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Ep.82 | WTF is Happening? Using Astrology & The Houses to Navigate Life w/ Ash Burnside, Astrologer & Educator · Curiously Guided Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Curiously Guided Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: We're your hosts, Mariah and Jay.
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SPEAKER_02: Two online business strategists passionate about rewriting the rules to success within both life and business.
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SPEAKER_01: This podcast started because we both felt frustrated by the lack of deep, meaningful, and transparent conversations around what it takes to actually run a business that we both feel good about.
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SPEAKER_01: So we decided to create that for ourselves.
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SPEAKER_02: We want our solo episodes and guest interviews to be examples of how you two can chase your dreams and go down your own rabbit holes, ultimately leading to a more sustainable and fulfilling life.
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SPEAKER_01: We believe that curiosity is our superpower.
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SPEAKER_01: And trusting the nudge is a muscle that's meant to be strengthened.
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SPEAKER_02: Especially if we want to create a lifestyle that feels good from the inside out.
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SPEAKER_02: So are you ready to open your mind and let curiosity guide the way?
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SPEAKER_02: Let's take this journey together.
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SPEAKER_01: We're so glad you're here.
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SPEAKER_01: Now let's dive in.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, welcome, friends.
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SPEAKER_01: We are always so excited to share these episodes with you.
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SPEAKER_01: But today we have um a three-time returning guest, Ash Burnside.
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SPEAKER_01: Mariah and I often joke offline that um Ash is our resident astrologer.
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SPEAKER_01: She is um unbelievable, honestly, at the way she's able to take astrology and talk about it in a really grounded way.
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SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate, you know, Ash's background is kind of like she was in the military and she has this very just like grounded, solid presence about her.
1:43
SPEAKER_01: So I really like how she kind of takes these airy things and brings them down to earth.
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SPEAKER_01: This topic in particular, this episode is not a beginner's um episode for you guys.
1:53
SPEAKER_01: This is not astrology 101.
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SPEAKER_01: You guys will hear me actually kind of play the role of the dummy.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, to be frank, I love astrology.
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SPEAKER_01: I like talking about it.
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SPEAKER_01: It gives me a lot of useful things to reflect on.
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SPEAKER_01: But for some reason, a lot of these concepts really struggle to stick in my brain.
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SPEAKER_01: So today's episode, we're diving into the weeds, we're talking a lot about houses.
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SPEAKER_01: We go um a little bit uh of on some fun tangents that I'm excited to share with you guys.
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SPEAKER_01: But uh if you're into astrology and you've kind of heard people talk about what's going on with your houses or your Chiron, this episode's gonna be perfect for you.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I think my favorite part of it is like, like you were saying, just like how practical Ash makes it.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it's not one of those things where it's like learn this, and like, oh, that's like fun to know.
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SPEAKER_02: Like her whole thing is like really grounding it down and being like, now what the fuck does that actually mean for you?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, how do I use this for reflection?
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SPEAKER_02: What kind of questions do I ask myself?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, she does an amazing job here and not at not only answering all of our questions and coming up with like examples on the spot, but like she's just really good at giving examples.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the examples land differently, where I feel like it just helps connect different dots.
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SPEAKER_02: So, like Shay said, this is not an astrology for beginners type episode.
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SPEAKER_02: You don't have to be like advanced in astrology, but kind of know maybe like what astrology is, maybe have some familiarity with like your sun sign, possibly like your top three.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but I would definitely recommend if you're not listening to this like while you're driving, then definitely try to have your birth chart up, either by clicking the link in the show notes below to like a generator, or you can download the free sanctuary app.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the app that I have.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a free app on my phone that literally whenever I listen to a podcast episode about astrology, or if I'm scrolling Instagram and I see like some tips or helpful information about astrology, I literally open up the Sanctuary app and I'm like, oh, where is this in my chart?
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SPEAKER_02: So that's what I do every time I listen to things like that.
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SPEAKER_02: So just know that that would be super, super helpful.
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SPEAKER_02: But let me just read Ash's bio and then we're gonna get into it.
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SPEAKER_02: So Ash Burnside is an astrologer and educator for woo curious individuals with a background in burnout coaching and resilience training.
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SPEAKER_02: She is on a mission to integrate practical, no nonsense astrology with modern self-growth techniques to help people like you know thyself, discover your gifts, and find your groove so you can go out into the world with confidence and a banger aura.
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SPEAKER_02: Fucking love it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's get into all right, y'all.
4:40
SPEAKER_02: Holy shit, this is such a cool thing to be happening.
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SPEAKER_02: So, like Ash is our first guest for season five, which is so fucking awesome because she was our first guest ever on the podcast, like our very first guest ever.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: And then we brought her back for season three, being our first guest of season three.
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SPEAKER_02: So I feel like just following the pattern that we didn't even know that we were creating, we've decided to have her also be our first guest of season five.
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SPEAKER_02: And she's basically just like, and we haven't even talked to her about this, but like our unofficial astrologer on the podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel like just the way that Ash, fuck, dude, the way that she explains astrology, it's just like it's so grounded and practical.
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SPEAKER_02: And like everything that she says, it's just like, oh yeah, that makes a lot more sense versus like me scrolling Instagram and seeing like random ass astrology knowledge on people's Instagram posts, which I mean like I love that as I'm relaxing.
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SPEAKER_02: But also, like, how the fuck do I put this in a way that like I can take action and can help me evolve and like personal development and help me understand myself and all of that?
5:49
SPEAKER_02: And so, all of that to be said, Ash, thanks so much for coming on the podcast.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: We are so excited to have this conversation with you.
5:57
SPEAKER_03: I am so freaking excited to be here.
6:00
SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for inviting me back.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, it's been a journey, and I'm always down to talk about talk about the SARS and how can we use them in practical ways.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think the main thing for this conversation, like for astrology, is going past the basics a little bit and kind of diving into the house system.
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SPEAKER_02: So we have talked about the house system like one-on-one directly with you, and like we've done some work with you, and you've kind of like pulled our natal chart and kind of broke down the house system and like how it pertains to us specifically.
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SPEAKER_02: But before we get into the nitty-gritty, can you just explain like the basics of like what the fuck is the house system in astrology?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, okay.
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SPEAKER_03: So I like to when we talk about the house system, it's almost like the houses are a framework for well-being.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, because there are 12 different houses, just like there's 12 different zodiac signs.
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SPEAKER_03: Every zodiac sign has a house that is associated with it, not that it always has to line up.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, but these houses are basically all representing a different bucket of life.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so there is a house of self.
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SPEAKER_03: So, like how you perceive yourself, your mindset.
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SPEAKER_03: There's a house of like family and home, a house of finance and security, a house of like your body and your routine.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's like 12 houses to represent all of these different buckets across your life, across your sense of self, um, and across just being and existing.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so at its core, like that's what the houses are.
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SPEAKER_03: Um and yeah, so kind of working through the different the 12 different ones of them, um, it really does give us a really holistic, high-level overview of what does well-being as defined by our spirit look like.
7:44
SPEAKER_03: That's what the houses really offer us.
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SPEAKER_01: I got it.
7:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so to be uh totally transparent, we thought of this episode because I'm a little bit of a dummy around the houses.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I have trouble really understanding.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like I hear people talking about the houses and what house you're in and all that stuff all the time, but I haven't really solidified it.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: So this Mariah just mentioned we went through this process with um Ashuk a few years ago, and she kind of broke down all 12 houses for us and then wrote like for me, first house is cancer.
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SPEAKER_01: So for and then like she went from there.
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SPEAKER_01: And so what she'll do is she'll take like what house you're in, and then like the theme of that house with cancer and kind of tell you what that means.
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SPEAKER_01: So, can you tell us a bit about like where does the cancer come into the houses?
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SPEAKER_01: Like that's the part of like connection I struggle with.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
8:38
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so when you pull your birth chart, your birth chart is basically a snapshot of the sky when you were born.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, and you when you're looking at like the actual chart, right?
8:49
SPEAKER_03: The one that looks crazy, it's got all the lines most people when they look at they're like, what the fuck is this?
8:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, so it's got a horizontal line that cuts through it.
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SPEAKER_03: That horizontal line is the horizon.
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SPEAKER_03: Like that's the horizon when you were born.
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SPEAKER_03: And so there is a constellation that's like ray on the horizon.
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SPEAKER_03: That's your rising sign.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, and so they say that your rising sign, because that was the constellation that was being birthed on the horizon as you were being literally birthed into the world, that is the one that colors your truest persona.
9:15
SPEAKER_03: And so we're just orienting ourselves on the chart right now.
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SPEAKER_03: So that's the rising sign.
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SPEAKER_03: Your rising sign is also usually your first house.
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SPEAKER_03: So that's what sets off the rest of this system.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so rising sign, first house, and then we just kind of go from there.
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SPEAKER_03: And when we're looking at the, I'm going this way, but I think it's gonna be backwards if we're doing the video.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, it's you go counterclockwise on this house.
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SPEAKER_03: So there's 12 different pieces of the pie.
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SPEAKER_03: And when we look at this pie, there are like, there's actually little numbers that'll tell you, like, oh, okay, so if you're a cancer rising, then it's gonna say on that little pie chart, number one.
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SPEAKER_03: And then we go to the second one, your Leo season is gonna say number two, because that's your second house.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, it'll do the same thing all the way around.
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SPEAKER_03: So the whole system is oriented based on your rising sign because it's based on you moving through the world as your truest persona.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let me give you a live example.
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SPEAKER_01: I think right now we're in second house.
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SPEAKER_01: For me, I'm in my second house, which is Leo.
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SPEAKER_01: What how would you take those two pieces of information and pull them together?
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, beautiful.
10:15
SPEAKER_03: I love this.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so the second house is the house of value, it's the house of worth.
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SPEAKER_03: And so we look at this for the tangible and also the intangible.
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SPEAKER_03: So it is a house of value as far as like like how are your finances doing?
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SPEAKER_03: How is your relationship to your body?
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SPEAKER_03: How's your relationship to your actual like physical environment?
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SPEAKER_03: Um, how are your actual values?
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SPEAKER_03: So this is bank values, this is business values.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, but then this is like also intrinsic.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, what is it that you value?
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SPEAKER_03: What is valuable to you?
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SPEAKER_03: So that's all of the themes that we find in the second house.
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SPEAKER_03: Leo, as its own archetype, that's what we're doing.
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SPEAKER_03: We're starting to marry these together.
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SPEAKER_03: Leo is a vivacious, fiery, like, let's just have some fun type of sign.
11:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, Leo is known as a sign of the inner child, actually.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, and this is where we find a lot of creativity, a lot of play, um, a lot of just like this this innocent sense of freedom.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, we're not striving for anything.
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SPEAKER_03: We're just, we're just being.
11:17
SPEAKER_03: We're just being um with a sense of flair because Leos have this like sense of flair.
11:21
SPEAKER_03: And so if I put these together and it's like, all right, well, the things that are valuable to you are your ability to be able to self-express and not have to edit yourself.
11:29
SPEAKER_03: The things that are worthy to you are things that give you that sense of innocent freedom, the things that put you back in this sense that like I don't have to control over because like think of a child's mindset.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, they're not thinking about all the bullshit of like trying to make life work, like they're just enjoying every day as it happens to them, and like that is what is valuable to you.
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SPEAKER_03: So the things that can support you living that and bringing that truth out of your second house, that is what is going to be um the most powerful for you during your second house.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
12:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's heard the conversation that me and Shay had yesterday.
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SPEAKER_02: Like this is it's just so on point.
12:10
SPEAKER_01: And the part I okay, so this is where I would have sounded so silly.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: Mariah right now is not in her second house.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: Where are you at, Mariah?
12:20
SPEAKER_02: I am Leo season is my ninth house.
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SPEAKER_01: So I can be in a different house than Mariah.
12:27
SPEAKER_01: That was something I didn't understand.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: I kind of thought we were all moving together, but now I get that that doesn't make sense.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you were to take Mariah, who's in Leo's season of ninth house, can you give us a quick like how we bring it together?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:38
SPEAKER_03: So the ninth house is um this is the house of spirituality, the house of philosophy, higher learning.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, and so again, Leo, this is where Leo comes to have fun.
