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Hasan Piker _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _567(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: And again, thank you so much. Today's guest is one
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  Speaker 1: of the most popular streamers. He's a leftist political commentator.
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  Speaker 1: You can see countless clips of him. debating social issues
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  Speaker 1: and political topics. I admire his work ethic and his
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  Speaker 1: pursuit of information and communication. I am thankful today for
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  Speaker 1: his time and our conversation. Today's guest is Mr. Hassan Piker.
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  Speaker 2: Shine on me and I will find a It feels
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  Speaker 2: like I made so many requests where I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God, I need to have my dog here, all
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  Speaker 2: this shit.
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  Speaker 1: No, dude, I'm just saying it's all stylish. You're like probably, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is the top is some, I mean, both are Japanese,
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  Speaker 2: I think, actually. Oh, yeah, that's what it is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a Japanese brand called Color with a K. And
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  Speaker 2: the pants are Adidas Y3, Yoji Yamamoto collab.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 2: You don't fuck with fashion at all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you got a look, though.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like to have a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Should we save this for the pod? That's normal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we're rolling?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My bad.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I didn't have it on the. That's why
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have it in my mouth because I thought
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  Speaker 2: we weren't filming it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that is style. That's yeah. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's definitely very stylish. My good friend Aaron, he started
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  Speaker 1: a company called John Elliott.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I've heard of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They have them, like, now in, like, in Nordstrom.
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  Speaker 1: And it's, like, a– they have, like, it over, like–
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  Speaker 1: I think it was, like, right after, like, G-Star kind
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  Speaker 1: of came out. Like, G– I got into some G-Star
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you got some G-Star?
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  Speaker 1: That was, like, as, like, let me see what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing kind of as I got. I would like to
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  Speaker 1: have more fashion sometimes. I just don't know if I–
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  Speaker 1: I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got to look.
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  Speaker 1: I get too overwhelmed. I like knowing, like, there's about
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  Speaker 1: 17 or 18 things that I wear that will be okay.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, you got to look. You can't be saying, I
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  Speaker 2: need to get into fashion, and you're making a deliberate
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  Speaker 2: choice to not have a mustache and grow a beard out. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you think so? I feel like that's a look. Maybe that.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought about that. Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: You got the flannel.
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  Speaker 1: It's that little, like a sock for your chin kind of,
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's brave, by the way, I just got to say.
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  Speaker 1: To do just this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's brave.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think that's a culture thing? What culture
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  Speaker 1: is your family from?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Turkish.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so- In Turkey, is that a thing? Do you
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  Speaker 1: see just this ever in Turkey?
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes. I mean, we don't got Amish people. Normally, the
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  Speaker 2: only time you see the beard and the no mustache
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  Speaker 2: combo is if they just go with the full one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just like, I don't know why they do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a guy with a huge beard the
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  Speaker 1: other night at a comedy show. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio. He had a huge beard. And then an Edgar,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of Mexican kind of Edgar cut in the front.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it was great. This guy was ginger. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: probably Amish or recently Amish or once removed or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And he had had like, I mean, you could tell
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  Speaker 1: somebody in his, somebody at fucking, he probably had nails
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  Speaker 1: in his pocket. You know what I'm saying? He definitely,
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  Speaker 1: somebody had somebody, uh, I don't know, man, but no,
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  Speaker 1: you're probably the most style. I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 1: somebody else more stylish that's come in here. Oh, here's
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  Speaker 1: some facial hair types right here. This is very important.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, this is like that Russian ethnicities photo grid. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Uh-uh.
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  Speaker 2: Like in the USSR. This is crazy. This does look like. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, they're showing us the different kinds of Armenians.
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  Speaker 1: It does look like 40 degrees of Uber. That's what
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  Speaker 1: it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, look, that's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought this was one of those terror watch fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Charts, dude. No, no, no. This is like, look at
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  Speaker 2: all the different ethnicities in the USSR. It's to be
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  Speaker 2: better at racism. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I... Dude, racism used to be so
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  Speaker 1: easy in America. Like, when I was growing up, it was, like, easy,
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  Speaker 1: easy to do. Easy to be racist. Now, I've been
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  Speaker 1: to these... It's almost like you have to have a chart.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have... Yeah, that's what I... A calculator
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  Speaker 1: to even be racist now, it feels like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate that. God damn it. Racism used to
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  Speaker 2: be so easy. Yeah, what happened to the good old days?
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  Speaker 1: You could just point out the window and your stepdad
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  Speaker 1: just knew immediately what was going on, you know? Yeah, um.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just extra difficulty now. That's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to be smarter as a racist.
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  Speaker 1: We're trying to make the races better. Yeah, dude, because
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  Speaker 1: you said there's like a barrier to entry now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a barrier entry to doing racism. It's unironically
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  Speaker 2: a more difficult process now. But what I was going
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  Speaker 2: to say is, if you want to go back to
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  Speaker 2: the facial hair chart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, bring it up again, please, because I want to
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  Speaker 1: know what we're doing. Or was it yours, the other one?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, that was just a USSR race chart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can also get that USSR chart easily. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of those men you'll see meeting with very young
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  Speaker 1: girls at Starbucks, trying to get them involved in something
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times, it seems like. But what is
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  Speaker 1: this one?
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  Speaker 2: What do you got? You got the chink hurt? No,
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  Speaker 2: you got the goatee. That's what you have. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: guess I have the goatee. It's very simple.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of. It's like, I have a big nose. So
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  Speaker 1: I try to Matt, you know, you do little things
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  Speaker 1: to try and, you know, trick a wife or what
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  Speaker 1: it trick, you know, you want to have a spouse.
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  Speaker 1: So I have that. And then I have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more chin than my brother does. So I have
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  Speaker 1: a real chin in here. Some people it's, it's completely,
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  Speaker 1: it's a total mirage. Like, there's a guy that's in
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  Speaker 1: that power slap game and they can't even like, he
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  Speaker 1: has this huge.
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  Speaker 2: They can't identify where his chin begins. Yeah. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when like dudes have that situation going on and
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  Speaker 2: then they'll just like grow out their beard and basically
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  Speaker 2: try to like line it up so that there's like
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  Speaker 2: a chin there. And it's like, bro, you are not
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  Speaker 2: fooling anybody. And I don't even know what to do
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  Speaker 2: in that situation. Like if you got that, if you
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  Speaker 2: got that no neck edge shit, then you're kind of
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  Speaker 2: cooked regardless.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, I mean, good luck. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There is the one where it's crazy where sometimes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they cut the hair exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's no neck.
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  Speaker 2: Ed, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing real estate now too. Yeah. He was doing
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  Speaker 1: lemonade sale. He was in like a, he got caught
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  Speaker 1: up in big lemonade, or not big lemonade, but like lemonade.
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  Speaker 2: Big lemonade.
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  Speaker 1: He was, I know he got, I think he was
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  Speaker 1: involved with lemonade for a bit. I saw him. selling
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  Speaker 1: uh he.
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  Speaker 2: Was involved with like a like a child like what
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  Speaker 2: do you mean.
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  Speaker 1: No like he was selling he got caught up ed
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  Speaker 1: and pete's there it is something like that or lemonade.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he like actually had his lemonade brand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he was selling it was like uh it was
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  Speaker 1: the opposite of you know they have like a long
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  Speaker 1: neck bottle that was the whole play on it oh oh.
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  Speaker 2: That's weird i know that's such an odd thing that
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  Speaker 2: he was so he made like like a short and
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  Speaker 2: stubby one yeah who.
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  Speaker 1: Wants that baby lemonade out of ed Oh, he definitely
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  Speaker 1: looks like the kind of guy that you would just,
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  Speaker 1: you want to fucking crack open. He looks like that
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  Speaker 1: fancy syrup. You ever see the fancy bottle of syrup
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't have, bring it up if you can.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of light brown. It has a brown top
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  Speaker 1: on it. It's maple syrup, but it's wide.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, like the maple version like that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the 365, the Whole Foods, that matte finish one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the one that looks like a liquor bottle.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like an old brown jug.
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  Speaker 2: That one, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I always, he kind of had that. Anyway, I feel
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  Speaker 1: bad we're making fun of the guy now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't, I don't know. I remember watching 90
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  Speaker 2: Day Fiance, and he didn't seem like a good dude.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 2: He didn't seem, he didn't strike me as like a
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  Speaker 2: very nice guy, but I mean, who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll jump on a hate wagon in a heartbeat, dude. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know. Fuck head, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I saw the other day he was doing
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  Speaker 1: real estate, man. Hasan Piker, thanks for coming in, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're super busy, man. I admire, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: how streamers, how the effort it is. It almost seems
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  Speaker 1: like it's like one of those races in the Olympics
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  Speaker 1: that it's like an endurance game. But also just like
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  Speaker 1: your openness to like thinking about things. You don't seem
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  Speaker 1: like just like one type of person or like you
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  Speaker 1: could pigeonhole you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I do I do a little bit of everything
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  Speaker 2: I mean but even just.
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  Speaker 1: In your own beliefs like in you know when you
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  Speaker 1: talk about political stuff it's like you seem very poignant
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  Speaker 1: but also like aggressively open to things you know which
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  Speaker 1: I think and that's a judgment and maybe I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have said something like that but anyway I just admire
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  Speaker 1: the way that you do things dude so I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you coming and hanging out that's all I should.
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  Speaker 2: Have said thanks for having me I think streamers are
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  Speaker 2: basically like the bottom of the totem pole as far
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  Speaker 2: as content creators goes like It's definitely laborious, but I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't say that it's like super difficult because like overall
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  Speaker 2: a Hollywood production, if that is like the highest stage
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  Speaker 2: of like content creation and you have, you know, hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of people working all around the world, working around the
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  Speaker 2: clock to put like two and a half hours of
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  Speaker 2: content together where everyone's going to sit there and watch.
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  Speaker 2: Twitch streaming is like the lowest of the low where
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  Speaker 2: it's just like, A dude like me, half the time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, picking at his crotch watching youtube videos picking
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  Speaker 2: his nose and it's you know it's you have to
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  Speaker 2: be on for eight hours at a time and it's
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  Speaker 2: like usually one person doing that and that's annoying and
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  Speaker 2: you got to be like constantly listening to people chirp
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  Speaker 2: at you um and that part sucks but overall i
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  Speaker 2: would say it's like the you know, lowest tier of content,
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  Speaker 2: lowest effort of content.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that it's the purest of content though,
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  Speaker 1: in a weird way? Like, because it's, I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: I do is hide. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What I do is AM radio, but, um, what I
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  Speaker 2: do is, is basically AM radio, but for zoomers, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I like, that's how the way I describe myself. Like,
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  Speaker 2: do you know, like, I'm sure, you know, Rush Limbaugh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Um, like that's, That's the way that I describe what
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  Speaker 2: I do to older people in general, where I'm like
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  Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh, but without the brain rot, quite literally and figuratively.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he did die of brain cancer.
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  Speaker 1: Did he? He had addiction, I know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he also had a hole, I think, in his
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  Speaker 2: brain from all the perks. He was a perked up shouty.
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  Speaker 1: He was definitely my body my body yeah I think
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  Speaker 1: he definitely was one of the early um he was
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  Speaker 1: almost like a rapper in a way like with the
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  Speaker 1: pills I think he had the women bring up Rush
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  Speaker 1: Limbaugh's wife let's even get a no I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't I don't know I feel like those guys don't
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  Speaker 2: fuck I don't know why like unless they're unless they're
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  Speaker 2: gay the gay conservatives like the the ones in the
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  Speaker 2: closet like they fuck okay never mind she's kind of
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  Speaker 2: she's kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of a looker huh I mean, she's better looking than him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not saying much. That's true, but still.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen, yeah, sometimes you get a, yeah, she has
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  Speaker 1: a very, who does she look like a little bit?
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen his wife. Or someone's widow Catherine.
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  Speaker 2: She kind of looks like, in that photo where they're kissing,
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  Speaker 2: she kind of looks like Walter White's wife. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: From Breaking Bad.
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  Speaker 1: The blonde haired lady?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or like hotter.
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  Speaker 1: And Tori Spelling a little bit too. She looked like,
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  Speaker 1: if you go back one, Tori Spelling was probably a
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  Speaker 1: four year time, but oh yeah, she does. Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I never looked at his wife or yeah, I never
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  Speaker 1: seen a picture of her before.
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  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I mean, it'd be weird if you were
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  Speaker 2: just like out there Googling Rush Limbaugh's wife. I do
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  Speaker 2: that all the time. I look at all the, all
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  Speaker 2: my favorite conservative commentators' wives.
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  Speaker 1: You just think like, yeah, I guess what are people's,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's good that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. What's one of the toughest things
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  Speaker 1: about streaming that people don't understand though?
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  Speaker 2: Um, I'll say it like this. Back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan used to always talk about how when you
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  Speaker 2: do a three-hour podcast, there are so much that people
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  Speaker 2: can just clip out of that and then take out
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  Speaker 2: of context, like rob it of its nuance and rob
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  Speaker 2: it of its context. And it was funny because at
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  Speaker 2: the time when he was saying this, podcasting was a
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  Speaker 2: relatively new medium. I'm talking like 2014, 2015 when he
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  Speaker 2: first was building out the Joe Rogan experience, right?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Every other week, seemingly the media would yell at him
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  Speaker 2: over some shit that he said on his podcast. And
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  Speaker 2: he was like, we're having an honest discussion. It's three hours.
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  Speaker 2: It's back and forth. It's going to happen. Like things
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  Speaker 2: are going to get taken out of context. I think
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  Speaker 2: for Twitch streaming, that's tuned up to 11, where not
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  Speaker 2: only am I live, I'm talking about politics. which are,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm talking about some really crazy issues,
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  Speaker 2: hot button topics. And also I'm doing that with a
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  Speaker 2: live audience who's constantly chirping at me in real time,
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  Speaker 2: trying to, you know, trying to constantly piss me off.
