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Normally Podcast: Trump & Elon Have Fun...The Left Loses It! · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to Normally, the show with normalist
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Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us, all of our normies. I am Mary
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Speaker 1: cavin Ham.
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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. Hey Mary Catherine, how.
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Speaker 3: Are you And have you had any McDonald's recently?
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's a you know, that's an evergreen
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Speaker 1: yes for me. Really, I thought you're a Vojangles girl.
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Speaker 3: Oh. I strongly associate you with the Vojangles.
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Speaker 1: Brand, as you should. But the beauty of me is
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Speaker 1: that I can be associated with several fast food brands,
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Speaker 1: among them McDonald's, Vojangles, and waffle House, and I have much,
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Speaker 1: much love for all of them. Another thing I've always
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Speaker 1: had love for is Trump's unabashed affection for fast food.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not at all embarrassed. He's like, bring on
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Speaker 2: the McDonald's burgers when he's in the White House, you know,
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Speaker 2: stack them up real high on nice silver trays.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I did enjoy that so much. It
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Speaker 1: was a what was it a National championship ceremony where
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Speaker 1: a team was being welcomed to the White House. He
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Speaker 1: just puts out fast food boxes everywhere you can see
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Speaker 1: there's what they like. They're arranged beautifully. I thought that
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Speaker 1: was a wonderful moment. So this was on display this week.
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Speaker 1: We're doing some trail Shenanigans, they call it. They call
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Speaker 1: it silly season for a reason, and things do get
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Speaker 1: silly in October. And I enjoyed this silly very much.
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Speaker 1: Which is McDonald's.
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Speaker 2: Uh A.
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Speaker 1: McDonald's in Pennsylvania had former President Donald Trump making fries
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Speaker 1: and handing out orders this weekend and it was quite
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Speaker 1: the photo op. What what did you think? Carol thought
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Speaker 1: it was art.
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Speaker 2: I mean those pictures of him waving out of the
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Speaker 2: drive through window. It's just it's funny because obviously he's
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Speaker 2: running for president again. He's been in our political lives
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Speaker 2: for a long time. But we all know Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: for decades, decades and decades. You know, my kids knew
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Speaker 2: who he was from home alone too. It just there's
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Speaker 2: some some kind of nostalgia almost for him, like we've
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Speaker 2: known this man for so long and so many different ways,
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Speaker 2: The Apprentice, et cetera.
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Speaker 3: And here he is.
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Speaker 2: On the campaign trail, leaning out a drive through window,
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Speaker 2: waving and just he looks super iconic. Norman Rockwell, not
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Speaker 2: at all, the guy who lives in Trump Tower in
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Speaker 2: New York City with golden toilets.
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Speaker 3: It was just it was glorious, beautifully done.
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Speaker 2: I thought the campaign was brilliant for making it happen,
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Speaker 2: especially of.
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Speaker 3: Course, because Kamala Harris says.
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Speaker 2: That she worked Adam McDonald's and has produced absolutely no
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Speaker 2: evidence of it, like not a picture, not a friend
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Speaker 2: who worked with her, not you know, anything, zero proof
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Speaker 2: of it, although of course that's enough for the media.
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Speaker 2: The New York Times had a fact check on Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump and they basically said, like, Kamala Harris says that
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Speaker 2: she did.
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Speaker 1: So, so she did.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she did, and we're sticking with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this event was sort of meant as a
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Speaker 1: troll of her and the idea that she worked there.
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Speaker 1: And it also you've worked on campaigns, Carol, Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know that the job of campaign staff is to put
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Speaker 1: the principle to put the candidate in a place where
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Speaker 1: the candidate can be the best version of themselves, right,
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Speaker 1: And I thought that this on that front was such
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Speaker 1: a huge victory, which is kind.
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Speaker 3: Of continues to surprise me.
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Speaker 2: Right, Donald Trump, Donald Trump again, he of the golden
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Speaker 2: toilets is supernatural at a McDonald's drive through window. You know,
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Speaker 2: we were kind of chatting about this before the episode,
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Speaker 2: and we were talking about how Kamala Harris could not
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Speaker 2: do this, she could not do.
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Speaker 3: This in any situation. And of course there's this whole
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Speaker 3: thing where, oh it was staged? Really was it?