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SPEAKER_03: Like your sense of adventure and your sense of self-expression comes in those areas.
12:56
SPEAKER_03: It comes where um you're gonna feel like you are exploring, you're gonna feel like you are expanding your horizons when you're doing those things, when you are immersing yourself in learning new philosophies and doing your spiritual practices or learning new ones, um, committing yourself to going down rabbit holes.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, all of those things are very ninth house coded.
13:16
SPEAKER_03: And so when we bring that into Wii O season, either this is going to be the literal period of time where you're digging through those and kind of recommitting to some things, um, auditing your own belief system.
13:26
SPEAKER_03: Like that's another thing that we do during the ninth house.
13:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, but those are all gonna feel like like you're expressing yourself, you're giving yourself this sense of freedom, this sense of play.
13:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, that's what's gonna be coming alive for you in the ninth house, Leo.
13:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um I feel like that is true, especially just like being able to sit with the rabbit holes that I'm going down lately and to figure out like which ones feel good for me.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: And it's super interesting because I feel like with like the spiritual community and like with all of that stuff, I remember like two or three years ago, it's like when I really was in this self-discovery period, really trying to figure out like who the fuck I am, what does spirituality mean to me and all of that?
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SPEAKER_02: I remember thinking, well, I have to be the same kind of flavor of spirituality forever.
14:18
SPEAKER_02: That's just who I am.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: If I pull tarot cards, I am a tarot card puller in which I do it every day.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: And if I don't pull tarot cards every day, then I am not spiritual.
14:27
SPEAKER_02: But I feel like this, the house system and like understanding exactly what you're saying, it's just a reflection of like, yeah, but like these are different buckets of life.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: Like I love that metaphor that you gave of like different buckets.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's like every year we have the opportunity to dump the water out of the bucket and be like, hey, how do we want to fill this bucket back up?
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SPEAKER_02: Do we want to fill it with this?
14:51
SPEAKER_02: Do we want to fill it with that?
14:52
SPEAKER_02: Is the water getting moldy?
14:53
SPEAKER_02: Is it getting gross?
14:54
SPEAKER_02: Or are flowers growing out of it?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, what is happening with this bucket in our life?
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SPEAKER_02: And I feel like it's such a really good reminder to be like, there are different seasons, but as humans, we think of just the four seasons.
15:07
SPEAKER_02: We think of fall, winter, summer, spring.
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SPEAKER_02: But like as a human, there are more, it's like, yeah, there are those four seasons because we're living on Earth, but also it's like we have our own 12 seasons individually in which are kind of like run or like shadowed upon the different zodiac signs, which like flavors these different seasons.
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SPEAKER_02: And I feel like just I know from my life that it's like I dip in and out of my spiritual practices, and it's just so interesting because like when I look at the house system, it can kind of correlate to like what is happening there.
15:46
SPEAKER_02: And so I just want to our listeners, you gave really good examples for us, but basically, is it true that like everybody that has Sag in the first house will have like the same system as me, like the same houses, the same zodiac signs in the same houses?
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Like, is that true?
16:07
SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay, that this is where we're gonna get like real nerdy because like yes and no.
16:13
SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
16:14
SPEAKER_03: There are different ways to pull a chart.
16:17
SPEAKER_03: There's like right, like a thousand different types of astrology that exists.
16:21
SPEAKER_03: Um, so but what we are talking about and what you see on TikTok and when you're scrolling, like that is Western tropical astrology.
16:28
SPEAKER_03: Um, most people don't know that's what it's called, but that's what it's called.
16:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, because there's there's uh Hindu astrology, there's Babylonian astrology, there's Greek, like all of the things.
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SPEAKER_03: Um Western tropical, and then the different ways that we pull it are basically like space map for like how exact they're going to be about like your time of birth and the exact angle uh that the constellations were at.
16:51
SPEAKER_03: So the way that most people read, and this is how I recommend new beginners to read, um, is using the whole sign system, whole sign house system.
16:59
SPEAKER_03: And that just means when you're looking at that pie chart, all of the seasons have an equal slice of the pie.
17:05
SPEAKER_03: It's easy, it's simple to look at, it's not easy to understand.
17:07
SPEAKER_03: So, in that, yes, we are both Sagittarius rising.
17:10
SPEAKER_03: So, like on the whole sign system, yeah, our houses are gonna look the same.
17:14
SPEAKER_03: However, there's another way that I really like to look.
17:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, and this is the called the placidist system.
17:20
SPEAKER_03: And the placidist system, I love it because it shows the imperfections of the chart.
17:25
SPEAKER_03: So because it is so exact because for the degree, we are born at different times, so we're gonna have different degrees.
17:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so because it shows those imperfections, I actually think it shows a lot more psychological depth.
17:37
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so it can reflect that in the seasons as well.
17:41
SPEAKER_03: Where a good example of this is I am a Sagittarius rising.
17:45
SPEAKER_03: However, in my Placidus chart, uh, that's not my first house.
17:50
SPEAKER_03: My first house is Capricorn, which speaks a lot more to like my internal battle of like feeling like I always want to be free and like being a very like unserious and philosophical person, but also like this tension of like feeling like I have to, like I have this responsibility and this obligation to myself, to other people that depend on me, to be really disciplined, to be really ambitious, even when like I actually kind of just want to be free.
18:13
SPEAKER_03: So it's like this tension that I can see in my chart now with the Placidus system.
18:17
SPEAKER_03: So, like based on that, my ninth house is um actually in Virgo.
18:22
SPEAKER_03: And so that's why like that's why it's yes and no.
18:25
SPEAKER_03: So, like, yes, if we're using whole sign houses, yes.
18:27
SPEAKER_03: If you have the same rising sign, everything else is gonna fall into place perfectly.
18:30
SPEAKER_03: If you're looking at Placidus, that's gonna be personal.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: I like, I like getting into the nerdy side of things.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: You know, before we hit record, you said that using the house system was one of your favorite ways to actually integrate astrology into everyday life.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: Brian, I really agree.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: This is I mentioned this before we hit record, but whenever I'm feeling like some kind of way, like I'm just like, oh, what's up with the stars right now?
18:58
SPEAKER_01: Things are crazy, what's going on?
19:00
SPEAKER_01: Raya will always encourage me to pull up this doc that you've made for us.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: So, what house are you in right now?
19:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, what should you be reflecting on in life?
19:06
SPEAKER_01: And so her and I have used it a ton as just like a guide of where to dive in, what where to reflect on right now in this season of life.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: And I find it so much more helpful than trying to read what we typically see about astrology, which is like those readings, you know, that this is that it's like a broad stroke across everybody.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: And I always think they're so general and they sound silly.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: So I have found this to be a lot more practical and personal.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: But do you mind sharing with us like why do you think it is so helpful for you and like how do you use it?
19:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
19:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, I I did say that before before we dived in.
19:43
SPEAKER_03: I was like, I to me, this is like one of the most meaningful systems that you could have for self-reflection because it is gonna be a personal thing.
19:51
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, yeah, everyone wants to be like Mercury's in the gator, and I'm like, yeah, but like maybe you're going through your eighth house, and like that's why things suck.
19:57
SPEAKER_03: Um so it's like, you know, it gives a lot more nuance.
20:00
SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, so it it really does come down to like because this is so personal, like you didn't ask me this, but I'm gonna tell you anyway.
20:08
SPEAKER_03: So like the reason why some of those things feel broad stroke um is because they are.
20:13
SPEAKER_03: So like the earth, all of us collectively, like we are collectively moving through signs together.
20:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, so like the collective is an Aries rising because that's that's the astrological new year, that's the first house of all of us humans.
20:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, so when you see those broad strokes, that's usually what they're doing of like, congratulations, we're in Leo season.
20:32
SPEAKER_03: Leo season is the fifth house, and like bring out your inner child, and like that's not gonna vibe for like you that's going in your second house, and you're like, that's not how I'm feeling right now, or like ninth house, and you're like, no, that's not what?
20:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's that's where I'm like, okay, yeah, like go look at see what house are you moving in, because that's gonna give you so much more intention and reflection about where you're being called and why you might feel this inner tension.
20:59
SPEAKER_03: Um, to me, like when things bubble up, they're bubbling up because they are ready for you to do something with, they're ready for you to process, they're ready for you to take action on.
21:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I feel like the house system really helps you narrow down like where, where are you feeling this tension?
21:15
SPEAKER_03: Where are you supposed to take action rather than being like, uh, maybe it's this, like, I don't know.
21:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, or you know, I think it's really easy to convince ourselves of decisions that we feel like we're supposed to be making or decisions that we're not ready to make, but they either feel good or like we just want to be done with it.
21:32
SPEAKER_03: And it's like the house system doesn't let you get away with that.
21:34
SPEAKER_03: The house system is very much like, no, this.
21:37
SPEAKER_03: You're focusing on this, this season.
21:40
SPEAKER_03: And if you're doing anything else, you're being not not real with yourself.
21:43
SPEAKER_03: You're almost lying to yourself.
21:45
SPEAKER_03: Like, this is what is being presented to you right now.
21:47
SPEAKER_03: This is what you're being tasked with.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's so fucking helpful.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: And I'm just looking at the doc that uh is like my chart and stuff.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you mentioned that Leo's.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Season, like it's like inner child stuff, right?
22:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, fucking hilarious.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so ninth house, Leo season.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: I also have my Chiron placement here.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: And so, um, can you just explain really quick before I give an example, like what is Chiron?
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like people might see that when they pull their chart.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: And also before you even do that, can you just can you just tell people where they can pull their chart?
22:24
SPEAKER_02: We probably should have mentioned that.
22:26
SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah, it is yes.
22:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, so my favorite places to pull uh your chart.
22:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, there's a website, but also my favorite app.
22:33
SPEAKER_03: The app is called Time Passages App, um, but their website is astrograph.com.
22:37
SPEAKER_03: That's my favorite one.
22:38
SPEAKER_03: That's what I use even like for my own client readings um and myself.
22:42
SPEAKER_03: Um I think the other one's called astro-charts.com.
22:47
SPEAKER_03: Um, that one's really simple, but it gives like a really beautiful, clean interface to look on.
22:52
SPEAKER_03: So that's those are the two that I recommend the most.
22:54
SPEAKER_03: Um so Chiron.
22:56
SPEAKER_03: Um Chiron, all of these things are rooted like they are symbols of stories.
23:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so Chiron comes from the Greek myth of the same name.
23:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, Chiron was a centaur uh that was this renowned healer.
23:12
SPEAKER_03: And so basically, to make a long story short, because it's like an epic tale, right?
23:16
SPEAKER_03: Um, is that uh Chiron was felled by an arrow.
23:20
SPEAKER_03: Um he was shot by one of his own kind on accident, like it went up into the air and then it came down and it shot him.
23:25
SPEAKER_03: Um but because he was immortal, he couldn't die.
23:27
SPEAKER_03: So he was just like in this like horrific agony for centuries because he was like just wounded this way and like seeking trying to seek out different methods for himself.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: Um eventually he goes to the underworld, heals himself, and then like gets to move on with his immortality.
23:45
SPEAKER_03: And so the lesson here is that uh Chiron is the area of your greatest wounding.
23:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, so it it hurts, it's a real tender spot.
23:56
SPEAKER_03: Um, the beauty of this though is that when you heal your greatest wound, that gets to become your greatest gift.
24:03
SPEAKER_03: Like the wound is where the light gets in, and that is what Chiron is about, and that's what our Chiron, our our things are about.
24:10
SPEAKER_03: So knowing the sign and then knowing the house that Chiron it is for you, that's gonna tell you a lot about the wound and your gift.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: I have chills and I'm vomiting on the inside.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, I didn't know that that was the story of where it came from.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: I knew that it was about healing and about like becoming your greatest power, but it's interesting because like me and Shay were just having a conversation yesterday that was literally directed, I feel mostly by me word vomiting about like how much inner child healing I feel like I'm doing.
24:38
SPEAKER_02: And then I'm also like kind of annoyed that I'm just like, bitch, I have talked to my inner child.
