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Hot takes after Preseason Week 2 vs. Steelers | Jags Drive Time: Thursday, August 18 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive John with Ashlyn Sellofseller, John Oshan,
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Speaker 1: Brian Sex right and starts right now. I honestly, I
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Speaker 1: think that we're just showing us a little bit um.
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Speaker 1: You know, this offense is capable of a lot if
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Speaker 1: you have a lot of dynamic guys and you know,
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Speaker 1: schematically based off the whole we're playing, Um, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of areas where can take advantage of defenses. And
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Speaker 1: so that'll be a you know, a great thing to see,
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Speaker 1: an exciting thing to be able to attack. You know,
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Speaker 1: once we get into Washington, whide receiver Christian Kirk kind
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Speaker 1: of seeing the obvious that we have not seen much
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Speaker 1: of this offense coming off the third presea game against
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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. One more week of training camp with
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons, and we were onto the regular season.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaguars Drive time on a Monday, Ashland Sullivan,
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton and John Osier back with us. The gangs
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Speaker 1: all back together. Don't worry. A little older and a
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Speaker 1: little more compete, That's okay, We're back together. That's all
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Speaker 1: that matters. All right, Let's quickly recap this preseason game
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Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh Steelers and we move on to the Atlanta
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Speaker 1: Falcons this week. You want to see them take a
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Speaker 1: step forward, and they did, but I think people assume
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Speaker 1: to be a jump and it wasn't a jump. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: there have been a playoff team a lot lately. I
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Speaker 1: know they don't have their starting quarterback from the last
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Speaker 1: two decades, but you've got guys like t J. Watt
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Speaker 1: out there on the field. They make place too. So
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Speaker 1: I saw some things and we're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: it in big things that I liked um and I
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Speaker 1: saw some things that made me say, they're close, but
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Speaker 1: they're not there. And of course that's what everyone said
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Speaker 1: John in the locker room afterwards, is we had to
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Speaker 1: go back to practice and clean these things up. So
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Speaker 1: some of them are timing issues, other them are just sloppy.
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Speaker 1: They just gotta fix some some things. Look, I say,
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Speaker 1: I've been on in a while, so I'm all right.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what people expected from this team this year.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to go seventeen, and no, they're not
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Speaker 1: gonna be the best team in the league. But they
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Speaker 1: are really improved. And maybe I'm not just talking about
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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh game. You're talking about an offense. Now, seven possessions,
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Speaker 1: they scored, five times, they settled for field goals. But
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Speaker 1: they're moving the ball. How many times last year do
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Speaker 1: we watch this team, you know, the first five series?
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Speaker 1: One first down? So no, they're not there yet, but
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Speaker 1: they are moving. Trevor's making plays on third down to
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Speaker 1: get them first downs. He's throwing the ball downfield. He's
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Speaker 1: not as consistent, and they're not as consistent as they
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Speaker 1: want to be. But you know, you're talking about seven
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Speaker 1: preseason series right now, let's hold off and this is
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Speaker 1: my big thing or hot take, whatever we call it
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Speaker 1: now because I've been gone about three years. But you know,
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Speaker 1: they're okay and they're getting better. You know, they were here,
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Speaker 1: you where they were the four games they won four
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Speaker 1: games for the last two years, and so that explains
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Speaker 1: some of the issues that we're seeing. They've gotten better.
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Speaker 1: What is better? Mean what we're gonna find out And
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Speaker 1: don't forget, by the way, that game planning for last
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Speaker 1: Saturday night was last Thursday and Friday with cards, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and that they're they're trying to see things
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Speaker 1: and get things done. Now that doesn't excuse you know,
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Speaker 1: are it passes and drop passes and miss blocks. They're
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Speaker 1: gonna be better with those things. That's what this is for.
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Speaker 1: That's what Wednesday and Thursday in particular are for. Well
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Speaker 1: guess what, even when they're good, they're gonna do that.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a few of those. I just uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, the vitul It's a word I learned I
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Speaker 1: was gone. It is unbelievable about what they're not seeing.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I've I've come back. His glass have full. Guys
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Speaker 1: like this guy. I like what I'm seeing so far,
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Speaker 1: all right, but leads us into big things. That's big
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Speaker 1: thing one is better, be better. While we've seen some
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Speaker 1: steady improvements throughout the preseason, preseason, the expectation was you
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Speaker 1: would make the big jump against the Pittsburgh Steelers converting
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Speaker 1: the third downs and scoring field goals instead of touchdowns.
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Speaker 1: Is everyone talking and coach Peterson says, yeah, we gotta
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Speaker 1: be better. Yeah, not good enough. You know, I'm not
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Speaker 1: good enough. We gotta finish drives with with scores, you know,
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Speaker 1: and and um, that's something we talked about and work on,
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Speaker 1: you know, quite a bit with the red zone, and
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Speaker 1: we just gotta keep working. You know, the offense understands
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Speaker 1: that one. We gotta run the football in the red zone,
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Speaker 1: you know, number one. And we tried to do that
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Speaker 1: tonight and and um, you know that wasn't good enough.
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Speaker 1: And uh, we just gotta keep keep plugging away, you know,
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Speaker 1: and and and look at it, and um, you know,
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Speaker 1: get better and make sure we get the right guys
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Speaker 1: in there, and and uh, you know, get ready here
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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Big thing too, is better perspective.
