: yourself permission to feel pleasure and to be pleasured. I
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  Speaker 7: think that's really what it comes down to is Black
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  Speaker 7: women need to get in their pleasure back and center
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  Speaker 7: their pleasure. And I agree, Like I wasn't having sex
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  Speaker 7: when I was super young, and that's in the show
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  Speaker 7: as well. That's that's very true, and I think that
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  Speaker 7: would have.
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  Speaker 5: Confused me.
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  Speaker 7: Like I feel like I would have fallen in love
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  Speaker 7: with some dudes that I didn't need to fall in
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  Speaker 7: love with, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: So that's that's important.
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  Speaker 7: But once you feel grounded and centered and ready and
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  Speaker 7: with somebody who respects you, girl.
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  Speaker 2: You enjoy you.
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  Speaker 9: I get what she's saying, though, but exactly because you
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  Speaker 9: date people that's not necessarily good for you.
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  Speaker 6: But that's how I.
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  Speaker 9: Learned what is appropriate and inappropriate in relationships. That's what
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  Speaker 9: I learned, you know, That's what I started building my
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  Speaker 9: standards up. Like you know what, all right, I went,
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  Speaker 9: I was about to go to jail for record hering
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  Speaker 9: take this nigga.
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  Speaker 6: Charge didn't even know you know what I mean, But
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  Speaker 6: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 4: When did you really love the guy in the wheelchair,
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  Speaker 4: wasn't it the guy with you trying it?
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  Speaker 6: That was a sugar daddy, But that was I was young.
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  Speaker 5: You know. I love your open mind. I love that.
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  Speaker 6: But I had to bet because he didn't have no legs,
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  Speaker 6: you know, he didn't even.
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  Speaker 8: When you first started dealing with guys like for you
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  Speaker 8: said you didn't do it when.
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  Speaker 2: You were young.
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  Speaker 5: No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 7: One thing I loved, my mother said to me, and
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  Speaker 7: she never she never put shame on sex.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel like that's such that was such.
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  Speaker 7: A gift, and I think that's really what I'm saying is,
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  Speaker 7: don't put shame on our girls when it comes to
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  Speaker 7: our sexuality. But my mother was always like, listen, Dara,
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: I think you're gonna love sex. I think you're gonna
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: just I think it's gonna be so great for you.
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: I don't think you need to do it now. She's like,
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Think you're ready, and ps, these little boys.
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: Don't know what the hell they're doing, so let them
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: practice on these other bitches.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: And then when you feel ready, then you can. Then
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: you can join the party. So it was to me
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: the perfect advice.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: You understood the empowerment of that at that young age.
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I knew she wasn't lying because she had
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: like the Kamma Sutra next to her bed, like.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I knew that she was not.
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: Sexually repressed, like she wasn't giving me advice from dogma
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: from from just Christian dogma, or but she had lived
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: and that she sent her pleasure in her own life
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: because I would find things, you know that's a diaphram
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: like oh interesting. So she really she let me in
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: on it all, so I was clear. I think in
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: high school that it wasn't for me. And it's funny too.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: My high school boyfriend was like, you did the right thing,
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: because my first experiences were she didn't have a good
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: time for sure.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even think it's about whether or not you
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: have a good time.
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: I just think sex is adult business, and it's it's
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: a responsibility that kids.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Really aren't ready. I understand that like sex confuses things.
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: Understand that that's all I'm saying, Just wait until you're
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: of age and responsible enough to handle everything.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: That comes with it.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: I agree, And the girl that I'm talking to in
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: the show is a senior in high school who starts
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: to go off to college. So she's a you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: this is I'm not telling twelve year old girls, bless
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: it open. No no, no, no, that's not that's not don't at.
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: Me old about fifteen sixteen years and I think, and
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: I think we put pressure on people to have sex,
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: Like you get to a certain age and.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: You think, oh, I should already have sex already.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Who says I agree with that. What it is is do.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: You like That's what I think. That's what I'm saying,
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: is like, make sure you're doing you. And what I
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: say in the show is don't let anybody stop you
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: from living your life full out. And that's just that's
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: just some That is where I got on my soapbox
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: to black women.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: But you know what's crazy, though, I feel like a
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: lot of people who watch the ear from Detroit and
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: begin to love it is because it's so like that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: we watch the evolution and of you, but we don't
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: feel like it like it's just like you're.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: Just freely floating.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: But we get even at the end of season one,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I knew you were different than the first episode I watched.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Then now going in the season.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Two, I'm like, she's still very free do the most,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: but you love yourself a little differently, and that I
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: think is it just feel it feels good to watch it?