24:44
SPEAKER_02: We have had conversation, like I am healed there.
24:47
SPEAKER_02: She feels great.
24:48
SPEAKER_02: And then it's like a new season, or like coming back and dumping out the bucket, and it's like, well, the water is stale, and like you're ready for uprooting even deeper feelings.
24:58
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I feel like I have already sat with this.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: And then I sit with it again and I'm like, oh no, it's bubbling up.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: I didn't sit with it at this level yet.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: So I literally just put that together as I'm looking at my thing of like, oh, Leo season is essentially the season where it's like I'm maybe giving my inner child a little bit more attention.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: And so I've been exploring EMDR, which I hope that we have somebody on the podcast this season to come on and kind of talk about that because it's been absolutely amazing.
25:31
SPEAKER_02: But I feel like it's just really validating for me to be like, okay, I'm not going crazy.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm not gonna cry all of the time and every week.
25:40
SPEAKER_02: This is just a season because something is bubbling up.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like, what a gift that like astrology can give us when you look at it from like this way, and we'll just say like the whole house system, like what a gift that like during these certain times, I feel like that's when I keep referring back to my natal chart and like my houses and like where the astrology ship signs are in the houses and all of that, because it's like, oh, there is a bunch of shit bubbling up to the surface, like you said, but it's kind of like, what the fuck do I do about this?
26:11
SPEAKER_02: Because also in life, we're just inundated with like so much information, with so much astrology on Instagram and like so much happening that it is hard.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: And you do need to be intentional about like, what am I exploring myself?
26:25
SPEAKER_02: And like inner development, personal development is a journey with no destination, and that can be horrifying, and that can be like so freeing at the same time.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like astrology and the house systems just give you a way to like piece off the personal development, like take a little chunk and be like, hey, we're gonna really focus in on this, this season, or just like whatever this house stands for.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: And that has been like wildly beneficial for me.
26:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
26:58
SPEAKER_03: Uh I love everything that you just said.
27:00
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no, you're right though.
27:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, astrology really is a spiral.
27:05
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, yeah, you're gonna come around to this next year in the same season with the same themes, but it's gonna be deeper.
27:12
SPEAKER_03: So it's like like think of like a spiral staircase.
27:14
SPEAKER_03: You're gonna keep going around.
27:15
SPEAKER_03: Technically, you're going in a circle, but if you stop and you look, you're gonna see that you're at a totally different point.
27:19
SPEAKER_03: You're either up or you're down from where you started.
27:21
SPEAKER_03: And like that's that's the point here.
27:23
SPEAKER_03: It's deepening.
27:24
SPEAKER_03: Every year that you are aware and intentional about this, you are gonna get deeper and deeper and deeper and more aligned and more aligned and more aligned.
27:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then yeah, you're right.
27:32
SPEAKER_03: There is no, there's no destination.
27:35
SPEAKER_03: Astrology is meant to be something that allows us to live with intention and engage in the process of being alive.
27:43
SPEAKER_03: Uh, because there is no end.
27:44
SPEAKER_03: You're just you're just alive.
27:46
SPEAKER_03: You get to be here.
27:47
SPEAKER_03: Um, and astrology allows you to be present for that and be mindful of that via the house system.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's I keep having this thought, and I don't know how to say this in like a articulate way, Ash.
27:58
SPEAKER_01: You can help me.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: But I keep hearing people like, do you believe in astrology?
28:03
SPEAKER_01: No, like it that's so crazy.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Who believe do you believe in this?
28:07
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, it's not really something to believe in.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: It's a guide for self-exploration.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: And if you're a person that's interested in self-development, it it's it's reminded me a lot of like a wheel of life exercise that you do in like um life coaching or like a lot about archetypes, which Ash I know is like your jam.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: But like these are common themes that we as humans go through.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: And if you don't make the space to reflect and work on self-development, it doesn't happen, right?
28:38
SPEAKER_01: So I always do you get hit with that a lot of like I'm always just surprised that people are so upset by by astrology.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: Like they get all wound up.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you can't people leave in that silliness.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, what are you?
28:52
SPEAKER_01: Where does that?
28:52
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, what's your first remote on that?
28:54
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
28:55
SPEAKER_03: So I have I have a lot to say about this actually.
28:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yes, I get that a lot.
29:00
SPEAKER_03: Um, actually, I I I get that a lot from my own like family that I've had to like kind of shut down and been like, you know what?
29:05
SPEAKER_03: Like maybe you just can't handle it, and that's okay.
29:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, that's my own like snarky reply because that's who I am.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: Um I would literally be like, I'm sorry that you're not cool enough to jive with astrology.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: Like maybe try, maybe in your next life.
29:17
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, gotta go.
29:19
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
29:19
SPEAKER_03: So I love when people are like, you believe in that, like that's made up.
29:22
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, so are taxes and like our entire system of like existing in modern society, like all that shit's made up.
29:29
SPEAKER_03: So, like, who cares if I want to study something that makes me a better person and like helps me be present in everyday life?
29:37
SPEAKER_03: Like, if it's made up, that's fine with me, actually.
29:40
SPEAKER_03: That's totally fine because it has helped me beyond more than any of the other things.
29:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, so like that's the first thing that I have to say.
29:47
SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, it's made up.
29:49
SPEAKER_03: Everything's fucking made up.
29:50
SPEAKER_03: Language is made up.
29:51
SPEAKER_03: We right now are commuting in a language that we made up of just like sounds that we've decided have meaning.
29:58
SPEAKER_03: Like, that's also made up.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Fucking wild to think about.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: Literally, like the word street in another life might not be the word street.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: Like, we're just making shit up.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad that you brought that up.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
30:10
SPEAKER_03: So, like, that's my one thing.
30:11
SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know, I get like the absurdism, the absurd essentialism of like, it's all made up, it's all made up.
30:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, the other part of me that though is like there is a lot of compound energy that is in astrology.
30:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, so it first let me think.
30:27
SPEAKER_03: Um I believe astrology was first at least noted, like where we can see it via anthropology and archaeology.
30:36
SPEAKER_03: Anthropology was or astrology was first used in Babylon um in the year 3000 BC.
30:45
SPEAKER_03: So, like, this is old, real old.
30:48
SPEAKER_03: Um, and like it didn't just stop there, and we're like, wow, astrology.
30:52
SPEAKER_03: It was like, no, no, it just started there and then it spread.
30:56
SPEAKER_03: And then it went to, you know, it went to Greece, um, it went to more of the European parts, um, it went into Italy, and it's like, no, like it started and then it bloomed.
31:07
SPEAKER_03: And then so we have thousands and thousands and thousands of years of humans using this system and adding to it.
31:16
SPEAKER_03: Like, this is where I say that like astrology is a language, and languages are these living organic things because like English from 500 years ago we would not recognize because it has evolved with the people.
31:29
SPEAKER_03: We we every time we use it and we engage with it, it it changes because it changes with the people and with the times and the culture and the politics, and like astrology is no different.
31:38
SPEAKER_03: It is a language, yes, it's a language of symbols and archetypes.
31:41
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's just been snowballing, it keeps snowballing it, it keeps collecting these meanings and it it modernizes itself with the way that we use it and the way that we talk about it.
31:50
SPEAKER_03: And so it's like, I don't believe in astrology.
31:52
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, do you believe in gravity?
31:54
SPEAKER_03: Like, what what do you mean?
31:55
SPEAKER_03: It's like this, this is a this is a this is a real thing.
31:59
SPEAKER_03: Um, I really do believe that the more that we use things and the the larger amount of people that use things, like that is such a tangible energy.
32:07
SPEAKER_03: Like, so you have again this global thing that people have been using for thousands of years and engaging with it and adding into it.
32:15
SPEAKER_03: And so it's like, how could you say that that's not real?
32:19
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: I've been trying to the idea of connecting with ancestry has been becoming more and more important to me and like what ties us all together throughout time.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: And so, like having this perspective on it as like this is something that all humans have used to guide them for almost all of time is really powerful.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: You know, and clearly there's we know the hero's journey, right?
32:41
SPEAKER_01: There's commonalities about the human experience.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: So having like a tool to reflect that somebody in 3000 BC was also using a version of is really cool.
32:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:52
SPEAKER_04: Ooh, that gave me top.
32:53
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I was wondering, and you can tell me no, but I was wondering, can we go through the 12 houses and you like just basically explain what each house kind of stands for?
33:07
SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like we're like we're like telling everybody, like, oh my god, we love this.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: It's literally the best thing ever.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: And I can just like feel people being like, what about me, girl?
33:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, what about me?
33:20
SPEAKER_02: What the fuck does this house mean?
33:22
SPEAKER_02: So if you wouldn't mind kind of going through there, that would be really, really helpful.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was gonna say, if you're listening along, get out your notes.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: All we have here is like Mariah and I, if you want to create a version for yourself, Mariah and I have 12 boxes and it starts with your rising sign.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: I know that's not perfect, but in general.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: And so um, you can kind of, as Ash is explaining each one, like take notes about what it is and then think about how that sign that's in that house would relate.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: So you can make your own version of this, and this is awesome, Mariah.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for bringing it up.
33:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
33:53
SPEAKER_03: Please do this actually, because like this method of like self-reflecting and marinade, marinating to me is like this is how you learn astrology, like actually being in it and connecting it and making your own inferences.
34:04
SPEAKER_03: So, like, yes, please get out the notebook.
34:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, yeah.
34:08
SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna start in the first house.
34:10
SPEAKER_03: We'll just start at the top.
34:11
SPEAKER_03: Um, so the first house is the house of self.
34:14
SPEAKER_03: So this is our own self-perception, these are our mindsets.
34:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, these are it's a lot of like our identity.
34:22
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's our identity through how we take action, um, the things that we feel compelled to do.
34:27
SPEAKER_03: And so that's a lot of like what the first house entails.
34:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, I'll say as we go through this, this really is a journey.
34:35
SPEAKER_03: So you're gonna see that like every house plays off the house before it and then also adds to the house in front of it.
34:43
SPEAKER_03: And so while the first house is like the start, the first house is also a a culmination of the entire journey that happened before this because we just came from the 12th house, which was the very last one.
34:54
SPEAKER_03: And so it's like in the first house, we're we're reflecting of like what did we learn over that whole past cycle?
35:02
SPEAKER_03: What did we learn from the 12th house?
35:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, I'll tie this back when we get to the 12th house, but what did we learn from that?
35:07
SPEAKER_03: And how is that affecting how we think about ourselves and how we move through the world now?
35:13
SPEAKER_03: And so, like, those are some of like the things that you're gonna see bubble up, some of the things that I encourage you to think about in your first house season.
35:19
SPEAKER_03: Who are you and how does that person move through the world?
35:23
SPEAKER_03: That's first house.
35:25
SPEAKER_03: Good with first house.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay, first house is self-concept.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: Love that.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: What's second?
35:29
SPEAKER_03: Second.
35:30
SPEAKER_03: Second house is the house of value, the house of worth.
35:32
SPEAKER_03: So, what is valuable to you?
35:33
SPEAKER_03: What is worthy to you?
35:35
SPEAKER_03: Um, and this is where it gets to get like very different based on like what zodiac sign you have for this.
35:41
SPEAKER_03: Um, if you have the second house in a water sign, it's like what is emotionally valuable to you?
35:47
SPEAKER_03: Um, what intuitively feels valuable to you?
35:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, what type of dreams feel valuable to you?
35:53
SPEAKER_03: If you have it in a fire sign, this is where it's going to be like what like sparks your spirit because that is going to be valuable to you.
36:01
SPEAKER_03: Um, what uh expressions is valuable to you?
36:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, freedom is also like another like fire sign type of thing.
36:09
SPEAKER_03: Um, so those can be like things of value or worthiness.
36:12
SPEAKER_03: We find worthiness in those things.
36:14
SPEAKER_03: Um, earth signs is like super tangible.
36:16
SPEAKER_03: They are very straightforward, actually.
36:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, so like what actually has value to you?
36:21
SPEAKER_03: What actually like um contributes to your sense of security and feeling grounded?
