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'TIGER KING' AND 'DANCING WITH THE STARS' COLLIDE AS MURDER THEORY EMERGES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When the Netflix documentary about
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Speaker 1: Tiger King hit the airwaves, it was a lot of
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Speaker 1: entertainment for a lot of people. But it's not just
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Speaker 1: entertainment for one family that is still looking for their
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Speaker 1: missing dad. A lot's happening on the Tiger King train.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us at Fox Nation and Series x M
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Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to this
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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin, the nemesis of Joe Exotic, as he calls
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Speaker 1: himself the Tiger King. She's set to take over his
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Speaker 1: Tiger Preserve at any minute. And now she is a
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Speaker 1: star on Dancing with the Stars, dressed up in her
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Speaker 1: signature garb and actually saying quote get ready and cool
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Speaker 1: cats and kittens. Okay, brace yourself. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC, Hey are you cool cats and kitten?
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Speaker 1: My life got turned upside down by the documentary Tiger King.
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Speaker 1: Somebody had told me last year that I was going
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Speaker 1: to be on season twenty nine Dancing with the Stars,
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Speaker 1: I would have laughed out loud. I have absolutely zero
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Speaker 1: dance experience. I need to get in tiptop Cat fighting shape.
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Speaker 1: I've been practicing, practicing, practicing. I've been using virtual reality
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Speaker 1: to try and firm up everything. Don't go firm up everything. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's good to know. I'm glad I heard that. But
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Speaker 1: what I'd really like to know is where is Don Lewis,
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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin's former husband who mysteriously disappeared. Guys, let me
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Speaker 1: introduce to you our all star panel with me a
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Speaker 1: special guest, the Lewis family, lawyer with Phillips and Hunt,
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Speaker 1: committed to justice at Florida Justice dot com. John Phillips,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us out of Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,
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Speaker 1: Director and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, Forensics
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Speaker 1: expert Cheryl McCullum, and Crime online dot com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton. First of all, to you, John Phillips. I
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Speaker 1: understand that the Lewis family interrupted the program with a
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Speaker 1: commercial asking for help in solving Don's disappearance what I
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Speaker 1: believe to be his murder, and offering a one hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward. That's true? Why? Yeah, So you know
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Speaker 1: how the scales balances. There needs to be something on
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Speaker 1: both sides. And so you heard the narrative. Carol never
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Speaker 1: would have said Don Lewis's name, and the family said, look,
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Speaker 1: if we can't get on the show, if we can't
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Speaker 1: put Don Lewis's name on the show, we'll get it
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Speaker 1: in between the show. We'll get it on the commercial.
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Speaker 1: And so they did a call to action that aired
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Speaker 1: in the Tampa market and other markets around Florida, and
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Speaker 1: it for thirty six hours has made Don Lewis the
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Speaker 1: talk of Dancing with the Stars, and that's what was
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Speaker 1: most important. Very shrewd, very shrewd. Indeed, John Phillips, you
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Speaker 1: don't went all those cases for nothing. I can see that. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to the commercial that aired on Dancing
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Speaker 1: with the Stars. Listen. I'm Gail, one of Don Lewis's daughters.
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Speaker 1: We are a real family, and to us, he was daddy.
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Speaker 1: I'm Linda, one of Don Lewis's daughters, and we miss
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Speaker 1: our dad. I'm Donna, I'm Don Lewis's oldest daughter. We
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Speaker 1: need to know what happened to our father. I'm Anne,
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Speaker 1: Don's former assistance. All we're asking is justice for Don
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Speaker 1: Don Lewis was seriously disappeared in nineteen ninety seven. His
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Speaker 1: family deserves answers, They deserve justice. Do you know who
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Speaker 1: did this? Where Carol basking was involved? One hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars reward has been funded. You can call the tip
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Speaker 1: line at six or six four five zero, six five
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Speaker 1: three zero or Choler office in eight hundred litigame Thank
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Speaker 1: You that ad aired during Dancing with the Stars in
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Speaker 1: multiple markets. For those of you that don't know this,
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Speaker 1: entire investigation was re ignited with a Netflix series on
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Speaker 1: Tiger King aka Joe Exotic. His name says Carol Baskin.
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Speaker 1: Of course he threatened to kill her. He shot a dollar,
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Speaker 1: blew up a doll on TV that represented her, and
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Speaker 1: went on and on and on between the two of them.
