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'Cruelty is the only explanation' Congressional candidate BLASTS Trumps family separation policy · DEEP INSIGHT

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  Speaker 1: Disturbing new reporting today about that deadly ICE shooting in
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  Speaker 1: Maine is raising enormous questions about the agency's vetting and
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  Speaker 1: training processes. As we reported on Monday, an ICE officer
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed a twenty six year old Columbian national
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  Speaker 1: named Joan Sebastian Guerrero in his car near his home.
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  Speaker 1: Guerrero was not actually the target of an ICE warrant,
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  Speaker 1: according to the officials briefed by the Department of Homeland Security,
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  Speaker 1: and the Associated Press has new reporting today about the
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  Speaker 1: officer who shot him, with several of the officer's own
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  Speaker 1: close relatives telling the AP that the officer is quote
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  Speaker 1: an Army veteran who has struggled with serious mental health
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  Speaker 1: issues since early childhood and never should have been given
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  Speaker 1: a badge and gun to patrol American streets. That reporting,
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  Speaker 1: according to the AP, is based on conversations with the
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  Speaker 1: man's ex wife and two daughters who spoke on the record,
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  Speaker 1: and another ex wife and an immediate family man who
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  Speaker 1: spoke on condition of anonymity. ICE did not confirm the
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  Speaker 1: officer's identity to the AP, and the officer did not
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  Speaker 1: respond to text messages or an email seeking comment. The
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  Speaker 1: ap writes that the officer quote told his ex wife
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  Speaker 1: late last year that he had been hired by ICE.
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  Speaker 1: She said that because of his long history of psychiatric issues,
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  Speaker 1: she thought he was having a mental health episode and
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  Speaker 1: she didn't believe him. She later spoke with CBS News.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that he was actually working for ICE
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  Speaker 2: until a yesterday, and I was completely shocked, because I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you keep getting into these jobs where you're
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  Speaker 2: around guns all the time. I told him that I
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  Speaker 2: was not going to lie for him, that I've waited
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  Speaker 2: years to speak my truth. I've been silenced long enough,
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  Speaker 2: and now I need to come out with everything because
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  Speaker 2: a man lost his life. So it was abuse not
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  Speaker 2: only to me but to our daughter, and even being
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  Speaker 2: divorced from him, I've delt with harassment, phone calls, threats
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  Speaker 2: of him wanting to kill me.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss is Brad Lander. He is
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  Speaker 1: the former New York City Controller. He is the Democratic
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  Speaker 1: nominee for Congress in New York's tenth district. So, Brad,
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about what you think the reporting. Thus,
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  Speaker 1: Fart tells us about the training that is being given
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  Speaker 1: to ICE ations and the vetting processes.
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  Speaker 3: For that matter, I think it tells us two important things.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's not much training or vetting. They've hired
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  Speaker 3: up twelve thousand new agents, and it's clear that they're
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  Speaker 3: not doing the background checks, that they're not providing the training.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing is, though, that a culture of cruelty
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  Speaker 3: and violence is part of what they're cultivating. They clearly
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  Speaker 3: want officers who are willing to act in cruel ways
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  Speaker 3: and to threaten people. The cruelty, in many ways is
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  Speaker 3: the point they want to scare people, have them afraid,
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  Speaker 3: and they're communicating to these offens is that there is
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  Speaker 3: not really accountability.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not really accountability. It seems like they're in
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  Speaker 1: a real hurry to get any warm body they can
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  Speaker 1: into these positions, and either they don't care or maybe
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  Speaker 1: they're even selecting on the fact that, you know, people
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  Speaker 1: want these jobs under this administration.
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  Speaker 3: You do in something and the federal government's going to lie
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  Speaker 3: and say, you know, the victim caused it, even though
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  Speaker 3: there's no evidence of that if you didn't have your
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  Speaker 3: body camera on.
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  Speaker 1: So what?
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  Speaker 3: In immigration court, I've seen folks like throw people to
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  Speaker 3: the ground and then just be back the next day.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So, speaking of immigration court, you have been regularly
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  Speaker 1: visiting immigration court despite being arrested a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: You recently met two boys, as I understand it, who
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  Speaker 1: have been separated from their parents, who are being held
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  Speaker 1: in iced attention with little or maybe no access to
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  Speaker 1: legal counsel. Can you tell us a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: their story.
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  Speaker 3: So the last two weeks, I've been in a docke
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  Speaker 3: that's for detained kids. These are kids who maybe their
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  Speaker 3: parents are here, they crossed with a different relation relatives,
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  Speaker 3: so if they were detained, they're put in custody with
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  Speaker 3: the Office of Refugee Resettlement or ARR. But that has
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  Speaker 3: gone up dramatically. There are many more detained children, more
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  Speaker 3: than twice as many than there were during the Biden administration,
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  Speaker 3: and the length of time they're being separated from their
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  Speaker 3: parents has grown. I was in court two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: There was the case of a three year old girl
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  Speaker 3: who our government has separated from her mother for ten months.
