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Was Euphoria Season 3 Delicious? w/ Toni Rushlow · The Delicious Culture with Jon Francois

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He's black, she's Hispanic. Yeah, I guess that
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would be cocoa butter babies. By the way, cocoa
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butter lotion. I haven't used it in many years,
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baby. I would highly recommend it. I know you're
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not a fan of lotion or moisturizing of any kind,
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but like, I would recommend cocoa butter. Put
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lotion on sometimes. You know, when you want
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to. All right, that's enough. Let's not discuss
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this. Hey, delishies. Grab a plate and taste
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the delicious culture. I'm your host, Jon François.
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We are feasting on food, pop culture, and lifestyle
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for the, I don't know how many times, the fourth
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or fifth time it seems like. My beautiful wife
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Tony Rushlow returns! Hi Tony! Hi Jonathan. Uh,
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we have just returned from carrying what was
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originally going to be a big heavy broken cupboard
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from our bathroom. Uh, but then I unintentionally,
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uh, dropped it, uh, when we tried to carry it
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down the stairs and outside to our house and
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toward the garage and the cupboard broke into
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pieces. And because the cupboard broke into pieces,
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it made it a lot easier to carry it into the
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garage. So you're welcome, Tony. I mean, look,
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a lot of the times I'm all clumsy and flimsy
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and not exactly smooth when it comes to carrying
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stuff or anything having to do with home repairs.
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So I'm glad that this time it worked, right?
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It did. It did make it easier. Yep. Yep. Well,
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we are here to talk about a bunch of things,
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Memorial Day weekend, euphoria. First off, Memorial
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Day weekend. How is it for you, Tony? I don't
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know about you, but because my life for... about
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six weeks from April 7th through May 17th. It
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was crazy because of being in the Vermont stage
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production of Rhinoceros. And for those of you
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listening and watching, maybe you already saw
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the Ian Walls episode, one of the cast members
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that I did Rhinoceros with. And Tony, you already
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know, I mean, I worked 10, 12 hours as an Uber
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and Lyft driver. And then I was going to rehearsals
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for Rhinoceros in the evening during the week.
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And it was pretty much taking up my entire weekend.
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And then you had the final performances in front
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of the audience, which was like, Thursday through
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Sunday evenings, matinees, especially Saturday,
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both the matinee and the evening. So doing all
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that and then the podcast and then all the driving,
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like I didn't have much of a life and to have
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more of a life than I have had in the past six
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weeks with you for this Memorial Day weekend
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is special. So thank you for that. Yes. It was
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the first weekend that we've actually both had
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time to spend together in quite a while. Yeah.
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Well, well, well, I mean, of course it's not
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just me. I mean, you've been busy, too. Let people
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know what you've been up to. Oh, just the usual
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work in and the dog rescue. Yes, and not just
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any dog rescue, friends for life dog rescue in
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Newport, Vermont. No. Then we are a foster -based
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dog rescue in the Northeast Kingdom. Okay, there
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you go. What? No, no, Newport is in the Northeast
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Kingdom, isn't it? Yeah, but we're not. We're
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foster -based, so you can't really give a town.
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Yeah. And may I say that my dear wife is the
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president of Sad Friends for Life Dog Rescue
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in the Northeast Kingdom area, slash Newport,
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Vermont. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, she has a lot going
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on. She has a nine to five job where she also
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is. Well, no, no. I mean, I, yeah, I know technically
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eight to five or eight to seven, eight to six,
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depending on like emergency appointments and
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people coming up to you at the last minute. Like,
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Oh man, my, my, my cat put its foot in a thing
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of hot pockets. And now it's infected, even though
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you told us never to do that before. Like sometimes
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you have, sometimes you have clients who may
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be like that, but yeah, no, you're a veterinary
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technician at the animal doctor in Newport, Vermont,
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and you're a president. of a dog rescue outside
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of that. So you're busy doing good for all the
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animals out there. Yeah. Yeah. So good for you.
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Um, and this weekend, uh, this long holiday weekend,
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we had a chance to, uh, just relax and also get
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some stuff done. We put up a new fence baby in
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our front yard. Yes. Thank God. Explain to the
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lovely audience why we had to do that. Because
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for some reason it is so goddamn windy where
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we live and we just had so many windstorms and
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language baby goddamn language Language you can
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say fuck, but you can't say goddamn the Lord's
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name in vain language No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
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But yeah, no, no, but go ahead. We've been having
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wind crazy wind lately and and just so much wind
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and it just like knocked the fence over and it
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was it was like half -assed fix to get us by,
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but, you know, not great. Well, it's an exaggeration.
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It didn't knock the fence completely over it.
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Yes it did. I just fixed it. You fixed it. Well,
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okay, what did you do to fix it? Put a whole
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other panel up to cover the hole. Okay, and explain
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to people, like, what kind of fencing we have.
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Like, what's it made of and what comes with it?
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Like, just explain all of that. We just had T
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-posts with welded sheet fencing. Okay. And the
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fencing is wired, right? It's wired fencing.
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Yeah, it's welded wire. Welded wire. Okay. Okay.
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I just want to make sure that the audience knows
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what we're talking about. I don't want to leave
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them in the dark here. So yeah, we've had crazy
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wind, thunderstorms, of course our dog Archer,
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one of our five dogs, Archer, not a big fan of
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it. Explain why. Yeah. He's got noise phobias.
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So he doesn't like thunderstorms and loud noises
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and wind. very loud wind and he has caused himself
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some mild separation anxiety recently in those
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events but he's on some meds and has a new kennel
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that are doing the trick. Yeah and he's broken
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how many teeth because he was like so scared
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trying to get out of his former crate. He broke
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four canine teeth. Wow. And how many out of how
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many canine teeth? Like what? That's all of them.
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That's all? Wait, wait. So what's the difference?
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The canines are the big long ones. Okay. So what
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does the canine teeth provide that the regular
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teeth don't provide? The canine teeth are for
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ripping and tearing. Okay. If he doesn't have
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those, then he cannot rip and tear up toys. Yeah,
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I don't know if you noticed, but that Santa toy
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that's in his kennel, he's had that same toy
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for like a week and a half. And like toys never
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last that long. Okay, so because he doesn't have
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his canine teeth anymore. Yeah, you can't, like,
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grab them. So there's no way you guys can, like,
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surgically put new canine teeth? Uh, that is
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a thing that they do sometimes for, like, police
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dogs and stuff. Okay. Which makes sense, because
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I guess it's for, like, we want the police dogs
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to have the right kind of teeth to bite down
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criminals or bite down bags of cocaine or whatever
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the hell they have to do. We don't want them
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biting the backs of drugs. Well, police dogs
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need to have a good time too, you know? Sniffing.
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Sniffing the powder. Um, okay, so I'm learning
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about Archer's canine teeth. I would imagine
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it's a lot of money to get new canine teeth.
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Yeah, and I mean, he doesn't need them, so taking
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them out is the... Kindest option so they're
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not like painful and obsessed or anything, right?
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So it's kind of like our other dogs like Boomer
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and Edgar who will slowly but surely go through
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a toy They're not really that obsessed with it.
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Like he's uh, you know, our archer is doing his
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best He's a disabled person in the in the mouth
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category He's a disabled toothman Oh god, so
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yeah, I know he's been scared silly and not only
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him but one of our newest dogs or Well, really
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our newest dog dotty that we had in last year.
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We talked about that in the last episode you
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were on Yeah, no, she's also scared not scared
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so much to the point of no Pacing and whining.
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Yeah pacing whining. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep Um, so
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yeah, crazy wind. I don't know why. I mean, is
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there any science to like, oh, if you live in
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a certain place in Northern Vermont, the wind?
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Well, I mean, I think part of it is because of
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where we live because you have the mountain on
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the other side, like across from us. And then
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it like, so like the wind comes down the mountain
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and then we live right on the other side of the
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river. So it comes down the mountain into the
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river valley and back up the other side. Damn.
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Well, that's a science lesson that I didn't expect.
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That's, that's very interesting. I like that.
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Um, so they, uh, they're scared Archer and Dottie.
