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Sharri | 7 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good evening.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to believe it's been three years, three
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Speaker 2: years since the Hamas terrorist assault with savagery so incomprehensible
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Speaker 2: that we reflect on it still with unspeakable sadness at
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Speaker 2: the depravity and inhumanity. Three years since our lives, our
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Speaker 2: world changed so dramatically. The October 7 attacks on Israel
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Speaker 2: weren't simply a tragedy half a world away. It has
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Speaker 2: changed the very nature of life in Australia. And I
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Speaker 2: wonder whether life will ever be the same again as
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Speaker 2: it was before. It all started at sunrise at 6.29am
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Speaker 2: with terrorists and Palestinian civilians invading Israel. They broke down
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Speaker 2: border fences, used parachutes and gliders to cross by air
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Speaker 2: and drove in on their trucks and motorbikes. Their aim
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Speaker 2: was to slaughter as many Jews as possible. And they
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Speaker 2: didn't care if they were babies, children or the elderly.
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Speaker 2: There was not an ounce left. of humanity shown that day.
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Speaker 2: They had only one aim, to kill Jews. And more
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Speaker 2: than 1,200 innocent people were murdered.
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Speaker 3: We've brought you so many of these stories over the
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Speaker 3: past three years. Untold horrors unleashed on innocent families.
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Speaker 2: Many mothers and young girls were raped before or after
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Speaker 2: they were murdered or taken hostage. It was a barbaric
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Speaker 2: slaughter in the Israeli communities bordering Gaza. Families living in
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Speaker 2: their homes had raced to their safe room to hide.
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Speaker 2: The terrorists forced their way in through gunfire or fire
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Speaker 2: and murdered them all. One of those was the only
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Speaker 2: Australian killed on October 7, Grandmother Galit Carbone. She fought
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Speaker 2: in vain against the killers as they broke into her
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Speaker 2: safe room. Her brother Danny was on the phone to
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Speaker 2: her as the terrorists invaded their kibbutz Be'eri. And here's
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Speaker 2: the harrowing detail he told me when I visited their
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Speaker 2: home in Israel.
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Speaker 4: From what I know, she rang me at 12.09, 12 p.m.
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Speaker 4: and telling me that she hears them inside the house
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Speaker 4: and she's not sure if she locked the door, didn't
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Speaker 4: lock the door, as if it really matters. And I
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Speaker 4: told her, okay, let's whisper.
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Speaker 1: Let's not.
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Speaker 4: Let them know that someone's there.
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Speaker 2: She was in her safe room.
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Speaker 4: She was in her safety room.
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Speaker 5: Of course.
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Speaker 4: She was holding the handle. And, you know, it's either
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Speaker 4: who's going to bend first, you know.
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Speaker 1: She didn't stand a chance.
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Speaker 4: No, not one chance.
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Speaker 2: Visiting the place where the only Australian was murdered on
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Speaker 2: October 7 was a trip that our Foreign Minister, Penny Wong,
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Speaker 2: inexplicably never made. Nearby at Kibbutz Kafar Azar, parents Hadar
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Speaker 2: and Itay raced to take their 10-month-old baby twins to
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Speaker 2: the bomb shelter. 10-month-old baby twins. At 6.54am, Hadar sent
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Speaker 2: a text message joking about being stuck in a safe
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Speaker 2: room with dirty nappies. Her body was later found in
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Speaker 2: the kitchen. She was killed, it's believed, when she went
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Speaker 2: to make bottles for her babies. And her husband's body
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Speaker 2: was found in the bomb shelter. Before he was killed,
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Speaker 2: it's believed that he hid his baby twins in a
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Speaker 2: corner of the room not visible from the door. It is...
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Speaker 2: A true miracle. Those babies survived. Israeli soldiers found the
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Speaker 2: twins some 12 hours later. They were crying but alive.
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Speaker 2: They'd had nothing, no food, no breast milk, no bottles, nothing.
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Speaker 2: They're now being raised by family members. Their uncle and
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Speaker 2: aunt said this.
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Speaker 6: We saw her and Itay raising these babies. To see
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Speaker 6: them raising them, you know, the first year is so difficult.
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Speaker 6: And we knew how much they wanted these kids and
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Speaker 6: how much love and affection these kids had. And they
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Speaker 6: put so much energy in growing them up. So it's
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Speaker 6: all not fair.
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Speaker 2: And they did it so well.
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Speaker 6: It's all not fair. They're not here to grow them up.
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Speaker 6: Like you look at the twins and you think they're
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Speaker 6: supposed to be here. They're supposed to enjoy all of this.
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Speaker 2: It's truly unimaginable. And those 10-month-old babies are among the
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Speaker 2: 96 children who lost one parent. and the 20 who
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Speaker 2: were orphaned. And amid all of this death and slaughter,
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Speaker 2: the terrorists and many Palestinian civilians celebrated. Here's footage of
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Speaker 2: Palestinians yelling Allahu Akbar as they parade the body of
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Speaker 2: Shani Luke around Gaza. She was just 22. And a warning,
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Speaker 2: this footage is graphic. Shani had been stripped of her
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Speaker 2: clothes and you might have been able to see it
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Speaker 2: there on the screen, the Palestinians were spitting on her body.
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Speaker 2: The German-Israeli citizen had been trying to flee the Nova
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Speaker 2: Music Festival. She was a pacifist. She hadn't joined the
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Speaker 2: Israeli army. And she was killed, Israel only managing to
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Speaker 2: recover her body some eight months later. In total, 250
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Speaker 2: were killed at the Nova Music Festival. Bloodshed, young bodies
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Speaker 2: strewn everywhere. And they'd only been there to dance, to
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Speaker 2: listen to music, to celebrate life. Former hostage Aviva Siegel
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Speaker 2: also spoke about how it wasn't just Hamas that supported
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Speaker 2: the kidnapping of hostages, but Palestinian civilians. Aviva recalls the
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Speaker 2: celebrations on the streets as the hostages were dragged in,
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Speaker 2: bleeding and terrified, many still in their pyjamas. When you
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Speaker 2: arrived in Gaza as hostages, there were celebrations on the streets?
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Speaker 2: There was. You know, mothers with babies, older people with sticks,
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Speaker 2: the whole family, every age that you can think about it.
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Speaker 2: They were so happy.
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Speaker 1: It was like a party for them.
