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Growing Up as Larry Drew's Son - Larry Drew II | Born To The Game Podcast · Born To The Game Podcast

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Speaker 1: Like you can winning a national championship at the highest
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Speaker 1: level in knowing that I should feel a sense of
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Speaker 1: pride in this accomplishment, but I really didn't, and I
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Speaker 1: felt bad about it.
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Speaker 2: This is gone till the games in the remaining line
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Speaker 2: with the peak, we're running on us and this time
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Speaker 2: lives on with players on to the game, carrying in
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Speaker 2: the plane goes on the path, but it's a loon
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Speaker 2: name proclaim, it's just going to the game.
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Speaker 3: That Welcome to born to the game, a space where
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Speaker 3: legacy speaks for itself. The series is produced in partnership
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Speaker 3: with Inflection Network and distributed through iHeartRadio. Each episode, we
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Speaker 3: sit down with the children of I conic athletes, entertainers,
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Speaker 3: and cultural figures to talk about identity, pressure, purpose, and
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Speaker 3: what it really means to build a name of your own.
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Speaker 4: Our next guest knows basketball in a way very few
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Speaker 4: people do.
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Speaker 3: He's the son of an NBA coach and a former player,
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Speaker 3: known for his decade long playing career after starring at
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Speaker 3: Missouri and a distinguished coaching path including head roles with
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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Hawks, Milwaukee Bucks, and intram head coach for
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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Cavaliers, working under tyrone LEU in recent years
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Speaker 3: and winning an NBA title as an assistant Larry Drew Sr.
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Speaker 3: Which means basketball wasn't just a sport growing up, it
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Speaker 3: was the environment.
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Speaker 5: And today we're diving into what it was really like
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Speaker 5: growing up courtside, navigating expectations and finding his own identity
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Speaker 5: within a legendary world.
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Speaker 4: Police.
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Speaker 3: Welcome, my dear friend and brother from a mother Larry
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Speaker 3: Drew Junior.
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Speaker 6: Welcome.
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Speaker 1: He's probably one to call these intro I've ever had.
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Speaker 1: Would you like it? That was great? Yeah, I appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: Glad to be Glad to be well. Look, I'm I
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Speaker 1: just want to give your flowers for a second, because
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Speaker 1: you know, we are a family. We go back, so
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Speaker 1: it's like this is, you know, super important for me
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Speaker 1: to be here so support, but then also just knowing,
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Speaker 1: like you know, love anything I can do to help you,
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Speaker 1: anything I can do, it's always.
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Speaker 3: I So we we just recently moved our studio from
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Speaker 3: Atlanta to l A And you were the first person
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Speaker 3: I thought.
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Speaker 1: Literally, I remember when you told me that you were
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Speaker 1: getting ready to start doing the podcast you're trying to
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Speaker 1: give you on last season.
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Speaker 5: But you know, yeah, La, she definitely was bringing you
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Speaker 5: up in the beginning.
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Speaker 1: First, I'm glad we got to make it happen.
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Speaker 3: I can't wait to get because when I say, we
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Speaker 3: go way back, like we go way back. Our moms
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Speaker 3: are pregnant at the same time, our dads played together
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Speaker 3: sacramental right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in Kansas Kings. I remember at one point I
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Speaker 1: want to say, they were like flip flop for or
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Speaker 1: they they play. They definitely played to I forgot how
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Speaker 1: they ended up not being on the same team. But
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Speaker 1: by the time I was born and we were born, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like I said, it was it was like family.
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Speaker 4: You know what, we used to terrorize school, locker room,
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Speaker 4: the street.
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Speaker 1: This is all before like social media, Internet, Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: It was right before the inn, so families. I think
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Speaker 1: back then too, it was just a little bit more
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Speaker 1: personable with how they were looking to go about just
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Speaker 1: even speaking on like you know, obviously they were not
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Speaker 1: blood related, but yeah, my whole life growing up, I
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Speaker 1: legit thought we thought, which is in some way, shape
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Speaker 1: or form. Yeah, you know it carries forth even to
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Speaker 1: this day.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, no, So we want we want you here
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Speaker 3: just to tell your story because you have a unique
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Speaker 3: experience being the son of an NBA coach, NBA player,
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Speaker 3: and then you also pursued basketball I did at at
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Speaker 3: the highest level, pursued in college, your top recruit. So
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Speaker 3: we want to get into just your journey of growing
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Speaker 3: up in it and transitioning from basketball into the real
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Speaker 3: world and just the pressure and the expectations that you faced.
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Speaker 3: But first I want to ask you what was your
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Speaker 3: earliest memory of being Larry's juic senior son. So, like,
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Speaker 3: what was that moment you had where you were like, oh, shoot,
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Speaker 3: Dad is a is a NBA player, Like this is
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Speaker 3: pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, it really it wasn't just any one moment. I
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Speaker 1: mean outside of I think when I just started to
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Speaker 1: recognize a little bit more about like his influence even
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Speaker 1: like within the organization with the Lakers, And it was
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Speaker 1: when he used to come home and talk about being
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Speaker 1: involved with this recruiting trip or like this project so
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Speaker 1: to speak with like he was looking at Kobe right,
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Speaker 1: he was part of the whole you know, should we
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Speaker 1: you know, bring in this kid and get rid of
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Speaker 1: you know, some of these superstars on a team. But
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Speaker 1: you know, he used to be in the kitchen, used
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Speaker 1: to talk, you know, on the phone. You know to
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Speaker 1: whoever you know Laker execs. And I remember one time
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Speaker 1: being in the kitchen just hearing the excitement that he
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Speaker 1: had in his voice because I think he just went
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Speaker 1: in and watched Kobe work out, maybe against Eddie Jones,
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Speaker 1: went wow, and the things that he was saying that
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Speaker 1: Kobe had done to him and then one on one
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Speaker 1: you know what was you know what I mean? So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think too, just like again then obviously like witnessing
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Speaker 1: Kobe's legacy. Yeah, thinking back like d you know I was.
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Speaker 1: I remember my dad legit, like having these conversations with me,
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Speaker 1: like son is his kid, He's coming to the league,
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Speaker 1: Like we got a chance to get him, and I
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Speaker 1: think we're gonna pull some triggers. I'm like, you're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm six years old. You know how old are you? Six?
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, just having the opportunity I think
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Speaker 1: to like experience first him, you know, the inner workings
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Speaker 1: of these teams or organizations. And again it wasn't It
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Speaker 1: wasn't really until like like my birthday, right, so I
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Speaker 1: would I go to school, I would have like a
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Speaker 1: birthday party.
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Speaker 7: Cool.
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Speaker 1: I want to say it was maybe my fourth and
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Speaker 1: my fifth party I had. It was at Corbin Bowl
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Speaker 1: Shot can and yeah, shot came to my party and
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Speaker 1: it was funny. So like again, this when I realized
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Speaker 1: my dad was like, you know, I was poor, so
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Speaker 1: like some of my friends in my class, it was
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Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I'm starting to learn kind
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Speaker 1: of you know, hey, I'll be your friend if you
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Speaker 1: do this for me. Hey listen, yeah, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean to try to like, you know, just like
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Speaker 1: little manipulation like kids do. And then so with the
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Speaker 1: whole shock thing, it made me realize like, oh, I
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Speaker 1: can start to leverage some of some of these opportunities
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Speaker 1: that I have, some of these events or experiences that
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Speaker 1: I may be throwing on my own, and then I
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Speaker 1: can either include or not include you. But this is
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Speaker 1: all made possible because of my pops. That's when I
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Speaker 1: started to realize, like, oh, it's not just like a
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Speaker 1: normal situation. So if somebody does something to me, I know,
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Speaker 1: you probably want some Lakers tickets, you probably might want
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Speaker 1: some Lakers year or whatever. And it's like I'm not
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Speaker 1: just out here like trading you know, paraphernalia for favors
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Speaker 1: or for friendships. But don't get on my bas you know.
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Speaker 1: And then I was also good in basketball, so I
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Speaker 1: had playing some some pull on my own, you know.
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Speaker 1: So it's just like, all right, I got skills, thanks Pops.
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Speaker 1: Or I can leverage some of these you know things.
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Speaker 3: So was that your So your dad introducing Kobe to
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Speaker 3: you at six years old?
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Speaker 4: Did that spark your your dream?
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Speaker 1: That's when the next Dad's I think when again, I
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Speaker 1: think it all starts to make sense to me. Just again,
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Speaker 1: like how how involved he was within the process, within
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Speaker 1: the organization.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 1: And then, like I said, so then once they brought
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Speaker 1: Kobe onto the team, because I've been hearing these stories,
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Speaker 1: you know, seeing my dad's excitement. I remember going to
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Speaker 1: Summer League ninety six, ninety seven. It was at Long Beach,
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Speaker 1: the U Pyramid, Okay, yep, And it was my first
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Speaker 1: time going to a summer league. I didn't even I
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Speaker 1: wasn't aware of NBA Summer League.
