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Mark Belling Podcast #73: A local fake conservative school doubles down on rejecting Turning Point, a Brewers fan wrecks her life by taking a Dodger fan’s bait and makes a racially inappropriate comment (everything in the world is on YouTube; adapt!) and President Trump isn’t a threat to democracy. He IS democracy. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: I'm going to open with a story here, and there's
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Speaker 2: a reason I'm opening with this. The story has to
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Speaker 2: do with a federal indictment that came down grand jury issued.
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Speaker 2: Original investigation began last week into a guy from Kenosha
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Speaker 2: who's facing serious charges of threatening to kill an FBI agent.
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Speaker 2: He made other threats against other federal agents as well. No,
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to briefly go into the detail of
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Speaker 2: Kenosha County, I which I think was the first to
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Speaker 2: originally report of the story. I quote are now unsealed
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Speaker 2: federal indictment. It's apparently several days old, was unsealed I
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Speaker 2: think yesterday or the day before. The man's name is
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Speaker 2: Andrew Warren Stanton. He's from Kenosha, thirty eight. Now again
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Speaker 2: that's a fairly common name, so if you know somebody
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Speaker 2: with that name, this guy's thirty eight and He's from Kenosha.
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Speaker 2: He's a United States military veteran. According to the report
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Speaker 2: on js online and the report in Kenosha County I,
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Speaker 2: He's accused of threatening to murder a federal officer. He
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Speaker 2: also produced a series of TikTok videos calling for violence
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Speaker 2: against federal agents and in particular, ICE agents. I'll quote
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Speaker 2: from the Kenosha County Eye report. The FBI's Joined Terrorism
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Speaker 2: Task Force began investigating Stanton after the Wisconsin Statewide Intelligence
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Speaker 2: Center flagged disturbing social media activity on his TikTok account.
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Speaker 2: In one August video, Stanton allegedly said, we're not getting
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Speaker 2: through to them with using our words. That's never going
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Speaker 2: to happen. You have to use bullets, and another he declared,
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Speaker 2: I think we should be offing federal agents. He went
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Speaker 2: on to specifically name by name a specific federal agent.
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Speaker 2: It's in the indictment, but I'm not going to mention
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Speaker 2: it here. So what this was is he went on
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Speaker 2: and on and on for some period of time calling
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Speaker 2: for murdering federal agents. And if we've learned anything of recent,
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Speaker 2: people are willing to do this type of thing. It's
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Speaker 2: a crime to do it, and he's obviously indicted. I
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Speaker 2: We have another like Karen story, this one from Milwaukee.
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Speaker 2: I was at both of the first two Brewer games
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Speaker 2: in For those of you listening to this, I should
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Speaker 2: mention that we're doing this podcast before game three, a
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Speaker 2: few hours before Game three autunless nothing to say about
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Speaker 2: what's happened in those games because occurring after we do this.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, game two, in particular, in Milwaukee, the first
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Speaker 2: pitch thrown to a Brewer was to Jackson Curio, who
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Speaker 2: hit a home run, so of course everybody goes crazy.
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Speaker 2: First pitch. It was the only run the Brewers score
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Speaker 2: in the entire game. In any event, were like crazy. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know, shortly after that, the Dodger scored and then
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Speaker 2: they took the lead. There weren't lots of Dodger fans
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Speaker 2: at the stadium. There's always fans of the other team
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Speaker 2: that are there, but it's nothing a Cubs game. But
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Speaker 2: there were Dodger fans that were there, and there was
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Speaker 2: an incident and we know about it because it's captured
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Speaker 2: on video of a Dodger fan. He was sort of
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Speaker 2: sitting in the area like behind home plate, slightly to
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Speaker 2: the Brewer's side, and he's videoing himself getting on all
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Speaker 2: the Brewer fans. Why you're so quiet now, Why you're
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Speaker 2: so quiet now? Other's okay the Brewer fans, but nuts
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Speaker 2: when they scored. Now, they like me and everybody else,
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Speaker 2: are sitting on our hands because nothing's happening, and nothing's happening,
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Speaker 2: and this Dodger fan starts getting on people. Now, first
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Speaker 2: of all, this takes a lot of balls. He's a
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Speaker 2: Dodger fan, he's an American family field. Almost everybody a
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Speaker 2: on him is a Brewer fan and he's taunting him.
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Speaker 2: This stuff happens, and it happens. Its sports, and there's
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Speaker 2: trash talking that goes on at Paul games. It happens.
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Speaker 2: It's I think, always dangerous to do a lot of
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Speaker 2: trash talking when you're in the visit, when you're a
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Speaker 2: visitor in the other team's home stadium. And there are
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Speaker 2: some stadiums in which we've seen somebody will we'll clack you.
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Speaker 2: We've seen real fights breakout. This wasn't a fight instead
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Speaker 2: a woman, And I don't know if he was targeting
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Speaker 2: her with the taunts, because we only know where his
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Speaker 2: video starts. We can assume it was his cell phone.
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Speaker 2: If it wasn't, it was somebody standing right next to him,
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Speaker 2: and she gets into an exchange with him. Part of
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Speaker 2: the exchange was a pretty good shot back. Now, I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna use language here because there's no way to act
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Speaker 2: her other point on the story without hearing the language.
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Speaker 2: So for those of you don't want to hear it,
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Speaker 2: that's my disclaimer. But she first said he's drinking a
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Speaker 2: pussy drink, which I think is a pretty good shot.
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing it was one of those like hard lemonade things.
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Speaker 2: It might be one of those like colored drinks that
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Speaker 2: the that the tall blonde girl always walks around with.
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Speaker 2: But my guess is that it's not a beer. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty good shot. All right, he's
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Speaker 2: barking back. The man is obviously Latino, and she makes
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Speaker 2: a comment about somebody called ice. We have the exchange here.
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Speaker 2: There's going to be an F bomb in it, and
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Speaker 2: we are going to play it because I think it's
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Speaker 2: important to hear the entire context of everything that both
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Speaker 2: people said. You have it ready, Paul. All right. Now again,
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Speaker 2: it's a little bit hard to hear clearly, but I
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Speaker 2: think you can make it out here. It is.
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Speaker 3: Everybody quiet, What is this? I'm sorry, Paul eyes us this.
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Speaker 3: We're veteran, any girl, We're veteran.
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Speaker 2: To Wards, I said, tell.
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Speaker 3: Me good luck, good luck, good luck. Calais callom callum
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Speaker 3: fucking idiot?
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Speaker 2: All right, that's it, she said, somebody call ies. He
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Speaker 2: called her an F bombing idiot. In addition to back
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Speaker 2: and forth, he sounds loaded. But I don't know if
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Speaker 2: he was or he wasn't. Maybe that's just how he sounded.
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Speaker 2: Undeniably the guy was the one who provoked Also undeniably,
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Speaker 2: the woman said to a Latino, call Ice. Every news report.
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Speaker 2: And for those of you not aware, this story is global.
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Speaker 2: You heard about the phillies, Karen. I don't think they
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Speaker 2: ever identified the phillies, Karen, the one who went and
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Speaker 2: stole the This woman got identified right away. She works
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Speaker 2: for Manpower and Milwaukee. Manpower fired her and issued a
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Speaker 2: statement disassociating themselves basically from her entire existence as a
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Speaker 2: human being. She resigned as a member of the board
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Speaker 2: of Make a Wish. This is going to follow her forever, forever.
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Speaker 2: Her comment was, somebody call Ice. First of all, Ice
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Speaker 2: is the most hot button word in the English language
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Speaker 2: right now. Ice, immigration and customs enforcement is just reviled
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Speaker 2: by everyone on the American left. Obviously her reference somebody
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Speaker 2: called Ice. The guy is Latino, So that's what she said,
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Speaker 2: somebody call Ies. She doesn't know if he's legal or illegal.
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Speaker 2: He's legal, That was the comment. I have a number
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Speaker 2: of things to say about this. First, the thing that
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Speaker 2: I've done, this made this point a million times, so
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Speaker 2: this is a million in one. It remains beyond me
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Speaker 2: that people do not understand that our entire world has changed.
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Speaker 2: That guy's phone may as well have set been a
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Speaker 2: giant camera that's set on the side YouTube. Anything that
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Speaker 2: happens is now showing up on YouTube. Secondly, the guys
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Speaker 2: videoing this, that means his goal was to get a reaction.
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Speaker 2: Why else is he videoing himself doing the taunting unless
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Speaker 2: he's trying to get a reaction. I don't know what
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Speaker 2: it is. It's all these police videos and everything else.
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Speaker 2: Do you not understand you're being recorded? There have been
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Speaker 2: people public officials and assistant attorney general in a state,
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Speaker 2: you know, somebody arrested after a drunken thing and an
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Speaker 2: exchange of the people right and left are having their
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Speaker 2: careers ruined because of things that they do in public
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Speaker 2: because it gets plastered up on YouTube. It doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: to me to have changed. Maybe it has changed people's behavior,
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Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem as though it has. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: it never dawned on this woman that when she said
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Speaker 2: somebody call Ice, the whole planet would within thirty six
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Speaker 2: hours see her saying somebody call Ice. So is at
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Speaker 2: least the caution to people in my audience, do understand
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Speaker 2: that if you're in public there's a chance you're being recorded,
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Speaker 2: and in this case, the guy's holding his phone, and
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Speaker 2: don't think for a moment it won't show up on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: If a cop is pulling you over and you're lippy
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Speaker 2: at all, there's a good chance that the CoP's going
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Speaker 2: to tip off somebody to make an open records request,
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Speaker 2: that it's going to show up on one of these utes.
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Speaker 2: It's just the way it is. The counter to that,
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Speaker 2: my guess is that the rest of this woman's life
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Speaker 2: has probably been I mean, she's a volunteer's a board
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Speaker 2: member at Make a Wish. She's there at a brewer game.
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Speaker 2: This guy's taunting her. She makes one little crack. She
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Speaker 2: didn't pure drunk, she didn't appear to be. She just
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Speaker 2: appeared to be somebody kind of fed up with this
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Speaker 2: goof of a guy that was taunting her and trying
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Speaker 2: to get this reaction. Now, the guy's doing interviews with
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Speaker 2: everybody under the sun. The Los Angeles media has made
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Speaker 2: a huge thing of it. He's all murdering himself up
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Speaker 2: right and left. He set out to get this reaction.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was his entire goal to get somebody
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Speaker 2: to say something. I don't know that he was offended
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Speaker 2: by the saying ice because what he got out of
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Speaker 2: this was his video. If she just if she paused, slapped,
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Speaker 2: said she was trapping away the phone, she was trying
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Speaker 2: to slap away the phone. In other words, he got
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Speaker 2: exactly what he wanted. He forgot. I'm gonna go into
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Speaker 2: this game in Milwaukee and I'm gonna hack off some
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Speaker 2: Broer fan and I'm just gonna try and see if
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Speaker 2: they know something that's over the top enough that I
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Speaker 2: can have the viral video and my moment in the sun.
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Speaker 2: And she fell for it. It seems to me as
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Speaker 2: somebody who himself a quarter century ago got in trouble
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Speaker 2: for making a comment that is dealing in this whole
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Speaker 2: general area with illegals. That for this woman, who is
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Speaker 2: not a public figure, she's not in anything to have
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Speaker 2: her life entirely savaged over this one comment is wrong.
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Speaker 2: As for her employer or manpower, I have no idea
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Speaker 2: what her entire work history is. But they want to
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Speaker 2: be on the right side of political correctness here, so
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Speaker 2: they not only can or but they kind of publicly do.
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Speaker 2: So it doesn't reflect our values. This that and the
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Speaker 2: other thing. I just wonder how many. Manpower is a
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Speaker 2: huge company. They're like in every country in the world.
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Speaker 2: They have to have employees who've done things that are
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Speaker 2: worse than this. You know, Manpower has had their own
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Speaker 2: issues on the H one B visa type of issue. Now,
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Speaker 2: I did a story that I hope you do not forget.
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Speaker 2: Paul will have forgotten because Paul has zero memory. The
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Speaker 2: part of his brain that contains memory is just long
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Speaker 2: since evaporated. Pul says, unless it's like drumming, you don't
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Speaker 2: remember what was the story I just did four minutes ago.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I even said, remember this story. The
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Speaker 2: story was about the guy from Kenosha who threatened to
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Speaker 2: kill the ice agents. You say, oh yeah, Ay. The
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Speaker 2: fact of the better is you had already forgotten that story,
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Speaker 2: which is why I tell people now, I do realize
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Speaker 2: that everyone in the audience is the only person who's
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Speaker 2: possible that has a worse memory than Paul is me.