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Speaker 2: He didn't abandon his his campaign to go be the
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Speaker 2: fry cook at McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: Was the stage? Mary Catherine Well, I joked, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to have to take some time to contemplate this idea
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Speaker 1: that this might not have been a totally organic event
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Speaker 1: where the former president and billionaire took a job at
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Speaker 1: McDonald's in Pennsylvania as a side hustle during his campaign
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Speaker 1: for president. Obviously, this is a campaign event. Every person
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Speaker 1: who came through the drive through or was associated with
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Speaker 1: this was going to necessarily be vetted. Because I hastened
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Speaker 1: to remind everyone he has been almost assassinated twice now twice. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so yes, this was not an organic situation. News media
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Speaker 1: Newsweek actually has a piece was Donald Trump's mcdonald' ship
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Speaker 1: quote staged? And it's like a fact check?
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 1: David from a writer at the Atlantic claims, Hey, all
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Speaker 1: these people who came to the drive through were vetted
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Speaker 1: because he can't meet up with people who disagree with him. It's, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're all being deliberately obtuse about what a campaign photo
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Speaker 1: op looks like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when they work, when they're eating, like, you know,
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Speaker 2: corn dog on a stick in Iowa?
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Speaker 4: Is it?
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Speaker 2: Are all the stories like, I don't know that he
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Speaker 2: really wanted a corn dog on a stick.
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Speaker 3: I think he would have preferred sushi. But you know,
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Speaker 3: this seems a little and authentic.
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Speaker 2: They the fact that the liberal media lost their mind
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Speaker 2: over this is so bizarre. This is such a weird
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Speaker 2: one for me for them to go crazy over, and
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Speaker 2: it kind of shows that it landed.
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Speaker 1: It hit.
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Speaker 3: The pictures were amazing.
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Speaker 2: You know, we'll get into into football a little later,
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Speaker 2: but Donald Trump went to a.
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Speaker 3: Football game after this. He just he had a fantastic weekend.
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Speaker 3: And they hate it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so one part of this too, you reference the
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Speaker 1: pictures And I do think that picture of him waiting
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Speaker 1: out the window looks like if you gave AI a
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Speaker 1: prompt that was like, what will the customs posters in
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Speaker 1: a twenty twenty four post twenty twenty four Trump presidency
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Speaker 1: look like and honestly, they should make them into his
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Speaker 1: official portrait. I really should just go for it.
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Speaker 3: Show me America.
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Speaker 1: I want to read you seth Abramson h takes exception
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Speaker 1: to this event, of course he does. Perhaps no stunt
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Speaker 1: in the history of US politics deserves more ridicule than
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Speaker 1: the grotesquely embarrassing mummerie Trump put on at a Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: McDonald's today. The whole country got shi t e ar
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Speaker 1: I'm I don't want our ess tag.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because of this, the McDonald's was closed, the customers were fake.
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Speaker 1: Trump did nothing right.
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Speaker 2: Where Michael Ducacas in the tank that was him actually
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Speaker 2: going to war you guys.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I just this reaction adds a layer of success
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Speaker 1: to the event, right, And I just want to submit
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Speaker 1: that if you are this angry about Trump being in
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Speaker 1: a silly campaign event where he's chatting with normal people
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, yes, betted at a drive through, You're not
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Speaker 1: the smart, insane person in the scenario, right like this,
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Speaker 1: When you react like this, the Trump campaign is like, fantastic,
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Speaker 1: we have we have done what we sought to do.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's play a little clip of him meeting some
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Speaker 1: of the people who came through the drive through. Here
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Speaker 1: we goody, you can't take this.
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Speaker 2: Yes, please don't let the United States become raz my natives.
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Speaker 2: We'll keep it good.
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Speaker 1: We're going to make it better than that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, yes, you so much.
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Speaker 1: Just a nice family of Brazilian Americans coming through the
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Speaker 1: drive through. He also after. Right after her, there was
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Speaker 1: an Indian American family that comes through, and he's he
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Speaker 1: had this line. What did he say to them?
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Speaker 2: So they said, oh, you know, it's so amazing for
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Speaker 2: like regular people like us to meet the president.
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Speaker 3: He's like, you're not regular.
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Speaker 1: It's like you are not regular Again, when the candidate
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Speaker 1: can surprise you with their ability to be kind and
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Speaker 1: sweet and cut against the uh stereotype and the idea
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people have of them. I think
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Speaker 1: Vance in the debate was another good example of this.
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Speaker 1: So you're putting your candidate in a position where they
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Speaker 1: can show that they are different from the bad take
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Speaker 1: on them. And look, I don't always have confidence in
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Speaker 1: Trump to be able to transcend that, but in this
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Speaker 1: situation he did, and I think that is why people
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Speaker 1: are upset about it. We'll be right back in just
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Speaker 1: a moment on normally.
