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Chuck & Buck 1-12 Hour 4: MMQB with Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and
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Speaker 1: Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 2: Here's chuckin Buck nine o'clock hour here on this Monday.
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Speaker 3: Happy Monday to you all.
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Speaker 2: I hope you all had a great weekend, just packed
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Speaker 2: with all of those hight football games for goodness, and
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Speaker 2: now we know that the Seattle Seahawks will host the
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Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers and the Divisional Round this Saturday.
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Speaker 2: We still don't know what time they're going to play.
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Speaker 2: We won't know that until later on today. But you
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Speaker 2: do know that the Seahawks will host the forty nine ers. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it is the NFC West Invitational, the NFC Conference playoffs.
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Speaker 2: As we get ready for the divisional round, Ashley Buck
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Speaker 2: Chuck with you. We've got Hugh Millen here on a
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Speaker 2: Monday morning quarterback session. He's been with us since eight
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Speaker 2: o'clock and joining us now as coach Honggren here in studio.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, coach, Good morning guys. Good to see you.
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Speaker 3: Good to see you as well. That was something, It
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Speaker 3: was really something.
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Speaker 4: But now I have a decision to make, which is
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Speaker 4: which is the game is Saturday? But as you pointed out,
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Speaker 4: is it at night or is it during the during
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Speaker 4: the day, could be one thirty, could be five. Well,
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Speaker 4: that changes the menu, That really changes There's a lot
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Speaker 4: of decisions to make there.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: Well, because it's it's five o'clock, it's you're approaching happy hour.
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Speaker 4: You know, the lunch could be just a sandwich. You're
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Speaker 4: talking about a lot of different things. That's true.
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Speaker 3: That's really messing with you.
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Speaker 4: Know, you know, candied yams. I think I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna push for that.
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Speaker 5: Yes, please, Well you could just, like, I don't know,
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Speaker 5: bring some Swedish meatballs over to my house and we
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Speaker 5: could root for the Broncos.
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Speaker 4: As well, you know what, and then it's just make
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Speaker 4: a whole day of it. So I have a big package.
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Speaker 4: Every package has sixty five meatballs in my Kia. Swedish
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Speaker 4: meatballs you ever had you've been to Ikea? But oh sure, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: sixty five. Oh wow, but they're small. Oh so I
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Speaker 4: have a large family. If they all come over, I
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Speaker 4: might get short shorted on the.
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Speaker 3: Kind of a holme Grin doesn't make his own meatballs.
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Speaker 4: Meat that's well, it's just it's there's labor intensive and
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Speaker 4: I get aches and pains in my hands sometimes taking
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Speaker 4: the meat oil.
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Speaker 6: I thought they sold desks. Now they're selling Sweetish meatballs.
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Speaker 4: Oh they got all sorts of stuff. Yeah, Landberry's everything,
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Speaker 4: Swedish fish. Yeah you herring, pickled haired harring for sure?
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Speaker 3: Uh that way? You know. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: We should talk football, Yeah, we probably should. But I
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Speaker 2: do love the idea of just firing up some candy
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Speaker 2: yams while you're watching NFL Playoffs this weekend. All right, well, okay,
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Speaker 2: so we know the opponent, it's the San Francisco forty
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Speaker 2: nine or how would you feel about that if you're
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Speaker 2: Mike McDonald, Like.
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Speaker 3: Didn't we just beat these guys? Didn't we just prove
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Speaker 3: we could beat these guys? Are you excited because you
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Speaker 3: did just hammer them?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's an interesting thing. I think that your motions
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Speaker 4: on that. Yeah, you know, everyone kind of be the same.
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Speaker 4: They just beat them. They dominated them in the game.
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Speaker 4: They only scored thirteen points, but they dominated. So you
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Speaker 4: kind of have to have that feeling. You got to
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Speaker 4: be careful with your team now saying, Okay, this is
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Speaker 4: a new game. You're going to play a new team.
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Speaker 4: It's not gonna be the same team. And we beat
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Speaker 4: thirteen to three, you know, so that you're gonna have
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Speaker 4: to kind of implant that. And I don't their team
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Speaker 4: has been so focused and so good down the stretch here.
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Speaker 4: I don't think that'll be a problem, but it's something
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Speaker 4: you have to address.
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Speaker 6: If you were in Mike McDonald's position here, how much
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Speaker 6: of this, Okay, you're gonna expect the counterputs. You dominated
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Speaker 6: the forty nine ers before how much of your concern
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Speaker 6: centers around kind of schematics, trying to say, Okay, what's
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Speaker 6: what's the next move on the chess board? How much
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Speaker 6: of it is getting your team in the right kind
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Speaker 6: of psychological emotional state, you know that you know, caution
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Speaker 6: about maybe some type of I want to say, overlook,
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Speaker 6: you're not gonna overlook the forty nine ers, but maybe
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Speaker 6: you're just a little too proud And the fact that
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Speaker 6: the forty nine ers, based on the last game that
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Speaker 6: you had with them, they're gonna have you know, they're
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Speaker 6: gonna be chewing light bulbs, eager to get you know,
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Speaker 6: they're they're revenge, that type of thing. How much of
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Speaker 6: it is schematic? How much of it is the psychological
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Speaker 6: part and the motivational part.
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Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's both. You know, obviously,
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Speaker 4: it's uh, you know, they dominated the forty nine ers.