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Speaker 2: She's a living witness to the horrors inflicted by Hamas
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Speaker 2: that so many choose to overlook and ignore to this day. Now,
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Speaker 2: the story that, of course, never leaves me, will never,
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Speaker 2: is that of Mother Shiri Bibas, who desperately tried to
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Speaker 2: protect her little boy's Kefir, just nine months old, and Ariel,
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Speaker 2: four years old. They were all, three of them, dragged
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Speaker 2: by terrorists into Gaza. We later learned they'd been killed
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Speaker 2: by the bare hands of barbarians. A nine-month-old baby and
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Speaker 2: his four-year-old brother, their lives taken senselessly. And for what?
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Speaker 2: Their father... And Shiri's husband, Yarden Bibas, now left alone
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Speaker 2: without his entire family. On October 7, many Israelis were
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Speaker 2: also beheaded. Like this photo shows, and a warning, the
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Speaker 2: image is graphic. Although we have blurred it. And dozens
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Speaker 2: and dozens were burnt in their cars as they tried
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Speaker 2: to flee. We can't show you the graphic footage, but
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Speaker 2: we can show you all of these burnt out cars.
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Speaker 2: It just goes on and on. You think, how can
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Speaker 2: humans be so cruel, so evil? And then the reality
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Speaker 2: is that there are many people, not just in Gaza
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Speaker 2: but around the world, that celebrate this brutality because it's
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Speaker 2: against Jews. They dehumanise Jews by calling us Zionists. And
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Speaker 2: so it is again tonight with a rally at Town
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Speaker 2: Hall in Sydney, one in Melbourne, another one in Wollongong.
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Speaker 2: The activists and protesters aren't enlightened. They're not on the
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Speaker 2: side of humanity. They're just, in my opinion, they're just
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Speaker 2: as cruel and heartless as those barbarians who inflicted the
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Speaker 2: atrocities on October 7. And today we remember the invasion
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Speaker 2: that would change both Israel and life as we all
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Speaker 2: know it. But we also recognise that the Jewish people
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Speaker 2: are alive. We are fighting and determined to prevail over evil.
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Speaker 2: This morning, as dawn broke across Bondi, hundreds gathered to
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Speaker 2: mark the third anniversary of this massacre in Israel. Speakers
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Speaker 2: like Israel's ambassador to Australia, Hillel Newman, and 11-year-old Ben Carasso,
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Speaker 2: who was on this show last night, both drew a
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Speaker 2: link between that horrific day in Israel and the terror
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Speaker 2: attack at Bondi Beach.
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Speaker 7: Those that stand on the 7th of October not with Israel,
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Speaker 7: but against Israel, they're celebrating the slaughter and the murder
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Speaker 7: of Israelis and Jews.
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Speaker 8: Since then, I've been speaking about our childhood, which is
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Speaker 8: not normal.
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Speaker 2: Growing up, you know, into... Rockets and into sirens. Powerful
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Speaker 2: words showing scars from anti-Semitism and hatred still run deep.
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Speaker 2: Yet tonight as we speak, there's a commemoration at a
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Speaker 2: major synagogue attended by the ambassador, opposition leader Kelly Sloan,
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Speaker 2: opposition leader Angus Taylor, many others. You can have a look.
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Speaker 7: It is so warming to the heart to see such
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Speaker 7: a distinguished gathering here in solidarity with Israel and with
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Speaker 7: what happened on the 7th of October.
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Speaker 9: Three years ago today, the world changed, and we changed.
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Speaker 9: On October 7, Hamas terrorists crossed into Israel and carried
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Speaker 9: out the deadliest attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 2: Yet there have also been protests, as I mentioned, around
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Speaker 2: the country. These sickening sights. In Melbourne, a confrontation erupted
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Speaker 2: in front of the State Library.
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Speaker 8: I don't take sides.
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Speaker 2: This is not Australia.
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Speaker 5: Sounds like you're taking a side.
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Speaker 1: You take that side.
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Speaker 2: But the only person police seem to have taken issue
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Speaker 2: with so far is the pro-Israel journalist Avi Yemeni. Look
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Speaker 2: at this scuffle.
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Speaker 10: And we do have a camera at the town hall
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Speaker 10: in Sydney tonight.
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Speaker 2: These are the scenes from pro-Palestinian protesters. It's calm so far,
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Speaker 2: but we will continue to update you if that changes.
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Speaker 2: And joining me now is former Victorian Liberal Party President
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and News24 host Joe Hildebrand. Thank you both
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Speaker 2: so much. Michael, it is a solemn day, yet, you know,
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Speaker 2: these sickening protests across the country and authorities didn't seem
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Speaker 2: to have the appetite to even want to try and
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Speaker 2: stop them.
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Speaker 11: Well, they are completely sickening. But, Shari, we've probably got 10%
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Speaker 11: of this country who are political extremists of the left.
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Speaker 11: And to come out today and demonstrate on this day,
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Speaker 11: when the Civil Commission's report a couple of months ago
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Speaker 11: reported that on October 7, Palestinian Muslim men, apart from
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Speaker 11: the other atrocities, engaged in necrophilia, put their guns into
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Speaker 11: the genitals of young women... And you know what happened then?
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Speaker 11: These people are completely sick. And for people to come
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Speaker 11: out and support them and support what happened all in
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Speaker 11: the name of Palestinian liberation or freedom is an utter nonsense.
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Speaker 11: But the problem, Shari, is Muslim men have been slaughtering
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Speaker 11: other Muslim men for decades. The Iran-Iraq war, Shia against Sunni,
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Speaker 11: half a million people killed. We're now seeing, fast forward
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Speaker 11: to today in Yemen, 200,000 people have been killed, Shia
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Speaker 11: and Sunni again, Muslim men slaughtering other Muslim men. We
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Speaker 11: see in Gaza today, Hamas murdering other Muslim men on
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Speaker 11: the basis that they're collaborators or spies or something. I mean,
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Speaker 11: you know, what happened on October 7 was one of
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Speaker 11: the most sickening things you'll ever see, but it's not
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Speaker 11: unique in the sense that Unfortunately, Palestinian Muslim extremists and
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Speaker 11: Muslim extremists are killing other Muslims and other non-Muslims and
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Speaker 11: have been for decades. And so this Islamist extremism and
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Speaker 11: the death cult that they represent is one of the major,
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Speaker 11: if not the major problem in the world today, Shari.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Joe, all the leaders have come out and
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Speaker 2: said that the... I just want to focus on Australia
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Speaker 2: and the scenes we've seen today. I mean, as Michael
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Speaker 2: just said, at the Royal Commission, all the evidence has
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Speaker 2: been that, you know, these pro-Palestinian rallies have been a problem.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: All the leaders are condemning it, but no-one's taking any action.