36:26
SPEAKER_03: Um and then air science is going to be like what ideas are valuable?
36:32
SPEAKER_03: What thought processes, what philosophies, what schools of thought are going to be worthy of your time and intellect.
36:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so that's where we can kind of like dip it down into the buckets a little bit more.
36:43
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, that's that's a second house.
36:44
SPEAKER_03: What is valuable to you?
36:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, so summary of the second house is values.
36:48
SPEAKER_01: And I liked what you said.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm in I'm a Leo, so that's a fire sign, right?
36:52
SPEAKER_01: And so what sparks your spirit is absolutely at the front of my brain right now.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna shoot a podcast episode about it.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: So that's really, really cool.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: So we have self-conscious concept is one, values is two.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: And I like how you're breaking it, you don't always have to do that, but thinking about fire, air, ground that can kind of help you as you're sifting through these things.
37:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
37:15
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, as you're going through the sign for our listeners, um, look at the elements because like the elements are gonna give you a lot of this is like sentences, right?
37:23
SPEAKER_03: Like you're breaking down a sentence basically.
37:25
SPEAKER_03: You're breaking down the house symbolism, you're breaking down like the individual sign.
37:29
SPEAKER_03: So, like look at the the element of the sign.
37:31
SPEAKER_03: That'll give you a lot of insight.
37:33
SPEAKER_03: So, okay, um the third house, this is communication.
37:37
SPEAKER_03: Like, what is interesting?
37:39
SPEAKER_03: What is what is worth talking about?
37:41
SPEAKER_03: What's worth communicating about?
37:42
SPEAKER_03: Um, that's kind of the baseline of this.
37:45
SPEAKER_03: I like to go a little deeper.
37:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, to me, for the third house, this is really like, what is your message?
37:51
SPEAKER_03: Like if you had to boil it all down, like what is the thing that you feel is worthy talking about and that you'll never stop.
37:58
SPEAKER_03: So, like for business owners, you gotta know what's in your third house and like really leverage your third house and what is there for you.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: I have a question.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be a tangent.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: My south node is in my third house.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
38:12
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so the south node um is basically um there's some different different ways to look at this, but your north node is like your greatest purpose in life.
38:21
SPEAKER_03: You're not gonna achieve it like one time.
38:23
SPEAKER_03: This is truly like another process that's kind of embedded in astrology of like you're going through the process of doing this thing, the north node.
38:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so the south node is supposed to be these are gifts that you have that you came into this life with to help you achieve the north node.
38:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, so it is a gift.
38:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, the other thing that I'll say, um, and this just kind of depends on what your individual beliefs are.
38:46
SPEAKER_03: Uh but some people believe that the south node is your karma.
38:49
SPEAKER_03: Um, so it can be if it's in, you know, if it's a if it's a good alignment, if you're if that house and sign makes you feel good, then it's like, yeah, it was a good karma that you earned.
38:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, if it feels uncomfortable, then that might be of like, that was a bad karma you earned.
39:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, so take it or leave it.
39:04
SPEAKER_03: That's what some people believe, but that's a south node.
39:06
SPEAKER_03: So having your south node in the third house to me says that like you have a real gift for being able to speak on things um and articulate yourself in in intelligent ways that helps you to build bridges with people.
39:21
SPEAKER_03: Cool.
39:21
SPEAKER_03: I love that.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: That's why I love astrology because it's literally well, I love astrology and human design pretty pretty equally.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: But it's like it's just a reminder of just like how fucking cool I am uniquely.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: And like, yeah, I mean, like there's some shadows and shit, but like just hearing like, yeah, you're like a badass at communicating.
39:40
SPEAKER_02: Like Shay's like over here, just like, excuse me, I'm fantastic at literal.
39:45
SPEAKER_02: I couldn't be better at communication, literally.
39:50
SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about so I I feel like it's just very validating for either like your really, really great qualities or like fuck, dude, this is so hard.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: And then you look at like your houses and just like, you know, the planets and all the different stuff that we're talking about, and it's just so validating to be like, wow, this isn't just hard.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: This isn't like a personal attack on me.
40:15
SPEAKER_02: This is like possibly the lesson that I chose to go through when I got born into this life.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like it just switches it from like a shadow, deep, dark, intense type thing to a little bit more empowering of like, what a gift that I get to explore this.
40:34
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the third house is communication.
40:37
SPEAKER_02: What about the fourth house?
40:39
SPEAKER_03: Okay, the fourth house is the house of roots.
40:42
SPEAKER_03: This is your house of security.
40:43
SPEAKER_03: This is what grounds you.
40:45
SPEAKER_03: And so typically the fourth house is our family and like our actual physical home.
40:52
SPEAKER_03: Like, where is your sanctuary in the world?
40:54
SPEAKER_03: Um, family, depending on your own relationship with family.
40:58
SPEAKER_03: I feel like this gets to be very flexible.
41:00
SPEAKER_03: If you're someone that like does not either like your family is very toxic or you have a very rocky relationship with your family, family can also be found family.
41:08
SPEAKER_03: So, like this can be like your closest friends.
41:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, that is also family.
41:12
SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
41:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, this is also where it gets to be fun based on the different uh elements of the sign.
41:20
SPEAKER_03: So um, for example, a water sign in the fourth house, like that's gonna be like you feel a sense of grounding when you are like emotionally really close to the people that you trust and that you love the most.
41:34
SPEAKER_03: Like there's gotta be like a really deep emotional connection there, or like your home is a safe place for like no one's gonna tell you not to cry in your home.
41:40
SPEAKER_03: Um it's like it's an okay place for that.
41:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, air signs, similarly, where it's like home are the people that you can uh like verbally bat with.
41:52
SPEAKER_03: They are the people that are willing to like spar ideas with you, and that's safe.
41:56
SPEAKER_03: Like that's a that's a cool like family culture thing that is invited.
42:00
SPEAKER_03: Um with fire signs, it is going to be like you're allowed to be as loud and boisterous and as expressive with as much flair as you want, and that is not just tolerated, but it is cherished.
42:11
SPEAKER_03: Like that's a cherished part of who you are, and a home, your sense of roots like celebrates that about you.
42:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then same with an earth sign.
42:18
SPEAKER_03: Although the earth signs are always more straightforward.
42:21
SPEAKER_03: So again, like earth signs, like their house actually feels very cozy and homey.
42:25
SPEAKER_03: Their house is literally a safe place.
42:28
SPEAKER_03: Um, these are typically very grounded people, so like they need other grounded people to kind of hold space for them too.
42:35
SPEAKER_03: So those are kind of the different ways that fourth house might show up.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: That's really interesting.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: I have Pisces in the fourth house, which is a water sign.
42:44
SPEAKER_02: And like the fact that you said, like, nobody's gonna tell me that I can't cry in my home.
42:49
SPEAKER_02: I literally said those words to Andrew yesterday.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: And so it's like, I think that knowing your house system, and I know you guys are listening to this and you're just like, holy fuck, this is so much information to hold.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: That's why I suggest like downloading an app.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: We can give some other app suggestions in a little bit, download some resources.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: Like I have a document that I literally refer to all of the time because there is no way that I can hold this.
43:12
SPEAKER_02: But it's interesting to also know like your partner or like who you live with, like knowing where they are too.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: Because like now I'm interested to be like, okay, well, what does Andrew value at home?
43:25
SPEAKER_02: Because I don't think it's a water sign, because like emotions, like not where he feels the safest.
43:32
SPEAKER_02: But for me, that was actually part of my inner child healing, like Leo in the fucking sixth house was that like as a kid, it was not okay or safe to cry at home.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: And so it's like, I'm allowing myself to like do that now, but also there's the complexity and nuance of like being in a relationship where this is also his home.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't value that like I value that.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: And so it's just interesting to be like, and how do I want to respond to that?
43:58
SPEAKER_02: What does that mean for me?
43:59
SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
44:00
SPEAKER_02: For him, what conversations do we have to have?
44:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, I literally was like, Hey, when I cry, it does not mean the same thing.
44:06
SPEAKER_02: Like when you cry.
44:07
SPEAKER_02: Like when I cry, it is not like me being so distraught and upset that like I'm losing my marbles here.
44:15
SPEAKER_02: It is literally like me expressing something that I'm feeling, even frustration.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: When I get so frustrated, I just start crying.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: And so I feel like just knowing that and like you saying that is just like very validating because it's like that's something that like little me needed to hear.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: That's something that like teenage me needed to hear, young adult me, me now, all of that stuff.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: So like just more examples of like how beneficial this stuff is diving into.
44:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, hugely, hugely.
44:44
SPEAKER_03: As um I I also pull my partner's chart, but this is stuff that like I pull my kids' chart now too, to figure out like how do how are they gonna feel safe in our home?
44:54
SPEAKER_03: Because they're gonna have different fourth house placements too.
44:56
SPEAKER_03: So, like, how do I as a parent and a caregiver uh facilitate that within these walls?
45:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so many different, so many different things that I feel like you really have to like take a bite off of this and be like, hi, I'm looking at their chart with the intention to look at their fourth house.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: We cannot go into a rabbit hole of like, what's the rising?
45:17
SPEAKER_02: What's this?
45:17
SPEAKER_02: What's that?
45:18
SPEAKER_02: Like you will get probably very overwhelmed.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: And also if you're going to like be trying to figure out like your kids and your partners, like their fourth house, jot it down, put it in a Google Doc, put it in a notes app on your phone so you can refer back to it.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: I feel like that shit's very, very helpful.
45:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
45:35
SPEAKER_03: Go slow.
45:36
SPEAKER_03: Like this stuff doesn't disappear.
45:37
SPEAKER_03: Like you can divide off one chunk at a time, you know?
45:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, I think my thing before I keep going to the fifth house is like, I know this is a lot of information.
45:46
SPEAKER_03: So my the thing that I always recommend for people is like to start in the season that we're in right now.
45:50
SPEAKER_03: You don't have to start at the top.
45:51
SPEAKER_03: This whole episode, like listen to it, but like come back to it.
45:54
SPEAKER_03: It's meant to be a reference.
45:56
SPEAKER_03: So go to go to the season that you're in right now and just kind of like dissect from there.
46:00
SPEAKER_03: And then if you have things, you're like, oh my God, life bucket number six is popping up.
46:05
SPEAKER_03: What do I have there?
46:06
SPEAKER_03: Then you can get curious and go look and see, like, oh, what is there for me in my chart?
46:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, small bites, one at a time, be present for the season we're in.
46:17
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so um the fifth house is the house we kind of talked about this already.
46:22
SPEAKER_03: This is the house of the inner child, uh, the house of play, the house of self-expression.
46:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, this is also the house of hobbies and um passion.
46:33
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, which to me, like all of those things are related because our ability to like express, like most of that comes from our ability, our like our inner child, right?
46:41
SPEAKER_03: Like, think about who you were as a kid, um, whatever they liked to do, like normally, like that sense of just uninhibited freedom, uninhibited of just like I'm here and I'm loving this.
46:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, most of that was what we experienced as a child.
46:54
SPEAKER_03: Not for everybody.
46:55
SPEAKER_03: I don't want a blanket statement, but for most people.
46:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, so those are the things that are kind of kind of kind of come up in the fifth house.
47:02
SPEAKER_03: Um and this is where it's this is gonna depend, right?
47:06
SPEAKER_03: On like what are the placements that you have.
47:08
SPEAKER_03: I think the fifth house can be really, really nourishing.
47:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, or it can feel really triggering.
47:14
SPEAKER_03: And that kind of depends on what's in it and what preceded it.
47:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, because now you can kind of see we're starting to kind of get this journey that is happening.
47:22
SPEAKER_03: So we started the first house, house of self, and then we start wondering like, okay, well, this is who I am.
47:27
SPEAKER_03: What's valuable?
47:28
SPEAKER_03: What's valuable to me?
47:29
SPEAKER_03: How do I express value?
47:30
SPEAKER_03: Okay, how do I communicate that value and who I am in the world?
47:35
SPEAKER_03: Okay, if I'm out in the world, where do I refuel my tank?