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Speaker 1: Now she is set to seize control of his tiger
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Speaker 1: compound as he sits behind bars, convicted of his antics
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Speaker 1: against Carol Baskin, along with mistreatment of animals. But there's
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Speaker 1: a backstory to this. It's the story of Don Lewis,
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Speaker 1: who goes mysteriously absent while married to Carol Baskin. The
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Speaker 1: truth or his body has never been found Tipline six
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Speaker 1: four six five zero six five three zero or Hillsborough
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Speaker 1: Sheriff eight one three two four seven eighty two hundred.
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Speaker 1: Back to you, John Phillips and Lewis family lawyer. What
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Speaker 1: happened on the day that Don Lewis goes missing. We
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Speaker 1: don't even know what day you went missing. So Anne McQueen,
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Speaker 1: his longtime assistant, last saw him that Friday, and he
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Speaker 1: was set to go tell Carol that he was done.
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Speaker 1: She had been violent with him, he had fought a
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Speaker 1: restraining order that had been denied months prior. He was
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Speaker 1: going to divorce her and possibly leave and go to
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Speaker 1: Costa Rica. He's never seen from again, and he checks
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Speaker 1: in with Anne about every day. She didn't hear from
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Speaker 1: him through Saturday Sunday. Carol has a story that she
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Speaker 1: saw him Monday morning. Nobody's seen him after that and
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Speaker 1: he's gone. Immediately. They start fighting over his assets and
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Speaker 1: Carol seizes his trailer, which we're all inconsistent with what
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Speaker 1: you do if you thought somebody was just gonna return,
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Speaker 1: you know what, absolutely right about that. I want to
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Speaker 1: follow up with that, follow up on that with ye
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, if
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Speaker 1: my husband he's on a business trip right now, and
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Speaker 1: you're a neck of the woods John Phillips, if he
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Speaker 1: didn't come home tonight when he said he's going to
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Speaker 1: come home I would rush to the bank to trying
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Speaker 1: to find out what assets he has it I don't
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Speaker 1: know about where's the will? That would not be my
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Speaker 1: first move, not at all. Nancy. And the other thing
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Speaker 1: that people sometimes don't connect is she ran into her
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Speaker 1: brother that is in law enforcement. He was a sheriff's deputy.
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Speaker 1: This guy, to me has been m I a why
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Speaker 1: in the world would he not take lead in finding
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Speaker 1: answers of what happened to his brother in law. As
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, the first thing we can do is
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Speaker 1: figure out whether or not a crime was committed. So
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Speaker 1: either he was kidnapped, he was murdered, or he took
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Speaker 1: a powder and bounce to you know, faked his own death.
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Speaker 1: But you've got to prove that Crime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace once again, everybody, thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation. In series X one eleven, once again,
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Speaker 1: the story of Joe Exotic not his real name is
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Speaker 1: Joe Multonado Passage. He's sitting behind bars for threats on
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Speaker 1: the life of Carol Baskt, and I'm not saying that's wrong.
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Speaker 1: He has recently asked for a pardon from President Trump.
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Speaker 1: He's had COVID behind bars, and now he's been saying
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Speaker 1: he's been sex assaulted behind bars and shown pictures of
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Speaker 1: his hands. They look raw, guys. It's all been brought
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Speaker 1: back to the forefront because Carol Baskin has not just
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Speaker 1: disappeared and gone away. She's starting on Dancing with the Stars.
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Speaker 1: And what I want to find out is will it
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Speaker 1: reignite the investigation into the disappearance of her husband, don't
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Speaker 1: many many years ago. I want to go through those facts.
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Speaker 1: And Cheryl McCollum, you were just throwing out a lot
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Speaker 1: of theories. And when people do that, especially on the stand,
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Speaker 1: I forced them to follow their theories through to their
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Speaker 1: logical conclusions. So one of the theories you threw out,
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Speaker 1: they is that he faked his death or his disappearance
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Speaker 1: for what. Let's just follow that through. For what. He
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Speaker 1: did not go to his farm and his home in
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Speaker 1: Costa Rica. He's not there, So what's your theory? What's
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Speaker 1: he living under a bridge somewhere by choice? Let's follow
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Speaker 1: through your theory, I want to be perfectly clear, not
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Speaker 1: my theory, but some people have said that. But again,
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Speaker 1: he had two passports. Yep, he had a which where
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Speaker 1: he came out at a fault bottom right, he had
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Speaker 1: a briefcase that was had a fault at him. But again,
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Speaker 1: did he have a third passport? Was this his way
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Speaker 1: of getting away from Carol because he couldn't get the
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Speaker 1: restraining order? Did he won't out of this carriage that
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Speaker 1: bad that he didn't know any other way to do it?