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Speaker 4: A you're what's still you're what's seven?
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Speaker 1: Six years old?
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Speaker 8: Seven?
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Speaker 4: Okay?
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Speaker 1: So again it's my first time experiencing summer league.
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Speaker 8: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then so we go out to Long Beach and
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Speaker 1: again it's not the real it's not the actual season.
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Speaker 1: It's summer League. So I'm still I'm kind of confused.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, where what are we doing?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: My dad is like, oh, we're going to a game.
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Speaker 1: So summer league game. So we get to this game
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Speaker 1: and it's packed sold out, like at this college arena.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's here to see Kobe, right, And again that's when
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Speaker 1: I started to realize, like, okay, he was. He was
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Speaker 1: talking about the kind of impact he was going to
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Speaker 1: have and seeing it. He bought out that game too.
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Speaker 4: There was just enter the league at summer league. You
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Speaker 4: were at the game.
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Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah. I remember going to a couple of
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Speaker 1: practices to his rookie year and having just you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm a kid, I'm curious, right, and I'm looking up
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Speaker 1: at him. I remember my dad kind of telling me too,
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Speaker 1: like he's a kid. He's a kid, And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest kids I've ever seen.
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Speaker 1: They talk about him like he's a kid, right, So
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Speaker 1: let me go see what this you know? Hey, hey friend? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I go talk to him. He was super, super humble.
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Speaker 1: He talked to me like I was like I wasn't
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Speaker 1: a kid for real, just asking me questions, who were you,
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Speaker 1: what do you like to do or you think you
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Speaker 1: can play, so then he'll get on the course, show
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Speaker 1: me a couple of things. Before you know it, we
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Speaker 1: just you know, we're just out there. But I would
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Speaker 1: have moments like these, memories like these again and trying
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Speaker 1: to correlate it all to you know, my bring like
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Speaker 1: how does this like what do these insights you know
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Speaker 1: mean for real? Ultimately, again, it's just like having thinking,
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Speaker 1: just the ability to have these types of insights experiences.
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Speaker 1: It's really not until time progresses and you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're a little bit later on in life did you
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Speaker 1: start to I think value a little bit more importantly. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because again when you're a kid, you don't.
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Speaker 3: Really you know, it doesn't click yet, like what you're
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Speaker 3: being exposed to exactly Exactay, So.
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Speaker 4: So at what age would you say?
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Speaker 2: So?
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Speaker 4: Six? At six years old? You mean one of the
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Speaker 4: most iconic sports.
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Speaker 1: Figures ever, he's like my idol.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So when So my question is, at what age did
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Speaker 3: you start like taking basketball seriously? And at what age
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Speaker 3: did you realize I can have a career in this To.
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Speaker 1: Be tald, it was never there was no age.
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Speaker 4: No, you're just from birth. Really, like I said, when
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Speaker 4: you came.
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Speaker 1: Here, I was just inundated with basketball. Yeah, okay, before
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Speaker 1: I e when and again it's probably my pops keeping
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Speaker 1: the ball in my hand and teaching me basics right,
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Speaker 1: how to just dribble, like you know, I had the
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Speaker 1: little tiny tight oops, so before I even was thinking
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Speaker 1: about the NBA of the league or just I'm just
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Speaker 1: having fun, right. Naturally took a liking to the game,
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Speaker 1: so it made it easier for my parents to you know,
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Speaker 1: continue put it in front, right. But soon yeah, like
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Speaker 1: I was good at it, so it did a lot
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Speaker 1: for my confidence on my self esteem, especially early on.
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Speaker 3: Why didn't you realize you were good at it? Like,
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Speaker 3: was it middle school? Was it elementary school?
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Speaker 4: You realized I.
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Speaker 1: Knew pretty much right away, Like it was only because
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Speaker 1: again it's like it's me being candid. So like I
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Speaker 1: would go to school in the valley, you know, I
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Speaker 1: went to private school, you know, white kids, what have you.
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Speaker 1: But my mom, she grew up in South Central so
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Speaker 1: after school she would take me over into the city
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Speaker 1: the hood, would you know, Crenshaw Ymca Rancho seeing a
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Speaker 1: good but I was always playing up too, you know,
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Speaker 1: so by the time I would get back over you know,
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Speaker 1: into my neighborhood, if you will. I'm playing, you know,
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Speaker 1: against kids in my grade. It's just like you know,
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Speaker 1: from preschool, kindergarten, first grade, I was so much better
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Speaker 1: than everybody that.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think much of it until I started to
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Speaker 1: again like recognize, like, oh, people are treating me different
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Speaker 1: because you know, all they want to pick me up
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Speaker 1: on your team to like capture the flag or like
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Speaker 1: cause I'm fast, because you know I can I can
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Speaker 1: jump high, right, what happened the ball?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I had like in one clothes, I had
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Speaker 1: like NBA socks and like makings gear, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I was you know, young slaggy, young slaggy kid on
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Speaker 1: the block. But ultimately, again like I didn't it wasn't
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Speaker 1: nothing I was thinking about, like, oh, I'm better than
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Speaker 1: this person, Like, you know, I want to go to
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Speaker 1: the NBA. You know, I really was just captivated by
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Speaker 1: the story of my childhood because I had such a
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Speaker 1: good childhood, right Like, I don't think my parents really
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Speaker 1: even really wanted me looking at the NBA thinking like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I gotta make it that, I gotta make it there.
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Speaker 1: It was like watch Satame Street, watch Barn you know,
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Speaker 1: go cause to the birthday parties, go play outside of
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Speaker 1: the park, go to you know, be a kid for
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Speaker 1: as long as you can, but you know you do
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Speaker 1: got to hang your hat somewhere on something. M And
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Speaker 1: my dad, he ll you know, he never pushed basketball.
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Speaker 1: It was always just leadership. Just be just be a
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Speaker 1: leader in whatever you do. Don't follow the crowd. You know,
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Speaker 1: if basketball is not what you want to do, I
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Speaker 1: might hear to forcemlow you. So okay, he definitely made
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Speaker 1: that a point too.
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Speaker 3: So it was gonna ask so, well, first was your
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Speaker 3: dream to become an NBA player? And how was it
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Speaker 3: when you are when you're realizing that you have game
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Speaker 3: and you can't play at the next level.
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Speaker 4: How was the dynamic between you and your dad? Did
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Speaker 4: you allow him to coach you?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how was Yeah? So again it's like the time aspect, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so my dad was always dad. He was never really
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Speaker 1: a coach to coach go is what he does professionally,
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Speaker 1: So I know, like you know, and it wasn't until
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Speaker 1: I got a little bit older. I would have like
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Speaker 1: same workouts, right, or like my dad would come to
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Speaker 1: the school, or I'll have some of my friends come
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Speaker 1: to the house or we would meet somewhere to the gym,
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Speaker 1: and my dad would work it's out and I would
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Speaker 1: see the difference and how like when he talked, how
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Speaker 1: they would, you know what I'm saying, lock and lock
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Speaker 1: eyes like a teen he kind of thing. You know,
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Speaker 1: I might be a little bit more lack of days ago,
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Speaker 1: kind of goofing off or whatever. Because it's my dad,
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, yeah, and uh, you know enough scenario
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Speaker 1: situations like that, you just start to peep like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: my friends have a certain level of respect from my pops.
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Speaker 1: Mm I understand why, you know, and it it just
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Speaker 1: kind of started having me a think, like just become
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Speaker 1: a little bit more a weird.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So before we get into the pressure and the expectations,
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Speaker 3: what was the hardest part about growing up and playing
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Speaker 3: with a dad like Larry Drew Senior.
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Speaker 1: I think the hardest part is just I think too
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Speaker 1: maybe because in my case we have we have the
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Speaker 1: same name, So there is some pressure. Yeah, for sure,
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Speaker 1: you can't. You can't escape it. Shoes to fill, yeah,
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Speaker 1: in one way or another. It's never Honestly, I always
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Speaker 1: thought I was better than my pops. I always you know,
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Speaker 1: we used to play one on one all the time.
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Speaker 1: I used to really feel like I could take him
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Speaker 1: and beat him, and I was better than him, even
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Speaker 1: though he never used to let me win. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: used to still feel like I was better than him.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it was just there was always something
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Speaker 1: that you know, and he he he pretty much just
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Speaker 1: told me. He was like, looks like, I'm not here
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Speaker 1: to force you into this again. Yeah, I think too.
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Speaker 1: In part because of his upbringing, like growing up in
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Speaker 1: the Midwest and like you know, in his family, there
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Speaker 1: was really no other option for him. It was like
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Speaker 1: he was gonna, shoot, you really have any choice. Well,
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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot, a lot of a lot
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Speaker 1: of like my siblings on my dad's side, Gravitators was
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Speaker 1: a church so like that family in the church on
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Speaker 1: my dad's side back in like Kansas City. But he
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Speaker 1: was just athletic, knew he wanted to get out of
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Speaker 1: that environment and ultimately hang his hat on something that
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Speaker 1: you know, in a in a competitive way. So he
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Speaker 1: played baseball a lot growing up. He put he tried
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Speaker 1: to get me into baseball early, but I wasn't getting baseball.