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Speaker 2: I'm right there, but I think I might surpass him.
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Speaker 2: Although I left my phone at home today and spend
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Speaker 2: an hour and a half looking for it before I
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Speaker 2: finally just had somebody go in and go into my
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Speaker 2: place and look and see if the phone is in there.
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Speaker 2: I'm getting worse and worse and worse myself. You and
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Speaker 2: I are just going to be great in the home together,
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Speaker 2: babbling away. You're gonna think that you're Thomas Jefferson, and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to think that I'm Julius Caesar, except we
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Speaker 2: won't be able to tell his tales because we won't
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Speaker 2: remember anything that Thomas Jefferson or Julius Caesar anyway. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: the guy from Kenosha, I don't know this, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know where he works. I don't know if he
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Speaker 2: has a job. He's facing charges, and the FEDS are
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Speaker 2: at last I checked holding him. I wonder if he's
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Speaker 2: been fired. Look at the number of people who do
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Speaker 2: all manner of awful things in Milwaukee that don't get fired.
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Speaker 2: Sixteen brunk drivings, domestic violence. We have people in Milwaukee
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Speaker 2: who do terrible things over and over and over again
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Speaker 2: that don't even get arrested, that the DA doesn't charge.
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Speaker 2: The first guy threatened to kill FBI and ICE agents
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Speaker 2: won by name. I think I don't know if he
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Speaker 2: hasn't been fired. I don't know, because who knows anything
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Speaker 2: about him. I'm merely saying the people that are caught
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Speaker 2: on video doing something, particularly if it has anything to
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Speaker 2: do with race, and again particularly if it involves words
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Speaker 2: rather than actions. I honestly wonder if she smacked him
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Speaker 2: in the face rather than say that, would she I
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Speaker 2: think she'd be in less trouble. I honestly do. I
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Speaker 2: think she would have arrested it she smacked him in
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Speaker 2: a face, but I don't think they would have fired
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Speaker 2: her for that. I'm not defending what she said. She is,
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Speaker 2: you know, throw ice out because he's Latino. I get it.
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Speaker 2: On the other hand, there was extreme provocation by her,
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Speaker 2: and he's hurling enough vomb at her. Admittedly this was
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Speaker 2: after she did the thing that she did. It seems
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Speaker 2: to me that the humiliation that's going to follow her
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Speaker 2: and how this is going to dog her, she's getting
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Speaker 2: a greater punishment than the offense. Given that this type
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Speaker 2: of punishment that she's getting global humiliation on YouTube, and
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Speaker 2: you know, anybody who searches their name on Google. The
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Speaker 2: counter to that is this, at least for the rest
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Speaker 2: of you, needs to be a teaching moment. There's all
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Speaker 2: sorts of things you can do when people trash talk back,
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Speaker 2: but there's certain things you can't do.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the Philly Karen thing was worse. This woman
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Speaker 2: said something that she shouldn't have said that had a
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Speaker 2: racial connotation to it because he's Latino, raw under extreme
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Speaker 2: provocation by a guy that's being a total jackass. But
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Speaker 2: the reality is is that I'm not going to get
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Speaker 2: in trouble for calling him a total jackass. But she's
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Speaker 2: going to get in trouble because she said the thing
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Speaker 2: about it. And it's just the way it is. Paul says,
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Speaker 2: all these Karen's looking they do all seem to look
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Speaker 2: they do all seem to look alike. I mean, part
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Speaker 2: of it is there are certain fashion trends you just
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Speaker 2: take and you know, the short kind of blonde hair
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Speaker 2: kind of look is just it's it is all over
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Speaker 2: the place and so on. And Paul said, she looks
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Speaker 2: like all the other Karens. Well, that might be an
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Speaker 2: even crueler thing to do than But again, like Karen
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Speaker 2: in the Philadelphia think was not provoked. This woman was
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Speaker 2: being provoked by a guy who was a jerk. And
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Speaker 2: you know, if you've Benet's and you know, I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to say that nobody Wisconsin does the same thing.
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Speaker 2: The Packers play out in Arizona on Sunday, and the
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Speaker 2: stadium is going to be filled with Packer fans and
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Speaker 2: always is out there in Phoenix, and probably some Packer
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Speaker 2: fans are going to be jerks about the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: And people get hacked off. And you take the bak
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Speaker 2: and bait and get involved in a fight, you can
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Speaker 2: get it into some trouble. But if you say something
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Speaker 2: that has a racial connotation to it, that's the sin
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Speaker 2: that you just can't get past. If someone captures it
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Speaker 2: on video, that's the other thing. If he isn't videoing it,
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Speaker 2: he knows exactly what he's doing. I didn't say you
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Speaker 2: who knows nothing's going to come of it. It's because
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Speaker 2: it was slapped on YouTube and people see it. There
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Speaker 2: are certain times in which the obnoxious saying it is
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Speaker 2: what it is or appropriate end. This is one of
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Speaker 2: those cases where it's appropriate to say it is what
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Speaker 2: it is. We have some degree of progress on something
18:27
Speaker 2: I've been advocating for a long time. The problem of
18:32
Speaker 2: reckless driving in Milwaukee is one that liberals simply do
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Speaker 2: not understand or don't know what to do about it
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Speaker 2: because they're just stupid. Liberals. You can't fix the problem
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Speaker 2: by issuing more citations. You can't fix the problem by
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Speaker 2: putting bumpbut curves in the middle of the street. You
18:51
Speaker 2: can't fix the problem by putting in red light cameras.
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Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of the people that are driving like
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Speaker 2: this do not have driver's licenses, and many of them
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Speaker 2: have unregistered vehicles. What I have said forever is the
19:06
Speaker 2: only way you stop this is to tow the vehicles.
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Speaker 2: The to loots in Milwaukee charge approximately thirty nine trillion
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Speaker 2: dollars to release your views. Actually in the just under
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Speaker 2: five hundred. It's way up there, which is greater than
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Speaker 2: most fines are. Furthermore, the people who don't have a
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Speaker 2: license have zero written sentive to pay their fine because
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Speaker 2: there's no punishment in Milwaukee for not paying your fines.
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Speaker 2: The Milwaukee County jail will not accept someone on a
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Speaker 2: traffic ward, So if you have unpaid tickets, the jail
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Speaker 2: won't accept you, meaning you don't you just don't have
19:42
Speaker 2: to pay. But if your car is gone. The only
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Speaker 2: people that weren't aren't affected by that are people who
19:48
Speaker 2: are driving a stolen car. There is a proposal advancing
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Speaker 2: in the legislature to now tow vehicles that are being
19:58
Speaker 2: driven recklessly. My concern is is that evers is going
20:02
Speaker 2: to be to it. But notwithstanding that, it doesn't go
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Speaker 2: far enough. It shouldn't just be driven recklessly. There are
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Speaker 2: some states in which you are driving without a license,
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Speaker 2: it is a mandatory toe. There are states in which
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Speaker 2: if you're driving drunk, it's a mandatory toe. And most states,
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Speaker 2: if the car is unregistered, it's a mandatory toe. It's
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Speaker 2: kind of thing to have any of that as being mandatory.
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Speaker 2: It's discretionary. If you start towing vehicles of anyone without
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Speaker 2: a license, which is most of the people driving recklessly
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Speaker 2: and any vehicle that is unregistered, I believe, as I've
20:45
Speaker 2: said in the past, solved the problem. Now in this instance,
20:48
Speaker 2: it allows them to tow if the individual is charged
20:52
Speaker 2: with reckless driving, which is a degree of this. The
20:55
Speaker 2: problem is most of the running of the red lights
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Speaker 2: never as charged as reckless and so on. Hopefully ever
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Speaker 2: signs it, but then even then it then requires the
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Speaker 2: Milwaukee Police Department, another police agency, used to make it
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Speaker 2: a matter of policy to do it. The fact that
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Speaker 2: you have the ability to do it doesn't mean that
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Speaker 2: they will do it and until you start hauling these
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Speaker 2: cars away and forcing these people to somehow come up
21:20
Speaker 2: with the four hundred dollars. And by the way, they
21:22
Speaker 2: aren't going to do it fifteen times unless they are
21:24
Speaker 2: a drug dealer or something of which they have unlimited
21:26
Speaker 2: income of towing the cars that would work. There is
21:29
Speaker 2: a current law that allows towing unlimited circumstances. This is
21:32
Speaker 2: how little it is used. I believe it's been implemented
21:34
Speaker 2: once in the city of Milwaukee. Now, some of you
21:44
Speaker 2: don't know why the Democrats don't intend to do anything
21:46
Speaker 2: about the government shutdown this week? Do you know why
21:52
Speaker 2: you do not? You don't even know what's going on
21:55
Speaker 2: on Saturday. You don't have no clue. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how many riots there are going to be. Saturday is
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Speaker 2: No King's Day. They're going to have these things all
22:08
Speaker 2: over the United States. They'll be marches, some might I
22:10
Speaker 2: don't know if they'll end up throwing rocks or whatever.
22:13
Speaker 2: No King's Day, which is they don't really know exactly
22:16
Speaker 2: what it is that they're bitching about Trump, but the
22:17
Speaker 2: idea somehow is that Trump is a king. I guess,
22:20
Speaker 2: you know, bringing peace to the Middle East is something
22:23
Speaker 2: they don't want their king to do or whatever. No
22:25
Speaker 2: kings day. So the Democrats are under this overwhelming pressure
22:30
Speaker 2: from their left to not cave at all. From the
22:33
Speaker 2: perspective of the Republicans, the Democrats are being hurt worse
22:37
Speaker 2: by checks that are being delayed for federal employees, so forth,
22:40
Speaker 2: and so on. But the Democrats have not changed their demands,
22:45
Speaker 2: and among them is that we have to once again
22:50
Speaker 2: provide free health care for illegal immigrants. And the Republicans
22:55
Speaker 2: aren't going to bite on that. Speaker Mike Johnson has
22:59
Speaker 2: a spectacular quote on this. I want to read it.
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Speaker 2: We won't sell out the long term security and future
23:07
Speaker 2: of the United States so that Chuck Schumer can prevent
23:11
Speaker 2: a primary challenge from his left wing. We will not
23:14
Speaker 2: be a part of that nonsense. For those of you unaware,
23:18
Speaker 2: Schumer is the Senate Democratic leader, it is very likely
23:22
Speaker 2: that he's going to face a Democratic Party challenge next
23:25
Speaker 2: year in the primary. It's likely to be AOC. If
23:29
Speaker 2: AOC wants to be at some point of the future president,
23:33
Speaker 2: she has to prove electability. And the way you prove
23:36
Speaker 2: electability is to be elected senator from the second or
23:39
Speaker 2: third whatever it is now in population largest state in
23:41
Speaker 2: the United States. So if you take down the scalp
23:44
Speaker 2: of Schumer, that puts her right there with Newsom in
23:48
Speaker 2: terms of the Democratic Party pecking outer. We all know
23:52
Speaker 2: that AOC is to the left of Schumer. Schumer is
23:55
Speaker 2: trying to protect himself against his left flank. So as
23:57
Speaker 2: the Democratic leader, he's not going to do any thing
24:01
Speaker 2: to fashion an end to the shutdown because the radicals
24:04
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party want the shutdown because they simply
24:08
Speaker 2: can't abide the fact that Trump is president. So as
24:11
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson saying, from the perspective of the Republican's, okay, fine,
24:14
Speaker 2: you actually chilled it over that we're not going to
24:17
Speaker 2: cave into you forever and ever and ever. The Democrats
24:24
Speaker 2: have demanded. They made the same demand when they were
24:28
Speaker 2: in charge and the Republicans had to pass the bills
24:31
Speaker 2: of the Congress. Give us a clean bill. Give us
24:33
Speaker 2: a clean bill. We believe there should be a clean bill.
24:35
Speaker 2: Don't add any new policy. So the Republicans passed the
24:38
Speaker 2: clean bill. It just continues funding of everything as it is,
24:41
Speaker 2: and the Democrats won't go along with it. And the
24:43
Speaker 2: reason they don't want to go along with it is
24:46
Speaker 2: they're trying to come up with some possible way to
24:49
Speaker 2: fight with Trump over something. Now time for me to
24:57
Speaker 2: explain something. It is kind of remarkable to me that
25:01
Speaker 2: for all these years there are people who still don't
25:03
Speaker 2: understand Trump. I mean, I think Trump's the easiest guy
25:07
Speaker 2: in the world to understand. And I summarized it years ago.