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  Speaker 2: And then when they do successfully piss me off, they'll
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  Speaker 2: clip that shit and post it on Twitter, post it
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  Speaker 2: on Reddit, be like, call out post, call out post.
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  Speaker 2: This guy's bad. Look at what he said. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you got like crazy dedicated haters too,
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  Speaker 2: especially cause you're doing politics in general, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of crazy dedicated haters. Uh, they, they
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  Speaker 2: just do, you know, they just compile all of that
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  Speaker 2: to be like, this is a bad person over and
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  Speaker 2: over and over again. Like you'll see it in the,
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  Speaker 2: in the comment section of this video, there will be
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  Speaker 2: a ton of people who are going to come in
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  Speaker 2: and be like, this guy is a bad dude. Like
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  Speaker 2: he said this, he said that. Cause like the major
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  Speaker 2: reason obviously for that is because I'm anti-Israel. Like I'm, I'm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pro-Palestine. I've been pro-Palestine for quite a while, and
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  Speaker 2: that really brings out the crazies.
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  Speaker 1: Does it really?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You haven't encountered this? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you had Gabor Mate on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had Gabor Mate. We had a rabbi. We
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  Speaker 1: had Bassem Youssef on. We definitely have tried to learn
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  Speaker 1: something about it. I think in the end, for me,
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  Speaker 1: it just became like my feelings just tell me that it's,
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  Speaker 1: Just messed up what's happened to those people. It's like
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  Speaker 1: and that a lot of it was covered up by
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  Speaker 1: the media or they didn't want you to share certain
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  Speaker 1: information or you weren't allowed to.
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  Speaker 2: No, for sure. I mean, that's how it's always been, though.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just for Israel. It's just in general, like
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: when it comes to American foreign policy, the American media
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: is fairly one note. Our politicians are one note on it, too.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: They're bipartisan on that.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: So when you say that, do you mean that they're
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: all in on the same, it's all kind of the
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: same ruse, do you mean?
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. They all agree. It's always uniparty when it
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: comes to American foreign policy, when it comes to giving
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: money to Israel, when it comes to a lot of
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: that stuff, like going to war with Iraq, right? You
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: got the media also presenting that lie that they have
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: chemical weapons, they have weapons of mass destruction, and uncritically
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: reporting on that to justify going to war with Iraq
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: going and invading a foreign nation that we had no
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: business invading.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: So that is, that happens all the time.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think that that's starting to get upset even
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: by like podcasting, streaming? Do you think that that apple
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: cart starting to change? It feels like.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. I think that.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: The independent media sphere definitely is like dominating partially because
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: of that reason. Sometimes for bad reasons, people have lost
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: confidence in media when they just don't like what they're reporting,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: even if they're reporting the truth. And then there are
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: plenty of major reasons like, like Jeffrey Epstein's death. Like
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: you go to any outlet, most of them are going
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: to rule it a suicide. No critical, no critical reporting
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: on it whatsoever. Just unconditionally saying like, no, no, no,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: it was definitely a suicide. Like the average American doesn't
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: feel that way. And also there's very valid reasons as
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: to why they don't feel that way. Israel is another
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: great example of this, where it was like 80% of
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Americans wanted a ceasefire. And yet, if you look at
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: all the way from CNN to Fox News, every single
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: outlet was just like, no, no, no, you don't understand.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Israel has to kill these children. Like, please. No, you
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: don't understand. Like, can you imagine? You got... Imagine a
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: role reversal in that situation where, like, you got... You
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: got Osama bin Laden's best lads on CNN immediately after
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: 9-11 being like, listen, we had to blow up the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Twin Towers. The World Trade Center, it was right there.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: It was asking for it. One of them was a
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: little askew. Yeah, yeah. We had to fix it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. There's that famous video that got shared
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: a few years ago during COVID when it was like,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: every channel was reporting the same exact, it was just
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the same script. It was almost just- Sinclair Broadcasting. Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So that's actually, that's ironically, a lot of right-wingers spread
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: that one.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Is that true or not?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: No, it is. But that's right-wing. That's Sinclair Broadcasting. It's
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: like a right-wing media company that basically bought out all
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the remaining local news broadcasters. Wow. So it's like an umbrella.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Right-wing media is all over the place, actually. And a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize it. Like when a, Whenever
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Fox News talks about like mainstream media lies, I'm like, bro,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: you are the most popular news network in the country.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: What do you mean mainstream media? Like you're dominating everybody else.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that a lot of times mainstream media
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: is also right wing media. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Right wing media is so dominant in the independent side.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Right wing media is dominant as hell, too. But on
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the mainstream side, right-wing media is incredibly dominant. They dominate
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the local news with Sinclair Broadcasting and also all the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: way up to Fox News, which is the most successful
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: network news broadcaster in the country.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Is Fox News the most watched news network?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: By widest margins.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not even close. CNN and MSNBC, Trump always
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: talks about how CNN and NBC are, you know, in
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the pooper. Their ratings are awful. These guys love presenting
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: themselves as vulnerable victims. And I really always get annoyed
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: by that. Like they say that about, they used to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: always say that about like Facebook too. They're like, oh,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: they're banning stuff. And I'm sure they banned like vaccine
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: denial or whatever, right? Because Facebook wanted to be woke
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and liberal. uh, until Mark Zuckerberg got hit with the
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Dominican Ray.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: But, uh, so then when people say mainstream media, then
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I guess what it, then what did it, cause it
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: always felt to me like, um, yeah, that every outlet
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: was just always super liberal. That's what it felt like.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: They are. No, no, for sure. Like a lot of
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: like the New York times, you got, uh, CNN, ABC, CBS,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: like NBC, these outlets are liberal. Now, obviously I'm, a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: little bit of a radical, I guess. So I'm definitely
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: not fond of the Democratic Party either, even though my
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: criticisms of the Democrats are because of their closeness to
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the Republicans in general. But yeah, they are, I would
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: say that they're definitely liberal, but that doesn't necessarily mean
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: that they're like on the side of the people or
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: anything like that, or on even the progressive side of
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: many of these issues. And that's why I said there's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this uniparty attitude, like liberals and Republicans, they basically come
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: together and agree when it Not the voters. I'm talking
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: like institutions. I'm talking politicians in general.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems to be, I think it feels so
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: far away from being represented. Like the people feel so
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: far away from being represented. And I feel like that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: seems like it's gotten further and further in my lifetime.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I can't tell if it's just because I'm getting older
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and so you hear about more stuff like that or
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: if it's actually true. But I think people just feel like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Why are we having to audit our own government, whether
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: or not the means that they're going about it are
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: good or not? But it's like the fact that people
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: are cheering to have our own government audited, the fact
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that it's like, yeah, that 80% of the people would
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: say they don't support what's happening in Gaza, but yet
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: we would still send money to Israel.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Trump has done that. The other day, Trump was like, yo,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: we can't give any more money to Ukraine because Right?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: You're done. He's like, Zell Disney, you're out. And then
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: he turns around and he's like, also, we're sending $ 3
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: billion of weapons and bulldozers to Israel pronto.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Did they really?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Bring that up.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: $ 3. 4 billion, I believe, on the same day. Yeah, Rubio
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: bypasses Congress to send Israel $ 4 billion in arms. They
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: were like, oh, we have to expeditiously send this out
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to Israel.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Arms for what?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? To continue... killing palestinians.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Is there anybody left there.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah there's still uh there's still a million plus palestinians
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: in the gaza strip um they're basically just like living
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in the rubble trying to rebuild i mean these are
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: some of the most resilient people on the planet like
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: they just they've been through hell a million times over
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You still see a lot of great Like, there was
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a beautiful video, I'm not sure if it was AI
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: or not, of them trying to celebrate Ramadan the other
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: night in the bubble.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, the long table? Yeah. Yeah, I think that was real, though.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think that was AI. Because I saw people
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: taking photos of that. Yeah, I mean, also, the other
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: side of this is, like, the Gaza Strip is, like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly children. Like, we're talking, like, the average age is 14.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: People are, like, 50 plus percent are minors. Well, that's
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I think that's before October 7th. But like a year ago,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: people would.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Be afraid to have, I think, this Congress to to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: people be afraid.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Including us. Like, I'd be afraid. I'd be afraid that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, I've been I've been actively and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: openly pro-Palestinian emancipation for the past decade. And I've seen
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a major attitude shift.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You're like Turkish Macklemore, dude.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Because he, yeah, he's been.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: When I was in third grade, I thought I was gay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Did he do that? That's what his song was.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, dude, you got to be pretty, you have
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to have an open attitude to even think that way
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in third grade. But no, he's just been, he's been
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: unabashedly afraid to share about Palestine, you know?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he's had his heart changed. I think his
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: heart's in the right place. I think he's doing great.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: He was from the beginning about it. I mean, he
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: was early on it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not like 10 years. He hasn't been, but since
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: it became like a hot, more of a hot button
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: issue in the past three or four years, for sure. Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'll never, I'll never discard allies. I'm,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you know, that's an amazing thing to, to look at
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the situation with clarity, with moral clarity and just be like, listen,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't know enough about this. And now I've recognized the,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the cruelty of, of what we are doing. Like, cause
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that's the other thing. Like, America, whether we agree to
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it or not, or whether we recognize it or not,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: is like participating in this in a pretty meaningful way.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: They're offering political cover at the U.N. They you got
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the basically war crime cops out there at the ICC
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and ICJ, the International Court of Justice, which prosecutes state
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: on state prosecutions. You have the International Criminal Court, which
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: is a court that prosecutes war criminals. Right.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And both of them have issued for Netanyahu to be.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Arrested, right? So South Africa has a case against Israel
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: for genocide. That's ongoing at the ICJ. And at the ICC,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court has a prosecutor that has issued
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Galan for the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: crime of doing a genocide, for being war criminals, intentional
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: starvation of a civilian, captive civilian population. It's a pretty
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: obvious war crime.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So– Well, I just think it's– honestly, bro, some of
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: it I think is kind of pussy. Like– and I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: hate to say that because some people don't have pussies
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: or don't believe in them or whatever. But it's like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I think if you're all– if your military is so great,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: send in snipers and get the bad guys. That's how
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I feel. Do some covert op shit. But just to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: be like.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: No, their military is ass though. That's the problem. They
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: just have like– they just have– overwhelming firepower and air superiority.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: But, but, but that's the part to me. It's like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: send in some, you know, if those are the bad guys,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: send in and get the, like do some, it just
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: felt like this. Uh, I don't know. It just started
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to feel gross. And then the great thing was, it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: feels like you couldn't hide it from a nation. You
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: could not hide from the world that what they were
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: doing was wrong. But going back to what you're saying,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: how much are we complicit in so many of these?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, types of things that happen in different countries,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and do we need to be?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: No, I think we are complicit. I mean, that's how
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I feel about it at least. But that's why I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: actively urge people to protest and do everything in their
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: power to try to put an end to this because
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I think we have a lot of power in this
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: regard in the United States of America. I don't think
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: that America is like a true democracy by any means,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and this kind of stuff basically puts that on display
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's like complicity in terms of like
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: your hands are bloody individually, but The least you can
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: do is not actively champion America doing this stuff and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: also go out and protest and try to give a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: voice to voiceless people that are just being massacred for
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: no reason.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Why is there such a strong bond between America
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and Israel? I've heard Candace Owens saying that she thought
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: it was blackmail. But why do you think there's really
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: such a strong bond?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Candace almost got a lot of thoughts on that stuff.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I think there's like two different camps here. You got
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: people who critically analyze the relationship with Israel, and then
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: you got people who are like, it's the Jews, you know?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I am in the critically analyzing the situation camp rather
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: than just being like, oh, it's Jews because they got
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: mind control powers or whatever the fuck people say. um
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: it's it's because it is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a resource rich region and it has its own espionage
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: facilities and that is the reason like we we basically
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: carried over from the british uh this this settler colony
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: in the region that we can just kind of use
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: or have a collaborative relationship with And it's incredibly valuable
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: for us. So valuable that like, I mean, Israel's blown
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: up USS Liberty, like a, like an American Navy ship. And,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and basically it was in the fifties, I think.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: In that process, like it was an incredibly valuable cold
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: war ally because we were terrified of Israel going in,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: like collaborating with the USSR. You got pen, uh, Arabic
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: nationalism happening all around the region, all these countries that
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: are developing nation states. are doing so on the boundaries of,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you know, defeating their colonial occupiers, whether it be French
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: colonialism or British colonialism. And simultaneously, they're looking to the USSR, right?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And they're like, you know, maybe you guys will help
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: us out. This seems like a cool thing that you
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: guys got going on over there. The socialism stuff ain't
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: too bad. America goes, fuck that. And they basically hit
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the Israel button as hard as they could, where they
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: were just like, you guys are going to be our
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: You guys are going to be our extension.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: It's like some of my friends say there are favored
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: client states and then there are client states that America
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: just discards. Ukraine is obviously a non-favored client state. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that's what happens when you're done with Ukraine, where you're like,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I'm done with this. You know, pack it up. Give
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: me all your minerals, even if you have any. Who knows?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I don't care. You know, know your place. America does
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: this to the Kurds all the time as well. where
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: they'll just like arm them and be like, yeah, you
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: guys need to get, you guys need to develop a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: nation state. It'd be nice. Kurds are ethnic minority in
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the region.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Um, 35 million people in the, in the middle East, uh,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: 35 million people, uh, don't have a nation state. Uh,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of them live in Turkey. So kind of
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: homeless Iraq. Well, yeah, yes and no. And, and there's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: like varying degrees of cruelty that they're subjected to in
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: these countries is like an ethnic minority. My country included
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: in Turkey.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And, um, They want to build a nation state. They've
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: got an autonomous region in Iraq now. They're in Syria
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: as well. They're in Iran as well.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So they're trying to figure it out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so America will go up to them and be like,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: we're going to arm you guys. We're going to train
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: you guys. Go fuck shit up. And then as soon
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: as they're done, they just discard them. And they're like, okay, go.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: They'll tell Turkey you can go and bomb these villages
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: that they're in. Who cares? It doesn't matter anymore.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: So what you're saying, I think it's like, that's one
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of the things that makes it tougher. The more information
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you learn, I think in the world, it's like.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: The shittier things seem.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In some ways, but the reality of things, you
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: just see the reality. It's like, yeah, you need, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: if you were playing a game of risk and you
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: were these dictate, you were these powerful people, how would
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you operate? And yeah, it just gets to, it gets
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to be tough to, Find out, OK, well, then what
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: is being an American still mean to me? And then
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: also that things are so conflicting and dangerous out there
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: amongst these like leaders and powers that you have to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you have to like kind of put a flag in
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: something for yourself, you know. Yeah. just to kind of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: get to, cause otherwise you'll just be sort of aimless.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It feels like, um, well, I mean, I think I,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm even explaining that fully right, but.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: You got to stand for something. Is that what you're saying?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: If you don't stand for something, you fall for everything.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's what I think. It's like the more
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: we learn about, um, history and the more we learn
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: about just like, um, the, the like, well, America did
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: these things and some of it, 9-11 could have been
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the result of some of that just as more as
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you start to learn that America hasn't always been this
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: perfect partner and this that it just starts to test
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like okay well what does it mean to be an
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: American to me but then at the same time you
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: need to be an American because you live in a
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: country that's safe and you're able to operate here within
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the country so it's I don't know, it just makes
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it kind of interesting. Does that make sense?
