Latest / The Sexology Lab / Education Forgot the Fun Part: Amy Baldwin and April Lampert on Pleasure, Shame, and What We’re Missing | Episode 12

Transcript

Education Forgot the Fun Part: Amy Baldwin and April Lampert on Pleasure, Shame, and What We’re Missing | Episode 12 · The Sexology Lab

0:00
Obviously what we wanted to create was about sex in
0:02
relationships. And then the main focus was to
0:05
originally we had said eradicate shame.
0:07
And then we're like, wait, no, shame is a teacher.
0:10
It's not about never experiencing shame, getting rid
0:13
of it forever and being clean and clear.
0:15
It's how to have the least amount of shame, full sex.
0:21
I like to think that we are teaching people and how to work
0:23
with their shame to have better sex, whether it's with
0:26
themselves or their partners or just their perspective on
0:29
sexuality in general. I don't think we'll ever be able
0:31
to totally eradicate shame, but what would the world look like
0:34
if it was more shameless, especially in the world of
0:37
sexuality? Why are we taking all the fun
0:41
parts out of sex education? It's not all doom and gloom.
0:46
Today in the Lab, we're joined by Amy Baldwin and April
0:49
Lampert, the host of the wildly popular Shameless Sex Podcast,
0:54
to explore pleasure, shame, communication, and the sex
0:59
education most people never received.
1:02
Today we talk about why pleasure belongs in sex education, how
1:06
shame silently shapes our sexual lives, and why healing often
1:11
starts with finally feeling safe enough to ask the question
1:14
you've been afraid to say out loud.
1:17
If you've ever felt like no one taught you how to actually talk
1:21
about sex, this episode is for you.
1:24
Welcome to Sexology Lab. Each week we speak with the most
1:27
compelling minds in modern sexology to ask the questions
1:31
shaping the future of desire, connection, and human Wellness.
1:36
Let's dive in. Hello everyone, I am here with
1:39
Amy and April, the Co host of the Shameless Sex Podcast.
1:43
Welcome. So happy to be here.
1:46
Thank you for having us. Yes, thanks for being with us
1:49
today. I want to start out with what is
1:51
your 32nd origin story? So how did the two of you find
1:56
your way into podcasting in the sexual health space and when did
1:59
you realize this is my specialty?
2:02
Well, I'll start off by saying Amy was the person that
2:05
introduced me to the world of sexual health and Wellness.
2:08
And she studied it, but she had a sex shop that she opened with
2:11
her mom, a brick and mortar shop.
2:13
And so back in 2008, she kind of lured me in in a good way.
2:16
I had no idea that I had a gift for this.
2:18
And it's found me and I've never looked back.
2:20
And Amy and I started podcasting in 2017, and it's been a great
2:26
journey and I've been in the sex toy industry for now 15 years,
2:31
and talking to the world about sex and sex toys and pleasure
2:35
and getting them the pleasure they deserve.
2:37
Somehow. It's been a real gift.
2:38
And working with Amy, too. We're feeling really good about
2:41
all of our books and podcasts and all the things.
2:43
Yeah, I said books. But in that book.
2:45
Wow. Yeah.
2:46
So. Another one.
2:49
I know I'd love to hear a little bit more about your book.
2:51
Can you tell me a little bit about what's in the book?
2:53
Our book, The title is Shameless and then the running title is
2:56
April. We read it because we can never
2:58
remember. It's a bit long. 14 word long
3:00
subtitle Choose your own pleasure path to unlock the sex
3:04
life you've been waiting for. And this very much goes hand in
3:07
hand with Sheamus sex, right? So our podcast is designed to
3:12
help people or inspire people to discover sexuality in their own
3:15
terms, of course, abiding by consent and boundaries and all
3:18
those very important things, but acknowledging that we are all
3:20
very different, we all have very different interests, needs.
3:23
They're always changing, ever evolving.