25:11
Speaker 2: I came up with this, He's his own good cop
25:13
Speaker 2: bad cop. People have flummoxed over what's going on with China,
25:19
Speaker 2: and I swear, if you listen to Trump, you'd think
25:20
Speaker 2: that Trump was schizophrenic. He's talking on both sides of
25:24
Speaker 2: his vote. They're about to have this trade discussion with
25:27
Speaker 2: g and the next thing you know, g imposes a
25:29
Speaker 2: one hundred percent tariff on rare earth minimals. The problem
25:32
Speaker 2: with this is is that almost all rare earth minimals
25:34
Speaker 2: come from China. You can't have AI, you can't have
25:37
Speaker 2: anything without rare earth minimals. So Trump cancels the visit
25:43
Speaker 2: and slaps a massive tariff of about one hundred percent
25:45
Speaker 2: on everything from China, says, I don't know what's going
25:49
Speaker 2: on over there, and then like eight hours later, I
25:54
Speaker 2: got a great relationship with g So you've got that
26:01
Speaker 2: and the markets are reacting. Do we have a trade
26:02
Speaker 2: war with China or not? Or is Trump caving into China?
26:05
Speaker 2: What's he doing? And again, I just I'm sorry. I
26:09
Speaker 2: don't know how you can't understand what he's doing. This
26:14
Speaker 2: has been Trump's m O forever. I'll use another analogy
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Speaker 2: for you. Do you remember Bobby Knight or is this
26:20
Speaker 2: now all too dated for some of you that aren't
26:22
Speaker 2: old enough. You remember Bobby Knight? Yeah? See that People
26:26
Speaker 2: bring up the chair. It's like it was the only
26:28
Speaker 2: thing he ever did. Bobby Knight baited referees. You want
26:38
Speaker 2: a good YouTube reference, check out the Bobby Knight Ted
26:41
Speaker 2: Valentine day. I was at the Miami Duke basketball game
26:44
Speaker 2: in Miami this one. Ted Valentine was officiating. My jaw dropped.
26:48
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's still refereeing. I mean, Bobby Knight
26:51
Speaker 2: and Ted Valentine had their run in about thirty five
26:54
Speaker 2: or forty years. I can't I don't know. Ted Valentine
26:56
Speaker 2: must be one hundred and seventy five years old. He's
26:58
Speaker 2: the most famous college basketball referee ever and always the
27:01
Speaker 2: most controversial anyway, Ted Valentine would be the Bobby Knight
27:05
Speaker 2: of referees, equally hot head and equally stuppern and the
27:08
Speaker 2: two of them went at it, and it was just
27:09
Speaker 2: anyway Bobby Knight worked the referees. He would berate them
27:15
Speaker 2: and intimidate them in an attempt to get him to
27:18
Speaker 2: give them the next call. That's all Trump does. The difference, though,
27:24
Speaker 2: is the one thing Bobby Knight lacked in this is
27:26
Speaker 2: that he didn't have the charm to do. The good
27:29
Speaker 2: cop Knight would have been more effective, and a lot
27:34
Speaker 2: of referees didn't want to give bobbyknit a call. Ever,
27:36
Speaker 2: sometimes he did indeed intimidate them, but if you know,
27:39
Speaker 2: push came to shove, they were going to screw him
27:41
Speaker 2: because he was such a dank to them. Trump does both.
27:47
Speaker 2: He kisses the rear end of these tyrants and then
27:49
Speaker 2: in the next breath rips on them. He plays them
27:52
Speaker 2: both ways. It's his style and it's incredibly effective. Look
27:59
Speaker 2: what this I did. He got Net and Yahoo and
28:03
Speaker 2: Harmas to both Buckle by both sweet talking Net and
28:08
Speaker 2: Yahoo and then kicking him in the udo. What when
28:13
Speaker 2: he continued to bomb Gaza after Trump told him not to,
28:17
Speaker 2: and he did the same thing with Hamas. Likewise, you
28:22
Speaker 2: don't hear Trump complaining at all. Then Hamas is still
28:25
Speaker 2: out there on the street killing people, by the way,
28:27
Speaker 2: and you don't hear anybody on the left objecting to this.
28:30
Speaker 2: The people that Hamas is killing are Palestidians. There are
28:34
Speaker 2: Palestinian militias, maybe better known as just gangs that see
28:38
Speaker 2: this vacuum. Hamas is so beaten up that they're looking
28:41
Speaker 2: to take over neighborhoods in Gaza, and Hamas doesn't want
28:44
Speaker 2: that to happen, so they're grabbing these people and they're
28:46
Speaker 2: shooting him in the head in the street. It's just
28:49
Speaker 2: Palestinians killing Palestidians. It's Hamas trying to keep control of
28:53
Speaker 2: Gaza by going after the non Hamas residence of Gaza.
28:59
Speaker 2: As far as Trump concerned, this is not an international matter.
29:01
Speaker 2: It's a matter of you know, what the people of
29:03
Speaker 2: Gaza want. And the people of Gaza dug their own
29:06
Speaker 2: grave when they empowered the monster from Hamas to rule
29:09
Speaker 2: their area. And if they don't like it, they can
29:11
Speaker 2: join these gangs and try to kill the leaders of
29:13
Speaker 2: Hamas and get a different type of leadership in because
29:15
Speaker 2: Hamas is never going to call another election there and
29:18
Speaker 2: any of it. My point is is that Trump's not
29:20
Speaker 2: gonna bitch about that because it's not Israel doing. It's
29:22
Speaker 2: not an inertial thing, it's an internal Gaza thing. The
29:24
Speaker 2: larger thing is is Israel killing members of Hamasa. They're
29:30
Speaker 2: going in and bomba. No they're not, and have the
29:33
Speaker 2: hostage has been released, Yes, we'll it hold. I don't know.
29:36
Speaker 2: What I do know is that Trump, in this style
29:38
Speaker 2: that he has, has managed to work this to the
29:40
Speaker 2: level of success. And it just it kind of stuns
29:43
Speaker 2: me that people never get what his mo O is,
29:47
Speaker 2: even though it's just so obvious what his m O is.
29:53
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Markdelling podcast. This is the Mark
29:59
Speaker 2: Belling podcast Time Front Update. There's been this story that's
30:04
Speaker 2: developed over the last several days over the refusal of
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Speaker 2: a local charter school, and we have to keep explaining
30:12
Speaker 2: a charter school is a public school. It's not run
30:16
Speaker 2: by public school systems, but it is a public school.
30:20
Speaker 2: It's a government school. They have to follow all the
30:22
Speaker 2: rules of public schools follow and all of their actions
30:25
Speaker 2: have to be public. They're subject to the open records
30:27
Speaker 2: law of the open meetings law and so on, but
30:29
Speaker 2: they're not run by local school boards. This particular school
30:33
Speaker 2: was chartered in Waukashaw County by the La Courre Tribe
30:37
Speaker 2: of Northern Wisconsin. The reauthorization of the charter was done
30:42
Speaker 2: by Waukashaw County, so Waukeshaw County Executive Paul Farrell is
30:47
Speaker 2: essentially the charterer now currently of the school. He's the
30:51
Speaker 2: government body. They have their own board. It's called the
30:54
Speaker 2: Lake Country Classical Academy. From the beginning, they affiliated with
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Speaker 2: Hillsdale College, which is a very prominent conservative college in
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Speaker 2: Michigan that has developed a K through twelve curriculum that
31:05
Speaker 2: basically says, we're everything that the stink bomb public schools aren't.
31:12
Speaker 2: The board of directors is filled with Scott Walker types
31:15
Speaker 2: and so on, and they've marketed themselves as a conservative institution.
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Speaker 2: A student, and by the way, she's going places anybody
31:27
Speaker 2: willing to stand up to the leadership of her own school,
31:30
Speaker 2: particularly when that leadership of that school is arrogant and unaccountable.
31:39
Speaker 2: You get my credit there. It's real easy for a
31:41
Speaker 2: lefty to stand up because everybody cheer leads her a
31:43
Speaker 2: lot her name is Katie Smiley. She wants to start
31:47
Speaker 2: a Turning Point chapter at her school. If you haven't
31:50
Speaker 2: been paying any of dif first of all, to have
31:52
Speaker 2: to explain to people the Turning Point is Charlie Kirk's group.
31:55
Speaker 2: I just did so, therefore I don't have to do
31:57
Speaker 2: it again. Since Early's assassination, young people across the country
32:03
Speaker 2: have been just hell bent to see that his movement
32:07
Speaker 2: doesn't die with him. Turning Point had lots of chapters
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Speaker 2: at schools and colleges before his assassination, but it has
32:14
Speaker 2: more than double sense. And Katie Smiley tried to get
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Speaker 2: a Turning Point chapter at Lake Country Classical Academy and
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Speaker 2: has been obstructed. They rejected her application. The principal of
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Speaker 2: the school is a woman named Margaret Hagador. She is
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Speaker 2: the wife of Brian Hagaror in State Supreme Court Justice.
32:34
Speaker 2: There's a board of directors. As I said at the school,
32:39
Speaker 2: Turning Point drew attention to the fact that the charter
32:42
Speaker 2: was rejected. There has been massive criticism now across the
32:47
Speaker 2: country nationally at this school. There has been some attempt
32:56
Speaker 2: by some members of the board to try to facilitate
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Speaker 2: a solution to this but as we speak right now,
33:04
Speaker 2: it appears to me that they're getting not nowhere, but
33:07
Speaker 2: virtually nowhere. The principal of the Cool Schools announced what
33:11
Speaker 2: she said was a compromise. She said, we're going to
33:13
Speaker 2: have a civics club. Well, whoopdie do. It's not a
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Speaker 2: turning point chapter, and the civics club would share many
33:20
Speaker 2: of the same goals as turning point Again, whoopdie do.
33:26
Speaker 2: A civics club administered by the school is not the
33:28
Speaker 2: same as a turning point chapter, which embodies the ideals
33:32
Speaker 2: that Charlie Kirk and his organization stand for. They had
33:36
Speaker 2: a meeting of the board of directors last night. It
33:38
Speaker 2: was covered by something Wisconsin right Now dot Com was
33:41
Speaker 2: there and they reported on it, and they reported that
33:43
Speaker 2: a number of the members of the board and the principal,
33:46
Speaker 2: Margaret hagendor and basically lashed out at the people who
33:48
Speaker 2: have been criticizing them. In particular, they said that we
33:53
Speaker 2: need more communication, not conflict. Well, I want to comment
33:58
Speaker 2: on that for a moment. That school has not responded
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Speaker 2: prior to five to twelve today to me at all.
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Speaker 2: If you want communication, start answering questions beyond that you
34:14
Speaker 2: are a public school, you are accountable in the same
34:17
Speaker 2: way that the Elmbrook School District is accountable. You're a
34:20
Speaker 2: chartered school, but a public school. Just because you say
34:28
Speaker 2: you have a rule, does it mean that others don't
34:31
Speaker 2: have a right to criticize that rule. Secondly, when your
34:36
Speaker 2: school is established by sucking up to conservatives for money
34:39
Speaker 2: and getting endorsements of people like me, and then turning
34:42
Speaker 2: around and telling us to shut up and leave us
34:45
Speaker 2: alone as we drift off into moderate education, stinkfill. There's
34:49
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with us reacting and giving you blowback. Don't
34:54
Speaker 2: ask for your money. If you intend to be one
34:56
Speaker 2: more leaning left kind of private type of school, well
35:02
Speaker 2: you masquerade as something else. As I've said from the beginning,
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Speaker 2: there is a way to work through this. There always is, Sir,
35:11
Speaker 2: Are you saying that we shouldn't follow the rules. That's
35:13
Speaker 2: not a conservative thing. I've said my entire career that
35:16
Speaker 2: following the rules is never your number one priority. Doing
35:19
Speaker 2: the right thing is the number one priority. If the
35:21
Speaker 2: rule is stupid, work your way through the rule. Learn
35:24
Speaker 2: from the NFL on this. They change the rules thirty
35:26
Speaker 2: eight times during the season. NASCAR changes the rules in
35:29
Speaker 2: the middle of a race. The easiest thing to do
35:32
Speaker 2: here is, as I've said, tell the kids they can
35:35
Speaker 2: have a Turning Point chapter. They can use a school
35:38
Speaker 2: room after school to do it. They can even use
35:43
Speaker 2: an email. But it's independent. It's your thing, but you
35:48
Speaker 2: simply use it. The example I used on an earlier
35:50
Speaker 2: podcast is like sometimes you'll see a boy Scout troup
35:53
Speaker 2: meeting a school or other kinds of groups. In other words,
35:57
Speaker 2: allow them to work within the confines of the school
35:59
Speaker 2: without being an official part of the school apparatus. Be it,
36:03
Speaker 2: but be an organization that works within the school. It's semantics.
