Latest / The MOOD Podcast / The One Skill That Actually Makes Photography Beautiful (It's Not Composition) - Moments of Mood, 3.6
Transcript
- 0:00Matt Jacob: If you want to make photographs that actually mean something, work that feels unmistakably yours, you've probably asked yourself the same question I have before.
- 0:11Matt Jacob: How do my pictures of beautiful things still feel empty while someone else can photograph a cardboard box in plain sunlight and it stops me cold?
- 0:22Matt Jacob: I want to show you what beauty in photography actually is, why it was never about what is in front of your lens, and the one skill to double down on now your attention so that your work starts carrying your voice instead of just your subjects.
- 0:38Matt Jacob: A few weeks ago, I sat down with Tim Carpenter on the podcast, and somewhere around the hour mark, I asked him what beauty in a photograph actually means to him.
- 0:57Tim: So the one I will go back to, and you know, it's in the it's in the first book, but it's gonna be in the second one too.
- 1:02Tim: I agree with Robert Adams said that you know, he pretty much equated beauty with form.
- 1:07Tim: Uh with what a lot of people call significant form.
- 1:10Tim: And I what I think is that, and this is gonna be all in the second book.
- 1:16Tim: I've been talking about you know, us creatures and what the what a phenomenologist would say, both the philosophers and the neuroscientists, by the way, would say that this this creature is in an almost constant state of imbalance, and it's always looking to make it to balance it to get a better grip on its inputs.
- 1:37Tim: You know, um we're we're we're in a constant state of frustration.
- 1:41Tim: And when when our disequilibrium becomes a little bit of equilibrium, the body relaxes for a moment.
- 1:49Tim: That's fleeting and it's furtive, but the body says, I gotta control on this, I got a hand on this, you know.
- 1:54Tim: Like also, this is why we like being in our homes and stuff, is because uh, you know, all of those uh inputs are calmed, you know, and that's why we can feel calm and that we can't out in the world because of all you know the the diversity and the the the speed of all the inputs.
- 2:11Tim: But but okay, so what I'm going towards is that like this creature needs form.
- 2:17Tim: It needs for for some things occasionally to make some sense and say, all right, I got a grip on this, things are good for the for my survival.
- 2:27Tim: What I really want to work on in this in this next book, and um I'll give it away now, uh, is that I think that form in any artwork is a model for that form that brings us a bit of equilibrium.
- 2:43Tim: And that's why I think we have a bodily response and a non-linguistic response to form.
- 2:48Tim: All right.
- 2:49Tim: That's that's how this all kind of comes back around together.
- 2:53Tim: Um you know, like we it uh uh when we see equilibrium in a in a picture, in a poem, in a painting.
- 3:00Tim: All right, I understand in that made thing what I'm always trying to do.
- 3:06Tim: And we would never articulate this, you know, like and here's the twister is that the photograph is the thing that's most attached, most tethered to the actual world.
- 3:16Tim: So it's I for me, I think it's the most it's it just does does that job the best because those are actual things, you know.
- 3:24Tim: Like uh even though we you know we can love a painting or love a poem, but we know that we're living in an imaginary world.
- 3:30Tim: And it with the photograph, it's different.
- 3:33Tim: You know, like it's it's we know we're we're familiar with we we live in that same world, and and somehow this person, she found a purchase on the world for a moment that makes sense to me.
- 3:46Tim: Um so that's where I really, you know, like I think that I think the form is and that's why it's be we call it beauty, because you know, like uh a beauty is a relief.
- 3:57Tim: Um, you know, it it's a wholeness, it's a completeness.
- 4:02Matt Jacob: His answer has been with me since, and I've been thinking about it because he didn't talk about light or subjects or style.
- 4:08Matt Jacob: He talked about chaos and about fear, about why a creature like us needs form the way it needs shelter.
- 4:15Matt Jacob: I have one of my own pictures with me here on the screen.
- 4:19Matt Jacob: Nobody would call this subject beautiful.
- 4:21Matt Jacob: No one would probably travel for it.
- 4:23Matt Jacob: And by the end of this episode, I want you to see why it might be the most honest kind of photograph I make, and why the beauty you have been going out to find has been weighty in how you look, not in what you actually look at.