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They don't like, they don't like the wind. They
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don't like the rain. They don't like the thunderstorms.
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God forbid if they're around fireworks, it's
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terrible for them. Um, So we're definitely excited
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for 4th of July coming up because of that. Yeah,
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we had to give Archer drugs for like a week straight
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last year because of that. Yeah, but you were
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saying that with the original wired fencing that
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we had, the reason why the wind kind of fucked
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it up was because we had like the black privacy
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curtain thing. Yeah, like the privacy cloth.
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So it like gave more surface area for the wind
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to like hold on to and like push it over and
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stuff. Okay, yeah, yeah. And there was a point
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where didn't we have to like leash some of our
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dogs because of the broken down fence and fear
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that they would like escape and go into like
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our neighbor's yard or something like I forgot
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what we did before I fixed the debt before I
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did the temporary fix we were leashing boomer
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because he's a crazy man yeah and just because
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he would just want to run around like a crazy
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guy yeah so we leashed boomer Um, and then after
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a while, I mean, I, I don't know about you, but
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I detected that boomer didn't really care about
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going far. He was just kind of content with being
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in the, in the yard. Um, and then before we got,
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and then I fixed it. You did fix it. Okay. So
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there was a little, so there was a point where
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the fence was a little bit better, but still
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kind of broken down and fucked up before we.
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um, got the, the new fence that we put up on
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Saturday. Um, and it wasn't as difficult and
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long as I thought it would be. You know, we had
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the, we had the, we had the music pump in, we
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had our contacts in because, you know, it's very
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difficult or inconvenient to do this kind of
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work with our glasses on. Um, we went to pound
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town with that fence pounder thing. I know you're
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shaking your head, but I like to call it pound
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town because, um, uh, for those of you who never
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put up a fence before, you got your poles, and
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then the poles, of course, you know, to attach
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the wire fence part to it, but the poles have
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to like go deep into the ground. And how else
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are you going to put it deep into the ground?
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You pound it, you pound it, you pound it with
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the fence pounder thing, but it's not called
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that. You're saying it's called a post -racial
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fence thing? What is it called? Post office?
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A post driver. Post driver, okay, okay, gotcha.
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But baby, that's the people that deliver the
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mail, right? The post office? Get out of here.
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So why is it called a post driver? That has nothing
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to do with fencing. Drives the posts into the
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ground? Oh yeah, like the fence post. Okay, I
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see what you're saying. That makes sense. But
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the pounder pound town... is a lot better. And,
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you know, God, it was so loud and over -simulating.
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I mean, I was being such a baby at first with
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it because I was just like, oh my God, because
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it was my job to hold on to the post while you
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were pounding and pounding it down to the ground.
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And it was loud. And also I was afraid that you
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were going to pound my hand with the pound town
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stick. And, you know, we both agreed, OK, this
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is over -simulating. Let's go get some earplugs.
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And, uh, we, uh, very clearly learned that my
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ears are disgusting when we had to take out the
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earplugs. Yeah, baby. Look, I read on chat GBT
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somewhere that like, you know, baby every now
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and then I like to know things. Okay. I know
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it's bad for the environment, but it's there.
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And I'm sorry for people. Look, you didn't object
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to when I made my delicious culture logo with
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it. You were just like, thumbs up on the text.
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Like, fine. So that, that logo that you guys
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see - That's because I know you don't have money
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to pay someone. What? That's because I know you
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don't have money to pay someone. Well, I mean,
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okay. So it's either - I don't even have to literally,
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I could have probably done what check GPT did
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myself through like Canva, but that takes a little
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bit. Okay. That takes a little bit more work
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and imagination on my part. You know, me, I don't
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care about the visual design of it all. I'm sorry.
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Yes. Check GPT is good for the is bad for the
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environment. Yes. I heard of these things and,
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and no, no to these AI data centers that are
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popping up. No, no, no, no. But, but, but, okay.
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But I think in our last episode together, I think
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we agreed that. that there is a way we can incorporate
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AI without it fucking up the environment. And
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I think - Yeah, but not like chat GBT type of
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AI, different types of AI. We're going to go
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through that. Look, literally, going back to
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rhinoceros. for the mic checks that myself, the
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other cast members were doing with our stage
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manager before each performance, the stage manager,
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Ryan, for fun before our very last performance
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was like, oh, hey, I want you all to come up
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with a limerick because usually for mic check,
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anybody can just say whatever they want, lines
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from the show, whatever. And I wasn't familiar
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with limericks. So I said, all right, fuck it.
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I'm just going to have fun and go to CHACGBT
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and see what they can come up with for me. And
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I came up with something, well, CHACGBT came
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up with something sweet about how... emotional
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and sentimental and reflective it was to be ending
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such a wonderful show. And Ryan gave me a look
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like, no, gen AI does not count in this room.
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We will not accept that in this room. I mean,
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I still got away with it. I still got away with
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it, baby, but you know, what are you gonna do?
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Sorry, it's there. It's there. It's there when
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I need it. I don't use it all the time. Use Google
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and your own brain power. People's brains are
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rotting by not using them. I don't know any limericks.
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ShaqGBT, if they have the opportunity to give
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me one. Why not use it? Sorry. Okay. What other
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AI source that doesn't harm the environment should
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I use that? Why do you have to use AI? I just
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don't know what a limerick... You could just
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Google it. Leave me alone. Okay. It's, it's,
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it's an app that I can just click on my phone
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conveniently, type in what's a limerick instead
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of like, Oh, gotta go to Safari. Why couldn't
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you ask Google that? Oh my God. Well, Google
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is going to give me the AI results. So it's going
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to... You turn that off. Oh my lord, leave me
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alone. Leave me alone. I'm not trying to harm
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the environment. No you are! Okay, we have sidetracked
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so far. I don't know how we got here in the first
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place. How did we get here? We were talking about
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- I won't dig it. You brought it up. We were
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talking about fencing, right? Like how did we
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get here? I don't know, it was you! Alright,
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anyway. So we put up a fence. Pound, pound, pound
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in the pound town. And we got the earplugs. And,
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uh, we took out the earplugs. You, of course,
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I don't think had much of anything in your earplugs.
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I had nothing on my earplugs. Well, you had a
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little bit earwax in your earplugs? No, none.
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Okay. Well, even though I clean my ears, like
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maybe every few days or so, um, well, not every
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day, but every few days. I know how we got into
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JackGBT because I was trying to figure out like
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how earwax builds up so easily. And I found out
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from JackGBT that stress could be a factor. So
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maybe that's what it was for me. Maybe that's
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why your wax is so disgusting. Again, why you
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should not be using ChatGBT because what? I remember
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telling you this information off the air before
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and you were just like, oh, okay. Like you were
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just saying, you were just accepting it matter
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of factly. No, that doesn't even make any sense.
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Anywho, I want to make it clear. I'm all for
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saving the environment. So, uh, fuck ChatGBT.
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Yeah. Okay. And I'll see you later for dinner.
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No, um, but, uh, I don't know. Check GPT obviously
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is not completely reliable. So who knows? It
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may not be stress. Who knows? The point is, is
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that my ears, like when I took out those earplugs,
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it looks almost like - Let's go to the next topic
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because that's disgusting. I don't need to get
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too descriptive. I'm just saying that it looks
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like it, you know, there was stuff on it. At
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some point it looked like it was bordering on
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blood, but it wasn't blood. It was just earwax.
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Okay, baby, we talk about pooping and farting
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all the time and this is disgusting to you? Come
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on, you gotta be alert. This is the new thing
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is being authentic and yourself in public. This
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is what people do now. Come on. Oh my god. It
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is a time and a place. Come on. All right. Alright,
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we're not we're not we're not in a marriage if
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we don't talk about pooping and farting and earwaxes.
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Okay. Yeah on a podcast. Okay Please if you listen
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to the amount of filth on podcasts, they make
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what I do seem like oh Yeah, so trust me. I'm
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tame compared to the filth the absolute disgusting
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filth that you can find on some other podcasts
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out there. We got so sidetracked. I'm so sorry.
