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Mom-murder at CHUCK E. CHEESE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Everybody knows the name Chuck
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Speaker 1: E Cheese. Every parent knows it. I remember when we
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Speaker 1: were living in La during Dancing with the Stars. To
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Speaker 1: get the twins to play school every day, we would
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Speaker 1: have to drive right by a Chuck E Cheese and
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Speaker 1: it worked for weeks and weeks and weeks. Would tell
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Speaker 1: the children to look at the other way so they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't see Chuck E Cheese. Would make something up. My
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Speaker 1: look at the butterfly, look at the monkey, look into
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Speaker 1: this because once they saw it, it's like a magnet.
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Speaker 1: It's fun. It's fun for children, not necessarily parents, but
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Speaker 1: it's universal. Chuck E Cheese is not across the country
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Speaker 1: for children's fun. For murder Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Who would think that a day at Chuck E Cheese
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Speaker 1: with all of your children celebrating a fifth birthday would
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Speaker 1: turn deadly? Listen to this. Police are investigating after someone
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Speaker 1: was shot at Chuck E Cheese off Kimberly Road in Davenport.
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Speaker 1: It happened at around seven thirty Davenport Police in the
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Speaker 1: Scott County Sheriff's Office responding to the scene. Limited details
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Speaker 1: from police right now We're not sure who the shooting
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Speaker 1: victim is, but police do tell us was at least
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Speaker 1: not a young child. The victim's condition also not being
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Speaker 1: released at this time. No arrests have been made. The
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Speaker 1: investigation is ongoing. A shooting at Chuck E Cheese and
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Speaker 1: a packed play area full of children, infants, moms. Why
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Speaker 1: while one group is having a birthday party somebody gets
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Speaker 1: gunned down again? Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nations series see eleven. Let me introduce to
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Speaker 1: you an all star panel to break it down and
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. First of all with me.
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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt twenty seven years metro major case including
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Speaker 1: swat now lawyer at shell nut Law Firm dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, psychologist instructor at Columbia University at
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Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe Ellis dot com. Robert Crispin, former cop in Florida,
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Speaker 1: now the founder of Crispin's Special Investigation PIS. Doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire state of Florida, joining us
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Speaker 1: and Tom Loewi special guests. Joining us from the Quad
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Speaker 1: City time in Davenport, Iowa. You were just hearing from
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Speaker 1: our France at wq A D. But listen now to WHPF.
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Speaker 1: A Davenport mother of five was killed on Sunday night
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Speaker 1: inside a chuck e Cheese while the five year old's
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Speaker 1: birthday party was taking place. A deadly shooting shook the area.
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Speaker 1: We were quite shocked when he saw it on the
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Speaker 1: news feed and just could not believe that something like
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Speaker 1: this would be happening here in the Old Town Mall
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Speaker 1: area is probably one of the safer places in town.
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Speaker 1: While we always say it's a great traffic area, a
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Speaker 1: lot of traffic up and down to Kimberly Road. Bill
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Speaker 1: Perkinson's American National Insurance and he has been in the
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Speaker 1: Old Town Mall for five years. At first, police did
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Speaker 1: not release who the victim was other than it was
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Speaker 1: not a little child. Now we know it's a mother.
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Speaker 1: Turns out to be a mother of five, shot down
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Speaker 1: in a chuck e cheese. Straight out to your special
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Speaker 1: guests joining us with a quad City Times DA in
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Speaker 1: Port Iowa, Tom Loowe, again, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: First of all, explain to me where is this chuck
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Speaker 1: e Cheese? Well, this chuck e Cheese is kind of
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Speaker 1: a little more north in Davenport, but in general, kind
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Speaker 1: of central Davenport. It's up off to downtown. It's on
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Speaker 1: a busy street. Kimberly Road is a major thoroughfare. I
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Speaker 1: live on Kimberly Road, not too far from where this
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Speaker 1: took place, probably about two miles from where it took place.