- 4:39Matt Jacob: This is the Moo Podcast.
- 4:41Matt Jacob: I'm Matt Jacob, and this is the show that helps emerging photographers find their voice so that you can build a cohesive body of work, articulate what that work is about, and get it in front of the right people.
- 4:54Matt Jacob: It's the only photography podcast that is itself a practice because every week I sit down with a guest or break down a single idea in a commentary like this one called Moments of Mood.
- 5:06Matt Jacob: Either way, we slow down and turn one idea over in the hand until it shows us something about how we see and who we are becoming as artists.
- 5:17Matt Jacob: Now, two questions sit underneath everything today.
- 5:20Matt Jacob: The first, is beauty a property of things, something out there to be found, or is it something made by the quality of attention that you bring?
- 5:29Matt Jacob: And the second question, and the one that touches your voice directly, if beauty is made and not found, then what does your eye keep making without you necessarily asking it to?
- 5:40Matt Jacob: And what would happen if you started paying attention more to that?
- 5:45Matt Jacob: Before we go on, though, sit with me for half a minute.
- 5:48Matt Jacob: Lift your eyes from this screen and find the most ordinary thing near you right now.
- 5:53Matt Jacob: It could be a carp or a doorframe or the fold of a curtain.
- 5:57Matt Jacob: Now look at it the way you would look at something that actually mattered.
- 6:01Matt Jacob: Focus and give it the attention you would give a face that you love.
- 6:04Matt Jacob: And notice what happens.
- 6:06Matt Jacob: The thing hasn't changed, but something has started to gather around it.
- 6:10Matt Jacob: The kind of weight, kind of order and the details.
- 6:13Matt Jacob: And hold on to your attention right there because that small act is the entire subject of today, and we're going to come back to it.
- 6:22Matt Jacob: So let me take you back into that conversation I had with Tim, because as I said, I asked him what beauty means to him in a photograph.
- 6:31Matt Jacob: And when answering, uh, he referenced Robert Adams as expected, and his book, Beauty in Photography.
- 6:37Matt Jacob: His words on the show were that he agrees with Adams, who, as Tim put it, pretty much equated beauty with form, and that's pretty much what that book is about.
- 6:45Matt Jacob: What a lot of people call significant form, that is.
- 6:48Matt Jacob: Not beauty as prettiness, not beauty as subject matter, beauty as structure, as the way a picture holds together with all of its elements.
- 6:57Matt Jacob: And then he explained why that actually matters.
- 7:00Matt Jacob: He said that we're creatures in an almost constant state of imbalance, always trying to get a better grip on the flood of the world coming at us now more than ever.
- 7:11Matt Jacob: We live, in his words, in a constant state of frustration.
- 7:15Matt Jacob: And when, for a moment, that disequilibrium becomes a little bit of equilibrium, the body relaxes and the body says, I have a hold on this.
- 7:26Matt Jacob: And then he said that beauty is a relief, it is a wholeness, a completeness.
- 7:31Matt Jacob: And he quoted the poet Wallace Stevens, who called it a sudden rightness.
- 7:36Matt Jacob: But I don't know, that phrase only means something once you know what form actually is, right?
- 7:58Matt Jacob: And it is not what most people think, I don't think.
- 8:01Matt Jacob: When most photographers hear this word form, they might just think of composition rules or shapes or some art school abstraction or theory.
- 8:12Matt Jacob: Tim means something a little bit more radical, I think, and he was precise about this on the episode.
- 8:18Matt Jacob: Form, he said, is the structure of the picture.
- 8:22Matt Jacob: That form is how one places one body in relation to the world and the subject matter, of course.
- 8:29Matt Jacob: Are you getting in really tight?
- 8:31Matt Jacob: Or are you maintaining a distance?
- 8:33Matt Jacob: Are you leaving dead space in foregrounds like Tim said he used to do?
- 8:38Matt Jacob: It is the edges of the picture, the footing, where you have a purchase on the world.
- 8:43Matt Jacob: It is the aperture you chose, the focal length, the speed, the tones of the print, so much.
- 8:50Matt Jacob: And he calls these machine things, formal choices.
- 8:54Matt Jacob: Every one of them is part of form.