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Speaker 1: Quarterback Trevor Lawrence fourteen completions on twenty one attempts, and
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Speaker 1: most will pay attention to the miss third down throws
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Speaker 1: to Christian Kirk early in the game. It's the ups
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Speaker 1: and downs of the preseason for Trevor Lawrence. But we
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Speaker 1: have the perspective that Kirk and this Trevor connection is
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Speaker 1: going to be pretty good. Yeah, I mean it's different,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's similar different from him for him one
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Speaker 1: because it is full live all the time and that's
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Speaker 1: not how it isn't practice. But then also for me
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Speaker 1: and throwing to him as time clock speeds up a
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Speaker 1: little bit, especially when you're playing against you know, got T. J. Watt,
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Speaker 1: who obviously is a great pass rusher and um, so
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Speaker 1: that was great for our our group to get to
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Speaker 1: work through that and have a couple of series against
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Speaker 1: all those guys and it's like a real game. And
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Speaker 1: to have three what ten plus played drives. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's exact, but some long drive
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Speaker 1: so I thought it was. I thought it was great. Um.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, and the rest of Christian obviously it's our
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Speaker 1: first game playing together. That's gonna get better and better.
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Speaker 1: Sight it's a nice things. And I missed him on
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Speaker 1: on one or two um early that i'd like to
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Speaker 1: have back and but we're gonna we'll connect on those
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Speaker 1: and big thing three is better. Get ready up next
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Speaker 1: to joint practice the Atlanta Falcons Thursday, Wednesday and Thursday
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Speaker 1: at one o'clock. So what it's going to be hot
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. The team looking forward to getting some work
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Speaker 1: with the Falcons. Definitely, it's it's new conversation to me.
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Speaker 1: It's it's always great to hate somebody else sending our teammates,
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Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes it can be a brown you
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Speaker 1: never know, so especially in the in the high heat.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just hoping that we're able to go out
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Speaker 1: pads get better and now you have it. That is
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Speaker 1: big things. You go back to Saturday's game against the Steelers,
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Speaker 1: and I think the most glaring while we did see improvements,
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Speaker 1: everyone's going to talk about early in the game, when
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Speaker 1: you have those long offensive drives and you see promise
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Speaker 1: they get field goals instead of touchdowns, and that brings
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Speaker 1: us back to last year. I get a lot of
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Speaker 1: times they weren't in a situation even get fuel goals.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's what gets fans going is oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, here we go again. They can't score on
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Speaker 1: the red zone. Well, this is not here we go again.
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Speaker 1: This is much better than last year. UM. And I
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Speaker 1: love the fact that Doug and Trevor stand on the
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Speaker 1: podium talking about this not being good enough. You don't
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Speaker 1: want them echo and me saying, oh it's great that
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Speaker 1: they move the ball, UM, but you're seeing them put
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Speaker 1: themselves in situations where now one play, go back and
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Speaker 1: work on one thing, go back and work on this
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Speaker 1: can get them over the top. I just go back
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Speaker 1: to they've had seven preseason drives and one three and out.
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Speaker 1: They're getting first downs they're moving the ball. This is
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Speaker 1: on offense that has played together for seven series. Um,
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Speaker 1: I didn't expect them to be a well old machine,
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Speaker 1: putting the ball in the end zone five times on
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Speaker 1: the first seven drive. I like what I'm saying that
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Speaker 1: maybe I've come back to Aftermai. No, no you haven't. No, no,
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Speaker 1: you haven't, because there were times last year they were
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Speaker 1: down sixteen to nothing in the opening preseason game, right,
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Speaker 1: this is Trevor Lawrence's first action against the Browns. Remember that,
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Speaker 1: And they're down sixteen and nothing and they showed nothing. Right, Well,
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Speaker 1: this year they're leading thirteen to nothing and it didn't
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Speaker 1: fall apart until the second team got in there and
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Speaker 1: and Jeff Cotton couldn't hold the ball and they returned it.
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Speaker 1: You know, the same thing. You're moving the ball up
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Speaker 1: and down. You've got the pieces in place, operating intentionally
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Speaker 1: at its lowest level, right in terms of its complexity,
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Speaker 1: just simple stuff. They've gotta get better. I mean I don't.
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Speaker 1: I can't think of a better example. And that could
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Speaker 1: be totally wrong with this, but you were in Indie
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Speaker 1: and they added Reggie Wayne. How long did it take
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Speaker 1: for Marvin and Marvin for Marvin Reggie and Peyton Manning
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Speaker 1: to be so elite and efficient that they could do
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Speaker 1: whatever whenever they wanted. That didn't happen right out of
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Speaker 1: the game, did it. It took really Reggy third year,
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Speaker 1: but really fourth year to get going. So it does
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Speaker 1: take time when you add all these explosive pieces. When
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Speaker 1: you see them on the first play of the game
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Speaker 1: against the Browns, go deep down to s A John
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Speaker 1: go okay. Then they come back with Travis E t N.
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Speaker 1: Same thing e t N and a couple of really
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Speaker 1: nice runs in the middle of the field the other night.
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Speaker 1: All right. And then, by the way, we're spending all
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Speaker 1: this time pulling our hair at about the the offense.