36:08
Speaker 2: It would make everybody happy. It would allow Turning Point
36:12
Speaker 2: that gets to call itself Turning Point have a chapter
36:15
Speaker 2: at that school without being part of the school. It's
36:19
Speaker 2: a way of nitpicking yourself to a solution. But they
36:23
Speaker 2: haven't done that. And the reason that they don't want
36:24
Speaker 2: to do that is I think there are some people
36:28
Speaker 2: there who don't like the whole idea of Turning Point
36:30
Speaker 2: and the fact that it's conservative. Again, you set yourself
36:33
Speaker 2: up by affiliating with Hillsdale to be conservative. Margaret Hagendoron
36:40
Speaker 2: did get back to me via email this afternoon saying
36:43
Speaker 2: she doesn't understand why I'm saying she didn't communicate, And
36:45
Speaker 2: I said, well, I left you a voice fail message
36:47
Speaker 2: days ago, you never responded, and she said, I sent
36:49
Speaker 2: you a statement. That's true. She sent out the same
36:51
Speaker 2: statement that they sent to parents. It doesn't answer my questions.
36:54
Speaker 2: I had numerous questions. So they're the board meeting last
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Speaker 2: night and then so like many people are very happy
37:02
Speaker 2: about it. Got a quote here for this is on
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Speaker 2: Wisconsin right now from Katie Smile. He's a student. She
37:09
Speaker 2: and her mother have been adamantly fighting for this, and
37:12
Speaker 2: they are our heroes here. They're standing up to the
37:15
Speaker 2: bullies within the school and some within the schools, and
37:18
Speaker 2: they keep saying, this is doing great damage to our school. Well,
37:21
Speaker 2: who's doing the great damage. You're the ones that said
37:23
Speaker 2: turning point can't come in, which pisses off a lot
37:27
Speaker 2: of us. We have a right to be hacked off
37:30
Speaker 2: of you do something. If you did something, if you
37:32
Speaker 2: decided to paint the school pink, we have a right
37:34
Speaker 2: to be hacked off about that. You never seen a
37:38
Speaker 2: pink school? If you ever have you ever seen a
37:41
Speaker 2: pink school? There might be one. There might be one
37:44
Speaker 2: somewhere of it. You don't see many pink structures that
37:47
Speaker 2: really of anything. There's just all I just wasn't a
37:51
Speaker 2: John Mellencamp little pink houses?
37:52
Speaker 4: Was it?
37:53
Speaker 3: That?
37:53
Speaker 2: Him going on about that? Well? Where does he claim
37:55
Speaker 2: these pink coases actually are? Is Indiana? They have pink houses?
37:59
Speaker 4: There?
37:59
Speaker 2: Is that what he's talking about in there? He apparently
38:02
Speaker 2: has become a really cranky liberal he stormed off stage recently.
38:06
Speaker 2: I mean, he must be one of these guys where
38:08
Speaker 2: the pot just is wearing off on him and he's
38:10
Speaker 2: in pain or something. Yeah, I mean he's just like
38:13
Speaker 2: a crabby, mean old man. I digress, but I've spent
38:18
Speaker 2: a career digressing. As I said on a quote a
38:23
Speaker 2: couple of portions from Wisconsin right now story, I'll get
38:26
Speaker 2: to Katie Smiley's comment. This is from Wisconsin right now.
38:30
Speaker 2: They quote Brett Galashwski. He's the head of Turning Points
38:33
Speaker 2: Chapters Organization. With my ask is Charlie's ask. The board
38:37
Speaker 2: can make this happen and see Charlie's dream come through.
38:40
Speaker 2: It's not a lot to ask, added Galashowski, a seventeen
38:44
Speaker 2: year old stuent Nam. Katie Smiley wants to create the
38:46
Speaker 2: Turning Point Club at the conservative school, Principal Margaret Hagutt
38:49
Speaker 2: and the wife of State Supreme Court Justice Brian Hagut,
38:51
Speaker 2: has rejected that request that announced she is creating a
38:54
Speaker 2: generic civics club instead. Katie told Wisconsin Right Now that
38:59
Speaker 2: she wants to start a Turning Point Club to help
39:02
Speaker 2: her school thrive because she loves it so much. So,
39:04
Speaker 2: in other words, this is somebody who likes her school
39:06
Speaker 2: and realizes, unlike Hagadorn, that the school benefits from having
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Speaker 2: something like this, so I can clearly identify itself with
39:14
Speaker 2: the principles of Charlie Kirk and not the principles of
39:18
Speaker 2: all the crap that's screwing up education in America, which,
39:21
Speaker 2: by the way, is the thing that makes Hillsdale itself
39:24
Speaker 2: stand out. And they're the ones that claim they're Hillsdale affiliated.
39:28
Speaker 2: The board it included a draft letter in its meeting
39:30
Speaker 2: packet that would inform parents its policies were being revised
39:33
Speaker 2: and would likely accommodate a Turning Point Club after Hugh
39:36
Speaker 2: and cry resulted, but the board on Wednesday night scrap
39:39
Speaker 2: that draft letter, and the board appears to be going
39:41
Speaker 2: along with the Civics club, but what that will be
39:45
Speaker 2: is very confusing to smiling her mom and other parents
39:47
Speaker 2: who spoke after the meeting. Now, I spoke to Ellen Noak,
39:50
Speaker 2: this is me no and not the story. I spoke
39:51
Speaker 2: to Ellanoak, a board member, and she told me on Monday,
39:54
Speaker 2: give us time and until Monday Wednesday, and we should
39:57
Speaker 2: be able to work this out. They're not working it out.
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Speaker 2: Isn't going to be a Turning Point chapter affiliated independently
40:02
Speaker 2: or not. There's instead going to be a Civics club
40:04
Speaker 2: because this school and some of my guests, the lefty
40:08
Speaker 2: parents who are sending their kids in there, because the
40:10
Speaker 2: lefty parents realize the public schools also suck, don't want
40:14
Speaker 2: anything to do with Charlie Kirk or Turning Point. So yeah,
40:18
Speaker 2: if there's damage downe to the school, I say, good
40:22
Speaker 2: fix the school. And if the problem is is that
40:25
Speaker 2: you've got Haggard Ori in here who isn't willing to
40:29
Speaker 2: do what many of us and many of the supporters
40:33
Speaker 2: want to do, sobay it. And as for the board
40:37
Speaker 2: of directors, stop expecting people like me to tell people
40:41
Speaker 2: to support the school, and stop expecting people like me
40:43
Speaker 2: to talk about the incredible movement of private and charter
40:46
Speaker 2: schools we're seeing in southeastern Wisconsin that have formed and
40:49
Speaker 2: rebellion to the general crap the public schools are producing.
40:55
Speaker 2: The meeting was basically a ran session by Principal Margaret
40:58
Speaker 2: Hangout and again, this is Wisconsin right now. I was
41:00
Speaker 2: not there. The meeting is, however, on YouTube and some
41:03
Speaker 2: board members against critics, at least the part that dealt
41:05
Speaker 2: with the club issue. Some of the board members and
41:07
Speaker 2: the principle went on a wholesale rant saying they have
41:09
Speaker 2: been mistreated, lied about, and criticized. All right, if this
41:13
Speaker 2: is a reference to me, I want to know one
41:15
Speaker 2: thing I said that was a lie. Again, I'm working
41:19
Speaker 2: with a lack of information because no one from that
41:22
Speaker 2: board has forthcomingly come out and laid out and answered questions.
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Speaker 2: I have hit them with a big open records request
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Speaker 2: that I'm sure they're going to try to weasel around
41:33
Speaker 2: and not have to deal with, none of which would
41:35
Speaker 2: have been necessary if they would have been transparent in
41:37
Speaker 2: the first place. About the whole thing. If your whole
41:40
Speaker 2: thing is we don't want to have anything to do
41:41
Speaker 2: with Charlie Kirk and turning point because we want control
41:44
Speaker 2: of things that we don't want any say. So it admitted,
41:47
Speaker 2: and we'll all know that your school is just another
41:49
Speaker 2: piece of crab school out there that doesn't get consider
41:52
Speaker 2: conservative ideology or the principles of Turning Point to be
41:54
Speaker 2: worth anything. Which is I suspect what the whole problem
41:58
Speaker 2: here is, but they don't want to say. And if
42:01
Speaker 2: it isn't the whole problem here, establish a chapter and
42:04
Speaker 2: figure out a way to do it. They basically planted
42:09
Speaker 2: themselves as the victims of critics. This is again Jessic
42:12
Speaker 2: McBride of Wisconsin Right Now reporting without giving specifics on
42:15
Speaker 2: the supposed misinformation. They called for people to have conversations
42:19
Speaker 2: rather than communicating online. Katie's quest to start the Turning
42:23
Speaker 2: Point Club has gone viral, with many people offering her
42:27
Speaker 2: support on social media and criticize the school's decision, although
42:30
Speaker 2: there is some disagreement among parents about the direction the
42:33
Speaker 2: school should take. Well, if that's the case, let the
42:35
Speaker 2: parents who want to have a lefty school, who have
42:38
Speaker 2: their lefty school, but take Hillsdale's name off of it,
42:40
Speaker 2: and stop trying to apply to people that you're conservative
42:42
Speaker 2: by putting Hillsdale's name on it. You are screaming we
42:45
Speaker 2: are conservative school. If you're not, then stop killing everybody
42:50
Speaker 2: you are. However, Hagadorn did not ask answer two requests
42:56
Speaker 2: for comment by email and voicemail, at least to Wisconsin
42:59
Speaker 2: right now before our stories ran and Melissa Smiley, the
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Speaker 2: mom of Katie Smiley, the teen who wants to start
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Speaker 2: the Turning Point club at the school, alleges that Margaret
43:07
Speaker 2: Falseley told Fox News that she had spoken to Katie
43:09
Speaker 2: and her mom about the club. They said she did not.
43:12
Speaker 2: Haggard Wold alleged that she had been the victim of
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Speaker 2: a public media campaign to attack me personally, lie about me,
43:18
Speaker 2: and destroy my reputation. Again, if that's a reference to
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Speaker 2: me or anything that I've said, I want to know
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Speaker 2: what it was. What is it? She has every right
43:29
Speaker 2: to run a school and say no to Turning Point,
43:32
Speaker 2: and anybody who doesn't like that has every right to
43:34
Speaker 2: point out that you called yourself conservative when you started it,
43:37
Speaker 2: and there are zillions of lefty schools across the country
43:42
Speaker 2: that have allowed Turning Point. Thirdly, you're a public school.
43:45
Speaker 2: You may be a charter school, correct, it's a hybrid,
43:48
Speaker 2: but your public school anyway, we have rules against outside organizations.
43:53
Speaker 2: I know where they have those rules. It's to stop
43:54
Speaker 2: every kind of lefty LGBTQ plus club at all of that.
43:58
Speaker 2: So you figure out a way to work within the
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Speaker 2: confines of this. It's just all I've suggested. Another board
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Speaker 2: member called the criticism disturbing and disappointing, and official said
44:11
Speaker 2: school leaders were tried and convicted. By the way, the
44:14
Speaker 2: only board member that spoke to me was Illadoak. None
44:18
Speaker 2: others even reached out to me. So I don't know
44:23
Speaker 2: what their problem is other than they don't think that
44:27
Speaker 2: they should be subject to any kind of criticism, even
44:30
Speaker 2: though anybody with half a brain or a sense of
44:33
Speaker 2: public relations would have understood that there is a mission
44:36
Speaker 2: among many conservative young people in America to keep Charlie
44:39
Speaker 2: Kirk's vision alive, and they trying to snuff it out
44:43
Speaker 2: at this school, a school that purports to be conservative.
44:45
Speaker 2: If you don't think that's going to create a backlash,
44:48
Speaker 2: it means you're blinded by your own leftyism. I did,
44:52
Speaker 2: by the way, speak via email to Scott Walker, former governor.
44:56
Speaker 2: He is listed as an honorary member of the board.
