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EXCLUSIVE! HEAR IT! "5 KIDS & NO Money and HIS SISTER GETS EVERYTHING." Cult mom Lori Vallow’s FURIOUS TEXT after discovering she loses MILLION DOLLAR LIFE INSURANCE ON DEAD HUBBY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Lorie Valow still has not produced her two beautiful children,
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  Speaker 1: two of several children missing, JJ just seven years old,
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  Speaker 1: entirely seventeen, And in the last hours I heard very
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  Speaker 1: distressing news that she Laurie Valo, who had stated she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to drive the children off a cliff. That just
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  Speaker 1: that was like a dagger to my heart. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace July eleventh, twenty nineteen. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: the kids were doing well, but they witnessed the death
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  Speaker 1: of their father, Charles Valo in Chandler, Arizona. He was
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed by Laurie Valo's brother, a man named
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  Speaker 1: Alex Cox. Alex said the shooting was in self defense,
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  Speaker 1: but the case is still under investigation. This incident started
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  Speaker 1: with an argument, a family argument. Fast forward now to
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  Speaker 1: September twenty third. This is the last time anyone reported
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  Speaker 1: seeing the children, JJ and Tyley at school in Rexburg, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody reported them missing until about two months later.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a little bit, but first
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about Chad day. Belle's wife, Tammy, her dad
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  Speaker 1: tells me she was alive and well. On October fourth,
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  Speaker 1: she drove down from Rexburg to visit her parents in Springville, Utah.
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  Speaker 1: But two weeks later, on October nineteenth, the parents got
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  Speaker 1: a call from Chad saying Tammy went to bed coughing
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  Speaker 1: and never woke up. At the time, doctor said she
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  Speaker 1: died from natural causes at the age of forty nine.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend Adam Herbert's speaking from Fox
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  Speaker 1: thirteen in Utah. Cult mom, so called cult mom, Lorie Valo,
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  Speaker 1: still has not produced her two beautiful children, two of
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  Speaker 1: several children missing, JJ just seven years old and entirely seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: And in the last hours we learn Laurie Valo, who
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  Speaker 1: has been spotted, who has been found hiding out in
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  Speaker 1: Hawaii with her brand new husband, Chad day Bell, had
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  Speaker 1: her missing daughter's cell phone with her when police tracked
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  Speaker 1: her down in Hawaii. And that makes me curious because
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  Speaker 1: I thought her daughter had sent a text to a
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  Speaker 1: friend after she was last seen. But the friends now
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  Speaker 1: say that text doesn't sound like anything Tilely would have sent,
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  Speaker 1: didn't sound like her. And now we're learning that calt
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  Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo tried to sell her little boy, JJ's
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  Speaker 1: service dog. This on top of toys and disturbingly, clothes
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  Speaker 1: and other items belonging to children being put by her
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  Speaker 1: in a storage unit. Where are the children? Joining me?
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer Bobby Chico and former
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  Speaker 1: FBI Karen Stark, New York psychologist Karen Smith, forensics expert
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  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, reporter East Idaho News dot Com and special
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  Speaker 1: guest joining me Larry Woodcock, JJ Valo's grandfather and Kay Woodcock,
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  Speaker 1: his grandmother. Let me first go to Larry and Kay.
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  Speaker 1: So many thoughts and so many prayers with you. This
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  Speaker 1: has been a very long and rugged path when you
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  Speaker 1: learned cult mom as she has called for her beliefs,
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  Speaker 1: that she has been chosen by God to lead others
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  Speaker 1: to a new world, the second Coming of Jerusalem, and
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  Speaker 1: that she is actually sealed for eternity with the alleged
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  Speaker 1: prof fit Moronai long dead, the ancient prophet. Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: right there is a headbander. But I'm worried about your children.
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  Speaker 1: Larry Woodcock, take a listen to this. Law enforcement officers
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  Speaker 1: from Eastern Idaho, along with federal agents and the Kawaii
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  Speaker 1: Police Department, pulled Laurie and Chad over. They were driving
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  Speaker 1: a black suv. They pulled into this resort where I
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  Speaker 1: am standing. They put Chad into one vehicle, Lorie into another.