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Speaker 4: Now this game I think will be different. Uh, I
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Speaker 4: think it'll be close. The other game was close, you know,
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Speaker 4: but I think there's a possibility of more scoring. Perhaps.
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Speaker 4: But I go back to you. When I in Green Bay,
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Speaker 4: we played no excuse me, I guess it was Seattle.
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Speaker 4: We played the Bears on Monday Night football and lost
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Speaker 4: thirty nine to nothing, just got hammered. Yeah, and then
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Speaker 4: played them in the second round of the playoffs and
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Speaker 4: we we should have won the game. They went to
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Speaker 4: overtime and they beat us in overtime. So you had
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Speaker 4: two teams, same teams, two vastly different games. Why the players,
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Speaker 4: It's up to the players. It's scheme scheme, you're gonna
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Speaker 4: You're gonna do some stuff scheme wise, But it's really
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Speaker 4: up to what the players think and how they want
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Speaker 4: revenge and how they how they're going to go into
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Speaker 4: the game and how they're gonna play. That's what it
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Speaker 4: boils down to. Yeah, that makes sense.
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Speaker 5: And yet how difficult is it to repeat a performance?
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Speaker 5: I mean that last that Week eighteen game, with the
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Speaker 5: first round by and the win in the division, all
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Speaker 5: that stuff on the line. The Seahawks showed up, But
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Speaker 5: I mean it was it was unbelievable. I've said it
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Speaker 5: already today and I know I said it after that game.
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Speaker 5: Just the tackling on defense was I mean, it was perfect.
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Speaker 5: They just they didn't have anything after they completed a
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Speaker 5: pass or even got past Atlanta scrimmage. So is it
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Speaker 5: is it difficult to do that. Or is that just
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Speaker 5: who this Seahawks team is and you just expect them
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Speaker 5: to make every single tackle?
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Speaker 4: Well, no, I but that's who the team is. First
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Speaker 4: of all. I think they're defensively in particular, they're they're
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Speaker 4: gonna play that way all the time. Excuse me, they
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Speaker 4: that's who they are. Having said that, No, the mistakes
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Speaker 4: will take play. Well, every team makes mistakes. Every player
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Speaker 4: will misa tackle in a game. It's not going to
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Speaker 4: be perfect. So and I think San Francisco they're going
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Speaker 4: to see a different San Francisco team as well, because
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Speaker 4: the forty nine ers there, they had been prior to
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Speaker 4: that game, and even yesterday they played better offense than
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Speaker 4: they did in that game. Why because the Seahawks have
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Speaker 4: a good defense, or because we made too many mistakes
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Speaker 4: and we played it this way. So they'll correct those
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Speaker 4: and I expect I expect the better offensive showing from them.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious that just talking about scheme. They always
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Speaker 2: say about the great coaches they innovate while you're innovating.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: They said that about Walsh, and they said that about you,
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Speaker 2: and they say that about Andy, and I think they
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Speaker 2: say that about McVeigh and Shanahan and McDonald that you
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Speaker 2: you know they're trying, the league's trying to adjust to you,
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Speaker 2: but you've already adjusted to them and they didn't even
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Speaker 2: realize it, you know that sort of thing. And so
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Speaker 2: how do you Because Hugh's right, and I would ask Hughes'
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Speaker 2: opinion on this as well.
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Speaker 3: Hugh's right.
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Speaker 2: You know Shannan's going to do something different, you just
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Speaker 2: don't know what he's going to do differently. So if
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Speaker 2: you're Mike McDonald and you know what you did the
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Speaker 2: last time work perfectly.
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Speaker 3: Are you going to change anything?
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Speaker 2: Are you going to try to anticipate what Shanahan's going
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Speaker 2: to do to change up so that you're ready for that?
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Speaker 3: How do you handle that? From an innovation standpoint?
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Speaker 4: I don't think the Seahawks will change dramatically from what
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Speaker 4: they're taught. I think based within their defense, they're ready
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Speaker 4: for most anything. But they also have to be ready
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Speaker 4: for motions and shifting and things like that. You know.
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Speaker 4: But the bottom line I think is can the forty
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Speaker 4: nine ers pass protect against the four guys? If they can?
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Speaker 4: If they can per you'll complete passes. He's good at that.
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Speaker 4: If they can't, then it's going to be a tough,
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Speaker 4: long day for San Francisco. In which case then then
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Speaker 4: you might have to blitz a little bit more than
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Speaker 4: they're used to. They'll talk about the six. So that's
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Speaker 4: the adjustment they would make on defense, you know, because no,
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Speaker 4: they you can't be ready for everything, so you just
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Speaker 4: have to play this is our defense. They go emotion there,
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Speaker 4: we do this, they do this, and then you don't
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Speaker 4: make too many rules because that's when the mistakes come in.
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Speaker 6: Mike, I think a general, if you had to describe
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Speaker 6: general as my general take would be the Seattle's game plan.
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Speaker 6: They're going to play a pass defense too high structure
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Speaker 6: on most downs, and they are, and when they don't,
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Speaker 6: they're going to disguise, get into it. They're gonna play
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Speaker 6: with So they're going to stop the pass with their
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Speaker 6: structure and with their personnel. They were in nickel or
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Speaker 6: dime on every not a single play a base and
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Speaker 6: so they were able to do that. And then, as
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Speaker 6: Mike McDonald says, drink the playbook so that it's third
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Speaker 6: and long. And then I thought they did a great job.
