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M and M Extra Launch Party - The Tucker Carlson Factor · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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  Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Light.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem extra.
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  Speaker 2: Here's how close to the bone this was. Did we
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  Speaker 2: talk about who talks first? Is this my day? Is
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  Speaker 2: it your day? This is your day? This is my day?
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  Speaker 3: This is alphabetic friend David Davis, d Gallagher ges.
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  Speaker 2: It's like in homeroom, Wow, I'm so good, I am
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  Speaker 2: so ready, I'm over ready, I'm exhausted and energized at
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  Speaker 2: the same time. We've both just done a talk show.
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  Speaker 2: How that work out for you? And this product every
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  Speaker 2: day is going to be a combination of what Mike
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  Speaker 2: just did, what I just did, other things that we're
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  Speaker 2: still involved in.
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  Speaker 3: Can I share something with everybody real quick about you please,
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  Speaker 3: on a personal level, on a personal note.
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  Speaker 2: Which any time I hear this, I just don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's gonna follow.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Look, everybody knows your personality and people love you so much,
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  Speaker 3: and look at all the and incidentally, there's a live
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  Speaker 3: chat I'm kind of watching on.
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  Speaker 2: The YouTube page.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, t X, teacher guy, I'm here, Jeffrey woohoo. Scott Hummer,
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  Speaker 3: good morning, let's go. I made it first? Is this
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  Speaker 3: a good was this? Was any of this a good idea?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 3: It look good on paper, didn't it? It looked good
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  Speaker 3: on paper. But here's the thing. You have been as
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  Speaker 3: excited about this project as I've known you for a
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  Speaker 3: long time. Yeah, but I but you have been as
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  Speaker 3: excited about launching this live YouTube show and our podcast
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  Speaker 3: as anything I've ever seen you get. And you get
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  Speaker 3: excited about a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I know your bar.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I get excited about a good McDonald's commercial, So
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  Speaker 3: I'm the same way. But but can you kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: can we kind of pull the curtain back a little
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  Speaker 3: bit and say and get into your your your psyche,
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  Speaker 3: and your your heart and share with everybody why you're
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  Speaker 3: so pumped about eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: I think that after doing this for as long as
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  Speaker 2: I have and you have, this may be the newest
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  Speaker 2: most start. And it's weird because it's going to involve
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  Speaker 2: the skill set that you and I already obviously have
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  Speaker 2: doing things that we've been familiar with for decades covering things,
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  Speaker 2: talking about stuff. But I think I feel like we
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  Speaker 2: are at the cusp of because here we are a
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  Speaker 2: couple of boomers, and yet we're gonna we're gonna stay
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  Speaker 2: cutting edge with this in a in a digital space
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  Speaker 2: and a YouTube space, a podcast space that is probably
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  Speaker 2: the future of all content. Uh and and so there's
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  Speaker 2: just a confluence of a comfort zone of doing this,
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  Speaker 2: do it with my buddy, my brother from another mother,
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  Speaker 2: and yet doing something that is so cutting edge and
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  Speaker 2: so uh trailblazing that it's just it's one of the
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  Speaker 2: most exciting, uh turnstiles I've ever walked through. How did
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  Speaker 2: that make sense?
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  Speaker 3: It does because and and of course this is hysterical.
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  Speaker 3: I have to share with you. If you're watching the
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  Speaker 3: lighting change, Tracy is on a ladder as we speak,
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  Speaker 3: adjusting the lads.
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  Speaker 2: She's on me. She's on the ladder.
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  Speaker 3: If you hear a crash, look, I'm not calling nine
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  Speaker 3: one one. I gotta I got a show to do here.
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  Speaker 3: So she's on her own, So she falls, she's just
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to figure out a way to Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 3: adjusting the lights.
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  Speaker 2: Joey, you are you you are You are brighter than
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  Speaker 2: I am something which is true almost every day.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's that's verbial, not literal, not that.
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  Speaker 3: And I've got the lower lights here. I got to
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  Speaker 3: turn these things off. And and somebody just said, Joey's
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  Speaker 3: been want monitoring. He says, your mic level is too low.
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  Speaker 3: So we're we're working on all of this. We're getting
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  Speaker 3: all put together. But here's what's fun about what we're
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  Speaker 3: doing this. There's no question there's a great debate about radio.
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  Speaker 3: And you and I are are are I mean we
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  Speaker 3: say veterans. It means we're old. We got I mean,
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  Speaker 3: look nineteen your your first talk show was eighty.
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  Speaker 2: One October October nineteen eighty two.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Mine was in the summer of seventy eight. So
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  Speaker 3: which got about it?
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  Speaker 2: Because because because I'm a little older than you are,
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  Speaker 2: we're about to observe fifty years of you doing this.
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  Speaker 2: But go ahead, hang out.
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  Speaker 3: So we've but we we're hearing this narrative that radio
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  Speaker 3: is going away and that the podcasting is the future.
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  Speaker 3: YouTube is everything. I mean, what isn't it. The Academy
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  Speaker 3: Awards are going to be now aired exclusively on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: In a couple of search and try and try to
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  Speaker 2: watch football. Try to watch football where you know in
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  Speaker 2: the old days was you know, ABC, NBCCBS, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: Now you got to go to Amazon. You gotta have
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  Speaker 2: fourteen platforms, sixteen subscriptions to watch football or baseball. And
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  Speaker 2: because it's the digital platform, related universe is everywhere. It's
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  Speaker 2: the future.
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  Speaker 3: It's the future. And so look, the future is now.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you flat out radio is
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  Speaker 3: not going anywhere. People can try to say that till
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  Speaker 3: they're blue in the face. I've been hearing about the
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  Speaker 3: demise of radio for ten plus years. But that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: mean we should ignore or avoid what this podcast space
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  Speaker 3: represents and what YouTube is. And so for you and
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  Speaker 3: I a couple of krusty old veterans to get to
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  Speaker 3: chat every day, people truly do love this eminem experience.