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  Speaker 1: That's when their vehicle was seized and they had no
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  Speaker 1: way to get home. We had a chance to ask
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  Speaker 1: them so many questions that need answers. Lorie. Nate Eaten
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  Speaker 1: with East Idaho News, can you tell me where your
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  Speaker 1: kids are? Where are your kids? No comment? They've been
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  Speaker 1: missing for four months. You have nothing to say. You're
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  Speaker 1: over here in Hawaii. Where are your children? Yeah? Why
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  Speaker 1: don't you just give us a comment? Just tell us
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  Speaker 1: where they are? Chad? Where are Laurie's kids? What happened
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  Speaker 1: to Tammy? Chad? Can you tell us what happened to Tammy?
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  Speaker 1: Why have you guys been in Hawaii for so long? Listen?
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  Speaker 1: Just tell people what's happening. There's people around the country
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  Speaker 1: praying for your children, praying for you, guys. Why don't
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  Speaker 1: you give us answers? That's great, that's great, that's great
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  Speaker 1: that they're praying for you, praying for your kids. What
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  Speaker 1: you have nothing to say? You are hearing our friend
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  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, reporter East Idaho News dot com. Larry Woodcock,
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of the most recent development she's
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  Speaker 1: remarried to Chad day Bell, who's written twenty five doomsday books.
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  Speaker 1: That's not good. They're hiding out in a luxury resort
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  Speaker 1: in Hawaii and nobody can find You're a grandchildren. You know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: this is the hardest issue K and I have ever
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  Speaker 1: had to deal with. We have a loving, caring, beautiful
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  Speaker 1: grandson that we just absolutely love, and to not be
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  Speaker 1: able to see him talk to him, even with our
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  Speaker 1: iPads and the electronic communication we have today, it is
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  Speaker 1: so hard on us. Kay and I are both taken
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  Speaker 1: this very hard. We have our good days and we
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  Speaker 1: really have some some bad days. Uh. It's just hard
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  Speaker 1: to imagine this until somebody, and I would never ever
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  Speaker 1: ever wish anybody to have this happened to them. It is.
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  Speaker 1: It is so very stressful. Just hearing your voice just
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  Speaker 1: makes my heart hurt. Mister Woodcock, I want to go
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  Speaker 1: to k your wife, JJ's grandma, Financer. I am just
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  Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm just so sorry for what you're going through.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm holding out hope and pray JJ and his
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  Speaker 1: sister Tyler are alive and that she's got them squirreled
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  Speaker 1: away with that cult. Did you have any idea kay
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  Speaker 1: that she had become part of a cult. I can't
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  Speaker 1: say that I knew it was a cult. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess I did, I just never. I mean, I am
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  Speaker 1: the one that started calling it a cult when back when,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, months and months ago, we've been I've
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  Speaker 1: been deeply involved in this for over a year before
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  Speaker 1: even Charles was murdered. When they split up at the
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  Speaker 1: end of January last year in twenty nineteen, Charles told
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  Speaker 1: me these things about one hundred and forty four thousand people,
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  Speaker 1: that Loyd was a god, that Laurie just he's telling
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  Speaker 1: me these things, and I'm just in amazement, like, Charles, no,
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  Speaker 1: are you kidding? Come on now, You're you have to
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  Speaker 1: be exaggerating, and feels like I'm not. I'm telling you
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  Speaker 1: this is what's going on. So anyway, as time moves
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  Speaker 1: forward and I again I see I start seeing things
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  Speaker 1: more and more that are about this cult about I
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  Speaker 1: start learning more about it, and the more I learned,
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  Speaker 1: the scarier it is, And the the scarier it is,
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  Speaker 1: It's just it gets even scarier the more I know.