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: No, I get it. What you're exhibiting is a very
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: normal contradiction that a lot of Americans, when faced with
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the reality of American foreign policy, they come to terms
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: with this. Like they try to resolve this contradiction where
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: on the one hand you're saying, well, I'm an American.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I like the security blanket that I exist under, right?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But also simultaneously you're like, but damn, we're doing a
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: lot of fucked up shit around the world. I mean, look,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: people always yell at me and say, oh, Hassan, you
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: only say America bad. But I don't just stop at that. Like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I want America to be good. I think America has
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: an incredible potential. It's the wealthiest nation on the planet.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: It should be doing so much more to help its
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: own citizens and so much more to lead the way,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: pave the way for a new evolution of the way
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: that we look at international relations than the way that
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: we engaged with conflict. But the reason why America is
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the way it is, is because I see it as basically,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you know, 50 corporations in a trench suit. Like it's just,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: it's a holdover to extract tax revenue from everyday Americans
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and then give it directly back to corporations in the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: form of subsidies without ever regulating them and, you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: demanding anything in return. I think one of the best
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: examples of this was when You know, Russia invaded Ukraine,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: and then Russia is also part of OPEC +, so
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: they went back to Saudi Arabia.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so take us back. Our listeners, if we get
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: too much information, a lot of them don't.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: They're going to tune it out.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I think if it's new information for me, I
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: shouldn't say them. If it's new information for me, it's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: hard for me to go along.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Why are you throwing them under the bus? I know.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I am. My bad, guys. I am the problem. But
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: OPEC is the oil.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: So OPEC is like an oil NATO, is that right?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically, exactly. It's a cartel.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's a group of countries that
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: have oil reserves that basically set the price of oil barrels.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And Saudi Arabia is pretty dominant because, like, they have,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, they are the oil gods, basically.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Right, they're the big dogs, they're damp.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, yeah, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries And
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Russia basically went back to OPEC and was like.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. Yeah.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. At the time, Russia had a lot to,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot to gain from. And all these
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: other countries had a lot to also gain from basically
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: limiting the price of, or limiting the supply of oil.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: You know, we're in the post COVID era too. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: then like, they're also, they were also making a lot
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: of money in, or they had lost a lot of revenue.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So they wanted to recoup. Because nobody was like flying
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: around or using oil because everyone was like stuck at home.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Oil's been down. So they were recouping on those losses
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: by just basically saying demand is on an all-time high.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: We're not going to produce, you know, we're not going
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to keep up with that demand to make sure that
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: we stabilize the prices.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Right. So they're saying, oh, there's only so much oil.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Even though there's as much as they want, they kind
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: of want there to be. Oh, yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: They could have produced way more.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: So the point I was going to make is Brandon
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: went back to Saudi Arabia, you know, he shook hands
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: with MBS and was like, Brandon, Brandon, Joe Brandon, Joe Biden.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, Joe Biden.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He went to he went Saudi Arabia. He's like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: come on, Jack, you know, produce more oil. Come on,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: don't do it. And they were like, nope. The reason
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: why I'm telling this convoluted story is because then we
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: have American oil and gas industry providers, right? Like we
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: have our own oil. Everybody always talks about how we
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: have independence, like energy independence in America. So he went
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: back to the American oil and gas industry and was like,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: all right, you guys have to produce more oil because
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you have to offset what like OPEC is doing. And
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: you know what they said? Fuck you. That's what they said.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: They get, they rely, the oil and gas producers in
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: this country, the fossil fuel industry gets 80% of our
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: energy subsidies. It's like billions of dollars that they get.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Subsidies means they get kickbacks from the government. Not even
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: a kickback, like government collects taxes and then government gives
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: these companies, whether they're in agriculture or whether they're in
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the oil and gas industry, they give money to these
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: companies to keep prices relatively low, to keep up with
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: the cost of the production, right? They're like, hey, we're
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: going to give you this money. So you keep prices low.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: But in a time.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, because that company owns so much of the actual
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: market of whatever that product is that if they wanted
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to adjust it, they could do it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And they didn't provide. They just didn't supply the federal
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: government with more oil. Like they just did not. They
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: did not produce more in the time to stabilize prices.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: And you got like the oil lobby guys going on
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: CNBC and actively being like, we have a fiduciary responsibility
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to our shareholders to maximize profit. We don't care if the,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you know, we don't care if the prices are high,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: you know, sucks to suck because our profits are great.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: And the reason why I explained all this is because
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I think that's a perfect demonstration of how America operates,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: like the American government operates, rather, where it serves corporations,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: not the people. And then you got China, on the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: other hand, where like it's, you know, they got billionaires, too.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: They got massive corporations, too. But those corporations serve the government. Now,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that can be bad. But if the government is, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: interested in uplifting the great the public good and doing
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: even development or whatever, then ultimately they just can force
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: corporations hands to do whatever they want.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, like, like you're saying, it's like, yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the more you learn, it's, um, you have to then decide, okay,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you almost have to differentiate. Well, what does it mean
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to be an American to me? You know, because if
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I stay here and I sleep under this banner of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: America where I can make money and I can have,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and there's a welfare system and I'll be at there,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you know, people have ideas of whether they're good or
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: bad and those, um, but But that I stay here.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I continue to stay here. I keep myself here. This
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: is where I choose to be, you know, in the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: safety of this place. You know, it's like, well, how
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: complicit am I or am I just an American? And
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: this is this is the I got blessed into this
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: place and this is where I am. And if somebody
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: else weren't born in this place and they were in
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a place that were, you know, more hostile and scary
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to live in and sleep in and try to survive in.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: wouldn't they be praying that they would be here or
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: that they would have some of the same things? Does
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that make any sense? No, it does.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no. What you're describing, like I said, is what
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: leftists call living in the imperial core. Because if you're
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: in the heart of empire, you at the very least
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: don't suffer the repercussions of being the victims, right? Right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Like you're not in Guatemala, so you're not getting destabilized
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: by the American government in many instances, or at least
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: throughout your history. So- you haven't been kept down. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: therefore your situation in comparison to them is going to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: be a lot better.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And then what do I want my life to be
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: like day to day? Do I want it to be
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: this constant, like, or do I want to not think
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: about those things and think that those are the government's,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you know, some of that's the government's responsibility. I do
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: my best to elect and vote in a way that
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I think is meaningful and vote for the best person.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And then I try to enjoy my life and take
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: care of my family and my neighbor. You know, I
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: think it's like, I don't know. That's kind of how
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I think maybe I start to break it down in
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: my head, you know?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that, that, that, what you were describing right
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: there is, is basically the heart of, I wouldn't say
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: the problem necessarily, but that, that is why a lot
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: of people just like tune out because they feel just
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: powerless at the end of the day. You know, you
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: got your protests, you vote, and then these guys do
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: whatever the fuck they want to do. What am I
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: supposed to do is like the, the attitude that the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: average citizen has in this country. And, That's why things
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: slowly but surely seemingly get worse year over year. Maybe
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: not for you and I, because we're relatively successful, but
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: for average people, for everyday people, shit is fucked up.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: And they recognize it, but they don't know who is
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: responsible for it. And they become so malleable and so
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: open to responding to anybody that will look at, anybody
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: that will recognize their frustration and say, It's actually because
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: of this and that. And I think Trump tapped into
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: that so perfectly. And that's why he won. That's why
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: he defeated the Democrats so handily, because he was like, yes,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you're angry. I'm angry, too. Why are you angry? Because
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: woke libtards, because DEI, because trans people, because undocumented immigrants.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Undocumented immigrants aren't your fucking landlord. They're not the one
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: who's raising the price of rent. They don't own the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: mega corporations. They're not sitting at the board of BlackRock.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's not a Guatemalan migrant
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that's sitting at the board of BlackRock purchasing all the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: fucking houses. Or they're not the real estate developers that
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: refuse to add to the much-needed supply of housing.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and instead put a fucking rag and bone in
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: every town, dude. fucking hate rag and well it's just
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like dude don't tear down cool areas and just put
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: up a rag and bone dude it's not fucking cool
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: but no i man it's interesting i never really heard
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it put like that like and then of course the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: other things you say these other things to people that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel you gotta point you have to approach people
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: with something they can point a finger at and it's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: whatever they're pointing at is close enough where they feel
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like it can be reached Yeah. Like those are things
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that it's like. But also those are things like you
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: label like Trump talked about him last night on some
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of the congressional address.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I think it was the party address last night. Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: He did. He did like a fake State of the Union.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: It was a joint congressional address.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Joint congressional address.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Because he talked about some of those things like DEI.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro. They cut DEI. Now planes are fucking falling
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: out of the sky, man. We need to bring Pete
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Buttigieg back. as the transportation secretary. He needs to fix
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the problem. Was he a dog in there?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: No. We need black pilots. Dude, first of all, black
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: people can jump better, so how are you not going
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to have a fucking black dude in a plane, bro?
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know about the jumping. I don't know how
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: to factor into the.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: To the pilot program.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: But still, dude, if I saw Michael Jordan in the cockpit,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: that bitch, we're going to stay up.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: That's how I'm feeling. Oh, 100%.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Like, that's where I feel.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Now I think, you know, if I get on a
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: plane and I see a white man, that dude better
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: be in a polyamorous relationship, okay? I need that dude
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: sucking dick, okay? No, dude. I need something. If he's
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: straight— And he's a straight white male. That plane is falling, dude.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: That's what's going on. Trump came in. He killed DEI
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: every day. There's another fucking plane crash.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: But is it white dudes doing it?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I'm fucking around. I'm not being serious.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Even though Republicans do think that that is real, where
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, if there's a black woman pilot, that's
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: why planes are falling. It's like, no, dumbass. It's because
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: of fucking capitalism. They've literally undercut every aspect of production
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: to make more money. They constantly outsource. They constantly send
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: certain aspects of manufacturing to other countries where there's like
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: less regulation and less restrictions. That makes them more money.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: And that's why fucking planes are, you know, the doors
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: are exploding and shit while they're flying.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Is that one of the real reasons you think it's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: going on?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: That's 100% the reason why it's going on.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Bring it up. See if we can. That's a good question.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Because there seems to be these little times in history
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: where it's like, okay. For this year, it's almost like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: they press a plane trouble button and it's like, oh,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: now there's plane trouble.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Well, that's also because, you know, minor incidents happen all
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the time. But the media hyper focuses on them when
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: it becomes like a hot button topic. That's what it is.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And there are obviously freak accidents as well. Like they
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: all freak accidents happen. But I think there's never really
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: like a like a. perfect example like a perfect demonstration
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: of why these things are happening more frequently.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah let me see what this even says no there
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: were actually more plane crashes between january 1st 2024 and
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: february 1st 2024 when you compare the same time period
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: this year to last year um so there were.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: More crashes yeah but the difference is the the um
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the severity of like one big crash and then people
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: hyper-focus on it. This happened with, uh, Palestine, Ohio. Uh,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: remember when the train derailment happened and everybody was like,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: why aren't they covering this? Well, you know, I'm, I'm
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a foamer. I love, I love trains.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's because of the autism, but like, you know
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: how many train derailments happening every year, every single year,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a thousand, some of them are minor. Some of them
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: are major, right? So every single person hyper-focused on this, understandably,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: because they tried to do a shitty-ass cover-up for it
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: and be like, oh, no, everything is fine.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And there was gas leaking. Yeah, there was death.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you just feel itchy.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: It's normal.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Just keep drinking the water. It's fine that it's green.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Shut up. But because of that, then everybody started focusing
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: on all these derailments, and they were like, what the
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: hell is going on? And it's like there's a lot
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: of that that happens all the time. It's just the
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: media doesn't pay attention to it. Because if you paid
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: attention to it all the time, you'd go crazy. It's
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: like crime.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Crime in big cities. It's a constant.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: You know, that is a buddy of mine was staying
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: with me and he's from like the suburbs of Portland. Right.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Just like a very white neighborhood. And I'm living I
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: live in the middle of West Hollywood. And, you know, L.A.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: is not like New York or whatever, but it's still
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: a city. Right. Every time he heard firecrackers or whatever,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: like fireworks or whatever, he would freak out. He's like,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: is that gunshots? I'm like, no, man, that's just fireworks. Like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And then he would hear like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: you know, ambulances or police sirens. He'd freak out because
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: like if you live in a suburb and you hear
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: police sirens, yeah, some crazy happened, right? But if you
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: live in a city, you hear it all the time
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: is background noise because you know there's always shit happening. There's,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you know, tens of millions of people around.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So how are you saying that relates to this?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: What I mean by that is if you pay attention
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: to it with apps like Nextdoor and Citizen and Ring
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff, you start realizing that it's happening
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: all the time and it makes you go crazy. Same
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: with train derailments, same with plane crashes and whatnot. They're
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: a normal part of this process and you got to
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: look at the data and try to figure out if
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: this is truly unique or not. And in terms of
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the plane crashes, the deadly nature of some of them
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: is unique. There have been some big ones, right? Like
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: with the Ronald Reagan Airport one. But outside of that,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: like you know minor bumps at the Seattle airport or
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: whatever like that's normal.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: You had a couple of them where it's like these
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: planes almost hit each other they would show you a
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: video and I watched one of them two times I'm
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: like that shit didn't even look close to me but
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: they just label it that way it's definitely kind of
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: fascinating then once something happens you start to hyper focus
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• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you consider yourself a Democrat? What do you consider yourself?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: No, I'm a leftist. That's what I say, where I'm
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: very critical of both parties in general. I don't think
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that either party really represents my interests. The Democrats sometimes
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: will point to things that I care about, And they are,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I guess, a little bit closer to the way I
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: see the world than the Republicans are. But, you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I'm actively critical of both parties. Yeah. Because I don't care.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I don't care about party affiliation. I care about, like,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: doing right by people. I care about, you know, helping,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: putting the interests of people over the interests of profits
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: for corporations.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I hate it when somebody tries to label, like, oh,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: you're a mag or you're this type of thing. It's
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: like that. I've never wanted to be put in a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: box my whole life. I don't feel like there's enough parties, really,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to represent the people. And I think the more information
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you get and learn, I think a lot of people
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: start to feel that way. Like, I don't know if
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: this party really represents me, you know? But then there's
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: such conglomerates of so many different little pieces that they
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: almost feel like, well, I like this person in this one.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I like this person on the chess team, or this rook,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna, they will get my vote because they
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: have that player, right? But, yeah, I think that that's
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I think as more people get more information and able
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: to look into things more that that that kind of evolves.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I think that there's there's one thing that transcends party boundaries.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And I feel like you exhibit that tendency as well.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: And that is dissatisfaction with the government and the and
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: the two party system anyway. And I think Trump also
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: captured the attention of a lot of people by making
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: it seem like he was totally outside of this dynamic.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: where he was like, I'm an independent, I'm a billionaire,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I'm rich, I don't give a fuck about either of
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: these parties, vote for me. And that's why you have
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of people who love Bernie Sanders, because he's earnest,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: he's honest, and it's obvious that he's not a Democratic
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Party dick rider. And he has a long track record
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: of constantly doing right by others, constantly advocating for things
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: that help people. Even if he doesn't have much success,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: that earnesty has, I think... created this unique phenomenon of
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: people that like Bernie and also Trump, people like yourself,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: who think, well, these guys are anti-establishment.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think one thing about Trump was like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and I was like, fuck, it made you believe. Because people,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: most people knew him like from rap songs probably, from
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: being like a rich white guy, having rich guy hair,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and then from being on The Apprentice, right?