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Thank you?
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's the challenge of the show sometimes too,
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: is making sure that the character evolves. But also she
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: can't have off too quickly or else there'll be no show.
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: You believe it, Yes, yes, it's true. And so some
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: people are like, why she's still making bad decisions.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: It's like, because that's very much real life.
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: Like but that's real life though you just don't wake
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: up and you know, switch from bad decisions to good
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: decisions overnight.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: You don't do that. That takes time. Well for some people,
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: you know, it just takes time.
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: But bt BT plus shut down into your show, moved
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: over to Paramount.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: Yes, that transition, like.
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: You know, it's it's double it's double edged, just because
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: you know, I do want to acknowledge before I get
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: to the positives like when they shut, when they when
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: they shut or something like BT plus. You know that's
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: a lot of black folks that are with their jobs.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: So that's that's the difficult part about it, is you
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: really pray and hope that everybody lands on their feet
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: and that these are blessings in disguise, you know, to
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: push people to their next evolution. But I but you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: I create where That's kind of why I left the
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: theater was because I had a moment where I was like,
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: I don't want to tell stories to one hundred people
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: at a time. I really want to tell stories that
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: reach a broad audience. I feel like the Black female
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: experience should be for everybody to behold. You know, we
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: just haven't had enough content with black women at the center.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: And so there is something nice about there's eighty million
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: subscribers worldwide, that paramount plus. You know, little by little,
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: the show is going to be exposed to a broader audience.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: And it's not just me, the other actors in the show,
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: the city of Detroit. You know what it is to
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: be a woman at this time in history. All that's
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: going all around the world now, you know, on b
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: T plus. I don't know if people realize we weren't
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: even in Canada and Mexico, you know, no, I didn't
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: know that. Yeah, so it's it is nice to travel
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: to send a trade out to the whole white to
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: the whole white world.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: How did you know this was the path for you?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Because going through your just seeing your history, all the
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: productions you did in the theater, and you know, going
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: to NYU and graduating from Tish what how did you
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: know this was the path?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Because as a father, I have four girls and two boys.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: You know, they're in production and they're in this, that
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: and the other. But for me, it's it's a hobby
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: for them to stay away from the streets, to stay
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: away from the negativity. But how did you know that
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: this was your path to continue on?
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: My mother would always say, do something you love. From
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: the time I was little, she was always like, do
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: something you love? Do something do you love? And I
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: know that some part of me must have been like
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: this is crazy. Then this is far fetched. But you
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: know what, I will show some love to my brother too,
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: because my brother was elected mayor he was thirty one.
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: I was a teenager, and I remember that was such
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: a big moment. And I do remember standing on that
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: stage when he was inaugurated and he turned around to
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: me and he said you're next.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: And I remember being like next, that what next?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: For what?
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: And it took you know, quite a long time from
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: that moment. But seeing him hold that job and just
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: be this kind of huge, charismatic, intelligent presence that that
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: really didn't make me feel like.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: I could win.
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: I could do kind of whatever I set my mind too,
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: So that was part of it. But you know, in
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: the city of Detroit, we are unabashedly ourselves and sometimes
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: delusionally confident.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: So that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: Works on the Killpatrick name because of your brother.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know, I don't I don't care.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: I just you know, I've always I always just do me.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: It wasn't gonna change or stop anything. And you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: I think we're we're such an indomitable And that was
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: another lesson that he showed me too, Like watching him
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: walk out of jail, I was like, oh shit, anything
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: really is possible. So I think that, you know, my
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: family just kind of is. We're just indomitable.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: That's all I can say about that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: Because you know, when it comes to black politicians, they'll
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: put disgraced by their names.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Ever ever, I mean for ever.
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but you'll see the white politicians.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Do way more headed things.
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: You don't see them always label a disgrace like, it's like, God.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: That's real, It's true.