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  Speaker 1: So I really have tried not to learn much more
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  Speaker 1: about it because I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss, and
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  Speaker 1: right now I need to be as ignorant as I can,
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  Speaker 1: because this is extremely hard to wrap my brain around
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  Speaker 1: and to even think about JJ and where he entirely
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  Speaker 1: might be. I just pray that she has it. My
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  Speaker 1: biggest fear is her reincarnations. I can't remember what they're called.
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  Speaker 1: She's in number four, She's in her fourth time on
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  Speaker 1: this earth right now, and I think that my biggest
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  Speaker 1: fear being that she might have done something to the kids, thinking, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna miss them for a while right now,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe have had Alex do something to them or herself,
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  Speaker 1: and then come back and I'll see them again in
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  Speaker 1: my next life, because that's you know, I have a
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  Speaker 1: mission to do and they're just in the way. That's
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  Speaker 1: my biggest fear right now. Time Stories with Nancy Grace Bailey.
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  Speaker 1: A Golden Doodle puppy was trained as a service dog
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  Speaker 1: for seven year old JJ Vallo, who has autism, but
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  Speaker 1: JJ's mom, Laurie Dave Bell, got rid of the dog
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  Speaker 1: just days before the youngster and his seventeen year old
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  Speaker 1: sister Tyley vanished without a trace last September. Good here
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  Speaker 1: he the dog was returned to its trainer, Neil Mestics,
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  Speaker 1: who says he was shocked because of the close bond
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  Speaker 1: between JJ and Bailey. Bailey helped him stay calm, was
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  Speaker 1: a comfort to him as well. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: that JJ really struggled with and the family shout with
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  Speaker 1: was him sleeping through the night. He would get up
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  Speaker 1: and oftentimes even try and sneak or wander out of
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  Speaker 1: the house. And so when we first introduced Bailey to
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  Speaker 1: the home, that was one of the first nights that
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  Speaker 1: JJ stayed in his bed and slept through the night.
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  Speaker 1: Did it strike you as odd? Then when the mother
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  Speaker 1: returned the dog to you, it was really puzzled by
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  Speaker 1: it all. And as I inquired, she just said, it's
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  Speaker 1: all too hard to talk about. I'm sorry, I just
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  Speaker 1: can't go over at into it with you. You are
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  Speaker 1: hearing or for an inside edition. Little JJ Joshua Valo
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  Speaker 1: is a seven year old special needs son. Family has
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  Speaker 1: not been able to speak with JJ since September. Let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you this, Kay Woodcock, his grandma, Why did
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  Speaker 1: he need a companion dog? Why did he what did
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  Speaker 1: the dog do for him? Because even if she has
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  Speaker 1: them squirreled away with his cult. Wouldn't he need his dog.
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  Speaker 1: He would need his mother, his father, he would need
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  Speaker 1: hit us, He would need everybody that that loves him
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  Speaker 1: and that is in his life all the time, not
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  Speaker 1: some strange family. Um. God only knows, who knows nothing
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  Speaker 1: about him. And I just can't imagine how he feels
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  Speaker 1: if he is somewhere like that and his and Bailey.
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  Speaker 1: What did the dog do for dog? Bailey was his buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Bailey slept with him, Bailey played with him. JJ. He
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  Speaker 1: just was always there next to JJ. If JJ was up,
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  Speaker 1: Bailey was right there with him. And I mean they
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  Speaker 1: just did everything together. And you know, I have some
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  Speaker 1: videos of him walking Bailey, but it's not Bailey, JJ
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  Speaker 1: walcing Bailey, Bailey Bailey pulling JJ. So with the leashawn Um,
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  Speaker 1: Bailey was comfort to JJ and and he just helped
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  Speaker 1: ease his anxiety because JJ was very anxious, being autistic,
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the characteristics that he experienced. And so Bailey,
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  Speaker 1: m Bailey was his best friend. If you think about it, Charles,
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  Speaker 1: they murdered Charles July eleven, and JJ adored Charles and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, less than a month later there they are,
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  Speaker 1: Laurie has j Bailey for sale in a in an
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  Speaker 1: online somewhere, and then they leave in August thirtieth and
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  Speaker 1: then whatever date. Then JJ is lost his dog that day.