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Which was a very.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Pretty monumental how that all shaped out.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: You want to know something crazy about The Apprentice? It
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: was one of the most diverse shows on network television
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: at the time. It literally was one of the first
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: shows that prominently featured a bunch of black and brown
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: people in it. A bunch of gay people in it, too.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: He was woke as hell. That motherfucker was doing DEI
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: before anybody else. Now he switched up. You see this?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: He switched up.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember he gave Flavor Flavor a job working
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: at a... ice cream shop or something one day. I
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: remember seeing that episode. So yeah, I mean, he was like, I,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I just thought there was a moment where it was like, Oh, anybody.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Cause you're right. He didn't seem like a political insider.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He seemed like, you know, I think he's always been
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: this or notoriously has, it seemed like he's just been this, um,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: kind of like real estate, shady real estate executive guy,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: which I think at a certain point, some people were like, Oh,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I'll take that. I'll take a, ruthless business guy as
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: our president because politics has become a ruthless business. But
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think there was a thing like, oh,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: anybody could be president, right? So that in a way
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: felt a little bit like the American dreamer, at least
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: a little piece of like anybody, there was a feeling like, oh,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: he got it. There's, cause nobody thought he would win.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: So I think there was that comeback piece to him, right?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But then he was president for four years and
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: people were like, oh, okay, maybe this wasn't so good.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: And then what did the Democrats do? Who did the
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Democrats put forth? They put forth a cadaver who was like, no,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: we're going back to business as usual, baby. And Americans
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: were so fatigued by Donald Trump, but they were just like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want to pay attention to the television anymore. Like, sure,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I'll vote for this guy instead. And then Brandon wins.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: And then everyone's like, oh my God, things are awful.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Wars all over the place. Biden, you mean? Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Biden. I just keep saying Brandon. I'm sorry. No worries.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I'm so used to calling him Brandon.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Well, people say let's go Brandon as like a Trump thing.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: But then I just don't want people to get confused.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my bad. So Biden comes in and, you know,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: wars everywhere, cost of living crisis, like a lot of
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the resentment and anger that people felt in 2016 towards
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton is because their situation wasn't so great that
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: caused them to vote for Donald Trump. Never. It was
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: left unexamined. Like it was never recognized. It was never fixed. Right.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So when all the stuff piles on, people are resentful again.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: And lo and behold, they want to put that mallet.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: They want to bring the mallet back in to just
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: like hammer the federal government. Cause there's like, we fucking
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: hate this. We hate the, the way things are going.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: So we'll give this guy a shot again. And that's
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: how you arrive at Trump, too. And now he is
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: doing the mallet. He's he's ripping over the administrative state.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: He's doing mass layoffs of the federal regulatory agencies. And
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: it's crazy to me that people don't understand that, like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: these are the same problems that have persisted, that he's
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: basically worsening by by also, you know, removing tens of
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: thousands of people that work for the federal government with
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: like decent paying jobs. I'm a big advocate for more
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: government employees. I think we should have millions more, not less.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Give everybody a fucking job.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, I think that we should have, I think
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: women should get paid so that they can be at
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: home with their children and that that way, or, or
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: a man, if one of them wants to work and
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: then the other one can be at home to be
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: a parent. You know, I wish that that was something
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: that we did with our money.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: They would never do that, though. That's the problem. They hate.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: There was a case for it at one point.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. But I'm saying like Republicans, especially Democrats,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: won't do either because like both parties kind of like
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the austerity stuff. Like they. What does austerity mean? Austerity
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: is belt tightening, like fiscal belt tightening as in, you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: lowering expenditures and. and cutting social safety nets basically.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I think people are getting to their wits and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: where it's like, nobody believes that either one of these
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: parties is doing anything. Right. I think you've had the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: same problems. You've had the same things happen time over time.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: And maybe some of it at a certain point you realize, well,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that's just the cost of business. It's just like, it's
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: just become so bloated. It's become more about them. Like
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you're saying more about corporations and less about everyday people.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's just what it is. Yeah. It's never
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: been about people in my opinion. It's like, uh, New
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Deal with a lot of like socialist communist pressure at
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: the time. FDR's New Deal. Yeah, FDR's New Deal. What
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Bring it up.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: FDR's New Deal definitely brought forth a lot of prosperity
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: to America, like got us out of the muck of
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: the Great Depression.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: The New Deal was a series of domestic programs. Sorry
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: to interrupt you. I just want to. It was a
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: series of domestic programs, public works projects, and financial reforms
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: and regulations enacted by President FDR in the U.S. between
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: 1933 and 1938 in the 1900s with the aim of
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: addressing the Great Depression, which began in 1929.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Wow, dude. So he had to be right on the
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: back of the Great Depression. Yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Because people always, they always, like they'll quote him all
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the time, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: He did a lot. Look, he dealt with the pressing
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: bank crisis through the Emergency Banking Act, 1933 Banking Act,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Federal Emergency Relief Administration. We set up Social Security. I mean,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: there's so much. There's so much that they did in
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: that era because Americans were experiencing tremendous, tremendous hardship.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So you're saying a lot of this felt like it
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: was done for the people.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was done for the people because it was
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: a a necessary, it was basically necessary for them to
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: do this at the time because of all of the
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: deregulation in the banking side with oil barons and all
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: these like robber barons basically like picking apart And dominating
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: everyday American existence and the economic collapse that came with that.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: And then someone had to come in and fix this shit.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: And I think Donald Trump is basically not doing the
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: FDR thing, but the reverse. He's fucking it up and
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: taking it back to like a pre-New Deal era.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: And giving it more towards corporations, you think?
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%. I mean, you got Elon Musk right there.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: He's the richest guy on the planet. He's just... putting
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: his dick through his weird, ugly, egg-shaped penis through every
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: single regulatory agency.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Have people seen his penis? I haven't seen that.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't see that kind of stuff. Yeah,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: they were saying he's got a weird dick. Really?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: First of all, yeah. Dude, if I'm Elon Musk, I'm
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: definitely getting a crazy dick. I'm getting a fucking designer dick.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a two-seater. I'll get a damn three-seater cock.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're saying.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I'll put suicide doors on my dick, dude. If I'm
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk... But here's what I would say is to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: kind of the thing about Elon is like, or just
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: to discuss it really. I think people are like, we
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck who's auditing this thing. And finally
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: there's like, oh, this is the person to audit. This
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: is the person that's going to audit. This is somebody
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: we can blame if something fucks up. This is somebody
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: that at least they're saying that they're going to audit
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the government. Like why do we even have to audit
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: our own government?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: See, that's the problem. We already have an auditing agency.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: So these guys unironically created an additional agency, which is redundant,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: to eliminate redundancy. That's interesting. The unfortunate side of this
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: is that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: So they go in and they just like pull data
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: and they basically make these public declarations about, you know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: a billion dollars is going to this or that. Oh, yeah. Like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: they straight up lied. They were like, oh, yeah, we
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: already cut, like, $ 200 billion of funds. And then, like,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: the New York Times and all these other, like, actual
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: investigative reporters went in, looked at the data, and they
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: were like, dude, that's a lot. Like, there's one instance
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: where they claimed that they cut $ 8 billion, and they
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: actually cut $ 8 million.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Like, how do you carry over so many goddamn zeros?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: They're just like, ah, fuck it. Who cares? Um, no
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: one will fact check it. No one will look it up.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Well, the crazy thing is though, now you have, you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: have whoever our, our, our, our original auditing system was,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: and then you have this second, and now we have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: this second auditing system, but dude, it goes to like,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: it's so like, I'll have a, um, I'll have a financial,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: like an investment banker, right? But I, there's, times and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: i probably should well i want to hire somebody to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: audit my financial advisor because i'm like is this guy
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: stealing money from me you know because you hear so
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: many stories of people getting stolen from just like entertainment
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: different industries whatever but it starts to be like i
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: don't even know who to trust anymore and i think
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: that's where most people feel like it is it's like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: i don't know if most people necessarily feel like um
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: that elon or doge is the best but it's like
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: now it feels like okay well there's a government system
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that's supposed to be doing this And then there's a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: privatized system that's supposed to be doing this. Now, who's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the crook?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: But then I think people look to Elon and they say, well,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: at least he came when he bought Twitter, which was
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: a brave thing to do. It felt like it opened
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: up more opportunity for free speech, like things you couldn't
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: share on there. six years ago, you could share on
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: there now. I'm not saying all that's true.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I think it sucks now. I used to love Twitter.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Twitter's gotten bad. It's scary. It was already kind of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: lame because when it was owned by liberals, it also
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: wasn't the most fun platform, I will say. But at
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: least there was some semblance of regulation where it didn't
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: feel like the madhouse that it is now where I mean,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I know that it's like my algorithm as well, I'm sure,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: because I'm in politics. So I see a lot of
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: political shit. But, bro, there's like I mean, here I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: saw this this morning. There's a guy who straight up
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: said Adam Schiff, a minor at Chateau Marmont. And it
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: has 70,000 likes. And I'm like, what the fuck? It's
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: like a QAnon thing.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I know. I saw that.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: There's so many. No, it's not even this. There was
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: a dude who like.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: No, this is. That's not even Adam. That is. That's fucking.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: If you look at. No, no. That's Anthony Bourdain. They're
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: saying Anthony Bourdain saw him. The minor. And that's why
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: they actually killed Anthony Bourdain. That's their. QAnon loves talking
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: about how Anthony Bourdain saw like Hillary Clinton chop babies
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: up or whatever. And he was right about to come
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: out against them. But if you look up Truanon. Truanon actually, no, no,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Truanon on Twitter.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: What is Truanon? Is it a cool source?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Truanon is my friend's podcast. It's the number one anti-pedophilia
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: podcast out there. No way. And then keep scrolling. They
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: posted it. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Awakened Outlaw.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: That's the one.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: The Witnesses Anonymously.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: One of the most persistent QAnon beliefs is the huge
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: number of people think that, you know, some of us
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: remember when you a dead child. 76,000 likes. Bro, that's crazy. Like,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I fucking hate Adam Schiff, okay? Yeah, Trump's funniest thing
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: is when he calls him Adam shit, okay? I hate him.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: He's my fucking congressperson. He sucks, all right? Massive pro-Israel guy.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: That's an insane thing. You are a fucking schizo. Like,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: what the fuck?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: But that's the crazy thing. Now, people will just, you
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: see things, and then you start to believe it. Oh, dude,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: I realize Twitter starts to, Like it'll start to rot
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: my mind. I'll start to get, and then it feeds
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: you something. It's like, that's a scary, and that's another
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: scary thing just about social media. It's about where we're at.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Things just feel so, you don't know what to, you'll
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: open it up, you'll close it. Now you're furious. All
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: you were doing was looking for something in your phone.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: You're bored for 10 seconds. You opened it up. Now
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: you got two links to some shit. Now you're furious.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Now you close it. Now you're back in the grocery
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: store where you were a minute ago.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: You're on the fucking food aisle, but now you are apeshit.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: You're angry.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: You're apeshit insane that a kid, a deceased kid somewhere,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: hypothetically got molested by a.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: By a sitting American congressperson?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like you want to buy
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: a pussy fart coin or whatever. And then you don't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: even know what to do.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Retardio.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's like, oh, retardio is going to the moon.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: And you have all these fucking Klan members or whatever
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: trying to sell it. It's gotten... It's crazy.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: But that's what I mean. Like, it was, like, Twitter
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: sucked before. It was different crazy before. But it was
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: definitely not whatever the fuck this is. And there's so
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: much bottom of the barrel shit, too, because of the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: monetization stuff. Like, people, one of my favorite funniest things
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: that I experience all the time on Twitter is, like,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: you got, like, you know, Genoa Radio or, like, Saving
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: the White Race or We Gotta Save the West accounts, right? Like,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: they have all these fucking accounts.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Every single motherfucker on those accounts is from India. Every
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: single motherfucker that does the, we must preserve the white race,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: every single one of them is operating those accounts out
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: of India. Wow.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Why, I wonder?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? Because you make like $ 10, $ 15.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: That goes a long way in India as opposed to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: like a real racist in America.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Well, that's DEI at another level.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're using all of those accounts. Like there's all
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: of those big prominent like, you know, White culture accounts. Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Honkies do it better or whatever.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about the honkies one, but because
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: honky seems like, you know, I don't think a dude
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: in India knows what a honky is. But I'm talking
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: like the culture critique, save the white race accounts and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: all those like defend Europa accounts, like every single one
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: of them is like. He's like a Malaysian dude, you
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And he's just like, yeah, I'm