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Speaker 2: They say there's nothing they can do, they're powerless. I mean,
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Speaker 2: shouldn't people be trying to do something, trying to change
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Speaker 2: the law?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a difficult one. I mean, they point to
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Speaker 5: the fact that the High Court found that there's an
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Speaker 5: implied freedom of political communication in the Constitution, and that
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Speaker 5: is what state-based courts have pointed to as well. My view...
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Speaker 5: I mean, I obviously find the demonstrations completely and utterly grotesque,
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Speaker 5: and I said as much verbatim in my column this week,
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Speaker 5: but what I think they do do is they highlight
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Speaker 5: just how sick... the demonstrators are and how... I mean,
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Speaker 5: it is honestly like gate-crashing a stranger's funeral. It is
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Speaker 5: absolutely disgusting to pick this day.
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Speaker 2: It's a really good analogy.
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Speaker 5: for you to hold a vigil. Like, what are they
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Speaker 5: going to do at the first anniversary of the Bondi massacre?
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Speaker 5: Are they going to demand the right to protest there
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Speaker 5: as well? So it is absolutely disgusting, but I think
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Speaker 5: it shows their true colours. And I think it shows
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Speaker 5: just how morally and intellectually bankrupt they are. And so
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Speaker 5: as much as it does make me sick to see it,
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Speaker 5: I mean, the fact that there are people there who
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Speaker 5: would do it and prepared to act like this, we
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Speaker 5: can't hide from that. And we just have to show
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Speaker 5: that we are better than them and that they are
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Speaker 5: the extremists.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to this topic a bit
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Speaker 2: later with Ben English. He's also got a reporter at
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Speaker 2: the town hall rally. But let's turn to this climate
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Speaker 2: talk fest now. Albanese Anne Chris Bowen refused to wear
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Speaker 2: the traditional Tuvaluan headdress at the pre-COP meeting in Fiji,
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Speaker 2: and now the PM's pretty much taken the first flight
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Speaker 2: out of there. And Bowen's sidestepped questions as to why.
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Speaker 11: Well, if you want to talk about scrutiny, this is
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Speaker 11: my second press conference of pre-COP.
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Speaker 2: I'm holding a press conference. Yeah, I mean, Michael, this
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Speaker 2: after he fell asleep... literally fell asleep, nodded off and
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Speaker 2: was caught on camera doing so.
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Speaker 11: And they've offended their hosts by not wearing the headwear,
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Speaker 11: which is a traditional sign of, you know, you're welcome,
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Speaker 11: and now that's being reported in the Taiwanese press and
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Speaker 11: elsewhere that they've offended their hosts. But this whole conference
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Speaker 11: was just a farce and... You know, I can tell
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Speaker 11: you what happens behind the scenes. I mean, Bowen would
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Speaker 11: have said to Albanese, this thing's going down like a
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Speaker 11: lead balloon, no-one's coming, and they've rung Gillard at the
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Speaker 11: last minute, they've rung Ardern at the last minute and said,
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Speaker 11: please come to this conference and give some weight to it.
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Speaker 11: So I would suspect late invitations have come to those
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Speaker 11: two to give it some, you know, some substance. But
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Speaker 11: what Gillard was doing, the speech he gave was bizarre. So, unfortunately,
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Speaker 11: this was a farce and, you know, explains why Albanese's
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Speaker 11: on 25% of the vote.
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Speaker 1: Well, that.
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Speaker 2: I think that was one of the great pages inside
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Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph today. Joe, did you see it in
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Speaker 2: the actual paper? It was a big full page with
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard in the outfit and saying, you know, something like,
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Speaker 2: what the hell is she doing here? That was the headline. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's certainly bizarre. It looked like a school reunion
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Speaker 5: that you desperately want to avoid. I suspect that they
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Speaker 5: didn't want to wear the headdress for exactly the same
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Speaker 5: reason that no politician... ever wants to be photographed under
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Speaker 5: an exit sign. You know, people can get that one
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Speaker 5: shot and then the next thing you know, it's headlines
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Speaker 5: for the rest of your career saying, you know, another
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Speaker 5: day in paradise, you know, fairies at the bottom of
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Speaker 5: the garden, whatever. As for Chris Bowen, though, I'm going
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Speaker 5: to defend him absolutely full-throatedly. I cannot blame anyone for
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Speaker 5: falling asleep during a climate summit. I can't think of
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Speaker 5: any more.
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Speaker 2: Well, then don't waste the millions of dollars on it.
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Speaker 2: If you were just watching the screen, you actually would
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Speaker 2: have seen the footage of them trying to put the
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Speaker 2: headdress on Albanese. He obviously said no. That's right.
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Speaker 5: And then someone came back later and thought he'd accidentally
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Speaker 5: been missed.
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Speaker 2: Trying to give it to the gate. And he still
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Speaker 2: didn't want to.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: So embarrassing. I mean, terrible etiquette. He should have just
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Speaker 2: taken it, been respectful. Alright, let's turn to another big
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Speaker 2: story today. The High Court has ruled that planning authorities
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Speaker 2: must consider carbon emissions burned overseas when approving new fossil
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Speaker 2: fuel projects. I mean, this is utterly insane. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the Greens are celebrating, calling it a nail in the
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Speaker 2: coffin for new coal. I mean, Michael Angus Taylor, he
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Speaker 2: was on Andrew Bolt's show a bit earlier. He says
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Speaker 2: this is a direct threat to mining jobs. He says
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Speaker 2: many projects in the planning pipeline now have an uncertain future.
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Speaker 2: But to think that you have to take into account
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Speaker 2: the climate emissions, not just in your country, but offshore,
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Speaker 2: that's just next level.
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Speaker 11: It's totally bizarre. And Chris Mintz now can immediately amend
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Speaker 11: that legislation, which he should do ASAP. I mean, Shari,
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Speaker 11: Labor always talk about increased revenues and how great this is.
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Speaker 11: The bottom line is they prefer to close down the
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Speaker 11: whole mining industry because the Labor left, the left of
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Speaker 11: the Labor Party, don't support the mining industry. But, of course,
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Speaker 11: without the mining industry in this country, Australia would be bankrupt.