3:25
The book itself, it's more like, OK, so here's your issue or your
3:28
desire, something fun and exciting, and instead of us
3:31
saying here's what you should do, what's the outcome that
3:33
you're desiring? And then you get to navigate
3:36
that. It's not a workbook, but it kind
3:37
of is. It's like a map or a compass.
3:39
Yeah, it has some real strategies in there to help
3:42
people. Sex educators seem to love it
3:44
too, which we're so excited about.
3:46
Yeah, because we've had a lot of great feedback from sex
3:48
educators. With what April already said
3:49
about us starting shameless sex, we guessed it on sex with Emily.
3:53
She's a dear friend of ours and one the top sexuality podcast in
3:56
the world. He left that just like, OK, so
3:59
we love talking. It was so fun.
4:00
We love talking about sex and people.
4:03
Always came to us with questions about sex and relationships.
4:06
And we're not perfect, right? We don't have it all figured
4:08
out, right? So like part of this is we love
4:11
talking about it and we help people feel safe, normalized.
4:15
It's relatable, right? Because we also have different
4:17
perspectives and we have different guests all the time.
4:19
And then also a big part is just giving people permission to just
4:22
navigate your unique selves and, and a lot of people have been
4:26
raised to think that there's one or three ways to be sexual and
4:28
that's not true. And it's not just us telling the
4:31
world what to do. We interview on our podcast.
4:33
We have almost 500 episodes. We've had a lot of Shah people
4:36
on our show many times love the Shah community.
4:40
And we interview folks of all scales like doctors, therapists,
4:45
authors, sex workers, educators, educators.
4:47
It's pretty expansive and it's been a learning journey for both
4:51
of us that we're really fortunate to be able to learn a
4:54
lot along with our listeners, and there's a lot of listeners
4:57
looks. Like a selfish side a little
4:59
bit. But it's wonderful because you
5:01
can never stop learning your sex and your relationships.
5:04
Your pleasure is always changing.
5:05
You're human. So it starts with you and also
5:09
starts with the Shaw community who's learning to improve other
5:12
people's pleasure out there too. So we're so grateful for that.
5:15
I. Love it.
5:17
So I would never ask you to choose a favorite guest, but if
5:20
there's someone that stands out in your mind, was there someone
5:24
that you interviewed on your podcast that really you learn
5:27
something unique from or it was just a really great interview?
5:31
Emily Nagowski, she is a legend such she's a researcher, she's
5:36
an incredible author. Come as you are changed my life.
5:39
And then now she has come together that book and she's
5:42
been on our show 2 times. And every single time I take
5:44
away Nuggets of knowledge that I use in my daily life and over
5:50
the years, I steal. Yours, No, I don't know.
5:52
So for me, I love formulas and new modalities because I'm
5:55
actually a heady person. One of my biggest pieces of work
5:58
for my own sexuality is slowing down and then like, you know,
6:01
really trying to not be super heady about everything.
6:05
And I think that there's heady processes or formulas or
6:08
modalities that people have created that help folks such as
6:11
myself understand myself or themselves better.
6:14
So I love and I know the episode number.
6:16
It's 120 because I talk about all the time and it's with Jaya
6:20
JAIYA and she created something called the erotic Blueprints.
6:25
And I love how you can take a little quiz.
6:27
It's like 16 questions. It's free.
6:29
It'll help you to understand. Here's what helps you
6:32
individually to fuel in your arousal.
6:35
And it might be different from your partner, your many partners
6:37
or what everyone else says to me, I guess any episode that
6:40
paints an easy to navigate picture or formula where people
6:44
can like, how can I go and figure this out for myself?
6:46
I just really appreciate that that's what the world needs.
6:49
Oh yeah, that's incredible. I love it.
6:51
All right, I would love to know what's 1 trend in this industry
6:55
that genuinely excites you? There's two.
6:58
Different industries, at least in our world, right?