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: going to make $ 50 this month. That's a big, you know,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: that's good.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Save the white race. Yeah, he's just in there.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, you know, they post like the shittiest fucking
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: videos as well.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. It's addicting.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: There's so much porn too.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: It's too much porn. It's too much porn because I'll
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: be trying to take care of myself, doing decently. I'll
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: just see something, an edge of a tit or something
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: flies by. And then it just is like you can
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: just get stuck pretty easy. jerking off or whatever it
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: gets and then i get sad and then i get
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: ashamed of myself and then i just and then i
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: don't even sleep in my bed on those like dude
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: on nights like that i will sleep on the couch
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: it's almost like i don't it's like damn i know
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: it's like i'm a it's like i'm divorced in my
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: own fucking and i just live alone it's like oh
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: there's like it's almost like i'm a husband they got
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: caught jerking off so now you're sleeping on the couch.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: You got to resolve them man there's nothing wrong with
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: jerking off especially before you go to sleep you know
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: it's like a nightcap.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of. But if you've had so many nightcaps
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: over like 20, 30 years, you're like, oh, I'm fucking,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I'm an alcoholic at this point, you know?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I've never, I feel like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's a time and place for that
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: in my, in my regimen. You know what I mean?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: It's like right before I go to sleep, that's the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: perfect time to do it. There's never been a moment
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: where I like in the middle of the day, I'm.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I've never been that guy.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Shit. I got to crank it. But I feel like
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of those like porn addiction guys are like that.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, Yeah, it's not for me, but maybe
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: you should stop porn. That's how I feel when I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: hear about some of their stories.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a buddy who had curtains put
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: inside of his car and he would go and just
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: close them off so he could sit in his car
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: and masturbate without feeling like you know, like people were
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: going to point at him or whatever.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: What the? Yo, that dude needs to be institutionalized. What
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: do you mean? No, put a fucking stray jacket on
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: that motherfucker. Stop. He's got to be put in a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: room like train spotting. Like he's got to quit cold
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: turkey like he's quitting heroin. In Soho, that's considered off-Broadway. Yeah, no,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: no way, dude. No, render him immobile for like a week. And, oh,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: my God, the amount of energy that he probably has
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: in there, trapped in there, if he doesn't jerk off
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: for a week, he's going to start levitating. He's going
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to come out of there like a god.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: His Carl to start running on his own semen or whatever.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that part. You had Bernie Sanders
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: on your show. I did, yeah. Pretty cool, man. How
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: awesome was that?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the man. I love Bernie.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Did you find it interesting that people cheered so much
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: against him when they said that he also took money during, like,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: remember that a couple of months ago? Not a judgment
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: against him. I think all these people, I think when
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: you get into politics, right, it's almost like being in
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: a big family. And if you want something done, it
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: feels like you have to, it's almost just like.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Took money from what, though?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Well, what did they say that he took money from? Oh,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: RFK said it.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: That was.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: During that... When he was interviewing RFK.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: During RFK's hearing, he claimed that Bernie was taking money
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: from him. Yeah, that's not... Yeah, that's not correct. He
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: never got money from the pharmaceutical industry, like from the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: big corporate lobbyists. He probably got... So the way this
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: works on Open Secrets is like... And let me just read... Okay,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: you can read it, yeah.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: The figure cited by Kennedy referred to the industry in
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: which individual donors were employed. Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, because Kennedy said that Bernie Sanders got a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: certain amount of money. And this is just a clip.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: This is actually a perfect example of what we've been
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: talking about where you see a clip of something, right?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: In 2020, this was the claim, Senator Bernie Sanders was
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: the single largest receiver of pharmaceutical money in Congress. And
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: the context was this figure cited by RFK Jr. referred
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: to the industry in which individual donors were employed. It
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: did not refer to funds originating from or directed by
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: So what that is is the way that when you
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: make a donation to a politician as an individual, it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: gets filed with the FEC, right? And in that filing,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: you write what your job is, right? And if you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: work in the pharmaceutical industry, if you work for Johnson
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: & Johnson as a janitor, that basically gets tracked as, like,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Johnson & Johnson in the section of, like, whichever sector
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: you're a part of. So, like, a lot of nurses
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: gave donations to Bernie Sanders. So that's, like, technically still
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: lobbed under, like, healthcare. And it was not, yeah, it
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: was never from, like, the executives. It wasn't, like, executives
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: giving them millions of dollars. It was, like, the fucking
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: janitor works there or, like, you know, like an accountant
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: that works for this company.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: But it gets filed.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: So that it looks like that in some sort of.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Well, they just, it's good to have like.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Knowing what sectors are donating.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Knowing what sectors are donating. But yeah, there is room
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: for nuance, of course, there. And RFK was falsely claiming
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: that he was getting money from like CEOs and like
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: the industry, industry PACs or whatever, when that wasn't the case.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: It was just like random people that work for these companies,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it makes, I mean, it totally makes
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: sense to me that that's the way that it could happen,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: But it's so funny. RFK probably saw a clip or heard,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just like, it's so, it's like.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: I think RFK knows better. I don't, I don't trust
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: any of these guys. I'll be honest with you. Like,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: whether it's RFK, Trump, or any number of these people, or,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: you know, Democrats as well, like Kamala Harris. Like, I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: think RFK definitely knows better. He's just saying that because
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: it's a good line and people will believe him.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: And I mean, look, that's how it works. I know
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: because like Joe Rogan talked about it too where they
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: were talking about like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders getting
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: money from like these big pharmaceutical corporations. That wasn't the case,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: but it got a lot of mileage on that side
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: of the internet. That's the other thing that I am
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: frustrated by where there's like no consensus on this stuff anymore.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Like what does a consensus mean? Like we all agree
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: on one thing?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have to agree on one. Like
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: not everybody has to get together and agree on the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: same thing, but like there's no– there's no established truth
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: anymore where everybody's just like operating on whatever the fuck
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: they think is the, is the truth and, and heavily
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: leaning into their biases. And I feel like the internet
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: has become way more echo chambered in that regard. And
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: it's very frustrating to see, you know.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: There's no, there's no, what'd you say?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Consensus?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Consensus. So there's no like regional place you can go
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: to except now almost your own gut or, if you're
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: influenced by clips or whatever, right?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're dumbasses.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, we're fucking stupid. I'm stupid. Like,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I can't gut check everything.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Dude, I can't even fucking keep up with you, dude.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: I fucking feel you.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, is that better than us
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: all being under the influence of some consensus? I'm not
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: disagreeing with you. I'm just looking at it, right?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's good to have a healthy diet of both, right? Like,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: you still need to have trusted resources that you can
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: go to and rely on. that will every now and
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: then be like, that's wrong. You know what I mean?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: And I try to urge people to not get their
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: media diet exclusively from me either for that reason. And
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: even my media diet itself is incredibly diverse. I probably
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: watch more Fox News than I watch CNN and shit,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: partially because they're more entertaining. But I look at everything
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: so that I can develop a better understanding of what
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: people are saying and what people are believing in general.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I need to do a better job of that, I think,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: of finding... my information diet, you know, and just where
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: does it come from? It's not, I just don't get
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: enough of it. A lot of times, a lot of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: times I operate mostly just like on my own feelings
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: kind of, which is in the end, kind of your
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: instincts or whatever. But then I start to notice that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: things that I get influenced by and like my own
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: algorithm and things, I was like, Oh, I'm fucking getting influenced.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm up last night in the middle of
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: the night. And it's like, have I reposted too many
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: tech talks about my, Gaza, you know, and I'm up
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: for 40 minutes. I was like laying in my bed
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: and my brain's calculating it, but shit like that, you know,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: it's like, but it's just cause I'll get to my,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like none of it's bad stuff really,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: but it's, um, I'll notice if I get on my
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Twitter thing, especially I'll get angry. I get, and then
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, if I'm at least aware of this is happening,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: people that aren't aware that aren't even thinking like, oh,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: this is affecting me. They're just being affected.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Then it's like, man, My, my, the way I see
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: my goal, like the way I see my job is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: to basically get people to understand why they're angry and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: then get angry at the appropriate vectors, like where, who's
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: actually causing harm in their immediate lives. That's why I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: actively urge people to unionize and work to organize in
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: their communities and organize in their, in their workplaces in general.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: So they have a network of support with like, not
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: necessarily even like-minded people, but like people that have the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: same interests, right? You don't have to like your coworkers
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: all that much, but No matter what, your boss is
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: still fucking you over in the exact same way, right?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: He wants you to work the most amount of hours
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: for the least amount of pay. You want to work
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: the least amount of hours for the most amount of pay.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: This is a contradiction, right? So how do you resolve that?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: The only way to overcome the unlimited amount of power
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: that your boss has over you is by getting together
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: and being like, hey man, you got to give us
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: a better contract, right? Like those are the things that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: I advocate for so that people develop a better understanding
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: of who's actually harming them, and maybe improve their lives
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: immediately in the short term, and then build on that momentum.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: With that said, do you think we should have a
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: higher minimum wage, do you feel like?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's one part of this story,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: but it's not- I've thought about it a lot. I've
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: listened to people talk about it. Yeah, I think it's good,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: but that's still a band-aid solution. I think there needs
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: to be more labor-backed control in general.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Like unions and stuff?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, labor unions. Yeah, we have 10% union participation rate
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: in this country. It's lower than other countries that we
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: fucked up, like Chile. We fucked up Chile. We did
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: a coup there. We set up a dictatorship in Chile.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: And they still are able to unionize.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: More than us.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we rewrote their constitution. And they still have
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: a higher union participation rate than we do. They have
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: 15% in Chile. We have 10%.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: We had the Teamsters president, one of the Teamsters union
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: presidents on.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You're Sean O'Brien?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was interesting.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: I've interviewed him before. I've had some convos on him.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: He has a podcast now.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, he does? Yeah. I didn't know that. I saw
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: him at the inauguration. It's just interesting. I'd never talked
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: to a Teamsters union president. I've heard of the Teamsters.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I watched Newsies or whatever when I was a kid
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: a bunch. But it was just interesting to learn about
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: unions and see how they work. And then some people
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: are like, well, once you get unionized, it's hard to–
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: you don't have as much individuality. So if I'm super hardworking,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: I'm self-motivated, then maybe I don't want to be a
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: part of the union. But I could see as a
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: safety net for people to have a union against corporations. Yeah,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: to me it makes perfect sense.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise they're going to clean out your pockets. They're
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: going to– Look, every union member will tell you the
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: motto for unions is united we bargain, divided we beg.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: You can either go and be like, I'm such a
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: good guy, please, look at how hard I'm working, and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: then in the off chance maybe get recognized by your
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: boss and maybe get a little bit extra money on
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: the side, or you can get together and engage in
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: the act of collective bargaining and force the company's hand
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: into offering you better benefits. and basically claw back the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: profits that you're generating for them. Because without the workforce,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: you got nothing. What do you think, the fucking CEO
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: is going to build the table?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? He doesn't know the first
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: thing about building tables, right? It's just going to, all
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: this is going to be is a bunch of wood
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: on the factory floor without you, right? Workers are the
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: ones who add the value, who generate the value.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bernie has a good, Bernie had a good thing
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: about that. He said that, well, if we're going to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: shorten people's work weeks, right? He was talking about having
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: a shorter work week. Yeah. And then that since companies'
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: profits are going up, then the employees, the amount that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: they should make should go up. It's like it shouldn't
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: just be the company at the top that has the increase. Yeah.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, AI is a perfect example of this, right?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Like it's very disruptive to the environment. I don't like that.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, also on top of that, It's used
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: as a way to displace the existing labor force, right?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Because now you can just get the machine to do
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: the job of the person that was doing the job beforehand.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: I'm an advocate that like, no, you should still keep
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: that person employed, pay him the same amount of money,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: make him work less.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, why are you firing this person now? Because
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: AI is a tool, right? But the way that companies
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: work under capitalism is, Whenever there's a technological advancement like this, right,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: this has allowed us to be on 24-7. Now you
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: can have so much more output as a worker, right?