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Speaker 2: Right, I think if you had asked me, should Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump go like work at McDonald's and help out with
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Speaker 2: the drive through window after making some fries. I don't
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Speaker 2: know that I have the political instincts there to say, oh,
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Speaker 2: this will be a good idea, this is going to
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Speaker 2: go well, like this could not go well, but it
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Speaker 2: went amazing, and you know, so obviously they're mad.
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Speaker 1: By the way. Somebody told me on Twitter one of
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Speaker 1: my reply guys that ten years ago Mary Catherine would
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Speaker 1: have hated this, and I said, no, contraire. Mary Katherine
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Speaker 1: Ham has been consistent about her love for fast food
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Speaker 1: and about Donald Trump's love for fast food full time.
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Speaker 1: I do not have an issue with any of that.
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Speaker 3: Right, and come on, hated it? You don't hate that many.
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Speaker 1: Things, that's true. I mean, my main goal in life
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Speaker 1: is to get everybody to chill a little bit. So right, well,
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Speaker 1: there's more shenanigans on the trail that people are mad at,
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Speaker 1: and these involved Elon Musk, who has made a promise
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Speaker 1: to give out a million bucks to one rally attendee
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Speaker 1: who has signed his Constitution pledge. But yeah, right, every
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Speaker 1: day until the election is the promise. So one guy
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Speaker 1: actually just got a million bucks, right, I think several people.
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Speaker 2: Now I think there was a woman also who got
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Speaker 2: a million. You know, I think normally gets results. Last
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Speaker 2: episode we talked about how handing out cash works and
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Speaker 2: here we are so and it's so funny because all
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Speaker 2: the articles are like, even from like Britain in BBC
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Speaker 2: and the Guardian.
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Speaker 3: Are all like is this legal?
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Speaker 2: We talked to experts and it's like they have never
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Speaker 2: back checked, you know, any part of handing out cash
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Speaker 2: that happens by Democrats. They never went through Kamala Harris's
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Speaker 2: pledge to give black men twenty thousand dollars to start businesses.
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Speaker 2: They don't talk about Joe Biden handing out cash to
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Speaker 2: pay off student loans to the supporters. It's you know,
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Speaker 2: none of this happens. But Donald Trump's ally Elon Musk.
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Speaker 3: Now, we got to get the experts in right.
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Speaker 1: Don't they know that you're only supposed to make these
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Speaker 1: promises with other people's money. You're supposed to use your
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Speaker 1: own money, right, right? Exactly?
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Speaker 2: Although do you remember the New York Times lady who
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Speaker 2: thought that Bloomberg on TV? She said that Mike Bloomberg
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Speaker 2: could have given every American one million dollars, so I
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Speaker 2: think they were open to the idea when it was
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Speaker 2: going to be a million dollars for everyone, you know,
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Speaker 2: which of course would have been one dollar for everyone.
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Speaker 3: It was just some really poor math.
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Speaker 1: And this is the thing, like, if you're going to
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Speaker 1: soak the rich, go straight to the source, Like, don't
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Speaker 1: filter it through the federal government. Just take a million
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Speaker 1: bucks straight from Elon Musk. By the way, that considered
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Speaker 1: a gift. So maybe there's not too much tax on
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Speaker 1: it either, So congratulations everyone. I do think if we're
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Speaker 1: going to do this arms race of just giving cash
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Speaker 1: to people, I'm so much happier with it coming from
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Speaker 1: a person's bank account for sure. And I am from
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Speaker 1: a bunch of taxpayers. That is the that is the
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Speaker 1: clearly morally preferable, absolutely payoff. Yeah right.
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Speaker 3: And it's so funny. Also, Democrats are so mad about
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk on the trail.
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Speaker 2: It's like, do you see this billionaire on the trail
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Speaker 2: with a politician. Well, we never had that happen before,
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Speaker 2: And it's like literally happens all the time on the left.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know George.
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Speaker 2: Soros, Alex Soros, you know any number of other people,
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Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg of force in the twenty twenty election.
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Speaker 3: They act as if this is a brand new thing.
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Speaker 3: But they're like, no, but it's different because Elon Musk
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Speaker 3: controls X and yeah, so Mark Zuckerberg controlled Facebook and it.
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Speaker 1: Was all of your dudes control all the other things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're like, but no, no, but it's different.
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Speaker 2: So there's a New York Times article. I actually I
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Speaker 2: was going to predict on the show that there's going
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Speaker 2: to be like a really serious article come out about
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Speaker 2: how like this is, you know, this.
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Speaker 3: Is giving Elon Musk too much power.