- 8:56Matt Jacob: Put it as plainly as I can: form is everything in the photograph except the subject, the position you stood in, or the angle you chose, or the distance you kept, the moment that you pressed, why that moment?
- 9:12Matt Jacob: All these decisions you made, and the decisions you did not know where they were coming from or why you were making them.
- 9:19Matt Jacob: Form is the photographer pressed invisibly into the frame.
- 9:23Matt Jacob: Now, Tim gave an example as well that I think kind of nails it.
- 9:27Matt Jacob: Photograph a national flag or a Christian cross or a handgun, even, and everything you would say about those pictures, the politics, the meanings, the associations, all of it lives in your mind, not in the picture.
- 9:41Matt Jacob: Concepts only live in brains, but the form, the distance, the light, the structure, the held order of the thing, that is absolutely in the picture as well.
- 9:51Matt Jacob: And then he explained why form is what actually moves us as human beings.
- 9:57Matt Jacob: For anything to really hit, he said, the form has to hit first.
- 10:01Matt Jacob: The beauty of the picture has to come to you first.
- 10:05Matt Jacob: And then only then can the message land.
- 10:08Matt Jacob: Going back to my ordinary picture that I have on the screen, with that definition in your ear now, the subject is nothing, but everything else in it, the distance, the weight, the way the frame holds, that's all me.
- 10:23Matt Jacob: That is the part that cannot at all be removed from the picture, because it is the picture.
- 10:30Matt Jacob: Now hold that against the way almost all of us were taught to think about beauty.
- 10:36Matt Jacob: Because the general consensus runs the other way entirely.
- 10:40Matt Jacob: Beauty, we are told and shown, is subject matter.
- 10:44Matt Jacob: It is the beautiful golden hour and the dramatic coastline.
- 10:47Matt Jacob: It is the photogenic face, the exotic location, the striking thing.
- 10:54Matt Jacob: The entire visual economy we scroll through every day is built on this.
- 10:59Matt Jacob: Find a more beautiful subject, and you will have a more beautiful photograph.
- 11:05Matt Jacob: So we save for the trip, we chase the light, we envy the photographers who live somewhere better.
- 11:13Matt Jacob: And our own street, our own minds, our own rooms, our own ordinary lives start to feel like a disqualification.
- 11:22Matt Jacob: Now, Tim made the same mistake as I have, as all of us have, and he admitted it on the show with a confession I loved him for.
- 11:30Matt Jacob: Early on, deep in his road trip period, he would come back from a shoot with hundred roles of film and find himself thinking, I hope that old motel sign worked out.
- 11:42Matt Jacob: I hope that interesting looking guy turned out as I pictured it.
- 11:47Matt Jacob: In his own words, I was so subject matter driven because I was thinking about those photographers that I loved in the wrong way.
- 11:56Matt Jacob: I was just looking at what they had photographed and not how they were structuring that whole thing.
- 12:02Matt Jacob: It took a project along a vanished rail line near his hometown in central Illinois, a place with nothing to find, no signs, no characters, just trees and water and roads to force him to stop hunting subjects and start making structure.
- 12:19Matt Jacob: The place gave him not that much, so everything in the pictures had to come from him.
- 12:24Matt Jacob: That is the turn.
- 12:26Matt Jacob: And most photographers never make it because the consensus keeps whispering.
- 12:31Matt Jacob: It keeps whispering that the problem is their subjects, when the invitation the whole time was just their attention.
- 12:40Matt Jacob: On the episode with Tim, I did read a few passages out loud from his book To Photograph is to learn how to die, where he quotes Robert Adams, asking the question directly: why is form beautiful?
- 12:51Matt Jacob: And Adams answers, because I think it helps us meet our worst fear, the suspicion that life may be chaos and that therefore our suffering is without meaning.
- 13:04Matt Jacob: Sit with how serious and deep that is.
- 13:07Matt Jacob: Adams is saying that when you stand in front of the mess of the world and find the one position from which it coheres, you are not decorating anything, right?
- 13:18Matt Jacob: You are answering in the only language the body fully trusts, the oldest fear we have, the fear that none of it hangs together.
- 13:28Matt Jacob: A beautiful photograph is just a small standing proof that the world can cohere.