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  Speaker 3: And so what we've decided to do is just make
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  Speaker 3: it unique to the YouTube channel. Every day at noon
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  Speaker 3: eastern eleventh Central, we are live right now on YouTube,
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  Speaker 3: and then this podcast is going to be aired later
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  Speaker 3: in the day where all of your podcasts are obtained
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  Speaker 3: Spotify and Apple and all all that stuff. But I
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  Speaker 3: am just as excited as you are Mark, because this
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  Speaker 3: gives us an opportunity to just riff on stuff. And
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  Speaker 3: by the way, people are texting me already. You and
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  Speaker 3: I talked about can we use the text line? Why not?
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  Speaker 2: You did?
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  Speaker 3: You told me, well, be careful what you wish for
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  Speaker 3: because it's all blowing up. But the text line for
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  Speaker 3: both of us, and we got to get you the
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  Speaker 3: screen too.
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  Speaker 2: I got mine, you got yours. I got mine. As
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  Speaker 2: in life, it's all good.
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  Speaker 3: So they could text you, they could text me. We
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  Speaker 3: can text each other. But look, this is kind of
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  Speaker 3: what everything is. Everything is changing, everything's in a transformational phase.
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  Speaker 3: One of my kids was in town and dragged me
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  Speaker 3: to the Devil Wears product Part two over the Lord
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  Speaker 3: have a big, big mistake, big mistake.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know Meryl Streep and was boring.
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  Speaker 3: It was. It wasn't as funny and wasn't as fun
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  Speaker 3: But you know what the story is. The story is
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  Speaker 3: how magazines are going obsolete and they're being replaced by digital.
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  Speaker 3: Everything is changed. Everything's changing, going into the digital space,
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  Speaker 3: everything's going into into what's on a podcast. You're not
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  Speaker 3: People aren't reading magazines anymore. And I guess Marked to
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  Speaker 3: some degree that's true. But then again, are magazines really
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  Speaker 3: gonna go away forever?
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  Speaker 2: When last? When when's the last time you picked up
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  Speaker 2: a paper than on a plane? When's the last time you,
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  Speaker 2: on purpose, out in the wild, held a magazine in
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  Speaker 2: your hand?
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  Speaker 3: Sunday? I love I love the feel of a magazine.
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  Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed to admit it.
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  Speaker 2: Don't ask me all right away with this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'll admit it on the podcast, but i'll deny
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  Speaker 3: it on the yeah so or yeah Vanity Fair. It's okay, No,
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  Speaker 3: it's not right. That's a terrible confession.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a self respecting man and I've occasionally thumbed through
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  Speaker 2: a Vanity Fair.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's just some good article. The yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: culture and media and all that. But I mean, but no,
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  Speaker 3: I like, I get, I still get Vanity Fair shipped.
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  Speaker 2: I get.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm in an airport, I'll grab one. But you're right,
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  Speaker 3: it's not like it used to be. It's a whole
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  Speaker 3: different world. It's we're in a we're in a brave
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  Speaker 3: new world, my friend, and this podcast, space and YouTube
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  Speaker 3: it's a big part of it.
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  Speaker 2: We indeed, so and so is just our way of
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  Speaker 2: basically saying that here on day one, Show one, you
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  Speaker 2: have found eminem extra. Now, let me ask you. You
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  Speaker 2: asked me to kind of appeal, to appeal the emotional
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  Speaker 2: psychological curtain back. Here's one experiencing something related to what
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  Speaker 2: I'm experiencing right now. And it's funny. We're very meta,
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  Speaker 2: and by that I mean examining what we're doing at
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  Speaker 2: this close, crazy level. I promise we're gonna get to
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  Speaker 2: like actual news of today. But on day one, this
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  Speaker 2: is a very organic and god strange thing. Here's my
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  Speaker 2: question to you. Compared to what we've done on the
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  Speaker 2: radio together for absolute years, we're ten or eleven minutes
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  Speaker 2: in now, do you feel any differently than you did
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  Speaker 2: this morning on the radio or than you ever did it?
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  Speaker 2: Does there anything right now in your in your head?
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  Speaker 2: Anything you feel any differently right now than our usual
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  Speaker 2: radio gig together because I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. I feel like I'm not watching
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have to watch the clock. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not gonna have to worry about a break. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to worry because I feel like there's a
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  Speaker 3: sense of urgency that you and I always have. At
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  Speaker 3: seven thirty five on your show that we don't have
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  Speaker 3: to have anymore. And that's that's pretty liberating, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because because I and you know the biggest complaint we
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  Speaker 3: get and we've always gotten as we talk over each
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  Speaker 3: other here, well I know why. Well, because we've got
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  Speaker 3: nine minutes or whatever, we want to get it all
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  Speaker 3: in and we're passionate, we're excited. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: not for nothing. You're in Texas. I'm in Florida. There
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  Speaker 3: is the technology of having to go across the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the universe here, and that's that's that's part of it
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  Speaker 3: as well. But I kind of feel like we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: lose that part of it. And if that's the case,
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  Speaker 3: I'm all in mark because if that's the one objection
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  Speaker 3: people had, well we just remove that object.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's really is completely true. Because just in clock time, however,
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  Speaker 2: y'all are listening or whatever in in the central time
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  Speaker 2: here in Texas where I am, I do a show
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  Speaker 2: this on from seven to ten in the morning, six
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  Speaker 2: sixty am. The aanswer dot com for you the thing
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  Speaker 2: you want to find for me, Mike online dot com
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  Speaker 2: for anything about Mike, I mean, Internet going digital might
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  Speaker 2: as well find us everywhere oh, real quick, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Text lines, Yours is eight hundred and sixty five five Mike, right, right, correct,
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  Speaker 2: And you're six five five sixty five four five six
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  Speaker 2: four five three six four five three minus eight six
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  Speaker 2: six six six oh five seven five nine. So that's texting, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: texting me, flip a coin, whatever you want to do.