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So our fence, we got it put up from the pound
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town thing. And that's great. Uh, so now, uh,
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without the privacy curtain, because the privacy
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curtain was, like you said, a big contribution
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to why the, uh, the fence was being knocked down
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like crazy from the wind and the thunderstorms
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and all that shit that we've had. Um, so without
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the privacy curtain, you're saying that even
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with heavy winds, the defense should be fine.
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It should be. I mean, unless we have like a tornado
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or something. Okay. All right. Don't say that.
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I mean, that's something that really does not
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happen in the East Coast. It happens more so
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in the Midwest. That's one of the reasons why,
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well, I mean, very few reasons why I am glad
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to not live in the Midwest. I loved my time there
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for the most part, but like the tornado warnings,
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I've never experienced a tornado. So that scares
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me. Do not jinx that baby. Come on. What are
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you doing? Uh, anyway, um, and we have a new
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lawnmower. So not only did we put up a fence,
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but we got a new lawnmower because a certain
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someone, Tony, broke the old no. Very much you.
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I just want to keep embarrassing you in public
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because I love you so much. I love, I embarrassed
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those that I love. Yeah. Um, so tell people what
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I did to the old one. As you drink your, uh,
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orange soda, whatever it is. It's not orange
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soda. What is it? It's literally sparkling water.
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Yeah, orange sparkling water you and your you
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and your colored sparkling waters is water Jonathan.
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I know I'm not saying it is it I'm just saying
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Okay, okay, so so we got a new lawnmower To pick
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up all the big sticks on the lawn and ran over
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a fucking tree limb So you didn't witness this
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by the way, I told you this So yeah, I think
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I think I may have I didn't see it on the ground
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when I was mowing because I Have great eyes.
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Because you let the grass get too long so you
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couldn't see it. Wait what? I was what? I said,
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you let the grass get too long and then you couldn't
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see it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think
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it was, no, no, this was, the grass was certainly
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as long as it was like yesterday, but it was,
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it was, it was, it was an okay length. Um, no,
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no, I mean, like we just have sticks all over
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the place. Some very big and obvious looking
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and some very small and not so obvious looking.
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And I guess I hit that perfect small thick stick.
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No, cause I could have, like, what it did to
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the lawnmower. It was not small. I mean, look,
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I, yes, maybe I get all daydreamy and whatever
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I'm listening to while I'm mowing the lawn, but
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I can assure you that a stick big enough to permanently
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break a lawn mower, I would have seen. So this
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must've been just something. Which you didn't.
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I don't know. It must've been under some leaves.
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It must've been a medium sized stick. I don't
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know. Either way, it was something that broke
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the lawn mower. And I, uh, you know, I was trying
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to see if I could look around and get it fixed,
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call people, blah, blah, blah. And of course,
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last year, when this happened, it was toward
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the end of the summer. You're like, Jonathan,
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this is no point. Like the weather's getting,
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the weather's getting terrible. It's September,
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October, whatever. It's going to be raining.
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Like when you're going to be asking this guy
20:12
to fix this and then you're going to, so you
20:14
were, you were giving me all the logical reasoning
20:16
as to what, why are you giving me that face?
20:18
What do you have to say? It was the end of the
20:24
summer going into the fall. It was that time
20:25
of year, like fall time, September, October,
20:28
where, uh, it wouldn't be a good time to mow
20:30
the lawn anymore. And I was, you know, I was,
20:32
I was like, no, I want to, I want to go somewhere,
20:35
whether it be on Craigslist or whether it be
20:38
on, uh, check GPT. Like I want to find somewhere,
20:42
somebody who can fix this for me. And someone
20:45
was available, but I think it was like a holiday
20:48
weekend and we weren't able to make it work.
20:49
I think it was like a Labor Day weekend situation.
20:51
and we couldn't make it work because of the holiday
20:53
weekend and my work schedule. So eventually it
20:57
just didn't work out for me to fix our own lawn
20:59
mower. So I remember the last lawn mow of the
21:02
previous season, I ended up renting a lawn mower
21:05
from Home Depot for about 50 bucks. That got
21:08
it done, baby. You were like, don't even bother.
21:11
But like I was able to mow the lawn nice and
21:13
crisp and cleanly before the, you know, the,
21:17
the legendary winter and fall weather of Vermont
21:20
came. through. And, um, as this year, as we have
21:24
spring and we're about to get into summer, I
21:26
was trying to, I literally behind your back,
21:29
baby, I was about to go to this place in Fairfax
21:31
here in Vermont called exit 18 equipment to see
21:34
if I can get the lawnmower fix. I called them
21:36
on the phone. And they were like, oh, we only
21:39
service these brands. And I gave them a brand
21:42
that they weren't servicing. And they're just
21:43
like, yeah, buddy, we're not sorry. We're not
21:46
going to do that. We're very busy. We're not
21:47
going to take a chance on that. And it was only
21:49
then that I knew, oh shit, like if this lawnmower.
21:54
repair place only 45 minutes away from me, the
21:57
closest that we could get to our house here in
21:59
Richford is not going to take me. Then the next
22:01
option is in Burlington about an hour away. Uh,
22:04
and I would have to try to make that work with
22:05
my work schedule, blah, blah, blah. So I just
22:08
said, fuck it. We're just going to get a new
22:09
lawnmower. And that's what you, that's what you
22:11
did for me, baby. Um, now we were in Burlington
22:14
the same day that we, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:16
We, yeah. Yeah. So, so that was one of the things
22:17
that you had to do in Burlington was you had
22:19
to go to Lowe's and get a lawnmower and, uh,
22:22
uh, Talk about that, baby. Talk about how the
22:26
- Getting a lawnmower? Yeah. I mean, it's - Why?
22:30
Because - I did a curbside pickup for that in
22:32
T -posts. In T -posts? Yeah, the things for the
22:35
fence. Wait, what? In T -posts? Wait, wait, so
22:37
you're saying in T -posts, like T -E -A -P -O
22:41
-S -T? What? No T dash post. Okay. Oh yeah. Yeah.
22:45
This is, this, this is the thing where you make
22:47
up words when you should just say pound town,
22:49
you know? No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Um, so,
22:54
okay. So you got the lawnmower and, uh, we thought,
22:57
didn't we, didn't we think that we were going
22:58
to have to like put it together? Like it was
23:00
going to come in like all separate pieces. Yeah,
23:03
because the previous one I had to put together.
23:05
Yeah. Wait, wasn't I there to help you out with
23:06
the last one or no? No. Where was I? Was I at
23:09
work or something? No. I did it myself though.
23:11
I'm sorry. Well, uh, this lawnmower, it was pretty
23:14
much all put together and all you had to do was,
23:16
uh, do the screws and whatever. And what did
23:18
you have to do? Like with this current lawnmower,
23:20
you, uh, you just had to like put the handle,
23:22
uh, needle thing into the thing. Come on, complete
23:25
my words for me. I love how you just make, let
23:28
me talk and, and, and, and be klutzy. Come on.
23:31
I had to just extend the handle and put the bolts
23:35
in. and put the oil in, and put gas in. And because
23:38
of you, we have a new, fresh lawnmower that hopefully
23:42
you won't break. Yeah, okay. I was a bit worried.
23:46
I was like, oh my God, did I run over something?
23:48
But no, you reminded me that. Oh, I know. There's
23:49
a few times where I thought you ran something
23:51
over. I know. But you know what? Thankfully,
23:53
I cleaned up as much sticks as I could before
23:56
our lawnmow started. I know you were complaining
23:58
like, Jonathan, there's sticks on the ground.
24:00
There's dog poop on the ground. You didn't clean
24:02
up the yard enough. I'm trying, baby. I'm trying.
24:06
I'm a feeble human man with only one leg. I'm
24:11
trying in this dear life of mine, okay? I'm trying.
24:13
So, yeah, we mow the lawn. I know you started
24:17
with the inner dog yard part and then the outer
24:20
part I finished up. And now we don't look like
24:26
we have an ugly grass fro in front of our house.
24:31
And talk about how the dogs like our new fence
24:34
situation because we expanded the fence space
24:37
so much where now their yard space is even bigger.