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Speaker 2: And let me tell you, I just looked it up
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Speaker 2: and the New York Times does not disappoint US agencies
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Speaker 2: fund and fight with Elon Musk. Trump presidents he could
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Speaker 2: give him power over them. And it's like a shadowy
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Speaker 2: picture of Elon Musk. There's four authors on the piece,
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Speaker 2: and Elon Musk's influence over the federal government is extraordinary
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Speaker 2: and extraordinarily lucrative.
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Speaker 3: And it's just about how.
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Speaker 2: He, you know, has contracts with the Department of Defense
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Speaker 2: and he's got all this all these federal contracts and
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Speaker 2: all this influence because that has never happened before George
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Speaker 2: Soros literally runs district attorney departments all over the country,
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Speaker 2: but influence Mary Kather this is this is the first
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Speaker 2: time it's ever happened. And so just one more point
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Speaker 2: to conclude, my elon Musk is not an aberration, and
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Speaker 2: this happens all the time. There was a story in
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Speaker 2: Time magazine February twenty twenty one by Mollyball and it
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Speaker 2: was called the Secret History of the Shadow Campaign that
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Speaker 2: saved the twenty twenty election, and it literally illustrated how
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Speaker 2: the tech companies got together and coordinated to keep Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump out. So spare me that this is the first
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Speaker 2: time this has ever happened in the history of the world.
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Speaker 1: Ye, that's yet another and one of the more egregious
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Speaker 1: examples of the moment that the conspiracy theory becomes true.
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Speaker 1: Right like it's it's like we were all that was
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Speaker 1: just all nonsense until it was reported that it wasn't
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Speaker 1: all nonsense. But of course by then it was too
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Speaker 1: late to give anyone credit for the fact that they
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Speaker 1: were correct about.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and they wrote the story.
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Speaker 2: The story was like greeted like, yes, this was an
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Speaker 2: amazing thing that they did, and it's like, oh, you
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Speaker 2: guys totally coordinated election you know, electioneering.
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Speaker 3: And that's okay, but of course it was.
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Speaker 1: I got to say that one of the best pitches
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Speaker 1: for a Trump presidency for me is the idea that
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Speaker 1: a guy like Elon Musk, who is famous for making
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Speaker 1: things work, would be given any sort of influence on
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Speaker 1: the federal government. Really, yeah, because it's bad at working.
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Speaker 1: It's bad at that.
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Speaker 2: It is bad at that, And that's why he's resonating, right,
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Speaker 2: It's like, we don't really care, or not that we
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Speaker 2: don't care, but it doesn't get like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is hanging out with George Sorows or you
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Speaker 2: know Alex Sorows recently.
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Speaker 3: No, but Elon Musk is cool and unique and.
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Speaker 2: Different and effective, and everybody thinks that's, you know, a
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Speaker 2: good thing. And the fact that he's supporting Trump is
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Speaker 2: a huge bonus for Trump.
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Speaker 1: On the subject of government inefficiency. He told a little
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Speaker 1: story the other day on the trail, and this is
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Speaker 1: another thing. You know, again, there's a stereotype about Musk
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Speaker 1: that when he he tells a story like this, it
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Speaker 1: was genuinely hilarious about the things he has to deal
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Speaker 1: with with the federal government. That cuts against the picture
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Speaker 1: of him as well, and it goes viral and people
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Speaker 1: see it, just as these McDonald's clips are everywhere, and
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Speaker 1: I think it does them good. This one, in particular,
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Speaker 1: was a story about how the federal government required him
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Speaker 1: to do a study of what would happen or how
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Speaker 1: probable it might be that his rockets when coming back
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Speaker 1: to Earth landing in the ocean would hit sharks for
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Speaker 1: whales right in the ocean, and Musk being Musk is like,
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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of ocean. I could do
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Speaker 1: the calculations. He says, can you guys give me the
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Speaker 1: info on the density of the sharks and whales if
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Speaker 1: you guys have that, And they're like, no, no.
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Speaker 3: You figure that out on your own.
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, and then he said, tomorrow I will tell
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Speaker 2: the story of how SpaceX was forced by the government
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Speaker 2: to kidnap seals, put earphones on them and play sonic
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Speaker 2: boom sounds to say see if they seemed upset. Can't
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Speaker 2: wait to hear that one.
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, it's beyond parody. But so much of
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Speaker 1: the federal government is beyond parody that I think it's
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Speaker 1: I think it's helpful for people to bring light to this.
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Speaker 1: And I just want to play one line from him
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Speaker 1: where he calls out the whales. Let's hear Elon Musk
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Speaker 1: call out the whales.