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Speaker 1: How about the defensive front. That's the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'll
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Speaker 1: say it again, the Pittsburgh Steelers, whose identity is based
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Speaker 1: in physical control the line of scrimmage football and the
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Speaker 1: front four dominated. They got pressure with four. Hey man,
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Speaker 1: if you can do that. And we had Trent Bulky
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Speaker 1: in the television booth in the third quarter, and when
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Speaker 1: I brought it up, the big smile, I mean, the
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Speaker 1: things that you can do when you can only rush
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Speaker 1: for how much better does that make? Everyone on the
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Speaker 1: back end, and we haven't seen Devin Lloyd yet. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot to be happy about. Here's four things
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Speaker 1: that you love what Brian is talking about. How many
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Speaker 1: times have we sat here and how many times have
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Speaker 1: I taken question from fans? New players come in and
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Speaker 1: they do nothing. Travis Etn has looked like you hoped
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Speaker 1: he would look. I spent all of the better than
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Speaker 1: I thought saying he's better than I thought he would be, healthy,
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Speaker 1: meaning quicker, tougher, all those things. Christian Kirk, the big
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Speaker 1: free agent signing everybody wanted to rip, came into a
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Speaker 1: preseason game called five Past. How many times have we
9:33
Speaker 1: sat here and apologizing for a underrafted I mean, not
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Speaker 1: for an interstricted free agent who did nothing in the
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Speaker 1: first couple of preseason games. He could have come out
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Speaker 1: and done nothing. We're talking about that he had five kits.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna fit in, He's gonna be really good. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna be an outside guy, but I think he's going
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Speaker 1: to be a great inside receiver. Slaky which with the
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Speaker 1: leagus thriving on right now. Z Jones, you know these
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Speaker 1: guys who boy undered what they were and they and
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Speaker 1: they are showing what they are good and it's just
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Speaker 1: the preseason and full positive. And then you have to
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Speaker 1: have a little bit of faith in a coach who
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Speaker 1: has a championship pedigree both as a player managing game
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Speaker 1: right as a I mean, just god, we're gonna the
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Speaker 1: week of opener, We're just gonna go back to last
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Speaker 1: year and just rip um. But a coach who understands
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Speaker 1: how to get things done right, they know what it's
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Speaker 1: supposed to look like, and it does. The execution is
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Speaker 1: not there. Hey, that's just let's I'll pull my hair
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Speaker 1: out after the Washington game. If if we're seeing the
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Speaker 1: stupid little mistakes killing this team still, I don't think
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Speaker 1: that we will, right, that's not predicting a win. I
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Speaker 1: just think we'll see them in the regular season play
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Speaker 1: to a better standard than they are right now. It's
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Speaker 1: a positive that Doug knows what he's not seeing that
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Speaker 1: he needs to see, which is the finishing drives, the
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Speaker 1: big plays. There's a sound the wall talking about explosives.
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Speaker 1: You know, Doug knows it. In this league, you need
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Speaker 1: to finish and you need to score three is nine
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Speaker 1: equal seven? You need seven on drives. But I also
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Speaker 1: think he knows it's there. They just got to get
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Speaker 1: it out of it. I don't think it was their last, right,
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Speaker 1: so I know you gotta go a break. But real quick,
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Speaker 1: what was the defining play of the game the other night?
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Speaker 1: That determines whether you're a half fuller or a half
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Speaker 1: empty person. Right, Some people will say the defining play
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Speaker 1: the game was the drop pass on third down in
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Speaker 1: the red zone. Not to me that if only played
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Speaker 1: the game was Tyson Campbell taking out George Pickens, Right,
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Speaker 1: that was the fun part to see this defense. And
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Speaker 1: he stood in the locker room after the game and said,
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Speaker 1: we were having fun out there. I can't wait to
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Speaker 1: see what we can do together in Washington opening day.
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Speaker 1: And to me, that define think that's what he's gonna be,
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Speaker 1: right if he can do that once a game and
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Speaker 1: showcase that. Now it's just getting the consistency to do that.
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Speaker 1: There's lots to be happy to see the flashes, absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: that is big things when we come back. Some highlights
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Speaker 1: from a preseason game against the Steelers coming up. A
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Speaker 1: good pods of takeaways from from tonight, you know with
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Speaker 1: the with the starters and feel good there and and
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Speaker 1: um you know, the young guys are gonna learn. There
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Speaker 1: were some good things that they did, um, but you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously the sort of the obvious things, right or are
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Speaker 1: you know we can't turn the ball over in the
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Speaker 1: red zone? We got we got points there again potentially
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Speaker 1: and you know, um, you know we gotta tackle better
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Speaker 1: and you know the things of that nature in the
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Speaker 1: second half. But I think if you look at where
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Speaker 1: we are as um starters, you know, uh, I think
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Speaker 1: we're right on track to where we where we need
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Speaker 1: to be and where we want to be. And that
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Speaker 1: gives us a lot of um, a lot of hope
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Speaker 1: as we head into the head into the regular season.
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Speaker 1: Head coach Doug Peterson on the starter's performance against the
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. Really only three more chances to see these
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Speaker 1: starters in the preseason Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday practice. We
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Speaker 1: don't expect them to play against the Falcons. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to Jaguars Drive time on a Monday. We have some
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Speaker 1: highlights for you recapping a preseason game. We're going to
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Speaker 1: go straight to the offense and we picked the best
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Speaker 1: drive from Trevor Lawrence to show you where we seemed
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Speaker 1: like things were clicking, Trevor under pressure turns in fires
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Speaker 1: the burning Lawrence looks left, turns and throws and he's
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Speaker 1: got his process. Curs to Perker to pick two yard line,
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Speaker 1: turns up the field between two the credits, ats got
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Speaker 1: the twelve. Now that is the drive that ends in
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Speaker 1: a field goal. But this was the third drive where
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Speaker 1: you really felt but Trevor came into his own, felt comfortable,
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Speaker 1: and just looked like a more confident quarterback. That's the
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Speaker 1: sideline shot you're talking about the game. It's uh, he
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Speaker 1: does this all the time and we haven't seen it
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Speaker 1: in ten twelve years. May being back, I H I
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Speaker 1: get that. The consistency. He missed the third down to
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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk off to the left. Um, he's got to
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Speaker 1: hit those. But I don't think he's going to be
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Speaker 1: uber accuracy guy uh in the sense of having a
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Speaker 1: lot of twenty two for twenty four games. I think
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Speaker 1: early in his career he's going to to work at
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Speaker 1: that accuracy and work at that consistency. It's the big
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Speaker 1: plays that he hits. It's it's that play, it's the
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Speaker 1: play to Christian Kirk, It's his ability to go to
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Speaker 1: second and third level and third down to make plays.