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  Speaker 2: But in this what the heck was I even talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Oh that in the in the radio world, we started
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  Speaker 2: about seven thirty five or seven thirty six, depending on
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  Speaker 2: if I've gotten into news on time right and then
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  Speaker 2: and we you mentioned nine minutes, dude, it's fifteen. If
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  Speaker 2: it's a heartbeat. Every single we're building away breaks. It
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  Speaker 2: just does. It does because it moves so quick. At
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  Speaker 2: any given moment, we have both awakened with talk show
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  Speaker 2: prep in our heads, which means they're eight, ten, twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows how many things we might want to get
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  Speaker 2: to today, And that means microcosmically, when I'm sitting here
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  Speaker 2: getting ready to do with my buddy Mike our segment together,
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  Speaker 2: there might be a few things that I really would
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  Speaker 2: kind of like to get to. And if we're eight
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  Speaker 2: or nine or ten minutes in, we're only we're still
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  Speaker 2: bogged down deliciously. In one of them. It's kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we kind of got to get going
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  Speaker 2: and now I just I feel so unencumbered by that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of crazy. And again we talk about
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  Speaker 3: the curtain being pulled back, but it's crazy to me
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  Speaker 3: how I do my day, and I do want to
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  Speaker 3: run this through. I mean, I'm up at six in
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  Speaker 3: the morning and I go right to all of my
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  Speaker 3: prep services and I send clips and I send articles
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  Speaker 3: and I send stuff that I want to use to
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  Speaker 3: my team. Now, I think you're more hands on in
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  Speaker 3: terms of stuff that you pull. But I will tell
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  Speaker 3: you this that in addition, and then Yasmin and Tracy
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  Speaker 3: and Eric put together what we call the Bible, the
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  Speaker 3: cut sheet ten twelve fifteen cuts. In fact, you have
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  Speaker 3: it now because we're going to play maybe a couple
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  Speaker 3: from Tucker Carlson and a little preview ahead. I do
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  Speaker 3: want to dive into the Tucker Carlson phenomenon with you,
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  Speaker 3: because you and I have I think, differing views on
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  Speaker 3: this and it'll be a good place to start today
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  Speaker 3: on day one of our eminem Extra. But at seven
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  Speaker 3: thirty five, when you and I get together, I'm laying
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  Speaker 3: out my show that day. Yeah, I'm kind of in
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  Speaker 3: my mind. Now you're already halfway through, you're already midway.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just getting started for an hour, forty minutes, thirty
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  Speaker 2: minutes in my first hour is the first half hour
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  Speaker 2: me blathering about stuff, in the second half hour blathering
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  Speaker 2: about stuff in your company. So first hour, So.
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  Speaker 3: How much of how much of eminem impacts what you
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  Speaker 3: do for the rest of your show.
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  Speaker 2: It can vary widely in a way always because all
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  Speaker 2: it is is an encapsulation of stuff I'm already interested
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  Speaker 2: in talking about, which will overlap greatly with what you
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  Speaker 2: are talking about. We're two talk show guys. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do spared airlines, We're gonna do Operation Freedom or whatever
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  Speaker 2: this thing is called. We're we're gonna do you know,
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna do the We'll do all those things. But
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  Speaker 2: when I think you're talking about, are there occasions where
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  Speaker 2: there's something that's just unforeseen, some curveball you will throw me,
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  Speaker 2: or something that will occur to me to mention to
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  Speaker 2: you that just at that point, it's like there we go,
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  Speaker 2: off we go, and it becomes my entire eight o'clock
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  Speaker 2: hour because of something you and I did together, something
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  Speaker 2: we stumbled across that was just radio gold. So it's
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  Speaker 2: invaluable to me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're we're both pumped and I want to I
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  Speaker 3: want to tackle the Tucker thing. But a quick shout
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  Speaker 3: out to everybody on both of our respective teams, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot has gone into this, the
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  Speaker 3: backgrounds and the logos and the and the infrastructure, and
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  Speaker 3: Yasmin's done a great job. You reminded us this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Got that lower third bug.
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  Speaker 2: We got it.
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  Speaker 3: We want to have the minema there it is and
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  Speaker 3: the lower third and we're still working. We're gonna still
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  Speaker 3: be tweaking lighting and stuff like that. But U and everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Joey Hudson, who my dear friend, has been invaluable in
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  Speaker 3: giving me podcast and YouTube advice, Joey knows this space
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  Speaker 3: better than I do. And I'm look, I'm absolutely fine
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  Speaker 3: with acknowledging that I know what I don't know and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of this is new to me. But we're
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  Speaker 3: in it now, so you know, we're in the thick
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  Speaker 3: of it, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's you're in my heads together on the screen and
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  Speaker 2: your voice and mind together on the screen. But it's
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  Speaker 2: all about team and over at my end from my
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  Speaker 2: producer Ronda Morland and Matt who runs the board for
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  Speaker 2: me on radio, and Barry Walters, who was cobbling together
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  Speaker 2: the engineering literally seconds before we go. And you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: the little bug at the bottom and the lower left
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  Speaker 2: of your YouTube screen, the little eminem extra thing that
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  Speaker 2: is by my favorite graphic artists who I'm also married to,
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  Speaker 2: my wonderful wife Lisa, who is so so proud to
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  Speaker 2: have done that, and I just I can't do anything
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  Speaker 2: without her, And so just everybody involved in this, it's
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  Speaker 2: what makes us. I'd tell you what it is having
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  Speaker 2: good people around you personally, it is the kind can
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  Speaker 2: you imagine doing this, doing this job when life is
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  Speaker 2: not going well. It takes enough of you, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: and listen, Lord knows our industry is filled with people
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  Speaker 2: who are doing shows today where maybe life is not
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  Speaker 2: going so well. But what a blessing it is to
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  Speaker 2: just have the eyes died of the te's crossed in
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  Speaker 2: the personal world, in the professional world, to be surrounded
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  Speaker 2: by people I love because you know I love you,
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  Speaker 2: but also outside the see you and Tracy and Eric
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  Speaker 2: and Jasmine and Yasmin. Sorry with all that, I've just
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  Speaker 2: done amazing stuff and it enables us to kind of
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  Speaker 2: to do this and it makes it amazing gratitude.