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Speaker 1: It's about a two minute drive three minute drive over
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Speaker 1: to Chuck E Cheese. So it was shocking for a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. It's a popular place, obviously, as you
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Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of your show. Popular place for kids,
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Speaker 1: easy place for parents to kind of take a group
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Speaker 1: of kids to have a good time for a birthday
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Speaker 1: party or any other kind of celebration. You know, we
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Speaker 1: think of Iowa, we don't think of crime Way. It
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Speaker 1: just doesn't fit together. I know. Dav Import is on
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Speaker 1: the Mississippi River, eastern Iowa. It's got that awesome art museum,
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Speaker 1: a lot of attractions. When we say Davenport, how big
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Speaker 1: is it? Davenport is tobiot population of around one hundred thousand,
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Speaker 1: maybe a little more. It's not a big city. It's
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Speaker 1: got some big city problems. Scott County, which houses Davenport,
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Speaker 1: is one hundred and seventy two thousand, so a concentration
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Speaker 1: of population in Davenport. It's the population center. To Tom Lowe,
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Speaker 1: Quad City Times there in Davenport. I looked up Davenport
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Speaker 1: and it describes it very well. It sounds beautiful. It's
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Speaker 1: located on the banks of the Mississippi, vibrant, progressive, and
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Speaker 1: declared the most livable small city in America. Business friendly,
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Speaker 1: it sounds great, culture, shopping, civic service opportunities. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about the Chuck E Cheese. I understand that there was
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Speaker 1: a birthday party going on inside. Yes, it's a popular
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Speaker 1: place located just off Kimberly Road, which is a little
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Speaker 1: bit north of the downtown but kind of central Davenport.
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Speaker 1: And it's in a nice suburban area. You know, to
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, private investigator Christmas Special Investigations, what is making
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Speaker 1: this so egregious? In addition to gunning down a mother
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Speaker 1: of five, you know that at least her children were there.
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Speaker 1: If she's in a Chuck E Cheese, you know her
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Speaker 1: children gotta be there. I'm sure she's not going there
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Speaker 1: to play the games, but all the other children and
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Speaker 1: all the moms in there and dads. Somebody opens fire
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Speaker 1: inside a play area like that. It makes it egregious.
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Speaker 1: Is happening out a place that's well known across the country.
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Speaker 1: It's filled with kids and parents that everyone are having
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Speaker 1: a great time. And you know, some people just don't
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Speaker 1: care where they intend to hurt people, whether it's other kids,
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Speaker 1: other parents. Some people when they're on a mission. They're
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Speaker 1: on a mission. They don't care who's your honor or
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Speaker 1: where you are. James Shelnot twenty seven years much a
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Speaker 1: major case. Detective swat Now, lawyer, could you explain what
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Speaker 1: is a ricochet? Yeah? Absolutely. You know, whenever a bullet
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Speaker 1: is fired, it continues to travel until something stops it
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Speaker 1: or until it runs out of energy, and nine out
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Speaker 1: of ten times it's going to stop when it hits something.
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Speaker 1: A ricochet is when a bullet passes through something or
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Speaker 1: hit something going in one direction and then it deflects
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Speaker 1: in another direction. A great example of that would be
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Speaker 1: if the victim in this case is shot and the
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Speaker 1: bullet continued through it could have hit anyone or anything
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Speaker 1: behind it and completely changed directions and hit something at
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Speaker 1: the end of that direction as well. That's something very well.
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Speaker 1: Could be a little child and chuck e cheese. I mean,
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Speaker 1: and for those of you that don't know what Chuck
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Speaker 1: E Cheese is, describe what's inside. You know, I've been
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Speaker 1: to Chuck E Cheese. You know. We've got five kids
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Speaker 1: from three to nineteen, and every one of them has
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Speaker 1: been inside Chuck and Cheese for a birthday party at
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Speaker 1: some point. And when you go inside Chuck E Cheese,
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Speaker 1: you know, of course you've got your menu items of
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Speaker 1: a pizza that you can order and other things. But
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Speaker 1: there's tons of video games and what you do is
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Speaker 1: you buy a card and you load that card with credits,
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Speaker 1: and you stick that card into each game that you
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Speaker 1: want to play, and you continue to use that card
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Speaker 1: that's loaded with money until that card runs out of credit.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, You guys are talking about
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Speaker 1: a murder that goes down and a packed Chuck E Cheese.
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Speaker 1: You know what it is because the logo, I think
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Speaker 1: is a mouse that's chucky and that goes round and
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Speaker 1: a round and around on a sign above every Chucky Cheese.
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Speaker 1: But the reason my husband and I called it Satan
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Speaker 1: is because unbeknownst to me, I was off working all
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Speaker 1: day and dancing with the stars. We probably just literally
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Speaker 1: eight to nine hours a day and then I'd go
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Speaker 1: to Chelmn. My husband, David, took the children to Chucky
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Speaker 1: Cheese repeatedly. You know why he had to quit going
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Speaker 1: to Chucky Cheese because he lost John David every single
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Speaker 1: time he went, and nobody told me. I would come
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Speaker 1: home with my feet literally bleeding, and I'd say, what
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Speaker 1: did you guys do while I was gone? It was
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Speaker 1: killing me that I couldn't be with them. Oh you know,
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Speaker 1: I picked him up from school, we went to Chucky Cheese.
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Speaker 1: I had no idea that the reason they stayed at
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Speaker 1: Chucky Cheese along the four or five times that you
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Speaker 1: got to go, is because he lost John David every time.