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Speaker 1: Hold on, John Phillips, you're the Lewis family lawyer. That
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Speaker 1: is a line of BS. Now. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: they taught you that at your in law school, but
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Speaker 1: that's a technical legal term b S. This guy did
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Speaker 1: not faked his disappearance and leave all that money on
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Speaker 1: the table. H L L. Bachelor of I can't say
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Speaker 1: that word. Uh, yeah, you're right, it's he's out. He
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Speaker 1: would not have left his family, He would not have
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Speaker 1: left his loved ones. And more important, this guy that
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Speaker 1: literally sold horse maneuver and cars and they built up
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Speaker 1: a million dollar enterprise on tax deed sales, would not
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Speaker 1: have left all the cash that he had around the house,
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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash. He just wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have done it. And so those theories and be and
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Speaker 1: have completely disappeared in the social media area for twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three years. He's dead. He's dead. He's dead. To
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Speaker 1: uh you again, John Phillips, what did you find, if
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Speaker 1: anything unusual about Carol Baska's behavior at the time don
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Speaker 1: Joe's missing. Oh, it's all it's it's all erratic. And
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Speaker 1: she's got so many you know, when a hurricane comes through,
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Speaker 1: there's the spaghetti models. She's created spaghetti models for everything,
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Speaker 1: including some things we know pretty much not to be true.
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Speaker 1: The whole meat grind theory. We don't believe that he
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Speaker 1: was meat ground. But the thing is, she lied and
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Speaker 1: said she only had a household meat grinder instead of
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Speaker 1: the one we know that they towed behind a golf cart.
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Speaker 1: So why lie about it? Except you know, there's this
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Speaker 1: whole thing about reasonable doubt. I guess if there's so
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Speaker 1: many stories out there, you can't you can't convict her.
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Speaker 1: But well, I found it very unusual that she started
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Speaker 1: securing all of his assets, put a lot on his office.
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Speaker 1: So his longtime assistant couldn't get in there. When that
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Speaker 1: she did get in there, all of the legal documents
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Speaker 1: were gone. I would not think he had to use
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Speaker 1: she had to use a fake power of attorney to
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Speaker 1: even do that. The power of attorney has a trace
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Speaker 1: signature of Don Lewis from his marriage certificate and even
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Speaker 1: in our lawsuits since we filed it. Susan Arnolf Bradshaw
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Speaker 1: said she wasn't there. She didn't sign that poa. It's
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Speaker 1: an invalid poa. But Carol used it to seize assets,
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Speaker 1: to take control, be a co conservator of the estate
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Speaker 1: and guide her herself in two millions of dollars. And
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Speaker 1: how quickly after his disappearance was she doing the making
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Speaker 1: the financial maneuvors. Dave to doctor Bethany Marshall psychoanleist, joining
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Speaker 1: me out of Beverly heels at doctor Bethany Marshall dot
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Speaker 1: com Welly and Bethany finds me of all the stories
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Speaker 1: we've covered together where a child goes missing, the police
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Speaker 1: go to the house and all the baby toys and
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Speaker 1: baby pictures are thrown in the trash like minutes later,
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Speaker 1: as if that person's life was not worth anything. I
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Speaker 1: think that Carol is what we call histrionic, meaning people
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Speaker 1: that are histrionic have rapidly fluctuating emotions that appear deep
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Speaker 1: in nature, but they're not deep at all. They're just
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Speaker 1: very attention getting. So the thing about the meat grinder
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Speaker 1: and then the fake poa and breaking into the office
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Speaker 1: and everything she's done is much more attention getting than
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Speaker 1: putting the focus on the life of her most likely
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Speaker 1: deceased husband, Don Lewis. She is dancing on his grave
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Speaker 1: right now. If you lost the beloved husband, would you
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Speaker 1: go on Dancing with the Stars, just dancing around and
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Speaker 1: completely oblivious to the loss of your husband. Would you
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Speaker 1: be estrange with your husband's children, No, you would not.