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Speaker 11: The mining industry keeps this country going. And so Albanese
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Speaker 11: made some good comments about this mine a month or
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Speaker 11: so ago, supporting it. But now it's up to Chris
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Speaker 11: Minns to take action. He should do it immediately because
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Speaker 11: boards of these companies around the world, any companies around
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Speaker 11: the world will now be looking at this and wondering,
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Speaker 11: is Australia a safe place to invest money, which might
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Speaker 11: take five, 10, 15 years or longer to turn a profit?
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Speaker 11: And so the sovereign risk in Australia now is real
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Speaker 11: unless Minns does something immediately.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree? I mean, Angus Taylor also tonight has
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Speaker 2: said Minns should change the law, and if not, the
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Speaker 2: federal government should.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I absolutely do, and I would be very surprised
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Speaker 5: if Chris Minns didn't act on this. I think this is...
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Speaker 5: Whatever your position on.
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Speaker 5: Climate change and global warming, this seems to me clearly
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Speaker 5: the High Court making what should be a political decision.
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Speaker 5: It's up to the federal government to decide what it
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Speaker 5: is comfortable with our emissions being and what our climate
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Speaker 5: policies should be. It's not up to a court of
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Speaker 5: unelected jurists. So it strikes me as, yeah, the court
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Speaker 5: overstepping their mark and projects like this, which again, Chris
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Speaker 5: Minns and the Prime Minister have said that they want,
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Speaker 5: That is a political decision, not a legal one.
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Speaker 2: Very, very quickly, Michael, do you feel a bit more
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Speaker 2: confident about the Coalition's prospects after Angus Taylor's immigration plan?
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 11: I thought Taylor was outstanding yesterday. It was the best
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Speaker 11: performance he's given in his interview last night and tonight.
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Speaker 11: He's on winning ground and he's feeling confident. And secondly,
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Speaker 11: the more this debate in Australia becomes about economic management,
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Speaker 11: you'll see an increase in his vote because... I think
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Speaker 11: the public have lost confidence in Albanese and Chalmers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they've lost confidence. But the problem is they
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Speaker 2: were turning to our nation. Well, they are turning to
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Speaker 2: our nation. Problem for Angus Taylor, I should clarify. All right,
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Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand, Michael Kroger, thank you very so much. Now,
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Speaker 2: Abigail was just three years old when she was abducted
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Speaker 2: from her home during the October 7 attacks. Her father
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Speaker 2: was shot while carrying her. Her siblings, nine-year-old Michael and
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Speaker 2: six-year-old Amalia, thought she had died after they watched their
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Speaker 2: parents be brutally murdered by terrorists. And this was nine-year-old
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Speaker 2: Michael's emergency phone call. Where did you die? In this room.
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Speaker 6: Abigail was finally released in a hostage deal after 50 days.
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Speaker 13: Her auntie and uncle, Leron and.
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Speaker 2: Zoli, have adopted the three children. And I spoke with
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Speaker 2: them a little earlier.
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Speaker 10: Leron and Zoli, thank you so much for joining.
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Speaker 2: Us. Can you start by telling us what happened to Abigail,
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Speaker 2: Michael and Amalia on October 7?
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Speaker 8: Around 7 in the morning, we got a phone call
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Speaker 8: from my dad. And we were already in.
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Speaker 1: The safe room.
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Speaker 8: After at 6.29 in the morning, we had missile attack, very,
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Speaker 8: very strong missile attack. And we went into the safe room.
23:37
Speaker 8: And around 7 in the morning, my dad called and
23:40
Speaker 8: he said to me, Liron, what is Michael doing?
23:43
Speaker 1: Is telling me. And I said, what do you mean?
23:46
Speaker 8: And he said, he called me and he said that
23:49
Speaker 8: mom is dead and his dad is also dead. And
23:55
Speaker 8: my dad, he was 81 at the time. I thought
24:00
Speaker 8: he was losing his mind. I didn't understand what's going on.
24:04
Speaker 8: And I said to him, look dad, I'm gonna call Michael,
24:08
Speaker 8: I'm gonna call Smadar, my sister, and I'm gonna find
24:12
Speaker 8: out what's going on. So I called Smadar, Michael answered
24:18
Speaker 8: the phone and I said, Michael, what's going on? He said,
24:21
Speaker 8: mom is dead and dad is also dead. And it
24:27
Speaker 8: didn't seem real. At that point, the kids thought that
24:32
Speaker 8: their sister, Abigail, she was not even four. They thought
24:38
Speaker 8: that she is dead also because when they tried to
24:43
Speaker 8: run out of the house with their dad, she was
24:46
Speaker 8: in his arms and they shot him and she fell
24:50
Speaker 8: with him on the ground.
24:55
Speaker 10: And.
24:58
Speaker 1: She wasn't dead. She, I don't know, in.
25:05
Speaker 8: An amazing way she started to, she tried to crawl
25:08
Speaker 8: out of her.
25:10
Speaker 2: She went to her neighbours. She ran to the neighbours
25:14
Speaker 2: and miraculously they saved her from being killed but then
25:20
Speaker 2: she was taken into Gaza just three years old.
25:24
Speaker 8: Yeah, she was taken to Gaza with the mum and
25:29
Speaker 8: her three kids, a girl, and they were in Gaza
25:33
Speaker 8: for 51 days until she got back in the hostages deal.
25:40
Speaker 2: I mean, you just can't get your head around a
25:46
Speaker 2: three-year-old being taken hostage or two little children having to
25:50
Speaker 2: watch their parents be shot dead in front of them.
25:54
Speaker 10: You know, from the first day, we have our eight
25:58
Speaker 10: therapists that take care of us. They told us in
26:01
Speaker 10: the beginning, never ask questions. Especially in the beginning, we
26:07
Speaker 10: hear all the bad stories.
26:10
Speaker 2: And, Laurent, they were hiding in the cupboard for hours.
26:13
Speaker 2: How many hours?
26:15
Speaker 8: They were in the cupboard for 14 hours before they
26:19
Speaker 8: were able to rescue them.
26:21
Speaker 1: Their house was just in front of Gaza.
26:24
Speaker 8: So it was a strategic point for the terrorists, and
26:31
Speaker 8: it was very hard to take them out of the house.
26:35
Speaker 8: And while they were in the cupboard, they had no food,
26:39
Speaker 8: almost no water. They just sat there and tried to
26:44
Speaker 8: be as quiet as they can be while the terrorists
26:49
Speaker 8: kept coming to their house.
26:51
Speaker 2: And, Laurent, just to explain to our viewers, your sister's body,
26:56
Speaker 2: their mum's body was just right outside the cupboard and
26:59
Speaker 2: I think they had to take the phone from her
27:02
Speaker 2: to call for help. Is that right?