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Speaker 2: As said allowed and in print that there should be
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Speaker 2: a chapter for Turning Point. There just that there should
45:06
Speaker 2: be a chapter for his organization, Young America's the Young
45:10
Speaker 2: America's Foundation, which is another conservative organization at these schools
45:14
Speaker 2: if they want them. No, he's an honorary board member.
45:18
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has any particular poll here.
45:20
Speaker 2: I think it would help if he and other conservatives
45:23
Speaker 2: slam this school even harder so they buckle. We all
45:27
Speaker 2: know the kind of pressure that comes to the left,
45:30
Speaker 2: and I think we can kind of suspect the pressure
45:32
Speaker 2: and where it is coming from here and why it
45:34
Speaker 2: is that they don't want to do this. As for
45:37
Speaker 2: Hillsdale itself, if Hillsdale is going to charter schools and
45:40
Speaker 2: then say that those schools can't have anything to do
45:42
Speaker 2: with Turning Point, then Hillsdale needs to reconsider its mission
45:47
Speaker 2: as well. The students got far less mention on the
45:50
Speaker 2: draft letter. The board decided to bypass that item on
45:52
Speaker 2: the agenda because the situation has changed, and scrapped it
45:55
Speaker 2: for the aforementioned but ill divined vague Civics club. Can
45:58
Speaker 2: you imagine this civics club? Can you just imagine the
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Speaker 2: civics club that they have? Can you just imagine the
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Speaker 2: civics club turning point isn't a civics club. It's an
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Speaker 2: advocacy organization. And that's the thing they have a problem
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Speaker 2: with because of what they advocate. And that's the entire
46:18
Speaker 2: problem here. If you are uncomfortable with a conservative organization
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Speaker 2: as an advocacy group having a club or a chapter
46:26
Speaker 2: at the school, it's because you're not conservative. So don't
46:30
Speaker 2: say you are, and just admit you're not. Admit you're.
46:34
Speaker 2: One more thing. I keep going on about this conservative
46:36
Speaker 2: drift of organizations, and this just screams out to me
46:40
Speaker 2: as being among them. I want to get to the
46:45
Speaker 2: quote from your one parent. Andrea Hayes slammed the administration.
46:56
Speaker 2: She said she took her kids out of the school
46:58
Speaker 2: even though she loves its mission and wants to thrive.
47:00
Speaker 2: She accused Margaret that's Margaret Hagadorn of disbanding a previous
47:04
Speaker 2: civics club that was popular with students and parents without
47:06
Speaker 2: proper communication. She said the past civics club was ended
47:10
Speaker 2: abruptly by administration without ever, without even basic respect or
47:14
Speaker 2: any conversation. She said other in house clubs were systematically
47:17
Speaker 2: disbanded and alleged that there is a pattern of dismissive
47:20
Speaker 2: or controlling behavior that is on full repeat right now.
47:24
Speaker 2: She said. It is not one issue, but rather a
47:26
Speaker 2: pattern of control at all costs that extends back years,
47:29
Speaker 2: not the past five days. Another parent precis Zundel I
47:34
Speaker 2: hope I proNT that correctly. Where's concerns about declines in
47:37
Speaker 2: enrollment and limited extracurricular offerings. He said, some parents are
47:41
Speaker 2: talking about whether they will keep their kids here. It's
47:44
Speaker 2: not because they don't believe in the school's mission. They
47:46
Speaker 2: fervently do. They're worried about extracurricular and leadership opportunities for kids.
47:51
Speaker 2: They don't want kids to have to choose between college
47:53
Speaker 2: opportunities and a classical education. Both parents and others afterwards
47:58
Speaker 2: of the Turning Point Club is not the entire issue.
48:00
Speaker 2: It's not about the past five days that the board
48:02
Speaker 2: and Margaret Hagarin focused on, but rather systemic pattern of
48:06
Speaker 2: long standing concerns about the leadership of a school they love.
48:09
Speaker 2: They also express confusion afterwards about what the new Civics
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Speaker 2: Club is supposed to entail and to what degree, if any,
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Speaker 2: it will follow Turning Point materials or mission. Afterwards, Katie
48:20
Speaker 2: Smiley that's the seventeen year old girl that I think
48:23
Speaker 2: is heroic Curan standing up, don't you? We're all for
48:28
Speaker 2: We had a couple of others. This goes back a
48:30
Speaker 2: long ways of young people from Maria stood up in things,
48:33
Speaker 2: and now I see them being interviewed on Megan Kelly's podcast,
48:36
Speaker 2: running organizations and so on. I take full credit for this.
48:42
Speaker 2: I think I've helped them part backbone in them, don't you.
48:45
Speaker 2: I am part of it exactly. Yeah, that's well turning
48:48
Speaker 2: punt to be part of the Civics to her anyway.
48:52
Speaker 2: Katie Smiley told wr in that Wisconsin Right Now that
48:54
Speaker 2: she believes keeping Charlie Kirk in the club will have
48:58
Speaker 2: more meaning and emotional impact on students than just the
49:01
Speaker 2: generic Civics club. I think that's why they're against it.
49:04
Speaker 2: She stressed that she loves her school and is just
49:07
Speaker 2: trying to build it. She will be featured on Fox
49:10
Speaker 2: and Friends tomorrow, but said if administrators are going to
49:13
Speaker 2: die on this hill, she will try to work within
49:16
Speaker 2: they're required. You see what they've managed to do. Now
49:20
Speaker 2: they've managed to put this kid on Fox and Friends
49:22
Speaker 2: and have all of this. You think somebody would teach
49:25
Speaker 2: them a little bit of crisis manage. It wouldn't you.
49:28
Speaker 2: If anybody's ended up damaging it's them. Let them have
49:33
Speaker 2: their damn club and just figure out a way to
49:35
Speaker 2: do it within the context of not having to allow
49:37
Speaker 2: every other stupid lefty club to come in. If you
49:40
Speaker 2: can't figure out how to do that, don't start at
49:42
Speaker 2: school and claim your conservative and I part of this
49:45
Speaker 2: goes back to the whole notion of making this a
49:47
Speaker 2: charter school and not simply an outright private school. There
49:50
Speaker 2: are advantages financially to being a charter school, and one
49:55
Speaker 2: of the downsides of it for them is it also
49:58
Speaker 2: now means that they're subject to scrutiny because a charter
50:00
Speaker 2: school is a government operation, even though it may be
50:03
Speaker 2: privately run. It is a quasi government operation, and they're
50:06
Speaker 2: accountable to anybody who wants to shoot off their big mouth,
50:12
Speaker 2: including me with my big mouth. I want to move
50:17
Speaker 2: to another topic here quickly. By the way, we have
50:19
Speaker 2: a quote of the day that I'm going to share.
50:22
Speaker 2: Let me get to this first. Barton swam Wall Street Journal,
50:25
Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journalist not they're barely conservative anymore. On
50:28
Speaker 2: the editorial page and they're not pro Trump, but occasionally
50:32
Speaker 2: some of the people who don't much like Trump will
50:34
Speaker 2: write a piece that at least explains it. And Barton
50:37
Speaker 2: Swain's point here is, for all this lefty stuff that
50:40
Speaker 2: Trump is an attack on democracy. In fact, Trump personifies democracy.
50:47
Speaker 2: I don't think you can find a more pro democracy
50:49
Speaker 2: figure in America than Donald Trump. A. He's premised his
50:53
Speaker 2: policies on things that people want. B. He was elected
50:56
Speaker 2: by a majority vote of the popular vote and the
51:00
Speaker 2: Electoral College. So anyway, Barton Swain rights, you could make
51:04
Speaker 2: a reasonable You could make a reasonable case. The democrats
51:07
Speaker 2: present woes stem from the misuse of a single word.
51:10
Speaker 2: Their manic, unthinking resistance to everything President Trump says or
51:15
Speaker 2: does has its origins in their failure to know what
51:18
Speaker 2: they mean by democracy. In the fall of twenty fifteen,
51:21
Speaker 2: democrats in the media settled on the claim that Trump's
51:24
Speaker 2: unlikely candidacy was an attack on democracy or a threat
51:27
Speaker 2: to democracy. The phrase fizzled after he won with a
51:30
Speaker 2: plurality of the popular vote in twenty twenty four, but
51:33
Speaker 2: Trump's bitterest enemies have never managed to doubt the postulate
51:39
Speaker 2: that he menaces the American form of government that might
51:42
Speaker 2: have spared themselves a decade of angst, or at least
51:45
Speaker 2: found a better way to oppose him if they had
51:48
Speaker 2: recalled that America's founders disliked democracy, just that That's one
51:53
Speaker 2: of the things people just did not understand about the
51:55
Speaker 2: founding fathers. They were not fans of democracy. They created
51:58
Speaker 2: a republic. We have morphed into a republic whose leaders
52:02
Speaker 2: are chosen via democracy. People give debinton, are we republic
52:08
Speaker 2: or a democracy? We're republic. We're republic, though that is
52:11
Speaker 2: governed via democracy. Back to the point, they might have
52:14
Speaker 2: spared themselves a decative answers to a republic too given
52:19
Speaker 2: to democracy they thought would allow big personalities to leverage
52:24
Speaker 2: the public's irascibility against established order. James Madison memorably concluded
52:29
Speaker 2: in Federalists Number ten that democracies ever have ever been
52:33
Speaker 2: spectacles of turbulence and contention. The American polity long ago
52:38
Speaker 2: decided to take that worry less seriously than the founders did.
52:42
Speaker 2: Popular elections, not machine bosses, and legislatures choose party nominees
52:47
Speaker 2: and US senators. Progressives of an earlier gave us these
52:51
Speaker 2: and other democratic reforms when their political descendants, today's liberals
52:56
Speaker 2: and progressives gnashed their teeth over Trump. The unknowingly can
53:01
Speaker 2: see that the founders had a point. His point here
53:04
Speaker 2: is that these lefties they're not defending democracy. They're opposing democracy.
53:10
Speaker 2: They're opposing the fact that Trump was democratically elected. So
53:14
Speaker 2: they went they're using the wrong word here because democracy
53:17
Speaker 2: sounds popular. But they're clearly trying to object to the
53:20
Speaker 2: notion of democracy, and object to the notion that the
53:24
Speaker 2: public gets to decide things and not experts. This at
53:26
Speaker 2: anyway back to the peace. A decade after his entry
53:30
Speaker 2: into politics, Trump's enemies still make no attempt to distinguish
53:33
Speaker 2: between his own popularity or lack of it, and that
53:37
Speaker 2: of the objectives to which he applies his energy. Most Americans,
53:41
Speaker 2: the number hovers around fifty five percent, disapprove of Trump
53:44
Speaker 2: and don't like the way he goes about things. It
53:47
Speaker 2: doesn't follow that majorities think he's wrong about those things.
53:51
Speaker 2: The opposite is nearer the truth. On nearly all his
53:54
Speaker 2: big ticket items, the president's attitude fully accords with that
53:57
Speaker 2: of the public. Trump's war on elite universities has occasioned
54:01
Speaker 2: cogent criticisms, some made by this newspaper's editorial board. But
54:06
Speaker 2: ignore Trump and his tactics and ask yourself how many
54:09
Speaker 2: Americans think the country's fanciest schools are an unmitigated blessing
54:14
Speaker 2: and don't deserve some rough treatment for turning generations of
54:17
Speaker 2: young minds into oatmeal. By the way, this goes back,
54:21
Speaker 2: I think to the whole point of Lake Countie Classical,
54:25
Speaker 2: Lake Country Classical Academy and the attempt to not be
54:29
Speaker 2: that type of an institution, and the type of institution
54:32
Speaker 2: that instead Foster's thought and dialogue, the kind the turning
54:36
Speaker 2: point was pressing for rather than the kind of top
54:38
Speaker 2: down and this is a Civics class that I'm going
54:40
Speaker 2: to give you, according to the Gospel of Margaret Hagador. Anyway,
54:44
Speaker 2: back to the piece, the compact his administration wants universities
54:48
Speaker 2: to sign would get an eager thumbs up from I
54:50
Speaker 2: would guess ninety percent of the public. This document, if agreed,
54:56
Speaker 2: would obligate universities to foreswear in consideration of rap and sex,
55:00
Speaker 2: and admissions cap the number of foreign students they accept,
55:03
Speaker 2: freeze tuition for five years, use standardized test scores at admissions,
55:07
Speaker 2: and foster viewpoint diversity problems may lurk in the details,
55:10
Speaker 2: but the aims are controversial only to people need to
55:13
Speaker 2: get out, only to people who need to get out
55:16
Speaker 2: more that ice or immigration to customs enforcement pushes the
55:20
Speaker 2: bounds of legal gality in its no knock roundups is
55:23
Speaker 2: pretty obvious, but Democrats align themselves with a tiny minority
55:27
Speaker 2: when they with their denunciations of Trump, make them sound
55:31
Speaker 2: as if they think illegal aliens have the right to
55:34
Speaker 2: live and work in the United States as long as
55:36
Speaker 2: they don't kill people. It is a safe conjecture that
55:40
Speaker 2: if the Democrats take the House in twenty twenty six,
55:42
Speaker 2: they will impeach Trump. What four a common guess his
55:46
Speaker 2: command on at least five occasions so far to pulverize
55:50
Speaker 2: boats to deemed by intelligence officials to be ferrying narcotics
55:55
Speaker 2: into the US. The policy, in the end may invite
55:58
Speaker 2: successful legal challenge. Before drawing up articles of impeachment, Democrats
56:03
Speaker 2: may wish to ask a few average Americans what they think.
