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S2 E4: Stuart Beattie's Original Scripts for the "Kenobi" Series · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  It's most. Things Kenobi an elegant.
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  Podcast for a more. Civilized Fandom.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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  podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host, Leanne.
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  And this week we are back to Obi Wan Kenobi baby.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are going to talk about the
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  original concept for the Kenobi series.
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  It was kind of used as a general structure for the show, but it
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  the original idea is actually pretty different than what we
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  ended up getting, so. I'm surprised at how different.
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  Right, like it was. It's pretty pretty different.
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  How did they even get what we got from that?
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  I know. It's, I don't know.
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  I don't know. It's it's really very, very,
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  very different. Like one thing was the same
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  basically that I took from the description of it all.
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  I don't know. I'm curious to hear your take
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  because I I have some feelings. Yeah, I have.
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  As I usually do. I would say I have mixed
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  feelings on it. There's some things I like and
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  some things where I'm like, I don't think that would be super
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  great, but right. So the screenwriter was
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  originally Stuart, BD, right? Yeah, BD, BD.
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  Sorry if I'm saying that wrong. I think it's BD BD.
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  He's an Australian screenwriter and he wrote The Pirates of the
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  Caribbean, The Black Pearl like the original 1.
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  The good one. Right, exactly the only one.
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  I really liked with it. No, it was so fresh at the time.
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  But then he wrote Collateral and I think was nominated for an
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  Oscar at a BAFTA and everything for that.
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  But I don't like that movie. I think it has a really weak
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  script. Yeah.
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  I don't think I've ever seen it. I love Michael Mann, he is one
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  of my favorite directors of all time and that movie is so
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  contrived to me and nothing about it felt genuine.
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  But interesting. Except Tom.
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  Cruise, which is funny 'cause sometimes I feel like Tom Cruise
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  is really forced, but I really like him.
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  Totally. But yeah.
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  Yeah, I feel the same way about Tom Cruise.
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  Yeah, it's like he's always just Tom Cruise.
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  And sometimes, yeah, that's fine.
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  But in this movie they had him. He had, like, white hair.
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  He was not looking like himself. And I think it kind of like, let
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  him go a little bit into the character, and that was more
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  enjoyable. But I still felt the story was
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  super weak. Oh, he also wrote Australia,
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  which is kind of like that big famous movie with Nicole Kidman
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  and Hugh Jackman, I think. Right, that's his.
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  Name the two most perfect Australian actors that you can
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  get. Truly, they are ridiculously
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  beautiful people. Really.
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  Truly. Oh, he also wrote Derailed,
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  which I hate. I hate that movie.
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  This has gone from great to I didn't like that to terrible.
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  Yeah, like, oh, I don't like that movie.
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  It's and I don't, I, I have to be honest, I don't really
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  remember the script so much as that that movie was just not
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  pleasant to watch. So I'm not necessarily super
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  disappointed that he didn't end up writing the script because
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  generally I I haven't really liked his work except Pirates of
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  the Caribbean, which I fucking loved.
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  Yeah. So I don't know, he gets
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  credited with the story in Obi Wan Kenobi, but that's because
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  he came up with the general like structure.
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  But it's so different what they ended up doing compared to what
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  he he's discussed on podcasts and stuff like that.
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  I don't know if he's he's not released his original script
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  anywhere from what I understand. Here's my question to Mr.
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  Beattie. Has he ever watched Clone Wars?
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  He, he didn't make reference to it, did he?
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  In one of the interviews that I read, I think because he knew.
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  So he does know about Ahsoka. Tano, OH just.
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  Asking you see where I'm going with?
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  This instant teen crees right? Like kind.
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  Of, oh, I mean, while we're at it, yeah.
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  I don't know. I was just two names.
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  I thought Mike come. Up just a question, a good a
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  good question. I didn't see it mentioned
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  anywhere if he scrapped scripts so.
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  No, he didn't mention it and he did mention Cody, which?