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Even when they write about the show, they can't they
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: can't help but say that in Detroit. Yes, but you know,
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: everybody has nine lives, nine acts, and he's definitely having
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: his now, and you know, you can't adjust based upon
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: what other people are saying, thinking they're doing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, do you.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Wish people understood?
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: Well, what do you wish people understood about the emotional
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: lives of black women?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: That TV gets wrong a lot of times.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: You know, I just think that we're one thing or
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: the other.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: I remember when I was developing early on, I developing
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: a show of FX, and my agent was like, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: she wasn't even being shady, she was really trying to understand.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: She was like, I mean, the character's not hood, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: she's smart. But she's not she's not a black white girl,
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: but she's She was really trying to understand where to
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: place the character and how she did talk about it
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: as she was trying to sell this project and discuss
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: the project with me in the lead role. Of course,
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: a lot of that changed with EASA because it became
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: very clear like, oh, there's not just ghetto is shit
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: and Hillary Banks, Yeah, like that's the only two places
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: they like to to slate us in. And there's just
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: you know, I feel very authentically so many different things
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: that have so many different shades. And that's the thing
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: that I want people to people to take home.
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: I feel like that's this era because growing up in
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: the nineties, we had it. I feel like you saw
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: every shade. You saw every you saw all the diversity
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: of black women, like everything from Martin, Geena and Pan
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: wasn't like the ladies on Living Single, you know what
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, The girlfriends wasn't like the women on a
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: Different World and God Like, it was just.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: We had it all. It's true.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: It's true because we changed that though, was it because
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: what we saw on TV shunk like it was less
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of it?
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: Well, I will say, you know, in the nineties, the
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: black sitcom was able to flourish. I don't know that
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: there were very many dramas. I don't know where I mean,
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: we have might have had a very special episode and
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: I can't even think of one. Actually, was there a
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: very special episode where Maxine sead like really came apart
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: and was really going through.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Something or carry.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: Former Campbell when she had HIV episode?
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: But you know, they let us clown.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: They let us clown in the nineties for sure, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: I don't know that we always got to go home
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: in those quiet intimates, you know, maybe more emotionally heavy moments.
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I think that comedy changed a lot. You know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: for a minute, the kind of broad sitcom became a
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: dirty word. Now we're moving back towards kind of broader sitcoms.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: But you know, the business, the business changes. I'm not
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: sure why.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: All the all the black comedies dried up, but I
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: know they're coming back.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: I think because there was influencing too many black people
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: to do positive things.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Serious.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: I believe it was too many positive depictions on black
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: black people on TV. And I think that they was like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: you know what, reality shows a producer the cheap and
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: we can promote the degradation of black people.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, I really believe now.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: That you say that, I mean, reality is reality is definitely.
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: As both showrunner and lead, right, how do you protect
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: your creative vision now being at a paramount plus do
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: they try to change anything that they you.
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: Know, I don't know, like hopefully y'all watch this show
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: when we get a season three. Yes, And I wouldn't
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: tell yes, I'm gonna talk about that too, because people
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: are really I see on threads complaining said about wonder
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: Man is gone and.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: All these things are gone, but like.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Y'all got to support what's out here too, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: I see a lot of those those threads.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: But protecting the vision going forward.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: I haven't worked with their their staff, their day to
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: day staff in terms of like turning the scripts and
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: developing that kind of thing, but I think in terms
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: of protecting vision in general, it's something I had to learn.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: It's something I had to learn because when I made
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: my Amazon pilot, I remember and it didn't get picked up,
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: and I remember looking at the pilot like, dang, I
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: made some concessions that I didn't love. I'm proud of
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: that pilot, very proud of that pilot, but I wasn't like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: this is exactly what I set out to make. So
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: when I had this time, this second chance, that was
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: really high up on my agenda. I was like, whether
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: this shit works or not, I want this to be
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: what the fuck I wanted to be.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: And that's tough, you know what you mean?
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: That's tough because they're like, you haven't made a show
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: before you haven't been here before, and there is a
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: lot of expectation to take all the notes and to
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: be as collaborative as possible, which I want to be
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: because collaboration is going to get the best result, I think,
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: because you keep going back and forth. But I will
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: say there were times where people were like, oh, okay, interesting.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: And that's why I think why I felt my heart
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: went out to you is because nobody really teaches you
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: how to.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Navigate those things.