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Speaker 1: Why did he lose John David? Because the place is
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Speaker 1: so packed. I mean it's like you can't even see
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Speaker 1: your child because there's it feels like hundreds of children
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Speaker 1: in there, and everybody's having a good time. Music is playing,
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Speaker 1: They're all playing the games. I mean, it's really a
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Speaker 1: lot of fun for them, not for moms or dads.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I'm talking about a ricochet. It's packed
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Speaker 1: with children. Listen to this. We are following developing news
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Speaker 1: this morning. Davenport Police have two homicide investigations on their hands,
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Speaker 1: one of them at Chucky Cheese on East Kimberly Road.
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Speaker 1: Police responded to shots fired around seven forty pm last night.
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Speaker 1: An unresponsive woman was found inside the business. She had
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Speaker 1: been shot. The woman was taken to a hospital where
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Speaker 1: she was pronounced dead. This investigation is ongoing. Anyone with
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Speaker 1: information because as to contact police. And then when you
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Speaker 1: try to get witnesses, you look around. They're all about
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Speaker 1: three years old. You were hearing our friends at KLIB
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Speaker 1: Fox eighteen. Just then, how do you find out what happened?
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Speaker 1: Have you learned? And all the years to you? Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: former cop in for Lauderdale turn private eye. That in
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Speaker 1: a packed area like that, in a confined space, a
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Speaker 1: lot of times people are hearing music and all those
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Speaker 1: games make so much noise. If they hear a gunshot,
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Speaker 1: they don't even realize what they're hearing. Plus they're all
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Speaker 1: four years old. Listen. I can tell you from working
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Speaker 1: shootings in the past, a lot of witnesses never heard
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Speaker 1: a shot. They actually never heard the shot in a
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Speaker 1: crowded room. They didn't even know somebody got shot. They
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Speaker 1: had no clue. But those witnesses that do hear, they
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Speaker 1: freak out and they start to run, and everyone starts
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Speaker 1: running in every direction, and every is going to have
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Speaker 1: a different account of what they saw. You're going to
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Speaker 1: have twenty witnesses, You're gonna have twenty different versions. They're
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Speaker 1: all going to kind of be the same, but they're
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Speaker 1: going to be seen from twenty different people, from twenty
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Speaker 1: different angles, which helps law enforcement put all this together.
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Speaker 1: And then we go back to the good old video. Well,
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Speaker 1: I assume that you're right that there's a video that
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Speaker 1: is working in Chuck e Cheeze. I'll never forget when
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Speaker 1: it first hit me. It was during the seanre Levy
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Speaker 1: case where the high rise where she lived in DC,
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Speaker 1: the DC intern that ends up dead at Rock Camp Park,
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Speaker 1: they had video cameras above the elevators that she would
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Speaker 1: have walked out of to go out on the streets
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Speaker 1: seemingly to jog. But they repeat it over every so
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Speaker 1: many hours, like every seventy two hours, and by the
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Speaker 1: time cops got there and it already taped over. Then
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Speaker 1: we hear about video cameras that don't work, or fake
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Speaker 1: video cameras that are there too, you know, scare criminal away.
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Speaker 1: Long story short. I hope there's video and you hear
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Speaker 1: Crispin talking about a stampede. Those that do figure out
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Speaker 1: there's been a gunshot start running. But let's bring it home.
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Speaker 1: This isn't some anonymous woman dead on the floor of
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Speaker 1: a Chuck E Cheese, surrounded by not only her five children,
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Speaker 1: but many many other children who witness a murder. Listen
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Speaker 1: to David Price, this tragic night. They ruined my life,
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Speaker 1: when the kid's life. David Price was with his fiance
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Speaker 1: when she was shot and killed at Chuck E Cheese
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Speaker 1: Sunday night. The couple had been engaged for four months
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Speaker 1: and just recently welcomed a baby girl. She had to
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Speaker 1: energy to walk in the room and brighten up the
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Speaker 1: whole room. She was an amazing woman. She was truly amazing.
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Speaker 1: It's definitely the one for me. The smile she had
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Speaker 1: a brace smile, Price said, cherished. Four young boys changed
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Speaker 1: his life. Heard the void, They completed me. They made
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Speaker 1: me grow. Price at the past twenty four hours have
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Speaker 1: been hard, but having the support of family and friends
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Speaker 1: have helped him during these hard times. It helps, It
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Speaker 1: really does me. Though I'm not in it alone. No,
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Speaker 1: then you big cry all night. We'll go Rachel voice.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't the man. It is different, It's un totally different.