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  Yes. Yes, I think of all the ideas
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  that he kind of put out there as possibilities.
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  I like that idea, but not necessarily the way he intended
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  to bring it in. I don't know I'm.
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  I'm also with you. Let's talk about the Cody
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  element first. Shall we?
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  Let's do it. Well, so from what I gather,
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  Cody was supposed to be on Tatooine and meet up with Kenobi
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  kind of haphazardly. Yeah, when he described, you
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  probably read the same thing, right?
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  Where Like everyone's walking down an alley and Cody pops out
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  and puts a knife to his throat and he's like, you're not being
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  careful. Is that the first time they meet
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  or is that just? I'm guessing that's how I
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  gathered OK. Which is a weird way to say hi.
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  I mean, how else are they going to say it though?
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  Like he tried to kill him. He can't just walk up and be
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  like hey buddy, hey pal, no, sorry A.
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  Richer way of doing? I don't know, it could be way
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  more tasty, but whatever. 100% So let's say we're dealt this.
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  OK the the part I think that you don't like, cuz I didn't like it
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  either, is that they go on to bicker throughout their time on
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  Tatooine like an old married couple.
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  Yeah. And I don't see that happening.
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  That was not their dynamic, no. No, never.
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  There was a respect like a general and and was very Rex was
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  more personable, Yeah, even though he was also very
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  military, very respectful, very about the job, right.
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  All the clones were. Yeah.
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  But there was a little more, like he let loose a little more.
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  Yeah, and he was kind of caught between Anakin and Ahsoka, who
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  were always bickering. It was their dynamic.
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  It was not Obi Wan. Not yeah, yeah.
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  So I could see him like, hey, dumb ass, you're not being,
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  like, cautious enough. And Obi Wan being like, Oh my
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  God, is it really you? And then then that's where
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  additional effort would be needed to smooth that out.
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  But the basis of it is Obi Wan goes through his like dark times
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  and leaves Tatooine and Cody is left to watch over Luke while
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  he's gone. Which is an interesting thing
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  because Cody never really had a lot of interaction with Anakin
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  or Padme for that matter. Again, Rex, not Cody, but I
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  could see Cody doing that for Obi Wan.
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  I could see him doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Like, and it was like their B plot where you'd cut back to
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  Cody ripping his hair out to take care of a child.
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  I don't know. Well then he would have to deal
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  with Lars and I think that would be interesting.
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  But I enjoyed Obi Wan and Lars having some discourse.
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  I really enjoyed that because it's it's very realistic given
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  the situation. I agree.
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  It was very good. I felt believable attention that
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  existed in the actual show very much.
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  And I'm going to be honest, I would if you're going to bring
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  Cody back. Yeah.
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  I don't want Cody to watch over Luke and Obi Wan to leave.
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  I want to see first of all Cody realizing what happened and then
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  when he goes to find Obi Wan, the last time they saw each
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  other Cody tried to kill him. Wouldn't there need to be time
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  of rebuilding trust and Obi Wan not really really trusting Cody
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  for a while? I think that's more interesting
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  personally than them suddenly hitting it off and bickering.
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  I think Cody should have been the one to see the clone in the
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  like the homeless clone in that city.
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  Where was that? Honestly, I can't remember the
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  name of it. It was like the.
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  But you remember how he was like down and out on the ground,
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  dirty. Yeah, when Obi Wan was looking
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  for the drug Lord facility, yes. I think that could have been
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  very interesting if they'd have had Cody see that because Cody
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  did this, he partook in this, and that's one of his actual
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  brothers. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see
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  him figure out what to do with that.
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  When they started in Bad Batch, and granted I didn't finish the
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  last season so I don't know if they ever concluded this at all,
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  but they started to show Cody starting to shift a little bit
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  and he was beginning to question what they were doing with the
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  Empire now that he was serving the Empire instead of serving
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  the Jedi. And they never concluded it.