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Speaker 1: I think that part is going to make up for
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Speaker 1: maybe he will be uber accurate guy. But I think
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Speaker 1: his big play, what he looks for, the throws he
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Speaker 1: makes give me supreme confidence that he's going to be elite. Well,
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Speaker 1: just to show how he lead that passes right where
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Speaker 1: he it should have been intercepted in many and in
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Speaker 1: many respects if the ball is any flatter, But he
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Speaker 1: just dropped it over that defender. And but you heard
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks on the call where he's like right because
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Speaker 1: he saw the same thing that you did. And just
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Speaker 1: to go back on the drive where E. J. Perry
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Speaker 1: was intercepted, that pretty much ended the game. He had
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Speaker 1: the almost exact same throw rolling to his right with
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Speaker 1: Jeff Cotton alone at the two yard line, and he
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Speaker 1: couldn't do it. He couldn't put the ball in the spot.
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Speaker 1: If he does, they score Jack's with right. So it's
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Speaker 1: not an easy throw to make. And if he's making
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Speaker 1: such a difficult throw, look effortless like he did, John
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Speaker 1: correct And I love the finger way because that's really
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Speaker 1: not him to do anything celebration. They show it um
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Speaker 1: in the replay and Trevor was asked about it after
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Speaker 1: the game, and he was like, I'm just having fun.
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Speaker 1: Like don't freak out, Like, don't get used to that.
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Speaker 1: But to see that confidence, we haven't seen it. She's
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Speaker 1: having fine. He's supposed to be a playmaker. He's the
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Speaker 1: guy who has to do things. You draft a guy
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Speaker 1: number one overall quarterback and you're building around him. By definition,
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't do special things four or five times
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Speaker 1: a year, they're not going to be special, you know.
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Speaker 1: And I'm saying four or five times a year. Where
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Speaker 1: he's standing and he's the podium guy on Sports Center
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Speaker 1: and you're hear him talk about special. He has to
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Speaker 1: be above the XS and ose guy. He has to
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Speaker 1: make huge plays. He's showing he can do that. So
15:57
Speaker 1: is that a fair thing to expect to guy? I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but number one overall, So that's what he's
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Speaker 1: got to be. He's showing it. He's going to be
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Speaker 1: able to do that. I think the phrase that people
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Speaker 1: should take away from your conversation here is early in
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Speaker 1: his career. And he started seventeen games. He's so early
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Speaker 1: in his career. When you talk about a franchise quarterback,
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Speaker 1: you start thinking now in terms of fifteen, sixteen, eighteen
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Speaker 1: years with a player. He's not even eighteen games into
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Speaker 1: it yet, right, pump the brakes, right, All right, Let's
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Speaker 1: go to this defense, which should we have not given
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Speaker 1: enough credit for. We've talked about this offense the entire
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Speaker 1: game because that's what everyone wants to talk about. But
16:27
Speaker 1: we're at the point with this defense in the first
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Speaker 1: two halves we're writing our notes for halftime, saying their
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Speaker 1: lights out, and then this two minute drive happens. But
16:35
Speaker 1: thank goodness, it's the preseason and nuts, while you practice
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Speaker 1: these two minute drives, that's a good jen pressure coming.
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Speaker 1: There's a quick sauce, a quiet the tighter, there's wide open,
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Speaker 1: he's down with a ten yard lock picking snow, and
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Speaker 1: he's reaching for the NFL who's got the touchdown at
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Speaker 1: the layo shot. So he could have chose to show
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Speaker 1: all the good of the defense, and there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of good. And I think an example about is
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Speaker 1: Chad MoMA gets nearly an interception, he misses that place,
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Speaker 1: so you see what Chad movement the good in the
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Speaker 1: bat and alright, Coach Peterson at the end of the
17:09
Speaker 1: game says, yeah, that's why I sent them back out there.
17:11
Speaker 1: This drive wasn't good enough. Chad mom was a rookie
17:14
Speaker 1: and we saw him in Canton look about a half
17:16
Speaker 1: a step behind, right, and then we saw him last
17:19
Speaker 1: week against Cleveland make up for that. Okay, so it
17:22
Speaker 1: was half a step behind on Snell there. He's gonna
17:24
Speaker 1: have to learn to make up for that. But he's
17:26
Speaker 1: a rookie, third round draft pick who's playing a lot
17:28
Speaker 1: more right now because Devin Lloyd is not. So maybe
17:31
Speaker 1: give him a chance to get better, all right, he will. Yeah,
17:34
Speaker 1: I don't worry about Chad Movie. I don't know. I
17:36
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be really, really good. And yes, this
17:39
Speaker 1: drive is disturbing. I think think I think Doug did
17:42
Speaker 1: the right thing sending him back out. Um, but the
17:46
Speaker 1: pressure that this team is going to be able to
17:48
Speaker 1: put on again, I keep going back to uh glass
17:53
Speaker 1: half full guy. Before that drive, they had had seven
17:56
Speaker 1: straight drives not allowed to score in a free season.