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Speaker 1: I think it's very strange that his car was left
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Speaker 1: in the parking lot of a small airport, and that
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Speaker 1: there was nothing to indicate that he ever got on
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Speaker 1: a plane and flew out of town. That indicates that
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Speaker 1: something happened in and around where Don Lewis lived. Even
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Speaker 1: at this hour, seemingly another suspect, or at least person
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Speaker 1: of interest has arisen. In the meantime. Carol Baskin dancing
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Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars to eye the tiger dressed
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Speaker 1: in her usual garb. As all of this is swirling,
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Speaker 1: she is set to take over Joe Exotic maldonno Passages
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Speaker 1: Tiger Kingdom that made him famous. I want to circle
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Speaker 1: back to the fact to you, Nicole Parton Crime Online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter at the time Don Lemon goes missing.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that night Carol Baskin is driving around
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Speaker 1: town between two and three o'clock in the morning. She
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Speaker 1: said to get milk for one of the tiger cubs,
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Speaker 1: for one of the animals. She gets a flat tire
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Speaker 1: or has some kind of car trouble and is spotted
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Speaker 1: by no one less than her own brother, whose own law,
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Speaker 1: who is on local law enforcement with a partner. Tell
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Speaker 1: me what happened? Right, So, there's this strange story that
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Speaker 1: she's out at two or three am in the morning
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Speaker 1: driving around looking for milk. First of all, if you
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Speaker 1: run a place where you're caring for tigers and tiger
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Speaker 1: cubs and kittens, you would have those things on hand.
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Speaker 1: I would agin that's your field of expertise. But she
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Speaker 1: claims she's out looking for milk to feed one of
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Speaker 1: these kittens, has a flat runs into the family member
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Speaker 1: and another member of law enforcement fails to mention anything
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Speaker 1: about her husband, fails to mention that she's out riding
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Speaker 1: around and that things are going awry, And this family
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Speaker 1: member of hers fails later to mention to authorities, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I just happened to run into her at two to
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Speaker 1: three am last night. That following day, she's reporting her
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Speaker 1: husband missing. But this guy sweeps it under the rug
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Speaker 1: and never even mentions to authorities. Oh yeah, I happen
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Speaker 1: to see her out last night. You know, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: you can't make a murder case based on demeanor or
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Speaker 1: odd behavior. There's got to be a lot more than that.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Well, we don't have
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Speaker 1: a body, but let me tell you what we do have.
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Speaker 1: We have the fact that after he goes missing, she
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Speaker 1: does not contact his adult daughters an ex wife looking
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Speaker 1: for him and asking for their help to find him.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't go to law enforcement and demand a search party,
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Speaker 1: demand volunteers show up, offer a reward, go on TV
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Speaker 1: every night looking for him. She has his phone cut off.
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Speaker 1: She cuts his cell phone. Who does that? Thinking he
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Speaker 1: might be held captive somewhere or hit his head or
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Speaker 1: having a help issue. He can't even contact her, she
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Speaker 1: takes all the paperwork, she starts making money moves. I mean, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the van was left in such a weird way. This
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Speaker 1: keys and briefcase were inside of it. But it's not
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Speaker 1: only part to the small airport. It's part that an
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Speaker 1: airport of a man that he had a business deal
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Speaker 1: that went south with. He would have never gone to
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Speaker 1: that airport. He would have never used that airport ever.
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Speaker 1: And then again, I'm going to go back to the
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Speaker 1: restraining order that he tried to get against Carol. On
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Speaker 1: top of that, you've got documents that appeared to experts
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Speaker 1: to be forged, including the power of attorney that no
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Speaker 1: attorney in the United States has been able to tell
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Speaker 1: us that they added in the event of my death
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Speaker 1: or I go missing, nobody thinks they're gonna go missing.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace guys. In the recent days,
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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin has appeared on Dancing with the Stars and
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Speaker 1: it has reignited the search for her long missing husband
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Speaker 1: Don Lewis. Also, during this interval has another person of
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Speaker 1: interest emerged. Take a listen to our friend Richard Slussinger
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Speaker 1: at forty eight hours. He was basically a jack of
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Speaker 1: all trades, his right hand man, and then after Don
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Speaker 1: Lewis disappeared, he went and worked with Carol Baskin. He
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Speaker 1: was driving when a down vans Don's blue van. Trish
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Speaker 1: far Payne was married to Kenny for five years. This
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Speaker 1: is her first television interview. She says, two days before
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Speaker 1: Don Lewis was reported missing, far came home with Don
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Speaker 1: Lewis's van and inside there was a pile of guns.