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  They never actually had him say it either.
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  They just kind of implied it. And I always thought because if
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  they do like a season 2 of the Kenobi series, they could pull
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  that in there somehow and it could be interesting.
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  Oh, for sure, yeah. 'Cause I, like I know a lot of
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  people have said bringing Obi Wan and Cody back together
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  somehow, even if it's not pleasant, would be very
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  interesting to watch. 100% they'd have to be gentle with it
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  and do it right. Yeah, yeah.
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  Just don't thrust them together. This has to be well thought out.
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  Yeah, yeah. This is not a rushed thing
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  'cause there's too much there. When some people were saying it
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  felt like fan service in in Stewart's original idea for the
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  script, that it felt like less that Cody had a purpose and more
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  that he was just kind of like the B story to keep people
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  entertained. But it wasn't.
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  Necessarily glad that we didn't get that.
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  Yeah, because it didn't feel super truthful to the characters
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  in my opinion. I think it's OK that nobody
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  watched over Luke. Yeah, it added.
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  It added tension. Yes.
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  Because that was that was Obi Wan's thing.
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  He had to. That's what he devoted himself
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  to. And just.
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  Going to take him away was his sister.
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  Oh, really? Yeah, you read my mind.
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  Well, Well, part of Stewart's original script was that Obi Wan
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  was like living with Luke and training him right off the bat.
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  I'm not a fan of this. I'm not a fan.
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  Of it. OK, I was gonna ask what you
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  thought of it. I'm the same.
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  What do you think? I don't like it either.
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  I think it's. Well, here we are.
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  Space wins. What a shock.
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  Right. Space wins again.
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  I mean the whole concept in A New Hope, when Luke sees Obi
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  Wan, Yeah, it seems as though they they know of each other,
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  but that they do not know each other.
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  Obi Wan knows more about him than Luke knows about Obi Wan.
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  But there's something there, yes, Which I think you you could
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  this is my kind of fanservice. You could blame that on the
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  Force that they connected when they did see each other like at
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  the end of the Kenobi series that there was a force
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  connection and Luke is remembering or kind of trying to
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  like the essence of Obi Wan. It's that thing.
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  It's not his smell. I'm talking about like his
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  forced signature. If Obi Wan had a Cologne, it
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  would be called the essence of Obi.
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  Wan, he's going to say bottle that up and sell it.
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  Oh God, I was trying to make a good point, I think, or just a
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  point. What I'm saying is I think Luke
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  would recognize him through the forts.
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  Yeah, the familiarity, just like how they they even implied that
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  Leia didn't, they implied that like Leia recognized Padme or
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  something like that because of like a or like when she said
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  feelings, you know, when Luke asks totally remember your
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  mother. So that was, I think that would
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  totally make sense. Totally.
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  Yep. Yeah, yeah.
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  There's there. I mean in the comic books they
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  do talk about Obi Wan watching over Luke but not being in his
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  life. So there's I think there's a
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  story where Luke ends up out in the desert at night and Obi Wan
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  carries him home back to the. Lawyers.
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  Yeah, I would, I would love that.
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  Yeah, I love that very much. So again, like, kind of, you
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  know, a ghost in the night, saving the day, leaving the boy
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  in safety and going back to retreat.
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  I don't know if that was supposed to take place before
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  the Kenobi series. I'd have to go back and check
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  the comic book. And I don't know, comics I think
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  are they really considered Canon and part of the story?
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  It depends on which ones and when and who.
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  Yeah, this is a newer Marvel 1, so it's not like a Legends one,
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  but who knows still at this point.
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  Yeah, I I think it would have weakens A New Hope, or at least
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  given a lot of opportunity to undermine A New Hope if that had
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  been the story we got. Yeah, I think they they bridged
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  a lot of gaps very carefully. But overall, what we got in the
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  Kenobi show was a wrap up, a closure of Revenge of the Sith,
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  more so than a prelude to A New Hope, which I think is good.