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  Speaker 3: There's a safety net that we have that we I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: Eric Hansen is the Rock. I mean, he's been with
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  Speaker 3: me get this, like twenty five years, twenty four years,
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  Speaker 3: I mean since two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 2: I hired him.
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  Speaker 3: He was working at ABC. I was first syndicated and
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  Speaker 3: I was looking for somebody to be an operations manager.
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  Speaker 3: And so Rock is you know, we call him the rock.
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  Speaker 3: He's been with me through thick and thin. You've had
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  Speaker 3: Ronda with you for years. We just have loyal teams
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  Speaker 3: twelve years and so we got and so and Yasmin
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  Speaker 3: is kind of the new kid on the block. She's
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  Speaker 3: doing an amazing I was. I wanted to tell her
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  Speaker 3: today and you're gonna find this out with the M
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  Speaker 3: and M extra you and I. I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: she does it. In fact, I don't even want her
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  Speaker 3: to tell me this morning. For example, on my show,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: I pull out Spirit Airlines out of the clear blue.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't have it scripted, it wasn't planned out, and
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: before you know it within seconds. Yasmine is playing Spirit
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Airlines b role. Now she's gonna do that with M
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: and M two. You wait and see, you'll bring something
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: up that maybe isn't even prepared, and you'll look up
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: at the monitor and there's the b roll that Yasmin
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Holloway has already put together and has aired. So she
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: is tremendous. She's a great asset to the team. We
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: just added her fairly recently. And wait did we find her? Well,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: she was working. She was working at AM nine seventy
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: the Answer in New York City.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Our local New York answer station. Just like that, that's right,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: local DFW answer station.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Yet that's exactly right. You know, the country is comprised
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: of hundreds of the answer stations that our parent company,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Sale and Media Group owns, and she was working in
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: the master control room and she you know, she loves
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: the station and they love her. But this was an
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: opportunity for her to get into more network television programming
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and getting into her wheelhouse, which is she's so good
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: at video stuff and b rolling all that. I'll tell
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: you what's new for her. And we've talked about this
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: and it's not her fault. Live is a whole different
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: animal than post production. Yeah, buddy, you know, and it's
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: and and I'm not and I'm no walk in the park,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: so I'm a little edgy. So poor Yasmin, I think
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: the first week she's like, what did I walk into?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: What is happening here?
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: And yeah, and Tracy said, now look, you got to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: understand during showtime, Mike is a little on edge. Mike
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: gets he he's in the zone. Now, he's normal before
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and after the show. He ain't real normal during the show.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Now I'm pretty normal here on the podcast. I'm gonna
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: have a very relaxed kind of attitude unless we start
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: arguing about Tucker Carlson here and we're going that's coming,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: that's coming, I promise here on and this is m
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: and am extra. It is a busy, busy day, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you and I are going to kind of get ramped
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: up and have some fun here with a little Tucker.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: But go ahead, and I started to cut you off there, No, no, no.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: It's perfectly fine. So just to help paint the picture,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: because as new as this is for us, it's brand
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: new for a lot of other folks. And here's another
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: thing for you know, the year twenty twenty six for
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: guys who started doing this, you know, half a century ago.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: You are in the Tampa Bay area of Florida. I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: am here in the Dallas Fort Worth area, and Eric
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and Yasmin are in New York. How how much time
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: have you spent Have you ever actually met Yasmin in person?
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I actually have a couple of times, because I go
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: to New York a pretty good amount of time. But
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: but but I spend a lot more time with her
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: online than I.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Do in person. That's well, that's that's just the mad
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and actually that's the been the modern world for a
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: long time. And heaven knows, COVID did that splintering everybody
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: out to working remotely.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: And this is actually funny. I wish I could show
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: you this. In fact, I can show you this. I'm
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: gonna put this up there. We go.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: You know this, it's a visual medium. Let's go high
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: tech here.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: So this is this is my team. Look how it's
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: like the Brady Bunch. We see everybody, see how everybody
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: is in a box. And this is good and and
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: this way we can all communicate. There's Tracy, there's Eric,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: There's Yasmin.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Eric, Yasmin center left.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: That's right, Alex is normally screening calls. Of course, we're
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: not gonna necessarily take calls during the podcast, although who knows,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: we know something, don't tell me a good time. But
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: but that's but but that monitor. We all have this
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: in front of us because we're all spread out all
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: over America. So so this is how we communicate to
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: each other. And that and that's the that's the team.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: You know, it's pretty cool and uh and and then
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: we also have a pretty sophisticated i FB system. We
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: can talk to each other. But you know, Joey's in
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: South Carolina, and Tracy's here in Florida, Yasmin's in New York,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Eric's in New York. I mean, it's a it's a uh,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it's a bi coastal effort.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: By day, you'd you we were multiple time zone serving,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: serving the nation and thus the world.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: All right, let's let's start with the last can you
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: do it?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: A final, final preparatory thing for people, because because again
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: they're going to stumble across this and go, who in
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the world are these guys? Let's take a minute or
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: two apiece to answer that musical question, who are these guys?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And and then let's go about doing what we're actually
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: going to do. Sound good?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I love it, so they want to go, go, go
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: right ahead.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Born with the radio? How long? What the heck? And
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: what have you done?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy eight. My first radio gig was when I
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: was working in a construction company in the mail room
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: and the local, the local talk radio station was on
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the air, and I fell in love with the medium.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: My boss listened to the station every day wa v
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I people Power, People Power, and I went I took
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: a tour of the station, and I talked my way
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: into a job, and I've been pretty much at it
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: ever since radio television. Became a Fox News contributor when
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I lived in New York for a number of years.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I gave that up when somebody dumped a milkshake on
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: my head in a diner and I decided, I don't
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: want to live this way. I liked the relative anonymity