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Speaker 4: But they wouldn't let us proceed with launch until we
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Speaker 4: did this crazy shock data and then we saw okay,
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Speaker 4: now we're done this hip, But what about whales? I like,
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Speaker 4: when you look at a picture of the Pacific, what
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Speaker 4: percentage of the sofa area the Pacific?
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Speaker 1: Do you see his whale? Because I see it.
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Speaker 4: Look at a picture, honestly, and like you can't wear
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Speaker 4: as a whale. And honestly, if the ship did hit
17:54
Speaker 4: a whale, it's like, honestly, that weal had a coming
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Speaker 4: because it's like the odds are so low, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's like final Destination, the Whale edition. It's like fate
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Speaker 4: had it in for that whale, you know.
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Speaker 1: So that's Elon and Donald on the trail making people laugh,
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Speaker 1: and that's making some other people very mad, but it
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Speaker 1: is going to work with a few voters. They're going
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Speaker 1: to look at these guys and go, huh, that's a
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Speaker 1: different picture than I got from the rest of the coverage.
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Speaker 3: And again, million dollars if Elon wants to ship it
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Speaker 3: my way. I will go vote today. Early voting has
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Speaker 3: started in Florida.
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Speaker 1: I'm ready to go here. We go all right onto
18:37
Speaker 1: the NFL elsewhere in Pennsylvania because that's where everyone's going
18:41
Speaker 1: to be for the next two weeks. Trump went to
18:44
Speaker 1: the Steelers game. It was a special Steelers game to
18:48
Speaker 1: march mark the franchise's first Super Bowl win, and then
18:52
Speaker 1: he did some rallies with NFL players in Pennsylvania before
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Speaker 1: this event, with a one time New York jet Le'Veon
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Speaker 1: Bell and controversial ex wide receiver Antonio Brown. I have
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Speaker 1: to say that the idea that kind of loopy wide
19:12
Speaker 1: receivers who are very talented or into Trump is that's
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Speaker 1: on brand. That makes sense to me.
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Speaker 3: Why why is that? Tell tell the audience what that means.
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Speaker 1: I feel like Trump has that brand, like a guy
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Speaker 1: who has a lot of talents but isn't super coachable
19:31
Speaker 1: and in your franchise is going to break some stuff.
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Speaker 1: I think that's right, one of the Donald Trump brand. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, So those guys were on
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Speaker 1: the trail with him. In response, it looks like Kamala
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Speaker 1: Harris has recruited some Steelers legends as well. She has
19:49
Speaker 1: Jerome Bettison, me and Joe Green and the family of
19:52
Speaker 1: the late Franco Harris will all be publicly supporting her.
19:56
Speaker 1: So we're we have a face off, not just in
19:59
Speaker 1: the NFL actual teams, but between the two campaigns. How
20:03
Speaker 1: do you feel about politics in your football?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, generally not a fan.
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Speaker 2: But I think that this is sort of funny because
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Speaker 2: Democrats usually have all the Hollywood celebrities, and over the weekend,
20:15
Speaker 2: you know, she had Lizzo in Detroit, and I think
20:19
Speaker 2: she had Megan thee Stallion in Atlanta, but don't don't
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Speaker 2: quote me on that she had somebody in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. At the beginning of the okay, the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the campaign.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought that was recent.
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Speaker 2: Lizzo in Detroit made the comment that she hears a
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Speaker 2: lot that if Kamala gets elected, the whole country would
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Speaker 2: be like Detroit, and she kind of fought back on
20:39
Speaker 2: that idea, like, yeah, the whole country will be like Detroit,
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Speaker 2: resilient and strong, And that's not what people are saying.
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Speaker 3: So that's not what they mean.
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Speaker 2: They're not like, you know what the whole country will
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Speaker 2: be strong like Detroit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is like this is one of
20:54
Speaker 1: those moments again where Trump's adversaries are his best hour. Yeah,
21:00
Speaker 1: because his line about Detroit was not a great idea
21:04
Speaker 1: because you're in Michigan. People in Michigan recognized Detroit has
21:08
Speaker 1: a lot of problems. They feel affection for it, right,
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Speaker 1: and Detroit versus everybody is the slogan. So they're going
21:14
Speaker 1: to get their backs up about that. And then Lizzo
21:17
Speaker 1: takes that liability and turns it into kable. Harris is
21:21
Speaker 1: going to turn the whole country Detroit, which even Michigan
21:24
Speaker 1: ors must go. I don't want down to be Detroit either, right.