24:40
Talk about that. Yeah, there's probably another,
24:42
I don't know, what do you think, like 50 square
24:44
feet? I don't know, numbers and measurements
24:46
and math, baby. So sure. Frankly, I think The
24:51
difference between what we had before was 2000
24:54
square feet and now it's 20 ,000 square feet.
24:59
Let me raise you that. I'm smarter than you in
25:02
math. Come on now. That's the surprise of the
25:04
day. Uh, yeah, but no, the dogs love it. And
25:08
if the dogs love it, then we love it. Um, and
25:11
then we had a nice visit from your, well, not
25:14
your, our good friend, Joella. I mean, she's
25:17
been a, you know, a good friend of mine since
25:19
I met you. So like almost six years. And for
25:22
you, it's been longer. How long have you guys
25:23
been friends? Geez. It's been over 10 years at
25:26
this point, I'd say. Nice. Yeah. And how did
25:30
you guys meet again? Because you worked in a
25:32
shelter together. What? Did they work in a shelter
25:35
together? Is that how you met? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
25:37
Yeah. She, well, I was working there and Joella
25:41
and her family came and adopted Kylo, their cat,
25:44
and she filled out a volunteer application while
25:47
she was there. And she started volunteering.
25:50
And then after she was a volunteer for a while,
25:51
then she became a staff member. And then we all
25:54
left the shelter at the same time. So that's,
25:56
would you say that's what bonded your friendship,
25:59
the fact that you all left the shelter for your
26:01
reasons, or was it you just happened to make
26:03
friends while you were in the shelter? Oh, like
26:04
we were becoming friends before that, but that,
26:07
I think, escalated the friendship. Gotcha, gotcha.
26:10
Well, that's good. That's good that you've maintained
26:12
that friendship. She's such a wonderful, wonderful
26:15
person. And, you know, what's funny was that,
26:17
like, she was texting me saying, like, hey! Where's
26:21
your wife today? And I was like, she's outside
26:24
doing yard work. I'll go get her. And I got you.
26:27
And then you looked at the phone and the phone
26:31
of mine said from Joella, oh, no, no, no, no,
26:34
don't tell her. I want to come over as a surprise.
26:36
No, it just said I want to surprise her. Yeah.
26:39
But I didn't know what the surprise was. Yeah,
26:41
and I remember, you know, come out to you like,
26:44
oh, yeah, what, Joella, she wants you. What did
26:46
she say? And you were being snarky with me, like,
26:48
well, Jonathan, it's supposed to be a surprise.
26:50
Like, come on, I'm not supposed to read this.
26:53
Like, you seem like someone who doesn't really
26:55
like surprises, but I guess you do. I don't,
26:57
but I'm not going to like, I don't like surprises,
27:00
but other people like surprises. So I don't want
27:03
to ruin it for the surpizer. Yeah. So, uh...
27:07
I was inquiring more as you passed the phone
27:10
to me, because you really didn't want to know
27:12
any more about this surprise. And, you know,
27:16
essentially she wanted to surprise you by, you
27:18
know, coming over, paying a visit. And, uh, I
27:22
had the reaction of someone who was just like,
27:24
Uh, okay. I mean, we're doing yard work. We're
27:27
all sweaty and unshowered. Uh, we don't have
27:31
plans as you asked, but you know, we kind of
27:33
do, but I don't, I mean, you're, it seems like
27:36
you're on the way and you're not leaving us much
27:37
of a choice. So I guess in the interest of seeming
27:40
like risky, spontaneous, young, cool, hip people.
27:43
Sure. Come over. Um, I didn't say all that, but
27:47
I was thinking all that in my head as she was
27:48
saying that, Hey, five 30, I'll be there. Um,
27:52
but yeah, no, you know, she was great. She came
27:53
over. We had. She bought us dinner. Dinner from
27:56
our favorite place, which is? Mocha's. Mocha's.
28:01
It's not our favorite place. I mean, I don't
28:02
know if I would say it's our favorite, but it's
28:04
close. It's convenient. It's our favorite place
28:07
because it's only right around the corner from
28:09
us and they have a wonderful array of food. Yeah,
28:13
we were telling Joella that like, oh my God,
28:15
you could get jerk chicken, Mexi bowl one minute.
28:18
You could get a slice of pizza the next minute.
28:19
You could get mashed potatoes the next minute.
28:21
It's a whole, it's a whole tang tang tang Cuba
28:24
of, of things. I don't even know that that's
28:27
the right word to use for it. Um, yeah, no, I
28:30
got my usual thing. I got my what? I got a jerk
28:32
chicken and veggie burrito. Don't act like you
28:35
have to think about it. You know. Every time
28:39
I'm old baby. I'm 87 years old. It's hard for
28:41
me to remember things anymore. But no, no, I
28:43
know we were talking about how like I do this
28:45
thing with mochas where like they have so many
28:47
options on the menu and I really want to try
28:49
everything else, but everything else sounds so
28:51
boring compared to what I get. I don't know why.
28:53
Like I always go to back to their burrito section.
28:56
And then I see jerks again. They're enchilada
28:59
burrito one time. I did. And then I never went
29:02
back to it because okay, maybe I don't know.
29:05
I felt like I was cheating on my wife, which
29:08
is the chick, which is the jerk chicken and veggie
29:11
burrito. I don't want to, I don't want to have
29:13
a mistress. I want to be a monogamous man with
29:15
my burrito. Um, yeah, no, I have a jerk chicken
29:19
and veggie burrito with the chips and salsa.
29:21
And, and I always order wings, even though like
29:25
lately the burrito and the chips are. filling
29:29
enough for the wings to be held until the next
29:31
day. And then I get all about eating wings from
29:34
the microwave. So thankfully you, uh, heated
29:38
up the wings in the oven for us. It makes it,
29:40
it's better. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And you saved
29:43
us from further boredom because I usually order
29:45
like maple BBQ and Buffalo, but, uh, uh, what
29:48
was the flavor you suggested? Wasn't it Caribbean
29:51
jerk chicken and lime? Yeah. Yeah. Maple jerk
29:54
Caribbean jerk chicken jerk jerk jerk and lime.
29:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we had buffalo. Um,
30:00
but between all that and the jerk chicken burrito
30:01
that I had, it was quite the spicy time. Oh my
30:04
God. Yes. Yeah. Talk about all the pooping that
30:07
I did. But, but you know what, uh, what idea
30:13
did I suggest to you? What mixture did I suggest
30:15
to you? Wings with ice cream? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
30:20
Uh, yeah. Tony and I were not having such a great
30:23
day the other day. So to treat ourselves, we
30:25
had Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Yes. And I had
30:29
my Gimme S'more flavor. You had your Cherry Garcia.
30:33
And I told you, baby, wings and ice cream. Don't
30:36
sleep on it. Try it. And why did it taste good
30:39
for you? What do you mean? No, no, tell me why
30:41
did it taste good for you? It has to taste good
30:43
for a reason. You can't just say it's just because.
30:45
Well, I mean, because you got like the spicy
30:47
wings and then you got like the ice cream has
30:49
the dairy in it. And what did I say? It's an
30:52
interracial Hot Ones Fest between us. Yeah, you
30:54
did. Well, I didn't say exactly that, but you
30:56
know. But yeah, no, Wings and Ice Cream. For
31:01
those of you listening and watching, don't sleep
31:03
on it. It's such a great ordeal to have. But
31:06
yeah, no, that was delicious. So thank you, Joella,
31:09
for coming over and sharing us up. That was great.
31:11
We got groceries. Woohoo! Something we totally
31:16
don't do every weekend. Our local grocery store
31:21
chain, Hannaford, we just order a pickup, and
31:24
then I have to drive over if I'm not in a theater
31:26
production. Otherwise, you were the one that
31:28
did that the last time, so thank you for that.
31:30
Picked up our groceries. And even though it was
31:32
a very rainy Sunday and Monday this Memorial
31:35
Day weekend, you were kind enough to fire up
31:37
the grill and make us some burgers and hot dogs.