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  Yeah. The audience is growing up and
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  the audience grew up with Revenge of the Sith.
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  They know Hayden, you know, they know you.
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  And this is this is this generation's version of them.
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  And I think having it post Revenge of the Sith kind of wrap
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  up with Clone Wars is better than like try to set up New
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  Hope. New Hope doesn't need a setup.
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  Yes. We have Rogue One for that
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  pretty much. And what a setup that is, holy
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  shit. What did you think about the
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  Vader and Obi Wan duel from B DS?
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  Lost script or dumped script? Reminded me what the setup is
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  about it 'cause. Well they were supposed to duel,
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  but it was on a space station that falls into OH.
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  Yeah. Like it falls into a gas planet
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  or something and is get gets destroyed.
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  Right and Reva. Reva's there.
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  Yeah. And she dies.
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  She doesn't carry on. She tells Vader she killed Obi
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  Wan to protect Obi Wan's escape, right?
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  That's the idea. Yeah.
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  I don't think it's a bad idea. I I like the idea of falling
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  into a gas giant. That's kind of fun.
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  I didn't like it as much as what we got.
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  I like the cold Stony, it was very symbolic.
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  'Cause it's very opposite of Mustafar, yeah, which we've deep
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  dived into this. Go find that episode.
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  I love when we talked about the Kenobi battles that like the
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  different battles that Obi Wan has done.
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  And the Kenobi series is so like, there's a reference to
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  Phantom Menace. There's a reference to the being
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  the the opposite of Revenge of the Sith, which is so
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  meaningful. Yes.
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  And I liked, I did like that better.
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  I don't think I would have necessarily disliked what Stuart
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  Beatty had had conceptualized and the idea of Reva maybe
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  actually being good and like helping Obi Wan.
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  I think that makes more sense than what she did in the show.
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  Yeah, which? You and I talked about that
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  where it's kind of like why, why did she go go after Luke and
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  where did that come a. Great character done extremely
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  well by the actress. I just don't think the
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  character's end was. I don't know, this would have
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  given her something else. Really what the script said was
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  is that Obi Wan manages to escape, Riva let's him and then
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  Vader. She claims to have killed Obi
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  Wan and Vader's pissed that he wasn't the one to do it so he
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  kills her. Yes.
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  And like she's sacrificed essentially knowing she allowed
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  Obi Wan to go and then her pain is ended when like all of her
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  pain with Vader and what happened to her as a kid and all
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  this stuff padawan etcetera. So we get closure for her.
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  We do get closure for her. We lose the actress and and and
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  the character, but I think it makes a lot more sense.
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  However, I'm not OK with Vader should have known that he wasn't
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  dead. He would have felt it.
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  He's been feeling him this whole time.
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  Yeah, so I don't believe that. I think it would have been
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  believable if Vader let her think it killed her just to get
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  rid of her and then went back on his his bullshit until Palpatine
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  says, hey, I need you to focus. We have a war here or we have a
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  Galaxy to run or whatever. So like, you know.
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  I need your laser focus right here.
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  Right here. Yeah, I agree.
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  And I think it it had the potential for a little bit of
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  stronger closure for a lot of the characters.
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  But like you said, there's it's not perfect still.
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  And I liked what we got, but also 'cause I loved, I honestly
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  love seeing Aunt Peru be a fucking badass.
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  Oh for sure yes that was so awesome.
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  They had that shit figured out and planned and ready to go like
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  they practiced it. I loved everything about That's
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  a Homestead. Defending their home and their
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  life and their kid like that is exactly what I would expect from
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  those two. And it finally gave Owen a
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  chance to say he is mine. Like, I do love him, even though
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  he's gruff and cranky and tough. Yeah, that was great.
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  I loved that Riva's God getting stabbed in the abdomen and
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  surviving. And then here we go.