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: You know, sometimes you get to a place by being bullish.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: You have to be like, this is my idea and
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: this is what I want to do, and then you
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: get there and you have to also learn how to soften,
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: how to collaborate, how to make people feel like they're
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: at least helping.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: And so that's just something that I had to learn.
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: And one of the things is too like you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: it's in your language too.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like, I'm just.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: Wondering and this might be a really dumb idea, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: is there a world where this could happen?
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: You know, it really is. Sometimes as a black woman,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: sometimes I hate it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: That's the duality that they want to Understand's the only
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: duality that they understand. They get that when you gotta
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you can say what I was.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Saying, I do it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: And I say this all the time too, like I'm
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: very happy to be wrong about this, but I really
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: do haven't. And I stole this from from she Okay,
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: who is the director of our first two episodes. He
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: always goes, I have a hunch that he's normally right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: When he's got a hunch, you're like, oh shit, come
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: on right, yeah, but you know, you have to sometimes
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: change your language and.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Go, you know, I have a hunch that this might work.
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: And it's also difficult too, because the creative process is
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: sometimes it looks like you don't know what the hell
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: you're doing, and you sometimes you feel like you don't
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: know what the hell you're doing, and you still have
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: to perform confidence for people who are afraid that you
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: don't know what you're doing. So it's a lot, it's
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: a big it's a big thing, and I wish we
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: had That's why I'm happy to talk about this stuff
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: so that people people understand that it's a negotiation and
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: you have to learn little by little, and I think
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: it's in Melody Melody Hopson Melody. She's married to George
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: Lucas black lady that's like a financial whiz. She said
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: one time, you know that she was too much for
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: this billionaire, some billionaire who was.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: Like ah, and she said, I learned I had to
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: and I'm paraphrasing. She's like, I had to bring my
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: ship in, you know.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: And she was like, but it allowed me to get
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: closer to this man. It allowed me to learn so
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: much from this man. It allowed all these And so
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: there is something about a confident black woman that you
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: just have to know is going.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: To ruffle feathers.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: Y'all know how you have to come and sometimes you
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: have to come in a little under the under the thing,
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: like in a different and a different vibration.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: You're right, you gotta get.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: Always feel like it's the people who aren't doing enough
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: who tell people that they're doing too much.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: People that are always doing.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Oh now you quote that's like, I'm like, shut up,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: you ain't doing enough.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: Because because I find I find that you usually have
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: to push people to be all that they can be, Like, yo,
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: you have so much more that you can be offering,
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: like poor that shit on the table. But I think
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: because of what you just said, people have that mindset
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: and so they, you know, don't give the world everything
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: they could be given the world.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you have I agree with that.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: I think you do have to give permission to people
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: to like to stand at the fullness of themselves. But
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: then that's the But that is the thing about being
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: a black woman is that our parents raised is like.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Out like that, And when you're in the company of
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: other black women.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: You're like, yes, bitch, yes right, And then you get
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: into a corporate environment or whatever.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: In your life running white folk.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: It ain't even white folks, and white folks love it
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: sometimes be.
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  Speaker 8: The older I get what you said, older black people,
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: shown't be too loud.
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  Speaker 1: The world will humble you, like and it will make
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you feel like you crazy, It will make you like
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that come see this is
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the world, come on, bring it on in. But do
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you think that as black women we ever get to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: be cause I know your second season you start out
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: trying to live this peaceful life and things get crazy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Do we ever really get to a real place of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: peace or do we learn to find piece and the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: things that are just crazy because that's just.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: What we deal with every day.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: I think we do learn piece I've learned a lot
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: of peace. I feel like I'm moving with much more
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: peace than ever before.
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  Speaker 5: I Mean, it gets hectic up.
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  Speaker 7: In here, but yeah, I think we have to, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: I think we have to to move from a place
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: of peace. And I do feel like that's why. That's
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: why I feel like these older women be talking crazy
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: because they really have arrived at like I'm good, Like
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: I don't give it like I'm good with me. But yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I think and I also think piece is a choice.