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: of radio. So after about nine or ten years as
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: a Fox News contributor, where I worked on all the
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: shows and you know, did all the Fox and Friends
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: and Hannity and all that stuff, and Bill O'Reilly a lot,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I decided to go back and focus exclusively on Sale
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: and Media, and you know, went into syndication in two
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: thousand and one. I've been nationally syndicated since August of
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: two thousand and one. Did that strike you? How about
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: the timing of that?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: What?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had been fine, Mike will share with you
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: at some point is doing a show in the Empire
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: State Building on nine to eleven. But I had forgotten
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: that you'd been syndicated for exactly a month a roughly
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: right correct, three weeks.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: In fact, when that and Sean Hannity had just started
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: at WABC Radio at about the same time. Believe it
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: or not, that's the same timing Sean was trying to
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: get on the air. We couldn't figure out how to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: do that because we all got sort of stranded at
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: our homes on Long Island. Sean lived farther out on
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Long Island than I did. I lived in Manhassett, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Sean had a home at the time way out like
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Exit sixty in Long Island. But yeah, I went into
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: syndication in two thousand and one. I was acquired by
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Sale and Media then and have just been just blessed
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: to have this career as a nationally syndicated talk show
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: host for all these many years, and I on the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: other end, and you are the dean, the legend, the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: king of Texas talk show hosts. And you went back
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: to Texas though even though you were born in Texas,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: but that's not where you kind of cut your teeth
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and talk radio. So introduced the introduced Mark Davis to
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: our podcast and YouTube world.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Native tech born in San Antonio. His dad was in
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the Air Force, and so thank you Randelf Air Force Base,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and thank you Air Force. Also since being in the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Air Force, he also means we move a lot. So
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: immediately like two years after that, spent most of my
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: youth growing up on my entire youth for the most well,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: except for two years in England when dad was at
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the embassy in the suburbs of Washington, DC. So I
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: graduate from the University of Maryland, and it's like, I
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: want a journal I'm got a journalism tograe. I'm going
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to be a radio reporter, which I did in West
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Virginia and in Florida and in Jacksonville. In nineteen eighty two,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: they looked at AM Radio and they said, am playing
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: music and not working so much anymore. So hey, let's
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: become a talk station. They plugged into what was then
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the ABC Talk Radio Network, which was Owen Span doctor
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Tony Grant, Susan Forward, the other Michael Jackson. The it
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: was the British African Yeah, yeah, in la Yeah, it
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: was very la very West Coast based. But they left
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a morning whole to do your own local morning show.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And so that's what I did for nineteen eighty two, Jacksonville, Memphis,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: down there to Tampa for about ten minutes, the only
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: time I've ever I don't think I've ever been fired fired,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: But the station changed format, they got rid of everybody.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: It was never because of something I did yet, so
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and that's what freed me up to go to Washington
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: from ninety to ninety four. Metaped named Tyler Cox there
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: who then came here to DFW in ninety two, and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: then I followed in ninety four have been here ever since,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: eighteen years down the dial at a legendary station called
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: WBAP owned by ABC and others. And then fourteen years
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: ago Mike in June got to come into Salem, Land,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the umbrella under which all of this kind of operates,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and walk into a station that was carrying, luckily enough,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: your local show. That's where our then diagrams came together,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and our worlds have been intertwined ever since. And I
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: could not be more great.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And let me share. If you're just stumbling upon us
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: for the first time and you're saying, hey, what is
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: this dynamic between these two guys? About nine or ten
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: years ago, you invited me on your show at six
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: sixty am the answer to preview what I was going
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to do on my show after, which comes immediately after
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: you in the station lineup, and which was very gracious
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: of you. You didn't have to do that, And we just
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: hit it off, and we started realizing there's something kind
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: of special about the way we interact with each other.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: And over the years, largely through that what we effectually
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: call hashtag seven thirty five segment, you and I have
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: developed a deep mutual respect and admiration for each other.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: You become one of my closest friends in the business
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and out of the business. I count on your guidance,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: your wisdom, your your joyful countenance. There's something and people
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: just love it. I mean, you get it all the time.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I know if I'm getting it, you're getting it. Gosh,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I can't miss the M and M experience. I love
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: listening to the two of you. I sit in the
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: car when I'm going to work. I don't want to
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: go into work until there's just something about the chemistry,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the camaraderie. And you can't really bottle that mark. You
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: can't package that. It's either have it or you don't.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: They're consultants who have tried to pair radio personalities, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you have talented person A and talented person B. They say, hey,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: this will work. Not always. You throw them together in
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the room and there's just something about the interplace, something
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: about the chemistry that just doesn't happen. And I don't
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: know how. You can't fake it, you can't manufacture it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And just the history of this, the idea of hey,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: let's have Mike on to sort of plug what he's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: going to do on his show, and that literally was
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: what it was. It was a plug. It was like
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a minute or two, and then it became like five,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and then the next thing you know, I'm blowing commercial
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: breaks out to talk to you for like fifteen solid minutes,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: which never happens in commercial radio. And that's where we've
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: been for about a decade, and it was the success
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: of that and the energy of that that has birthed
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: this thing.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Listen, there's nothing worse. I don't know if you've ever
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: been paired with somebody who didn't really want to be paired,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: but that happened to me at WABC in New York.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I mean I went through several co hosts and one
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: of them, Oh, I only know about one. I only
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: know about Lionel. You know about Lionel. I was Mike
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: and Lionel in the morning.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It's nothing against Lionel, but right, I assume unless you
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: want to make I love Lionel.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's a funny guy. He's quirky, very he
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: was a caller. He was here in Tampa Bay actually lived,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: that's right. And he used to call local shows. And