6:59
There's like the therapy industry, actually.
7:01
Three therapy podcast, sex toys in the therapeutic world.
7:06
I am loving seeing, hearing, knowing that a lot more
7:09
therapists are seeking out further education just about
7:14
sexuality. I cannot tell you how many
7:17
people I've either worked with us because as a sexual
7:20
relationship coach or we receive emails from saying I have a
7:23
therapist, they're great. But when it comes to sex, it
7:26
just doesn't either feel safe. I don't feel seen.
7:30
Maybe it just doesn't feel like they have like the knowledge or
7:32
information that that person is really needing.
7:34
And so I'm loving things also like Shaw, right?
7:37
Like and the people that are dedicating their time and money
7:40
to expand their education to better serve these clients.
7:43
And also like, if y'all don't do that, that's great because I'll
7:45
work with them too and make money as well.
7:47
But why not? Why not have that?
7:49
Because sexuality is such a huge part of people's lives, whether
7:52
it's positive, negative, traumatic, beautiful.
7:55
Right. Oh, we need more of us in this
7:57
space for sure. I don't want to be greedy, but I
7:59
have two. So first of all, I love the fact
8:03
that more folks are going on retreats like sexual Wellness
8:06
retreats, couples retreats that are focused on sex and
8:09
relationship coaching and expansion of their own
8:13
knowledge, their toolkit. And I think that is really cool.
8:15
I keep seeing more and more like couples tourism and sexual
8:18
health tourism. I love that.
8:19
And then the other part is the fact that every year it seems
8:21
like more and more folks are getting used to owning sex toys,
8:25
having them in their repertoire of products.
8:28
That's like Lube sex toys. It's almost as common as having
8:31
a knife set in your house, right?
8:33
A lot of people still think it's the problem, right?
8:34
But I think we are agreeing that we're seeing that there's more
8:37
movement towards. It's a bonus, right?
8:40
Like pleasure. Is pleasure?
8:41
Yes, exactly. Pleasure is pleasure.
8:43
Give me that vibrator. Yeah, give me that butt plug.
8:47
I love it. All right?
8:48
Now, if you could teach the world one key insight about this
8:52
field, about like sexual health in general, and it's something
8:56
that could really move the needle, what would it be?
8:58
OK, so sexual health, health isn't just about abstinence or
9:02
disease or dysfunction. It's about well-being.
9:06
It's about pleasure, connection, your authentic expression of who
9:10
you are as a sexual being. And it's a fundamental part of
9:14
all of us. It really is.
9:16
Maybe not every single person, but on some scale it's going to
9:19
enter into your life whether you like it or not.
9:22
And it's a beautiful thing to learn more about.
9:24
And it's not about prevention or shame.
9:28
It's about empowerment and joy and how we move the needle
9:32
through our own sexual journeys and learning more tools to help
9:37
others as well, right? To help yourself and then to
9:39
help others, especially in this realm of therapy and podcasting.
9:42
And I agree entirely. And also when I became a
9:45
certified sex educator in 2008 with spicysfsi.org, I think they
9:49
still have the switch line, like the call line where you can be
9:52
like, hey, so I have this weird bump of mine penis sitting down.
9:55
But they were doing trainings. And so I loved when I learned
9:57
about the slogan, all consensual sex is good sex.
10:00
And I know that there's ways we can expand on that even more,
10:03
right? If we can embody whether we're
10:05
like the healer or the person selling the sex toy, you know,
10:08
in the sex shop or whatever, as long as it's consensual,
10:11
whatever you're into, even if I don't understand it, I'm not
10:14
into it. I might even feel some ick
10:16
factor around it. I'm going to support this.
10:18
I'm not going to make the face. All these things matter.
10:20
Your body language, it can create shame so quickly.
10:23
So if something's not consensual, yes, that's
10:25
something to lookout for. But if you hear something from
10:27
someone that you're like, Oh my God, you know, that existed.