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Speaker 6: Now Trent Williams wasn't playing, but I thought Seattle defensive
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Speaker 6: ends did a great job of creating of converting speed
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Speaker 6: to power on their pass rushes and squeezing Purdy from
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Speaker 6: the outside and then also getting a push on the
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Speaker 6: inside and did a good better job of keeping them
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Speaker 6: in the pocket. Remember the game winner in Week one
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Speaker 6: at Seattle was Purty getting outside the pocket, extending the
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Speaker 6: play and throwing the touchdown pass off script. And so
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Speaker 6: I think those were kind of some of the fastests
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Speaker 6: that that I thought were essential to the game plan
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Speaker 6: for Seattle.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that if Perdy, I don't think Perdy
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Speaker 4: can beat them by himself or the passing game can't
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Speaker 4: win the game by the by itself. I really believe,
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Speaker 4: because the way that that Seattle is defending and they're
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Speaker 4: they're defending it beautifully, but they forty nine ers. To
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Speaker 4: stay in the football game, have got to get the
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Speaker 4: running game going a little. They've got to get the
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Speaker 4: running game going, and they've shown their ability to do that,
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Speaker 4: but they couldn't do it against Seattle in the first
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Speaker 4: game the last time they played. But to win the
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Speaker 4: football game, they're gonna have to do that because that'll
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Speaker 4: give party more time, that'll just make it a little
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Speaker 4: bit easier for.
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Speaker 3: Him, Mike.
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Speaker 6: When we last discussed this point, it was just kind
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Speaker 6: of in the aftermath of the last game. Now it's
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Speaker 6: kind of a part of the preview the forty nine ers.
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Speaker 6: In that game, they had excuse me, two running backs
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Speaker 6: on nineteen plays, Kyle Usteff right, ten time Pro Bowl fullback.
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Speaker 6: But of those nineteen they only had us check in
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Speaker 6: the backfield at the snap one of nineteen. Otherwise Uschak
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Speaker 6: was out in the wing, they'd split him out.
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Speaker 3: What have you.
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Speaker 6: One could charge that Kyle Shannon was getting a little
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Speaker 6: too cute in terms of what's their brand identity. Their
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Speaker 6: brand identity is when Usteff's in the game, he's the
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Speaker 6: lead back, and you know, like like we got an
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Speaker 6: extra man in the hole on those lead zone plays, right,
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Speaker 6: So what about that aspect of it with what you say,
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Speaker 6: how they're going to make the adjustments, how they're going
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Speaker 6: to run the football, would you expect to see a
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Speaker 6: change in that stat.
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Speaker 4: I really would. I think Yusha, he last night he
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Speaker 4: proved he's also a good pass receiver out of the backfield,
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Speaker 4: and so he can do that. I'm you know, Tom Moore,
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Speaker 4: who was a great coach coach for He just retired.
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Speaker 4: He's eighty six years old. You guys know the name.
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Speaker 4: He coached for Tampa, I believe most recently and Indianapolis.
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Speaker 4: He had Indianapolis with Peyton Manning and he and it
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Speaker 4: was very simple. He went, Okay, if they're in that
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Speaker 4: too deep, look the look that the forty nine ers,
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Speaker 4: excuse me it Seattle runs. Okay, we're running the ball
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Speaker 4: at the lion scrimage. You call a run. If they're
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Speaker 4: in single safety, you call it pass boom end.
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Speaker 3: That was it.
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Speaker 4: Bayton Manning get up with Omaha and do all that stuff.
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Speaker 4: But that was it. And so if Seattle continues to
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Speaker 4: run the two deep, you got to be able to
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Speaker 4: run against that. If you can't, it's going to be
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Speaker 4: a long day. Because on paper, everybody has thought, if
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Speaker 4: you're running that kind of defense, you can run against it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean whether or not they can, I mean,
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Speaker 5: I'm not one hundred percent sure that the Niners are
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Speaker 5: apt to even try, just simply because of how good
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Speaker 5: the Seahawks defense is up there the front four, but
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Speaker 5: even that front seven, and yet they can kind of
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Speaker 5: still get the ball in Jackson or in Christian McCaffrey's
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Speaker 5: hands via the pass, and so they can figure out
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Speaker 5: how to do that. I mean, is there if you
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Speaker 5: end up having a dominant game, albeit that you still
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Speaker 5: only score or thirteen points on your own end and
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Speaker 5: so you don't blow them out even though you dominate
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Speaker 5: it defensively, how many changes are you trying to make
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Speaker 5: or is it just still the we're just gonna.
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Speaker 3: Do what we do.
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Speaker 4: We don't have to change anything. No, you have to.
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Speaker 4: They look, they're gonna look at that game and they're
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Speaker 4: gonna you have to look at that game and say, Okay,
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Speaker 4: we were not at our best. Why why didn't this happen?
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Speaker 4: Why did this happen? How come we didn't take advantage
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Speaker 4: of that all those things. They're going to study that
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Speaker 4: game like crazy and then make adjustments to that and
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Speaker 4: the Chuck's point earlier. You know, Mike knows that, you
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Speaker 4: know you play that. Okay, if we know they're gonna
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Speaker 4: do this, maybe we should do this, and then you
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Speaker 4: get into that and so eventually you just have to,
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Speaker 4: using those parameters, still do what you think you can
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Speaker 4: do best. And you've done it all season long.
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Speaker 2: Let's just assume as a collective group that. Let's say
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks give up five yards of offense Saturday total
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Speaker 2: to the San Francisco forty Piners.