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Speaker 1: It will be okay. You're hearing karl As Sosa WHBF
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Speaker 1: at Quad City speaking to the fiance David Price straight
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Speaker 1: up to Tom Wowe Quad City Times in Davenport. When
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Speaker 1: you hear his voice describing laying in bed crying at night,
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Speaker 1: and then you think of the five children who no
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Speaker 1: longer have their mom. Who has the five children that
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Speaker 1: this woman was raising? Her five children? Where are they now? Well?
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Speaker 1: Some of them have been returned to Chicago, where miss
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Speaker 1: Cheers was from for a time. I believe that they
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Speaker 1: were separated for a little bit, but family members are
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Speaker 1: doing their best to take care of them, care for
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Speaker 1: them long term. I don't know where they're going to be.
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Speaker 1: I believe they're returning to Chicago. So it sounds like
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Speaker 1: the five children are all being torn apart and there's
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Speaker 1: no guarantee they'll be together. To doctor Debbie Joffey, Ellis
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Speaker 1: psychologists and professor, Columbia University, I can't imagine my twins,
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Speaker 1: John Navy and Lucy being torn apart to be raised separately.
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Speaker 1: What does that do to a sibling. It all depends
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Speaker 1: on who's raising each child. If each child is raised
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Speaker 1: with unconditional love and the opportunity to visit their sibling,
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Speaker 1: if they're raised with a can of understanding and encouragement,
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Speaker 1: it may not lead to any dire or future traumatic
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Speaker 1: symptoms in the person. However, if there's isolation, if the
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Speaker 1: child doesn't feel they're getting the same kind of unconditional
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Speaker 1: others they may have from their original biological parent, in
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Speaker 1: this case, the mother who was tragically murdered, it might
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Speaker 1: lead to some anger issues, depression, anxiety, other problems. And
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Speaker 1: I'm finding that a very tough pill to swallow, doctor Debby,
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Speaker 1: Because if my mother was shot dead in front of me,
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Speaker 1: and then I was torn apart from the only thing
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Speaker 1: I had in this world, my siblings, and rooted from
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Speaker 1: where I was living from Iowa, sent to Chicago, I
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Speaker 1: think that there would be a lot of emotional issues
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Speaker 1: to deal with. But hey, I'm just a lawyer, but
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Speaker 1: it's seems to me that that would be life altering.
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Speaker 1: I mean for adults. They say that moving as one
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Speaker 1: of the top I guess ten traumatic things in your life,
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Speaker 1: a death and then being split apart from your family.
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Speaker 1: Those are three of the top traumatic incidents for adults,
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Speaker 1: and that doesn't include seeing really, so it's not all
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Speaker 1: adults that suffered trauma. When somebody dies, it's not all
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Speaker 1: And there's plenty of evidence for this, Nancy. There are
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Speaker 1: a number of factors involved. Each one of us is
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Speaker 1: born with a different tendency some and it's a biological
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Speaker 1: thing as well as a learned thing. Some of us
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Speaker 1: have a tendency to be more anxious, more traumatized, more depressed,
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Speaker 1: more enrage some of the stone stunt cross stope Bath.
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Speaker 1: I don't if you could just answer the question. You're
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Speaker 1: telling me it may not be traumatic. Yes, your mother
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Speaker 1: shot dad, your parents, your single mom shot dad in
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Speaker 1: front of you. You move from your home to another city,
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Speaker 1: and you're torn apart from your siblings. You're telling me
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Speaker 1: that's not necessarily traumatic. I'm telling you that it could
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Speaker 1: be traumatic, but not necessarily for all people if the
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Speaker 1: children are raised in loving ways. And the evidence for
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Speaker 1: that is children who have been in war situations, terror
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Speaker 1: situations where their parents have been murdered in front of them.
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Speaker 1: Some of the children have traumatic problems throughout their lives,
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Speaker 1: and some don't it's good to know crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about a mother of
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Speaker 1: five children gunned down in front of her children at
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Speaker 1: a chucky cheese on a Sunday afternoon. Who would think
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Speaker 1: that would happen, that someone would open fire? And a
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Speaker 1: kid's jumpy house arcade area where they're having happy birthday parties.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at WHBF. A grieving
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Speaker 1: father's unbearable pain. You know who goes cheese and never
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Speaker 1: go back home again. Perry Hudson is still trying to
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Speaker 1: come to terms with the death of his kid's mother,
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Speaker 1: Eloise chairs I aintin't gonna lie. I didn't believe it
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Speaker 1: at first. I just looked at it and you gotta
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Speaker 1: be kidding. I didn't believe it until I go until
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Speaker 1: her mom called me. Surrounded by his kids, Hudson tells
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Speaker 1: me Cherris was dedicated to her family. I mean she
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Speaker 1: always brought kids first by everything. He says. That's one
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Speaker 1: of the hardest things to process is his kids wondering
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Speaker 1: where their mom is. So he kept asking for stuff.