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Speaker 1: But he loved baseball for sure, but then he used
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Speaker 1: to tell his story about and he did play basketball
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Speaker 1: at the same time he was playing baseball, but he
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Speaker 1: he had a love for baseball more than he had
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Speaker 1: for basketball. And then it wasn't until he was like,
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Speaker 1: I want to say, I forget this guy's named Darnell Valentine.
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Speaker 1: Probably he probably better around, but is this guy in
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Speaker 1: my dad's life that he some rival from around his
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Speaker 1: way back when he grew up. And he said, this
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Speaker 1: guy Darnell Valentine got the best of him in one
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Speaker 1: of the games and just like embarrass him. But he
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Speaker 1: was like he just he said that Physically his statue,
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Speaker 1: this guy Darnel Valentine, he was like his legs were
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Speaker 1: like so big. But he was like he was a
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Speaker 1: point guard, you know what I'm saying. So he was
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Speaker 1: like he could sit down on defense to like pick
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Speaker 1: him up full court and just made his life like,
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Speaker 1: you know, miserable in that game, in that moment, you know,
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Speaker 1: whatever it was. And my dad was like, that's when
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Speaker 1: I realized I needed legs like that, and I needed
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Speaker 1: to I needed to get on his level physically and
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Speaker 1: condition myself. He said. When he started to basically just
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Speaker 1: try and like condition and physically get in shape to
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Speaker 1: play at that level that whoever it was that he
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Speaker 1: competed against was that's when he saw his game and
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Speaker 1: he was like, all right, I can make a living
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Speaker 1: playing basketball.
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 3: Well that perfectly segues into just us talking a little
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Speaker 3: bit about your pressure and the expectations.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you were one of.
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Speaker 6: The top high school recruits in the country and one
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Speaker 6: the John R.
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Speaker 5: Wooden High School Player of the Year award in two
18:10
Speaker 5: uh in twenty eight, two thousand and eight.
18:11
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Yeah, what was the experience like that at
18:14
Speaker 6: such a young age to have such an accomplishment, you know, it.
18:21
Speaker 1: Was an honort for sure, y I honestly, I wasn't
18:26
Speaker 1: even I I didn't even recognize the way to the
18:30
Speaker 1: award to at at the time, right, because I think,
18:33
Speaker 1: you know, at that time in my life coming out
18:37
Speaker 1: of high school, I was very naive.
18:42
Speaker 6: Just put it like that.
18:42
Speaker 1: I I thought I knew more than I did, and
18:45
Speaker 1: the things I probably should have been paying attention to
18:47
Speaker 1: a little bit more back then, I wasn't. And in
18:52
Speaker 1: my mind all I knew was, uh, you know, I'm
18:58
Speaker 1: here now, I'm about to take this next step so
19:00
Speaker 1: you know, I'm eighteen about to go to college. It's
19:04
Speaker 1: not too many more levels in between. Yeah, where I'm
19:07
Speaker 1: at now and where I'm trying to get to. Yeah,
19:09
Speaker 1: So that was really all that I was looking at
19:12
Speaker 1: in my mind was to say, like, you know, the
19:15
Speaker 1: great for my resume so that these teams know, you know,
19:18
Speaker 1: come drafts on who they getting. But like, you know,
19:20
Speaker 1: it's just another word.
19:21
Speaker 8: I guess.
19:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of how I looked at it. But
19:24
Speaker 1: I saw I remember the the ceremony. Shoot, it was
19:27
Speaker 1: a Steph Curry got awarded, I think the same time.
19:30
Speaker 1: Wow holiday, I think maybe it got any awards, So.
19:33
Speaker 4: I know it's a very special award.
19:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it was special. It still is, like
19:37
Speaker 1: you know, I still got the award, don't let me wrong.
19:39
Speaker 1: But like I said, I was, I was just looking
19:43
Speaker 1: at like all right, yeah this is cool, but like
19:45
Speaker 1: what's next?
19:46
Speaker 5: Like right, you know, So how was your process of
19:48
Speaker 5: choosing where you would go next as far as you
19:51
Speaker 5: know your education and where.
19:53
Speaker 1: You wanted to play. So this is kind of why
19:55
Speaker 1: I say I was a little naive, Okay, but and
20:04
Speaker 1: this is not the reason why I was naive. I
20:05
Speaker 1: had my parents involved heavily, and they they definitely helped
20:12
Speaker 1: guide me through what I should be looking for, mkay,
20:16
Speaker 1: knowing ultimately was gonna be my decision. But what what
20:21
Speaker 1: ended up happening was so I I was actually recruited
20:25
Speaker 1: by I think the the only school I didn't have
20:28
Speaker 1: a a scholarship from that. I was like kind of
20:31
Speaker 1: counting and just looking at and being like, alright, where's
20:34
Speaker 1: this school. It's Duke. And we had a tournament in
20:38
Speaker 1: North Carolina in my sophomore season. It was two thousand
20:41
Speaker 1: and six. It's called the Glaxo Smith Cline Tournament, and
20:45
Speaker 1: I had a had a decent tournament. And I remember
20:47
Speaker 1: we're in the airport when my high school team about
20:50
Speaker 1: to head back. We're checking our bags and then my coach,
20:55
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, hey, Larry, like somebody's on the phone,
20:57
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. It was Mike sochesky m
20:58
Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, a sn like we
21:00
Speaker 1: saw you at the tournament, you know, one of the
21:03
Speaker 1: offer you a scholarship. And I told him on the
21:05
Speaker 1: phone I wasn't interested, just.
21:09
Speaker 9: Just because I was like, you have so many other
21:13
Speaker 9: in my mind, you see what I'm saying but options
21:20
Speaker 9: just because I was interested.
21:21
Speaker 1: Now, yeah kind of thing. So looking back, so by
21:26
Speaker 1: the time I did narrow down my choices, I narrowed
21:30
Speaker 1: it down to three schools. Was UCLA Arizona in North Carolina.
21:33
Speaker 1: And this is strictly off of Aura, like u c
21:39
Speaker 1: l A is in my backyard. I love UCLA. I
21:41
Speaker 1: used to go up there all the time, who you know,
21:44
Speaker 1: knew the staff pretty well, and I just like the
21:48
Speaker 1: idea of staying home too, you know, twitter G Arizona
21:52
Speaker 1: wasn't that far away, but they had a very rich
21:54
Speaker 1: tradition of of developing point guards and the you know,
22:00
Speaker 1: I liked what the the schools about. And at that time,
22:02
Speaker 1: so I was into astronomy and I had a really
22:04
Speaker 1: cool astronomy department. So it was at and then Carolina
22:08
Speaker 1: was actually the only school that I took my official
22:10
Speaker 1: visit to. But it wasn't until I told UCLA that
22:18
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to take my official visit to
22:20
Speaker 1: North Carolina, I wanna say, two thousand and six, two
22:23
Speaker 1: thousand seven. They kind of got a little nervous about
22:27
Speaker 1: that and was like, well, nah, we don't think you
22:29
Speaker 1: should go. You should probably just commit to us, right now,
22:33
Speaker 1: and I was like, ah, I kind of wanna go
22:34
Speaker 1: through the process. Yeah, she was out there and they
22:37
Speaker 1: told me straight up there was like, okay, well if
22:38
Speaker 1: you go on this trip where we're gonna basically rescind
22:41
Speaker 1: your scholarship and get into to somebody else, yeah, and
22:44
Speaker 1: I was like do it. Oh yeah. So, but I
22:48
Speaker 1: was why I didn't end up going to UCLA first.
22:51
Speaker 1: Then uh, I had a tournament in Arizona with Pump
22:55
Speaker 1: and run uh Cacus Classy. I had a pretty good tournament.
23:00
Speaker 1: I was scheduled to meet with Lou Olsen at the
23:03
Speaker 1: time after the tournament to do a beneficial Arizona So
23:12
Speaker 1: me and Brandon Jenny's were actually on the campus at
23:15
Speaker 1: different parts of the campus getting shown around on the
23:17
Speaker 1: same day, and by the time we both had our
23:20
Speaker 1: conversations with Loot, which were at different times. By the
23:23
Speaker 1: time I had my conversation with Lout, he was like,
23:27
Speaker 1: I told Brandon the same thing. We had two scholarships available.
23:31
Speaker 1: We love both of you, but we understand that both
23:34
Speaker 1: of y'all probably wouldn't you know, work with one of you.
23:37
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, the same position, the same type
23:39
Speaker 1: of deal. So he was like, whoever commits first, it's
23:42
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. And I was like, okay, cool.
23:47
Speaker 1: The pressure, I know, it was interesting again, like just
23:52
Speaker 1: negotiation tactics oder than me.
23:56
Speaker 4: You're you're looking at it from a wise perspective.