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  Yeah. And like, I liked that she kind
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  of had her little moment of redemption with Obi Wan and he
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  helped pull her into like, I guess forgiving her whatever it
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  was that she needed and she could potentially come back in
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  the future or maybe she'll help on the path with Force sensitive
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  kids or whatever. But it was less closure, and it
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  left a lot of people feeling like what just happened, like.
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  Yeah, she. Sure changed her tune real quick
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  after being on a rampage for a long time.
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  So yeah. I still can't get over her duel
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  that wasn't with Vader. Yeah, that was so good.
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  So good on like Vader's part of just a mouse.
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  And a cat. A cat just batting a mouse
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  around. I hate to even say that because
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  it makes me sad, but that poor mouse.
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  I know, I know you. Just can't turns me on.
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  Not the cat and the mouse, but like I know Anakin's in there
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  and it's enough for me to be like, I'm sorry, I never said I
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  was right. And never, and I'll never say
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  it, I do think it would be super cruel.
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  Say the script went through and and Riva let's Obi Wan go and
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  she thinks she's doing something really good for Obi Wan.
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  But Vader already knows that he's not dead.
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  Like if that was the be the change and he kills her letting
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  her think whatever she wants, that's kind of cruel.
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  Yeah. She dies thinking she did
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  something and he just kills her because it's just another body
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  count for him. Yeah, he's so flippant about
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  killing random people, he's got no problem with it at.
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  All no problem 0 there's no. That's my final thought on that.
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  Well, there's no mention in in Stuart Beatty's treatment or
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  script, whatever of that interaction we got on the mining
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  planet. True can't.
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  Remember what that was called? But that whole episode was I
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  think my favorite from all of the Kenobi series because there
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  was this great interaction with Leia and Obi Wan but then the
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  the like awful duel between Vader and Kenobi and Vader
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  lights him on fire and drags him.
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  Through the fire, truly. Would that have happened?
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  I don't. I don't think so.
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  I there was no mention of that. Who came up with that?
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  Because bravo, it's the exact kind of like it's, it's like
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  next level terror and ruthlessness from Vader that we
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  want. That's the Vader that is like
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  absolutely 0. Respect for Life 0.
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  I saw on Reddit, there was a thread there where people were
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  talking about how originally it was supposed to be very bleak,
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  like the Kenobi series was going to be very dark, and Catherine
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  Kennedy wanted to put a stop to it because she felt it was going
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  in the wrong direction. And in this threat, people were
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  saying, I know people were saying the favorite parts of the
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  Kenobi series are the bleakest parts, and they even mentioned
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  that part where Vader drags the lady down the alley and all that
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  stuff. It's true, Star Wars is supposed
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  to be about hope, but we need the contrast, right?
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  So that we feel the hope when it comes so. 100% we need.
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  Bleak, but we need to recover from it, I think, and that's not
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  something we get in other fandoms always.
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  And that should be, I mean should be something quote UN
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  quote air quotes, something we get from Star Wars 'cause that
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  was George Lucas's original idea.
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  But. Yes.
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  You and I like dark, we like bleak.
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  Well, it's so gratifying because on the other side, we know who
• 23:30
  prevails, and it's the good guys, the hope, those who cling
• 23:35
  to the light. We want that dark because it
• 23:41
  evokes something in US and we're scared, but we know we can rise
• 23:45
  up from it. And that's kind of the what the
• 23:49
  rebellion is. Absolutely.
• 23:52
  We need to know that the leaders are ruthless.
• 23:56
  Right. And it's then it's, it's
• 23:58
  justified kind of also for the rebellion to be how they are.
• 24:04
  Yeah, and everything that Cassian says.
• 24:06
  We've all done terrible things in the name of this rebellion.
• 24:09
  Yeah. Against the Empire, I mean,
• 24:11
  something has to be justified. And it's, listen, Palpatine
• 24:15
  alone, OK? He's a different, he's a
• 24:18
  different cat. We're talking like the layers
• 24:21
  below him, the Tarkins and the the Vaders and everyone
• 24:26
  underneath them. You know, there's How could I
• 24:30
  forget my boy in The Cave? Renick, are you talking about?