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: You can be online at all times. Productivity rises in
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: that process. Your boss can get a hold of you
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: at all times. Yeah, your boss can get a hold
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: of you at all times. You're more tapped in. You're
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: more aware of what's going on in the world. And, uh, and,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: and you can be a better worker because of that.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: But in that process, bosses look at that and go, okay,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: now I can make one guy do the work of five.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to fire four fucking people and I'm going
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: to make the one guy do the work of, uh,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: the other four people. And that is how, uh, that
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: is under capitalism. That's how it works where they use
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: technological advancements that increase productivity to displace the existing labor
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: force to just basically fire them. And, uh, instead of
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: lowering the hours that the existing workforce worked and maybe
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: even increasing their pay in the process because they're still
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: doing the same work. You know what I mean?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: And because they're fucking human beings.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: At a certain point, it has to tip towards an
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: actual revolution where people pick up, and I don't know
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: if we can say this or not, but I'm a
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: big- I mean, I.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Say it all the time. People call me radical for that.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: I'm a big revolution guy.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I've always had little dreams of semi-revolutions or like, regional
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever at least I hope at least I can
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: make it to the regional revolution like I understand if
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: I don't make it to the national but I want
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: to be on a horseback or at least on a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: fucking standing next to a counter one of the one
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: of our like bosses or whatever like i want to
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: know what why see that's because that is fucking overthrowing
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: the system.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: I know but think about the way you presented that
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: you want to count or a boss to to be
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: the leader of the revolution somebody's gonna have to have
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: some sort of no i agree but it should be
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: people back revolution that's what oh.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah people but one of us gets mildly elected or something.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: But not a boss or a fucking politician those guys
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: or a count is going to be it's going to
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: be a uh an organizer an activist someone with a
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: someone with a background someone who understands the needs of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: the people.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: It's going to be somebody also who works at a
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Renaissance fair full time, who can be on a horseback,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: who can handle the type of, when you think about it,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not even joking, it's kind of crazy, but you
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: will need a dude who is fucking, I am willing
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: to ride through here with a spear. But yeah, at
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: a certain point, if you let so many people go,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Just to appease a company, to appease corporations, you're just
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: going to have more. Those people have to at some point.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: There has to be a revolution. Isn't that how revolutions happen?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, when conditions worsen to a certain degree, yeah,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: people go, all right, enough is enough. We're backed into
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: a corner. And they start recognizing that, like, they're being
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: fucked over. But that can also lead to a dangerous
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: path where... Tell me about that. Well, the dangerous part
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: about that is if the people are not steered in
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: the right direction to recognize who's actually doing the harm
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: to them, they can be deluded by misinformation and think
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: it's the Jews or think it's fucking.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdain.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Or, yeah, I think it's Adam Schiff, who's apparently having
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: sex with dead children in their minds. Or I think it's, like,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: the Guatemalan immigrant. You know what I mean? That motherfucker
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: is not controlling your life. He is worse off than you,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: and he has the exact same interests as you. He
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: just wants to put food in his belly and to
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: have a roof over his head.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about Guatemalans that came over the border
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: and stuff?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, a Guatemalan immigrant
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: or a Honduran immigrant is not, like, he's not dominating
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: your life at all. They're not here to do evil.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: They're not here to do bad. They're here to just
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: like work. They're fucking pick strawberries all goddamn day. So
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: our asses can eat those strawberries cheap as hell. You
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And then we turn around and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: we're like, yeah, they're all rapists, drug dealer, murderers. We
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: got to fucking purge the country of these people. And
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: it's like, it's really fucked up.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: How would you, how do you successfully do something like
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: that then? Because I think a lot of people's concern,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I think here's what happens is you're like, I'm not
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: safe anymore, right? and you start to feel, right, there's
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: people that were raped or killed. There was a couple
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: instances that they put them on the news, right? They
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: were on the congressional, you know, they had some.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Of those people. Trump had them at the victims at
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: the congressional, joint congressional hearing.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Right, so I think you hear about those things, and
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, yeah, you'll start to apply them to everyone.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Think about that. We say there's 20 million undocumented migrants
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: in this country, they come from every part of the planet.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: And to think that they're all one collective hive mind
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: that's here to do like evil rapes and shit is psychotic.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, like they don't even speak each other's language. Like,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Like they have no unified
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: hive mind here, but you basically learn to think that way.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: You learn to hate in that regard. And I think
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: the media plays a big role in this, like right-wing
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: media specifically.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Is it hate though you think? Cause it's like, I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: just fear. Okay. So I, cause to me it's like,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: have a fucking organized system. If I go to a, dude,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I go to, I went to Canada a couple of
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: days ago. It was heck. It was heck getting in
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: and out of there. It's heck getting out of there.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: It's super organized. You know, it's like, but we should,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: it just, cause here's the thing. If you don't know
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: who's in your country, then you can't do a correct census.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: You can't allocate things correctly to people. You can't know
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: who needs what in certain areas.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: That's why they also factor undocumented migrants into the census
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: as well. But if they're fearful of the federal government,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: If they're fearful of the federal government, they're not going
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: to open the door for a census guy. That's part
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: of the reason why sanctuary cities began to begin with.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: It was actually advocated for. This is something that this
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: is old lore. People don't even know this at this
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: point because everybody thinks like, oh, sanctuary cities is woke,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: libtard bullshit. Bro, it was the fucking cops and the
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: FBI that was advocating for sanctuary cities.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Because whenever a murder or some kind of like violence
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: happened in an undocumented neighborhood, cops would come in and
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: nobody would talk to them.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: So they were like, don't worry.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Sanctuary cities initially were proposed by law enforcement because they
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: realized that whenever there was violence or like, you know,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: drug dealing or a murder that took place in an
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: area where the witnesses were undocumented migrants, they wouldn't talk
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: to the cops because they were fearful that if they
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: talked to the cops, they were going to get fucking deported.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: So in order to open up more collaboration and actually
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: solve crimes like rape, murder, and all these other like
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: violent crimes. They were like, we have to tell every
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: undocumented migrant, like, we're not going to arrest you. We're
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: not going to collaborate with ICE or INS at the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: time before ICE existed. We are just here to serve
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: you as public servants. And that was the reason why
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: it was law enforcement that initially suggested sanctuary cities. It
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: wasn't like woke activists or whatever. And it's so interesting
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: that like now Republicans say, use that as a catch-all
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: term to be like, oh, you're letting criminals go, basically.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: That's what they make it seem like. That's what they imply.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Bring that up. How did sanctuary cities get started?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: That's fascinating, man.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Sanctuary city policies were not originally proposed by law enforcement.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: But they've come to support them for public safety reasons.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: In the 1980s, when churches in the United States provided
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: refuge for individuals escaping civil unrest in El Salvador, sanctuary
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: cities specifically emerged from protests against federal immigration policies that
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: denied asylum to refugees. However, many law enforcement officials, including
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: police chiefs, have advocated for sanctuary policies. They argue that these.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Policies help build trust between immigrant communities and local law enforcement.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: This trust is crucial for encouraging immigrants to report crimes
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: and cooperate with police investigations. Sanctuary policies allow police to
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: focus on local priorities and prevent crimes. Wow. That's interesting, man.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder, though. What's that? I'm sorry?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: What is it? AI search engine or some shit? What
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: is this? Yeah, this is perplexity, but they have all
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the sources cited. All right.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting then though. I wonder how many
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: cities then jumped on it as a, even on the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: democratic side to say like, um, or left side, whatever
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: you want to call it, but like to say, Oh,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: I better be a part of this now. If I
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: want my voters to then vote for me, you know
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like, so sometimes like it, the political
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: kickoff kickball gets created one way, but it also gets
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: used in a field in another way.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: It's not, I don't think it's right or wrong anyway.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: Like I, cause I'm, I'm a, I'm a, active amnesty advocate.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: First of all, this is a civil offense. Crossing the
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: border is a civil offense. And you have a five-year
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: period where if you haven't done any crimes, like the
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: statute of limitation is over now there's different legal uh
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: there are different legal interpretations of this and people go
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: back and forth on it but like the way i
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: think about it is like if a dude is in
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: here and they're working right and they're not trying to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: do a you know they're not here to do evil
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: shit they're here to just simply work Give them fucking,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: give them documentation. The difference between an undocumented migrant and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: a documented one is just a piece of paper. It's paperwork.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Process these people and allow them to contribute to our
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: coffers in more meaningful ways because they already pay taxes,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: but they could be paying more taxes as well.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: And they pay taxes if they're undocumented? Yeah.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Because they still, I think they still pay into social
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: security because they have to get a social security number,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: some sort of social security number. They pay for sales taxes,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: things of that nature. You know what I mean? Like there's,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch of, uh, different contributions that they make
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: and they can't take advantage of any of the, uh, the, the, uh,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: government programs anyway. That's why a lot of Republicans lie.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: They'll be like, Oh, undocumented migrants are like stealing our, uh,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: you know, our social safety nets. And I'm over like,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: I'm over here like, what the fuck? What social safety
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: nets do we have? What are they? We don't have healthcare.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Like what, what are they, are they taking advantage of
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: healthcare that we don't have? They don't have healthcare. Um,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: the thing is, uh, they will, Republicans will literally factor
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: in their natural born U.S. citizen children into the equation
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: to be like, see, they're sending their children to public schools.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, bro, that's an American citizen. Right, the child
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: is an American citizen. Yeah, one in 15 households in
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: this country is a mixed status household. One in 15.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you can't even, I mean, you fucking, everybody's
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: mixed now, it feels like.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Mixed status, like as in one parent is a, undocumented
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: like a non-citizen oh yeah yeah so.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: It's probably Mexican a lot of times I would bet
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: and that's just even my Mexican friends are always like
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: you know my uncle's in the back or whatever they'll
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: say you know and I don't say anything but it's
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: like I you know I think it's interesting it's interesting
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: like what things get how things get framed right by
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: the media how things get used how things like Even
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: programs like Sanctuary City, how does it then get manipulated
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: and used as like a negative thing or is a
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: thing where one party feels like, well, I better declare
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: as this or I'm going to be out of the money,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: whatever the next thing is like.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely an incentive structure among politicians
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: to advocate for certain things. But ultimately, I don't really
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: care what the incentive structure is. If the if the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: legislation is good, if it's a good thing. If Trump
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: were to do a good thing, I would advocate for
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: it as well. You know what I mean?
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's true? Because it seems like.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: I have. In the past, when Trump, last time he
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: was president, when he basically said, I'm going to back
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: away from this North Korea, South Korea shit, and I'm
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: going to let you guys handle it on your own.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: And in the process, he actually reduced the military campaigns
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: that were taking place around the Korean peninsula to.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: To allow these two countries to talk to one another.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: It's one country technically that we fucking cut in half,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: but that's a long history lesson.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into North Korea and South Korea.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and, and that was objectively good thing. Like
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: I said it at the time, I was like, and
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Rachel Maddow was very mad. He was like, Oh, you're
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: doing this because you love Vladimir Putin or whatever the fuck.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: But like, no, that was not a bad thing. Like
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: let these guys hash it out and, and let them,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: let them rebuild their nation. You know, why the fuck
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: are we like, why do we have, you know, 80,000
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: to 100,000 troops stationed all the time, you know?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it feels alarming. It feels like
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you have to have this military thing. I think one
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: thing that I noticed last night was like, the military
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: has had a tough time getting recruits, right?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Recruitment has been down.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: And so part of me always wonders, well, like, did
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: the powers that be then want Republicans to be in office?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: because they know that eventually, if people are believing more
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: in their country again, it will incite more recruitments. I'm
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: not saying that that's the truth, but you just start
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: to wonder what the fuck is really going on.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what made recruitment numbers explode.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you, though?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know where you're coming from, but what
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: made recruitment numbers explode initially was 9-11. That's it. People
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: joined after 9-11, and after 20 years of just going
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: out there and guarding... guarding like poppy fields and getting
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: your dick blown off by some fucking dude who's hated
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: you because you invaded his country when he was like
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: 14 and probably killed his cousin. Uh, you know, after
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: 20 years of doing that, everyone was like, Oh, this
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: shit sucks. We kind of lost it here.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Huh?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Like we did a Vietnam in Afghanistan and we had
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: to pull out. So, and that was a good thing. Objectively.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's good that we pulled out of Afghanistan, but, um,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: I think that's the real reason why people are like,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: why the fuck would I join the military? I can't
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: even get a fucking Charger anymore, you know? A Dodge Charger?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: The Dodge Chargers, or was it the Camaro?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Were they giving those out?
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: That's the common military car.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's true, huh?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: You sign off on one of those. The worst loan
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: of all time.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, dude.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: And then your high school sweetheart is fucking the neighbor
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: while you're out there.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, I mean, yeah.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: While you're out there... Jerking off in a fucking bunker
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: But some dude's.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Jerking off on you or whatever And you guys are
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: changing each other's names After 8pm or whatever and shit
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: I think shit gets pretty melodic out there.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean Why the fuck are you doing
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: that And then you come back and the American government's
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: like Alright we'll give you healthcare But now you're busted
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: you need it desperately And they're like alright we'll pay
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: for your college Okay you go to college You get
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: a communications degree Now you're you know Six years behind
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: the rest of your counterparts, and you're in the same
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: shit-ass job market, sucking the man's dick every day, working
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: a dead-end job that you despise. And you're fucked up.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: And now every time you go to the grocery store
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: to pick out cereal, you're having a crisis, like a
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: mental health episode. It's fucked up.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Or a lot of people will also go into the military,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: learn some patterns that help them to achieve well. My
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: buddy Josh was in for a while, he got out,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: and now he's able to be a good business owner
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: because he learned, you know, he got up in the morning,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it just, it helped him have some regiment.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. I don't think that regiment is bad.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: I'm a very regimented person. I just think that the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: military's output overall is, you know, you're just sending poor
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: people from different parts of the country overseas to go
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: dominate some other poor people so that rich people in
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: fucking California can make more money. So the Raytheon can
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: send more missiles and make more missiles. And you gotta
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: use those missiles when you make them, you know? If
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: you don't use it, you lose it.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Oh, your missiles are going, yeah. Somebody said
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: there was an email one time that like, oh, your
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: missiles are expiring soon. You should use them. It's like,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: what the fuck?