10:30
And that sounds like disturbing or disgusting to me.
10:32
But it sounds safe, ish, right? How can you help that person
10:37
feel safe in that part of themselves?
10:39
That is true and real. And I think that we are
10:42
definitely moving in that direction.
10:44
The more people, especially people with more authority, the
10:46
therapist, etcetera, that are doing that, the better.
10:49
Yeah. Absolutely agree.
10:50
Now I think through your podcast you all are educating like
10:53
millions of people, OK? Like every time someone listens
10:56
to an episode they're learning something about sex education.
10:59
So two of you remember what your sex education was like.
11:03
Oh yeah. Absolutely.
11:05
It involved a banana and a condom and that was it.
11:08
And then a video of someone having a baby.
11:11
And it did not look fun and it. Really hard.
11:14
And I was like, OK, Oh, and then.
11:16
Textbooks with all the studs. That's our joke about.
11:19
STI learn about a lot of STI's at all.
11:21
It was abstinence was the key. And if you're going to choose to
11:26
do that thing, that bad thing that it was presented as, then
11:29
here's the banana, here's the condom and awkward for everyone
11:33
because as I said in the book, I was made fun of her asking a
11:36
question. I was like, I think it was
11:37
eighth grade. I think I asked what if it
11:39
breaks the condom? And that's.
11:41
A great question. And I I got made fun of by like
11:44
the back row of boys and they were like.
11:46
Meanwhile they've all experienced condoms breaking and
11:48
now they're like shit, I should have listened the answer right?
11:51
I think I also asked if you could get an St.
11:53
STD at the time from a toilet seat at some point, but that was
11:55
after class so a good question. And then I learned not to ask
11:58
questions because you were going to get tormented afterward.
12:01
So I grew up in Santa Cruz, CA and that's where we the April 9
12:05
now reside. So a little more progressive.
12:07
My upbringing was a little more progressive about sexuality.
12:09
It wasn't like a shameful thing. It wasn't like you need to wait
12:12
to marriage at home. I got with my mom at least
12:16
information about sex isn't shameful.
12:18
If you want to have sex with, you know, with penis owners and
12:20
you want to get a birth control, you can come to me.
12:22
It's safe, just didn't get the pleasure education.
12:24
And then the same thing applies to the school system.
12:27
I got all the comprehensive sex Ed stuff, but none of it was
12:30
about pleasure, right? I know of all the bad things,
12:33
but like, I don't really understand how to, to access my
12:36
own body, how to, to pleasure other bodies.
12:38
And I really wish that that could have been a part of it.
12:41
So I definitely feel really grateful that I was taught sex
12:44
is not a shameful thing and that I can reach out for support or
12:49
education if or when I want to. But I just really had to work
12:52
hard to learned through like a lot of trial and error and a lot
12:54
of error error error error of the pleasure part.
12:57
Absolutely. I think, you know, unfortunately
12:59
we've come to accept as a society like you're lucky if you
13:02
get any kind of sex Ed in school.
13:04
Also, consent and boundaries and safety very much need the
13:08
pleasure conversation, right? So like we're talking about all
13:11
these things without the pleasure part.
13:13
We are leaving out this big part of it where like now it's almost
13:17
like it's a separate thing, but they're also related.
13:20
How do we now learn about and experience pleasure with
13:23
boundaries, with consent, with safety, with prevention of STI's
13:26
in pregnancy? But they're like, like, Oh no,
13:29
we can't talk about them together.
13:30
One thing that I think I've realized at least in California,
13:34
some of the youth, because I have 3 stepdaughters and now
13:36
they're 30s and mid 20s and then she's 21, the youngest.
13:40
And over the years, I've realized that there's a lot more
13:42
sexual autonomy, especially for young women than there was, at
13:45
least in California. And they advocate more for
13:48
themselves than I think I was ever taught to do when I was
13:51
younger. And I think that is carrying
13:52
over maybe with the exposure of social media.