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Every single day. You gotta get up and use peace,
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: like like, oh, you chose violence, we have to choose peace.
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: We'll go back to something you said because it made
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: me think right like you, Yes, you do pour into
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: you know, we do pour in our daughters. Then tell
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: them that they can do anything they want, they can
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: be all that they can be, be confident, blah blah blah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: And you know, Lauren, you said the world humbles you.
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: But that is what we're trying to get them to
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  Speaker 8: not do. Like we don't want the world to be
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: able to humble them. So what is if you got
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: all that poured into you, what was it that made
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: you take a step back?
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: That constant, constant yo, you are not you know, it's
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: just like a I don't know, Like the people shut
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: you down.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: People will tell you everything you're not doing on people
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: or people will see you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: They will envision what they think you should do and
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: be like, fuck, whatever you're doing, this is.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: A different way.
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: This is this is what you need to do because
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: they want you to be what they see you.
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a good thing too, because sometimes people see
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: that you don't see in yourself.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: It is, but you always feel like you're missing constant
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: fight to like verify what you feel about yourself, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that gets a weird middle space because it's like I'm
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: supposed to be confident in myself, but at the same time,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I trust you. I trust your opinion, so I want
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say, but it battles
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: with how I feel. So now I'm second guess and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: how I feel now I'm guess in the world now
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: walking through the world like let me.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's weird enough.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Sure, your vision nobody believe. A lot of people didn't
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: believe in your vision. Whatever your mom put into your
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: made you say.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: F what those people says. I'm gonna do it regardless.
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I really believed in it, and I
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: and I also like that it's the cliche thing, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: it's like I have to look at myself in the
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: mirror at the end of this. I really want to
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: make something that I feel proud of. I don't want
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: to disappoint myself. That's the worst feeling than disappointing.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, people, but I think.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: You know, and I have trouble with this quote even
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: though shout out to Malcolm X, but you know, it
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: is true. They say that black women are most unprotected,
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: and so.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: That's what it is.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: You You're the loudest, you're the most confident, you're unabashedly yourself,
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: and then you're the most unprotected. Did So that is
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: where the tension lies. And that is why I say,
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: you know there sometimes you might have.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: To perform just.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: Take it down, speak really, you know, because we're used
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: to our emotionality.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: We're used to it. Other people are not.
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: They can't take it. It disturbs them. So you have
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: to kind of take it down, get your get in therapy, meditate,
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: make sure that you're communicating from a place of calm,
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: centered wholeness. Even if what you're saying is right, you
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: still have to communicate it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: And I'm talking professionally. Yeah you know what I mean.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: Professionally you could and if call you, oh, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: I don't know how many times me and Yvonne, Yvonne
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: org you will play each other and people have been
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: cussed out, everything, You have been called everything but a
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: child of God. Get that one person that you can
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: unload with so you don't crash out.
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: But even if it was so, look, they were in
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: a you know, corporate setting. You can't just be like, guys,
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: I'm letting you guys know right now I'm about to yell,
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: you know, getting upside, and then you do it and
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: they be like, Okay, everybody, okay, everybody cares.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: You can go in and all of that ship man
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: like you can't.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Like, it's not even about yelling.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: I think it's just preparing women for knowing that sometimes
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: you showing up is gonna disturb. Just showing up in
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: your fullness, Is you showing up the way you've been
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: raised to show up is gonna disturb?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Jesus? That's interesting. I mean, at least for me, would
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I get disturbed when I see it? The other way?
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: When you see what when I see them not showing up,
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: Like I know, I'm like, yo, this can be so
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: much more.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Like show up. And I also think women perform better.
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: When they know people got their back, especially when happen
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: when you know that you got somebody that got your back.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Being places that it don't feel like that there, it's
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like you there, but like I'm front line by myself,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and I know that unless I like dire need help,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like people be there for you as a black woman,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Like when you get in a certain situations, it's like, nah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it's just me, especially in a corporate setting. You ain't
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: got no kok skin folk in the corporate setting most
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of the time as black women, unless like this is
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the first space I've ever worked in where I feel like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, we might not always agree, but like if
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: something is really bothering me, I can come to y'a.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Y'all got my back. Normally it's like I'm not talking
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to them people like not to that extent.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I try to hold on.