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Speaker 1: He said, helped me carry these in. We carried him in,
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Speaker 1: We put him under the bed, we put him in
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Speaker 1: the closet, We put him in that little bathroom we
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Speaker 1: had in our room. I was like, whoa where did
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Speaker 1: you get these? He said, listen, I'm hanging onto these
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Speaker 1: right now for Carol. But he said Don's gone, and
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Speaker 1: I don't want you talking about him. Did you ask
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Speaker 1: him what he meant by Don's gone? No, not right then,
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Speaker 1: because he would blow up. Were easy at me and
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Speaker 1: I just didn't question it. Later that week she heard
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Speaker 1: on the news that Don had gone missing. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friend, Richard Schlessinger at forty eight hours has a
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Speaker 1: new person of interest emerged in the disappearance of Don
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Speaker 1: Lewis All of this brought to a head yet again
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Speaker 1: in addition to the Netflix series Tiger King Joe Exotics
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Speaker 1: Still behind Bars right Now asking for a presidential pardon
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Speaker 1: and claiming that he has been sex assaulted behind bars
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Speaker 1: as Carol Baskin dances the night Away on Dancing with
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Speaker 1: the Stars. Kenny Farr was Don Lewis's right hand man,
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Speaker 1: according to sources, and after he disappears, isn't true he
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Speaker 1: began working for Carol Baskin immediately showing up at his
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Speaker 1: own home with guns belonging to Don Lewis. Before Lewis's
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Speaker 1: disappearance even hits the airwaves, he tells his wife Don
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Speaker 1: is gone. Take a listen to Richard Slessinger. Everything started
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Speaker 1: kind of coming together. Kenny's got Don's vand Kenny's got
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Speaker 1: Don's guns. Don's gone, and I knew Don was gone
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Speaker 1: the day before he supposedly was missing it. Something wasn't right,
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Speaker 1: She says she was too afraid to ask Kenny, but
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Speaker 1: it was hard to ignore some very strange things, like
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Speaker 1: the large freezer with a padlock that she says appeared
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Speaker 1: on their porch around the time Don disappeared. And then
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Speaker 1: she says the freezer vanished. How long after Don disappeared
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Speaker 1: did the freezer disappear About a week after Dawn disappear.
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Speaker 1: Patrici says she waited years to tell police about her suspicions.
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Speaker 1: I was afraid for my kids. You know, I had
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Speaker 1: my kids. I was afraid for them. I was more
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Speaker 1: afraid for them than anything. If you have information, the
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Speaker 1: tip line six four six four five zero six five
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Speaker 1: three zero, or Hillsborough Sheriff eight one two four seven
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Speaker 1: eighty two hundred to John Phillips, the Don Lewis family
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Speaker 1: lawyer representing all of his children and grandchildren. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of this new development A potential person of interest? Nancy,
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Speaker 1: It's it's really important. I've sat down and talked to
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Speaker 1: Trish formerly Trish Far, Kenny Far's ex wife, and it's
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Speaker 1: really important to note that that call, that conversation she
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Speaker 1: had with her husband, Kenny, was before the day before
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Speaker 1: Carol reported him missing. Carrol's last saw him, So Kenny says,
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Speaker 1: if you believe the story, Kenny says Don's gone, he's disappeared,
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Speaker 1: But Carol says she saw him the next day, and
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Speaker 1: so that's impossible that those two facts cannot exist in
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Speaker 1: the same container of space. So I've sat down with Trish.
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Speaker 1: She was super reputable. There's no question in my mind
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Speaker 1: she believes what she's saying, and we've named Kenny Farr
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Speaker 1: in our pure bill of discovery to investigate that aspect.
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Speaker 1: There's another clip in that forty eight hours interview that's
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Speaker 1: super compelling as well. I don't know if you're going
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Speaker 1: to get to that. You know, you just said you
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Speaker 1: named him in your what it's a pure bill of discovery.
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Speaker 1: So under Florida law, you can obviously sue for damages
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Speaker 1: or you can sue for information, and people don't use
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Speaker 1: it very often. It's pretty rare, but we have sued
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Speaker 1: here for information to compel depositions interrogatory subpoenas to try
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Speaker 1: to determine if there was enough fraud that we can
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Speaker 1: open up some of the statutes of limitations. We are
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Speaker 1: not dependent on that because Carol has this daily vlob
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Speaker 1: she issues that's defaming everybody involved every single day, and
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Speaker 1: she comments on every post that's made. So she's just
22:43
Speaker 1: she's just digging her own, her own mess. But but
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Speaker 1: it's either way, she's going to wind up sitting for
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Speaker 1: a deposition and have to explain this. But we've made
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Speaker 1: for information, John Phillipson, Yes, that is very very rarely used.