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Speaker 3: Let's just assume that, and yet, and yet it's still
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Speaker 3: tend to nothing.
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Speaker 2: What about offensively, I mean, what offensively coach needs to
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Speaker 2: change about the Seahawks attack so that if the defense
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Speaker 2: does dominate on Saturday, that you're still not in the
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Speaker 2: fourth quarter wondering if you're gonna pull it off.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been that. It's been that way a little
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Speaker 4: bit all season long, you know, because they haven't scored
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Speaker 4: a lot of points in some games in the first half,
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Speaker 4: then they kind of regroup and put up the points
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Speaker 4: in the second half. I think they're running the ball.
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Speaker 4: They have a feeling. I believe they believe they're running
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Speaker 4: the ball better now with both the backs. So we'll
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Speaker 4: see that, you know, and then you know, you can't
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Speaker 4: turn the ball over. I mean, it's pretty basic football.
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Speaker 4: And so if they can run the ball like they've
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Speaker 4: been running with Walker and Sharbonnay, if they can do that,
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Speaker 4: then I think offensively, they've got enough weapons there to
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Speaker 4: take care of business.
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Speaker 6: Mike, Let's circle back to yesterday, just watching the game,
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Speaker 6: what was your impression and what was noteworthy about the
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Speaker 6: forty nine er game they're at Philadelphia.
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Speaker 4: I thought the forty nine or defense. You know, they
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Speaker 4: they lost their two best defensive players, Pro Bowl players,
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Speaker 4: and and you know, and and yet they got guys there.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know the names of some of them, you know,
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Speaker 4: and they're playing and they're they're really showing me an aggressive,
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Speaker 4: fiery defense. And I thought against the Eagles, who was
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Speaker 4: you know, they have a dominating offensive line. They got Barkley,
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Speaker 4: they got they got you know, they have good offensive people.
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Speaker 4: They they really did a good job against Philadelphia in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 4: And so that was the thing that was my takeaway
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Speaker 4: that they can play good defense, and the Seahawks are
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Speaker 4: going to have to have a good offensive game. They'll
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Speaker 4: have a good plan, but then you have to execute
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Speaker 4: it to take care of business.
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Speaker 2: I think, all right, Mike Homeran is with us, Hugh
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Speaker 2: Millan is with us. We are Monday morning quarterbacking here today.
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Speaker 2: We do know the opponent for the Seahawks. It will
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Speaker 2: be the San Francisco forty nine ers. More information on
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Speaker 2: kickoff times coming as the day goes along here, but
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Speaker 2: we've certainly got a lot more to analyze here this morning,
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Speaker 2: including coaches' thoughts on some of the other action across
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Speaker 2: the National Football League Hughes as well as we continue
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Speaker 2: to power through here.
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Speaker 3: On this Monday morning.
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Speaker 2: Good to have you with us, so more of Coach
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Speaker 2: wild Card Round weekend. There's still a game tonight Pittsburgh
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Speaker 2: versus Houston. They'll play tonight in Pennsylvania for Monday Night
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Speaker 2: Football for the final spot in that Divisional round where
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks and Broncos have been waiting for their opponents.
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Speaker 2: The final piece will come into play here this evening.
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Speaker 3: We do know that.
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Speaker 2: San Francisco will play at Seattle on Saturday, we just
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Speaker 2: don't know what time yet. Obviously, man coach the NFL playoffs, Man,
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Speaker 2: the physicality gets ramped up an extra notch. I couldn't
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Speaker 2: believe how physical those games were. I mean, we all
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Speaker 2: know football is very physical and where we used to
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Speaker 2: watching Seahawks play physical football, so it shouldn't be that
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Speaker 2: startling batman. It it just I mean, there were guys
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Speaker 2: just getting clobbered all week in long You know, how
19:27
Speaker 2: is Mike McDonald as a first year head coach, what
19:31
Speaker 2: would be the advice getting ready for or second not
19:34
Speaker 2: first year head coach, second year head coach getting ready
19:36
Speaker 2: for his first playoff game.
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Speaker 3: What would be your advice?
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Speaker 2: You know, he's not going to be caught off guard
19:41
Speaker 2: by the physicality, but in terms of what he needs
19:45
Speaker 2: to prepare his players for so that they're not caught
19:48
Speaker 2: off guard, whether it's physicality or something else.
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Speaker 4: You know, I always that's a good point, and I
19:55
Speaker 4: think every coach in the playoffs they have to deal
19:58
Speaker 4: with this that I would, and I think I maybe
20:02
Speaker 4: mentioned this on the show before that you play the
20:05
Speaker 4: you play the preseason, then you play the regular season,
20:09
Speaker 4: then you play the playoffs, then you get into the
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Speaker 4: super Bowl. So there are four distinct, in my opinion,
20:15
Speaker 4: levels of intensity. You know, you're going like crazy during
20:19
Speaker 4: the season, but now you get in the playoffs, everyone
20:22
Speaker 4: cranks it up a notch. And it's how your team
20:25
Speaker 4: responds to you. And I used to talk about that.
20:28
Speaker 4: I said, Okay, you give me everything you had during
20:31
Speaker 4: the season, Now reach down and give me some more.