31:40
Yes. Very good. Baby, what's your secret? Because
31:43
the meat for both the burger and hot dogs, they
31:45
taste so quality. They taste so high quality.
31:49
Because it's very easy for someone like me to
31:52
make burgers and hot dogs taste like, I don't
31:55
know, grilled cardboard. Well, the hot dogs were
31:59
because they were beef brats. They weren't just
32:01
hot dogs. They were like a smoked sausage, essentially.
32:04
But for the hamburgers, it's because I put seasoning
32:07
on them. There you go. Who says white people
32:11
don't do seasoning? Exactly. My baby's a unicorn
32:14
with the seasoning. But no, you had the Mac salad
32:20
with it. So even though outside we couldn't have
32:22
a good time with good weather, Sunday and Monday
32:24
inside because of your fabulous cooking. Well,
32:27
no, you grilled on the porch because we have
32:29
a covered porch and then you brought - Well,
32:30
yeah, but I also had to cook inside to make the
32:32
macaroni salad. Well, there you go. Internal,
32:35
external. You are not a monotone person. You
32:38
like to mix it up. Sure. You are a bisexual when
32:42
it comes to grilling. You like to go inside?
32:45
You like to go outside? Okay, Duffin. That's
32:48
enough. You're a bi -griller! You're a bi -griller!
32:51
God. Don't use that for a clip on Facebook. Aww.
32:59
The Euphoria series finale, as we have come to
33:02
know now. Originally it was advertised as the
33:05
season finale, but I guess via Sam Levinson saying
33:10
to whoever will listen, hey, this feels like
33:14
the end. HBO Max has advertised what we saw.
33:17
the final episode of season three. Yes, it is
33:20
indeed the series finale of Euphoria. So I had
33:23
to bother my baby, Tony Rushlow, my darling pumpkin
33:27
cake to record brief thoughts. for the series
33:32
finale and insert them into the episode to not
33:36
make us seem all dusty like we didn't know that
33:38
there was a series finale. I hope that makes
33:40
sense, Tony. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. So thank
33:43
you. Cause I know you and I, you know, we've
33:45
come from our usual busy work day and you were
33:48
just like, I don't want to do this. I want to
33:52
just go to bed. Ugh, baby, ugh. But you are a
33:56
trooper because you're my wife and you support
33:59
me even when I do not deserve such a thing. The
34:03
series finale of Euphoria, In God We Trust, which
34:06
is - Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, why does it
34:09
make sense? Explain. Well, I mean, nearly the
34:11
entire episode is - fit based around some aspect
34:15
of religion. Like it was brought up many times.
34:18
Well, I mean, I would say that's the theme throughout
34:19
the season. Rue wants to... Yeah, yeah, yeah,
34:22
but like even more so. Like it was like out into
34:25
other characters. Okay, okay. All right, we'll
34:28
talk about it as we go along. So we start with
34:30
Rue escaping Laurie's ranch with G's help after
34:33
injuring Wayne and running from Harley. As the
34:36
DEA closes... On Laurie's operation, Alamo takes
34:40
control of a fentanyl shipment by switching ambulances.
34:44
Facing arrest, Laurie kills herself while Wayne
34:47
and Faye successfully flee the scene. Thoughts
34:51
about that scene? Was it Wayne? Was he the guy
34:55
that looked at the three -legged dog and he was
34:57
just like, buddy? No, no, that's Harley. Harley!
35:00
Okay, Harley, gotcha. Wayne is the one with the
35:04
- the one who was like ratting Rue out at the
35:06
safe. Ratting Rue out at the safe. The blonde
35:08
one with the big lips. What the hell does that
35:11
mean? No, that's - that's Faye. Yes, exactly.
35:13
Faye and Wayne are together. They're the same
35:15
person? No, no, no, no, Wayne is the Nazi. Yes,
35:17
who's dating Faye. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's -
35:20
yeah, yeah. And they're the ones who escape.
35:22
Okay, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, we know that we know
35:24
that. Okay. So Harley was the one he looked at
35:27
the three legged dog as the all the DEA showed
35:30
up to, you know, make their big arrests. And
35:33
it looked like with his shotgun, he was going
35:35
to cause mayhem, but he decided to concede to
35:38
the DEA arrest. I love how the three legged dog
35:41
looked at him like, Oh, God, I mean, we so dogs
35:44
are witnessing some really bad shit in this show.
35:47
So we have the three legged dog that witnessed
35:49
the DEA thing in the beginning and then towards
35:51
the end that white fluffy dog that was uh witnessing
35:54
the snowball yeah the witnessing the big ollie
35:58
and alamo showdown at alamo strip club so what
36:03
do you say to those dogs baby as they witness
36:06
a cold blood i don't know you know here's what
36:11
i say guys it is not your fault No one try to
36:15
kill you. And if they do, then come call me.
36:18
Okay. All right. Anyway, my eye is so itchy.
36:21
Yeah, no one keep rubbing them. Stop. No, no,
36:24
no. Well, you know, it's hard. You know, I mean,
36:27
you've scratched things that have itched. Once
36:30
you scratch, scratch, scratch, it just becomes
36:32
hard to resist it. But anyway, Laurie kills herself.
36:36
She memorably hangs herself from the house. And
36:40
I just remember being like, oh, wow, that's a
36:43
pretty... graphic way for Laurie to die, but
36:47
I remember you just not having much of a reaction
36:49
because maybe you thought, well, Laurie, good
36:53
riddance. Well, I mean, partially that, but also
36:55
like not surprising because like she said, she's
36:57
like, I can't go to prison. Well, I mean, I had
37:00
too much emotion there. It was more monotone.
37:02
I can't go to prison. Yeah, Laurie. Oh my God.
37:07
My favorite stone -faced stoic middle -aged white
37:10
woman. Oh, yay, drugs. Let's make money. Like,
37:16
that's her vibe. It's the greatest thing. But
37:19
I miss Laurie. I thought she was a great character
37:21
in such a kind of a dry, comedic way. So rest
37:25
in peace, mama. Come on. You know, I'll give
37:28
you daps as you're burning in hell for your crimes
37:31
against humanity. Alamo gives Rue money and Percocet
37:36
pills, secretly containing fentanyl. We know
37:38
this because we see the whole dream sequence
37:41
that Rue has with her mom where they sort of
37:45
reunite, they hug, they have this emotional moment.
37:48
Rue's mom still doesn't speak. I think we've
37:50
seen her, but she hasn't spoke a single line
37:52
throughout the season. I don't know why. Yeah,
37:54
it's very strange. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and my suspicion
37:57
is that it has something to do with the actress
37:59
who plays the mom mentioning something about
38:01
the struggle that every working actor has, which
38:03
is a struggle to pay your bills because acting,
38:06
it has like a 99 % rejection rates. And if you
38:10
do get a big role like that of a euphoria, if
38:13
you're in a small part like the mom, don't guarantee
38:16
that that's going to be enough to make your rent.
38:19
So maybe, I don't know, maybe I I've heard some
38:22
rumblings about how not so perfect of a person
38:26
Sam Levinson is to work with and to deal with,
38:29
so maybe the actress playing Rue's mom, shooting
38:32
her mouth off, maybe didn't help her case, and
38:35
maybe there was some secret revenge, and the
38:37
secret revenge was her not speaking a goddamn
38:40
thing throughout the season three. What do you
38:42
think, Toni? Thoughts? Sure, I don't know. I'm
38:46
just trying to get the fire out of you so you
38:47
get blasted on social media for your opinions.
38:50
Wow, thanks. Yeah, yeah. Rue dying from an overdose
38:56
Ali finds her the next throw it in there like
38:59
that. You're not even like making a big deal
39:01
of it You just read it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. By
39:05
the way, the main character in this fucking show,
39:07
Zendaya, spoiler alert, if you haven't seen the
39:10
finale yet, she dies from the overdose. And you
39:13
called it. You spoiled it for me before it even
39:15
happened, because I remember in the dream sequence,
39:17
we see Ali waking up, smoking the cigarette,
39:20
finding Rue and Rue is like, oh, my God, I got
39:22
to go get Fez from prison. He escaped. It's on
39:25
the news. He escapes. And I remember you being
39:28
like, wait, how are they going to make that work
39:29
when Angus Cloud, the actor who plays Fez is
39:32
dead and you know how they didn't make it work
39:35
because it wasn't a real thing. Um, so yeah,
39:42
the second time we see Ali wake up, same thing,
39:44
shirtless, smoking the cigarette with his weird
39:46
hair. That's when you said, baby, Jonathan pumpkin
39:50
cakes, Francois. Actually, I said it before that.