13:55
But I always advocated for them to never apologize with your
13:59
body. I was in my own way and always
14:01
would be like, oh, well, they took me out to dinner.
14:03
I owe them something, right? There's more advocation or
14:06
advocating for people's own pleasure and their own bodies.
14:10
And I think that is progress. I want to highlight that because
14:13
I know there's a long way to go. But I do think we've come at
14:15
least a little bit further than when I was 21.
14:18
Yay for that. OK, the positive silver lining.
14:23
Right, exactly. We have come a long way.
14:25
We're making progress every day. Every person that gets certified
14:29
as an educator, counselor, coach, therapist, every person
14:32
who works in this space is just bringing us closer to where we
14:35
actually need to be. Are you curious about sexology?
14:39
Do you want to further integrate sexology into your work or your
14:43
life? Well friends, then we've got
14:45
something just for you. It's called the Sexology
14:48
Practice Guide and it walks you through the ways this shows up
14:51
in your work in your life and guides you through working
14:55
within your scope, incorporating intimacy and sexual health into
14:59
your work without starting over. Download this short practical
15:03
guide at sexologylab.com/guide. That's Sexology lab.com/guide,
15:11
and while you're here, make sure to subscribe and share.
15:14
And now back to the show. So I noticed you said something
15:18
earlier about Sex without shame and is that where your podcast
15:22
title came from? Well, we love iterations, first
15:24
of all, so the sex shop I own my mom is pure pleasure like the,
15:28
you know, the PP. And then in shameless sex, we
15:30
were so surprised that the URL was not taken, but we sat down,
15:33
we really talked like obviously what we wanted to create was
15:36
about sex in relationships. And then the main focus was to
15:39
originally we had said eradicate shame.
15:41
And then we're like, wait, no, shame is a teacher.
15:44
It's not about never experiencing shame, getting rid
15:47
of it forever and being clean and clear.
15:50
It's how to have the least amount of shame, full sex,
15:55
right? Or when the shame comes up, how
15:57
do we teach people the tools on how to work with that so that
16:00
they can have the most pleasure and connected and enjoyable
16:03
experiences with people? So I like to think that we are
16:05
teaching people and how to work with their shame to have better
16:09
sex, whether it's with themselves or their partners or
16:11
just their perspective on sexuality in general.
16:13
And guess what? It will still come up.
16:15
We both have Shameless sex. Now, there's been times where
16:19
there's like shame, you go deeper and, and you ask
16:22
yourself, where did this come from?
16:23
And then you work with yourself and with your partner and with
16:26
the tools that hopefully you have access to, right?
16:28
No matter who you are and seeking.
16:30
We talk about how it's important to talk with therapists and I
16:34
don't think we'll ever be able to totally eradicate shame.
16:36
But what would the world look like if it was more shameless,
16:40
especially in the world of sexuality?
16:42
At Shaw, we train many, many people who are wanting to work
16:45
in sexual health. So what's the most important
16:48
thing professionals need to know about educating the public about
16:52
sexual health? I will start with this, and I
16:54
already hinted at this before when people ask me like, what's
16:57
the kind of the main thing that you do, whether it's as a coach
16:59
or podcasters, the biggest thing is giving people permission to
17:03
be themselves again, abiding by consent and boundaries.
17:06
And I said this before too, April and I learned this working
17:08
in the retail store at Pure Pleasure when we had the brick
17:11
and mortar for 12 years. We learned how important it is
17:13
when that person comes and they're all scared and they're
17:16
shaky and they're like, he was like, oh, and we're like, oh,
17:18
can I help you find this? No, no, no.
17:20
But they're looking in the Lube section or the anal section.
17:23
The way that we speak, we meaning therapists, educators,
17:28
everyone, the tone, your facial expressions, your body language,
17:30
the words you say, the way that we approach people in what can
17:35
be a really, really scary conversation or discovery.