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Speaker 1: Then he even went and trying to get an event.
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Speaker 1: So the little boy trying to get up in his
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Speaker 1: mom's bed and she's not there. You know, I'm just
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Speaker 1: thinking about this mother. Um to Tim Gallagher, I want
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Speaker 1: to talk to you on several levels. You're the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner for the whole state of Florida, but you have
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Speaker 1: to deal with autopsies of moms, moms with children depending
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Speaker 1: on them. This was a single mom raising five children.
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Speaker 1: How long would it have taken mom to bleed out
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Speaker 1: there at a chucky cheese? What would the children have witness?
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get at. Well, it appears
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Speaker 1: that the gunshot was to her shoulder and it was fatal,
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Speaker 1: you know, so I'm thinking that the bullet probably traveled
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Speaker 1: from her shoulder into her lung, possibly into her heart
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Speaker 1: from that from a sidewards direction. If that's the case,
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Speaker 1: that's the worst case scenario. The mother would have fallen
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Speaker 1: to the ground, Her eyes would have been opened, she
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Speaker 1: would have been very aware that she had been shot,
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Speaker 1: and then she would have the life would have just
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Speaker 1: kind of faded out of her. She would have had
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Speaker 1: decreased energy, blood would be bleeding into her chest. She
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Speaker 1: would be literally drowning in her own blood, and she
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Speaker 1: may have spit some up. There may be some coming
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Speaker 1: out of her nose and out of her mouth, and
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Speaker 1: then she would have lost consciousness and expired shortly thereafter.
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Speaker 1: You know, I remember very vividly, doctor Tim Gallagher. Of course,
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Speaker 1: as you know, my father just passed away recently, but
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Speaker 1: as a young girl seeing him have a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: And I woke up that morning and I heard my
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Speaker 1: mom screaming his name, Mac, Macmac, and I'd never heard
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Speaker 1: screaming like that in our home. And I ran back
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Speaker 1: and she was hit, I thought, hitting him. She was
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Speaker 1: pounding his chest trying to revive him from a coronary thrombosis.
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Speaker 1: And to this day, I mean, I was just a
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Speaker 1: little girl when that happened for the first time, and
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget it for the rest of my life.
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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to take in what you're saying happened
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Speaker 1: to the mom, her name Eloise, chairs what these children
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Speaker 1: I mean, plus what you're saying is being filtered through
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Speaker 1: the eyes of children, doctor Gallagher. I mean, when you
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Speaker 1: perform autopsies, does it ever hit you that this was
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Speaker 1: a mom of five or do you try to divorce
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Speaker 1: yourself from those realizations in order to get your job done. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's a good question, Nannswy. It's when I'm asked quite often.
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Speaker 1: You know, you often do try to divorce yourself, which
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Speaker 1: you never can completely do that. You know, I'm a
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Speaker 1: person too, as well as my technicians and everybody that
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Speaker 1: works for me, and we have mothers, and we have daughters,
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Speaker 1: and we have family members. You know that that kind
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Speaker 1: of may have gone through the same thing, or may
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Speaker 1: have gone through a traumatic thing that brings back these
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Speaker 1: memories for us, you know. And we've I've actually had
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Speaker 1: doctors of mine who did not do or actually passed
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Speaker 1: on the autopsy to another physician because the case was
23:54
Speaker 1: just too traumatic, four of them, you know, And that's
23:57
Speaker 1: something in this industry that is sort of overlooked. You know,
24:01
Speaker 1: there's a lot of doctors who do go through a
24:04
Speaker 1: PTSD type of mental issues, you know, because of this thing.
24:10
Speaker 1: It's this job isn't for everyone, you know, and but
24:14
Speaker 1: if it's for you, it's it's a very good, good position.
24:17
Speaker 1: You know. I'm listening to what the ex husband is saying.
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Speaker 1: The father of the five children, He says, who goes
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Speaker 1: into Chuck E Cheese and doesn't come home? Who goes
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Speaker 1: to Chuck E Cheese? And doesn't come home. I mean
24:38
Speaker 1: back to you, James shell Nut. You've handled a lot
24:42
Speaker 1: of murder cases, as have you Robert Crispin. But shell Nut, statistically,
24:47
Speaker 1: crimes are low on Sunday afternoons, in early mornings, any
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Speaker 1: day of the week, and on a Sunday afternoon you're
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Speaker 1: going to see a much lower incident of crimes statistically
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Speaker 1: at Chuck E Cheese. So this X, who speaks very
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Speaker 1: fondly of eloise chairs says, who goes to Chuck E
25:10
Speaker 1: Cheese and doesn't come home, you die at Chuck E Cheese.