23:58
Speaker 1: I'm like, well yeah, So I was like okay, cool,
24:00
Speaker 1: and you know, I like have some convos with my parents.
24:03
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, well you see what happened when
24:05
Speaker 1: you see LA, Like, you know, if you want to
24:07
Speaker 1: jump on this right, jump on it. And I was like, okay,
24:10
Speaker 1: you know, you know me say how I feel tomorrow
24:11
Speaker 1: about it. Brandon Landy back in LA. He ended up
24:17
Speaker 1: calling coach Olson committing and you know, having disgusted already
24:23
Speaker 1: with my parents and they were like, all right, you know,
24:24
Speaker 1: you should probably make a decision if there's something you're
24:27
Speaker 1: gonna do, just because of how you know, y'all got
24:29
Speaker 1: too many options, like after you the narrative down to
24:32
Speaker 1: these three. So once Brandy committed, I basically wait until
24:36
Speaker 1: I got home and I knew already I was going
24:39
Speaker 1: to commit to North Carolina since I had told all
24:41
Speaker 1: the other schools that I had no interest, and so
24:46
Speaker 1: that ended up being wide. I committed to North Carolina
24:48
Speaker 1: and going to North Carolina do that.
24:51
Speaker 4: But North Carolina just came off of a championship. No,
24:54
Speaker 4: did I make that up?
24:56
Speaker 1: Let me see when I got there and recent I
25:00
Speaker 1: got there two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
25:03
Speaker 1: we won a championship my freshman year. But the time
25:06
Speaker 1: prior to that that they went in two thousand and five.
25:08
Speaker 3: So they were on the map, like everybody, like going
25:12
Speaker 3: to you and see was a big deal, like even
25:14
Speaker 3: more so compared to Arizona and UCLA.
25:19
Speaker 1: Was probably yeah, probably like u CLA, like Kansas, Yeah,
25:26
Speaker 1: Kentucky's like there's only a couple like Mission State for real,
25:29
Speaker 1: like yeah, but so so yeah, So you know, I
25:33
Speaker 1: didn't think much of it in the sense of like,
25:35
Speaker 1: you know, oh, I'm losing out on anything. Yeah, Ucla
25:38
Speaker 1: or Arizona, Yeah, like didn't work out for me. I'm like, oh,
25:42
Speaker 1: like I'll fall back on North Carolina.
25:44
Speaker 3: Which is which is so wild to say, because I'm
25:47
Speaker 3: sure anybody else in your position like that's their dream
25:51
Speaker 3: like number one option, and for you, like you know, these.
25:54
Speaker 1: Other tutors, I'm not going to say it was like
25:57
Speaker 1: it was more so like I know, I did the work.
25:59
Speaker 1: I put myself in a position like I'm a body.
26:01
Speaker 4: I never knew this story. I'm learning something.
26:05
Speaker 1: I'm literally a lot of people ask me like why
26:07
Speaker 1: did you go to you want to see why did
26:08
Speaker 1: you go to like you know the acc and see
26:10
Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's why I'm saying, like, yeah, the
26:12
Speaker 1: naivety of it all is just that like at the time,
26:15
Speaker 1: I wasn't as engaged was really dissecting what these conferences
26:20
Speaker 1: look like, because in my mind, I'm like, oh, it's
26:23
Speaker 1: a game, right, you just play this game anywhere you go. Yeah,
26:26
Speaker 1: that's why I introduced like the politics of.
26:30
Speaker 4: That's when you got introduced to the politics of it. Interesting.
26:35
Speaker 1: It wasn't as fun anymore.
26:37
Speaker 3: And you know it's crazy, like I knew you were
26:39
Speaker 3: you were committing to you see, and I told everybody.
26:41
Speaker 3: And I was in Katie texts at the time, because
26:43
Speaker 3: you know, our mom spoke all the time about it,
26:46
Speaker 3: and I when I.
26:46
Speaker 4: Tell you, I was telling everybody. I was telling her,
26:49
Speaker 4: Oh no, I wasn't in Katie. I was in Atlanta
26:51
Speaker 4: at the time, and I bragged on you. I was,
26:54
Speaker 4: you know, my cousin.
26:54
Speaker 6: You know, you just committed.
26:56
Speaker 1: It was it was it was.
27:00
Speaker 3: I worried about I don't think I ever told you
27:01
Speaker 3: I got into it with somebody. It was probably head
27:05
Speaker 3: they was they was trying to talk some ship and
27:08
Speaker 3: I said, you ain't know Larry Drew.
27:11
Speaker 4: That's why I told myself, you're not Larry Drew. Where
27:13
Speaker 4: are you going to school to play?
27:15
Speaker 1: And that was a thing too, man, because like it
27:17
Speaker 1: was so crazy having like this sense of I'm just
27:22
Speaker 1: tethered to the court in real life and like people
27:29
Speaker 1: who have ideas of me that might not know. It's like, okay, cool,
27:34
Speaker 1: you can assume one thing, like you might assume you know,
27:37
Speaker 1: I was put here because my father is or whatever.
27:40
Speaker 1: It's like, come guard me, come guard me. You'll find
27:49
Speaker 1: out why there's buzz.
27:53
Speaker 8: Right.
27:53
Speaker 1: But at the same time, again, it's not enough in
28:00
Speaker 1: some places to just know that you're good, yeah right.
28:05
Speaker 1: You kind of do need an environment and a supporting cast.
28:08
Speaker 1: And that's like, you know, I realize that, especially coming
28:11
Speaker 1: like leaving home where my support was thinking and feeling
28:15
Speaker 1: like again, all right, well on my own support a
28:18
Speaker 1: naive like you need, you need like people around you
28:22
Speaker 1: that believe in you or you are gonna uplift.
28:24
Speaker 8: You for sure.
28:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the actually sex way into my next question.
28:28
Speaker 5: So you have already made your own imprint on your
28:32
Speaker 5: own just about your ability and your talent, but with
28:35
Speaker 5: your dad's background and your own success, did you feel
28:38
Speaker 5: the pressure to live up to expectations, whether spoken or unspoken.
28:43
Speaker 6: You spoke a little bit about it before, but the
28:44
Speaker 6: pressure part.
28:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, under I think that there is definitely some
28:48
Speaker 1: pressure to at least make the mbactivtys right. And again too,
28:53
Speaker 1: it's like it's not easy, you know what I'm saying,
28:57
Speaker 1: to get to that level. So then I see the
29:00
Speaker 1: sacrifice like my parents make too, like not just my dad,
29:03
Speaker 1: but then my mom, right, And it's like ship, if
29:06
Speaker 1: it weren't for her, I wouldn't be even with all
29:09
Speaker 1: the skills that my dad gave me. She's still like
29:14
Speaker 1: made sure that I was able to compete and had
29:17
Speaker 1: me in a situation where I was able to do
29:20
Speaker 1: the things that I love. So she had no time
29:23
Speaker 1: for herself because she made it all about me and
29:26
Speaker 1: my brothers. So at the very least, like I'm saying, oh,
29:30
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay it back to her to everybody else, right,
29:34
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta at the very least get get
29:36
Speaker 1: to the NBA so she can feel problem. And so yeah,
29:41
Speaker 1: it was. You know, it's definitely a lot of pressure,
29:43
Speaker 1: I think. And you know for any any any kid
29:46
Speaker 1: that's born into the game, born into the game, right,
29:50
Speaker 1: it's gonna be pressure for sure. At some point though
29:53
Speaker 1: they make a decision to you know, to lead a
29:55
Speaker 1: life for themselves. But for me, the game of basketball,
30:03
Speaker 1: it was just like having a right or left hand.
30:05
Speaker 1: It was yeah, cause the ball was always there, you
30:07
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and yea, and part of what
30:08
Speaker 1: I did so well, it was like I was a facilitator.
30:10
Speaker 1: I was a playmaker. I could dribble, ye, So you
30:12
Speaker 1: know I'm walking around my school dribbling the ball like
30:16
Speaker 1: teachers gotta take the ball for me. I'm like, I
30:18
Speaker 1: don't have the ball. I'm still acting, I'm you know,
30:21
Speaker 1: so this is just like, yeah, you know, it's how
30:24
Speaker 1: it was growing up. I remember at the Laker games.
30:27
Speaker 1: You know, I'm six seven years old. Remember a little Jeff,
30:30
Speaker 1: Yeah Osborne, Me and him, we used to wait for
30:33
Speaker 1: my dad and Big Jeff to come up from the
30:37
Speaker 1: locker rooms. And you know, like when the family stays
30:41
Speaker 1: after everybody else leaves the arenas. Yeah, so I remember
30:46
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, he'd come up from the locker room,
30:49
Speaker 1: greet everybody, you know, it's time to go outside, walk
30:52
Speaker 1: to the cars, and everybody to depart, but me and
30:53
Speaker 1: little Jeffrey. We had this theme where my dad's shoulders,
30:58
Speaker 1: each shoulder could have been the rim, and we would
31:01
Speaker 1: just like play basketball and like, so my dad is
31:04
Speaker 1: like walking out the arena and we're just like and
31:07
Speaker 1: like just like jumping on my dad's shoulders and then
31:10
Speaker 1: acting like we're dunking the ball and stuff.