27:05
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, they were.
27:08
Speaker 8: She was just in front of them through this whole time.
27:12
Speaker 8: And I think also in their eyes, you know, when
27:18
Speaker 8: Michael called, he was very resourceful and he tried to
27:23
Speaker 8: call the police. and to call someone to help, the paramedic.
27:28
Speaker 8: And I will never forget when I, in one of
27:31
Speaker 8: these calls, I called him and it was on the
27:35
Speaker 8: other line with the paramedic and she sent him to
27:39
Speaker 8: try and find signs of life. I could hear her
27:44
Speaker 8: saying to him, is she breathing? Is she talking? And
27:49
Speaker 8: of course he answered no for all of these questions.
27:52
Speaker 8: And it was a very, crushing moment for me to
27:57
Speaker 8: hear that.
27:58
Speaker 2: About your sister, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Laurent,
28:01
Speaker 2: that period when Abigail was being held hostage and you
28:05
Speaker 2: didn't know if she was okay, who she was with,
28:08
Speaker 2: that must have just been so incredibly difficult, knowing a
28:11
Speaker 2: three-year-old was orphaned, was on her own with terrorists in Gaza.
28:19
Speaker 8: I think for the first two weeks that we found
28:23
Speaker 8: out that she's in Gaza, I didn't really have any
28:27
Speaker 8: hope because we knew who we were dealing with.
28:31
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing rational about, you know, terrorists.
28:37
Speaker 8: And what really gave me hope is the fact that
28:41
Speaker 8: I knew that she's with Hagar. She's this amazing woman
28:45
Speaker 8: from our kibbutz. I knew that she would take care
28:47
Speaker 8: of her as one of her own. But we couldn't
28:52
Speaker 8: really breathe for 51 days. It was hard to breathe,
28:56
Speaker 8: you know, until she was back with us in our hands.
29:00
Speaker 1: It was heartbreaking.
29:03
Speaker 2: Leron, how are the children doing three years on? How
29:06
Speaker 2: are they managing? I mean, they must be still so traumatized.
29:10
Speaker 2: Do they speak about it often?
29:15
Speaker 8: Of course, we are all still traumatized, not just the
29:18
Speaker 8: three kids. And what we are trying to give them
29:22
Speaker 8: is a.
29:25
Speaker 1: Routine. They are going to school every day. They have
29:28
Speaker 1: their friends.
29:29
Speaker 8: We are trying to build our life together from scratch.
29:34
Speaker 8: And we give them the place, you know, just to
29:40
Speaker 8: be kids. And when they need to talk about it,
29:43
Speaker 8: they can talk about it. This is what we can do.
29:47
Speaker 8: There's nothing that we can do to take that away
29:50
Speaker 8: from them. but we can give them as normal a
29:57
Speaker 8: life as much as possible.
30:00
Speaker 1: This is what we are trying to do for them.
30:03
Speaker 2: Well, you both are so incredible, and thank you so
30:06
Speaker 2: much for speaking on this most difficult of days. We
30:10
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time. Thank you enormously.
30:14
Speaker 1: Thank you.
30:18
Speaker 2: All right, just beyond devastating. Well, coming up is the
30:20
Speaker 2: coalition coming after the university sector's golden goose with their
30:24
Speaker 2: new migration plan. And pro-Palestinian activists trying to hijack the date.
30:29
Speaker 2: We'll get the latest on the protests unfolding right now
30:33
Speaker 2: after the break. Thanks for tuning in. Well, despite national condemnation,
30:41
Speaker 2: the activists have turned out across Australia to try and
30:45
Speaker 2: reclaim October 7th anniversary. This is some sort of sick
30:48
Speaker 2: and twisted way of taking over the date. Well, The
30:51
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph did an exceptional front page on this today,
30:54
Speaker 2: Sydney's Day of Shame, and the editor, Ben English, joins
30:58
Speaker 2: me now. Ben, I mean, heartless rallies, as you say,
31:01
Speaker 2: in the subhead there. Should Chris Minns have done more?
31:05
Speaker 14: He should have done something. He should have done a
31:07
Speaker 14: lot more. Look, yes, constitutionally, it's difficult to stop this
31:13
Speaker 14: on the basis of freedom of speech. But there's already
31:16
Speaker 14: more that's been done in Queensland, for example, from the
31:19
Speaker 14: river to the sea has been outlawed. They haven't done
31:21
Speaker 14: that here. And the excuse that they meter out is that, oh,
31:27
Speaker 14: you're going to make You're basically going to make martyrs
31:30
Speaker 14: out of them, and if they're banned, they're going to
31:31
Speaker 14: say that they're trying to silence them. The best thing
31:34
Speaker 14: to do is to shun them. I just think that
31:37
Speaker 14: everyone who objects to this, and I hope that that
31:40
Speaker 14: would be the overwhelming majority of Australians, should be loud
31:44
Speaker 14: about their condemnation about this. And meanwhile, we should be
31:47
Speaker 14: seeking legal remedies.
31:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should indeed. You've got a reporter at the
31:52
Speaker 2: protest at Town Hall tonight. Of course, three years ago,
31:54
Speaker 2: this protest went from Town Hall to the Upper House.
31:57
Speaker 2: What's happening?
31:59
Speaker 14: Well, it was reasonably peaceful, I think, because there were
32:02
Speaker 14: a lot of eyes on them, a lot of media there.
32:04
Speaker 14: They were quite disciplined. But I have to say that
32:08
Speaker 14: this wasn't a, there weren't a lot of sort of,
32:11
Speaker 14: it was mainly the socialist movement. So a lot of.
32:19
Speaker 2: The woke lefties.
32:20
Speaker 14: The white woke lefties.
32:21
Speaker 2: White woke lefties.
32:22
Speaker 7: Yeah.
32:22
Speaker 14: And although it has to be said there was one
32:25
Speaker 14: man there who was holding up a poster championing Yaya Sinwa.
32:32
Speaker 14: the mastermind of October 7. So that was utterly reprehensible.
32:37
Speaker 14: But for the most part, it was fairly subdued.
32:40
Speaker 2: Your papers exclusively reported that a group wants to actually.....
32:45
Speaker 2: that the Sydney Palestine Action Group, I believe, wants to
32:48
Speaker 2: take Hamas, Hezbollah and even Palestinian Islamic jihad off the
32:52
Speaker 2: government's terrorists. This is what they're campaigning on.