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  Speaker 1: So in that short time, that little autistic boy that
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  Speaker 1: on a normal child, that would be very stressful. And
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  Speaker 1: so the impact of losing his dad and his best
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  Speaker 1: friend Bailey has just I can't imagine how he feels.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine. We know that Charles Valoe wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get the service dog to help his son JJ with autism.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Laurie Valo put Bailey up for sale
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  Speaker 1: for twenty five hundred dollars, and then she disappears to
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  Speaker 1: a luxury resort in Hawaii with her brand new husband,
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  Speaker 1: aunt Charles day Belle the Doomster, and the children disappear.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed, Kay, you said Charles Valo was murdered. The
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  Speaker 1: only two witnesses other than Laurie Valo are the children
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  Speaker 1: to what really happened to the uncle? Alex? What when
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  Speaker 1: you say Charles Valot was murdered, what do you mean
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  Speaker 1: by that? I mean he walked into the house to
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  Speaker 1: get JJ. They said that Charles brought JJ for the
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  Speaker 1: car and then went back into the house because he
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  Speaker 1: left his phone in there and or something to that effect.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't believe that Charles would have confronted Alex
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  Speaker 1: or I just all of what was said is all
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. It's not characteristic of Charles. Just
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing isn't doesn't make sense because Laurie is
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  Speaker 1: saying she was in the kitchen and she heard the shot,
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  Speaker 1: So how could she be in the kitchen when she
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  Speaker 1: had left with the kid, which is what Alex originally said.
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  Speaker 1: It's just because is my understanding according to Laurie Valoe
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  Speaker 1: that her husband was attacking her, and then this is
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  Speaker 1: her story, Charles Value attacking her, and then her brother,
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  Speaker 1: her blood brother, Cox comes in and shoots down Valoe
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  Speaker 1: in self defense. But yet you're telling me Laurie said
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  Speaker 1: she was in the kitchen when Alex Cox shot her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallee, and now Alex Cox is dead as well.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to her brother, her blood brother, hot.
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  Speaker 1: I turned around and he hit me in the back
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  Speaker 1: of the head with the bathroom so I went to
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  Speaker 1: my room and got my gun. So you went to
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  Speaker 1: your room, meaning your room, you're staying in Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you brought your broader gun with you? Do you always
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  Speaker 1: bring the gun? I can still carry always, okay, saying Hi,
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  Speaker 1: who are are you? Okay? Just standal with it for
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  Speaker 1: just a second, guys, And then uh, I told him
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  Speaker 1: put the bat down, and he wouldn't, and he came
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  Speaker 1: at me and get to wipe the show up his walk.
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  Speaker 1: So you told him to put the So where are
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  Speaker 1: you at it? Where where are you at now? Did
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  Speaker 1: you stay in your bedroom? No? Okay? Why didn't you
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  Speaker 1: stay just in your bedroom? Closed the door? So that's
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  Speaker 1: something you didn't think about or turn to me? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so walk me through it. So you go back in
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  Speaker 1: your room, went back to the liberally, what is your
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  Speaker 1: problem with the gun? Yes? And I said I want
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  Speaker 1: you put that back down. He wouldn't do it, and
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  Speaker 1: he's like, and he came at me, put the bat
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  Speaker 1: again after you've already hit you in the head. So
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  Speaker 1: I saw him to stop him. Kay Woodcock. Were the
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  Speaker 1: children home when their dad shot? I believe they were.
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  Speaker 1: I pray more than anything that JJ was not a
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  Speaker 1: witness to that, that JJ didn't see Charles laying dead
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  Speaker 1: on the floor. She did take JJ to school as
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  Speaker 1: soon as it happened. Well, let me understand that Charles
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  Speaker 1: Valoe gets shot dead, and then she takes JJ to
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  Speaker 1: school immediately. She even goes in Charles's rental car to
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  Speaker 1: take JJ. Stought. According to reports, the children were home
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  Speaker 1: at least JJ Larry Woodcock. This is JJ's grandfather. That
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  Speaker 1: means a potential witness to the shooting of Charles Valoe
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  Speaker 1: is missing at the hand of Laurie Valoe. That is correct.