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: But they do that. If you got homies who were
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: active duty, they'll tell you like, you just dump so
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: much money Because they know that like it's going to
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: go bad.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: Like you just fucking shoot it out into the sea.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: If you're in the Navy, you're just like.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Pop that bitch off. Get out there after lunch today.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: We're going to fire a couple of these off.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: And that's your island.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: That's an island. Like nobody's there. Yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: You're dumping payload into an island that is more than
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: your salary times 10 because it's going to go bad.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: how is that not waste and fraud and abuse? Why
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: the fuck are they not working on that? My argument
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: always is this, the American military is a jobs program.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's the, I think it's the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: second largest hiring body in the country after Walmart, if
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, it might be the largest. And I
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: think instead of making those guys, you know, making these
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: corn fed boys from Arkansas go out and, and you know,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: force them to eat MREs all goddamn day and be
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: constipated for a fucking week. Make them build shit. Make
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: them build shit in America. It's a jobs program. Who cares?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Make the output be good rather than bad. That is
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: what my argument is. The world's biggest employer is the
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Ministry of Defense, U.S.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Department of Defense.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Indian Ministry of Defense is the largest, and
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: then the world's second largest employer, I guess the U.S.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Department of Defense is bigger than Walmart. Walmart and Amazon.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: That's a great point, I think. And maybe and, you know,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: I wish I knew more of what some of those
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: groups did a lot of times.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: With the military.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I agree with you. It's like I agree
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: the fact that why are what is the voter? What
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: is the gun carrier? The water carrier? Oh, you're always
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: at this. It's a caste system, really, in a lot
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: of ways. You're it is. Those are the people having
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: to do the bidding of these elites, you know, of
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: these countries and stuff like that. But then at a
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: certain point, it's like, do I decide this is my–
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: what integrity or what do I want to have inside
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: of myself when I'm doing that? I could be all
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: day like, fuck, I don't want to be doing this.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: This country is a piece of shit or whatever. Or
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: I can have pride in what I'm doing no matter
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: what in the spot that I'm existing in, in this
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: sort of strata, right? And I stand up for my country.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: And it's just– as we get more information, it's just–
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: it's fascinating how things change.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: I just want– like I– or how things you'd learn more.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: I don't hate people. I just want them to, to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: have better lives. You know what I mean? Even people
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: that I disagree with vehemently, like I always stress this
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: point where I say Medicare for all means for everybody, right?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Even if you're a fucking Nazi, you're going to get healthcare.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Even if you don't want healthcare, I'm going to fucking
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: give you that health care. I don't give a shit.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: You can cry about it all day, every day. It's just,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: and I think that's the attitude that other people are
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: supposed to have in this process too. Like there's got
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: to be a universality to these proposals because like i
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: think we got to do right by others and we
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: are not doing that right now the american government is
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: not doing that and every at every step of the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: process And that's why the military is a great example
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: of this. We're just using and abusing these dudes and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: making them do a whole lot of awful shit overseas
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: so that some rich asshole can make more money. And
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: then they're broken in that process. They come back. There's
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: no way of repairing them. And we basically lie to
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: them too. We're like, oh yeah, you'll get a great job.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: You'll go to college. You'll be able to uplift yourself.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: And it's like, that should be available without you having
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: to serve in the military. But if that was available,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: if free college existed- If free healthcare existed.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't go to the military.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: And no fucking buddy is going to the military. Why
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: the fuck would you do that?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Unless you had some real gunners. Unless you had some
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: cool Call of Duty, Verdansk, Modern Warfare dogs.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean, yeah, those guys are... But I'm
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: saying you would still have some, right? Yeah, you would,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: but it would be significantly lower.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be this system that gets kind of manipulated
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: and used.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: That's why they don't want to fix it, though. That's
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: why they don't want to give free healthcare.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: But that's why they don't want to fix so many things.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. We learn more as we
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: learn more about it. You start to see some of
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: the clarity or some of you learn more. You have
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: more information. But then how do I operate still when
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: I have that more information? Like, do you know, it's
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: tough because if I become a nihilist or, you know,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: so then I'm miserable. My my day to day is miserable,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: saying it's how do we manage in those spaces as
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: we learn more?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm, I'm fairly tapped into all of the,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: the shortcomings of the American government. And yet I, I
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: enjoy myself. I mean, I still, I still jerk off
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: before I go to sleep. I still watch anime. I
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: play basketball. I focus on myself. I think like there
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: are certain things that you have control over and that
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: is your own body, right? Your, your immediate friends and
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: your family. And you should actively work on those things to, to,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: to basically not lose sight of your own humanity. Because
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: it's easy to get lost in the sauce, in the
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: everyday cruelty that you recognize is happening all around. And
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: it makes you go crazy. And in order to combat that,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: I always urge people to engage in self-improvement. Set goals
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: for yourself and try to achieve them. That's at least
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: how I've always managed this stuff. And also being around
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: other people who aren't immediately agreeing to your worldview. Like I,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: I love parks for that reason. I love third spaces. No,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: not like parks and recreation isn't like the TV show.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: I mean like literal public parks. Oh yeah, dude.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: There's a fucking, there's a band or not a band.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: There's some homeless guys stole, I guess, a band's high
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: school equipment during COVID over by the, there's a park
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: behind my apartment. And, um, you could hear them sometimes
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: practicing in like three or 4 AM. They get some,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: they get a couple of dudes tuned up in a
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: tent or whatever. And you could hear them– what song
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: were they playing for a while? Oh. Love the way
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: you lie. Just going to stand there and watch you burn.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know what instruments they had, but it was
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. They got a hold of the sheet music
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: and everything. But it's like, yeah, just making the most
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: of where you're at. And also our military is there.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: It keeps us safe. If there's flooding, if they do
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: a ton of stuff.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Army Corps engineers, like I interviewed a guy.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want people to feel like their lives are
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: in vain.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I admire people that go and are willing to put
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: their years of lives into anything.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: Trump is firing those guys too, by the way, right now.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Like the Army Corps engineers is like what you just described.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: When there's a flooding happening, like they build the levees,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: they build the bridges, right? Trump literally is firing those
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: people too. It's crazy. Why is he doing it? Is
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: it because he hates the Army Corps engineers? No, because
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: he doesn't give a shit. That's my point. He doesn't care.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, go Elon, do whatever you need to do.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Fire these probationary employees. Nobody knows what probationary means. So
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: they think like, oh, you know, it's good. It's good
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: that we're like downsizing a little bit. It's like, no, dude,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: you're going to start slowly, but surely five years down
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: the line, notice it. You're going to start noticing that
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: things are just not working. Like air traffic control is
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: a great example of this since the Reagan era. Like
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: the numbers of air traffic controls, controllers, even though air
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: traffic has increased the number of air traffic controllers have
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: not kept up with the increase of air traffic so
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: you got towers where there's like one dude there's got
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: to be like 30 dudes in that tower I don't
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: want the fucking plane I don't want planes to crash
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: Probably more of them have started to work in if
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: that's true is there less FAA people.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: No, there's probably more FAA people, especially with like TSA
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: and whatnot. But I'm saying that it hasn't matched up
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: to the rate of air. Like there's more planes in
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: the sky is what I'm saying. When there's more planes
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: in the sky, you need more air traffic controls.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: We're cut.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: The FAA helps support air safety.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump's administration has said no one at the
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: federal FAA with a critical safety position has been fired
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: as it cuts the federal workforce. Some FAA jobs were eliminated,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: had direct roles in supporting safety inspectors and airport operations,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: according to their union and former employees.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: This is another way that they lie, by the way.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: And Karen Bass did this with the L.A. wildfires where
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: she was like, oh, we didn't actually cut the L.A.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: FD budget. They did. They cut the support budget. But
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: when you cut the support budget, yeah, sure. You're not
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: cutting the actual firefighters.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: But you're not reducing their numbers. But when you cut
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: the support staff budget, you're cutting mechanics. When you cut
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: the mechanics and your fucking fire engine is busted, you
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: send it over and it just sits in a goddamn
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: yard for months because now there's no fucking mechanics to
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: fix the goddamn car. So all of a sudden you're
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: down one fire engine. It's all, it all works together.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to see, cause Trump's making, you know, and
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: there's so many like executive orders and things right out
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: of the gate. And there's so much focus on him
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: by the media, too. But I'm curious to see if
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: some of these things turn out to.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Help long term. There's no way.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that they are, you know, like I'm hopeful that,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: you know, if they're going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: that it's also because they have the they're going to
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: make price transparency from hospitals. Right. And and so then
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: there won't be the expenses won't be as high. Right.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: Like I'm hoping that there's some long-term strategy to a
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: lot of his ideas. Like the same thing with, um,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: Gaza and Israel. I don't know if there is, it seems,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, but I'm hopeful.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Trump is a major Israel dick rider. He's not, he's
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: not changing that at all.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I think I can't, you couldn't find 30 of these
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: people that aren't, it feels like.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, especially in the American government. It's, it's a really,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: really awful.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: They, yeah.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Um, I want things to get better, and I hope
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: it does, but the reason why I say I'm certain
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: that it won't is because of what you just mentioned, right?
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: $ 800 billion of Medicare and Medicaid that they want to cut.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: Mike Johnson goes on stage, goes on Caitlin Collins on
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: CNN and says, oh, there's a lot of fraud happening.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: There's not fraud happening in Medicare and Medicaid on the
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: point of the recipient. It's happening on the point of
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: the providers. And that's why I got banned recently on
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Twitch yesterday.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: No way. I saw you got banned and I saw
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: you just got back.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Libs at TikTok was like posting about how I
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: said something and they misconstrued it as though it was
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: a call to action to assassinate a sitting U.S. senator.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Because I said to Mike Johnson, because I was listening
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: to him back and forth, I said like, if Mike
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Johnson actually cared about Medicare fraud, he would tackle Medicare
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: fraud happening at the point of the providers. But it's
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: obvious that he doesn't care about Medicare fraud Because if
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: he did care about Medicare fraud, he would break Scott,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: who is responsible for the historic $ 1. 7 billion worth of
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Medicare fraud.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: And is he still working the.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Bro, he was a corporate executive at HCA at the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: time in the 90s. The DOJ came after him and
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: he basically quit his job. He got a $ 10 million
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: compensation package. after doing $ 1. 7 billion of Medicare fraud.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: In the private sector, and then came and worked in public.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: In the private sector. He got $ 300 million in stock options.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Didn't see a fucking moment of jail time for that, okay?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: And then he became Florida governor, and now he's a
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: fucking Florida senator. And he's a prominent figure in the
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: Republican Party. I think he was like their head of
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: their fundraising or some shit. I forget what his position
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: in the Trump campaign in the Republican Party is beyond
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: the fact that he's a senator.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they should allow people to go
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: from one to the other from private to public. You
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like I just, cause it just be,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: obviously there's conflicts of interest when people do that sort
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: of thing, you know?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. I mean, that's one aspect, but I
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: agree with you.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, That guy should be in jail. That's what
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: I think. I think if you do $ 1. 7 billion in
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Medicare fraud, you should be in fucking jail. What are
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: we talking about? You shouldn't be a Republican senator from Florida.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it says right here, Rick Scott's role in the
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Columbia HCA scandal. In 2003, Rick Scott's company, Columbia HCA,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: the largest private hospital chain in the U.S., was found
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: guilty of defrauding Medicare. The company was forced to pay $ 1. 7
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: billion a settlement. That was the largest medical fraud fine
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: in U.S. history at the time. Scott, who was the CEO,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: left the company with a $ 10 million severance package after
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: the scandal.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: 300 million in stock options, too. Wow.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: So do you start to wonder, so this was when
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: he was in the private sector, right? Yeah. So it's, yeah,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: what's going to be different if a guy comes over
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: from that private sector to the public sector? Should it's
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: this like, he's.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: The richest congressperson by the way.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Is he really? Yeah. Fuck that man. Give us some
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: fucking money. I think people should only be able to
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: have a certain amount of money.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah. I mean, look, I don't, I don't necessarily
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: care about how much money people have. Um, I care
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: about how they make their money.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: But no, I agree. How does this guy, how do
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: you keep from- Like.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: This LeBron James. Right. 50,000 points. He crossed over that boundary.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: 20 plus years of dominance in the league. He gets
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: paid a wage. He's a, what is known as one
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: of the few people that's like a wage billionaire, basically.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: If he makes that kind of money, that means he's
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: making somebody else a fuck ton more money. Right? And
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: I don't mind that he's getting paid these big bucks.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Partially because he's my goat and I love him. Okay.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: And I think he deserves it. But also partially because
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: he's not making that by like hiring people and then
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: forcing them to work to the bone. He does have businesses.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: He's also obviously an owner of capital as well. So
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: he does capital accumulation as well. But ultimately, I just
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: want people to be comfortable. And I think that if
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: you are working a job Like, you should be able
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: to have a house. You should be able to live comfortably.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter what job it is. You could
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: be picking up trash. I think that's still obviously valuable.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: It's worthwhile. Also, I guess sanitation is one of the
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: worst examples because they do have pretty solid unions.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a garbage man on. It was awesome, man.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: My buddy Wayne, he's got a podcast now called Trash Talk. But... Yeah,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: they do pretty well. But then what about LeBron's companies
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: if they're buying shirts from another country? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: And that labor there and those people, that guy's sleeping
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: on a tricycle seat at night because he has to
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: be at work again in the morning.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: So that part, that's what I'm saying. That part I
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: don't agree with. But I'm saying if he was just
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: making all of his money from just balling and he's
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: getting a wage, who cares? I don't have an issue
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: with that. Especially if the, hold on, I got to
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: open my door. Sorry. I got FedEx at the door
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: and it's raining. I feel bad. Oh, it's raining out there, huh?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: I got it. I did it. I did it. We
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: brought them inside.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: We know who sent the rain in probably too.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: What? The weather machine? Oh, the Jews?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: Yo no se. Yo no se. I'm illegal. That's what
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: I say. That's so funny. When the Jews come for me,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, I'm illegal.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, dude. See, like, this is another
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: example of, like, you know, you could normally, under normal circumstances,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: you can make this joke, but then like, then there's
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers who really believe it. When there's like dudes who
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: are like, no, you're, Marjorie Taylor Greene was talking about
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: how they have a weather machine. She wasn't saying Jews,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: but she was like, they have a weather machine. But
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: imagine you're.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: Rich enough, say you were rich enough, like a Mike,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: not Mike Jones or whatever, that's that rapper, but I'm
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: thinking of.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates, right?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: If you had enough money, bro, you would fucking get it.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: And some guy's like, look, for one bill i'll get
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: you a weather machine we'll get you like i'd get
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: that bitch in a heartbeat dude imagine you're sitting at
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: home you're having your coffee you're like all right detroit
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: fuck you guys here's seven inches right here's seven white
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: inches it's really the only way that freaking a white
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: guy can give seven to ten white inches anymore is
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: by pressing that weather.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Is bill gay he's pressing the weather.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: Button pressing the weather button but no man i think
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: it's um Would you would you have had Trump come
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: on your show? But yeah, thanks. First of all, thankfully,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: we can still joke around about stuff and we can
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: have a sense of humor. Imagine if we didn't as
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: individuals have a sense of humor. If we that would be.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: That would be the saddest.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. I love comedy. You know, Bill
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: Burr is my is my goat.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: I think he is. You know, I mean, you're a
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: comedian as well. I'm obviously very good friends with Stavi
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: as well. I know you always link up with him.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: He made me some cookies his mother made him.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, me too, yeah. When he was out here,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: I ate all of it. Oh, you didn't like them?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: No, I liked them. I'm just sad that they're bipartisan
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: snacks he's sending out.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, damn.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: It was so sweet of him. It was the only
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: friend of mine that did that. Very sweet of him.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: Did he also... He's like.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: My mother wants to see those shit.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Did he also shill his fucking calendars, his naked calendars?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: I think he did, dude.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: Those shits have been sitting on my desk every time.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: I'll have like... Bro, I'll have like... you know, prominent figures,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: like activists and shit at my, uh, at my house.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm interviewing them. Like there was Motaza Ziza. I'm
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: interviewing him. He literally survived the genocide. He's a photojournalist
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: from Gaza and fucking Stavi's naked body is just sitting
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: there on the fucking desk. I'm like, Oh my God. Like,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Being friends with Stavi
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: is fucked up. That's why you can't trust the Greeks.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, now that, look, finally something that we're- Let me
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: tell you, as a.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: Turkish man- We're both- Let me tell you. Both side
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: in agreement on right there, dude. Yeah, bipartisanship on that front,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: You cannot trust these Greeks. Yeah, the third month of
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: his calendar is Gorgonzola or whatever. I'm like, this seems
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: like fucking- It was like January, February, March, April, Baklava, June, July.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that seems- That's the other thing, yeah. Stealing
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: my people's food, saying it's his.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. Baklava's Turkish, bro. It's Turkish.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: We're going to have to talk about that next time.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Would you have Trump won if he would podcast with you?