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Speaker 1: Suing to get information, not suing for money. That's what
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Speaker 1: we normally hear about. Who are you suing to get information?
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Speaker 1: John Phillips We've named Susan Arnolf Bradshaw. So she was
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Speaker 1: the key witness on the power of attorney right now
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Speaker 1: saying she didn't she wasn't there, she didn't sign that.
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Speaker 1: She said that in her answer to our petition, and
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Speaker 1: so that's a big deal. She's saying that boa doesn't
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Speaker 1: wasn't real. We sued Kenny Farr to find out about
23:28
Speaker 1: the story you just heard, if if, if we can
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Speaker 1: date that Kenny knew he disappeared before Carol said he disappeared.
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Speaker 1: We have a serious problem. And then Kenny also Trish
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Speaker 1: also talks about Kenny wants using violence on her and
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Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna put you in the meat grinder like
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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, Don Lewis, you know Cheryl will tell
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Speaker 1: him at this point. I think the best thing to do,
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Speaker 1: says nobody asked me is what I always did, throwing
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Speaker 1: both in the same pot to stew until this happens,
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Speaker 1: they start pointing at each other and somebody blurts out
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Speaker 1: the truth. Try to get a deal. Nancy. I have
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Speaker 1: a list in my head of great legal moments, and
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Speaker 1: one is when you call the canine as a witness brilliant.
24:17
Speaker 1: The other is when Jack I give the dog all
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Speaker 1: the credit. On that one, it was brilliant. The others
24:23
Speaker 1: when Jack Ballard got Wayne Williams explode on the sand,
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Speaker 1: and the latest one when the don Lewis family, along
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Speaker 1: with their attorney John Sellips, had an ad put in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the TV during Dancing with the Stars.
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Speaker 1: Pure brilliance because the person that should be talking about
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Speaker 1: what happened to Don Lewis ain't doing The person that
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Speaker 1: should be begging for help from Sheriff Coronister ain't doing it.
24:53
Speaker 1: The family has championed this, along with an McQueen and
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Speaker 1: some other vital people. There is an excuse me social
25:03
Speaker 1: media group heab Ripper Jack, and they are taking care
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Speaker 1: of business and I'm just telling you share Cronister and
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Speaker 1: Corporal Garcia need to sit down and everybody show their cards.
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Speaker 1: There's some good information out there, Nancy, and it needs
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Speaker 1: to come to the surface. Well, what I think John
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Speaker 1: Phillips is doing it's the right path if he can
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Speaker 1: get a hold of this guy that could be a
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Speaker 1: potential POY person of interest. Take a listen to more
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Speaker 1: of Richard Slessinger. She says he made that one threat
25:36
Speaker 1: that was especially frightening and bizarre and maybe revealing. Kenny
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Speaker 1: had threatened to put me in the grinders. He said,
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Speaker 1: if you try to leave me again, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: put you in the grinder like I did Don. I'm
25:48
Speaker 1: sorry he said what he said. If you try to
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Speaker 1: leave me again, I will put you in the grinder
25:53
Speaker 1: like I did Don and a meat grinder. Yeah. Do
25:58
Speaker 1: you remember what you thought when he said that. I
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Speaker 1: thought he was selling the truth. I knew deep down
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Speaker 1: that Kenny has some part in Don's not ever coming back.
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Speaker 1: I knew then for sure. Three years after Don went missing,
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Speaker 1: in the midst of her divorce from Kenny Farr, Trish
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Speaker 1: says she finally told the police everything Kenny Farr told
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Speaker 1: us this morning. Trisha's story is quote an outlandish lie unquote.
26:46
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace guys as another As another
26:52
Speaker 1: potential person of interest emerges, What is happening with the
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Speaker 1: investigation and what is happening with the Tiger King himself?
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Speaker 1: Joe Exotic behind bars take a listen to this. In
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Speaker 1: his latest bid for a presidential pardon, Tiger King's Joe
27:13
Speaker 1: Exotic is now claiming he's been sexually assaulted by prison guards.