25:14
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you think about senseless x
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Speaker 1: of violence, this is one of those. And look, got
25:23
Speaker 1: no disrespect to our psychologists or psychiatrists on the line,
25:26
Speaker 1: but we would never we would never verbally attack somebody
25:31
Speaker 1: I have. I have worked a lot of homicides, and
25:34
Speaker 1: as a lawyer, you know, one of the primary focuses
25:37
Speaker 1: of our firms working wrongful death cases on the civil side,
25:40
Speaker 1: and I have to deal with families on both of
25:41
Speaker 1: those sides and all the way around. I have never once,
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Speaker 1: not one time, out of thirty plus years been in
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Speaker 1: the law dealt with someone who has lost a family
25:54
Speaker 1: member under tragic circumstances like that. Who told me that
25:58
Speaker 1: they ever got over it. You know, this is a
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Speaker 1: little boy who was having a birthday party, a special
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Speaker 1: magical timefol kid, that's a magical time. Poor child. You
26:09
Speaker 1: know that you've got kids, and from this point forward,
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Speaker 1: his birthday will be an anniversary of his mother's death.
26:17
Speaker 1: And you have to wonder if every time that this
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Speaker 1: child closes his eyes to make a birthday wish, is
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Speaker 1: see seeing his mother laying on the ground, bleeding and dying.
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Speaker 1: This is just this is something, like doctor Gallagher said,
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Speaker 1: it affects everyone. It affects this child, It affects the
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Speaker 1: crime scene technicians that come out and see this, It
26:39
Speaker 1: affects the detectives, it affects the community, and it has
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Speaker 1: the potential to significantly and permanently affect these children. It's
26:48
Speaker 1: just just a horrible situation. James. I think I may
26:52
Speaker 1: have told you this or mentioned it in passing, but
26:55
Speaker 1: it was just my twins birthday, and you know how
26:58
Speaker 1: close it came that I didn't have them, that we
27:02
Speaker 1: Lucy and I almost died in childbirth. So they believe
27:06
Speaker 1: it or not, I have turned thirteen. I can't believe it.
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Speaker 1: I planned their birthday. I've had so many birthdays like
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Speaker 1: Eloise did, where you go to a jumpy house where
27:16
Speaker 1: you go to a fun place and you bring the
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Speaker 1: cake and the pizza and la. This time I worked
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Speaker 1: so hard because I can't take them to a jumpy
27:24
Speaker 1: house anymore. Shell nutt So my son went to Laser
27:30
Speaker 1: Tag and had a game truck that dug up the
27:34
Speaker 1: front yard by the way. They had a great time.
27:36
Speaker 1: My daughter decided that she would have make your own
27:41
Speaker 1: pasta night. They now want separate birthdays, okay, and she
27:44
Speaker 1: had a little friends over. They made pasta and ran
27:46
Speaker 1: around the house till three o'clock in the morning. Then
27:49
Speaker 1: on their birthday, I got up as usual before five
27:53
Speaker 1: and made a scavenger hunt for them to get to
27:57
Speaker 1: their presence. My point is, as a mom, I'm just
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Speaker 1: thinking about her. She's a single mom to these five children,
28:06
Speaker 1: and she's trying to show the one a good time
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Speaker 1: a birthday party at their favorite Chuck E Cheese. It's
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Speaker 1: just I'm just thinking about the scavenger hunt for the
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Speaker 1: twins and what if David right I got shot dead
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Speaker 1: in front of the twins on their birthday. Right in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the scavenger hunt. I mean it's overwhelming
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Speaker 1: to me. Crime stories with Nancy Grace guys. A young mom,
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Speaker 1: Eloise Chairs, let's say her name, Eloise Chairs, die on
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Speaker 1: the floor of a Chuck E Cheese trying to throw
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Speaker 1: her little boy a fifth birthday party where their other
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Speaker 1: four children gathered around her. And like the dad says,
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Speaker 1: who goes to Chuck e Cheese and never comes back?
29:15
Speaker 1: But who in the hey would open fire on a
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Speaker 1: mother of five? Take a listen to our friends at
29:23
Speaker 1: WQAD News. Eight kids and parents rushed outside the Davenport
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Speaker 1: Chucky Cheese Sunday night. Police say a shooting inside claimed
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Speaker 1: the life of twenty nine year old Eloise Chairs, her
29:35
Speaker 1: family telling News eight, Eloise was a mother of five,
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Speaker 1: including a four week old infant. According to her family,
29:42
Speaker 1: Eloise got into an argument with another mother at Chuck
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Speaker 1: e Cheese over their children's game cards, and that's when
29:49
Speaker 1: they say another woman pulled a gun. Police later arresting
29:53
Speaker 1: twenty four year old Treyshonda Pallian. What about the kids,
29:56
Speaker 1: I mean, that's immediately thought for the kids. The kid
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Speaker 1: that were here, you know, for whatever reasons they were here.