20:35
Speaker 4: I know you can do that. Give me some more,
20:37
Speaker 4: and then if you get it, you get to the
20:39
Speaker 4: super Bowl. I know you give me everything. Is there
20:42
Speaker 4: anything left? Give me some more, and and you kind
20:46
Speaker 4: of treat it that way. So and I'm sure Mike
20:48
Speaker 4: he knows that he's been in given having coached a
20:52
Speaker 4: playoff game. Oh sure he knows that because he's as
20:55
Speaker 4: a head coach. But they'll be They have to understand.
21:01
Speaker 4: Your team has to understand the other team's going to
21:04
Speaker 4: be different. It's not going to be the team they
21:07
Speaker 4: beat thirteen to three. It's not going to be all right,
21:10
Speaker 4: And so how are we going to handle this. We're
21:13
Speaker 4: gonna do our thing. We're gonna steal your coach to
21:18
Speaker 4: do the right things, not make mistakes, be physical, all
21:21
Speaker 4: those things. But then all the things I said, crank
21:26
Speaker 4: it up a match, you know, because they're going to
21:28
Speaker 4: They're going to Mayah, Mike.
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Speaker 6: Let's talk about Brock Perdy for a second. Here, here's
21:34
Speaker 6: a guy that, if you go back to training camp
21:37
Speaker 6: his targets, he probably was thought he was going to
21:39
Speaker 6: be throwing to Brandon Ayuk and Ricky Piersoll and to
21:44
Speaker 6: George Kittle. None of those guys were available to him
21:49
Speaker 6: in the second half of the game yesterday. He's a
21:52
Speaker 6: guy that four of his five playoff wins, they all
21:56
Speaker 6: feature game winning drives. There's a resilience this.
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Speaker 3: Guy, you know.
22:01
Speaker 6: I mean the game winning drive that he had yesterday
22:05
Speaker 6: was following an interception. And so I'm just curious your take.
22:10
Speaker 6: Is a unique guy, one of the weakest arm starting
22:14
Speaker 6: quarterbacks I think I've ever seen, and yet he has
22:19
Speaker 6: his own branded quarterbacking. I've got some thoughts on him,
22:21
Speaker 6: but I'd love to hear yours.
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Speaker 4: Well. He's really I really like the guy because of
22:27
Speaker 4: what you just said you I think skill strength wise
22:31
Speaker 4: in his arm. You know, he throws, he very accurate,
22:34
Speaker 4: and he makes good decisions, but he doesn't have a
22:36
Speaker 4: lot of juice. I mean, he can't just rack it
22:39
Speaker 4: in there most of the time. You know, his arm
22:42
Speaker 4: strength is average, it's not super. But so how does
22:47
Speaker 4: he do it? How does any quarterback do it like
22:50
Speaker 4: that one? He's coachable, he understands their system, he knows
22:54
Speaker 4: where to go with the football. Okay, he has good movement,
22:58
Speaker 4: he can get out of trouble and he can run
23:00
Speaker 4: a little bit, so that helps him as well. But
23:03
Speaker 4: you look at the forty nine offense. The guys you
23:06
Speaker 4: mentioned those were their starting receivers. Those were their good guys.
23:10
Speaker 4: When that happened, to me, we weren't nearly as good
23:13
Speaker 4: in the passing game, regardless of who went in there.
23:17
Speaker 4: You know, I had Desmond Howard, I had some people
23:19
Speaker 4: go in there. They weren't the same as the guys
23:21
Speaker 4: that started. And so what happened yesterday who caught the
23:25
Speaker 4: passes the full back and the half back and then
23:28
Speaker 4: every once in a while to get one to the
23:30
Speaker 4: tight end. Jennings caught a couple of balls, but not many.
23:34
Speaker 4: So Marcus Robinson stepped up. Yeah, and he stepped up.
23:37
Speaker 4: Robinson stepped up. But I mean it changes and so
23:41
Speaker 4: but pretty you can't bet against the guy, the young
23:45
Speaker 4: man he's I think he's this teammates love him. His
23:50
Speaker 4: journey to get where he is that has to that's
23:53
Speaker 4: pretty impressive. And I think he still remained somewhat humble,
23:57
Speaker 4: you know, So that's that's impressive to me too. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I like humility. It doesn't happen a whole hug
24:02
Speaker 5: of a lot nowadays in sports. But I'm the best
24:04
Speaker 5: at being humble. Yeah, you're You're the best in the
24:07
Speaker 5: world being humble.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh huh uh. Coach he was talking earlier, he just.
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Speaker 5: Mentioned and kind of went a little bit into the
24:17
Speaker 5: the idea of like simulated pressures and how Seattle can
24:21
Speaker 5: look like they might be bringing extra guys and yet
24:24
Speaker 5: then they just they trust that they're four guys will
24:26
Speaker 5: get there.
24:27
Speaker 6: Uh.
24:28
Speaker 5: How difficult is that to coach a guy like Rock Purty,
24:31
Speaker 5: for for example, on how to kind of dissect what
24:35
Speaker 5: they're going to do even though you don't know they're
24:37
Speaker 5: gonna look like they're doing one thing and maybe do
24:39
Speaker 5: another or they might actually bring that pressure. So how
24:42
Speaker 5: difficult is that and how much of it scheme wise
24:44
Speaker 5: can Kyle Shanahan do to give him out with the
24:49
Speaker 5: play calling, regardless of whether they bring somebody or not.
24:52
Speaker 5: So you're having maybe some deeper intermediate routes, but you're
24:54
Speaker 5: also having some hot routes in case the guys do come.
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Speaker 4: That's exactly right, and that's the toughest thing to do.
24:59
Speaker 3: Buck.