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Speaker 1: According to TMZ, who broke the story, the disgraced former zookeeper,
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Speaker 1: whose real name is Joseph Muldonado, has written an extended
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Speaker 1: letter to President Donald Trump making a case for why
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Speaker 1: he thinks he should be granted a pardon. In the
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Speaker 1: reportedly two hundred and fifty seven page plea to the President,
27:35
Speaker 1: Muldonado says that in Oklahoma's Greaty County jail he was
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Speaker 1: quote sexually assaulted by jail staff, beat up, and tied
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Speaker 1: in a chair to the point that the skin came
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Speaker 1: off my arms. For the record, he's been transferred to
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Speaker 1: a federal prison in Fort Worth, Texas. Muldonado has also
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Speaker 1: claimed that quote if you're gay, you're not allowed in
27:54
Speaker 1: the TV room to watch TV either. You're treated the
27:58
Speaker 1: same as sex offenders by the Nates. In an email,
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Speaker 1: he stated, I was locked in a room naked for
28:04
Speaker 1: eight days, sleeping on a cold metal shelf on the
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Speaker 1: floor with dried feces and sperm on it from so
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Speaker 1: many others before me. There is no mental health here,
28:13
Speaker 1: It's just abuse. The jail has denied that mulden Otto
28:18
Speaker 1: was harmed straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoalis to
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Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
28:26
Speaker 1: You see the dichotomy between Joe Exotic and Carol Baskin.
28:32
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Joe Exotic was innocent. He
28:37
Speaker 1: should have gone to jail for threatening to kill Carol
28:40
Speaker 1: Baskin and his treatment of animals a jury agreed. But
28:44
Speaker 1: to see her on Dancing with the Stars when the
28:48
Speaker 1: disappearance of her husband, Don Lewis has never been resolved
28:53
Speaker 1: is quite the contrast. Do you agree? I agree, it's
28:57
Speaker 1: the contrast. And Carol Baskin is one of these perpetrators
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Speaker 1: who seems to always rise to the top, and we
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Speaker 1: think of her as just having one potential victim, Don Lewis,
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Speaker 1: her late husband, But perpetrators like Carol Baskin have multiple victims.
29:16
Speaker 1: There is never just one victim. There's Joe Maldonado, even
29:21
Speaker 1: though you know he's not a saint, there's Don Lewis's secretary,
29:27
Speaker 1: his two lovely daughters that have probably paid their own
29:31
Speaker 1: money for this commercial, and who knows who else out there,
29:36
Speaker 1: maybe even Carol Baskin's brother, the patrol officer who is
29:40
Speaker 1: on patrol that night, covers for his sister and then
29:43
Speaker 1: what happens to his career. So there's a ripple effect
29:46
Speaker 1: in terms of her offending pattern. Now we just know
29:50
Speaker 1: about what's happening to Joe Maldonado because he has put
29:53
Speaker 1: this statement out to President Trump, and we know that
29:58
Speaker 1: high net worth individual like to find other networking individuals
30:03
Speaker 1: and to publicize their affiliation, So maybe that's what Joe
30:06
Speaker 1: Muldonado is doing. But we do know that that Carol
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Speaker 1: Baskins is dancing her way not only over her husband's grave,
30:16
Speaker 1: but over everybody's life around her. To Nicole Parton Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, is it true that Carol
30:23
Speaker 1: Bastin is set to take over the Tiger King's Tiger Preserve?
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Speaker 1: That's true, Nancy. The Winwood Exotic Animal Park formally Joe
30:31
Speaker 1: Exotics Park went to Jeff Lowe. Jeff Lowe lost his
30:35
Speaker 1: license and a judge then ordered the property to be
30:38
Speaker 1: given to Carol, and we expect that to happen any day.
30:41
Speaker 1: And I also want to add here in my local
30:43
Speaker 1: market in Florida, the family's commercial and Dancing with the
30:47
Speaker 1: Stars aired and that was the showstopper of the night.
30:52
Speaker 1: That was the greatest move for that first Dancing with
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Speaker 1: the Stars episode. Wait can you see the next one? So,
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Speaker 1: John Phillips, is there going to be another commercial in
31:03
Speaker 1: the middle Dancement Stars. We're working out what we're gonna do.
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Speaker 1: But the intention, Yeah, these things are expensive and the
31:11
Speaker 1: family just can't keep shelling out and keep up. We can't,
31:13
Speaker 1: you know, we can't. We can't afford a national ad.
31:16
Speaker 1: We can't afford much. But there is an intention to
31:19
Speaker 1: put more messaging out every time we've got to hear,
31:25
Speaker 1: you know, Carol Baskin appear and not mentioned Don Lewis.
31:28
Speaker 1: Don Lewis's name needs to be a part of the
31:30
Speaker 1: narrative at all times. If we're going to talk about
31:32
Speaker 1: Carol Baskin, well, somebody is still making money off Joe Exotic.