21:29
Speaker 3: Right, No, you're absolutely right.
21:31
Speaker 2: You know, I'm from New York. I criticized New York
21:34
Speaker 2: a lot. I you know, very publicly moved to Florida.
21:37
Speaker 2: But over the weekend, like this older couple started talking
21:40
Speaker 2: to me about New York and they started trashing it,
21:42
Speaker 2: and I did not like it.
21:43
Speaker 1: I was like, you are.
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Speaker 3: From New Jersey first of all, so back up. And
21:49
Speaker 3: you know it's like I could say it, you can't
21:51
Speaker 3: say it.
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Speaker 1: So you're exactly right. Yeah, but you know, Lizzo came
21:55
Speaker 1: along and saved him from that particular way. Give us
21:58
Speaker 1: a second, we'll be right back. Normally. Trump also attended
22:05
Speaker 1: the game in a private suite. You know, he really
22:08
Speaker 1: he stepped it up from his day jobs as a
22:11
Speaker 1: Pride cook and went to the private suite at the
22:13
Speaker 1: Steelers game. And this is a little bit of his reception.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's greeted like a conquering hero.
22:32
Speaker 2: He really is, and he's been going into these kinds
22:35
Speaker 2: of places getting this kind of reception.
22:37
Speaker 3: I just it is. I look back at Republican candidates
22:41
Speaker 3: in history and I just.
22:42
Speaker 2: You know, thinking to Mitt Romney or John McCain or
22:45
Speaker 2: George W. Bush, they didn't get quite this kind of
22:49
Speaker 2: level of adoration.
22:50
Speaker 3: It is.
22:51
Speaker 2: It does go back to the whole thing where Trump
22:53
Speaker 2: just does phenomenal with men, and so he goes into
22:56
Speaker 2: these very male orientated spaces and they him and it's
23:02
Speaker 2: it helps.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think, like George W. Bush would have been
23:05
Speaker 1: the last one who had I think that sort of
23:07
Speaker 1: guy's guy crab, right, he could go into this environment.
23:11
Speaker 1: The first pitch post nine to eleven is a classic, but.
23:16
Speaker 2: Worrying that first pitch, I like literally remember watching it
23:18
Speaker 2: shortly after nine eleven and worrying he was going to
23:20
Speaker 2: get booed. So it's you know, yes, he did amazing,
23:24
Speaker 2: but like, for sure, the concern was there that he
23:26
Speaker 2: was going to get Oh for sure.
23:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There are some some reply guys excited
23:32
Speaker 1: about the fact that apparently in that clip that he's
23:34
Speaker 1: being cheered and people are cheering USA. Uh, that there's
23:38
Speaker 1: a couple of middle fingers up in the in the shot.
23:41
Speaker 1: And you know what, I would just say, yay, free speech, right.
23:44
Speaker 3: That's that's what has to happen.
23:45
Speaker 2: If it was just all people shouting USA, USA, and
23:49
Speaker 2: not a single middle finger, we'd have to wonder what
23:51
Speaker 2: was wrong.
23:51
Speaker 1: There, You really would. There's one more thing that happened
23:55
Speaker 1: at the Steelers game was like a very exciting game
23:58
Speaker 1: on the political front weekend. Yeah, generally generally, by the way,
24:02
Speaker 1: I do not love politics mixing with my sports, but
24:06
Speaker 1: I understand that in October of an election year, it's
24:09
Speaker 1: basically unavoidable, so it might as well be fun the
24:11
Speaker 1: way we do it. So this was fun. A woman
24:16
Speaker 1: at a Steelers game rushed the field with a sign
24:20
Speaker 1: that said Trump colon Secure border, Kamala colon open border.
24:25
Speaker 1: Let's play a little bit of that. You'll just hear
24:27
Speaker 1: everybody freaking out. Now. Important context, well, they got her.
24:48
Speaker 1: Important context is she's wearing a very low cut crop
24:54
Speaker 1: top situation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can only do that in a low cut
24:57
Speaker 3: crop top situation.
24:59
Speaker 1: I mean fine and thigh high what looked like hound's
25:03
Speaker 1: tooth boots. So she's clearly a Steelers fan. She's got
25:06
Speaker 1: the Yeah, she's got the colors going on and the message.
25:10
Speaker 1: And she she wasn't tackled brutally. It didn't look like.
25:14
Speaker 3: It looked like they moved her to the sideline.
25:16
Speaker 1: They were probably afraid of what would happened to the top.
25:18
Speaker 1: It's a it was. It was holding on by a threat.
25:23
Speaker 1: So you know what, that's another unconventional political messaging strategy.