47:38
SPEAKER_03: Where's the places that help me to ground myself if I'm doing all these things out into the world?
47:43
SPEAKER_03: And it's like, okay, now I'm grounded and I'm feeling good.
47:46
SPEAKER_03: I'm refueling my tank at home.
47:47
SPEAKER_03: How am I expressing that now?
47:49
SPEAKER_03: So it's like we keep vacillating between like outward expression, inward, outward expression inward.
47:54
SPEAKER_03: So it's like this fifth house is where we start to go outward again.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: Not necessarily that you have to like share your art with the world.
48:00
SPEAKER_03: Like that doesn't have to be what this is.
48:02
SPEAKER_03: You're allowed to do things for yourself.
48:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I encourage that.
48:06
SPEAKER_03: But this is just like we're coming back out of our shell.
48:08
SPEAKER_03: If the fourth house is like really getting introspective with the people that are the closest to us, then the fifth house is um not necessarily being extroverted, but coming out of your shell for the sake of yourself and expressing outwardly.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: I never connected the dots that these are all kind of building on each other and it's making it easier to remember.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: So I like how you connected that.
48:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
48:31
SPEAKER_03: Um from the fifth house, we move into the sixth house.
48:35
SPEAKER_03: Um, I love this one because there it's such a to me, it starts, you start to really see the shift.
48:41
SPEAKER_03: Um, so we go from like creativity and self-expression in the fifth house to like routines, uh, daily activities and wellness.
48:50
SPEAKER_03: So it's like a lot more structured.
48:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so that's the sixth house.
48:54
SPEAKER_03: So this is like, what are the things that you need to do every day in order to stay focused, in order to maintain your commitments, in order to like stay healthy and take care of what you need to take care of?
49:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, and this is again gonna differentiate between the different signs.
49:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, an earth sign, this is gonna be like, what do you need to do to take care of your body?
49:11
SPEAKER_03: Very physical.
49:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, whereas like an air sign in the sixth house is gonna be like, what are the what's your thought patterns like?
49:19
SPEAKER_03: Are you meditating on the daily?
49:21
SPEAKER_03: Are you like, what are you doing to take care of your mind on the daily?
49:25
SPEAKER_03: Um, water signs is going to be like, what are you doing to process out your emotions on the daily?
49:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then fire signs, like, what are you doing to keep your spark alive on the daily?
49:35
SPEAKER_03: Those are the questions that we're asking in the sixth house.
49:37
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I want to jump in here because I feel like I'm having about to connect some dots.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: This is personal, but maybe someone else will find it helpful.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: I have Sagittarius in my sixth house.
49:48
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's interesting.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: I don't know a ton, but if sixth house is all about routines, structure, do we associate Sagittarius with like the opposite of that?
49:59
SPEAKER_01: Can you kind of and honestly, I struggle with routines and structure.
50:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm doing the same thing over and over.
50:04
SPEAKER_01: So I'm kind of wondering like, how would you think about a Sagittarius in the Sixth House?
50:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, definitely with that, I can see there would be some.
50:14
SPEAKER_03: Um I think the big problem, I think it's easy to be like, oh, I have problems with routines because I'm a Sagittarius.
50:20
SPEAKER_03: And I don't want to, I don't want to do that because I think that that can become a really easy correction of being like, oh, I'm a Sagittarius, like I'm not supposed to, and like, no, to you, it's like novelty because the Sagittarius Sagittarius love that.
50:32
SPEAKER_03: Like, let me explore, let me always be expanding.
50:34
SPEAKER_03: And so, like, novelty is a thing.
50:35
SPEAKER_03: So, like, you can have routines, but they have to feel fresh.
50:39
SPEAKER_03: So, you might have to like constantly be sprinkling something new in there to like keep them fresh.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's always gonna come back down to that of like how validating is that for you right now?
50:49
SPEAKER_01: The most that's why I was sitting here and I was like, oh my god, I think that something about my life is about to make a lot more sense.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: But you gave me the advice.
50:57
SPEAKER_01: You said, like, with your routines, you need to spice it up.
51:01
SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna be the same thing.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: I have so beat myself up over and over about why can't I get up and meditate five minutes, do this, do all these things I'm supposed to do, but I cannot do the same thing every day.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: So, like you were like, how permission to give your routine a little bit of novelty, a little bit of flexibility.
51:19
SPEAKER_01: What new could you try?
51:21
SPEAKER_01: And that for me worked so much better of like, okay, I know in the morning I want to wake up and do a grounding and an energizing activity.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Today, what do those activities feel like?
51:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: And so giving myself that room to play with structure has been, I just had a lot of shame around that because it's not like what I see online.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that just does not work for me.
51:42
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that was a really cool one for me.
51:44
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yes, I love it.
51:46
SPEAKER_04: See, that's what I love.
51:48
SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
51:49
SPEAKER_03: Um okay, so that's where we have the sixth house.
51:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, the seventh house is where, so now we have this interesting thing.
51:57
SPEAKER_03: So the houses one through six are gonna be below the horizon on any of the birth charts, right?
52:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, and houses one through six are really self-focused, they're more egocentric.
52:07
SPEAKER_03: And I don't say that in a condescending or like mean way.
52:09
SPEAKER_03: I just mean that like you're literally thinking about the world after you think about you.
52:13
SPEAKER_03: You're thinking about it through the lens of you.
52:15
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, I feel this way, and therefore I connect in these ways.
52:19
SPEAKER_03: And now in the second half of the chart, we're doing the opposite.
52:22
SPEAKER_03: It's like, well, my exterior environment is doing this, and that's gonna make me feel or do this.
52:28
SPEAKER_03: Um, so we're starting to put the switch.
52:29
SPEAKER_03: And so that happens in the seventh house.
52:31
SPEAKER_03: The seventh house is about our intimate relationships and partnerships.
52:34
SPEAKER_03: This doesn't have to be romantic.
52:36
SPEAKER_03: This can be like soul friendships, this can be business partnerships.
52:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, anyone that is like really, really close to you, that's not necessarily family.
52:43
SPEAKER_03: So it's like fourth house family, seventh house, we're expanding the circle just a little tiny bit.
52:48
SPEAKER_03: Um, the seventh house is where we find like, yes, it's partnership, yes, it's intimacy.
52:53
SPEAKER_03: Again, it doesn't have to be romantic intimacy.
52:55
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's also like this is where we have the reflection because the first house and the seventh house are directly opposite each other on the chart.
53:03
SPEAKER_03: So the first house, it was like identity through action.
53:06
SPEAKER_03: And the seventh house is identity by who you associate with.
53:09
SPEAKER_03: So, like, who is reflecting back to you your own qualities, um, and vice versa.
53:15
SPEAKER_03: That's what we find in the seventh house.
53:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, and again, this is where it's gonna kind of deviate based on the different signs that you have.
53:21
SPEAKER_03: So you're gonna be looking at either like how people are thinking, the ideologies that people hold, if it's more air sign, um, how people express and model their behaviors and their emotions if it is a water sign, um, people's sense of passion and like self and how fiery they are in the world, like that's definitely gonna be the fire sign.
53:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then the earth signs are going to be a lot more of like, what are the the actual actions that you're taking, like being very grounded.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: This is so interesting because it's like all of like, I don't want to say all of the shitty sayings because they're not shitty, but like the cheesy sayings that we hear all of the time, like since the beginning of time, it's like you are who you surround yourself with.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, okay, grandma, like I roll, like whatever.
54:08
SPEAKER_02: But then it's like it's so cool that like we have a system that literally comes from math that like backs that up.
54:20
SPEAKER_02: Like it's so cool to think about and to be like, holy shit, as humans, we didn't just pull this out of nowhere.
54:28
SPEAKER_02: It's like we might have noticed it through psychology and just like noticing human behavior, but also the fact that like the stars and like mathematically it kind of backs it up.
54:37
SPEAKER_02: Like that's fucking cool.
54:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
54:40
SPEAKER_04: I love this.
54:41
SPEAKER_04: I I like literally could geek out the about this for the rest of my life because it's like, there's one for everything, there's one for everything.
54:48
SPEAKER_03: All the quips make sense.
54:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, yeah.
54:52
SPEAKER_03: So identity through who we associate with.
54:54
SPEAKER_03: Um the eighth house.
54:59
SPEAKER_03: Um, this is where I'll start to say that the eighth house, I don't like giving blanket statements, but I do feel like I need to give like heads ups.
55:05
SPEAKER_03: Um, and the eighth house, my eighth house heads up is that like the eighth house is usually uncomfortable for everybody.
55:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, it's not comfortable territory.
55:12
SPEAKER_03: And I will tell you why.
55:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, the eighth house is the house of invisible forces, it is the house of the subconscious realm.
55:19
SPEAKER_03: And so as you're moving through your year, right?
55:22
SPEAKER_03: So we start at the first house, we're going through all the things when shit bubbles up and you're like, no, not right now.
55:28
SPEAKER_03: I don't have time for this.
55:30
SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna process it.
55:31
SPEAKER_03: Guess what?
55:32
SPEAKER_03: That shit waits for you in your eighth house, and then it all bubbles like it bubbles up, it falls out of the closet, like there's no holding it back.
55:38
SPEAKER_03: It's coming for you.
55:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so that's that's gonna be the eighth house.
55:43
SPEAKER_03: And really, what the eighth house is asking you to do.
55:45
SPEAKER_03: Yes, it's asking you to like handle the shit that you refuse to handle before.
55:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, but ultimately the lesson that comes in the eighth house is like a lot of that stuff we put it to the side because it feels taboo or it feels wrong, like they're the shadows, right?
56:00
SPEAKER_03: And we push them to the side.
56:01
SPEAKER_03: And really, what the eighth house is asking us to do is like treat this as something sacred.
56:06
SPEAKER_03: Like your shadows are also a part of you, and they're also something sacred.
56:09
SPEAKER_03: They're not necessarily always bad.
56:11
SPEAKER_03: Like we can have, we can have gifts that we shove into our shadows too.
56:14
SPEAKER_03: And so it's like that's what the eighth house asks you to sit with is to sit with the things that feel scary and find how they are actually your allies.
56:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so Shay went on a personal tangent about her chart.
56:26
SPEAKER_02: So this is where I interject with mine.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: So you hear that of like the eighth house, it's tough, blah, blah, blah.
56:34
SPEAKER_02: What about if my son is in the eighth house?
56:37
SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's like I am transformation, essentially.
56:43
SPEAKER_02: Like it's like, oh, it's so deep in invisible forces.
56:47
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what if that's like one of the biggest parts of my chart?
56:51
SPEAKER_02: Like, how do I sit with that?
56:53
SPEAKER_02: And if you need to know, like my son is in cancer in the eighth house, if we need a little context.
56:58
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so the sun already, like, yes, you are walking transformation, but also um this stuff isn't necessarily hidden for you.
57:07
SPEAKER_03: Like, it's it's pretty, it's there.
57:09
SPEAKER_03: Um, the sun is an illuminating body.
57:12
SPEAKER_03: So if we just like take that, the sun literally lights our days, we're able to see.
57:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so if you take that illuminating body and you put it in the eighth house, and it's like you're shining the brightest floodlight in the darkest corners all the time.
57:26
SPEAKER_03: So it's like you're gonna see exactly when shit goes in that corner.
57:29
SPEAKER_03: Like, I got you, I got you, I can literally see you.
57:31
SPEAKER_03: And so it's like you're gonna feel that with your own stuff, but you're definitely gonna see that in other people's stuff too.
57:37
SPEAKER_03: So it's like it's really hard to hide shit from you because you're very intuitive about what is bubbling just beneath the surface for yourself and for other people.
57:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh validating.
57:47
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
57:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, true.
57:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that's very accurate.
57:52
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like it was horrifying and overwhelming when I was little because it's like I felt and I could see so deeply, and we don't have to get into my family history, but it was a fucking train wreck.
58:05
SPEAKER_02: And like it was very intense.
58:08
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like, and then it's like I see astrology online, and you know, people are like the eighth house, it's death, and it's like that means that you're gonna die.
58:17
SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, yeah, are we aren't we all gonna fucking die?
58:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know.
58:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna need something deeper than that.
58:22
SPEAKER_02: And so I don't know if anybody else is has their son in the eighth house or like a serious placement.
58:27
SPEAKER_02: What's been really helpful for me is kind of viewing it in terms of like death of past versions of you.
58:35
SPEAKER_02: Like I go through a quick transformation cycle where it's like who I was two weeks ago.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: It's just not who I am right now.
58:42
SPEAKER_02: And like I just transform very quickly.
58:45
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like the more that you become aware and accepting of that, the easier it is.
58:53
SPEAKER_02: And like just being like, oh, here we go.
58:55
SPEAKER_02: Shit's bubbling up.
58:56
SPEAKER_02: I can fucking see it here.
58:57
SPEAKER_02: Let's just take care of it.
58:58
SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of how I feel.
58:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, oh, I don't want this to sit and bother me anymore.
59:04
SPEAKER_02: So I'm just going to face it head on.
59:06
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like the more that like you use that to be empowering and to be like, what a gift that like I get to be able to see my shit, maybe even like 0.01% quicker, faster, or like more self-awareness than other people, it's a gift versus like I feel like how most people kind of view the eighth house.
59:26
SPEAKER_02: So if anybody's listening and like the eighth house feels intense, it is.
59:30
SPEAKER_02: And also like, but you were created to sit in it and to be with it, like regardless of where it is in your chart.
59:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
59:39
SPEAKER_03: That's that's a unique power that you were you were gifted with.
59:44
SPEAKER_03: Like you have the ability to steward the energy that's that sits there for you.
59:47
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, powerful, powerful.
59:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, I love we were able to talk about that because I do feel like there's a lot of like mystification about the eighth house, and like it is ultimately meant to serve you.
59:59
SPEAKER_03: So like I don't want to scare you, like use this knowledge.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, and the yes, people do say it's death, but they forget to finish the sentence where it's like death and rebirth.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_03: It's a house of reinvention.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_03: Um eighth house, yeah.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, so ninth house.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_03: Um, the ninth house is the house we talked about this a little bit, but the ninth house is the house of philosophy.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_03: Um, it is a house of travel and spirituality and higher learning.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_03: Um and so in this house, this is where really we're again like we're gonna resift through some beliefs.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_03: Um, and this doesn't have to necessarily be the beliefs about self, because that's gonna be the first house.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_03: This is more of like what what lenses are you moving through reality with?
1:00:41
SPEAKER_03: Um, because those are the things that start to shift or be influenced by what you have in the ninth house.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, so like religion belongs to this, faith belongs to this, um, again, like spiritual belongs to this.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_03: Um, any sort of like developmental journey is going to belong to the ninth house because it's journey of travel, again, that's that's ninth house stuff.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_03: Um the ninth house also is about teaching, though.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_03: Um and I I find this is how do I want to say this?
1:01:16
SPEAKER_03: So I feel like the ninth house is an extension of the third house, and this is how I'm gonna explain this.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_03: The third house we have our messaging and our communication, and it's like we are we're teaching, but we're also it's it's both.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_03: I'm like tripping over myself because I don't know how to describe this.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_03: Um in the third house, we are learning about ourselves, and then we are teaching the world about ourselves in that way.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_03: This is a good way to say it, yeah.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, we're teaching the world about who we are based on how we are communicating through it.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_03: In the ninth house, that kind of gets flipped.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_03: So, because of the influences of the ninth house, we're taking what we did in the third house and expanding it.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_03: So it's like now we're teaching from these other dimensions, we're teaching with our flavor of spirituality or our flavor of philosophy.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_03: Like you can never take off the lenses in which you look at the world through.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, Mariah, you have a unique way that you look through the world that is colored in ways that you are aware of and not aware of, and same with you, Shay, and same with me.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_03: And I cannot take that off.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_03: And so it gets further colored, like the way that I communicate based on the third house is gonna get further colored and influenced by the choices I make and the thoughts that I think in the ninth house.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so that's why I say like it's really important to review like what is circling in your brain, what's influencing your thoughts right now?
1:02:34
SPEAKER_03: Because that is 100% influencing the way that you move through the world.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, because we're in that that second half of the chart where it's like we're outwardly expressed now.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh I love this.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_01: And I just want to share something that you wrote in notes to me.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_01: My son is in the ninth house.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_01: So I'm Pisces in the ninth house.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_01: And I have always you wrote like you may feel drawn to Gnostic works, check mythology, check, find truth for yourself by steeping your idea, steeping yourself in these ideas, absolutely.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you say spirituality is something that is highly expansive for you and will be especially during this time.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_01: Mariah and I like we have a podcast about spirituality and business coming together.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_01: Like that idea of spirituality is something that is so important for me and something that I have related to differently throughout my life, but has always been there.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of cool to like notice where your sun is popping up.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_01: I liked what you guys said earlier.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_01: It just um that house in particular.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_01: Tell me a bit about like sun.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_01: Like it just kind of means like that's where a lot of the power is, or what does that mean?
1:03:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, illumination is what I like to say.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_03: Illumination.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_01: That's a good way to think about it.
1:03:41
SPEAKER_03: That's where the you're it's almost like a sense of radiance.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_03: Like you are really shining in that house.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_03: Like that's where you're gonna really feel this sense of radiance.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_01: That resonates for me a lot.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_01: Cool, awesome.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_03: Well, what's up with the 10th house?
1:03:53
SPEAKER_03: All right, 10th house.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_03: Um, all business owners should know what their 10th house placement is.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, 10th house is your public self.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_03: This is your house of vocation, your house of business success, your career house.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, this is also the house of like your leadership, your legacy.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, all of that stuff lives in the 10th house.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so when we look at that chart again, horizontal line, we have the ascendant that is on the one horizontal line.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_03: When you look at the other side of it, um, that's your descendant sign.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_03: The descendant is the seventh house.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_03: And that's what we talked about.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_03: Like, you are who you hang around.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_03: And so that's where we have that seventh house.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, at the bottom of the chart, we had it's called the Imumqueli, but that is the fourth house.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_03: That's the that's what's ground you.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_03: It's the very bottom of your chart.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_03: And so opposite that, at the very top, the most visible sign that was in the sky at the moment you were born, that is what is in your tenth house.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_03: Um, your tenth house is your also it's called like your um mid-heaven.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_03: Doesn't always line up.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_03: This is where like the placenta system might give you a little bit more insight.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, but so if yours doesn't, like mine doesn't.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_03: I technically in the whole house system I have my 10th house in Virgo, but I am a Webra mid-heaven.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_03: So if yours is like that, don't fret.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_03: You're not an anomaly.
1:05:04
SPEAKER_03: That's super, super, super normal.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yes, 10th house.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_03: So you're public persona.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_03: So you want to tap into whatever is whatever zodiac sign is in that house.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_03: You're gonna want to really tap into the different archetypes of that um to help you achieve basically what is in your 10th house.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_03: Your 10th house is people think that like you have to, this is what you're trying to achieve throughout your life, and like no, your 10th house is how people already see you.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_03: People already see you that way, and so why not be more intentional with capitalizing on that?
1:05:38
SPEAKER_03: So it's like incorporate your 10th house into your personal brand because again, people already see you like that.
1:05:43
SPEAKER_03: It's gonna feel a lot more authentic and connect with people and be magnetizing in that way.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_03: Um I do have something to add.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh, go ahead, it's to you.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_03: Um your 10th house is like your gift to everyone else.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_01: This for me was the biggest breakthrough of working with you.
1:06:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm I want to make sure I'm not butchering what you said, but you made a comment to me about like the 10th house is how the world sees me.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_01: And then is it my rising sign as how I see myself?
1:06:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_01: So you pointed out like my rising sign is cancer.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_01: And so how I see myself is very cancer.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_01: And you were saying, but Shay, the world sees you as an Aries.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_01: And that was such an explosion moment for me because I do people are always like, oh, you're such a go-getter.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_01: You're blah, blah, blah, fiery out there, passionate.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what?
1:06:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm a little crab.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you talking about?
1:06:38
SPEAKER_01: And so, like, if embracing that more of like, if this is how people already see me, it's not something I have to prove.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_01: I I like those qualities.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_01: I and then it's cool that people see that about me.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_01: So I can really like step into it and own it.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_01: It's not something I need to get to.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_01: It's already there.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_01: And it it made a lot of sense to me for like the feedback I get from people and and why that never really jived with like how I saw myself.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_01: So that awareness of the contrast there was just like, I think about it daily, like it was awesome.
1:07:09
SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, I love that.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_04: Oh, for the self-acceptance.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this for me I'm realizing is a big journey of validation, self-acceptance.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_01: Like, ah, this is why I feel like a square pig and a round hole sometimes.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that that's the power of this stuff for sure.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so Aries is public self.
1:07:27
SPEAKER_01: What's um the 11th house?
1:07:29
SPEAKER_03: Um 11th house.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_03: So the 11th house is the house of community and teamwork.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, and more than that, like that's like surface level, right?
1:07:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, the 11th house is the house of shared goals.
1:07:41
SPEAKER_03: And like that's what brings community and teamwork together.
1:07:43
SPEAKER_03: It's because we're all working towards something together.
1:07:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so the 11th house, that's where we really tap into that.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_03: And this is again, this is where you're gonna see it differently based on the element.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, shared goals for water science is gonna be a lot more emotionally based.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_03: They're probably gonna be a lot more like optimistic or ideal based as well.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, whereas a shared goal, 11th house in an air sign is going to be I wanna say philosophy, but I'm not necessarily sure if that's the right word I'm looking for, but kind of like the lenses, right?
1:08:16
SPEAKER_03: Like schools of thought, like that's what we're gonna find in the 11th house, like people that share that that sort of um affiliation.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_03: Um with the fire signs in that house, it's like what sparks your spirit together.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_03: You're all really passionate about the same thing, so like go in that direction together.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then earth signs, it's like, what are we building together?
1:08:37
SPEAKER_03: What's the vision of the thing that we are building together?
1:08:40
SPEAKER_03: And that can be like something physical, sure.
1:08:42
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it can also be like a literal sense of community.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_03: It can be like, where do uh a group of um earth sign 11th houses?
1:08:52
SPEAKER_03: It's like, where do you guys all see yourself in 10 years?
1:08:54
SPEAKER_03: And how are you all contributing that to that vision together?
1:08:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's where some of those things are gonna start to to come alive in the 11th house.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, but we can start to really see like we take it when we did the first through what the seventh house, right?
1:09:07
SPEAKER_03: Of like that journey.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_03: So taking it from the seventh house, it's like who we are, you are through your who you hang around.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_03: Then it's like, oh, now go think about it in the eighth house and like how are you transformed by that?
1:09:18
SPEAKER_03: We come out of the eighth house and really start to like expand because the eighth house is such a contraction, and we expand so much in the ninth house with what we believe, what are we filling our heads with, what are we filling our hearts and our spirits with?
1:09:28
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then we take that sense of passion out into our public self in the in the 10th house.
1:09:32
SPEAKER_03: So it's like we have this sense of radiance, this fresh radiance.
1:09:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then we're taking that into the 11th of like, all right, down to business.
1:09:39
SPEAKER_03: Like, what are we working on together?
1:09:41
SPEAKER_03: How are we bringing people together?
1:09:42
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then all of this affects how we go into the 12th house.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_03: And the 12th house is the house.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_03: This is the last one that I feel is a little uncomfortable, but it's gonna depend on who you are because some people I've met some people that are like, Oh, I love the 12th house.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, what?
1:09:56
SPEAKER_03: So good for you.
1:09:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, the 12th house is the house of the unconscious, the eighth house is the house of the subconscious, 12th house is unconscious.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_03: Um, and this is collective unconscious.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_03: So this is you finding tension and butting up against what you see, what the fuck is wrong with everybody else?
1:10:14
SPEAKER_03: So, like, what is the bullshit that you see pop up in society?
1:10:17
SPEAKER_03: We're like, how the fuck don't people see that this is a problem?
1:10:20
SPEAKER_03: Because this is a problem.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so there's a lot of grief that can come up in the 12th house because of that, because it's like, why am I the only one that sees this?