17:40
All of it matters. But I'm not saying get in your
17:42
head. Be like, Oh no.
17:43
What's really helpful? And that I had to do for myself.
17:45
And that was part of the training.
17:47
I'm sure Shaw does it too. Where, what is it called?
17:49
You have all the clips on the screen and you focus on the one
17:52
maybe the most challenging. The SAR, the sexuality, the SAR
17:56
assessment, the. SAR yes and so through that when
18:00
I did that with spicy hanging out with the clip that involves
18:04
some fecal play stuff and feeling my feelings around it
18:09
and then like through other practices learned that I am
18:11
fully capable even if I don't want to do this.
18:14
I think it's whatever gross disgusted it.
18:16
I don't have to let other people know that I think that and bring
18:20
my bullshit on them with that right?
18:23
I think that's just one of the biggest things would be checking
18:25
in with yourselves about what are your areas that are
18:29
challenging or that you might have judgment.
18:32
And you can even do like a mirror practice to look at
18:34
yourself in the mirrors. You're watching the thing and
18:36
then trying to pretend like you're talking to a client about
18:38
it. What does that look like?
18:39
Does it feel safe? Does it help that person feel
18:41
like, OK, I'm still safe here? Like even if they're not into
18:44
it, I'm not being judged. I still belong.
18:46
I think that permission is a really, really, really important
18:49
piece that a lot of people have not received.
18:51
I love that and that sort of a component to what I want to put
18:55
out there. The most important thing, in my
18:56
opinion, is that you all are not just a distributor of
18:59
information, but you are a healer of shame.
19:02
And the work is really creating that safety and permission that
19:04
Amy spoke to. It's not just about the
19:06
technical knowledge that you're gaining from your trainings.
19:09
It's also about holding a compassionate space and allowing
19:13
someone, your client, to finally ask the question that they've
19:16
been to afraid to ask their entire lives.
19:18
Or setting the stage where they can think about that question to
19:21
themselves and then learn from all of that content that's
19:25
available to educate themselves on how to move through and not
19:29
even overcome all the time, but to work with that shame.
19:32
Make it sexy. You can make shame sexy too.
19:35
You can. And I think that's where the
19:37
real transformation begins. But it starts with becoming this
19:39
healer of shame and not just a distributor of information.
19:43
So well said. All right, now I want to talk to
19:46
our next generation, so I'm thinking of our Gen.
19:49
Z's, our alphas. What message would you leave for
19:53
them? To the next generation, your
19:55
pleasure is not a sidebar to your health, it is a central
20:00
piece of your health and your curiosity, consent, your
20:05
communication, those are your greatest tools.
20:09
And it matters right now because owning your story is the most
20:12
radical act of self love that you can do.
20:14
It really is, and I'm speaking from personal.
20:17
Experience and also from knowing in my journey how much shame
20:22
really did impact not only my sexual health, but my life and
20:26
making pleasure a fundamental piece of my life has been so
20:31
transformational. And it's created deeper
20:34
connection, healthier relationships for me with
20:37
friends, with family, with lovers.
20:39
And I think that individuals who advocate for themselves and
20:42
respect others, we really can see this unified world, if you
20:46
will. And I hope and I'm really
20:49
confident that the next generation, knowing that
20:51
pleasure is such an important aspect of your health, it's
20:54
going to change the world. And this is the time.
20:56
The time is now. So your well-being matters.
20:59
We're so lucky to live in this time with all the podcasts,
21:02
aren't you Shameless sex, but listen to Shamus sex or the
21:04
books. Even if you live in the middle
21:06
of nowhere, as long as you can get some Wi-Fi, you can get some
21:09
sex education. So I agree with that and then
21:11
also with just what April S saying to not everyone, but a
21:14
lot of people are taking supplements and like doing
21:16
certain things, exercising, eating healthy as a preventative
21:19
measure for living a healthy life, right?