30:02
Speaker 1: And that those sounds of shots, gunshots, that those sounds
30:10
Speaker 1: will live on with those kids for the rest of
30:13
Speaker 1: their lives. Straight out to Tom Lowey, our special guest
30:16
Speaker 1: joining us some quad city times, Davenport, Iowa. What happened? Well?
30:22
Speaker 1: Who shot this mom? Treshawn Napoleon is a twenty four
30:26
Speaker 1: year old Davenport resident. And apparently there's some argument over
30:32
Speaker 1: a game card was mentioned earlier. You load up a
30:35
Speaker 1: game card, it allows you to play until the dollar
30:37
Speaker 1: amount on that game card is gone. And apparently it
30:41
Speaker 1: was an argument over a game card. We have had
30:44
Speaker 1: that confirmed by a number of people who are at
30:47
Speaker 1: the scene, but that has not appeared as a motive
30:51
Speaker 1: in any kind of affidavit. We are learning that Eloise
30:54
Speaker 1: was shot in front of our children and according to
30:58
Speaker 1: w QAD, blood covered all of her children. As doctor
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Speaker 1: Gallagher was pointing out, Eloise was struck in the shoulder.
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Speaker 1: It hit a main artery and caused her to bleed
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Speaker 1: out right there in front of her children. Over a
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Speaker 1: game card. Over a game card, take a listen to
31:28
Speaker 1: our friends at WHBF. He says the support from the
31:31
Speaker 1: community and his family has helped him cope. I don't know,
31:35
Speaker 1: I like my mom she here, you know, she came
31:37
Speaker 1: all away from Georgia, I mean by my side, So
31:40
Speaker 1: that's a new plus. The woman accused in the shooting
31:44
Speaker 1: is twenty four year roaches Shawn Napoleon, who was being
31:46
Speaker 1: held on a one million dollar bond in Scott County
31:49
Speaker 1: Jail and faces a first degree murder charge. I even
31:53
Speaker 1: know how she got a gun in there though, that's right,
31:56
Speaker 1: I'm anywhere. It was the security height. Don't take Hudson says,
32:01
Speaker 1: growing up without a mother as a reality now to
32:04
Speaker 1: his three and four year old sons, Well, my kids
32:08
Speaker 1: as part of explain to me. Tom Lowe, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa.
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Speaker 1: He really brings up a good point. How do you
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Speaker 1: get into a place like chuck E Cheese with a gun?
32:20
Speaker 1: You just carry it in on your person. There's no
32:23
Speaker 1: metal detector or anything like that. Let me ask you this,
32:26
Speaker 1: it's my understanding. Tom Lowe quats City Times that the shooter,
32:30
Speaker 1: the alleged shooter, Shondapoleon, then took off and left. Yes,
32:36
Speaker 1: she fled the scene, and she was later located in
32:40
Speaker 1: nearby Rock Island, Illinois, which is part of the Quad Cities.
32:45
Speaker 1: It's right across the bridge from Davenport. So she was
32:48
Speaker 1: located in Rock Island, Illinois, and was extradited from Rock Island, Illinois.
32:53
Speaker 1: The shooting occurred on a Sunday. She was extradited on Monday.
32:57
Speaker 1: Made her first court appearance the Tuesday after being arrested.
33:01
Speaker 1: To Robert Crispin PI at Crispin's Special Investigations, Robert, I've
33:06
Speaker 1: seen a murder over a five dollar hit a crack.
33:13
Speaker 1: I've seen a murder over a ten dollar debt, seen
33:18
Speaker 1: plenty of murders over divorce or infidelity, But over a
33:23
Speaker 1: chicky cheese game card. Doesn't make sense, does it. That's
33:27
Speaker 1: what started the argument. But clearly there was a trigger
33:31
Speaker 1: that happened in the verbal altercation between them that led
33:36
Speaker 1: her to do this. That was just the catalyst of
33:40
Speaker 1: how it started. It escalated somehow, and somewhere along the
33:44
Speaker 1: line the trigger word was said that upset the assailant
33:51
Speaker 1: and that just pushed her over the edge. Yeah, that's
33:53
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to figure out. To Tom Loewe with
33:55
Speaker 1: the quantity times, what about a game card made this
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Speaker 1: woman Paullian so angry? I think the allegations were that
34:07
Speaker 1: a game card was taken from perhaps miss Chairs fun.