31:12
Speaker 8: So it's just like.
31:14
Speaker 1: But yeah, but like that's what I'm saying, Like I
31:16
Speaker 1: just played because I like to play, you know what
31:19
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And basketball was just always like front and center.
31:22
Speaker 1: So I see like the showdown area too, So I'm like,
31:26
Speaker 1: this is this is where the game could bring me.
31:28
Speaker 1: Let me just you know, continue doing what I guess
31:31
Speaker 1: I'm here to do.
31:33
Speaker 6: So how did you cope with the pressure, especially with
31:36
Speaker 6: you Again, it.
31:37
Speaker 1: Wasn't until I got older. Yeah, it wasn't until like
31:40
Speaker 1: college and that whole thing. So and I bring up
31:42
Speaker 1: I bring up so yeah, so the whole college thing,
31:46
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I got to college's two thousand and
31:48
Speaker 1: nine and Twitter became a theme exactly. So going from
31:54
Speaker 1: being able to just be a person and live your
31:58
Speaker 1: life and make mistakes or have an opinion without having
32:03
Speaker 1: to be inundated by anybody else's opinion. Right, it wasn't
32:07
Speaker 1: there yet, but then you know, let you you know,
32:11
Speaker 1: or it wasn't until again, like I got onto the team,
32:14
Speaker 1: Twitter started becoming a thing. I was actually not even
32:19
Speaker 1: into social media, but at the time I kind of
32:22
Speaker 1: got involved with it because I was dealing with a situation,
32:27
Speaker 1: relationship and breakup, and I was I was trying to
32:32
Speaker 1: keep stay tapped in with what was going on via
32:35
Speaker 1: social media. And that's when I realized, oh, shoot, I
32:41
Speaker 1: can't have a bad game, because I have one bad game.
32:46
Speaker 1: On this new platform, I had hundreds, i mean like
32:50
Speaker 1: thousands of messages of all these people with you and
32:54
Speaker 1: seeing in their names, right, talking crazy to me crazy,
33:00
Speaker 1: and I didn't. I had never experienced this before, right,
33:02
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, I'm.
33:03
Speaker 4: Used to being more sheltered, probably not.
33:06
Speaker 1: Even sheltered, just I mean, like just the kind of
33:11
Speaker 1: stuff that y'all seated day.
33:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like.
33:15
Speaker 1: Sixteen seventeen years ago and I'm you know, I'm eighteen
33:17
Speaker 1: years old. They called me all kind of in word, right,
33:21
Speaker 1: they called me all kind of you know, fuck you,
33:24
Speaker 1: fuck your family, like you know, your dad sucks, your
33:26
Speaker 1: mom's I'm just like just But the thing that got
33:30
Speaker 1: to me was, okay, I get it. I'm like, all right,
33:36
Speaker 1: I'm on this platform, I'm on this pedestal, and this
33:39
Speaker 1: is kind of how they train you to look at it, right, Yeah.
33:43
Speaker 1: But then I started feeling like I should still be
33:49
Speaker 1: able to say something though, like, you know, try to
33:54
Speaker 1: be as amicable as I can, right, obviously not and
33:57
Speaker 1: I represent you know, the team everything, right, So this
34:04
Speaker 1: is when I started to in my mind, I'm like,
34:07
Speaker 1: as an athlete, I can't say anything though, right, I can't.
34:10
Speaker 1: I cannot talk as an athlete because I got too much.
34:14
Speaker 1: I got too much retave basically if you will, right,
34:16
Speaker 1: as an athlete, But as an artist, I might be
34:21
Speaker 1: able to say what I want.
34:22
Speaker 8: So that part, okay, go ahead.
34:26
Speaker 1: So I started to I started to write music, and
34:30
Speaker 1: I it wasn't even music at first. It was kind
34:32
Speaker 1: of just like spoken word, like poetry kind of you
34:35
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like more about really just kind of, uh,
34:40
Speaker 1: what is it like like a catharticist also like kind
34:43
Speaker 1: of just because I was I went through a pretty
34:46
Speaker 1: rough patch, right having like you know, going from McDonald's
34:50
Speaker 1: American plane, having a success that I was used to
34:53
Speaker 1: having to like, you know, I understand that, trust me,
34:57
Speaker 1: I get why am I playing? We got Time Lost
34:58
Speaker 1: and we got Wayne Ellington, we got Green, we got
35:00
Speaker 1: tie the Hands bro Like we were stacked, you know.
35:04
Speaker 1: So it wasn't so much that I wasn't playing. It
35:06
Speaker 1: was just like I think I was expecting to have
35:09
Speaker 1: a little bit more cushion to develop, but it just
35:12
Speaker 1: in my mind wasn't there. And so I started to
35:16
Speaker 1: isolate myself a little bit, not being around my family,
35:19
Speaker 1: not feeling like you know, I was like, you know again,
35:21
Speaker 1: as a point guard, I was taught to be the
35:23
Speaker 1: extension of the coach on the floor, have a certain
35:25
Speaker 1: relationship with the coach. Being in the coach at the time,
35:29
Speaker 1: you know, kind of started falling out a little bit
35:32
Speaker 1: and it impacted my mental health. And so I was
35:36
Speaker 1: just at a point where I'm like, yeah, I'm about
35:38
Speaker 1: to start writing music and see where this takes me.
35:41
Speaker 1: Because as an athlete, I can't say nothing and is depressing.
35:45
Speaker 1: But as an artist, I feel like I can, I
35:48
Speaker 1: can be a little bit more creative with you know,
35:51
Speaker 1: in my expression and how I release right.
35:53
Speaker 8: And so.
35:55
Speaker 1: I got into music and then me getting into music.
35:59
Speaker 1: I remember after it was after my after we won
36:02
Speaker 1: a national championship too, so so coming into college, I was,
36:05
Speaker 1: I was very I did everything by the book, didn't drink,
36:08
Speaker 1: didn't smoke, didn't you know, didn't party for real. I
36:12
Speaker 1: was kind of just you know, all my teammates right
36:17
Speaker 1: they saw this in me. They were like, yo, come out,
36:19
Speaker 1: come party, come kick it. Like I will try to
36:21
Speaker 1: push back, you know. I had a girl at the time.
36:23
Speaker 1: But then too, I'm like, all right, even if I
36:25
Speaker 1: go out, I'm still not you know, not turning up
36:27
Speaker 1: so to speak. But I made problemised with my teammates.
36:31
Speaker 1: They were like, what's gonna take for you to take
36:34
Speaker 1: a shot go up right in college to have a
36:39
Speaker 1: good time. I said, if we win a national championship,
36:43
Speaker 1: I'll celebrate. And we won it, so you celebrate it.
36:48
Speaker 1: I celebrate. I got back to campus and again it was, man,
36:57
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a very surreal feeling.
37:00
Speaker 1: Like again, winning the national championship at the highest level
37:04
Speaker 1: and knowing that I should feel a sense of like
37:07
Speaker 1: pride in this accomplishment, but I really didn't, and I
37:12
Speaker 1: felt bad about that.
37:14
Speaker 6: So what did you feel?
37:17
Speaker 1: I felt like I felt like I was happy for
37:22
Speaker 1: my teammates, but that was it.
37:26
Speaker 6: So it was a disassociation.
37:28
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like I was happy for my teammates,
37:31
Speaker 1: like knowing that my teammates put forth and was in
37:34
Speaker 1: there and even though I was part of that, because
37:37
Speaker 1: you didn't play or did well. No, no, you know
37:43
Speaker 1: it's crazy too, because so I ended up hernating, herniating
37:47
Speaker 1: my four wow during a practice at the sweet sixteen,
37:55
Speaker 1: and I was pretty much in excruciating for that time period.
38:03
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking too, like I've dealt with all
38:09
Speaker 1: kinds of injuries playing basketball, from spring ankles, dislocated fingers,
38:13
Speaker 1: you know, touring muscles, whatever. I've never felt like what
38:18
Speaker 1: I felt in my back at that moment. And I remember, uh,
38:23
Speaker 1: you know, trying to talk to the team like something
38:25
Speaker 1: going on during the tournament is not the time right
38:29
Speaker 1: to be trying to you know, go soft on your team,
38:34
Speaker 1: right broken, And so you know, instead of instead of
38:42
Speaker 1: me having anybody look at me for real. I was
38:44
Speaker 1: kind of just told, like, we'll shoot you up with
38:47
Speaker 1: some stuff, but you're gonna keep playing through it, you
38:49
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was like, actually, don't shoot
38:51
Speaker 1: me up. I'll just play through it, and I'll wait
38:53
Speaker 1: until after the season. I'll go get it checked out
38:55
Speaker 1: on mom. And I just ended up with happening and
38:58
Speaker 1: come to find out how to how to tear in
39:00
Speaker 1: my L four L five And it's actually it's what
39:04
Speaker 1: ended up taking me out of the game because I
39:06
Speaker 1: had I've been dealing with it, you know, my whole career.