56:06
Speaker 2: The point that they make is just about every American
56:09
Speaker 2: thinks it's perfectly fine to blow up a bode of
56:11
Speaker 2: drug smuggle. It's bringing drugs into the United States, and
56:14
Speaker 2: the Democrats worried about the niceties of this, again, don't
56:17
Speaker 2: understand democracy. Most of us think, if they're hauling in,
56:21
Speaker 2: you know, boatloads of fentanyl and everything else into the
56:23
Speaker 2: United States and we blow that boat up, that's a
56:26
Speaker 2: good thing that we don't think you have a particular
56:29
Speaker 2: unfettered right to come into the United States with boatloads
56:31
Speaker 2: and drugs. Back to the peace. Democrats are sometimes right
56:34
Speaker 2: to fulminate against the President for his decisions strong arming
56:36
Speaker 2: private companies, telling pregnant women not to take tyl and
56:39
Speaker 2: all slapping one hundred thousand dollars fee on h one
56:41
Speaker 2: B applications, but many of Trump's preoccupations aren't of this sort.
56:45
Speaker 2: I sometimes wonder, this is Martin Swain if the president's
56:48
Speaker 2: turbulence in pursuit of his aims is meant to tempt
56:51
Speaker 2: his adversaries into denouncing both the turbulence and the aims
56:55
Speaker 2: and thus sound ridiculous. By the way, that is Trump's. Again,
57:01
Speaker 2: I talk about earlier the Dodger fan who baited the
57:05
Speaker 2: Brewer fan and is saying the thing, this is what
57:07
Speaker 2: Trump does by doing things in the style that he does.
57:11
Speaker 2: The lefties take the bait, and not only rip Trump
57:13
Speaker 2: for the style, but they rip Trump for the substance,
57:15
Speaker 2: and that's the substance in which almost everybody agrees with
57:18
Speaker 2: him on Back to the piece. Has often badly expressed
57:22
Speaker 2: belief that American cities tolerate too much crime. Has on
57:25
Speaker 2: an educated guest eighty percent of the public behind it,
57:28
Speaker 2: But many of his enemies seem to think that they
57:30
Speaker 2: must choose between quelling violence with troops and denying the
57:34
Speaker 2: existence of urban crime. If Democrats want to stop making
57:37
Speaker 2: themselves abhorrent to the public, they will have to think
57:40
Speaker 2: the unthinkable. That Trump is a democratic expression of the
57:44
Speaker 2: American character, not the only or the finest expression, but
57:48
Speaker 2: an authentic one. He decreed an overhaul of the Smithsonian
57:51
Speaker 2: Institution because he knows what the electorate knows that America
57:55
Speaker 2: is basically good. Even his quote weaponization of the Justice
57:58
Speaker 2: Department to use the word the press forgot during Joe
58:01
Speaker 2: Biden's presidency has a rough democratic rationale. Do unto others
58:05
Speaker 2: who what was done to you and call it Even
58:09
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't threaten democracy for good and ill, he has
58:12
Speaker 2: a consequence of it. Martin Swain in the Wall Street Journal,
58:16
Speaker 2: I know this a quote of the day. We're not
58:19
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58:25
Speaker 2: you all know that Kamala Harris is trying to do
58:28
Speaker 2: this book tour. It's better, it's better disaster. I mean
58:32
Speaker 2: she can't. I honestly think Judge Joe Brown had it right.
58:37
Speaker 2: We played this quote back in twenty twenty four in
58:39
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58:41
Speaker 2: but he says Kamala Harris is in early onset dementia.
58:45
Speaker 2: I honestly think that's daddy. There's no way she was
58:48
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58:52
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58:58
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59:01
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59:05
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59:08
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59:11
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59:22
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59:26
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59:33
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59:36
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59:39
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59:50
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59:53
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59:56
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Speaker 4: so that I'll get you thirty five percent off Mark
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Speaker 4: thirty five.
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Speaker 2: All right, now, people have to remember this because we're
1:01:51
Speaker 2: not doing a live talk sho. If you try to
1:01:53
Speaker 2: call up and ask what that thing is, nobody's going
1:01:55
Speaker 2: to know what the answer is, Mark thirty five. Now
1:01:58
Speaker 2: Paul's thinking he named that because of the per set off.
1:02:00
Speaker 2: That's he clearly is using my age there. All right,
1:02:04
Speaker 2: let's get going with today's football preview. I think we
1:02:09
Speaker 2: have to start with the situation with Wisconsin. Everything with
1:02:14
Speaker 2: Wisconsin football program right now just seems to me to
1:02:18
Speaker 2: be a tobacco. They have an unbelievably brutal schedule. They
1:02:22
Speaker 2: play Ohio State at home this week, They've got Oregon
1:02:27
Speaker 2: next week. The offense appears to be non existent. The
1:02:31
Speaker 2: fan base seems to have given up on the program.
1:02:34
Speaker 2: The head coach, Luke Fickle, who was as highly touted
1:02:38
Speaker 2: as any possible coach you could hire, seems lost. I
1:02:41
Speaker 2: don't even know necessarily where to start. Assuming that they
1:02:46
Speaker 2: lose to Ohio State and by a lot of points,
1:02:50
Speaker 2: what do they do, Mike? Do they fire Fickle? What
1:02:53
Speaker 2: do they do? What's the answer here? Because I think
1:02:56
Speaker 2: no one really expected, even people who thought maybe this
1:02:59
Speaker 2: won't work, never thought it could get to be the
1:03:03
Speaker 2: mess that it is. What are your thoughts on the
1:03:05
Speaker 2: Wisconsin program? Yeah?
1:03:07
Speaker 4: I was a ficklebacker. Obviously everyone was.
1:03:11
Speaker 2: When he was hired, he was everybody was, everybody was.
1:03:13
Speaker 4: It looked like a great hire. But he's just you know,
1:03:16
Speaker 4: they've regressed every year. They went from seven to six
1:03:18
Speaker 4: to five and seven and two and ten or three
1:03:21
Speaker 4: and nine this year, so showing no improvement. I don't
1:03:25
Speaker 4: think they can keep them. I mean, he's got a
1:03:26
Speaker 4: big buyout, twenty five ish million. I don't think they
1:03:29
Speaker 4: can keep them. I don't think he'll last a season.
1:03:31
Speaker 2: Now.
1:03:32
Speaker 4: He might last to the next two games Ohio State Oregon,
1:03:35
Speaker 4: and then they have a buye. You know, if you're
1:03:38
Speaker 4: gonna do it, maybe then let the interim have a
1:03:41
Speaker 4: couple of weeks to work with the team. So they're
1:03:44
Speaker 4: not winning the next two games, so that doesn't matter
1:03:46
Speaker 4: who they bring, you know who who takes over for them.
1:03:49
Speaker 4: You mentioned their offense, Mark, I mean they're averaging they're
1:03:54
Speaker 4: averaging less than seven points per game in the Big Ten.
1:03:57
Speaker 4: In the last four games against FBSIPO, they've had forty
1:04:01
Speaker 4: five offensive possessions, scored three offensive touchdowns their team total
1:04:05
Speaker 4: this week. And they're playing the best defense in the
1:04:07
Speaker 4: country this year. So you can wager sides totals. And
1:04:12
Speaker 4: there's also.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: What's the prop on the Padrews being shut out? Seriously, Well,
1:04:17
Speaker 2: I think I don't think they'll score.
1:04:19
Speaker 4: No, their team total is six and a half points.
1:04:22
Speaker 4: Oh under, that's their team total.
1:04:24
Speaker 2: I mean, unless there's a pick six, I don't know
1:04:26
Speaker 2: how they get over that.
1:04:27
Speaker 4: I agree. Ohio State's given up eight points per game
1:04:30
Speaker 4: this season. I'm guessing Wisconsin gets shut out two weeks in.
1:04:35
Speaker 4: I just don't see him scoring this weekend. So we'll see.
1:04:39
Speaker 4: But I think they're going to have to make a move,
1:04:41
Speaker 4: and it's probably going to be before the end of
1:04:43
Speaker 4: the season, I would guess, yeah.
1:04:44
Speaker 2: And I don't think firing the coach in the little
1:04:46
Speaker 2: of the season does any good. On the other hand,
1:04:49
Speaker 2: you're almost, you know, torturing Fickled by sending him out
1:04:53
Speaker 2: there to get pounded every week. I mean, things can
1:04:57
Speaker 2: always turn around. There's just no sign of it. In
1:05:00
Speaker 2: the meantime, fans are just more impatient than ever. I mean,
1:05:04
Speaker 2: when you step back a moment, the Penn State firing
1:05:06
Speaker 2: of James Franklin seems shocking now. Admittedly they're coming off
1:05:11
Speaker 2: a terrible three game stretch. They once again lost to
1:05:14
Speaker 2: a top team they can't he can't be good teams
1:05:16
Speaker 2: over there, but then lost to inferior teams two weeks
1:05:20
Speaker 2: in a row. And appear to be reeling. On the
1:05:23
Speaker 2: other hand, you know, teams have bad years every now
1:05:27
Speaker 2: and then. Franklin has had Penn State in the top
1:05:30
Speaker 2: ten pretty much as long as he's been there. It
1:05:34
Speaker 2: seems almost impossible that the next coach, unless the next
1:05:37
Speaker 2: coach wins a national championship, he can't do better than Franklin.
1:05:41
Speaker 2: So we're in a situation in which, you know, the
1:05:45
Speaker 2: if you stumble at all a little bit at any point,
1:05:50
Speaker 2: it's let's fire you. So that's the environment that Fickle
1:05:52
Speaker 2: and all of these coaches are in. I think Penn
1:05:55
Speaker 2: State is nuts in getting rid of Franklin. I think
1:05:57
Speaker 2: that they should simply swallow it. They're gonna have a
1:06:00
Speaker 2: bad season, a disappointing season here, and stick with the guy,
1:06:04
Speaker 2: because I don't know who they would hire, who they
1:06:06
Speaker 2: would expect would do much better.
1:06:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, Franklin's record at Penn
1:06:11
Speaker 4: State is one hundred and four and forty five and
1:06:15
Speaker 4: he got canned three weeks ago. Just put in perspective,
1:06:18
Speaker 4: three weeks ago, they were the number three team in
1:06:19
Speaker 4: the country. They led Oregon in overtime, they win that game,
1:06:24
Speaker 4: and there's a chance they they are number two, and
1:06:26
Speaker 4: they have an argument for number one at that point.
1:06:29
Speaker 4: The problem is, of course he's done terrible against good teams,
1:06:33
Speaker 4: and then the last two weeks they were twenty there
1:06:35
Speaker 4: were more than twenty point favorites against ucl In Northwestern
1:06:39
Speaker 4: lost both. That's the first team that's ever happened to
1:06:41
Speaker 4: him thirty years.