21:23
And sexuality and sexual self-care is a part of that.
21:26
So whether that means hiring someone to work with to help you
21:31
along this way, and it doesn't mean you're broken.
21:33
There's still this thing and don't wait for it to be broken.
21:36
By the way, therapists would be like, OK, great.
21:39
Yeah, I'm going to make a lot of money off of you.
21:40
We're going to see each other for a long time.
21:42
If you actually start like when things start to get a little
21:44
confusing, like you start to do that work then and now, it will
21:47
make things so much easier. And then just the last one I
21:50
will add to that, that's connected but separate.
21:52
It's just the compliance issue is been around forever and I
21:55
don't know if that will ever go away.
21:57
But for anyone who is a teacher, healer, therapist, to inspire or
22:03
educate your clients to put as much energy into not having
22:07
compliant sexual engagements because that in itself creates
22:10
mini traumas. It changes everything your
22:12
body's response to your brain's thoughts about your worthiness
22:16
to the individuals when you notice you're doing the thing
22:19
and you're no or like a maybe like I'm not really into this
22:21
like advocate for that. Because when you push through
22:24
that, it's not just in that moment, it hangs out with you
22:26
later too. Oh, I.
22:28
Absolutely agree. It's so important.
22:30
All right, so before we go, have you both watched?
22:33
Nobody wants this. Yep.
22:35
Did you find yourselves relating at all to the Sisters Who
22:38
podcast? Kind of, yes.
22:41
Have you been asked this before? Yes, yes, yes, I get it all the
22:45
time. I think Amy does.
22:46
I watch, someone told me to watch it and then I watched it
22:49
and then I told April to watch it.
22:50
And I was like, it's kind of like us.
22:52
And, and so my take on it was, I mean, awesome, playful,
22:56
wonderful. Because it's mainstream TV, like
22:58
downplaying a lot of the conversations on shameless sex.
23:02
We talk about sunshine and rainbows in Oregon, cousins and
23:05
pleasure and how to eat a pussy like a boss and all these
23:08
things. So we get in depth of that.
23:09
We also talk about hard, hard, hard, sad, scary pain stuff too.
23:14
And we have very skilled educators, therapists, you guess
23:17
doing that. And so I thought it was great.
23:19
I think he was painting a picture a little more of
23:21
sunshine or rainbows and like dodging away, moving away from
23:25
the fact that like a big part of the conversation is not just the
23:28
heavies, but also the nasties and raunchies, right?
23:31
Like, let's talk about like some fetishes that you've never heard
23:34
of that push your buttons but it's someone's fetish and make
23:37
that sound and feel safe. I commend Netflix.
23:40
Great start. Yeah, start.
23:41
But let's go. Let's go deeper.
23:42
Let's get a little bit more shameless.
23:44
Yeah, yeah. Let's get a little more wild.
23:46
But But good job. And I absolutely love Kristen
23:48
Bell. Yeah.
23:48
It's a great start to normalizing these conversations.
23:52
That's what it's all about. And entertainment wise, I gave
23:54
it a high score. Yeah.
23:55
And education wise, you know. Yeah, 60.5.
23:58
Yeah, with five, but I like a 6.5.
24:01
And also I will say, I also liked though, that that show was
24:04
showing, right? Like go and listen to podcasts
24:08
to learn more, right? We learn more experientially as
24:12
opposed to just listening, but you can learn, practice, and
24:16
then continue to learn more. So I liked that that show was
24:18
normalizing that part of it as well.
24:20
Love your feedback, love your take on it.
24:23
So we all want to go a little bit deeper.
24:25
We all want to learn more education.
24:27
So here we are. All right.
24:29
Well, thanks so much for being with me today.
24:31
I'm looking forward to seeing you again soon.
24:33
Thanks everybody for watching. Bye.
24:38
Don't forget to subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, or
24:43
wherever you listen. Links are in the description
24:46
below.