25:00
Speaker 4: And when you're teaching the quarterback or getting him ready
25:02
Speaker 4: during a week and you see teams now that put
25:06
Speaker 4: you know they'll put seven guys up front on defense.
25:10
Speaker 4: Now the quarterback has the decision to make protection. If
25:14
Speaker 4: you're gonna throw the ball, Am I going to slide
25:16
Speaker 4: the line of the left, I'm gonna slide the line
25:18
Speaker 4: of the right. Do I have anybody helping me in
25:19
Speaker 4: the backfield? You know? And then a lot of times
25:24
Speaker 4: you slide the line one way and know they fooled you,
25:27
Speaker 4: and here they come on the other side. You gotta
25:30
Speaker 4: have a hot receiver. You got to have somebody to
25:32
Speaker 4: get the ball to. That's the that's the challenge you
25:35
Speaker 4: get underneath the center. And you know this better than anybody.
25:38
Speaker 4: You in underneath the center. You make the decision, Okay,
25:42
Speaker 4: they're gonna play this defense. This is what I think
25:44
Speaker 4: they're gonna do. This is my this is my progression.
25:48
Speaker 4: You take one step on your drop and you're watching
25:53
Speaker 4: the safeties and you're watching whoever whoops? No, it's something
25:57
Speaker 4: else where do I What do I do? Now? That's
26:01
Speaker 4: the challenge for the week, because everything happens in like
26:04
Speaker 4: two seconds. Two seconds right before you get killed, before
26:09
Speaker 4: you get stopped, is smashed, you know. So that's that's
26:12
Speaker 4: that's the beauty of playing quarterback, and that's that's what
26:15
Speaker 4: you have to teach him.
26:17
Speaker 6: And I didn't communicate it well. Sim Pressure, as it's
26:22
Speaker 6: generally just described as, is if you have if you're
26:26
Speaker 6: rushing four players, that's normal. Five or more is considered
26:32
Speaker 6: a blitz or a pressure. And as a sim pressure
26:35
Speaker 6: is where like a dB comes off a slot or
26:39
Speaker 6: the corners come whatever, what appears like a blitzing player.
26:44
Speaker 6: But because defensive linemen drop out. For example, when Leonard
26:49
Speaker 6: Williams dropped out and he intercepted Aaron Rodgers and then
26:53
Speaker 6: ran it back ninety two yards, you know that that
26:56
Speaker 6: would be the type of thing you would see in
26:58
Speaker 6: a sim pressure Seattle in terms of five man pressures,
27:03
Speaker 6: uh five five, they're only twenty one twenty two and
27:10
Speaker 6: bringing blitzes that's five or more. That's twenty fourth in
27:14
Speaker 6: the league. But they they bring all. There's a lot
27:17
Speaker 6: of times where they're only rushing four. We actually do
27:20
Speaker 6: the math. They're only rushing four, but one or two
27:25
Speaker 6: of them are a linebacker or a dB or somebody
27:28
Speaker 6: that that feels like a blitz to the quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we got to coach. We got Hugh
27:34
Speaker 2: here on chalking back in the morning. I do want
27:36
Speaker 2: to mention this before we run out of time, and
27:37
Speaker 2: our one last thing we add your guy Matt hasselback.
27:41
Speaker 3: On last Wednesday.
27:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said, uh, I'm gonna talk behind his
27:46
Speaker 2: back a little bit here. He said that he was
27:49
Speaker 2: under the impression that Joe Montana was your favorite quarterback
27:53
Speaker 2: of all time.
27:53
Speaker 4: He said that, Yeah.
27:54
Speaker 2: And he also said that you did not know that.
27:58
Speaker 2: He said, will we want the ball and we're going
28:01
Speaker 2: to score that You did not know that that happened.
28:04
Speaker 4: That's true. I found out about it in the locker
28:07
Speaker 4: room afterwards after we lost.
28:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said, he said, you came he came walking
28:13
Speaker 5: over and you.
28:14
Speaker 4: Said, what did you do?
28:15
Speaker 3: Did you do something? Did you do something?
28:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there was oh there was, I go, yeah,
28:21
Speaker 4: I didn't know. And then of course when I found out,
28:24
Speaker 4: I said, I wish you hadn't done That's a very
28:29
Speaker 4: nice way to say it. You know, what, are you nuts?
28:35
Speaker 6: I wish the receiver, the four string receiver who's basically
28:39
Speaker 6: a spect teams guy, I wish he hadn't taken his
28:41
Speaker 6: hitch route three years.
28:43
Speaker 4: There's a you know, I'd forgotten about that game. I'm
28:46
Speaker 4: glad you guys brought that up. Let's talk about the
28:51
Speaker 4: super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: One thing, one last thing with coaching you Next Sports
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29:25
Speaker 2: Monday Morning quarterback session.
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Speaker 3: Bucky, what do you got? Well?
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Speaker 5: I mean, Seahawks have to get by the Niners first,
29:32
Speaker 5: but it does feel like they're on a clision course
29:34
Speaker 5: with the rams, and so I have one for you,
29:36
Speaker 5: and then Hugh actually to weigh in as well. Matt
29:39
Speaker 5: Stafford yesterday was near perfect to start the game, then
29:44
Speaker 5: shortly after he had hit his finger on his own
29:47
Speaker 5: hand on a helmet, then went like over eight and
29:51
Speaker 5: it was missing some uncharacteristic throws. It seemed to me
29:54
Speaker 5: comes out today that apparently it sprained is his index
29:57
Speaker 5: finger on his throwing hand, So coach, how importan is that?