17:59
Speaker 1: I get this only priest season, but if the starters
18:04
Speaker 1: played a half that you have seven points seven times
18:07
Speaker 1: to his watch, very goo, that's fourteen in the game.
18:11
Speaker 1: You hold a team under seven years, expect you're supposed
18:14
Speaker 1: well in the NFL these days, if you hold the
18:16
Speaker 1: under twenty, you got to win. I mean, it's a
18:18
Speaker 1: scoring league. And again I go back to the last
18:21
Speaker 1: year giving up fourteen. You've been doing cartwheels most games
18:27
Speaker 1: for that, So, uh, I guess I just go back
18:30
Speaker 1: to the fact they're putting pressure on They are getting
18:33
Speaker 1: themselves in situation where they're pressuring in the quarterback, either
18:35
Speaker 1: getting sacks or making it difficult enough that the quarterback
18:40
Speaker 1: is going to make mistakes. They really haven't done that
18:43
Speaker 1: since eighteen. If this defense is as good as it
18:47
Speaker 1: has looked, and I don't know if it is because
18:49
Speaker 1: you don't know the regular season, If it's really what
18:51
Speaker 1: it has shown the last two weeks, this team is
18:54
Speaker 1: gonna be much better than I thought, and it's gonna
18:56
Speaker 1: push for five and it's going to set up the
18:59
Speaker 1: offense with overs, with short fields, with key moments where
19:02
Speaker 1: the swing goes their way. The concern that I had
19:05
Speaker 1: for this defense, I know what that was. I'm not
19:07
Speaker 1: worried about. It was fully fought to COSI coming off
19:09
Speaker 1: what appears to be a calf injury, which he's he's
19:12
Speaker 1: had through the course of training camp. Right um, now
19:15
Speaker 1: they have a couple of weeks to shut him down. Thankfully.
19:18
Speaker 1: He is so important. You talked about all that the
19:20
Speaker 1: guys on offense, they added, let me tell you something,
19:22
Speaker 1: fully fought Tokasi is a geast at that defensive end.
19:26
Speaker 1: I mean the way he stacks the line of scrimmage,
19:29
Speaker 1: which allows Josh Allen and fully Are Foyer and tray
19:34
Speaker 1: Von to pursue to the ball. Oh man, he is
19:38
Speaker 1: so important in my hot tack. I'm going to explain
19:40
Speaker 1: it more. He has to be healthy. Yeah, and he
19:42
Speaker 1: came off the field but has been dealing with that
19:44
Speaker 1: calf injury. You hope now shut him down for two
19:46
Speaker 1: three to six week injury if it's bad, right, um,
19:50
Speaker 1: And even if it's if it's three weeks, you could
19:52
Speaker 1: have him back by the open. Now we have got
19:53
Speaker 1: an update from Doug. I'm just guessing on that, right.
19:56
Speaker 1: But I heard Jeff log I've been talking about in
19:57
Speaker 1: the post game, and when he went to the calf,
19:59
Speaker 1: he said, excuse me what he's concerned about? So you
20:01
Speaker 1: got to give him a little time to get better. Absolutely,
20:04
Speaker 1: and that is I apologize. Can we go to break John? Yes? Okay,
20:08
Speaker 1: if you say so. That was highlights from a preseason
20:10
Speaker 1: game against the Steelers, and we come back some hot
20:12
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20:30
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20:32
Speaker 1: with cappuccino's ready to rumble. I'm gonna have a cappuccino waiting. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'll buy it for you to take you and then
20:37
Speaker 1: I'll expense it. Alright, our girl, we have a lot
20:42
Speaker 1: to talk about. After the third preseason game, we saw
20:44
Speaker 1: some takeaway so it is time for hot takes on
20:47
Speaker 1: a Monday morning. Brian Sex and what he got a
20:48
Speaker 1: blistering one buckle up for it? Um and and here's why,
20:51
Speaker 1: here's why, fully thoughts is such a key part. You
20:55
Speaker 1: realize that they held the Steelers and it wasn't Nagi Harris,
20:59
Speaker 1: but it's a powerful offensive scheme to eight rushing yards
21:03
Speaker 1: in the first half. Eight um when you see what
21:06
Speaker 1: they're capable of doing with that front, I'm telling you
21:09
Speaker 1: that I believe we will see the best run defense
21:11
Speaker 1: that this team has had since either two thousand six
21:13
Speaker 1: or seven. Now the best run defense in Jaguars history
21:16
Speaker 1: with two thousand three eighty seven point three yards per game, right,
21:20
Speaker 1: that is sensational. That was with Marcus Drowd, John Anderson,
21:23
Speaker 1: and Mike Peterson. UM in two thousand six they allowed
21:26
Speaker 1: ninety seven point seven and in two thousand seven they
21:30
Speaker 1: allowed a hundred point three. I'm saying that this run
21:34
Speaker 1: defensive it's if Folly's on the field. With the addition
21:36
Speaker 1: of Foyer and Devin Lloyd and Trayvon Walker, I think
21:40
Speaker 1: this run defense will get down into that one hundred
21:44
Speaker 1: to one hundred yards per game. On one um, the
21:48
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen was one hundred point three yards per
21:51
Speaker 1: game and the two thousand one team was one point five.
21:53
Speaker 1: They could crack the top five if if those guys
21:55
Speaker 1: are all healthy all year long, they are committed to
21:58
Speaker 1: stopping the run, They're going to sell out to stop
22:00
Speaker 1: the run at all costs. And I think from what
22:03
Speaker 1: I saw the other night, they have the horses, they
22:06
Speaker 1: have the guys in the trenches and the speed behind
22:09
Speaker 1: them to do it. Hot take, they're going to be
22:11
Speaker 1: at a run defense in the top five in Jaguars history. Wow,
22:17
Speaker 1: I like it. That is a blistering one. Blistering What
22:20
Speaker 1: do you think, John, I like it? Um, I believe it.