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're that far removed from getting
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: to talk to guys like that? No.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: No. I mean, I've talked, well. I mean, you talked
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: to Sanders. I don't even know why I said that.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: I talked to Bradley Martin multiple times after. Like, I mean, he, like,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not above, like, going on, you know, right-wing podcasts.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not above talking to people who have talked to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Trump because I think like, I don't care about like
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: the partisanship angle of this at all. I want to
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: be able to communicate to people exactly where the problems
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: are and why people like Trump, just like people like
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Kamala are not the, the perfect solution to any of
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: these issues. And, um, I would talk to Trump. I
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: just don't think he would come on my stream. Like,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: cause he is at the end of the day, he
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: wants to go on a, He wants to go on
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: a show where they're not going to like, you know,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: push back too much.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: He wants to come across as like he wants to
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: be humanized and he wants to come across as like
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: a personal a personality that is is not devoid of charisma.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: And he's very telegenic. It was actually my turning point
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: when I listened to him and you talk about cocaine,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: when you were talking about doing coke and he was
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: like genuinely expressing interest in it. I was like, oh, fuck,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: this motherfucker's going to win, dude. This podcast shit is
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: working so good. Because first he did the Aiden Ross thing,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: and that was like a bit of a dud.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was kind of weird.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: Because that just like didn't work out at all. It
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't like a normal conversation.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it didn't feel, it felt kind of planned.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: Like they wanted to do like a video, like something like,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: let's do some social video. And I was like, I
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to do something like that. Yeah.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: Like the whole dancing and stuff in front of the
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: Cybertruck with the photo of him getting shot.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't love that either.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Like that stuff, it didn't work at all. But then
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: I saw your podcast and I was like, oh my God,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: this motherfucker, this motherfucker is going to win the goddamn presidency.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: But he didn't come. I mean, they didn't ask for any,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: they didn't ask for any edits, you know, that was
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: the thing. They didn't say like, we need to see this.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: They didn't fucking. You guys have a good day.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also because, like, you're not.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm also not a political guy. Like, this is
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: a trap I fell into recently.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: Because you talked to Bernie Sanders like a week before, no?
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That's what I mean. So it's
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: like you're not going to, like, hit him on shit.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: You're not going to hit him on, like, stuff that
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: he has no answer for.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Well, because I think my goal is to find. It's
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: not a goal, but I just want to get to
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: know people kind of, right? Mm-hmm. And I realized– I
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: fell in this trap recently. I thought that just because
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: I had some political people on last year that I
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: knew about politics. I do not. That was a trap.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Even my own ego was like, oh, maybe I know
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: something about politics. I don't know shit. Now I have
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: some ideas. I know what it feels like to be
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: kind of like I feel like just a pretty regular person.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: And then I don't know. I try to find empathy
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: here and there and figure things out. But– and I'm
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: learning a lot. I've definitely learned a lot more than
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: I knew two years ago for sure. But then to
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: think that I– like– you know, I have to be
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: careful not to like smoke my own nuts or whatever
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: it's called, where it's like, you just, you know, just
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: because I had some politics on now I'm fucking, you know,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: Jim Rome or somebody, or, you know, like a police,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, uh, Malcolm Mack.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, Malcolm, Malcolm X.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Malcolm X. Yeah. So yeah. But anyway, um, but no, dude,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: I like your attitude. I like your charisma. I like that.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit more about, I
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: know you have a program where, You try to co-op
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: and put money back into things that mean something to you.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: My podcast is a cooperative corporation, so everyone has equal say,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: equal pay. And there are different formations of that. You
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: don't have to make it equal pay, but I just
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: thought it would be the best possible way to go
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: about it. But most importantly, aside from the equal pay,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: the equal say part is really important. We get together,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: and if someone has an obligation, they're not showing up,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: it's fine. You know, we, we, uh, we make do,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: we figure it out as we go along. And I
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: think that's how you get, uh, that's how you get
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: the most successful business. Like for sure. That's, uh, that's
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: something that I stand by. And we still obviously have
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: to hire contractors every now and then too.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And we can get together another time
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: and talk about business strategy and things like that. I
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: think it'd be interesting. But yeah, I just wanted to just...
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: And yeah, we do a lot of fundraising.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: Like the other... The other day, I had the No
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: Other Land, the Palestinians who made a documentary about their lives.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: They were on your show?
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had them.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: No! We tried to get them.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: I had them on my house. They rolled up deep.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: They had like 10 people. The whole family was there. Dude,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: no other friends. That's what I'd say. They were fucking
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: mean by it to you guys. Yeah. I mean, they
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: also straight up came from occupied Palestinian territory. They flew
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: into America. Right. And, you know, we were chilling. We
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: were just like talking about talking about their experiences. And
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: I interviewed them. And then in the process, like the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: organization that actually brought them here, who works with, you know,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of Palestinians on the ground, like they were like, oh,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: can you share this link to fundraise? So I did.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: And we in the hour long interview that we did,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: we fundraised one hundred thousand dollars. Now it's sitting at
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five thousand. But like, that's the
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: type of stuff that I love being able to do.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: Cause like, I feel so powerless a lot of times
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: when I see all of this death and destruction. And
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's, it's a meaningful way to be
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: able to help to, to, you know, actively fundraise gives
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: myself and a lot of people that watch me the
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: opportunity to say like, you know, at least we're trying
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: to do something, anything, you know what I mean? So
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: I try to do that to the best of my ability.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: We've fundraised for, Palestinian aid organizations to the tune of,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: I think, like almost more than $ 3 million at this
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: point since October 7. Wow. Yeah.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: Dude, yeah. No, I appreciate you even saying that because
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's something I need to hear more about.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: It's on my brain and heart a lot.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: We started a foundation last year, but haven't started to
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: figure out like what to do with the money or
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: what exactly to do, you know? Yeah. Like I would
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: like to create a business that like, like I thought
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: about like water, like you're selling water, but the money
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: goes towards rehab for people that suffer from opioid addiction,
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  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Just so it's like using something
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  Speaker 1: that everybody needs, but finally the proceeds, it only goes
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  Speaker 1: towards this thing. There's not even a profit. It's like
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  Speaker 1: this is what it's for.
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  Speaker 2: But I need to be more- I've done that in
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  Speaker 2: the past too. I have merch and it's US made,
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  Speaker 2: union made. And obviously the margins are incredibly slim for
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  Speaker 2: that reason.
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  Speaker 1: American Giant? Is that dude does your merch or no?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's Bayside House. is my garment manufacturer. My garment
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  Speaker 2: provider is one of the only union shops that is
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  Speaker 2: a garment manufacturer in the country that can like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: keep up with the demand that we have. Cause there's
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: a ton of people that are buying the t-shirts. So like,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes I'll just, uh, like I will fundraise like by,
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  Speaker 2: by saying all the proceeds, like every single point of
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  Speaker 2: profit is directly going to a labor union. Like we,
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  Speaker 2: I gave the Amazon labor union, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: like $ 170, 000 or something like that off of just that.
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  Speaker 2: We fundraise like, I think Amazon packaging, the Amazon labor union. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the people that work at the distribution facilities. Another
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  Speaker 2: thing I did this past year was for, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to say the name correctly, but right. He
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: says it's a, it's an organization that works with undocumented
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  Speaker 2: migrants in, in Texas specifically. And they give them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: translators and lawyers and, you know, they pay for lawyer
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  Speaker 2: fees and stuff like that. So I'm actively working on
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  Speaker 2: fundraising initiatives like that because I feel like there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stories that don't get told in mainstream media.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I interviewed the incarcerated firefighters that were combating
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  Speaker 2: the wildfires in L.A. You know there's prisoners that fight wildfires, right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they send prisoners out to fight them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: There's like a training program and stuff. I'm working with
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  Speaker 2: an organization to go and actually see them at their prison,
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  Speaker 2: their training camp. Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's so creative, man. Yeah, that's– yeah, I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: say these things because, yeah, it's just stuff that I
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: can remember trying to focus more on or– Yeah, because everybody,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: that's the crazy thing. It's like everybody at every point
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  Speaker 1: of something, most people need support, right? Or they need
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  Speaker 1: some kind of support. They need an ear. They need
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: a blanket. They need a mouthful of, or they need
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  Speaker 1: a friend. You know, every, it's, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways to be a part of the world, you know?
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And always to try and find a corner where you
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  Speaker 1: can express care.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hasan Piker, thanks so much, dude. I'd love to chat
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  Speaker 1: again sometime. I know we didn't get to cover some
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: stuff we did, but I just appreciate it, man. I
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: think it's important, too, that people just get together and
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: talk about stuff. I wish I'd have been able to
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: have probably some stronger political conversations with you. Some of
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: that stuff I don't have as strong of a knowledge
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: base in, but I admire you, dude, and I admire
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: the way you operate, and I really appreciate your time today.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks for having me, man. This was great.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I have to do a stream for so long, too, dude.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: No, I love it. The things that I just told
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: you in the last three minutes is exactly why I
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: love what I do, because I have a giant community
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: with a big heart, and I think that that is
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: what makes everything worth it. Because like I said, there's...
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: There will be people swearing up and down that I'm
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: the worst person that you've ever met, no matter where
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: I go. It's just noise. It's mostly people that are online.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: That doesn't translate to real world experiences at all. But
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: in spite of all of that, in spite of people
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: constantly working to actively smear me to say I'm anti-Semitic
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: or I love terrorism or whatever the fuck with clips
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: out of context and all this shit, At the end
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: of the day, I get to make an impact, and
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: that's how I sleep soundly at night, you know?
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Where I know that all of this is worth it.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: Why did Jewish Friend recommend you to me?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: Who's the Jewish Friend they recommend?
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: About podcasting. They said do not name them.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, damn.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't. That part I made up, but I'll
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: just protect their anonymity. But it just, you know what
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like, just, it's like people, I think people,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're all trying. I have a neat community, too,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: that I feel like wants to do stuff that's important
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: in the world, and we're all trying to figure out how.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I see that light in you, man, and
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming and sharing your time with us today.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: I really do.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: You bet, man.
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  Speaker 2: Cornerstone oh but when I reach that ground I'll share
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: this peace of mind I found I can feel it
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  Speaker 2: in my bones but it's gonna take