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: he's a smart guy. He's an attorney. His real name
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: is Michael lebron and and he's become he's kind of
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: carved out the conspiracy theory space. He loves conspiracy theories
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: of course, big Alex fan and Candice Owens fan and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: all that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: But he was my.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Partner, and he frankly didn't want to partner, and so
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: that didn't really last nothing that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Occurred to me is who I don't don't throw anybody
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: under the bus, because when I think of Lionel and
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: he was sort of gravitating from because I was in
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Tampa nineteen ninety for about ten minutes, and and I
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: think he had a show at a fledgling show at
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: that time, and the legacy was still being written that
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: he had gravitated over from being a caller. His was
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: such a soapbox of his own unique making that I
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: could I couldn't have seen him paired with anybody.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: It was a time when they were throwing stuff. I
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: mean I also was paired with a leg There was
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a veteran newswoman in New York named Penny cron. Now,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Penny was a character. She was a piece of work,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: and she covered the police and the fire fires and
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: all that. She was like a crime reporter for the
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: for the Fox affiliate in New York City. But now
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: her belief as my co host was that she didn't
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: want to know anything about any topic. She wouldn't read anything,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: she wouldn't get. She wanted me to be the person
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: that explained it all to her on the air, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: so as a result, she didn't know anything, and so
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: we would sit there. You talk about a challenging I mean.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: She didn't know anything.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I mean it was like she didn't she barely knew
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: who the president was. And I'm in there trying to
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: lose my marbles thinking, oh gosh, this is my co
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: host who is committed to total blissful ignorance about every topic,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: every headline, every news story under the sun. And I
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: loved her. She's this wonderful woman, and just.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: What okay if you loved her? And it was either
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: sort of it was sort of working.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Well, you might want to know some things about some things,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you might want to have a little bit of knowledge
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: of some topics and some news stories. It just wasn't
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: wasn't really meant to be so anyway. But then after
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that I got into syndication. It was on my own.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I had a business partner named John Dame who owned
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a group of radio stations based in Harrison Harris Harris Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: And we started on ten stations and before you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: we're up to one hundred and uh and so the
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: rest is history. All right, Can we get down to
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: business here on the M and M podcast?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Let us remind every of the eminem extra. Yes, you
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: were here, and we literally have like two segments with
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: which to do pretty pretty briefly what we'll do in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: a much more extended We have to be brief.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: There's no brief, no time constraints. Come on, Boomer, no clock,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: there's no clock. We got but but but I and
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I put my did you did you cover this at
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: all on your show today? The Tucker thing, the interview
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: with the New York Times.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was driven by something. Well, I'm driven by
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you that you're because I heard actually a tease that
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you did, as Mike has carried on our local stations.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It was like, Hey, coming up on the Mike Gallagher Show,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: if you ignore those Tucker Carlson presidential poll numbers, you
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: do it at your peril. Hey, hey, hey, so ordinarily sure,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: absolutely ready to play ball, except for except for two
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: things being true. At the same time, I have the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: residual fascination with this phenomenon, and yet at the same time,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I'm so sick of thinking and talking about him, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I know I need to I need to prod myself
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: toward figuring out what this phenomenon is. This the first
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: time on podcast a million times on radio. The great
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: father of modern psychology, William James, who once said there
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: is wisdom and knowing whom to ignore. So I largely
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: do it in my personal life and largely on my
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: show life. But I know we have to because it
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: is a thing. And here's the expert on this thing,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: my friend Mike Gllagher.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm no expert. I mean, you and I have
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: kind of differed over Tucker over the years because you've
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: never really been two enamored. You're you've respected him and
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I don't mean to say I'm not trying to take
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a shot at you, but but you you you know
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: what role he played, and he had the most popular show,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: the highest rated show on Fox News before he didn't.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: So let's listen to somebody who you might say we
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: should ignore the stage of all things political, the the
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the Solomon, the King Solomon of politics, Charlie Sheen on
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: The Hodge Twins podcast. But look, people are listening to
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: these guys, and I don't know if you follow the Lodge.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I want to play this for you.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: You do, It's what are you doing?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Keith and Kevin Hodge hosting Charlie Sheen and Here's what
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: they said about our pal Tucker Carlson, who gave a lengthy,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: provocative interview that dropped over the weekend on the New
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: at the New York Times. Here's the Hodge Twins with
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Charlie Sheen on Tucker.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: What if Tucker ran for president?
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: I would vote for that guy. I was standing.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: A lot of people would, Yeah, a lot of people would.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: It's a huge audience.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: He does prop.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: The bad mouth fem like he's a failed loser. He
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: told him he had to half ridden show Fox before
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: the candom. He's got this huge platform on online and
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: he's a low prop up Mark Levin.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, nobody, I know, nobody.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm just saying.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Then he's got Larry Loman is here and she can
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: call him up on us, like, man, this is so weird.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: I know, I know it went it went weird fast. Yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: But I think, you know, somebody like Tucker just has
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: the kind of credit and just you know, the wealth
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: of ideas that I think would really be really be interesting.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Dates in the middle. I think Tucker the liberal, a
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: moderate liberal.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Sure bought a guy who's like driven by solution, you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: I think that would be really exciting.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Now I can see your eyes growing up in the
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: back of your heads all the way from Florida.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: But I just but Tiger Blood winning. But there's great
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: value in that clip because here's first of all, Charlie
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Sheen and the Hodge guys probably got to start catching
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that product. See where the bar is set in the
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: World of the World O podcast. But when I hear judge,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: when was that? When would that have been from this
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: past week?