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: I hear Oprah talk about that, you know, she was like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: I come, you see me, I stand as ten thousand,
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: Like you really do have to arm up, Like I've
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: got my ancestors and our ancestors. Oooh, what they show up,
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean, because they.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Really are rooting for us and holding us down.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: So I do try to remember that that I'm never
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: by myself, because yeah, I'm empowered by so many of
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: my ancestors.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I know that to be fact.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Have you ever a mistaken fear.
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: For God telling you no when really it was just feard?
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: That's a good question. Yes, I think so. I think
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: I mistake fear for a lot of things. I have
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: mistaken fear. This happened recently. Actually, my brother happened to
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: call me the day I was doing Kimmel Comen Domingo
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: was hosting.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: And don't you just love him? It's like so much
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: talent and beauty enjoyed there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: And I was heading to the hotel to get ready
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: for it, and I was like, he just happened a car.
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: I hadn't told him I was doing it, and I
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: was like, I'm doing Kimo and I'm kind of nervous.
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: I was like, I didn't get that thing that you
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: and daddy have because my daddy was was also a
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: preacher and a politician. And I was like, I get
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: nervous every time I have to like go out and
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: do these big you know, these big moments. I'm like,
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: I get nervous and I just didn't get that thing.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: And he was like, what are you talking about? He
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: was like, I was nervous as hell. I was scared
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: when I was running for mayor. I was thirty one
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: years old. He was like, I used to be in
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: a car.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Like, oh, he never scared. Like he was like, I
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: was playing. I used to have to hype myself up.
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: And it was such a gift that he gave me
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: because my fear was telling me You're just not this
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: kind of thing, You're just not this kind of person.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: And really it was like, no, we all have to
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: overcome it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: We all have to work little by little to become
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: the best version of ourselves or to be to become
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: more of ourselves. And so I think in that instance,
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: that's when I felt like, oh, the fear is, the
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: fear is got.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: In my head and it's telling me, telling me, lies.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Do it scared? My girl Jazz Flights, they do it scared.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Do it's scared?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Scared?
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: Wow?
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: I love you love the show.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I know season three and all that things are going
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: to happen, like you you're doing it exactly what supposed
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to be doing.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us, Thank you for having me.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: You just brought in the Jess.
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: I love you.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I love I love so much because just is a
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: sister that that we all love and we just want
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: to see her do amazing and we know she's capable
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Thank you well.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like her issues are self inflicted conversation.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Okay, always hating.
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: They turned you into Charlemagne Une, Yeah in Detroit, definitely
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: check it out.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: D R.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Kill Patrick. Thank you so much for joining us.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: Thank you appreciating what I feel like. I'm back on set.
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: I got Morris and I got mess. I got method man.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Now you got you means like people.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: You're giving me.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: You know you just learned to clean his ass? Did
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: you see that online?
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: That did I didn't want me and my wife.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Me and my wife is going together since sixteen fifteen, right,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen year old high school right, let me finish.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: She only want to hear it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: My wife got her mental when she was with me,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: got her period when she was with me.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: That's really I'm explained. So we experienced a lot together.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I came from both forgetting exactly I don't know what
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: you're trying to bloody, I hate you.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: We were. That's not that funny now, but we were.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: We were you know, you know when you.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Take a shower with your girl and this, that and
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the other fifteen that was little olderties.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Yes was, yes, they were.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: It was not in my third years. I was not
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: in my thirties. I had my first child when I
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: was twenty two, twenty three. But you're not listening to me.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: But when we were taking showers with each other, sure
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: you wash your wife, wife washes you.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: And then one day she said.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Whoa, what are you doing?
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: She was like, forget it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: All I want to say is my son is five.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: He's five, and you thoroughly washes hellhole.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: Hello, I don't even have the burden be conversation with
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: my dad and you're not how dirty had to be
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: for his wife to get fed up to do it herself.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's like the Dominican maker.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But it's crazy.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Then applaud your bravery for sharing that, but it's not.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I love I love it, Jesse, honor believe that you
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: leave your thank you for doing your vulnerable breakfast the morning.
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: Every day I wake click your glass up the breakfast
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: club finished for y'all.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Dump