1:10:28
SPEAKER_03: Why am I the only one that is feeling that this is affecting us all in this way?
1:10:32
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so there's a lot of that.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_03: Um, so there's a lot of a sense of remembrance, a sense of like wanting to honor what feels like is missing for everybody else.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_03: So to me, like the 12th house gives you an immense sense of clarity.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_03: Clarity that again that comes with grief.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_03: It's not, it's not a simple clarity, it's not like a there's some clarity that finds you, and you're like, ah, finally, like that's what I've been fucking looking for.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_03: And that's not how the 12th house currently feels feels like.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_03: It feels very much like fuck.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_03: I figured it out, but nobody fucking else has, and that is frustrating.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_03: Um that's what we're gonna find in the 12th house.
1:11:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, in the same way that the eighth house was like, it's the things that are our shadows and our taboos, like that's also what we're meant to like restore to a sense of um restore to our sense of self, bring it back into something sacred.
1:11:21
SPEAKER_03: Um, the 12th house is the things that we have forgotten that are sacred.
1:11:25
SPEAKER_03: It's like we're supposed to bring those out.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_03: It's the 12th house is the stuff that everyone else is suppressing, and we are begging them like please stop suppressing that.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_03: Like, we actually need that as a fundamental part of all of us to relate to each other.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, so it's gonna look really, really different for everybody.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_03: Um but I will say that the um the oh my gosh, what am I trying to say?
1:11:46
SPEAKER_03: Um actually this was having to do with me, and I meant to talk about this earlier, but um the 12th house and the eighth house are ruled by Pluto, and Pluto is a generational sign.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, so like all boomers have their Pluto in Leo.
1:12:03
SPEAKER_03: So very dramatic, flamboyant, love things to work out for them, very like egocentric.
1:12:09
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then like most Gen Xers, not all of them, there's like a very subset of Gen Xers that have their Pluto in Virgo, um, but most of them have it in Libra, and then you have like the freaking 80s, like how crazy that was, and like Libra is like a very aesthetic sign, but they're also like a super social sign.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, was it like the birth of NTV that was in the 80s?
1:12:28
SPEAKER_03: And so it's like, yeah, like that's that's some Libra shit.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, but all millennials have Pluto in Scorpio, and Scorpio is so like flamboyantly aware of power dynamics and like hidden power, they're not hidden for us.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_03: Like, we're very aware of like that's not working for why are we doing that still?
1:12:49
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so this is stuff that's going to come up.
1:12:52
SPEAKER_03: Um I say this because I have my 12th house in Scorpio.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so every every November, of course it's November, like the most political time where I'm just like, what the fuck, guys?
1:13:04
SPEAKER_03: Like, what do you mean you don't see this?
1:13:06
SPEAKER_03: So um, yeah, 12th house.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_03: It's a deep dive.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_03: This is where we're gonna see our sense of clarity come through.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_03: Um and that's that's the 12 houses.
1:13:15
SPEAKER_03: Oh, and to put our little bow on to our first house, um, we take everything that we all that like from the 12th house, when we come back into the first house, that is what we have that's so fresh for us that we're reevaluating of like, all right, how does that affect how I see myself now?
1:13:29
SPEAKER_03: Because I have the sense of clarity, how does that affect how I move through the world?
1:13:35
SPEAKER_01: Nice bringing it all together.
1:13:37
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
1:13:38
SPEAKER_01: I I have my selfish question.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_01: My 12th house feels like a double whammy because it's Gemini and my Chiron is there as well.
1:13:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, so and that's kind of how you reacted when we went over it the first time, but I don't quite understand why.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_01: So Gemini is all about like communication and you brought it back to like inner dialogue.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_01: And I will say, like, and I've shared this on the podcast a million times, one of my greatest battles is self-talk and like that inner dialogue.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_01: And so you kind of brought that back of like just really reflecting, like Shay, be aware of like how what's going on in here, what station do you have on, and like how is that affecting your world?
1:14:17
SPEAKER_01: So um it is that like a tell me a bit about like what what that means actually.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so 12th house in Gemini with Kyron there as well.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_03: Um so to me, in your sense of clarity is going to come from the fact that um polarity and duality dynamics, I think this is gonna be something that you are super aware of.
1:14:39
SPEAKER_03: So, like someone might say this on the surface, but you can tell that like that's gonna have all these other ramifications.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_03: So clarity and duality, uh, polarity is or it's this or it's that.
1:14:50
SPEAKER_03: And this can be so subtle in language, but it is so divisive.
1:14:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, and that is something that you're gonna be like, whoa, why did you say it that way?
1:14:57
SPEAKER_03: That was kind of fucked up.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then duality, duality is and so it's like it can be this and it can be this.
1:15:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I almost see that like the Gemini within you is very aware of like other people's polarity and you so badly seeing the clarity and need for duality instead of polarity and how that comes into play.
1:15:17
SPEAKER_03: Like that's your sense of clarity that you get.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, so the chiron comes in here because it's like, I feel like you might have tried to communicate that before, or you might have tried to pull this out before of like, I see this, why aren't you seeing this?
1:15:29
SPEAKER_03: And it's like, you were shut the fuck down.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, no, either that's not what we talk about, that's not socially acceptable, I don't believe you.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_03: Um, all of those types of things would come up with a Chiron wound that's in that house.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, ooh.
1:15:42
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_01: Ryan, I just ranted about like leaving room for the gray yesterday for so long.
1:15:48
SPEAKER_01: And so that's really resonating with me.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_01: But I appreciate it.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for giving us the individualized attention.
1:15:53
SPEAKER_01: I know we just made you talk for so long, but that was really helpful.
1:15:57
SPEAKER_01: And I can even write this up, Mariah.
1:15:59
SPEAKER_01: But maybe in the show notes, we can just have like the little, you know, like collective subconscious shared goals, you know, next to everything.
1:16:06
SPEAKER_01: I I one thing I have thought about is cool with this now that I've known about it for a couple years, I've started to notice patterns.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_01: Like every August, actually, is really intense in my house.
1:16:18
SPEAKER_01: And I have gotten in a fight with my husband, and now I'm realizing what you guys were saying earlier, like, oh, I maybe need to go pull his houses and see what's going on at this time of year.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_01: But even my mom will say, like, oh, this time of year every year is like really crazy.
1:16:32
SPEAKER_01: And so it's kind of making me, as you go through it year after year, Mariah's good about this.
1:16:36
SPEAKER_01: I need to be better.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, take some notes, what's going on for you?
1:16:40
SPEAKER_01: And then you'll start to notice like these weird cycles of like, oh, this is popping up at the same time every single year.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_01: Like, what do I need to dive into here?
1:16:48
SPEAKER_01: And it's just an awesome tool, you know, for growth and guidance as you're kind of I don't know if this is just me, but I just have certain times of year that are like super intense.
1:16:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's the energy or what, and then I can it's changing constantly.
1:17:02
SPEAKER_01: So this is kind of like a good again, validation of like this is what natural cycles we've talked about, cycles and rhythms, like this is where that comes from, and this is how it might show up in your life.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_03: This is literally an individualized natural rhythm.
1:17:17
SPEAKER_03: So it's like once you tap into it and once you understand it, like it doesn't change, it's the same every single year.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_03: And like, yeah, every year you're gonna collect a different, uh, a deeper version of awareness around it.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, to just be conscious of, like, oh, okay, well, I'm headed into my eighth house.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_03: We are braced and ready.
1:17:35
SPEAKER_03: I know something's gonna come up and I'm ready for it now, rather than being like, oh my God, every summer just fucking sucks for me.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_03: And I don't know.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the world's against me.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_01: It's a clip of like, oh no, this is a really cool opportunity.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of like transformation that can happen right now versus like, oh, why is everything going wrong?
1:17:53
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, exactly.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_02: I also think it's a really good tool for like, because you know, I feel like a lot of our listeners, you wouldn't be attracted to this podcast unless you kind of enjoyed evolving in one way or another.
1:18:06
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like sometimes it's kind of like I was telling Shay this yesterday, it's kind of like, you know how like you have a job, like some people will have a job for a certain amount of time and then they feel like they're spinning their wheels and they're kind of stuck and they're like, I need to bring this job to the ground and I need to move on to something new.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_02: And it's kind of like we can get like that with personal development, where it's like things seem a little routine and then kind of bored, and it's like, well, let me see.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, I like using this where it's like maybe I have some space in my calendar and I'm like, I want to kind of learn more about myself, or it's just like I'm noticing these things pop up.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_02: And like you can use this as your guide, like we said before, of just like personal development and like which piece of the puzzle should you pick up and kind of inspect right now and like in an empowering way.
1:18:49
SPEAKER_02: Like looking at this stuff doesn't always have to come from like my life is shit, and like how can I blah blah blah.
1:18:55
SPEAKER_02: It's like we can look at it from like what a gift if we have space.
1:18:58
SPEAKER_02: And we are oh so curious and curiously guided to go ahead and to kind of like look at this stuff, and it just helps you put a lens on things, and I think that it's very, very valuable.
1:19:09
SPEAKER_02: And like, like we said a million trillion times, and we will say until we die that like me and Shay just truly love the way that you break things down, and like we can't thank you enough for coming on and for sharing your genius, and like you can just feel how much you give a shit about this, and like you can just tell that you were made to talk about this in a way that feels like doable and practical, and like what a joy for the rest of us that we get to benefit from it because like this is not my zone of genius, but like what a cool tool that I'm able to like reach in and kind of and use.
1:19:41
SPEAKER_02: And so I do you did mention the time passage app.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_02: So that's an app that people can download.
1:19:47
SPEAKER_02: The apps that I love, I love the pattern app.
1:19:49
SPEAKER_02: That's really, really helpful to be able to see like what's happening in my specific birth chart and like what I'm going through and what flavors I can kind of like chuck back in on in an app form.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_02: And then the other app that I love when I'm on the go and then like I see things maybe on social media or like I just need to be reminded of like what zodiac sign is ruling my house and my chart?
1:20:14
SPEAKER_02: I always refer back to the Sanctuary app because it's like you get to click on like the actual houses and stuff like that and just get like a little just enough to wet your whistle in terms of like, oh shit, like my 12th house is in Scorpio.
1:20:30
SPEAKER_02: And it just reminds you of that stuff.
1:20:32
SPEAKER_02: But aside from those apps, do you have resources or do you have anything for people that we can kind of send them in terms of like learning how you break things down?
1:20:41
SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_03: I have two off the top of my head.
1:20:44
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I have a new freebie that is out.
1:20:49
SPEAKER_03: Um that is I break down all of zodiac signs.
1:20:52
SPEAKER_03: So it's just like because the zodiac is literally like the ABCs of the astrology.
1:20:56
SPEAKER_03: So it's like we talked about the houses here, but if you don't have like a baseline knowledge of what the actual um individual signs are, it's kind of hard to interpret further than that.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_03: So um, yeah, I have a really simple guide that breaks them all down in like reference style sheet.
1:21:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, that's at ashburnside.com slash freebie.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then every week I write in my newsletter.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_03: My newsletter is called The Stir, and I just kind of humanize and try to bring astrology into practical, actionable, super relevant terms um to help you actually use it and um understand it for yourself.
1:21:31
SPEAKER_03: So um that's at ashburnside.com slash the stern.
1:21:34
SPEAKER_03: So those are two really easy resources.
1:21:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, your news.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_01: I cannot recommend the newsletter enough.
1:21:42
SPEAKER_01: Ryan and I are talking about it constantly.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_01: It's uh if you're annoyed by kind of like the broad sweeping advice, Ash has a really great, just of course, way to like ground it and make it uh I don't know.
1:21:54
SPEAKER_01: You had just have a really great spit on this stuff that I don't think is out there a lot.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_01: And um, the newsletter is a really great way to just like stay on top of things.
1:22:01
SPEAKER_01: So definitely encourage you guys to do that.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_01: I know we're running out of time here, but Ash, there's one question I've got to ask you before we let you go.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, you mentioned that your business has kind of pivoted a bit and you you are such a cool case study.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_01: Like we've had you on at different eras of your business in season one, in season three, and now.