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of days ago.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And yet people and people use the words Tucker Curlson
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: incredibility in the same sentence. And I know I'm taking
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: shots at this point. He does despite the weirdness and
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: and the psychological oddity. And I didn't call Trump the Antichrist. Well,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: here's audio of you calling Trump the Antichrist? What, yes
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you did? I know there clearly is a core, a
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: nucleus of something going on there. So let me give
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: you a couple of minutes to ask. I know what
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: his appeal was when he was on Fox, and that's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: part of the kind of not betrayal. That's crazy. I
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: feel a sense of loss because he used to be
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: on the list of people who I really enjoyed paying
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: attention to and that's been gone for years now. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened. Is this the real guy or
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: was that the real guy? But if indeed the current
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Tucker twenty twenty six version has some traction with whom
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: and why.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with young people, because there are plenty
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: of young people who follow the Hodge Twins and Charlie
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Sheen and that whole gen Z kind of mindset there is.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's important two things. You use this phrase
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: all the time, two things can be true at the
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: same time. A lot of his view user have become odious.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I think he's anti Israel. He's anti evangelical Christian, which
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I think, which seems kind of odd. On the other hand,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: there is tremendous appeal at his message right now. There
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: are lot of young people. He is now one of
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the most prominent podcasters in the world. And you can't
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: just you know, you could say that about I mean,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I don't even think Alex Jones rose to the level
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of prominence that the Tucker certainly enjoys right now. The
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: common denominator here the theme is Israel, and I'm telling you,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: young people have turned against Israel in a scary amount
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: of numbers, and they like somebody coming along and challenging
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: the orthodoxy of saying, I mean, let me play the
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: clip for you of Tucker talking about Evangelical Christians because
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: this is really, really and I can't wait to get
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: your reactions.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Then, because I can't wait for my reaction to that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: No, because this is important because what he says about
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Evangelical Christians being beholden to Israel resonates with people. Mark,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you it lands with people more than you
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: want to admit. Here he was talking about why Israel
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: has such an important role in our foreign policy.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Have so many Jews.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many Jews live in this say
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: it's fewer than ten million, I think, But because we
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: have tens of millions of Evangelical Christians who unquestioningly support
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Israel because they believe it's their theological duty to do so.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: So on this question hangs the future of the American
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: economy and the lives of American service members. There's no
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: more important question. And the effort to push me away
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: from that question by calling me names, calling me a hater,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: saying I'm obsessed with Israel, Okay, I would be grateful,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: never to think about it again. I find Israel actually
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: geo strategically irrel, except the scent that we imbue it
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: with relevance at the beast largely of evangelical Christians. So
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: you can see there's a one to one correlation between
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: these questions and the future of my country. Mike Huckabee
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: and the people he represents have made it the nation's business.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: All right, Mark Davis, your response.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: We don't have enough podcast episodes to get into the
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: intellectual dishonesty just displayed in that rough minute and a half.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: As with many grifters and deceivers, there's just enough there
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: that is true to lure one in and go, hmm.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe this makes sense, and that is that Israel is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: important to evangelical Christians. I know because I am one,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: and in our world where you and I and our
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: entire Salem Company, our corporate culture is very very pro Israel,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: very conservative, very evangelical, and all those things overlap with
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: great comfort. Does that mean that we are unquestioningly supportive
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: of everything Israel does? Absolutely The notion that we are
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: blind followers of the Israeli pied piper tune, absolutely not,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and him painting it as that is a kind of
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: one of the oldest anti Semitic tropes is they have
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: this spell that they weave over people that just lures
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: folks in. He finds Israel geostrategically irrelevant? Are you kidding me? Now?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: You don't have to Is it possible to gather five
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: people in a room and have some people think that
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Israel is this important, others think it's this important, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: maybe somebody thinks it's not important at all, but geostrategically irrelevant.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: There's something different there, something weird going on there. And
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: let me offer it up to you, as I remind
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: everybody that this, ladies and gentlemen, is M and M extra.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: What matters to me is that there's intellectual honesty in
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the way we debate one another. And I'm always worried
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: on leary of the immediate knee jerk accusation that somebody
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: who isn't on board with what we're doing with Israel
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: is in fact an anti semit To me, it's because
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: we've been on the receiving end of this for years.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: You and I, as a couple of white talk show hosts,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: have been accused of being racists for as long as
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: we've been talk show hosts, How dare you criticize Barack Obama?
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: What do you mean? You're not on board with Jesse Jackson?
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: What do you mean, Ashila Jay? You know you can't
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: criticize a black politician without being called a racist.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Well to the.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Same degree or in the same way people tend to say, oh,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: you don't like Israel, you hate the Jews. I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: you can be absolutely not have a shred of anti
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Semitism in your bones, not even a sliver of it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: But say I think Israel. And I say this as
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: somebody who wears an Israel flagpen on my coat every day.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I've been to Israel a dozen or more times. I
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: treasure our relationship with Israel. What you just said about
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: the intellectual dishonesty, incidentally, is something I completely agree with.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you, but I will be a
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: little bit of a devil's advocate when I say I
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: push back with love. Just because you're not on board
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: with Israel doesn't make you an anti Semi. We've never
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: disagreed about that at all. But don't you think there
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: are people who do that? Don't you think there are
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: people who take that route.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And I think we have a responsibility as those who
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: are pointing out anti Semitism in others, Tucker, Candice maybe others,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: to make sure that we reserve space and reserve grace
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: for people who just ain't that big a fan of Israel,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: but who we don't think hate Jews. The Tucker red
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: flags to me are the they weave a magical spell
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: over people. Our entire economy is teetering because of our
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: fieldsy to the Jews. That's that's what That's what sends
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: me into towards my conclusion about.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Tucker well and and and that that that's fair. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I think we need to continue. All I would ask
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and we is we sort of get the uh to
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: be able to wrap up our very first podcast. And
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: thanks to everybody who's been checking. Are you looking any
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: of these comments this day?