• 24:38
  Yes, there's layers to this shit player like.
• 24:44
  There's ape layers. There's layers of attire as
• 24:48
  well, like all the way down to the dedras if you will.
• 24:52
  The ruthless will do anything to make it will do anything to rise
• 24:57
  higher in the ranks to try and appease those at the top like
• 25:01
  Vader and Palpatine and Tarkin the the three headed monster.
• 25:06
  Like the? Empire is not OK.
• 25:11
  Yeah. And it shouldn't be portrayed as
• 25:14
  just some entity that's like, oh, they're scary, but we really
• 25:17
  don't know why. Right and that's why I think
• 25:21
  Andor brings so much to to that side of it.
• 25:25
  You know, I that was the first time I remember after watching
• 25:29
  the Narcena 5 episodes feeling so low and it was just like,
• 25:37
  this must be what it. I mean a.
• 25:39
  Fraction of what it's like that the characters are feeling, you
• 25:42
  know? Right.
• 25:44
  But thank God they like pulled us out of it, but not before
• 25:47
  kicking us in the ass one more time.
• 25:50
  Exactly. OK, Yeah, I I thought that's
• 25:53
  where we were going and I hate it.
• 25:56
  I know I just, it still hurts and it will hurt forever.
• 26:01
  I will say something I did like about his structure, like his
• 26:05
  concept. Yeah, as he had the thought that
• 26:08
  there were three stages Obi Wan had to go through to get him to
• 26:11
  like the New Hope version. Part of it.
• 26:15
  I think the first one is where he said he had to come to terms
• 26:17
  with the Force and like letting go of.
• 26:21
  Which we got. Yes, in a sense, yeah.
• 26:26
  I forget what he said this. He didn't even say what the
• 26:29
  third concept was, but the second concept was.
• 26:33
  Oh, Luke. Yes.
• 26:35
  His two most relation important relationships, his relationship
• 26:39
  with the Force and his relationship with Luke.
• 26:41
  Yes, and. So.
• 26:43
  The idea of coming to terms with his mortality.
• 26:46
  Right, because when we get to A New Hope and he dies, why does
• 26:49
  he die so easily? Why does he is just OK with it?
• 26:53
  Exactly. Yeah, like exploring that.
• 26:56
  And he was suggesting it would be through Qui Gon and Qui Gon
• 27:00
  maybe warning him that there will come a time where you're
• 27:02
  you're going to have to sacrifice yourself for the
• 27:04
  greater good. And Obi one finding a way of
• 27:07
  coming to terms with that so that it doesn't seem like such a
• 27:10
  throwaway decision in a New Hope.
• 27:13
  That could have been cool. It's not, well, the fact that I
• 27:17
  think we got that through his interactions with Leia, because
• 27:20
  that's isn't that. The only time he sees Leia since
• 27:24
  then is when him and when, when? Excuse me, When she and Luke
• 27:28
  come running in there and he's with Vader, and he looks over
• 27:31
  and he gives that smile. We are now interpreting that as
• 27:36
  OK, they're together. They've got this.
• 27:38
  My, my job is done. Yeah, I'm out.
• 27:42
  Which I think is beautiful. I think so too.
• 27:44
  I love that idea that I mean, who knows if they come up,
• 27:48
  they've they're now batting around the idea of maybe doing a
• 27:51
  season 2 for Kenobi. I don't know how serious that
• 27:55
  is, but who knows what they could introduce there.
• 27:57
  But for now, that is how I interpret that and I love that
• 28:01
  now. It makes me so emotional when I
• 28:03
  watch A New Hope now. It completely changes everything
• 28:08
  about that, and not in a bad way.