1:22:19
SPEAKER_01: And you kind of mentioned that you are just fully stepping into astrology.
1:22:23
SPEAKER_01: Like that is the main focus of the business.
1:22:25
SPEAKER_01: And one thing you said before we hit record, I thought was interesting was you said, um, I finally started trusting my intuition and I finally decided it was okay for me to step into this.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_01: Can you tell us?
1:22:36
SPEAKER_01: I think that is something that a lot of us struggle with of like the business I want to run, like in my heart of hearts, doesn't logically make a ton of sense.
1:22:46
SPEAKER_01: Is that the journey that you've gone on here?
1:22:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, tell us a little bit more about that.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_03: Uh yes, yes, it is.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, I feel like my whole business journey has been so weird.
1:22:57
SPEAKER_03: Although, like, whose isn't?
1:22:58
SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know anyone that's like, it's been perfectly linear and exactly what I thought.
1:23:01
SPEAKER_03: Nobody's like that.
1:23:03
SPEAKER_03: Who is that?
1:23:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, I um, you guys, I mean, people can go watch the other episodes, right?
1:23:10
SPEAKER_03: Or listen to the other episodes if they want more of the backstory.
1:23:12
SPEAKER_03: But um, yeah, I started pivoting into more of the intuitive space and more like coaching.
1:23:17
SPEAKER_03: So I was like, well, I can talk at least I can talk about what I want to talk about.
1:23:21
SPEAKER_03: I can talk about like woo-y stuff.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_03: Um, someone called my approach to how I talk about things practical woo, and I was like, that's genius.
1:23:28
SPEAKER_03: I'm taking that.
1:23:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, so practical woo.
1:23:31
SPEAKER_03: I was like, I can talk about that stuff and I can coach on it.
1:23:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, but like coaching was like my validator, where I'm like, well, that is what makes a valid business.
1:23:39
SPEAKER_03: Cause then I can, you know, I can charge clients for these types of things and you know, I can make my and it was like still, I was I was always trying to, I feel like I was always just trying to legitimize myself instead of just realizing that like I already am, like I don't actually have to prove myself.
1:23:56
SPEAKER_03: Um, and this is where some of my own Chiron wound is coming in, where it's like, you know, what I want is not enough, or like I always have to overexplain myself.
1:24:04
SPEAKER_03: And it's like I found myself doing that with business all the time.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, and like it just got to the point where I was like, I just for like shits and giggles one night, I was like, okay, I'm just if I just took everything off because I was just trying so hard to make it work.
1:24:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, and it's not that things weren't working, it's just like I wasn't happy, I didn't like it.
1:24:21
SPEAKER_03: And it's like you can only sustain something that you like kind of tolerate for so long before you're like, I'm gonna burn this shit to the ground.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_03: And like that's how I felt where I'm like, I love the people I work with, I love what I get to talk about.
1:24:31
SPEAKER_03: I fucking hate the structure of my business.
1:24:33
SPEAKER_03: Why do I hate the structure of my business?
1:24:35
SPEAKER_03: And it's like when I could really just get quiet and ask myself, like, if I could do anything that I want, like that's a question that people ask you, right?
1:24:41
SPEAKER_03: Like, if you could do anything you wanted and nothing was an issue, what would you do?
1:24:45
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, fuck it, I would do astrology because like I love that.
1:24:47
SPEAKER_03: I would do only astrology.
1:24:49
SPEAKER_03: That's all I would talk about.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_03: I would talk about in the way that I want to talk about it.
1:24:51
SPEAKER_03: And I would just make the most straightforward business I ever could.
1:24:54
SPEAKER_03: Like my offers would be simple, um, and that's all they would be centered around.
1:24:59
SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't be trying to like throw in all these extras to make it like, no, they'd come to me because they want to learn astrology.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, why don't I do that?
1:25:05
SPEAKER_03: Why am I not just doing that?
1:25:07
SPEAKER_03: Just do that, bitch.
1:25:08
SPEAKER_03: Like, and so I did.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_03: And so I was like, okay, um, that was at the end of last year, actually.
1:25:13
SPEAKER_03: I did like this huge deep dive in my business, and then I was like, burn it, torch it, throw it, throw the match on it.
1:25:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's where I was like, all right, for 2024, my focus is going to be astrology.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_03: Actually, I have to show you something.
1:25:25
SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
1:25:25
SPEAKER_03: It is back here.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_03: So I have I'm just gonna show you the whole thing.
1:25:30
SPEAKER_03: Every like two years, I get the call to like make a vision board for myself, and like this is my vision board.
1:25:35
SPEAKER_03: Um but in on the solstice, the winter solstice, I write out 12 wishes and then I burn them.
1:25:44
SPEAKER_03: But one wish I have to pick out, and that wish is the wish that I'm responsible for making come true for myself.
1:25:49
SPEAKER_03: If I make it from come true for myself, then the universe has to hold up its end of the deal and make my other ones come true.
1:25:53
SPEAKER_03: And the one that I pulled for myself was I'm a celebrated astrologer.
1:25:58
SPEAKER_03: That was the wish.
1:25:59
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, Yeah, I can't.
1:26:02
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, there we go.
1:26:04
SPEAKER_03: That's that's my journey.
1:26:05
SPEAKER_02: Ew, ew, in the best way.
1:26:07
SPEAKER_02: I have like straight body chills and just like what a beautiful example.
1:26:14
SPEAKER_02: Truly.
1:26:15
SPEAKER_02: And like, like I said before, you're so fucking good at this.
1:26:20
SPEAKER_02: And like what a gift that we all get to like get a taste of it.
1:26:25
SPEAKER_02: We all get to benefit from you being in your zone.
1:26:29
SPEAKER_02: Because I remember how many times we've talked.
1:26:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I just want to hear you talk about astrology all day long.
1:26:33
SPEAKER_02: And you're like, well, what about this and what about that?
1:26:35
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, you know, I want you to tell me about my astrology all day long, respectfully.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
1:26:42
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I mean, if you want to go in these other directions, obviously that's up to you.
1:26:45
SPEAKER_02: But like I remember getting somewhat sad when I was like, What do you I want you to talk about this?
1:26:51
SPEAKER_02: Do you know what I mean?
1:26:51
SPEAKER_02: Like, I just love it so much.
1:26:54
SPEAKER_02: And like, how cool that like that also resonates with you.
1:26:58
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying that like you have to listen to what everybody else does and like you got to do what they want from you, but like how cool that like it's all aligned.
1:27:07
SPEAKER_02: Like what you're meant to do is aligned with how you authentically are and what your people are naturally gonna see in you.
1:27:14
SPEAKER_02: So can you start to notice the breadcrumbs?
1:27:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1:27:18
SPEAKER_01: And there's something else here about I think so many of us business owners, like we're running some kind of business, but we have this whisper of like, but if I could do it my way, like this is what I would really do.
1:27:29
SPEAKER_01: And then the voices come in of like, oh, but you can't do it.
1:27:31
SPEAKER_01: You can't do it like this, you can't do it like that.
1:27:33
SPEAKER_01: And Mariah actually made a comment to you, Ash, like, you are like the way you're talking about this, it you sound just so much more grounded in like what it is, what you're it just feels like you're in the right place doing the right things.
1:27:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, and that that is like that energy is just like radiating through you.
1:27:47
SPEAKER_01: So I just really wanted to share that with everybody.
1:27:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, if you are like me, where you have that little like, oh, I think I could do this, and if I were to just burn it all and do what I love, like this would be it.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, explore that a little bit more.
1:27:59
SPEAKER_01: Like, That well, it may not be as crazy as you think it is.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_01: And so thank you so much for the example and the like that you shared in the world, Ash.
1:28:05
SPEAKER_01: I know we've kept you over here.
1:28:07
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate your time today.
1:28:08
SPEAKER_01: And um you know, we'll make sure to leave all the links and all of the we'll make a little guide about the house system.
1:28:17
SPEAKER_01: Um before we close this out, Mariah, is there any final thoughts or anything you want to share with anything?
1:28:21
SPEAKER_02: We just have one more question to ask.
1:28:23
SPEAKER_01: I forgot about our final question.
1:28:25
SPEAKER_02: Our final question.
1:28:27
SPEAKER_02: So, what's been sparking your curiosity lately?
1:28:30
SPEAKER_03: Ooh, sparking my curiosity.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_03: Um also very nerdy.
1:28:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I again have been like really going deep with the placidist system.
1:28:40
SPEAKER_03: That's like my own curiosity thing.
1:28:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I found that I have I've never identified with having Virgo in the 10th house.
1:28:48
SPEAKER_03: Because I'm just like, that means that I'm supposed to be like detail-oriented and analytical about like my business and my career.
1:28:55
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, fucking no, that's not true for me.
1:28:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so like the biggest thing where I switched my chart to Placidus was I have the ninth house in Virgo.
1:29:03
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, bitch, what?
1:29:05
SPEAKER_03: What?
1:29:06
SPEAKER_03: Because like that's being analytical and being, you know, detail-oriented about your sense of spirituality and the thoughts that you have.
1:29:13
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, you mean the fact that I have a spreadsheet journal that talks about all 12 of my, like, I keep a you how you were talking about like, oh, if you have a journal that you go, I do.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_03: It's in a spreadsheet, it's in a Google spreadsheet that goes through all the zodiac science.
1:29:28
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like going through it normally.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, you mean that is my ninth house?
1:29:32
SPEAKER_03: That makes way more sense.
1:29:33
SPEAKER_03: And so I have just been letting myself have so much fun being a huge fucking nerd with my ninth house and Virgo about like, how can I like systemize some of these like spirituality things?
1:29:46
SPEAKER_03: So I think that was something that I never allowed myself to do.
1:29:48
SPEAKER_03: So I'm like, no, it's supposed to be flowy and it's supposed to know.
1:29:50
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, not for me, not for me.
1:29:52
SPEAKER_03: It's allowed to be really structured if I want it to be.
1:29:54
SPEAKER_03: It's allowed to be like as Virgo as I want it to be.
1:29:57
SPEAKER_03: And so, like, that has been sparking my curiosity of like, how can I incorporate that more?
1:30:01
SPEAKER_03: Where else can I put that?
1:30:03
SPEAKER_03: And so that's what's been really, really joyful for me.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_02: I fucking love that.
1:30:08
SPEAKER_02: I fucking love it.
1:30:09
SPEAKER_02: And like you could just feel it, dude.
1:30:11
SPEAKER_02: You can feel it.
1:30:12
SPEAKER_02: And I know that you can probably feel it too, but like it's just like so intense in the best way.
1:30:20
SPEAKER_02: Just like the energy that you give off about this stuff.
1:30:23
SPEAKER_02: I feel like we could literally ask you a million more questions.
1:30:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, but is there is there anything else you just want to share, like your website, Instagram, or just like where people can connect with you?
1:30:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
1:30:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, come join my newsletter.
1:30:36
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, please join the newsletter family.
1:30:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, I think my my biggest joy every week is being able to write that, send it, and then see the responses because every week I get people that are like, holy shit, the way that you said this.
1:30:49
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, that gives me so much life.
1:30:51
SPEAKER_03: Um, so thank you.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_03: Please join there, join the family.
1:30:55
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, come connect with me on Instagram.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's I am Ash Burnside.
1:30:59
SPEAKER_03: Um, sorry, I am underscore Ash Burnside over on Instagram.
1:31:03
SPEAKER_03: And yeah, ashburnside.com if you want to learn the astrology things from me.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_02: We are going to put all of those links and information in the show notes for our listeners, along with some extra information.
1:31:15
SPEAKER_02: So definitely check out the show notes.
1:31:17
SPEAKER_02: But I think we're ready to close this episode down.
1:31:20
SPEAKER_02: So remember, friends, that you have the power to create whatever the fuck you want.
1:31:25
SPEAKER_02: Truly.
1:31:26
SPEAKER_02: Follow the nudge, ask the questions, and let curiosity guide the way.
1:31:30
SPEAKER_02: We'll see you in the next episode.