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  Speaker 3: Her mom is going through immigration proceedings, but the whole
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  Speaker 3: point is that she's supposed to be able to sponsor
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  Speaker 3: to get her daughter out, because while they're awaiting finding
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  Speaker 3: out whether they'll be able to stay here or not.
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  Speaker 3: What government on earth would separate a three year old
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  Speaker 3: from her mom. Yeah, And then this week there was
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  Speaker 3: one twelve year old boy who didn't have a lawyer,
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  Speaker 3: didn't have a child advocause.
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  Speaker 1: He just went up.
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  Speaker 3: He was brought in. He's in a shelter. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: that's how where he's being kept while he's separated from
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  Speaker 3: his mom, who's also in New York City. He goes
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  Speaker 3: up and sits at the witness desk and the judge
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  Speaker 3: is talking to him through an interpreter, telling him, here's
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  Speaker 3: your asylum application to fill out. He's twelve years old,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't speak English. And then there was this one
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  Speaker 3: sixteen year old who they called his dad in to
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  Speaker 3: fill out the sponsor paperwork to try to get him out,
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  Speaker 3: but it was a trick. It was Ice and not arr.
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  Speaker 3: He came in for the interview. Ice detained his father,
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  Speaker 3: like used his son as an abduction trap.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, as a trap as bait. Essentially, what is
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  Speaker 1: the government's possible excuse rationale for doing something like keeping
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  Speaker 1: a three year old girl from her mom for months
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  Speaker 1: when they are both here and the mom is not
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  Speaker 1: in detention or isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Mom is not in detention, she's in immigration proceeding, so
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  Speaker 3: she may not be allowed to stay. But no the mom.
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  Speaker 1: So what possible rationale can read in that case?
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  Speaker 3: What they said is that the mom's boyfriend has an
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  Speaker 3: ex girlfriend who lodged a domestic violence But I mean,
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  Speaker 3: so therefore we keep this three year old girl separated
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  Speaker 3: from her mom for ten months? I mean, really, cruelty
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  Speaker 3: is the only explanation.
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  Speaker 1: I also want to ask you about what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with these arrests at these courthouses. So one thing that
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  Speaker 1: has been striking that you've been observing an immigration court
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  Speaker 1: and that others have been reporting on, is that people
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  Speaker 1: are filing their paperwork, they're showing up for their court dates.
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  Speaker 1: They're getting arrested anyway. As I understand it, there was
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  Speaker 1: a federal court decision that says that at least in
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan ICE ICE agents cannot actually arrest people under these
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  Speaker 1: conditions in the courthouse, and they're doing it anyway. It's
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  Speaker 1: happened like six or seven.
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  Speaker 3: Times despite the order of a federal judge, Judge Costel.
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  Speaker 1: So why is it still happening?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, for a year they were doing it lawlessly,
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  Speaker 3: and it turned out they knew they were doing it lawlessly.
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  Speaker 3: The US Attorney for the Southern District, actually Jay Clayton,
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  Speaker 3: who's now up to be the head of National Intelligence.
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  Speaker 3: He had to come forth to the judge and say,
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  Speaker 3: your honor, the memo we were relying on does not apply.
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  Speaker 3: It never applied. And so Judge Costell said, WHOA, no
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  Speaker 3: more arrests.
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  Speaker 1: In these courthouses.
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  Speaker 3: People need to know they can come to the courthouse
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  Speaker 3: for their case without being grabbed in the hallway. But still, yes,
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  Speaker 3: ICE has done seven or eight arrests in the hallways
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  Speaker 3: despite a direct federal order not to do them.
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  Speaker 1: I also want to ask you about something that DHS
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  Speaker 1: Secretary Mark Wayne Mallin has said today. He said that
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  Speaker 1: any calls to turn down the temperature regarding ICE enforcement
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  Speaker 1: apply only to the media, not to ICE officers. Let's
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  Speaker 1: listen to that.
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  Speaker 3: Did you mentioned turning down the temperature?
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  Speaker 4: What assurance can you hear, American Ice Office?
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  Speaker 3: If you good by data.
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  Speaker 1: Use of Force College.
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  Speaker 4: When I say turned down the temperature? Were I turned
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  Speaker 4: out the temperature with you? Guys? We're turning up the
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  Speaker 4: heat on the streets. We're out there working harder than
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  Speaker 4: we ever had because we've empowered our law enforcement to
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  Speaker 4: do their job. What I'm trying to do is remove
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  Speaker 4: us from the headlines every single day, but everybody will
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  Speaker 4: be held accountable.
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  Speaker 1: A thing to say, after we've had two deaths, two
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  Speaker 1: shooting deaths.
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  Speaker 3: They killed two people that were not even the people
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  Speaker 3: they were looking to peacefully arrest. Presumably even the people
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  Speaker 3: they were looking for only committed civil offenses. But these
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  Speaker 3: two people they weren't looking for at all. They shot
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  Speaker 3: them to death. And he blames the media.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he blames the media, says, you know, keep us
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  Speaker 1: out of the headlines, let us act with impunity.
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  Speaker 3: And it's important to know that, you know, well over
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  Speaker 3: half more like seventy and some states eighty percent of
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  Speaker 3: people in niced attention have no criminal charges whatsoever.