39:10
Speaker 1: Never had surgery for it or anything like that. Just
39:14
Speaker 1: went the holistic you know, physical therapy, a lot of
39:17
Speaker 1: you know, strengthening, you know, different muscles and what have you.
39:22
Speaker 1: But it was definitely something I dealt with throughout my career.
39:26
Speaker 1: And so I think too that at the time again,
39:30
Speaker 1: like you know, you win a national championship, but then
39:33
Speaker 1: it's like, shoot, I got an L four L five injury.
39:35
Speaker 1: I didn't even know was an L for L five
39:37
Speaker 1: injury at the time. But I'm just in pain, that's
39:39
Speaker 1: all I know. Like I said, I didn't really feel
39:42
Speaker 1: like contributed much to the team, winning though I knew
39:46
Speaker 1: I was still a teammate, you know, and like I said,
39:49
Speaker 1: I was happy and proud of my teammates. Yeah, but
39:52
Speaker 1: then also too, it was just like everything I haven't
39:54
Speaker 1: taught about what it means to be a leader, to
39:56
Speaker 1: be a good teammate at that time from my pops,
40:00
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, like I felt like me sulking in
40:05
Speaker 1: that moment took me out of the good teammate kind
40:08
Speaker 1: of conversation. But it it's still like shit that I
40:10
Speaker 1: can't really control, right, Like I can just feel how
40:12
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, So I kind of I was
40:16
Speaker 1: just like, man, it is crazy. So seasons over with,
40:19
Speaker 1: we won a national championship. I go back to the
40:21
Speaker 1: campus and I'm just like, all right, I guess how
40:28
Speaker 1: to turn up.
40:28
Speaker 8: Yeah whatever.
40:30
Speaker 1: One of my teammates, though, he was like, hey, you
40:32
Speaker 1: should come through, come to the apartment. We're gonna we're
40:36
Speaker 1: gonna yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna. We're not gonna drink.
40:38
Speaker 1: We we're gonna do something else. And I was like, Okay,
40:43
Speaker 1: I don't wanna call him out. But two of my
40:44
Speaker 1: teammates in North Carolina, we get I get to his apartment,
40:48
Speaker 1: he's rolling some some flowers, some cambas. I was like,
40:54
Speaker 1: I was very nervous, but it's the first time I
40:59
Speaker 1: used cannabis, some weed, and I ended up but listening
41:02
Speaker 1: to Kushian Orange Juice, which is Whiskey Lefaus, you know,
41:05
Speaker 1: flagship mixtape, and I thought, at that moment in time, like,
41:11
Speaker 1: I feel great.
41:12
Speaker 6: Didn't help your back, I mean, you help.
41:14
Speaker 1: You, but I'm assuming it helped your mental state of
41:18
Speaker 1: help helped my back helped.
41:20
Speaker 4: He was like, you felt great, you felt grounded.
41:26
Speaker 1: Honestly, I was trying to like make sense of it,
41:29
Speaker 1: but for real, I was all I knew is like
41:33
Speaker 1: my dad. I'm thinking back to all the things he's
41:35
Speaker 1: ever told me about, you know, cannabis, and.
41:40
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I like.
41:46
Speaker 1: This feeling. It's all like I fe good. I like it,
41:49
Speaker 1: and it's like, hopefully this don't make me a dope head, right,
41:51
Speaker 1: But when I go home, like I'm in North Carolina
41:55
Speaker 1: smoking weed and I like it like this, I know
41:58
Speaker 1: California has better, So when I get home, let me
42:02
Speaker 1: see if I can get some better weed and see
42:04
Speaker 1: if that helps even more. And it did, and I
42:08
Speaker 1: started to use it recreationally, right, but more so from
42:13
Speaker 1: the purpose of like I legit feel good, like my
42:17
Speaker 1: body feels good, like I'm you know, I think people too.
42:21
Speaker 1: It's like it depends on you. Talk to me, but
42:24
Speaker 1: they'll tell you you can't really do much on cannibies.
42:26
Speaker 8: You can't.
42:27
Speaker 1: You can't work, you can't think. It makes you slow,
42:28
Speaker 1: it makes you lazy. I wasn't really getting that. It
42:32
Speaker 1: was like I was. I was in my head, but
42:34
Speaker 1: I didn't feel sluggish or lazier.
42:38
Speaker 4: And you felt productive in day to day activity.
42:42
Speaker 1: Wow, Like I made myself productive. Like that's what I'm saying.
42:46
Speaker 1: Like I knew I had to work out still, so
42:48
Speaker 1: I would go to the gym. I would go work out,
42:50
Speaker 1: you know what I mean every day, Right, I made
42:53
Speaker 1: it a point to stay in shape. But I also
42:54
Speaker 1: wasn't smoking as much. You see what I'm saying, Like
42:57
Speaker 1: it was like every day kind of once in a
42:58
Speaker 1: while kind of thing. I just knew I just crossed
43:02
Speaker 1: that line, you know what I'm saying. At least my
43:03
Speaker 1: dad knows now that is what I'm on talking about.
43:08
Speaker 1: What was it like with the pressure and the whole
43:09
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like my dad finds out
43:11
Speaker 1: I'm smoking, it's over.
43:15
Speaker 8: Yeah, changing in.
43:19
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just you know, I kind of kept
43:20
Speaker 1: it under raps for a little bit until it wasn't
43:22
Speaker 1: underraps some more. Uh he ended up actually finding out.
43:27
Speaker 1: Uh So, I read shirted one season at U c
43:29
Speaker 1: l A after I transferred from North Carolina, and I
43:32
Speaker 1: wasn't like smoking during the season or anything like that
43:35
Speaker 1: kind of you know, made it like my off season
43:37
Speaker 1: kind of a habit. But when I got home to
43:41
Speaker 1: to U c l A, I was red shirting, but
43:45
Speaker 1: would have been my senior year, so I wasn't playing.
43:47
Speaker 1: I was just practicing. I failed a drug test at
43:51
Speaker 1: U c l A and the staff ended up looping
43:56
Speaker 1: in my parents for a phone call and then calling
43:58
Speaker 1: me to tell me, yeah, we just got your results
44:01
Speaker 1: and didn't know you were this kind of kid. And
44:03
Speaker 1: my dad's on the phone, and my dad I.
44:06
Speaker 8: Just remember he was like, yeah, so.
44:11
Speaker 4: I can already imagine.
44:12
Speaker 1: He was like, he's like, so this is when you
44:15
Speaker 1: come back home and start doing I was like, no,
44:17
Speaker 1: I've been dad here and there, and he was like, yeah, no,
44:20
Speaker 1: this is just a surprise me. I didn't know. I
44:22
Speaker 1: was like, well, honestly, I'm glad you do you know
44:26
Speaker 1: like if something you know picked up, like.
44:29
Speaker 6: Did you tell him that, I mean, how it was
44:30
Speaker 6: making you feel and how it was helping.
44:32
Speaker 1: I didn't get into it too much. I just told him.
44:34
Speaker 1: I was like I'm in control. Yeah, you know what
44:36
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Now you got to worry about again, like
44:39
Speaker 1: whatever image that you had of me that I would
44:42
Speaker 1: never possibly even try something like this, right right, that's.
44:48
Speaker 6: To feel clean, to be able to be or tell
44:51
Speaker 6: him about yourself.
44:52
Speaker 8: Yeah.
44:52
Speaker 1: I mean again it's like fast forward what ten years
44:59
Speaker 1: and twenty years old almost years, like what you're doing cannabis?
45:03
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not per se doing anything in cannabis,
45:05
Speaker 1: like for work. My partner Stephane, she works directly with
45:09
Speaker 1: whiz Khalif people.
45:12
Speaker 6: So that tied back into your first moment.
45:19
Speaker 1: So full circle. But again, I just think it is
45:23
Speaker 1: as like an advocate of just all things well and
45:28
Speaker 1: in trying to help people, especially you know, athletes, right
45:33
Speaker 1: like yeah, I would never just talent athlete like, oh
45:36
Speaker 1: you having a hard time, you got a bad game.
45:37
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be brother, It's not my messages. What
45:40
Speaker 1: my message is to say, know yourself, know yourself. You
45:46
Speaker 1: are branding your commodity, right, and you got to think
45:49
Speaker 1: about that first and foremost. And you know, uh, if
45:54
Speaker 1: you are going to use right a little bit, don't
45:56
Speaker 1: let these people see you, right, be smart, be be
45:59
Speaker 1: respond But then too, it's like, you know, I think
46:08
Speaker 1: unless you just go up to an athlete and I
46:10
Speaker 1: have a conversation and just start picking their mind or
46:12
Speaker 1: they brain, most people just think like everything is all
46:14
Speaker 1: good all the time, you know what I mean. So
46:18
Speaker 1: while its in and of itself right, like the mental
46:21
Speaker 1: health aspect of it, like you can't really take care
46:25
Speaker 1: of your body until you are able to take care
46:27
Speaker 1: of your mind first. And cannabis helped me, you know,
46:34
Speaker 1: establish that I think perspective a little bit more foundationally
46:40
Speaker 1: just because I'm like, you know what, like cannabis helped
46:45
Speaker 1: me from an artistic standpoint, It helped me express myself.