39:52
I said it when she was still like in the thing
39:54
with her mom. Oh, well, yeah. You know what?
39:56
Because I remember there was like that scene,
39:58
uh, so Rue, like she, you know, she was in that
40:02
black background and she had her hand up and
40:04
it seemed like she was gasping for air. I was
40:06
like, oh yeah, this does seem very overdosy.
40:09
she is conducting herself in this dream. So it
40:12
did seem like, you know, we were experiencing
40:14
that. And then we did. Yeah, Ali woke up for
40:17
real and he found Rue with her headphones on
40:20
and she was dead. And thoughts about that, baby,
40:24
because honestly, Sam Levinson, he himself has
40:28
gone through addiction. And assumingly, he has
40:33
come out on the better end of it by way of making
40:37
this show and being as successful as he is as
40:39
a showrunner, producer, writer, whatever you
40:40
want to call it. What did you think, I mean,
40:45
did you already suspect heading into the finale
40:47
that Rue might die? Because I, even though, you
40:50
know, even though Sam has this kind of, you know,
40:53
reputation for, for this sort of like dark brutal
40:56
worldview of, of drug addiction and, and teenager
40:59
-y and all that stuff, I was... hoping that we
41:04
would see a positive end to Rube as a way of
41:06
conveying to the audience, hey, you can come
41:08
out on the other side of addiction, but go ahead.
41:11
What are your thoughts? No, I mean, I figured
41:15
that either it would end in like her in prison
41:19
because of something with a DEA or her trying
41:23
to be on the run or like dying and like one of
41:27
the other situations with Alamo or Laurie or
41:30
that type of thing. Uh, I didn't think that they
41:33
would go with the overdose route, but I feel
41:38
like it was the most accurate and true to character
41:43
option that they could have gone with. And tell
41:45
me what you think about this. My suspicion is
41:47
that, because you had mentioned when we were
41:49
talking about the penultimate episode that you
41:52
had felt like Rue was given a lot of chances.
41:58
to recover from this thing and she keeps getting
42:01
in her own way. So, yeah, because that's what
42:04
people with substance use issues, that's what
42:05
happens. Is that they get chances that they don't
42:08
take advantage of? Yeah, they get chances they
42:11
intentionally or unintentionally take advantage
42:13
of that. And, you know, it's just a cycle until
42:17
they either... have hit rock bottom and decide
42:19
on their own that they want to accept the resources
42:23
and options around them, or they're just like
42:25
thrown into the situation where they don't have
42:27
any other choice, or a lot of times people do
42:30
have a come -to -Jesus moment and they become
42:32
very religious. I mean, religion is a fairly
42:36
big part of like 12 -step programs and that type
42:38
of thing, so. But also, I mean, it was fairly
42:41
accurate in the sense that I mean, yes, they
42:44
had Alamo like give her a bunch of fentanyl and
42:46
that's why she overdosed. Like it was an intentional
42:49
overdose on Alamo's part, but a lot of people
42:53
who are clean for a while and then relapse will
42:58
end up using again. And a lot of times overdose
43:01
because they try to use the same amount that
43:03
they were using previously and their tolerance
43:06
has lowered. So it was kind of accurate and fitting
43:10
that she took one pill and that that was what
43:13
killed her was just not that she was like in
43:16
a full swing of a downward spiral and in the
43:20
drug sense, but that that's all. You know, I
43:22
felt like it was a good way of the show being
43:24
like all it takes is one pill. Yeah, absolutely.
43:27
Oh, so Ali finds her the next day. Three months
43:30
later, Ali attends his final recovery meeting
43:33
where he confesses that he has lost faith and
43:35
declares to dealers, politicians and ablers of
43:37
the drug trade simply evil. Um, what do you think
43:42
about Ali's sort of, um, trajectory towards this
43:47
moment? Cause obviously, uh, throughout the time
43:50
that we've seen him in the show, he has been
43:53
this very calming, reassuring, patient presence
43:58
in Roos live playing your sponsor. He obviously
44:01
has his experience with addiction. And as we've
44:05
seen in flashbacks, when we really saw Ali's
44:07
story, I think in the last episode, in the penultimate
44:09
episode, he has lost a lot of people that he
44:12
was trying to save from addiction, a lot of young
44:15
people, like that person that hung from the garage,
44:17
et cetera, et cetera. So what do you think about
44:20
Ali essentially deciding to give up this calm,
44:26
patient, therapeutic demeanor and just say, fuck
44:29
it, I'm angry if you are... giving out drugs
44:34
like you're poisoning people you're not making
44:35
the world a better place as simple as that and
44:37
something needs to be done about it because I
44:42
I'm mixed about it. I'm mixed about it. I mean,
44:44
I liked the presence that Ali provided up until
44:47
that moment. I think, again, it does give hope
44:51
that even though, yes, you experience pain, tragedy
44:54
over and over, there's still a way to breathe
44:56
and find the best and find the most nonviolent
45:00
optimist option. At the same time, if I was in
45:02
its position, yeah, like I could see myself just
45:05
being like, okay. Fuck this shit. Like I want
45:08
to kill all the evil people in the world because
45:10
it seems like nonviolent kindness is not working.
45:14
So what are your thoughts? Uh, yeah, I've, I
45:18
agree. I mean, I feel like, I feel like partially
45:20
why they showed us his history, why they added
45:24
that part in is because they needed a basis to
45:29
be able to end things this way. Because if they
45:32
didn't give us that, like, yeah, we know he has,
45:34
like, a sordid past and, like, that type of thing,
45:36
but we don't necessarily know that there's violence
45:40
in his past. So if they would have just not given
45:43
us that info about his past and him being, like,
45:46
physically abusive to his wife and that type
45:48
of thing, and then they just went from, like
45:51
you said, him being, like, the calming presence
45:54
who's, like, trying to help people do better.
45:56
and they would have just gone from that to him
46:00
deciding to murder someone, it would have felt
46:04
like way out in left field. So I think part of
46:06
why they included that piece of his backstory
46:09
now is so that it could be like, hey, this guy
46:12
does have a history of violence and he's angry
46:14
enough that he's gonna resort to old ways. It
46:16
felt like that kind of thing. And of course,
46:19
it was very much like a TV ending. That's obviously
46:23
why they added it because, you know. where you're
46:26
on his side, though? Um, yeah. I'd say yeah.
46:30
Yeah. Yeah. Especially because, like, this isn't,
46:33
like, some guy who's, like, selling weed and,
46:37
like, that type of thing, like, a few dime bags
46:39
here and there. This is... Yeah, exactly. A man
46:42
selling hard drugs and taking advantage of women
46:46
in desperate situations who... not only are they
46:50
stripping, but he's forcing them to have sex
46:53
with customers and stuff like that, too. So,
46:55
like, good fucking riddance. Yeah, I think that
46:58
part of Ali's speech to his recovery meeting,
47:00
like, this is my final meeting, that really struck
47:03
a nerve with me, was him saying, there was a
47:06
point in time where I was giving the benefit
47:10
of the doubt to these drug dealers. Like, because
47:13
there are people that deal drugs and maybe...
47:18
more so of these people are on the soft, actually,
47:20
you know what? No, I'm just gonna say in general,
47:22
like whether it's softer drugs, harder drugs,
47:24
yeah, there are people that deal drugs, because
47:26
it's like, fuck it, I can't get a job in the
47:29
legit world, or I choose not to, and this is
47:31
my way of survival. Right, or it's just what
47:32
they've seen, and there are just continuing patterns
47:34
of what they've seen and that type of thing.