1:06:41
Speaker 2: Oh, Undeniably, the wheels have fallen off. My point is
1:06:45
Speaker 2: it would seem as though if you take a look
1:06:48
Speaker 2: at the big picture and where you're going from here,
1:06:50
Speaker 2: you're still better off with him coming off of this
1:06:53
Speaker 2: bad season than starting over with somebody else having half
1:06:57
Speaker 2: the team transfer and you're not going to get anybody
1:07:00
Speaker 2: with a better resume than Franklin. But that's the environment
1:07:06
Speaker 2: that Wisconsin is in. I mean, you go back in
1:07:09
Speaker 2: early in Barry Alvarez his career after the first Rose Bowl,
1:07:13
Speaker 2: they stumbled in the mid nineties before they went to
1:07:15
Speaker 2: the next two. I think they had two big ten
1:07:17
Speaker 2: losing seasons in a row in this environment. I think
1:07:20
Speaker 2: that Barry Alvarez could have been fired before he went
1:07:23
Speaker 2: on and got to the second and the third Rose Ball,
1:07:26
Speaker 2: all of which of course that he won. There's just
1:07:29
Speaker 2: like no sense I think at all of anybody looking
1:07:32
Speaker 2: at the big picture, and I get the whole thing
1:07:35
Speaker 2: with nil and college sports and so on, but it
1:07:40
Speaker 2: just seems to be almost a crazed situation that's going
1:07:44
Speaker 2: on with coaches, notwithstanding the fickle thing. I mean, unless
1:07:49
Speaker 2: he somehow pulls a rabbit out of his hat, there's
1:07:51
Speaker 2: just no indication that it's working at all, even though
1:07:54
Speaker 2: I think people would have thought that it would work.
1:07:56
Speaker 2: With regard, I think we've pretty much covered the Ohio
1:07:58
Speaker 2: State game. I'm actually surprise, Mike that the Badges are
1:08:01
Speaker 2: only a twenty five point underdog. They lost by thirty
1:08:04
Speaker 2: seven points to Iowa, and I think Ohio State's twenty
1:08:06
Speaker 2: points better than Iowa. In my mind, the line should
1:08:09
Speaker 2: be forty two, don't you.
1:08:12
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, the interesting thing in this line is it
1:08:14
Speaker 4: opened twenty seven and a half and it's moved down
1:08:17
Speaker 4: to twenty five ish. When it opened at twenty seven
1:08:20
Speaker 4: and a half, that's the highest point spread in the
1:08:22
Speaker 4: history of the Ohio State Wisconsin game, home or away.
1:08:26
Speaker 4: That's the highest point since nineteen eighty, the biggest point
1:08:30
Speaker 4: spread Wisconsin's ever taken as a dog against Ohio State
1:08:33
Speaker 4: at home. Prior to this was twenty one, so it's
1:08:36
Speaker 4: a huge line. But I don't disagree with you. I
1:08:38
Speaker 4: don't thinkco Wisconsin might not score, so Ohio State's got
1:08:41
Speaker 4: to get to twenty seven.
1:08:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the only thought is that Wisconsin, you know,
1:08:45
Speaker 2: emotion fired up, yet you know, pride kicks in. But
1:08:49
Speaker 2: my retort to that is if that was going to happen,
1:08:51
Speaker 2: it would have been last week, correct, and not this week.
1:08:55
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm getting vibes that neither of the top
1:08:58
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks wants to play for the remainder of the
1:09:01
Speaker 2: season because they both want a red shirt. That the
1:09:05
Speaker 2: reason that O'Brien didn't go back into the game last
1:09:08
Speaker 2: week is he doesn't want to. I'm hearing that I
1:09:10
Speaker 2: don't know if it's true, and that Billy Edwards has
1:09:12
Speaker 2: said that I'm medical red shirting. I don't know if
1:09:15
Speaker 2: any of that stuff is true. But when things are
1:09:17
Speaker 2: falling apart, you know, there's all sorts of leaks, most
1:09:20
Speaker 2: of which aren't true. But the entire vibe that's coming
1:09:23
Speaker 2: out of Madison is awful, and I just suspect that
1:09:27
Speaker 2: it's going to be a sad situation. I just think
1:09:29
Speaker 2: people are going to be booing like crazy, and it's
1:09:31
Speaker 2: just it's all bad. At one other college game. There
1:09:35
Speaker 2: are quite a few interesting ones, but I cherry picked
1:09:37
Speaker 2: out one that I think is really intriguing because it's
1:09:40
Speaker 2: both a big game and a sur rivalry game. Utah
1:09:44
Speaker 2: plays BYU. They're both in the Big Twelve. The Big
1:09:47
Speaker 2: Twelve is not very good this year, and Utah and
1:09:51
Speaker 2: BYU are at the top of the league. They're from
1:09:54
Speaker 2: the same state. Utah is always good and under the
1:09:57
Speaker 2: current coach Tataki, BYU has gotten to be really good.
1:10:00
Speaker 2: I believe BYU is unbeaten and Utah has a loss,
1:10:04
Speaker 2: yet Utah has favored in this in state game. So
1:10:07
Speaker 2: I just think it's an interesting game. I think it's
1:10:09
Speaker 2: interesting that these two schools kind of in the middle
1:10:11
Speaker 2: of nowhere have built long standing, you know, powerhouse status
1:10:16
Speaker 2: really and it's such an important game in addition to
1:10:20
Speaker 2: the fact that they're just they're huge rivals out there.
1:10:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's two teams not a lot of people
1:10:26
Speaker 4: talk about. But like you said, those teas because.
1:10:28
Speaker 2: They're from Utah, But I mean that's the only raison
1:10:30
Speaker 2: they're from Utah on one's a Mormon school, that people
1:10:33
Speaker 2: can't figure out. And the others of state that state
1:10:36
Speaker 2: of Utah is about is anonymous the states you can imagine.
1:10:39
Speaker 2: But I mean as long as Winningham has been there,
1:10:41
Speaker 2: they've been a strong football team.
1:10:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've got one loss between them, and that
1:10:45
Speaker 4: was Utah against Texas Tech, who's probably a top five
1:10:48
Speaker 4: team in the country.
1:10:49
Speaker 2: That just Tech is way better than people think. And
1:10:51
Speaker 2: they are proof that you can indeed use nil to
1:10:54
Speaker 2: buy a team. That's what they've did.
1:10:58
Speaker 4: That's what they did. I mean, that was our top
1:11:00
Speaker 4: that was our six star play last week with Texas
1:11:01
Speaker 4: Tech over Kansas and it won easily. And Texas Tech
1:11:05
Speaker 4: lost their quarterback in the first first half in that
1:11:07
Speaker 4: game too. But anyway back to this game, so two
1:11:10
Speaker 4: top thirty offenses, two top twenty defenses by US one
1:11:14
Speaker 4: the last two. But prior to that, Utah had won
1:11:16
Speaker 4: nine straight. It is interesting that Utah's favored on the
1:11:19
Speaker 4: road and they're the team with a loss. This is
1:11:22
Speaker 4: an underdog series if you like, you know a lot
1:11:25
Speaker 4: of times these type of series are underdog series. The
1:11:27
Speaker 4: dog is covered twenty one of the last twenty eight
1:11:30
Speaker 4: back to nineteen ninety three and now You're getting a
1:11:32
Speaker 4: home underdog here, so that would probably we're not going
1:11:35
Speaker 4: to use the game, But I don't think I could
1:11:36
Speaker 4: lay points on the road in this type of series.
1:11:39
Speaker 4: It's just it's probably going to be a close game
1:11:40
Speaker 4: down to the layer.
1:11:41
Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to the NFL, the Packers and
1:11:44
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. This is a curious game too. The Packers,
1:11:47
Speaker 2: to me, to the eye test, don't look good at
1:11:50
Speaker 2: all Arizona. In the meantime, the whole team is banged up.
1:11:53
Speaker 2: We don't know. I don't think we know at this
1:11:55
Speaker 2: point if Murray is going to play. It looks like
1:11:58
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is in the cushion protocol that he may
1:12:01
Speaker 2: not play. And it's not really a home game for Arizona.
1:12:04
Speaker 2: That place is going to be packed with Packer fans.
1:12:06
Speaker 2: It always is when Green Bay plays out in Arizona.
1:12:09
Speaker 2: Yet the Packers are favored by six and a half.
1:12:11
Speaker 2: In Day Boy, they struggled, at least to the eye test,
1:12:15
Speaker 2: they struggled against Cincinnati, and Arizona's way better than Cincinnati.
1:12:18
Speaker 2: What do you make of this game? And should the
1:12:20
Speaker 2: Packers be favored by nearly a touchdown even with injuries
1:12:23
Speaker 2: to Arizona.
1:12:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a little bit high. You know,
1:12:28
Speaker 4: if I'm Arizona after last week, I'd rather have Brissett
1:12:30
Speaker 4: a quarterback anyway. The way he played last week, they
1:12:33
Speaker 4: had four hundred yards twenty seven points. Last week they
1:12:36
Speaker 4: lost by four at Indianapolis. That's the most yardage they've
1:12:39
Speaker 4: had this year. In fact, with Murray at quarterback, and
1:12:42
Speaker 4: four of their first five games they didn't even get
1:12:44
Speaker 4: to three hundred yards. And they had four hundred yards
1:12:46
Speaker 4: last week and Brissett through for three hundred and twenty yards.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: Does that seem like Kyler Murray is a guy whose
1:12:51
Speaker 2: rookie season was his best year.
1:12:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, don't. I don't think he's a great quarterback.
1:12:56
Speaker 4: I think he's okay. I think he's middle of the
1:12:57
Speaker 4: pack average. And that's just the way I agree with you.
1:13:00
Speaker 4: On green Bay last week, I was shocked the Bengals
1:13:03
Speaker 4: scored eighteen points in that game, all in the second
1:13:05
Speaker 4: half with Flacco had barely been with the team. Their
1:13:08
Speaker 4: playbick was limited, and they were moving the ball decent
1:13:11
Speaker 4: the second half. I wasn't impressed with green Bay last week.
1:13:14
Speaker 4: Even though they won, they outgained them pretty badly. But
1:13:17
Speaker 4: one thing about Arizona. All their games are close. Every game.
1:13:21
Speaker 4: All six games they're two and four. All six games
1:13:24
Speaker 4: been decided by seven points or less. And here's a
1:13:26
Speaker 4: big thing about Green Bay mark they have two takeaways
1:13:29
Speaker 4: this year on defense, the Jets only have one.
1:13:32
Speaker 2: I mean, what happened to Xavier McKinney missed the interception?
1:13:35
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't even see it. I mean I
1:13:37
Speaker 2: see him running, I see the number, I see him
1:13:39
Speaker 2: running a round note there, but I never see him
1:13:41
Speaker 2: involved in any plays. I mean he seems to have
1:13:43
Speaker 2: vanished from the defense.
1:13:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, and turnover margins such a huge thing. They're lucky
1:13:49
Speaker 4: they only have three turnovers this year. Otherwise they wouldn't
1:13:51
Speaker 4: have a three to one in one record because they're
1:13:53
Speaker 4: not taking the ball away. They have to change that soon.
1:13:56
Speaker 2: I think one other game in the NFL, and again
1:13:59
Speaker 2: there's a lot of interesting ones, but the one I
1:14:01
Speaker 2: grabbed is the Eagles and the Vikings Philadelphia. You know,
1:14:07
Speaker 2: super Bowl losers usually fall apart the following season. Kansas
1:14:10
Speaker 2: City isn't, but the Eagles of the Super Bowl winner,
1:14:14
Speaker 2: and they've looked really bad in several games. And then
1:14:18
Speaker 2: there's the Vikings, who they don't know who their quarterbacks
1:14:21
Speaker 2: should be. Should it be McCarthy, should it be Carson
1:14:25
Speaker 2: Wentz who's just been bloffer his entire career. Not good,
1:14:28
Speaker 2: not bad. They don't have much offense somehow Philadelphia doesn't
1:14:32
Speaker 2: have much offense at all. But they're both clearly still
1:14:34
Speaker 2: good teams. Again, I throw the game up because I'm
1:14:37
Speaker 2: not sure what to make of it. What do you
1:14:38
Speaker 2: make of it?
1:14:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Philadelphia open in a two and a
1:14:42
Speaker 4: half point favorites down to one and a half. Philadelphia's
1:14:45
Speaker 4: four and two, they can easily be two and four.
1:14:47
Speaker 2: This year they're four and two, and they look like
1:14:49
Speaker 2: they're one and five again the eye tests. They just
1:14:51
Speaker 2: don't look very good.
1:14:53
Speaker 4: No, we've been fading for Philadelphia the last few weeks.
1:14:56
Speaker 4: With the Rams a few weeks ago, we know how
1:14:58
Speaker 4: that turned out, and then Denver a couple of weeks ago,
1:15:01
Speaker 4: we got that win. They're just not very good this year.