25:29
Speaker 3: A good time was had by all.
25:31
Speaker 1: Look, when it's silly season, you got to embrace lean
25:34
Speaker 1: right in.
25:35
Speaker 2: Yes, So our last topic today is there was a
25:39
Speaker 2: New York magazine story over the last few days and
25:44
Speaker 2: it was about.
25:45
Speaker 3: How are liberal?
25:47
Speaker 2: A liberal woman wrote the story and she asked, are
25:49
Speaker 2: we messing up our kids by making them so anti Trump?
25:52
Speaker 2: And this is the part I quoted on my ex account.
25:56
Speaker 2: And so I'm just gonna read a little bit of it.
25:58
Speaker 2: But given that most family I know have spent the
26:01
Speaker 2: last eight years blank talking Donald Trump around the dinner table,
26:05
Speaker 2: a human caricature who, for that reason alone, seems to
26:08
Speaker 2: be a particular interest to children, I was not surprised
26:11
Speaker 2: to learn and a new research project sponsored by CNN
26:14
Speaker 2: that when you talk to grade schoolers about the election,
26:16
Speaker 2: children of dem voters are more rigid in their thinking
26:19
Speaker 2: than children of Republican voters. Children who sympathize with Trump
26:23
Speaker 2: are more likely to repeat misinformation, but they also express
26:27
Speaker 2: less hesitance about entering the home of someone who doesn't
26:29
Speaker 2: agree with their politics. The children of Democrats reacted with
26:33
Speaker 2: stronger negativity about Trump than the children of Republicans did
26:36
Speaker 2: about Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. I mean, yeah, we know,
26:40
Speaker 2: we are fully aware of this, right, we know that
26:45
Speaker 2: there's a.
26:45
Speaker 3: Very stark divide on the misinformation line. I know.
26:48
Speaker 2: I also I mentioned this on my Twitter, But you know,
26:52
Speaker 2: the brainwashed children of liberals that I met in New York,
26:56
Speaker 2: I heard them say just the most insane things, and
26:59
Speaker 2: they're I mean, misinformation is like a really cute word
27:02
Speaker 2: for it. So spare me, though, we're really concerned about information.
27:06
Speaker 1: Part Oh no, I mean misinformation, as I referenced earlier,
27:09
Speaker 1: is likely a reference to some conspiracy theory that later
27:12
Speaker 1: became revealed as truth right, And like the conservative kids
27:16
Speaker 1: have just gotten the bulletin on that a little bit
27:18
Speaker 1: earlier than the liberal kids did. And look again, even
27:22
Speaker 1: if there are things they're saying that are not true,
27:26
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in fact checking my children twenty four
27:29
Speaker 1: to seven and b which value would you rather them
27:32
Speaker 1: have as they're working through facts and fiction and figuring
27:36
Speaker 1: out how to live in the world. I would like
27:37
Speaker 1: them to be able to be more open to encountering
27:40
Speaker 1: people who might have these discussions with them than to
27:43
Speaker 1: be perfectly fact checked by Daniel Dale at the breakfast table.
27:47
Speaker 1: Like I'm just not into that.
27:48
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly it. It's like, what do we want
27:51
Speaker 2: to be teaching our kids? And I want to teach
27:54
Speaker 2: them that, yes, they're going to encounter people who have
27:56
Speaker 2: different opinions, but doesn't make them bad people.
27:58
Speaker 3: I know that. Like that, that's the message that they're
28:01
Speaker 3: getting from a lot of the media.
28:02
Speaker 2: A lot of TikTok And you know, you can't you
28:05
Speaker 2: can't be silent and you can't just have dinner with
28:07
Speaker 2: your racist uncle, or you know, I show them not
28:10
Speaker 2: even racist, but you know that's that's the line that
28:13
Speaker 2: they get right, And I just I want to counter
28:16
Speaker 2: that in my home and say, we know all kinds
28:19
Speaker 2: of people, and they have all kinds of ideas, and you.
28:22
Speaker 3: Should be able to defend your ideas.
28:24
Speaker 2: But also you're little and you shouldn't have that many
28:26
Speaker 2: political ideas right now.