• 28:10
  It gives it depth, it gives it meaning, yeah, Which they did
• 28:16
  really well. When in some of these articles
• 28:18
  that we've been reading about this prior script, people were
• 28:23
  saying that they found it kind of frustrating that it focused
• 28:26
  more on Obi Wan and Leia. And I really liked that,
• 28:29
  actually. I was not expecting it at all.
• 28:32
  I'd never thought they would. I didn't think they would touch
• 28:34
  that. I didn't even honestly think
• 28:36
  that they were going to touch Luke.
• 28:37
  I thought it was going to be like you'd see him in the
• 28:39
  background and then Obi Wan would be on some space
• 28:41
  adventure, right? I thought the Leia plotline was
• 28:46
  really enjoyable. Personally.
• 28:47
  It was one of my favorite things that they brought.
• 28:51
  It really does make sense if Luke, if Obi Wan is going to
• 28:55
  leave Luke, it's for his twin. Yeah.
• 29:00
  He loved Anakin and Padme. They had two children.
• 29:05
  Yeah. It makes complete sense why and
• 29:09
  and and Bale to call on Obi Wan is exactly Bale telling Leia to
• 29:16
  call on Obi Wan. That makes complete sense.
• 29:21
  Yeah. Now, like Leia's infamous
• 29:24
  message to Obi Wan is, makes sense, Bale knows that he can be
• 29:27
  counted on. And so does Leia.
• 29:30
  That's why she knows it's worth risking everything to go there
• 29:33
  for him. Yeah.
• 29:35
  Yeah, do I have to say it? Say what?
• 29:45
  Star Wars is pain. Of course.
• 29:49
  But it's beautiful. It's the train.
• 29:51
  Though. It is.
• 29:54
  So in general, how would you wrap it up?
• 29:56
  Would you say that you preferred what we got or you would have
• 29:58
  liked to see what he had originally planned?
• 30:04
  I like what we got. However, I could see some of
• 30:09
  these things working with a little bit of adjustment here
• 30:14
  and there, maybe not verbatim from what we know.
• 30:17
  What? You know what we do know about
• 30:19
  these scripts without actually having them?
• 30:22
  Everything comes in and then gets readjusted.
• 30:28
  Every script, right? A little tweak here, a little
• 30:30
  tweak there, blah blah blah. Sometimes on set while they're
• 30:33
  filming. Seriously.
• 30:35
  But I think the core things, what we got with the Kenobi
• 30:40
  show, we must keep. I, I, I would not trade those
• 30:44
  for another script. How about you?
• 30:47
  I agree, I I feel the same way. I think that this I guess this
• 30:51
  encompassed because he had originally planned it as a
• 30:53
  trilogy of films. Right.
• 30:56
  That would not have worked. I think it would have been
• 30:58
  dragged on. It'd have been too much.
• 31:00
  Well, and this plan was right while Solo was coming out.
• 31:06
  Right, and that's why it never went through.
• 31:08
  Yeah, and like Solo got such a bad reception that it just
• 31:11
  tanked all the other movie projects at the time.
• 31:15
  And maybe for the best, I don't know 'cause would this have
• 31:20
  worked better as a movie? Would it have had a bigger
• 31:24
  budget? Would they have not filmed it on
• 31:26
  the volume? And would it have looked better
• 31:28
  to me personally? Maybe I wouldn't have minded
• 31:32
  that so much, but I did like give them.
• 31:35
  More it gives you more chances of failure.
• 31:39
  They they take, you know, if you give them X amount of time, like
• 31:43
  3 movies, they're going to add a lot more filler that isn't
• 31:47
  necessary. You're right, yeah.
• 31:48
  You're really right, so I would be afraid to trade off having
• 31:51
  bigger budget more time when just do it in this amount and do
• 31:57
  what needs to be shown. Would you like a season 2 do you
• 32:01
  think? I still don't know.
• 32:03
  I I still don't know. I think it's perfect the way it
• 32:06
  is. I don't know.