30:00
Speaker 5: And then Hugh you can give me your thoughts on
30:03
Speaker 5: that as well.
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Speaker 4: Well. I think it's hugely important if he's you know,
30:06
Speaker 4: it's his throwing hand and your index finger and your
30:10
Speaker 4: to me, your index finger. The whole hand is involved,
30:12
Speaker 4: but the index finger and your thumb really are the
30:16
Speaker 4: vital parts of delivering the ball the way you wanted
30:19
Speaker 4: to go.
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Speaker 3: You know.
30:21
Speaker 4: I did the same thing with my thumb in college,
30:23
Speaker 4: you know, and I couldn't. I couldn't do anything for
30:25
Speaker 4: about three weeks. So I suppose, depending on how bad
30:29
Speaker 4: it is, I don't know, maybe they can deaden the
30:33
Speaker 4: pain a little bit. I don't know, but it is important,
30:35
Speaker 4: and if it's bothering him he's not gonna be able
30:38
Speaker 4: to throw it exactly the same. I don't think.
30:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I think the thumb is probably the most important because
30:44
Speaker 6: it's it's the only one that opposes obviously, But I
30:48
Speaker 6: think as far as the fingers, I think the index
30:51
Speaker 6: finger is the most important because that's the last finger
30:55
Speaker 6: that is contacting the football. And so if you're going
30:58
Speaker 6: to try and get the spin in and and and
31:01
Speaker 6: you know, coaches use this term, oh man, that quarterback,
31:04
Speaker 6: he can really spin it. And and we generally think
31:06
Speaker 6: of a spiral as the absence of a wobble. But
31:09
Speaker 6: there's the other component is how fast is it revolving
31:12
Speaker 6: around its long axis. And you put a football in
31:16
Speaker 6: a wind tunnel, you start cranking it up, the aerodynamic
31:20
Speaker 6: drag is less, so fast spinning footballs don't just look pretty.
31:25
Speaker 6: They get there faster because they're aero dynamically more deficient,
31:29
Speaker 6: excuse me efficient, And and Matthew Stafford can spin it
31:33
Speaker 6: with the best of them. He needs that index finger
31:36
Speaker 6: to get the maximum revolution. And and of course there's
31:39
Speaker 6: the accuracy piece. So I think it's huge.
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Speaker 3: I could not spin it with the best and then
31:43
Speaker 3: I was the backup.
31:44
Speaker 5: Quarterback in high school. What was that supposed to me? Well,
31:48
Speaker 5: that you couldn't spin it with the best of them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, somebody's being self deprecating, you to let them
31:53
Speaker 2: be self depreciating. So I'm a junior in high school
31:57
Speaker 2: and uh, and I'm the backup quarterback, starting receiver, and
32:01
Speaker 2: I broke my thumb early in the in the game,
32:04
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to tell the coaches because it
32:06
Speaker 2: was I didn't want to come out of the game.
32:08
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, of course, our starting
32:09
Speaker 2: quarterback goes down. So I'm like, no, it goes over.
32:14
Speaker 2: You got to play quarterback. I'm like, I don't think so.
32:16
Speaker 2: And I held up my hand and it's like dangling
32:20
Speaker 2: off of my hand, and the coach goes.
32:23
Speaker 3: You can hand off, can't you? So I had to
32:27
Speaker 3: go in there and take snaps and hang off.
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Speaker 4: I thought he handled that very well. You know, I
32:31
Speaker 4: did the same thing. I had my thumb coming up.
32:34
Speaker 4: Instead of dangling, it was coming up looking at me.
32:37
Speaker 4: If you look at your hand right in that joint,
32:39
Speaker 4: it was looking pointing right up, and I went, oh,
32:42
Speaker 4: that's not right. I came over to the trainer, I said,
32:45
Speaker 4: what do you think he goes, that doesn't look good,
32:47
Speaker 4: and he rabs it and goes and flips it back
32:50
Speaker 4: into place with anyone who you're out over here?
32:53
Speaker 2: They were so not scared of me thrown. I swear
32:56
Speaker 2: there were forty two people in the box when I
32:59
Speaker 2: went to the line of scream.
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Speaker 3: Like the the coach and the assistant, the water boy.
33:02
Speaker 3: They were all in the box. All right here, what
33:05
Speaker 3: you got for a coach?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've faced those same fronts, by the way. Yeah,
33:09
Speaker 6: they weren't scared of me either. But I would say, uh, yeah,
33:14
Speaker 6: it's such an incredible weekend of football. I guess even
33:18
Speaker 6: counting the college games from Thursday and Friday night, I'd
33:21
Speaker 6: just leave a blank slate to Mike. What did you
33:25
Speaker 6: either enjoy or was there something that impressed upon you
33:28
Speaker 6: about the rest of the good football games that we saw?
33:31
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, You're exactly right. It was really
33:33
Speaker 4: a remarkable weekend. The games were all very very close,
33:38
Speaker 4: and Chuck and I were talking about it earlier that
33:42
Speaker 4: you could make a case that almost every game you
33:46
Speaker 4: could say that play decided it, that played one play.
33:50
Speaker 4: You know, it's never just one play, but you could
33:52
Speaker 4: make a case they were so close that that's what happened.