32:55
Speaker 14: And this builds the cat on so much of what
32:58
Speaker 14: we see from... the overall movement, the pro-Palestinian movement, is
33:02
Speaker 14: that there is broad support for these prescribed groups. And
33:07
Speaker 14: let's be clear on this. These are groups that were
33:10
Speaker 14: behind the greatest slaughter of Jewish people since the Holocaust.
33:13
Speaker 13: Yeah.
33:14
Speaker 14: So, yeah, outrageous.
33:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:16
Speaker 2: It's changing tack a bit. I saw this story in
33:19
Speaker 2: your paper today, this amazing One Nation advert. And I thought,
33:22
Speaker 2: I mean, the ads are pretty good, but I thought
33:24
Speaker 2: I'll watch it. And then I was really blown away
33:26
Speaker 2: by the ad because it's very compelling viewing, but very
33:30
Speaker 2: on the line, quite controversial. Let's have a look at it.
33:34
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. Mum, Dad, I have something
33:40
Speaker 2: to tell you.
33:41
Speaker 5: I'm conservative.
33:47
Speaker 2: Nathan, me too. I always have been. I've loved her
33:53
Speaker 2: for 30 years. And it goes on and on, Ben.
33:57
Speaker 2: But it is a bit controversial. But, I mean, you'd
34:00
Speaker 2: watch it. And they're trying to tap into this movement of,
34:03
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like ScoMo had the quiet Australians,
34:06
Speaker 2: you know, the closet One Nation supporters.
34:08
Speaker 14: Yeah, but they're adding an element of humour to it.
34:10
Speaker 14: And I think that's why, like today, there hasn't been
34:13
Speaker 14: much blowback. I was expecting... you know, outfits like the
34:16
Speaker 14: Human Rights Commission and ACMA, et cetera, to absolutely lose
34:20
Speaker 14: their minds at this. And it's actually, and particularly Labor politicians,
34:25
Speaker 14: but I think they're all wrong-footed because they're using humour.
34:29
Speaker 14: And there was some, as you say, some incredibly provocative
34:34
Speaker 14: tropes that were rolled out here. But the response indicates
34:39
Speaker 14: that The left doesn't know how to respond to One
34:42
Speaker 14: Nation now and they've gone from being the outsiders that
34:45
Speaker 14: they felt that they had a social licence to trash
34:49
Speaker 14: to being on the inside now and in the mainstream
34:53
Speaker 14: and being broadly supported by many people across Australia and
34:57
Speaker 14: they don't know how to respond.
34:58
Speaker 2: And the more the left attacks Pauline Hanson or One Nation,
35:03
Speaker 2: the more coverage, the more publicity, it's just.
35:05
Speaker 1: Up she goes.
35:06
Speaker 2: They kind of want that, you know, it builds it.
35:09
Speaker 2: Before you go, let's... Look at your front page tomorrow
35:13
Speaker 2: and tell us about it. This is about the ATO. Yeah.
35:17
Speaker 14: So the ATO, you know, it's been around for a
35:19
Speaker 14: few days that without any notice they've told small businesses
35:23
Speaker 14: you can no longer use your credit card to pay
35:27
Speaker 14: your tax instalment. Now, this is major to small businesses
35:31
Speaker 14: because it's the means by which they maintain their cash
35:33
Speaker 14: flow while they're waiting for payments from clients. Well, the
35:37
Speaker 14: small business minister, Anne Alley, has come out and said, no, no,
35:40
Speaker 14: we need to consult on this and find a way forward.
35:43
Speaker 14: Code for get rid of it.
35:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:46
Speaker 14: And the ATOs doubled down and said, no, no, we're
35:48
Speaker 14: going ahead with it. But it has to be said,
35:51
Speaker 14: the federal government could just get rid of this. They
35:53
Speaker 14: could just tell the ATO we're not doing it.
35:55
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
35:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:57
Speaker 2: Passing the buck. No responsibility, as always.
35:59
Speaker 8: As always.
36:00
Speaker 2: Ben, thank you so much. Great to see you. Good
36:02
Speaker 2: to be here. All right, still to come is time
36:05
Speaker 2: up for Australia's golden economic era. Deloitte seems to think so.
36:08
Speaker 2: And the Coalition's immigration plan threatening to kill the university's
36:13
Speaker 2: golden goose. That's all coming up. One of the world's
36:20
Speaker 2: largest consulting firms, Deloitte, has essentially called it quits on
36:24
Speaker 2: Australia's economic golden era, causing it to downgrade growth forecasts
36:29
Speaker 2: next year to only 1.7%. Deloitte partner Stephen Smith said
36:33
Speaker 2: the warnings from economists fell on deaf ears. He wrote
36:37
Speaker 2: it was good while it lasted. The collective voice of
36:39
Speaker 2: economists has become hoarse from the persistent and consistent pleading
36:43
Speaker 2: for substantial reforms across tax regulation, spending, skills... federal-state relations
36:49
Speaker 2: and the like. And he's saying they've largely been met
36:52
Speaker 2: with a white noise of political constraints. And to discuss
36:56
Speaker 2: this and more, joining me now, Pangana Capital Chief Executive
36:59
Speaker 2: Russell Pillimer. I mean, Russell, he puts it pretty well.
37:02
Speaker 2: Do you think our golden era, for the moment at least,
37:05
Speaker 2: is over?
37:06
Speaker 12: Yes, Sherry, this has been coming for a long time.
37:10
Speaker 12: We've seen week after week things have been deteriorating, but
37:14
Speaker 12: it's actually been happening over a number of years now.
37:17
Speaker 12: And the Australian public has largely been misled on this
37:23
Speaker 12: because they always talk about our GDP growth as being
37:26
Speaker 12: quite adequate, say it's two and a half type percent.
37:30
Speaker 12: But the reality is that's GDP for the whole country.
37:33
Speaker 12: But the population has been increasing a lot. So GDP
37:36
Speaker 12: per capita has only been about one and a half percent.
37:40
Speaker 12: So we've been going really slowly for a long time
37:42
Speaker 12: now and we're falling back compared to the rest of
37:44
Speaker 12: the world.
37:45
Speaker 2: And that's why, of course, people say we're in a
37:47
Speaker 2: per capita recession. It feels so tough at the family
37:50
Speaker 2: level and the individual level.
37:52
Speaker 12: Yeah, and especially if you've got a mortgage.
37:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. Well, today, of course, as we've been
37:56
Speaker 2: talking about all night, is the anniversary of October 7. Now,
38:00
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting. The Albanese government blames its
38:03
Speaker 2: inflation crisis, many other problems on the war in the
38:06
Speaker 2: Middle East. But actually, Israel's economic story, Russell, disproves this.
38:12
Speaker 12: That's absolutely the case, and it's fascinating. So Israel is
38:16
Speaker 12: a tiny country. In fact, Australia is 350 times as
38:20
Speaker 12: large as Israel, and it's got two and a half
38:22
Speaker 12: times the population. Israel has very few natural resources, and
38:26
Speaker 12: we obviously have a real abundance over here. Now, interestingly enough, Israel,
38:31
Speaker 12: in the face of a devastating three-year war, Next year
38:35
Speaker 12: is predicting GDP growth of 5.5%. Massive. Relative to 1.7%,
38:41
Speaker 12: as we were just talking about. But if you look
38:44
Speaker 12: at inflation as well, inflation is under control at 1.8%. Amazing.
38:49
Speaker 12: So really, it's not about the global economy and it's
38:53
Speaker 12: not about global pressures. If you've got a focus and
38:56
Speaker 12: you do things properly, then you can get your own
38:59
Speaker 12: house in order.
39:00
Speaker 2: I mean, Australia is the worst in the major developed
39:02
Speaker 2: economies when it comes to inflation, and the Iceland worse
39:05
Speaker 2: than us. But just looking at why Israel has been successful,
39:10
Speaker 2: because its economy has actually improved, hasn't it, since the
39:13
Speaker 2: war began three years ago?
39:15
Speaker 12: Yes, I think the best measure of that is the
39:18
Speaker 12: Tel Aviv Stock Exchange Index. That's actually up 120% since
39:23
Speaker 12: October 6 until today, so more than doubled in value.
39:27
Speaker 12: By contrast, Australia, the ASX is up about 20%. 25%.
39:31
Speaker 12: So they're almost up about five times what we were up.
39:34
Speaker 12: And that's a good indication. Also, the currency, the shekel,
39:38
Speaker 12: is a lot stronger than the dollar was at that
39:41
Speaker 12: point in time.
39:42
Speaker 2: And why is this?
39:44
Speaker 12: It's just because there is a good, prudent economic management
39:49
Speaker 12: system in Israel. The government is very focused on keeping
39:53
Speaker 12: inflation under control. They focused on the public sector, making
39:57
Speaker 12: sure that they don't spend too much. And also there's
40:02
Speaker 12: a real focus on technology. There's been a lot of
40:05
Speaker 12: great technological inventions coming out of Israel, as we know.
40:11
Speaker 12: But that's driven by incentives. It's driven by an education system,
40:15
Speaker 12: by a university system, et cetera, that encourages all of that.
40:19
Speaker 12: And I think, you know, Australia has a lot to
40:21
Speaker 12: learn from Israel. In fact, you know, perhaps instead of
40:25
Speaker 12: our government bashing the Israeli government, we should be absolutely
40:28
Speaker 12: taking some lessons and doing those same sorts of things
40:31
Speaker 12: over here. It's all about productivity.
40:33
Speaker 2: Taking some economic lessons. Absolutely.
40:35
Speaker 12: It's all about.
40:35
Speaker 2: Defence lessons too.
40:37
Speaker 14: That's for sure.
40:38
Speaker 12: But it's all about productivity. And we know we've got
40:40
Speaker 12: a real productivity problem here. And we need to get
40:46
Speaker 12: working on that. And it starts at practical levels of
40:49
Speaker 12: actually doing things.
40:51
Speaker 2: In terms of global tech companies that have chosen to
40:55
Speaker 2: have secondary bases in Israel, I mean, this is a
40:58
Speaker 2: huge growth area as well, isn't it?
41:01
Speaker 12: Yeah, so Israel has attracted all the big global tech
41:04
Speaker 12: companies to its shores. And some of them have invested
41:08
Speaker 12: really heavily there. In fact, if you look at NVIDIA,
41:11
Speaker 12: the largest company in the world, NVIDIA, since October 7th,
41:15
Speaker 12: had started employing a lot of people in Israel. They
41:20
Speaker 12: currently employ more than 6,000 people in Israel and are
41:24
Speaker 12: increasing that to 10,000 over the next couple of years.
41:27
Speaker 2: Do they have anyone in Australia?
41:29
Speaker 12: I'm sure they have people in Australia, but NVIDIA actually
41:32
Speaker 12: employs more people in Israel than they do in the
41:35
Speaker 12: entirety of Europe.
41:37
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
41:37
Speaker 12: So it's incredible. And it's all about having the right people,
41:41
Speaker 12: having the right incentives, having the right environment in which
41:45
Speaker 12: to attract companies like this.
41:48
Speaker 2: Given it is more powerful today than it was a
41:51
Speaker 2: few years ago, yet its reputation globally is far worse,
41:56
Speaker 2: of course. I mean, does this have something that its
41:59
Speaker 2: economic picture is so strong? Is that to do with
42:02
Speaker 2: Israeli or Jewish, if you like, resilience and work ethic?
42:07
Speaker 12: I think that's certainly part of it. But the other
42:09
Speaker 12: part of it is that there is no option. Israel
42:12
Speaker 12: is under existential threat. It has been since it was founded.
42:16
Speaker 12: And so that drives you to make sound economic decisions.
42:20
Speaker 12: They don't have the ability to be lax in how
42:23
Speaker 12: they act because that could literally be the end of
42:25
Speaker 12: the country. Whereas I guess over here we have an
42:28
Speaker 12: abundance of riches and it's caused complacency, unfortunately.
42:32
Speaker 2: That's such a good point. And, you know, in Australia,
42:36
Speaker 2: many Western countries, the US, we're seeing it under Mamdani
42:39
Speaker 2: that the population is attracted to this welfare state ideology.
42:43
Speaker 2: But Israelis know they've got to do everything themselves. It's
42:46
Speaker 2: such a good point. Russell, great to have you on
42:49
Speaker 2: the show again, as always, on a Wednesday. Thank you
42:51
Speaker 2: so much.
42:51
Speaker 14: Thank you.
42:53
Speaker 2: All right, and after the break, we'll look at the
42:56
Speaker 2: immigration policy and how the university sector is reacting. That's next.
43:06
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, the Coalition's immigration policy is pledging to
43:10
Speaker 2: slash student numbers The university sector isn't too happy about this.