34:13
Speaker 1: But what we know is that when people have guns
34:18
Speaker 1: there their distance between being angry and tragedy is you know, shortened,
34:24
Speaker 1: very much shortened. So it may have been a rash decision.
34:29
Speaker 1: What we are learning from Cheers family is that they
34:35
Speaker 1: were in an argument. She was in an argument with
34:38
Speaker 1: the other mom, Shanja Poullian, because the friend Poullian took
34:49
Speaker 1: one kid, one child took the game card from another child.
34:55
Speaker 1: So it's not as if a mom steals a game card. Basically,
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Speaker 1: two little children had an argument over a game card
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Speaker 1: and one kid took the other kid's game card at
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Speaker 1: Chuck E Cheese and then Pullian allegedly takes out a
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Speaker 1: gun and shoots Chairs in the shoulder dead and then
35:21
Speaker 1: she makes a run for it. I mean, James Shelnutt,
35:25
Speaker 1: you were a major case. You had to do bolos,
35:31
Speaker 1: be on the lookouts. But this is a twenty four
35:35
Speaker 1: year old woman. But look at what she did. Yeah,
35:40
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, it's inexplicable. And I do agree,
35:43
Speaker 1: I mean, there was you know, this may have started
35:45
Speaker 1: over game card and escalated, you know physically, I get it,
35:50
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, this should have
35:52
Speaker 1: been handled in a completely different way. Adults are supposed
35:56
Speaker 1: to handle things like adults instead of these adults acted
36:01
Speaker 1: worse than the small child who supposedly took the game court.
36:04
Speaker 1: It is just completely senseless and just inexplicable. You know,
36:08
Speaker 1: you hear to you, Crispin about cases where soccer moms
36:12
Speaker 1: getting a fight at the game with another mom or
36:18
Speaker 1: actually with a kid, a child. What are they thinking? Funny?
36:23
Speaker 1: You say that because when it comes to our kids
36:24
Speaker 1: in baseball or soccer or football and the ref gives
36:28
Speaker 1: a bad call to our kid. I mean, I've seen
36:30
Speaker 1: parents just go absolutely ballistic. And how many times have
36:32
Speaker 1: we seen the parents coming out of the stand and
36:35
Speaker 1: trying to take out the coach or the ref. You
36:37
Speaker 1: know what's interesting, Crispin, My brother, when he was in college,
36:43
Speaker 1: had a part a lot of part time jobs, but
36:45
Speaker 1: one of them was as a reff at children junior
36:48
Speaker 1: leagues games. He finally, Quinny said, I have parents follow
36:54
Speaker 1: me to my car, cursing at me, threatening to beat
36:57
Speaker 1: me up. Because I don't know any of these children.
36:59
Speaker 1: I'm just calling the game. I don't care. He finally
37:02
Speaker 1: quit reffing for that very reason, just trying to imagine
37:07
Speaker 1: what was going through these moms heads. Take a list
37:10
Speaker 1: to our friend Dave Matt at Crime Online. Twenty four
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Speaker 1: year old trishawn To Polian is charged with one count
37:15
Speaker 1: of first degree murder for fatally shooting twenty nine year
37:17
Speaker 1: old Eloise Chairs. She appeared by phone in the Scott
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Speaker 1: County Court for a short bond review hearing. Her attorney,
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Speaker 1: Derek Jones, asked the judge to change her bond from
37:26
Speaker 1: one million dollar cash only bond to a one million
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Speaker 1: dollar cash or surety bond, saying she has strong ties
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Speaker 1: to the community and is a lifelong resident of the area.
37:34
Speaker 1: During the hearing, Polian said, I don't have a criminal
37:37
Speaker 1: background of any sort, and then she said she has
37:39
Speaker 1: a baby boy and doesn't have much support for it,
37:41
Speaker 1: and saying she would like to have a realistic bond
37:44
Speaker 1: so she can at least get out and prepare for
37:46
Speaker 1: him to be somewhere safe while she goes through the trial.
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Speaker 1: Assistant Scott County Attorney Robert Bradfield he opposed the request
37:53
Speaker 1: and said, first agree, murder carries a mandatory sentence of
37:55
Speaker 1: life without parole, which is a good reason to not
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Speaker 1: appear for this trial, then pointed out that she shot
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Speaker 1: someone with a gun she had in her purse at
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Speaker 1: a Chucky Cheese that was crowded with families and children.
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Speaker 1: The judge denied the bond reduction, and not only that
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Speaker 1: she's already fled once, what would keep her from doing
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Speaker 1: it again? We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Grace crime
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Speaker 1: story signing off goodbye friend,