46:48
Speaker 1: It helped me get into a better frame of mind,
46:51
Speaker 1: helped me, you know, with my artistry. It made me feel,
46:55
Speaker 1: you know, like I wasn't as tethered down like I could.
46:58
Speaker 1: I could reach out to more people, I can do more,
47:00
Speaker 1: I can make more connections, Okay, and you know to
47:04
Speaker 1: it like again, it's I think like the NBA now
47:11
Speaker 1: not even testing for cannabis. And and and you know,
47:16
Speaker 1: you look back like I wanna talk about like stories
47:18
Speaker 1: and what have you. I I know so many guys
47:20
Speaker 1: that ended up not even being able to get a education,
47:25
Speaker 1: right because of the right. Yeah, and and come come
47:28
Speaker 1: to find out that you know, it's all not that
47:31
Speaker 1: bad anyway, y right, So yeah, I'm just a steward
47:35
Speaker 1: of of my time and in in my place. And
47:38
Speaker 1: and again I'm just like, you know, these experiences that
47:41
Speaker 1: I'm having, let me at least be come somebody who
47:44
Speaker 1: can at least share these experiences with people who might
47:47
Speaker 1: be walking in or going into a space somewhere from
47:50
Speaker 1: from where I've been, because you know, game has changed
47:54
Speaker 1: a little bit, yeah, on and off the court. Yeah,
47:57
Speaker 1: but I think players just understand needing themselves a little
48:01
Speaker 1: bit more as as a as a as a valued commodity,
48:03
Speaker 1: as a brand, and then them taking care of themselves
48:05
Speaker 1: in that regard first and then everything else there. The
48:09
Speaker 1: team organization later is more so kind of the market
48:13
Speaker 1: space that we're stuck in.
48:14
Speaker 3: So is that you're so you are transitioning, and you
48:17
Speaker 3: are on this journey of self discovery after you rap basketball, Right, So,
48:22
Speaker 3: so you you finish up at UCLA, you play a
48:24
Speaker 3: little bit overseas, you play in the NBA, and so
48:28
Speaker 3: when you when you feel like your basketball career is
48:32
Speaker 3: slowly coming to an end, and so now you're in
48:34
Speaker 3: this transitional period of trying to figure out your purpose
48:37
Speaker 3: outside of basketball? Was is it? Is that?
48:39
Speaker 8: Why?
48:40
Speaker 1: Like wellness?
48:41
Speaker 3: And I guess like how did how did that merge
48:45
Speaker 3: from like you transitioning from basketball into what?
48:48
Speaker 1: So what I'm doing now? I just always well, I
48:51
Speaker 1: was a facilitator, So like I I broke, it's just
48:54
Speaker 1: records everywhere I went. Yeah, it's kind of like my thing.
48:56
Speaker 1: So when I was done basketball, I knew I didn't
48:59
Speaker 1: want to be a coach. I didn't want to do
49:01
Speaker 1: player development. I didn't want to stay within that sports world. Okay, Yeah,
49:06
Speaker 1: I kind of just wanted to branch off being an entrepreneur,
49:09
Speaker 1: do my own thing, figure it out. Knowing it financially
49:12
Speaker 1: probably wasn't the best move. Yeah, but I believed in
49:16
Speaker 1: myself and I believed in my environment, right, the people
49:18
Speaker 1: around me. Yeah, and so yeah, I I just said,
49:24
Speaker 1: do the same things you do on the court off
49:26
Speaker 1: the court. Put people in position to play to their
49:30
Speaker 1: strengths right, and in order to do that, it takes
49:32
Speaker 1: some time to learn people you know, to to curate
49:36
Speaker 1: your network, you know a little bit, understand who all
49:38
Speaker 1: you have surrounding you. And then once you have an understanding,
49:43
Speaker 1: I kind of break it down into two things, KYG,
49:46
Speaker 1: which is, know your game. Okay, Once you know what
49:49
Speaker 1: you do well, your strengths and your weaknesses, then you
49:52
Speaker 1: can only play to your strengths while trying to mitigate
49:54
Speaker 1: your weaknesses or work on them right when you have
49:56
Speaker 1: some time to KYG. And then KYP is know your
50:00
Speaker 1: pers So once you know your game, then you know
50:04
Speaker 1: your personnel's game and what they do well and what
50:07
Speaker 1: they don't do well, so that you can then play
50:10
Speaker 1: them to their strengths while trying to mitigate weaknesses. So
50:13
Speaker 1: then once everybody on the team knows what they do
50:16
Speaker 1: well and what everybody else does well, KYGKYP, hopefully y'all
50:21
Speaker 1: all care enough about the team and the squading everybody
50:23
Speaker 1: else to want to see each each other succeed that
50:26
Speaker 1: you again continue to just put people in position to
50:29
Speaker 1: do what they do well, okay, and then success happens.
50:34
Speaker 1: It's kind of my model. So it's like, how do
50:36
Speaker 1: I surround myself with people who I want to work
50:38
Speaker 1: with and I want to you know, in one way
50:41
Speaker 1: shape or another, you know, do business to stay connected
50:44
Speaker 1: with right now maybe maybe later. So that's kind of
50:48
Speaker 1: how after the game, like my mind just started working,
50:53
Speaker 1: was like, look at your network, look at who you
50:55
Speaker 1: have as a direct contact, and learn more about what
50:59
Speaker 1: they're doing. Once I just learned more about what everybody
51:03
Speaker 1: else around me was doing, I was like, how can
51:05
Speaker 1: I now be a service by plugging?
51:07
Speaker 4: So have you turned this concept into a business.
51:11
Speaker 1: Well yes, so we have Stephanie and I. We have
51:15
Speaker 1: like work through sixty, which is our creative marketing agency.
51:18
Speaker 8: So what does that do.
51:21
Speaker 1: To our tagline?
51:21
Speaker 8: We are.
51:24
Speaker 1: Architects of iconic culture and design, so basically help I
51:30
Speaker 1: D eight you know, everything from original concepts to you know, strategies,
51:36
Speaker 1: marketing campaigns. Basically we host events, we throw events, you know,
51:41
Speaker 1: experiential the three sixty at the end kind of just
51:46
Speaker 1: I wanted to incorporate like everything you know, you know,
51:52
Speaker 1: all things creative that somebody might need. Consorts or we
51:56
Speaker 1: like if I can't get it done and stephan can't
51:57
Speaker 1: get it done, don't you know, we can help find
51:59
Speaker 1: somebody to get it done for you and we can
52:02
Speaker 1: work from there.
52:02
Speaker 6: Okay, are you still involved in your music.
52:08
Speaker 1: As a as like a like a little hobby here
52:11
Speaker 1: and there. Nothing that I'm like pursuing heavily. But I
52:14
Speaker 1: do have some music out that I've put out a
52:16
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. You got to I think Apple
52:20
Speaker 1: Music or Spotify. You put in Larry light see one
52:24
Speaker 1: or two songs. But I kind of just wanted to
52:26
Speaker 1: like put that stuff out there, even you know, knowing
52:29
Speaker 1: that I was working on it, I was very passionate
52:32
Speaker 1: at one point, you.
52:32
Speaker 4: Know, oh we would be in the studio, you would take.
52:37
Speaker 1: The idea was to release like a whole project and
52:41
Speaker 1: really put myself out there and actually pursue the artist,
52:45
Speaker 1: you know, my artistry. But I made it. I made
52:47
Speaker 1: a decision again kind of just watching and learning more
52:51
Speaker 1: about the production aspect and being more behind the camera,
52:54
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I'm like, I think that's kind of
52:58
Speaker 1: more of my lane because I'm starting to really like,
53:00
Speaker 1: you gotta commit. You're gonna be an artist, you know,
53:02
Speaker 1: you really commit, and it's not gonna be easy, right, Like,
53:07
Speaker 1: and it's not that I'm afraid of hard work. It's
53:09
Speaker 1: just if I'm gonna work hard now, knowing what I know,
53:11
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna be behind the camera.
53:13
Speaker 6: Needs to be on something that you actually enjoy and
53:15
Speaker 6: want to do right.
53:18
Speaker 3: So we asked you to bring a legacy object, something
53:21
Speaker 3: that represents your legacy where you're trying to go, just
53:24
Speaker 3: how you're evolving. So we're gonna bring it out and
53:28
Speaker 3: have you explain what your object means to you.
53:33
Speaker 6: Evan, So you brought a children puzzle.