22:24
Speaker 1: And I was gonna switch my hot take, and I
22:27
Speaker 1: switched with my I'm stick of my hot take even
22:28
Speaker 1: though it's gonna be this. Can't just come back and
22:30
Speaker 1: switched things. Um. I agree with you based on this. Um,
22:37
Speaker 1: this defense to me looks fast. It looks very stout
22:40
Speaker 1: up front and we and the point you made in
22:43
Speaker 1: the last segment was something I think he's been talked
22:46
Speaker 1: about a lot. We haven't even added Devon Lloyd to
22:49
Speaker 1: the mix. And he's the guy who is supposed to
22:52
Speaker 1: be sort of the Swiss army knife, if you will,
22:56
Speaker 1: who can make plays, who does things above the xs
22:58
Speaker 1: and os, if they are this stout and this fast
23:03
Speaker 1: to the ball. Now, and you can add in the
23:06
Speaker 1: guy who once a half does something behind the line
23:10
Speaker 1: of scrimmage where he's standing up and doing that. Yeah,
23:14
Speaker 1: he's fired up. Which he's that guy there. They look
23:19
Speaker 1: pretty good even without that element. He's the guy who
23:22
Speaker 1: may be able to turn what we're seeing into impact plays,
23:26
Speaker 1: plays going the other way, turnover type things. Uh yeah,
23:30
Speaker 1: I think if what we're seeing is real, then it's
23:34
Speaker 1: got a chance to be a special run defense. Combined
23:38
Speaker 1: with the fact that they can get for the quarterback
23:40
Speaker 1: and they will be able. You always talk about earning
23:43
Speaker 1: the right to rush the past or this team looks
23:45
Speaker 1: like it'll be able to do that and get to
23:47
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Just to wrap on that, Roy Robertson, Harris
23:49
Speaker 1: Von Hamilton fully fought Tukasi unheroalded the first two preseason
23:53
Speaker 1: games in which they've played. But guys who have dominated
23:56
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and set up everyone for success
23:58
Speaker 1: around them in the limited series we've seen them. Those
24:00
Speaker 1: guys are never going to get the credit that they
24:02
Speaker 1: deserve because they don't put up big numbers, and numbers
24:04
Speaker 1: is what sells in social media and all that crap.
24:07
Speaker 1: Those guys make everything work. Yes, absolutely, all right, John,
24:10
Speaker 1: to your emails, My hot take is the same thing
24:13
Speaker 1: I've been talking about the whole show. Believe it or not.
24:16
Speaker 1: I'm getting emails who are worried about Trevor Lawrence. I
24:20
Speaker 1: got more emails after that game on Saturday with concerns
24:25
Speaker 1: about Trevor what he's not doing, then saying, hey, the
24:29
Speaker 1: kid looks good. Uh, they're worried about him. I'm not.
24:33
Speaker 1: I've seen nothing to make me think that he's not
24:36
Speaker 1: going to be really, really, really good. I don't know
24:39
Speaker 1: if he's a Rushmore guy top four of all time.
24:41
Speaker 1: I don't know who he's going to be better than
24:44
Speaker 1: in the league. I do know that what we're seeing
24:48
Speaker 1: the throws that he's making, his ability to go to
24:50
Speaker 1: the second level quickly to make throws down field. UM,
24:55
Speaker 1: I think the consistency part will improve over time. I
24:59
Speaker 1: don't think you can do the things that he's showing
25:02
Speaker 1: unless you're good, and I think you can build everything
25:04
Speaker 1: up to support that. I got a text from one
25:06
Speaker 1: of my sons who told me about all of the
25:09
Speaker 1: social media worry and fear about Trevor, and he said,
25:14
Speaker 1: what do you think? And I said, I think you
25:15
Speaker 1: should turn that off. I said, because everyone's an expert
25:18
Speaker 1: on social media, and the reality of it is is
25:20
Speaker 1: that you experts give these players time to develop. They
25:25
Speaker 1: know that it takes time for them to be ready
25:28
Speaker 1: to go again. If you're looking at him over the
25:31
Speaker 1: course of eighteen seasons. Right, he's not played eighteen games yet. Relax, Relax.
25:37
Speaker 1: I will say this too. He's been sensational on the
25:39
Speaker 1: practice field, right, And I think that's the hold up
25:41
Speaker 1: as people don't see that. No one does. Right, he
25:44
Speaker 1: has been really, really good on the practice field, which
25:47
Speaker 1: is why I'm excited. I'm worried. I'm excited to see
25:50
Speaker 1: him when the season begins. Right. And you see that
25:52
Speaker 1: throw where he gives them no, no, no. You see
25:54
Speaker 1: that on the training camp field once a week. But
25:56
Speaker 1: and I understand now the hesitation when you have to say, Okay,
25:59
Speaker 1: we'll do it on the game field. Don't get ahead
26:00
Speaker 1: of the story on this one. Otherwise you'll be like, oh,
26:02
Speaker 1: I didn't really mean that. I know, I really meant
26:04
Speaker 1: that he was good. I just was, you know, kind
26:05
Speaker 1: of pointing it out right. No, No, don't get ahead
26:07
Speaker 1: of the story on this absolutely all right. My hot
26:09
Speaker 1: take is all about Art and Key in this defense.