28:28
Speaker 1: Sox flex I did appreciate, and Carol and I sometimes
28:32
Speaker 1: have an argument about how much credit we should give
28:35
Speaker 1: for these things, because it's a pretty basic idea of
28:38
Speaker 1: humanity that you should the article Mary Catherine me you
28:41
Speaker 1: should not hate be ready to disagree with you. But
28:44
Speaker 1: I do want to give her a little bit of
28:45
Speaker 1: credit for just not having this insane blind spot that
28:49
Speaker 1: so many on the left have. So she says, Democrat
28:52
Speaker 1: parents have a bit of a golden rule problem on
28:55
Speaker 1: our hands. We deplore the dehuman humanizing rhetoric of our opponents,
29:00
Speaker 1: the way they sneer about cat ladies and immigrants and
29:02
Speaker 1: trans people. So we often dehumanize our opponents right back,
29:07
Speaker 1: calling them pure evil and dangerous. Just being able to
29:10
Speaker 1: see that is good, we're moving in the correct direction.
29:14
Speaker 1: She then says, we stoke fear and paranoia and then
29:17
Speaker 1: we wring our hands about our weakening democratic institutions as
29:21
Speaker 1: though we were above the fray. Yes, you do. That
29:25
Speaker 1: might be something you should consider. So I do think
29:29
Speaker 1: that people like you and I need allies like our
29:33
Speaker 1: friend of hyphenated surnames that I'm miss I'm forgetting at
29:36
Speaker 1: the moment in an attempt to have people for our
29:40
Speaker 1: children to connect with in this way. Right, But man,
29:43
Speaker 1: this does seem like the basics again, like all of
29:46
Speaker 1: us have been saying this.
29:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Mary Kata and I were talking about how
29:49
Speaker 2: we both kind of gave the writer of this article
29:51
Speaker 2: credit for saying this, but it's like really basic stuff,
29:55
Speaker 2: extremely basic, and you know, and.
29:58
Speaker 1: Yet it reveals because I I think she'll get a
30:00
Speaker 1: lot of blowback for this, and I will stick up
30:03
Speaker 1: for her how far the left has moved in this
30:07
Speaker 1: area that what they're going to tell her is like, well,
30:10
Speaker 1: we're just teaching right and wrong. And what she's saying
30:13
Speaker 1: is that seeing it so black and white like that
30:16
Speaker 1: actually is harmful to everyone in the exchange and we
30:19
Speaker 1: should not do that. But man, it might be a
30:22
Speaker 1: tough sell in October of an election near to a
30:25
Speaker 1: liberal audience.
30:26
Speaker 3: That's it. That's why we even give her some credit
30:28
Speaker 3: for being brave. But you know, just generally, I.
30:30
Speaker 2: Think talking to your kids about politics too young, or
30:33
Speaker 2: talking too often about politics to your kids just.
30:36
Speaker 3: Not a good thing. You know, that makes them anxious.
30:39
Speaker 3: You see these anxiety numbers, Like maybe it's because we've.
30:42
Speaker 2: Given kids all this adult stuff to worry about that
30:45
Speaker 2: they really don't need to be thinking about yet, Like
30:47
Speaker 2: lay down your values of course at home, build your foundations,
30:50
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe don't talk trash about the candidates.
30:53
Speaker 3: In front of your kids like they're too little to understand.
30:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do civics and sort of news awareen in
31:00
Speaker 1: this house. We do some media literacy, we do history,
31:04
Speaker 1: but we don't do People might be surprised we don't
31:07
Speaker 1: do a ton of talking about politics.
31:09
Speaker 3: Now.
31:09
Speaker 1: My kids will overhear my husband and I talking, and
31:12
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll ask questions and I would say probably my
31:16
Speaker 1: reply guys, if I may reference them again, would probably
31:18
Speaker 1: be surprised at how even handed I am talking to
31:21
Speaker 1: my kids, because I actually want them to be able
31:24
Speaker 1: to think it through. So the other day. Actually not
31:27
Speaker 1: to not to do the thing where people quote their
31:29
Speaker 1: kids on Twitter, but my second child was listening to
31:34
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris promises in the car. It was just on
31:36
Speaker 1: the radio, and she said, she really do all of that.
31:41
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, swee, that's the exact
31:45
Speaker 1: right question. And I'd love for you to think about that, right.
31:48
Speaker 1: That's yep.
31:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where you want them to get to.
31:52
Speaker 2: You want them to have critical thinking. You want them
31:54
Speaker 2: to hear something and say, you know, ask more questions
31:57
Speaker 2: about it, or just engage deeper with it and just
32:00
Speaker 2: oh this sounds good or this sounds bad or we believe. Actually,
32:03
Speaker 2: the writer of this article also made fun of those
32:05
Speaker 2: we believe signs, so she's really gonna get it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, everyone with that sign in the yard just
32:11
Speaker 1: got a memo to go after her on X So
32:14
Speaker 1: here we go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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