47:36
Yeah, all they know, this is my way of survival,
47:38
I got kids to feed, and Ali was talking about...
47:41
I used to have a benefit of the doubt, sort of
47:44
sympathetic view of the people that literally
47:46
do it to feed their families, to make sure their
47:49
kid's got a college and stuff like that. But
47:52
now seeing how many people have died and arguably
47:56
Rue is like the most like tragic, tough death
48:00
that he had to take. Well, yeah, because he sees
48:02
her as his daughter too. Exactly. And now it's
48:05
like for him, it's just this black and white
48:07
worldview. If you deal drugs, of this kind, you're
48:13
literally just poisoning kids for money. I don't
48:15
care if your excuse is, oh, I got a spouse I
48:18
have to feed, I have to give my mom a house and
48:21
blah, blah, blah. No, you're poisoning kids for
48:22
money. You're evil and you need to be taken care
48:24
of. So I don't know if that struck a nerve with
48:28
you, but yeah, it did take... his essentially
48:34
daughter Rue dying for him to go from seeing
48:38
hope and kindness and grace and everybody to
48:41
just being like, nope, like you're either in
48:44
this world to do good or you're in this world
48:46
to fuck it up. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I don't
48:49
know if I necessarily disagree with that state
48:53
of thinking, but I think there's a little bit
48:56
more nuance to it. And like there's gray area.
48:59
But like you said, you know, it kind of gets
49:01
to a certain point where like, okay, yeah, maybe
49:03
that person made that decision because that's
49:05
the cycle they were stuck in and that's the other
49:07
thing. But again, it comes down to the fact of,
49:10
okay, there are resources out there. There are
49:12
other options you could decide. So it gets to
49:15
a point where like, okay, you've had the chances
49:17
and you're still harming other people with the
49:22
things that you're doing. And, you know, there
49:25
should be consequences of some sort for that.
49:27
Doesn't necessarily mean... they need to die,
49:30
but you know. Right, right. Well, meanwhile,
49:33
we have Cassie and Maddie planning to turn the
49:36
rattlesnake poisoned, buried alive, now dead
49:41
Nate, his house into an influencer business.
49:43
Cassie invites her sister, Lexi, to join. She
49:48
refuses. I feel like refuses is not the right
49:51
word. What's the right word? Uh, because she,
49:55
she doesn't like straight up say like, oh hell
49:58
no. She's just like, hey, I got some other stuff
50:00
to do. I don't know about this right now. Right,
50:02
right. Maybe she's just more into the TV show
50:06
producing. The Bible. Lexi? Yeah, they have a
50:09
whole conversation about it. Wasn't Rue the one
50:11
that tried to get Lexi to be into the Bible?
50:14
Yes, and they have the whole conversation about
50:17
how Rue left her Bible on Lexi's couch, and it
50:20
like sat there creeping her out for like a month.
50:23
So then she put it on her bookshelf, and that
50:25
didn't make her feel any better. So then she
50:27
started reading it. And she's into it? Yeah,
50:30
pretty much. Yeah, they had a whole conversation
50:31
about it. Well, Well, Cassie was on the bed cleaning
50:34
her dildos. Yeah. Oh, what a moment. Leave it
50:40
to Cassie. She's having a heart -to -heart sister
50:43
moment with Lexi about Rue being dead and life
50:46
and such. And there she goes with that plastic
50:49
penis. Speaking of which, Cassie and Maddie,
50:52
what do you think about where they ended up?
50:56
Do you think this was an appropriate closure
50:58
to their story? Because that's essentially what
51:00
it is. I mean, they - Yeah. I mean, I feel like
51:02
it works. It gives them a trajectory to go on.
51:08
I feel like it's good enough. Yeah, because they're,
51:13
you know, I mean, I would assume that Nate's
51:16
death has either brought him closer in their
51:20
complicated friendship or sustained their friendship.
51:24
And this is a way for them to, you know, stay
51:29
in the business of only fans, Hollywood content
51:33
creation, promoting yourself, this and that.
51:36
but they're of service. And I think there was
51:39
an element of, I mean, I feel like Nate dying.
51:42
I feel like the fact that like, oh crap, like
51:45
life and death, it's just so immediate. It's
51:48
so there. So do what you can with what time you
51:52
have on this earth. I would think that Nate's
51:57
death brought that moment into them that like,
52:00
oh, hey, let's while we're trying to promote
52:02
ourselves and get ourselves ahead, let's see
52:04
if we can help other girls like us who are struggling
52:06
and on the come up. Does that make sense? Um.
52:09
No? I think you're giving them a little too much
52:11
credit. Okay. Okay, so why are they being of
52:16
service to the girls creating this sort of, like
52:19
I said, this audience convent? They're not being
52:22
of service to the girls. They're being of service
52:24
to themselves because the whole point of them
52:26
starting that is so that they can make more money
52:29
so that they can pay Alamo back quicker. Oh,
52:32
they still owe Alamo, because Alamo hasn't been
52:35
killed yet. Exactly. So that's the whole reason
52:37
they started. Like, yeah, okay, we're giving
52:40
these girls a place to live and this, that, the
52:42
other thing, but like, it's all to benefit them.
52:44
So now that Alamo's dead, are they still going
52:47
to have that house? Do they have a reason? Of
52:49
course, because now they can make money. That'll
52:51
all be for them. Okay. Well, the meaning has
52:53
changed. Now they are of service. No, I don't
52:57
think so. Okay. Fair enough. Um, how about how,
53:01
I mean, Jules, I was wondering if she was going
53:02
to show up at all in the episode and she does
53:04
very briefly where she's at the, um, the place
53:08
of the married man that she has the arrangement
53:10
with, and she is emotionally coping with Rue's
53:13
death by painting the portrait of Rue. Did you
53:17
want more from Jules? Do you think that her story
53:20
wrapped up correctly with her being the symbol
53:23
of just mourning what her and Rue could have
53:26
had? Yeah, no, I felt like that was a good wrap
53:28
up because, I mean, it's not like her and Rue
53:33
were going to end up together. Like, Jules had
53:36
already... essentially made that very clear,
53:38
but she still, of course, is mourning the relationship
53:42
they had prior and their friendship and... I
53:45
have the impression that Jules was giving Rue
53:47
the opportunity to advance the relationship,
53:49
but Rue seemed very hesitant. She seemed very
53:53
content with just kind of, like, eyeing Jules
53:56
from a distance, not really having the hard conversation.
53:59
That's what I got, but you're... Well, I like
54:01
it. Like... Jules just, like, made a, made it
54:05
very obvious, like, okay, why do you want to
54:08
be with me? Like, you just have this idea stuck
54:11
in your head of what our relationship was, and
54:13
it never was like that. And I think that Jules
54:18
was like, yeah, we are, you know, we have history
54:22
and we have all of that, and there's still like
54:24
that attachment there. But like, you're making
54:26
up things in your head, Ru, about how our relationship
54:29
was. From the get go, when we saw Jules and Rue
54:36
and their dynamic this season, where you're just
54:38
already having that cynical view of like, yeah,
54:40
no, they're not going anywhere. This is going
54:41
to be the same sort of flat place that they were
54:44
back in their high school days. Yeah, exactly.
54:46
Because again, Rue hadn't changed as a person.
54:49
We have Alamo telling Maddie he intends to marry
54:54
her. I didn't pay attention to that moment, but
54:57
that happened. Yeah, he wanted to have four cocoa
54:59
babies with her. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
55:01
yeah. The moment of cocoa. And I was telling
55:03
you like, oh, yeah, he's black, she's Hispanic.
55:05
Yeah, I guess that would be cocoa butter babies.
55:07
By the way, cocoa butter lotion. I haven't used
55:09
it in many years, baby. I would highly recommend
55:11
it. I know you're not a fan of lotion or moisturizing
55:13
of any kind, but like I would recommend cocoa
55:16
butter. I put lotion on sometimes. You know,
55:19
when, when, when, when you want to. That's enough.