26:12
Speaker 1: And we're at the point of free agency where all
26:14
Speaker 1: we talked about was Christian Kirk that month. And I
26:16
Speaker 1: go back to say Jones and true Fleet, you didn't
26:18
Speaker 1: think much about him and free age, and you didn't
26:20
Speaker 1: think much about this guy. And at the point the
26:22
Speaker 1: started training camp, you thought, all right, this is just
26:24
Speaker 1: gonna be a role player on defense, a nice edition,
26:27
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a Dawant Smoot, A nice
26:29
Speaker 1: edition Smoot and Art and Key. Now at the point
26:32
Speaker 1: where I think they have to be more than that,
26:33
Speaker 1: they'd be more than nice edition. Art and Key is
26:35
Speaker 1: becoming the highlight of preseason games at the least, making
26:39
Speaker 1: the first big defensive play on Saturday, and really more
26:42
Speaker 1: a third down guy. At the point now where I'm wondering,
26:44
Speaker 1: is he pushing Roy Robertson Harris to be more than
26:47
Speaker 1: just a little versatile piece. Is he pushing him to
26:50
Speaker 1: be on the field more Because you talk about showing
26:53
Speaker 1: it on the preseason field, here's a great example of
26:55
Speaker 1: a guy doing it. You're saying that dwant smooth starts
26:58
Speaker 1: in front of Roy Robertson. Here, I'm saying Art and
27:01
Speaker 1: Key and wants are pushing or Robinson. Here's what the conversation.
27:05
Speaker 1: They're a package. They're a thoroughbred package, a NASCAR package,
27:09
Speaker 1: and if you can't stop the run, you never get
27:11
Speaker 1: to that package, right because that package comes in on
27:14
Speaker 1: third down and twelve, right, It comes in on third
27:16
Speaker 1: down and eight. Um. I don't think d want Smoot
27:19
Speaker 1: is capable like Roy Robertson Harris is of being a
27:23
Speaker 1: two gapper and dominating at the line of scriptage. But
27:25
Speaker 1: when you put to one in, he is a changeup.
27:28
Speaker 1: Same thing with Art and Key. If you noticed Art
27:30
Speaker 1: and Key lined up inside, he was in a three
27:32
Speaker 1: or a five technique on the inside shoulder of the guard,
27:35
Speaker 1: of the inside shoulder of the tackle. They are important
27:39
Speaker 1: pieces to the versatility of what they want to do. Um,
27:44
Speaker 1: but they're not starters. In my mind. They are that
27:46
Speaker 1: special package, and if you can't stop the run, you
27:49
Speaker 1: never get to that package. He's just he's more than
27:51
Speaker 1: I thought, truthfully, and that's your faults on me. And
27:54
Speaker 1: in the free agency market where I didn't think much
27:56
Speaker 1: about him, and he's showing me you should have thought
27:58
Speaker 1: about me. Schwinn Oh, those zones gonna teach you something.
28:02
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a part of this these days in
28:06
Speaker 1: the NFL, uh eleven players. To think of eleven players
28:13
Speaker 1: as starters isn't enough. I you really need on both
28:17
Speaker 1: sides of the ball on offenses, about thirteen or fourteen
28:19
Speaker 1: guys who matter on defense is about sixteen or seventeen
28:23
Speaker 1: Key especially. I don't think he's gonna be a starter,
28:25
Speaker 1: like Brian said, but he may as well be a
28:27
Speaker 1: starter because he's one of the fifteen guys who matter
28:30
Speaker 1: very much. He had your Nicol. Arden Key is just
28:33
Speaker 1: as much of a starter as Roy Robinson Harris. Even
28:36
Speaker 1: though he won't start the game. He's not gonna be
28:37
Speaker 1: on the depth chart. But arden Key is one of
28:41
Speaker 1: the guys you can't lose. He's one of the guys
28:43
Speaker 1: who matters. Um and fans do this all the time.
28:47
Speaker 1: I get emails all off season about well is this
28:50
Speaker 1: guy gonna start? Well? Why did they sign this guy
28:52
Speaker 1: if he can't start. It's not about starting, it's about
28:55
Speaker 1: being able to do something special. Arden Key can put
28:58
Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback. He becomes a huge part of
29:01
Speaker 1: the pass rush, like Brian said, and he's gonna start
29:04
Speaker 1: per se because you can't have En Harrison out on
29:07
Speaker 1: first down. Roy Roberts and Harris. What did Irvan call him?
29:12
Speaker 1: Roy Roberts? Um so Rogers? Uh. But arden Key is
29:19
Speaker 1: a huge part of the defense and may as well
29:21
Speaker 1: be a starter. And he is a surprise to everyone,
29:25
Speaker 1: not not probably not the coaching staff, but we didn't
29:28
Speaker 1: see the particular package they were putting together when they
29:31
Speaker 1: signed him. Nobody could have seen that, right, But you
29:33
Speaker 1: saw it the other night when they bring Smooth in
29:35
Speaker 1: and they have Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen and now
29:38
Speaker 1: arden Key, Well, who are you going to stop? Right?