43:15
Speaker 2: To discuss this and more, joining me now, Shadow Education
43:17
Speaker 2: Minister Julian Lisa. Julian, I have to explain to everyone,
43:22
Speaker 2: you're joining us from the commemoration of October 7. That
43:25
Speaker 2: is not your office. It looks like you're in a
43:28
Speaker 2: rabbi's office with religious text sitters behind you. So that
43:32
Speaker 2: explanation there. But let's start with the immigration policy issue. Now,
43:37
Speaker 2: the Coalition plans to cut student visa numbers by 72,000,
43:42
Speaker 2: alongside reducing temporary graduate visas by 261,000. I had Jennifer Westacott,
43:49
Speaker 2: the University of Western Sydney Chancellor, on the show last night.
43:53
Speaker 2: She thought that this could have been done another way
43:55
Speaker 2: with a cap. I mean, Julian, it is undeniable, isn't it,
43:59
Speaker 2: that universities rely on international students for cash, so they're
44:03
Speaker 2: not too happy with this plan?
44:07
Speaker 13: Well, Shari, let's look at the reason we're doing this.
44:10
Speaker 13: We have a situation in Australia where the migration numbers
44:13
Speaker 13: are too high and the standards are too low. And
44:15
Speaker 13: we're bringing too many people in here more than we
44:17
Speaker 13: can house. And that's why Angus Taylor has been very
44:20
Speaker 13: clear in saying that we will reduce the NOM so
44:23
Speaker 13: that it matches the number of houses constructed. The largest
44:26
Speaker 13: component of the NOM is the international education sector, so
44:29
Speaker 13: they have to play their part. Now, what we're doing
44:32
Speaker 13: with this policy is we're refocusing the reason why people
44:36
Speaker 13: should come to Australia in relation to higher education. They
44:39
Speaker 13: should come here for a degree. They shouldn't come here
44:41
Speaker 13: for a migration pathway. They shouldn't come here for other purposes.
44:46
Speaker 13: They should come here for an excellent education experience and
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Speaker 13: and then they should leave. And if they want to
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Speaker 13: come back here as a skilled migrant later to meet
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Speaker 13: a skill shortage in our economy, then they can come
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Speaker 13: here as a skilled migrant. But we're not in the
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Speaker 13: business of higher education institutions selling a pathway to Australian
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Speaker 13: permanent residency and Australian citizenship. That is not the job
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Speaker 13: of universities. It's not the job of higher education institutions.
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Speaker 13: Their job is to educate Australians first and to provide
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Speaker 13: international students with a student experience, which means an education experience.
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Speaker 13: That's what our policy is about.
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Speaker 2: So, Julian, I also want to turn to a letter
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Speaker 2: that you've sent the Albanese government education minister, Jason Clare, today. Now,
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Speaker 2: you're introducing a private member's bill on Monday, as I
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Speaker 2: understand it, and you're asking him to stop taxpayer-funded grants
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Speaker 2: to institutions that promote hatred.
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Speaker 13: That's correct, Shari. I mean, today is the third anniversary
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Speaker 13: of October 7 and there is a direct line between
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Speaker 13: the failures of the government since October 7 and the
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Speaker 13: Bondi terrorist attack on December 14 last year. The epicentre
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Speaker 13: of all of this has been our university campuses. And
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Speaker 13: we've seen too much anti-Semitism go on there and the
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Speaker 13: government failed to take action. So I've written to Jason
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Speaker 13: Clare asking for support for my private member's bill, for
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Speaker 13: the university sector and the Australian Research Council to adopt
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Speaker 13: the IRA definition and for the ARC and universities to
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Speaker 13: penalise people who engage in anti-Semitism under that definition.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see if he responds. I don't imagine they
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Speaker 2: will support that because they haven't taken any action in
46:30
Speaker 2: this area despite repeatedly promising too. As I mentioned, you
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Speaker 2: are joining us from a commemoration tonight. We won't say where,
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Speaker 2: of course, but it's at a major synagogue. Angus Taylor's there.
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Speaker 2: Kelly Sloan spoke, the Israeli ambassador. What else can you
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Speaker 2: tell us about what's been happening tonight?
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Speaker 13: It was a beautiful commemoration. It's still, I don't think
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Speaker 13: it's quite finished yet because I can hear some of
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Speaker 13: the music going on in the background, but there were
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Speaker 13: a number of speakers. The most impressive speeches tonight were
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Speaker 13: made by Kelly Sloan, the opposition leader in New South Wales,
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Speaker 13: and Gerard Healy, the AFL legend, who talked about the
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Speaker 13: fact that too many people in positions of leadership have
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Speaker 13: failed to take action and stand up for the Jewish
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Speaker 13: community in this country and since October 7 and the
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Speaker 13: shame of that. And both Kelly Sloan and Gerard Healy
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Speaker 13: called people out. I also want to say Gerard Healy
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Speaker 13: paid particular tribute to you, Shari, for the wonderful work
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Speaker 13: that you do on this program and Elsevier every night.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's so kind of him. That's really lovely of him.
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Speaker 2: I have to message him to say thank you afterwards.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Julian, when you look at how our nation
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Speaker 2: has changed over the past three years, I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: almost unrecognisable from October 6, 2023.
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Speaker 13: That's exactly right. I mean, this was a country that
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Speaker 13: had a proud record of multiculturalism, which meant that it
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Speaker 13: didn't matter where you were born, who your parents were,
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Speaker 13: the God you worshipped, the person you loved, that there
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Speaker 13: was a place for you in Australia if you wanted
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Speaker 13: to work hard and play by the rules. And that
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Speaker 13: has completely disappeared now as a result of the actions
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Speaker 13: or the inactions of too many people in leadership from
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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister down. And so October 7 obviously commemorates
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Speaker 13: the murders of 1,200 Jewish people, the largest murder of
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Speaker 13: Jewish people in a single day since the Holocaust. It
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Speaker 13: also commemorates a complete turning point in our country. a
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Speaker 13: point in our country's history where we went from being
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Speaker 13: a country which valued all its citizens to a country
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Speaker 13: that has said some of our citizens aren't welcome here.
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Speaker 13: And I think it's terrible that today, on all of
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Speaker 13: all days, that you've got these terrible protests that are
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Speaker 13: going on in other parts of Sydney, resplendent and reminding
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Speaker 13: us of the 8th and 9th of October, 2023.
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Speaker 2: Agree, completely disgraceful. Julie and Lisa, thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time. I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And
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Speaker 2: right now, Caleb Bond filling in for Paul Murray.