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Robert?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Oh lord, okay, I need I know old and I'm
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: old and blind. Pardon me? Is I lean toward the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: laptop screen? Talk?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I can?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I can read some? Robert says, Satan has always wrapped
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: evil in truth. Jim writes, Jim read, I'm with Mark
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: on Tucker. Here's Annie. I'm with you Mark on Tucker
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what happened to him. And then
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: of course I love this when faith work, coaching, love
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: you all, this is great.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: And then finally Richard woohoo, two old guys talking on
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: YouTube because I'm an old guy too. I love it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Can you knock it off with being old? Please?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: But so so great.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: But as I wrap, as we wrap this conversation up,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I would like to end with saying this.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I would I.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Would submit to you that it's we need to persuade
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: and win over hearts and minds, not not personally attacked.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: And I will tell you the personal attacks against Tucker
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: are not productive Mark, They're just not a call.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, But when we say personal attacks.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Watch, he's crazy. He's an anti semi But what if
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: he's not?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Okay? But but but what if it is my studied
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: and thoughtful and and even tempered assessment that that he
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: at least is comfortable trafficking in the tropes of anti Semitism?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Am I supposed to not say that for fear of
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: being an unfair finger pointer.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: We're both friends of Mark Levin's right. I love Mark.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I've been known I've known him for years. You've known
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: him for years. Mark's position is flat out Tucker is
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: mentally deranged? Now is that a personal He's a lot
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: of things, and that's he's a lot of things. Do
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: you think he's mentally ill?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: See what I mean? You know what?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Since I don't know, I wouldn't say how about that?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Since I don't know, I wouldn't say I know that
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: his he he's taken a direction that I just just
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: just is dispiriting to me. Can I throw you up
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a curveball for our last few minutes here? Because there
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: is there is something we're going to do that we've
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: done precisely none of today, and that's okay because every
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: day is different, and it's just the glory of doing this.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Today has been an enormous amount of introduction, just fiendish,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: slavish devotion to introducing ourselves to this audience. And we're
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: so grateful everybody that's been hanging with us, and hey,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do this again tomorrow. And then the rest
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of it, and then we had our deep dive into Tuckerism,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: meaning that what's going to occupy a lot of time
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: any on any given day show covering kind of the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: hot stories of the day. We have done zero. So
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I want to try something for three four minutes and
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: we'll get out of here and come back tomorrow. I'm
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna bark out a top story of the day,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and you give me a handful of seconds on what
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: you think about it. Ready, fair enough? Death of Spirit
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Airlines go.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I love the drama about the the eight hundred pound
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: elephant in the room that points out that a lot
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: of people who aren't used to flying were flying Spirit Airlines.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: That's why there were fistfights, that's why there was bad
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: customer service. That I mean, some of the videos are hysterical.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: The biggest takeaway for me about the failure of Spirit
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: is the way the left pretended that it was due
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: to the Iran War that they went out of business.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Gas foota jet gas prices for three months. Yeah that,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: oh yeah that that completely bankrupted an airline. Spirit wanted
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: to merge with Jet Blue and the Biden administration shut
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: it down. We all know that, and they don't want
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: to take responsibility for it. So it's a it's too bad,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: but let's let's make sure the blame goes where the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: blame belongs.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Very good. Next thing, I hope that tomorrow or the
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: next or the next day, we're not seeing obituaries for Rudy.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But he is in ill health. He's in ICU. I
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's a it's a respiratory thing. Apparently, Rudy,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: we just talked about. You were in the Empire State
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Building nine to eleven. He was America. He is forever
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: America's mayor. To me, it's been a rough few years
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: at times since, but Rudy will. So let us pray
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: for recovery for him and lift him up in prayers.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan, I'm a lifelong fan of Ruddy for
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the things he has brought that I've loved. But give
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: me a minute or two on well Mayor.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: One of my happiest memories was as a WABC host
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: and we carry the Yankees. When the Yankees won the
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: World Series, we did a big broadcast from the ticker
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Tape Parade and I was on stage with Rudy Giuliani
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: and he used to call in. He used to call
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: when I did the morning show with Lionel. He would
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: call from his car and critique what we were doing
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: on the radio. And so imagine that line three Rudy's
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: online three doesn't like what you're saying, Mike about this
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: particular aspect of city Hall. But a guy who is
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: is just epic in nature and look continues to get
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: blasted by the legacy media because of his beliefs that
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: the election was rigged in twenty twenty and it's unfortunately
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: a part of how they're going to describe him. We're
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: praying for his recovery. We're praying for his good health,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: praying for his family, of course, Andrew Juliani, who has
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: been very active with the Trump administration. We're just all
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: we're just praying for his and you know, he's reportedly
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: on a ventilator with pneumonia.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: That's the latest.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Is he suffering from pneumonia at eighty one years old.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: So who we're praying. Let's lift him up in prayer
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: and hope amen all goes well, that we we have
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Rudy to talk about for a little more. And one
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: final thing, the thing you warned me not to bring up,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to and I'm going to tell you
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: because we got We got to because it's clearly stigmatic
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and we couldn't do this tomorrow because May the fifth
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: be with you makes a sinko to myow tomorrow. So
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: we have a definite, definite, festive observance of that. But today,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: of course I want to in a heartfelt way tell you, Mike,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: May the Fourth be with you. And you mocked me
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: about that, and it's to be mocked because all the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Star Wars dorks, God bless him. But do you know
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: who had listen? We know there's an algorithm and all
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: our devices are listening. Do you think your Twitter feed
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: is filled with stuff that you just talked about because
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: your laptop listens to you. I don't know. All I
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: know is that not long after you did this, if
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you badgered me about that a little bit about maya
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: get it? May the Force be with you, May the Fourth.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: You know who I saw who had done a May
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the Fourth be with you a post? That would be
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Harrison Ford. So I guess he can.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: I know if he can do it, anybody well? May
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Fourth twenty twenty six, episode one of the Mike and
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Mark eminem extra is in the can we did it?
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Nothing blew up. Eric is breathing into a brown paper bag.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: But we did it. Great job. My friend will do
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: it again tomorrow. Shall we see you, see you