31:36
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. It seems like the public
31:39
Speaker 1: just can't get enough of Tiger King star Joe Exotic
31:42
Speaker 1: his line of designer underwear, some sporting his face over
31:46
Speaker 1: the groin area, sold out immediately when it launched earlier
31:49
Speaker 1: this month, breaking in fifty thousand dollars in online sales.
31:52
Speaker 1: The top seller in his Revenge collection with Old Dangerous
31:56
Speaker 1: appears to be the limited edition Casket Basket Box a
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Speaker 1: brief which depicts blood red ice cream in a cone.
32:04
Speaker 1: Let's listen to part of the ad seeing your husband, boyfriend,
32:07
Speaker 1: fiance and those nasty tidy whitey and then drinking boxing doors.
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Speaker 1: Have I got the product for you today? Jazz him
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Speaker 1: up and get him on the wild side with exclusive
32:17
Speaker 1: Tiger Knew and they are everywhere, Oh Dangerous, just put
32:21
Speaker 1: up three billboards in Mexico pushing the Revenge collection. Somebody's
32:26
Speaker 1: making money off Joe Exotic by putting out the Joe
32:30
Speaker 1: Exotic underwear with let's just say meaningful messages across the
32:35
Speaker 1: crotch in another arena of the courthouse. Take a listen
32:41
Speaker 1: to Chase Horn kfo R News four. Owner of the
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Speaker 1: GW Zoo, Jeff Flow, still has until October before Carol
32:49
Speaker 1: Baskin takes over the property, but this week the zoo
32:51
Speaker 1: posted on its Facebook page that the park is close
32:54
Speaker 1: to the public, effective immediately. Guy, you got to go
32:57
Speaker 1: from across the street, across the street, yester wire from
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Speaker 1: across wire from across the street because the police the
33:06
Speaker 1: doors may be closed. But minutes after we showed up
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Speaker 1: to the GW zoo, zookeeper Eric Cohey came outside telling
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Speaker 1: us to leave across the street. We're not on your property, dude,
33:17
Speaker 1: you gotta go across street. The announcement came in this
33:20
Speaker 1: Facebook post the GW Zoo saying they have decided to
33:24
Speaker 1: close the Old Zoo effective immediately. This after the USDA
33:28
Speaker 1: announced it was suspending owner Jeff Lowe's exhibitors license for
33:32
Speaker 1: twenty one days. The USDA sending us a statement that says,
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Speaker 1: in part, Lowe may not conduct regulated activity during the suspension.
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Speaker 1: After the twenty one day suspension, APHIS will evaluate the
33:44
Speaker 1: status of the animals at the facility and determine next steps.
33:48
Speaker 1: Seemingly they have until October before the preserve is taken over.
33:53
Speaker 1: At this hour, Kenny far the former handyman to Carol Baskin,
33:58
Speaker 1: as well as Carol basket ER's self, insists they are
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Speaker 1: innocent and had nothing to do with the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: Don Lewis back to you, John Phillips, the Lewis family lawyer,
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Speaker 1: does Don's the family believe in any condition, under any condition,
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Speaker 1: he would remain absent from the lives of his children
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Speaker 1: for this long. Absolutely not. Donna, the eldest daughter, saw
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Speaker 1: him the father's day before he went missing, so months
34:29
Speaker 1: before he went missing, Don had a wonderful relationship with
34:34
Speaker 1: his kids. I mean, certainly adult kids kind of move
34:38
Speaker 1: on sometimes, but he maintained in close contact with his kids,
34:43
Speaker 1: loved his grandkids, had met his young grandkids at that time.
34:47
Speaker 1: And there's just there's just no plausible scenario that Don
34:51
Speaker 1: would walk away for twenty three years and nobody find him.
34:55
Speaker 1: John Phillips, He's dead. And are you sure McCallum it
34:59
Speaker 1: was not natural causes? What's your best what's your best scenarios?
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Speaker 1: Jeral What happened? Best scenario is you bollow the money
35:06
Speaker 1: who benefited. There's only one person that is benefited financially
35:09
Speaker 1: from this, and this person. In an ad for Dancing
35:12
Speaker 1: with the Stars, when asked about her choreography, of all
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Speaker 1: the phrases she could have chosen, she's selected to say,
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Speaker 1: I'm killing it. Again, Baskin insists she's innocent. Tipline eight one, three, two, four,
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Speaker 1: seven eighty two hundred. We wait as justice Unfoalds Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,