55:21
Let's not discuss this. You're lucky. I know,
55:25
I know, I love you. All right, Ali, in his big
55:29
military uniform, showing up at Alamo's strip
55:32
club to confront him, and he starts off by shooting
55:36
the dick off of Marshawn Lynch's character. Marshawn
55:40
Lynch is an actual, as you can tell from his
55:42
big husky build, he's an actual NFL player. Yeah,
55:46
I know that. Do you? I didn't know if he kept
55:49
up with the NFL, so I wasn't sure. I mean, I
55:51
know the name enough to know. Yeah. But didn't
55:54
I mention to you like, oh, this is like the second
55:55
dick that has gotten cut off or like gotten affected
55:58
or yeah, because the, the Khadim Hardison character,
56:01
uh, I think almost had his dick shot off from,
56:04
um, Laurie's people, the, the, the ones with
56:07
the Obama mask on when they, you know, came to
56:09
Rob Alamo's strip club place. Remember? Like
56:12
they, they, they, they shot them in like the
56:13
belly or whatever or in the groin. Yeah. Yeah.
56:17
Yeah. Yeah. Lots of, lots of dicks getting shot
56:20
off. I don't like that. Baby, you don't have
56:23
a penis. You don't know the belly is not the
56:25
same thing as a penis It's the groin. It's near
56:28
there. It's around that area groin. It was his
56:31
abdomen anyway Ali kills G before Alamo challenges
56:36
him to a duel. Oh, yeah, he did kill him Wow,
56:40
so the so the dick shooting off would just edit
56:42
his life pretty much didn't it? Oh my lord. All
56:45
right. Well arteries in your groin now next time
56:48
you hate me and decide to, you know, finish me
56:51
off, then there you go. Just shoot me in the
56:53
penis and that'll do it. Because I know you've
56:56
been thinking that, baby. No comment? No comment.
57:02
All right. After Bishop secretly unloads Alamo's
57:05
gun... Oh, by the way, did you sense that Bishop
57:08
was... really, our lovely multi -ponytail guy
57:13
who likes to listen to his music in the Cadillac
57:16
with Maddie. Did you suspect all along that he
57:20
wasn't really with what Alamo was getting into?
57:24
Well, I knew there was going to be something
57:25
because him and Maddie had the conversation in
57:27
the car. And what was that conversation about?
57:29
Remind me, because I totally forgot. I mean,
57:31
she essentially said something like, something
57:34
like, oh, I wish there was a little bit of grace
57:36
or something like that. So yeah, a little bit
57:38
of humanity in this world. Yes. Yeah, something
57:40
of that sort. And Bishop seemed to agree. Yeah.
57:43
Quietly and his own special way. Yeah. Okay.
57:46
Did you sense that when Alamo and Ali went for
57:50
their gun shoot and draw duel moment? Did you
57:54
sense that? Oh shit. I think Alamo's gun is gonna
57:58
be bulletless. No, I didn't figure it was that
58:00
I just figured it was gonna be like Either somebody
58:03
else would shoot him, other than Ali, because
58:05
they had enough, or even if he shot Ali, then
58:08
maybe someone else would shoot Alamo still. Yeah.
58:11
Yeah. Did you get the sense that maybe there
58:13
was a chance Ali was going to die and not make
58:16
it out alive? Potentially. Potentially. Yeah.
58:18
Maybe both Ali and Alamo wouldn't make it out
58:20
alive. Yeah. Do you think that would have negatively
58:22
affected the ending of the show, positively affected
58:26
the legacy of the show? I think it would have
58:29
depended if Alamo got to live and Ali died. Then
58:33
it would be negative. Oh, yeah. Well, to add
58:35
to the cynicism, I mean, my god, we already had
58:37
Ru die, so... Yeah, exactly. Why not have Ali
58:40
die as well? If they both died, it would have
58:43
been manageable. But if just he would have died,
58:46
it would have been negative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
58:49
I think if it was just Ali from that fight and
58:52
then this is on top of Ru dying, the internet
58:55
threads would go crazy about how hopeless the
58:57
world is now. Yeah. So Bishop Lee's with Maddie,
59:01
um, and where, where do you think, what's that?
59:04
And Kitty. And Kitty. So where do, where do,
59:07
where do you suspect we go from here with the
59:10
Bishop and the Maddie and the Kitty of it all?
59:12
You think they're gonna - Well, Kitty works for
59:14
Maddie. Okay. So that's why she went. What do
59:17
you think Maddie's future is going to be? Is
59:18
she going to carry on this business but in a
59:20
more positive way with the women and the bishop
59:23
and, you know? Oh yeah, it's definitely going
59:25
to be more positive than Alamo, that's for sure.
59:28
And I feel like they were trying to, like, hint
59:30
at some type of something with Maddie and Bishop.
59:33
The strip club gals could move into the OnlyFans
59:36
convent hut place. Sure. Yeah, the mansion, the
59:40
tacky yellow mansion that Cassie and Maddie set
59:41
up. Why not? Why not? Ali later visits a religious
59:46
family, not just a religious family, full circle
59:50
from the beginning of the season. Rue met this
59:53
family and they're like right on the border?
59:56
Something like that, close to it. They live right
59:57
near the Mexican border. And I think you had
1:00:00
mentioned that in the beginning of the season,
1:00:01
Rue... Like was with this family and was just
1:00:04
like, alright, this is where I want to live when
1:00:08
I'm at peace Like when I've decided to just give
1:00:11
up everything that is evil drugs. Yeah. Yeah
1:00:14
So what did you think about that full circle
1:00:16
moment of you know, instead of Rue now dead from
1:00:19
the overdose now Ali Who is clearly aware of
1:00:22
Rue's dream. He is now living out Rue's dream
1:00:25
by living with this kind white Mormony Family.
1:00:29
I mean if he gets a little bit of peace out of
1:00:31
it great. Yeah And you said he was running from
1:00:33
the law, too, as well. Oh yeah, of course, because
1:00:35
he just killed people. Well, he killed only two
1:00:39
people and they were evil people that deserved
1:00:42
it. So maybe he'll get a concession from law
1:00:46
enforcement for that. No? Okay. And what was
1:00:50
the alias that he's now under now? Martin McQueen?
1:00:53
Yeah. Sounds like a fucking black and white movie,
1:00:56
white actor name from like the fifties. type
1:01:00
of guy that's in a really weird race car drama
1:01:02
from the 50s. So, oh, actually, no, and it's
1:01:07
not Martin McQueen is actually his Islam pre
1:01:09
-conversion name. So there you go. He leads a
1:01:12
prayer during which Rue appears peacefully in
1:01:15
a vision. Boom. You see the tears of Coleman
1:01:19
Domingo. You see Zendaya getting, it seems like
1:01:22
her face was visibly affected by the moment.
1:01:25
And then euphoria ends. Now. I thought that,
1:01:29
okay, yes, we have Rue dying. That's the central
1:01:32
character in the series. It would make sense
1:01:33
that it would end. But when I brought up to you,
1:01:36
like, oh, maybe they'll do something with Cassie,
1:01:38
Maddie, Lexie. You're kind of like, eh, sure,
1:01:41
I could see that happening. But I don't know.
1:01:43
You seems kind of like in between about it. Well,
1:01:46
I just feel like everything is getting a spinoff
1:01:48
lately and like you don't need to do a spinoff
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of everything. What's the opposite of euphoria?
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Depression? Yeah. There you go. Even though there
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was plenty of depression and euphoria like That's
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the polar opposite of euphoria depression then
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then why not? Anything you want to close us out
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with because again you friends for life dog rescue,
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I think it's fantastic what you're doing You
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want to promote that? That's it right there Guys
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I don't know. That's all you gotta look for.
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Oh my god I feel like I know your social media
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handle better than you. I think it's like Friends
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For Life VT or something like that. Well, it
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depends on what you're looking on. So basically
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type in Friends For Life Dog Rescue VT on any
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of your social media. And see what you find.
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And you'll see a lot of pictures of adorable
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dogs. And if you live in Vermont or near Vermont,
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then you might be eligible to adopt one of those
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adorable dogs. Yay. Yes. All right. Listen to
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I love you. I love you. And to all of those listening
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and watching, I love you in a different way.
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And let deliciousness ring.