- 13:34Matt Jacob: That for one moment from one position, held by one person paying attention, it did.
- 13:41Matt Jacob: Now, Adams went further, of course, and you can read his book, but he said that form in a picture is justified by experience of wholeness, coherence in life.
- 13:51Matt Jacob: And if art is to convincingly remind us of that experience, the shape in art has to be believably tentative, as fragile as meaning seems to be in life.
- 14:04Matt Jacob: Which is why the most moving photographs, I think, are never the airtight, over-perfected ones.
- 14:10Matt Jacob: They hold, but barely, like meaning does.
- 14:14Matt Jacob: One thing here in the middle of my rant, and then I will get it out of the way, but attention is a practice, and practices deepen fastest in company.
- 14:24Matt Jacob: I've built that company in the mood insiders.
- 14:27Matt Jacob: It's a room where the scoreboard is off, where nobody asks how a picture performed, and where in our critiques and our book club sessions, we look at work exactly the way Tim looks at it or Robert Adams looks at it, going into the edges, the depths, the form, the way a body met the world long before anyone reaches for what it is actually about.
- 14:50Matt Jacob: So if you want to train your attention among people doing the same slow introspective work, that room is there.
- 14:58Matt Jacob: Now, back to the conversation, because there is one more thing that Tim said that completes the definition of form and is the idea the whole episode was named for.
- 15:10Matt Jacob: He said that if he were six inches taller or six inches shorter, every single one of his pictures would be different.
- 15:18Matt Jacob: The camera is attached to our body, right?
- 15:21Matt Jacob: And the body cannot lie.
- 15:23Matt Jacob: If you're happy, your shoulders open.
- 15:26Matt Jacob: If things are not so great, you close in a little bit and you move differently.
- 15:30Matt Jacob: And the machine is responsive to every bit of that.
- 15:34Matt Jacob: You cannot fool yourself out of it, he said.
- 15:36Matt Jacob: So you cannot fool a dumb machine out of it either.
- 15:40Matt Jacob: Which means form is not only a set of choices you make.
- 15:46Matt Jacob: It's more a record of how you specifically meet the world, including the parts you have never consciously chosen.
- 15:55Matt Jacob: So when I look at this picture now, I can read myself in it, the distance I kept, where I placed my feet, my hands, what I could not help including.
- 16:06Matt Jacob: Tim said that when someone sits in front of him with 50 pictures, such as in a review, he's watching how another human being moves his or her body against the world, and that every person is, in his words, a fresh miracle.
- 16:20Matt Jacob: How lovely.
- 16:21Matt Jacob: And your contact sheet is that, your Lightroom catalogue is that.
- 16:25Matt Jacob: Not an attempt at beauty, but a record of a particular creature finding a particular order.
- 16:31Matt Jacob: But here's the catch.
- 16:33Matt Jacob: And it's the reason I keep returning to attention and mindfulness.
- 16:37Matt Jacob: The body writes your form, whether you are thinking or watching it or not.
- 16:42Matt Jacob: The question is whether you can read what it wrote for you.
- 16:46Matt Jacob: And that's a skill and a trainable one.
- 16:48Matt Jacob: And its name is awareness or mindfulness.
- 16:51Matt Jacob: Now, remember what happened in the still point at the start of this conversation.
- 16:57Matt Jacob: You gave an ordinary object the attention you would give a face that you love, and something gathered around it.
- 17:06Matt Jacob: Nothing in the object changed, of course.
- 17:08Matt Jacob: Your attention changed, and order started to begin.
- 17:12Matt Jacob: And that is the practice in miniature form.
- 17:15Matt Jacob: Mindfulness is not incense and silence, not for us.
- 17:19Matt Jacob: For a photographer, it is the capacity to notice, to notice what you are drawn to before you can justify it, to notice the distance your body wants to keep today and to wonder why, to investigate that, to be curious, to notice in Tim's phrasing what you have been making, because he says exactly this to his students that at some point you have to yank yourself out of the flow, put the screws to it, and ask, what have I been making here and why?
- 17:50Matt Jacob: And he told a story during our conversation about doing it to himself, editing his first book.
- 17:58Matt Jacob: He noticed an unusual amount of dead foreground space in his images, a gap between himself and everything else.