29:41
Speaker 1: And arden Key just happens to be that slippery what
29:43
Speaker 1: would call him slithery right? Um? And and he can
29:47
Speaker 1: he's a mismatch for a guard because he's he's twitter
29:50
Speaker 1: and sixty five pounds, but he's faster than he looks
29:53
Speaker 1: and he's tough to block. So all of a sudden,
29:55
Speaker 1: now you got the center, who's gonna be well, I
29:57
Speaker 1: gotta chip over here. I mean just it'll screw with blockings,
30:00
Speaker 1: schemes with it with that. But go back and say
30:02
Speaker 1: it again. If you don't have Roy devon and fully
30:05
Speaker 1: dominating on first and second down, you're never going to
30:07
Speaker 1: see that package. And the drop off isn't that I
30:11
Speaker 1: think you got to give the guy who was smiling
30:13
Speaker 1: at Lucia and I had a little credit for Art
30:14
Speaker 1: and Key too, one friend. I mean, this is a
30:17
Speaker 1: guy who wasn't high high profile first wave free agent
30:22
Speaker 1: comes in. This is where you make hay in free agency,
30:25
Speaker 1: you had a guy like this, That's what a jam's
30:27
Speaker 1: job is. This roster is dramatically significantly improved. You can
30:33
Speaker 1: see it every down right. He's got to get a
30:36
Speaker 1: lot of credit for the way that he's helped build
30:38
Speaker 1: this roster. I know no one wants to give it
30:39
Speaker 1: to him. But when you look at Trayvon Walker and
30:42
Speaker 1: when you watch him this year, you'll be like, yeah,
30:44
Speaker 1: that was a really good call. It was because it
30:46
Speaker 1: was presumptive. In my accusation, someone like Art and Key
30:50
Speaker 1: gets lost in the shuffle free agency because Christian Kirk
30:52
Speaker 1: takes all of it. And that's what I keep going
30:54
Speaker 1: back to. It's my gosh, we didn't pay this guy
30:55
Speaker 1: any attention. Come that time. Let the story unfold. It's
30:58
Speaker 1: going to and I think it's got a chance this
31:00
Speaker 1: year to unfold in a really positive way. Absolutely, And
31:02
Speaker 1: that is Hot Takes on a Monday morning when we
31:04
Speaker 1: come back on Jaguars Drive Time, some final thoughts. We
31:15
Speaker 1: are back Jaguars Drive Time, one more segment on a
31:17
Speaker 1: Monday morning, getting ready for a practice in Jacksonal tomorrow,
31:20
Speaker 1: a joint practice Wednesday and Thursday in Atlanta. What do
31:24
Speaker 1: we look most looking forward to for a joint practice
31:27
Speaker 1: m hinting someone else, Well, no, I really I want
31:30
Speaker 1: to see the big guys in the trenches, right, I
31:31
Speaker 1: mean I want to see the one on one pass
31:34
Speaker 1: rush in particular. Uh, these guys the offensive an defensive
31:37
Speaker 1: lineman know each other that you have had Cam Robinson
31:40
Speaker 1: going against Trayvon Walker everything single time. They do it.
31:45
Speaker 1: Right now he gets the chance to line up against
31:46
Speaker 1: the best that Atlanta has and vice versa. Trayvon Walker
31:49
Speaker 1: gets the line up against the best that the Falcons
31:51
Speaker 1: have on their offensive line. That's gonna be really important
31:53
Speaker 1: for these guys to get you a true test because
31:55
Speaker 1: they're not gonna play on Saturday Night. I mean, Doug
31:58
Speaker 1: told us in the production meetings last Friday. Yeah, these
32:01
Speaker 1: guys aren't going, So this is your last opportunity to
32:05
Speaker 1: get a really strong evaluation. Um and those guys, you're
32:09
Speaker 1: not evaluating Tramon Walker. But those guys aren't gonna play,
32:12
Speaker 1: so it's their last tune up before the regular season. Well, Brian,
32:15
Speaker 1: I we talked about the trenches, so I mean I'll
32:18
Speaker 1: look forward to watching Kirk and z a Jones specifically,
32:21
Speaker 1: and Marvin Jones, let's not take him out of the equation, uh,
32:24
Speaker 1: seeing if they can continue to get into a rhythm
32:26
Speaker 1: with Trevor. I love the consistency that Kirk and z
32:31
Speaker 1: A Jones Marvin Jones seemed to be getting open with.
32:33
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be key for this season.
32:35
Speaker 1: It feels to me like for the first time, Trevor's
32:37
Speaker 1: got receivers that he knows where they're going to be
32:41
Speaker 1: and knows they're gonna be open on third down. I
32:43
Speaker 1: think that's going to make a huge difference for this offense.
32:45
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing it work in Atlanta. Marvin
32:47
Speaker 1: Jones in his eleventh season, looks primed to have a
32:50
Speaker 1: very good productive year. Last year, he was the number
32:53
Speaker 1: one option and teams took much way. Now with Jay
32:56
Speaker 1: and Christian out there, I think Marvin's gonna be able
32:59
Speaker 1: to find the spot in the defense and be at
33:01
Speaker 1: the Margaret's be that reliable guy you've always talked about
33:04
Speaker 1: Jaguars quarterbacks not having. I'm excited to see him even
33:07
Speaker 1: more with the additions of Christian and Zach and he
33:10
Speaker 1: might have three. Yeah, but Marvin Jones told us the
33:13
Speaker 1: other day on the practice field, He's like Benjamin Button.
33:15
Speaker 1: He just gets better with time. That all right. In Atlanta,
33:18
Speaker 1: I'll be paying attention to ben Bart's jawan Taylor Walker.
33:21
Speaker 1: Little Coach Peterson told us Saturday morning pre game that
33:24
Speaker 1: it was going to take those joint practices to really
33:26
Speaker 1: figure out who is going to be the starters on
33:27
Speaker 1: that offensive line, So something to pay attention to. We
33:30
Speaker 1: will have Jaguars Drive Time Wednesday and Thursday morning live
33:34
Speaker 1: from Atlanta, So we'll see you Wednesday morning from the
33:36
Speaker 1: team hotel. We'll see you soon.