53:41
Speaker 1: It's a puzzle.
53:42
Speaker 4: Leg this one.
53:46
Speaker 1: Okay, My legacy object is a puzzle spelling out my
53:50
Speaker 1: daughter's name, and her name is Legacy. So I think, yeah,
53:55
Speaker 1: this just kind of speaks to again the legacy that
54:01
Speaker 1: I wanna leave behind is you know, I wanted to
54:04
Speaker 1: be felt through the people who have interacted with me,
54:07
Speaker 1: and in in who I've impacted ultimately, and and I
54:12
Speaker 1: look at my daughter now, you know, she's nineteen months
54:14
Speaker 1: old again, like we you know, we named your legacy.
54:20
Speaker 1: You know, I think just for this reason too, So
54:22
Speaker 1: Stephanie and not my partner. She's an amazing mother s
54:25
Speaker 1: does such an amazing job and making sure that the
54:29
Speaker 1: both of us are are are you know, more than
54:31
Speaker 1: taken care of?
54:34
Speaker 8: And so you know, in that.
54:35
Speaker 1: Spirit, in the spirit of you know how I was raised. Yeah,
54:40
Speaker 1: I really just wanna be the best father that I can.
54:43
Speaker 6: And I already know that you are lair.
54:45
Speaker 4: You really are a great person.
54:47
Speaker 3: And like I I brag on you a lot, cause
54:50
Speaker 3: there's not too many people in this industry who are
54:52
Speaker 3: just like genuinely good people.
54:54
Speaker 4: You really are an exceptional human being.
54:57
Speaker 1: And I pretty surely I am proud of you, and
54:58
Speaker 1: like thank you means why, but I really am proud
55:01
Speaker 1: of you.
55:02
Speaker 3: But I want to ask before we like close, what's
55:05
Speaker 3: one piece of advice you give specifically to men whose
55:09
Speaker 3: lives deviate from what they thought their dream.
55:12
Speaker 1: Was, You know, to men whose lives DV eight I
55:20
Speaker 1: would say, man, I would say, you know, if you dream,
55:28
Speaker 1: if dreams devia's, it means that you've you've, in some way,
55:32
Speaker 1: shape or form, have awakened you know what I'm saying,
55:35
Speaker 1: And you've started to recognize and realize that, like there's
55:38
Speaker 1: a difference between the things that you might want and
55:40
Speaker 1: the things that you might need to do. Yeah, And
55:44
Speaker 1: so identifying the difference between a dream and reality first
55:49
Speaker 1: and foremost the acceptance aspect. As we get older, I
55:53
Speaker 1: think those of us who are unable to accept have
55:58
Speaker 1: a harder time adjusting and adapting.
56:02
Speaker 8: And so.
56:05
Speaker 1: It's not to say that a dream can't be re
56:09
Speaker 1: manifested or brought to fruition in some way, shape or form.
56:13
Speaker 8: Down the line.
56:14
Speaker 1: Just didn't see it, just didn't make sense to you
56:16
Speaker 1: at that time. But if you are grounded in truth,
56:21
Speaker 1: if you're grounded in reality, if you're grounded in how
56:24
Speaker 1: you make the people around you feel, you know, I
56:30
Speaker 1: believe that the universe works itself out right, It'll you'll
56:35
Speaker 1: start to recognize like the signs here and every things
56:38
Speaker 1: that you you know, and if you listen, you'll know
56:40
Speaker 1: what to look for. And again it's like maybe you
56:43
Speaker 1: had a dream about doing you know A, and then
56:46
Speaker 1: come to find out here's B and B is actually
56:49
Speaker 1: a better dream for you than you to be. So
56:52
Speaker 1: that's the thing, man, you just never know what life,
56:54
Speaker 1: so you can't ever be too sure about it. You
56:56
Speaker 1: gotta just keep.
56:59
Speaker 8: A dream.
57:02
Speaker 10: That's great.
57:03
Speaker 5: If you could say anything to your dad, just looking
57:07
Speaker 5: back over your life and your career, what's one thing
57:10
Speaker 5: you would say to your dad?
57:11
Speaker 4: In one sentence.
57:14
Speaker 1: One thing I would say to my pops. One thing
57:27
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say, you know, I think
57:36
Speaker 1: I would just I would make I would acknowledge the sacrifice,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I think people think
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Speaker 1: it's just easy because it's like, oh, you play basketball,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're you get to go out to eat
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Speaker 1: dinner fancy restaurants and hang around like really rich and
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Speaker 1: like cool, you know, famous people. But it's a tool.
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Speaker 1: You know, it takes a gr it take. It takes
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of time and a lot of sacrifice,
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Speaker 1: yea to to to do what he's done, Yeah, in
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Speaker 1: that space for as long as he's done it for. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm always thinking about how I can tell
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Speaker 1: his story. And it's actually something that I've been working on.
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Speaker 1: So I got I got some you know, under mon
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Speaker 1: sleeves in that department too. But yeah, I was just
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Speaker 1: thinking for the you know, thank both my parents real
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Speaker 1: theay sacrifice. Uh, you know, he sacrificed in one way.
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Speaker 1: She didn't, you know, she definitely did it too, Uh
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Speaker 1: my mother in another way. But you know, I know,
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Speaker 1: I know my dad ultimately, like he I he his
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Speaker 1: whole thing was like, we don't gotta agree, we don't
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Speaker 1: always gotta be on the same page. But uh, everything
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Speaker 1: that I have is all of y'alls. Yeah, so y'all
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Speaker 1: are always gonna be okay. That's what it's been, you know,
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Speaker 1: Like I think too. You know, people look at that
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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, well, you know, y'all gotta work
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Speaker 1: hard because you got a dad that's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: willing to provide to do things. And I'm like, it's
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Speaker 1: actually obviously it's like I see that and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I gotta do that same thing for my family.
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Speaker 4: So m hm, Well, we have a surprise for you.
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Speaker 6: We didn't tell you because it's a surprise.
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Speaker 4: You guys, don't I'm really bad at She's very bad.
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Speaker 4: I'm the first person to show you this press play
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Speaker 4: and we'll listen to it together.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, mister Larry Drew too. What's up? Man? I just
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Speaker 10: want to let you know just how proud I am
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Speaker 10: of you.
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Speaker 1: Your your journey.
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Speaker 10: From since you were you know, just a little fella, and.
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Speaker 8: Where you.
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Speaker 10: Persevered through a lot of tough times.
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Speaker 7: I know they weren't easy, but yet you you persevered
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Speaker 7: through them, and and that says a lot about you
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Speaker 7: and about your character and and again I'm really really
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Speaker 7: proud how you how you took the bull bout of
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Speaker 7: horns and you didn't make any excuses.
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Speaker 10: You just did what you had to do. And that
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Speaker 10: says a lot about you.
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Speaker 7: And as I look at you now, you know, just
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Speaker 7: becoming a father and me becoming a grandfather. M and
1:00:50
Speaker 7: I sit back and I watch your interactions with your daughter.
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Speaker 7: It is such a beautiful, beautiful thing. Keep up a
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Speaker 7: good work, my man. Dad is always here for you.
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Speaker 1: I love you.
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Speaker 10: And again I am so proud of you.
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Speaker 1: Got me on that got me.
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Speaker 3: Wow, I love you.
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Speaker 6: That's amazing, amazing, Thank.
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Speaker 8: You, I really really, I really appreciate that. Well. It
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Speaker 8: means a lot to me.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, wouldn't be it wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be possible without.
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Speaker 8: All dang I.
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Speaker 4: Was she told me, she goes, Ryan, don't start, just.
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Speaker 1: Not do this all right?
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Speaker 8: Nah?
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Speaker 1: But that was that was that was really special. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate that. But I mean he knows, like he know,
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Speaker 1: he knows what that means to me and what he
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Speaker 1: meets me.
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Speaker 4: So thank you for joining.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, this was a beautiful part of You're part
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Speaker 5: of the big This is this is great.
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Speaker 8: Right now?
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Speaker 4: I know he went over.
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Speaker 3: I know they're looking at me like Mariah, we've done
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Speaker 3: that a minute. It's been two hours and some change.
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Speaker 1: Look two, we can run that guy. You know, want
1:02:39
Speaker 1: me to help, you know, bring any of you know,
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Speaker 1: like you know, absolutely any anything that you need to.
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Speaker 2: Know for sure.
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Speaker 3: And we're working on more events and so we will
1:02:50
Speaker 3: have more opportunities to come together.
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Speaker 4: And you know you're the first person I call when
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Speaker 4: I come here. So this was amazing. I want to
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Speaker 4: we can close out.
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Speaker 6: Okay, you're closing awesome.
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Speaker 4: Thank you guys for tuning in to today's episode of
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Speaker 4: Born to the Game.
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Speaker 3: I'm your host Ryan, I'm Tamara Peyton, and please like, follow, subscribe,
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Speaker 3: and we'll see you next time.
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Speaker 8: Please.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Lin