- 18:07Matt Jacob: And his next thought was what is that saying about me?
- 18:11Matt Jacob: Am I a distant person right now?
- 18:13Matt Jacob: And he said that actually that was the case.
- 18:16Matt Jacob: His form knew his inner life before he did.
- 18:19Matt Jacob: That is what awareness buys you.
- 18:22Matt Jacob: The body decides the photograph before you do.
- 18:26Matt Jacob: But attention is how you finally get to read the decision.
- 18:30Matt Jacob: And reading it is how a scattered set of pictures becomes a cohesive one and a voice that you can name.
- 18:37Matt Jacob: This is why I sit every morning before I touch a camera or a screen or do anything, not to necessarily relax, but to sharpen the one instrument every photograph I make is made with my mind and my attention.
- 18:51Matt Jacob: Okay, so let's bring all of this together and let's land it.
- 18:55Matt Jacob: Because the genuinely consoling part is if beauty is form and form is made by attention, then nothing in your life is beneath the camera.
- 19:04Matt Jacob: You do not need that trip you can't afford, or the location, or the spectacular face.
- 19:10Matt Jacob: Take Robert Adams, who made his life's work from suburbs and tracked houses that his contemporaries thought was beneath photographing.
- 19:20Matt Jacob: Now, Tim makes his from trees and roads in central Illinois.
- 19:25Matt Jacob: The whole argument of their work is that coherence can be made anywhere by anyone willing to attend.
- 19:33Matt Jacob: And every time you make it, you are doing the old serious human thing.
- 19:37Matt Jacob: You are answering chaos with a small held order.
- 19:42Matt Jacob: You are reminding yourself and anyone who later stands in front of the picture that the world can still come right suddenly, just for a moment, from where you stood.
- 19:54Matt Jacob: That is what beauty is for.
- 19:56Matt Jacob: That's what it is, and it always was.
- 19:59Matt Jacob: So let me gather this into a few things that you can carry out starting today.
- 20:04Matt Jacob: The first thing is to understand beauty is not found, it is made.
- 20:08Matt Jacob: It is form the held order of the picture, and the instrument that makes it is your attention.
- 20:14Matt Jacob: So start paying attention, be mindful, and most importantly, practice it.
- 20:19Matt Jacob: Number two, form answers fear.
- 20:22Matt Jacob: Every coherent frame is a small proof against the suspicion that life is chaos, and it moves us most when it is tentative, as fragile as meaning is in life.
- 20:34Matt Jacob: Number three, your form is your voice, often without you even knowing it.
- 20:40Matt Jacob: The mind, and by extension, your body, decides the photograph before you do, and the order your eye keeps making without being asked is the most honest signature you have.
- 20:52Matt Jacob: So stop trying to find it elsewhere and start noticing what it already does.
- 20:59Matt Jacob: So take your camera to the most ordinary place in your life, maybe.
- 21:04Matt Jacob: The street you no longer see, the room you stopped looking at years ago, the town you're too familiar with, and make one photograph in which the form holds, not a beautiful subject, a held frame.
- 21:15Matt Jacob: Then look at it and just ask one question.
- 21:18Matt Jacob: What kind of order did I just make?
- 21:21Matt Jacob: And what does it say about how I meet the world?
- 21:24Matt Jacob: I get that's two questions really.
- 21:26Matt Jacob: But do that honestly, even once, and you will have done two things at the same time.
- 21:31Matt Jacob: You would have made something beautiful out of nothing anyone else would have maybe overlooked, and you will have heard quietly, in the structure of your own picture, the sound of that voice of yours.
- 21:47Matt Jacob: So now you can see that maybe beauty was never out there in the subjects, but it was made by your attention.
- 21:54Matt Jacob: And your form is your voice just waiting to be read.
- 21:58Matt Jacob: But how do you actually develop that awareness, that self-knowledge that lets you read your voice and see your own patterns before they pass?
- 22:09Matt Jacob: Well, check out this next video where we dive into the hidden psychology behind your photography and talk about the benefits of mindfulness when it comes to practicing the craft of photography itself.
- 22:22Matt Jacob: I'll see you there.
- 22:23Matt Jacob: Happy shooting.