33:55
Speaker 4: The other thing, though, that clock management and how some
34:00
Speaker 4: teams handled the lead or handled the fourth quarter left
34:05
Speaker 4: me a little bit puzzled because these are all good coaches,
34:08
Speaker 4: or the teams are good, and I just saw from
34:11
Speaker 4: a coaching perspective sometimes I was going, I wonder why
34:15
Speaker 4: they did that. I wish they hadn't done that, you know,
34:18
Speaker 4: but the games were great and it was a great weekend.
34:21
Speaker 3: It just shows you, man, one balance to the ball. Yeah,
34:23
Speaker 3: could have had four different results.
34:25
Speaker 2: Sure, I think the Patriots were the better team last
34:28
Speaker 2: night against the Chargers, but any of those other games,
34:31
Speaker 2: even the Rams Panthers game, could have come gone the
34:34
Speaker 2: other way. I mean, Stafford threw an interception if it
34:36
Speaker 2: wasn't for Nakua knocking the ball out of the defender's hands.
34:40
Speaker 2: I mean, and that was a huge play in that
34:42
Speaker 2: football game.
34:43
Speaker 6: Does anybody else, I'm sorry, go ahead, does anybody else
34:47
Speaker 6: think that Puka Nikula is the best non quarterback in
34:50
Speaker 6: the league. I know you say, well, Miles Garrett, but
34:53
Speaker 6: oh my god, that guy, that football player, Mike. He's physical.
34:57
Speaker 6: It's like he comes down with everything. It's just he
35:00
Speaker 6: is maddeningly good.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is. He is really a special player. And
35:05
Speaker 4: he's a young guy. I mean, he's he's still got
35:07
Speaker 4: a long ways to go in this league. He stays healthy,
35:10
Speaker 4: which I hope he does. Yeah, but he is special. Yeah,
35:13
Speaker 4: and it's stunning. Absolutely what fifth round pick someone like that?
35:17
Speaker 4: And he's just remarkable.
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Speaker 2: I will My one last thing for you is I
35:23
Speaker 2: want you to finally either support or dispel this theory
35:26
Speaker 2: once and for all. Playing a team three times, like
35:29
Speaker 2: there's a chance Sal's trying to play a team for
35:32
Speaker 2: the third time back to back weeks just to get
35:35
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl?
35:37
Speaker 4: Did you like it?
35:38
Speaker 3: Hate it?
35:39
Speaker 2: Did you look at it as an advantage because you thought, Hey,
35:42
Speaker 2: the more I see that team, I feel better about
35:45
Speaker 2: my ability to adapt than the other coach's ability to
35:49
Speaker 2: adapt to us. How did you feel about facing a
35:51
Speaker 2: team for a third time in a season.
35:54
Speaker 4: Well, I'd gone through it one time with San Francisco.
35:57
Speaker 4: We played the Rams four times preseason in Japan, two
36:02
Speaker 4: times during the regular season, and we played them in
36:04
Speaker 4: the NFC Championship Game four times. So yeah, what what
36:08
Speaker 4: you I think what you have to be wary of
36:12
Speaker 4: is thinking, Okay, they know us pretty well. I've really
36:14
Speaker 4: got to put in all these wrinkles so they don't
36:18
Speaker 4: you know, they catch them off guard. You have to
36:21
Speaker 4: change some things, but be careful. Don't change the things
36:25
Speaker 4: you do well, don't don't change who gets the ball.
36:29
Speaker 4: Those those are you know, those are important. That's gotten
36:32
Speaker 4: you to the point you're at. And so, uh, it
36:37
Speaker 4: didn't bother me to answer your question, Chuck, it didn't
36:39
Speaker 4: bother me. It's a it's a game, you know the opponent.
36:44
Speaker 4: What what I would stress is what I said before. Now,
36:47
Speaker 4: give me extra, give me some more. Because we played
36:51
Speaker 4: them three times or two times. It can't be the
36:54
Speaker 4: same game. This has to be different. Give me some more.
36:57
Speaker 3: I have a fail. We're going to talk more about
36:59
Speaker 3: this as the week goes along. What do you think you.
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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, I mean just the NFC West. You know,
37:07
Speaker 6: three of the four teams remaining in the in the
37:11
Speaker 6: in the conference are from this division. It's been a
37:13
Speaker 6: hell of a division. Last year, the NFC North set
37:17
Speaker 6: the record for highest win percentage of any division in
37:21
Speaker 6: the history of football, and we were just a little
37:24
Speaker 6: bit behind it. This year the NFC West was. But
37:27
Speaker 6: but you know, it's been a long time since you've
37:30
Speaker 6: had I think the only four times in history, Mike
37:33
Speaker 6: have we had three teams advanced to the divisional round.
37:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's it reminds me a little bit.
37:39
Speaker 4: When I first went to Green Bay, Minnesota was at
37:41
Speaker 4: the top of their game. Detroit had Barry Sanders, you know,
37:45
Speaker 4: so it was a really strong division. So if you
37:48
Speaker 4: got through your division, okay, I always saw, okay, the playoffs,
37:54
Speaker 4: we should be here and and we can take care
37:57
Speaker 4: of business in the playoffs. All right, well, let's home,
38:00
Speaker 4: let's do it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, gentlemen, appreciate you as you always. Hugh Mellen,
38:04
Speaker 2: r QB one coach Holmgren with us as well. Another
38:06
Speaker 2: session of Monday Morning Quarterback comes to a close. Ashley,
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Speaker 2: Bucky and I will be back tomorrow at six a m.
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