• 32:09
  I don't I still. Don't know like you said and
• 32:10
  more opportunities to fuck something.
• 32:13
  I know, but just let him ride off into the sunset on his EOP
• 32:21
  with Horse Goes Qui Gon and let them go talk about whatever
• 32:24
  they're going to talk about and we'll see in A New Hope.
• 32:27
  That's where I'm at with it. We're lucky for what we got.
• 32:32
  I don't. I don't want to push it.
• 32:34
  That's true. What?
• 32:35
  I'm. I mean, like, I don't know, I'm
• 32:37
  so tired on it now because I would have loved to see him
• 32:42
  reconnecting with Qui Gon and struggling.
• 32:44
  But now that's done. He's come to the acceptance.
• 32:47
  Yeah. So right.
• 32:48
  There might not really be any need for that at this point.
• 32:52
  Could it be cool to see how he learns to become one with the
• 32:55
  Force? That might be cool.
• 32:56
  Like how Yoda had to go off and go to the wills.
• 33:00
  And do I want to see him with Quinlan?
• 33:02
  Yes, I do. Yes, we're still with that, yes.
• 33:08
  I would really like that I. Would really like that too, but
• 33:11
  like we said. Yeah.
• 33:14
  Maybe to better leave it be and have our brains work.
• 33:17
  Right at this point it's gilding the Lily.
• 33:19
  I think we've got pretty good what they gave us so.
• 33:24
  Obi Wan and Vader are kind of like we gave you this because
• 33:29
  they're the Ogs, no more because they're too special.
• 33:31
  It's true. It's like the pinnacle.
• 33:33
  There's nowhere to go from there.
• 33:35
  That's the best you're going to get.
• 33:37
  That's it. They have a New Hope and
• 33:39
  everything after that it's they're the Ogs.
• 33:41
  Like that's it, leave them be. Yeah, that's where I'm at.
• 33:45
  Yeah. So the question for you this
• 33:54
  week, would you have preferred to see Cody in the Kenobi
• 33:59
  series? So why tell us all your
• 34:02
  thoughts? Gosh, we are here to catch your
• 34:04
  thoughts. Now the next episode we're going
• 34:12
  to talk about Anakin and Rex in their dynamic.
• 34:17
  So we talked about kind of the Cody Kenobi thing when talking
• 34:21
  about the scripts that never came to be.
• 34:24
  We kind of got the vibe that you know what, let's explore the
• 34:27
  other half of this, the sloppier half, the Messier pair.
• 34:33
  No, they had an interesting dynamic.
• 34:36
  And of course, we'll we'll bring Ahsoka into the mix.
• 34:40
  But there's a lot there to cover with Anakin and Rex and what
• 34:44
  could have been, you know, what if Rex knew?
• 34:47
  What if Rex ever found out after the fact?
• 34:50
  All this stuff. There's a lot there.
• 34:52
  Did you know the stuff he knew about Padme?
• 34:54
  There's just a lot to cover. So we're going to talk about
• 34:57
  those two in our next episode. And in our last episode we
• 35:05
  discussed James Earl Jones and his iconic amazing voice and we
• 35:11
  asked people what was their first introduction to him if it
• 35:14
  wasn't Star Wars and Coffee Addicted 1988 said.
• 35:20
  Pretty sure my introduction to his iconic voice was through
• 35:23
  Mufasa. Not sure what I was right, same
• 35:26
  as you. Mine too.
• 35:29
  Not sure when I watched Star Wars for the first time with my
• 35:33
  dad. Same here.
• 35:36
  All I can say was both were on VHS at the same at the time.
• 35:40
  James Earl Jones will be missed but never forgotten.
• 35:44
  Absolutely, 100%. Got a lot of great responses to
• 35:48
  with people saying their favorite Vader lines.
• 35:51
  It was great. There's so many good there's.
• 35:54
  Man, that could be a whole other episode.
• 35:58
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• 36:02
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• 36:05
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• 36:08
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