1:15:03
Speaker 4: Their offense stinks. They ranked twenty six. They're lower and
1:15:06
Speaker 4: pretty much every offensive category and the one thing that's
1:15:10
Speaker 4: just crazy about this team this year. Last year, they
1:15:13
Speaker 4: averaged one hundred and eighty four yards per game. Rushing
1:15:15
Speaker 4: second in the NFL, five yards per carry fourth. This year,
1:15:19
Speaker 4: they're averaging ninety five yards per game rushing and three
1:15:23
Speaker 4: point five yards per carry. Barkley is on pace for
1:15:26
Speaker 4: nine hundred yards this year, and he had over two
1:15:29
Speaker 4: thousand last year. They can't run the ball, which is crazy.
1:15:33
Speaker 4: The one thing I do like, I like Minnesota a
1:15:35
Speaker 4: little bit in this game as an underdog. They're coming
1:15:37
Speaker 4: off two games in Europe, but they had a bye
1:15:40
Speaker 4: last week, and they they've got a really good defense,
1:15:43
Speaker 4: and they're really good as an underdog. Just going back
1:15:46
Speaker 4: to like twenty twelve, they're twenty two to ten as
1:15:48
Speaker 4: a home dog. All the way back to nineteen eighty,
1:15:51
Speaker 4: they're fifty one and thirty five as a home dog.
1:15:53
Speaker 4: They're just good as a home dog. And I think
1:15:56
Speaker 4: the Eagles are vastly overrated. It's gonna be WinCE McCarthy's
1:15:59
Speaker 4: still a few weeks out from what we heard, so
1:16:02
Speaker 4: it's going to be once again, and I think Minnesota's
1:16:03
Speaker 4: a really good chance to win that game.
1:16:05
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for some point spread precks. An before
1:16:08
Speaker 2: we get to this week, let's see how things worked
1:16:11
Speaker 2: out last week. Michael got off to a terrible start.
1:16:13
Speaker 2: He's on a run. He won again two in a row. Mike,
1:16:15
Speaker 2: you had the Seattle over Jacksonville, which that turned out
1:16:19
Speaker 2: to a pretty good pick. At the time we did
1:16:21
Speaker 2: our show. Seattle was actually still an underdog in the game,
1:16:23
Speaker 2: and they beat the Jaguars by eight points, so that
1:16:26
Speaker 2: was a win. Paul took Washington by five points over
1:16:30
Speaker 2: the Bears, and the Bears won the game. Here's the
1:16:32
Speaker 2: weird thing on the Bears. They have won two games
1:16:34
Speaker 2: in a row by the same score of twenty five
1:16:36
Speaker 2: to twenty four. You might not have another twenty five
1:16:39
Speaker 2: to twenty four final in the NFL all year. And
1:16:42
Speaker 2: the Bears have won by that exact score two weeks
1:16:44
Speaker 2: in a row. And I kind of thought I'd lose
1:16:47
Speaker 2: last week, but almost won, but I didn't win. I
1:16:49
Speaker 2: took East Carolina six and a half on the underdog
1:16:51
Speaker 2: against Tulane and they lost by seven in the last
1:16:54
Speaker 2: minute of the game, twenty six to nineteen. So Mike
1:16:56
Speaker 2: got a win, and Paul and I yeah, you and
1:17:01
Speaker 2: you and you and Mike Paul are tied for second place.
1:17:05
Speaker 2: I remember there's only three of us this year, so
1:17:07
Speaker 2: second place. Both sounds good and bad. All right, that's
1:17:11
Speaker 2: where we were. Let's get some little disorganized here, but
1:17:15
Speaker 2: I'll get myself together any second. No, Paul, you get
1:17:18
Speaker 2: to go first point spreads for this weekend's games. He's
1:17:23
Speaker 2: gonna start with the Giants at the Broncos. All right,
1:17:31
Speaker 2: here it is that game's in Denver, Denver favored by seven,
1:17:38
Speaker 2: the Vikings and the Eagles. That one's moved. We use
1:17:42
Speaker 2: scores and odds and I just credited and what they
1:17:45
Speaker 2: have as the line is Eagles by one and a half.
1:17:50
Speaker 2: That's gone down and it might continue to go down.
1:17:53
Speaker 2: But at the moment we do this, Philadelphia on the
1:17:55
Speaker 2: road is favored by one and a half. Paul is
1:18:00
Speaker 2: going to take the Vikings. I agree with you. You
1:18:03
Speaker 2: can look at three things. You can look at records,
1:18:05
Speaker 2: you can look at stats. You can look at the eyeballs,
1:18:07
Speaker 2: and in particularly the eyeballs. To me, Philadelphia doesn't look
1:18:10
Speaker 2: any good. That can change. Teams change on a dime.
1:18:16
Speaker 2: But I agree with Paul on this. Paul, you just
1:18:18
Speaker 2: said all the reasons Mike mentioned. We would have Mike
1:18:20
Speaker 2: discuss it again because we just went through the game.
1:18:22
Speaker 2: Is there a reason the home field advantage he cites. Yeah,
1:18:29
Speaker 2: I just I just no, Carson Wentz isn't bad. He's
1:18:33
Speaker 2: as I said, he's blah, he's exactly black. Carson Wentz
1:18:37
Speaker 2: is if you created a generic NFL quarterback, that that's
1:18:41
Speaker 2: what he is. I think he's Yeah, he's in that category.
1:18:44
Speaker 2: All right, that's Paul's pick. He takes the Vikings to
1:18:48
Speaker 2: either win or lose by one or less. Mike, where
1:18:50
Speaker 2: do you want to go?
1:18:52
Speaker 4: Let's let's first just check the line on the game.
1:18:55
Speaker 4: We talked about Ohio State Wisconsin.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I saw it's twenty five and a half.
1:19:00
Speaker 2: To dig it up. I think it's somewhere for the end,
1:19:06
Speaker 2: isn't it? Three?
1:19:09
Speaker 4: Is the game there?
1:19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah? Twenty five and a half Ohio State on the road.
1:19:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to take Ohio State. I hate going
1:19:19
Speaker 4: against Wisconsin, but I've watched them every game this year,
1:19:22
Speaker 4: and we talked about it. They're gonna they might not
1:19:24
Speaker 4: score in the game. And actually, if they got to seven,
1:19:27
Speaker 4: I'd be shocked. So Ohio State gets to twenty seven,
1:19:31
Speaker 4: they might cover. If they get to the mid thirties,
1:19:33
Speaker 4: I think they cover for sure, and maybe the mid
1:19:36
Speaker 4: thirties and pretty much every game except Texas.
1:19:40
Speaker 2: I just you know, Scott's defense has been decent this year,
1:19:44
Speaker 2: but they gave up thirty seven to Iowa, and Ohio
1:19:47
Speaker 2: State's offense is better than Iowa's and the defenses, if anything,
1:19:51
Speaker 2: are comparable. Ohio State's probably better. I just think there's
1:19:54
Speaker 2: no reason to disagree with that pick, and I agree
1:19:56
Speaker 2: with it as well. And I thought about using that game.
1:19:59
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a game instead in the NFL.
1:20:02
Speaker 2: I'm going to let me get the correct points spread
1:20:04
Speaker 2: on my game here. It's a good one. Yeah. The
1:20:13
Speaker 2: weird thing is it's going down, which surprises me. The
1:20:17
Speaker 2: Saints at the Bears. The Bears are favored before and
1:20:19
Speaker 2: a half at home, and I know the Bears keep
1:20:22
Speaker 2: winning by one point. I think they're going to win
1:20:24
Speaker 2: by five or more. New Orleans has turned out to
1:20:26
Speaker 2: be not as putrid as people thought that they were
1:20:28
Speaker 2: going to be. But the Bears are just improving. I mean,
1:20:31
Speaker 2: the Ben Johnson offense with Caleb Williams at quarterback is
1:20:35
Speaker 2: starting to work. They just outplayed Washington. They're scoring a
1:20:39
Speaker 2: lot of points. Their defense isn't bad. New Orleans. You
1:20:45
Speaker 2: know they're lost to New England doesn't look that bad
1:20:48
Speaker 2: because New England might be the most improved team in
1:20:50
Speaker 2: the NFL this year. I just think that there's a
1:20:52
Speaker 2: significant difference between the two, and I think that the
1:20:54
Speaker 2: Bears are an ascended team right now, as we all
1:20:58
Speaker 2: kind of feared that they would be. I probably knows
1:21:00
Speaker 2: why this is, but that line was five and a half.
1:21:03
Speaker 2: That it was five and no, I was I just glanced.
1:21:04
Speaker 2: We just prended this off, and again we use a
1:21:06
Speaker 2: consensus service, it says four and a half. Is there
1:21:09
Speaker 2: any reason that I'm not aware of as to why
1:21:13
Speaker 2: action seems to be moving toward New Orleans? Because I
1:21:16
Speaker 2: think that the Bears can win this game by ten or.
1:21:18
Speaker 4: More just money, and there's no there's no injuries or anything.
1:21:24
Speaker 4: I think it's the fact that, you know, Chicago's been
1:21:25
Speaker 4: an underdog in every game this year, and all of
1:21:27
Speaker 4: a sudden their favorite by almost touchdown. New Orleans has
1:21:31
Speaker 4: played every team fairly close, with the exception of at Seattle.
1:21:37
Speaker 4: People are nervous Land that much with Chicago, would be
1:21:39
Speaker 4: my guest. The money is coming in on New Orleans
1:21:42
Speaker 4: for sure in this game right now, So that's why
1:21:44
Speaker 4: the line's dropping. I don't. I don't like the game
1:21:47
Speaker 4: either way. I'd be nervous land money with Chicago. But
1:21:51
Speaker 4: New Orleans has played you know, they've played pretty good
1:21:53
Speaker 4: at home. They've had a they've had one stinker on
1:21:55
Speaker 4: the road, but they've been better than most people think.
1:21:57
Speaker 2: That's what I said, that they're not as bad as
1:21:59
Speaker 2: people thought. People thought they might be the worst team
1:22:02
Speaker 2: in the NFL. But just because they're better than people think,
1:22:05
Speaker 2: I don't think means that they're good. I don't think
1:22:07
Speaker 2: that they're very good. I also think, you know, perceptions.
1:22:11
Speaker 2: The Bears lost in Week two to Detroit and gave
1:22:14
Speaker 2: up fifty two points, and it looked like, oh, here
1:22:17
Speaker 2: we go. But the fact of the matter is since
1:22:19
Speaker 2: that game, they've been very good. They came back the
1:22:22
Speaker 2: following week and beat Dallas thirty one to fourteen. If
1:22:24
Speaker 2: you know any about Dallas, they're not a very good team,
1:22:27
Speaker 2: but they have a great offense. They held into fourteen,
1:22:30
Speaker 2: and then they went off on this winning streak, the
1:22:32
Speaker 2: weird one with a by wrap between two games on
1:22:34
Speaker 2: the road. They went out to the Raiders, who are
1:22:37
Speaker 2: you know? OK? Twenty five to twenty four, and then
1:22:39
Speaker 2: at Washington with Daniels back, they beat them twenty five
1:22:43
Speaker 2: to twenty four. So I think if you and remember
1:22:46
Speaker 2: their Week one loss to Minnesota, they had that game one,
1:22:49
Speaker 2: they just gave it away at the end of the game.
1:22:52
Speaker 2: You throw out the Detroit game. Chicago is a pretty
1:22:54
Speaker 2: good team, and it gives me no great, you know,
1:22:57
Speaker 2: good feeling to pick the Bears to do anything. But
1:23:01
Speaker 2: I think I have a good pick on the game. Paul,
1:23:02
Speaker 2: what do you think of that pick? Yeah, Paul, of
1:23:07
Speaker 2: a resort, we'll recap everybody's picks. Remember, Mike and ASA
1:23:10
Speaker 2: have that thirty five percent discount, and again you have
1:23:12
Speaker 2: to put in their discount code mark thirty five. The
1:23:15
Speaker 2: mark comes from the star of this program me. Let's
1:23:18
Speaker 2: see the picks. Paul says, Oh, look at the wrong one.
1:23:22
Speaker 2: Here we go. Paul says to take the Vikings over
1:23:25
Speaker 2: the Eagles, meaning he needs them either to win or
1:23:28
Speaker 2: lose by one or less or tie. Obviously, Mike says,
1:23:30
Speaker 2: Ohio State beats Wisconsin by twenty six or more. Maybe
1:23:34
Speaker 2: all of us in Wisconsin are just too blinded by
1:23:36
Speaker 2: the negativity of the Badgers. But I clearly agree with
1:23:38
Speaker 2: that pick, and I take the Bears to beat the
1:23:40
Speaker 2: Saints by five or more. Next podcast will be released
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