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  Speaker 1: We hope and pray constantly that JJ in in a sense.
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  Speaker 1: Our hope is that he is with a family, and
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  Speaker 1: that high hope and pray that he never saw this happen.
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  Speaker 1: But it is her. It's just hard. There's some dancing,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many lives. If Laurie Valo opens her mouth,
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  Speaker 1: it's basically a lie. We have seen it on tape.
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  Speaker 1: We have everything she does. Every person we've ever talked
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  Speaker 1: to that was involved in the shooting after it happened,
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  Speaker 1: literally every one of them got a different story from
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  Speaker 1: from her. Even her son, her own son. She lied
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  Speaker 1: to her own son, the man that raised her son,
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  Speaker 1: and and and she she lied to him, and he
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  Speaker 1: had to go back twice to understand why she even
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  Speaker 1: lied about about it at all. And and he's devastated.
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  Speaker 1: All of us are devastated because Charles two sons, two
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  Speaker 1: oldest sons, two of the finest young men you'll ever meet.
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  Speaker 1: She's instead of picking up the phone and saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: there's been an incident. Your dad is dead, she sent
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  Speaker 1: him a text the next day, twenty four hours later,
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  Speaker 1: thirty hours later, I'm sorry. She sent a text thirty
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  Speaker 1: hours later saying your dad is dead. Time stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Did you do something to your children? Are
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: your children still alive? That's a simple question. I've got
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  Speaker 1: three kids in my own I can tell you every
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  Speaker 1: minute where my kids are at. Where are your children?
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  Speaker 1: What do you guys plan to do now? Are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna you have five days to get your children in
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  Speaker 1: front of a judge and rex work? Then? What are
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  Speaker 1: you guys innocent of any crimes? Have you committed any crimes? Chad?
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  Speaker 1: You guys have a lot to say on your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have anything to say now, Laurie, do you
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  Speaker 1: believe that you were instructed by God or others to
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  Speaker 1: do something for your children? If you could give a
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  Speaker 1: message to them, what would you say, listen, if you
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  Speaker 1: just talk to us, we'll leave you alone. Jammy's family
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  Speaker 1: is very worried. Laurie, your mother Kay came out. Kay
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  Speaker 1: and Larry. They're offering a twenty thousand dollars reward for
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  Speaker 1: your children. And you're over here on the beach. This
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  Speaker 1: is your chance to tell your story. Nothing you want
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to say, one last chance right here. Anything you want
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  Speaker 1: to say to the people in Idaho. Laura, you have
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of cash there in your baggy. Were you
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: guys planning to leave Hawaii? Were we planning to take off?
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend Nate Eton, reporter, East Idaho
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  Speaker 1: News dot com. If you take a look at divorced
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  Speaker 1: documents as we have, you learn the Laurie Valoe now
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  Speaker 1: day Bell informed her husband that she was a God
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  Speaker 1: I signed to carry out the work of the selected
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four thousand at Christ's second coming
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  Speaker 1: this July twenty twenty, and that if Charles got in
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  Speaker 1: her way, she would murder him. Laurie Valoe day Bell
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  Speaker 1: also informed the dad that she is a quote translated
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  Speaker 1: being who cannot taste death, sent by God to leave
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five thousand, one hundred forty four
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  Speaker 1: thousand into the millennium. She believes she is receiving spiritual
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  Speaker 1: revelations and visions to help her gather and prepare the
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  Speaker 1: chosen to live in the new Jerusalem after the Great
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  Speaker 1: War that we can read about in the Book of
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  Speaker 1: Revelations now. Charles Valo, now dead, says he was on
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  Speaker 1: a business trip to Houston when Laurie told him she
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  Speaker 1: would kill him when he returned, and quote had an
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  Speaker 1: angel there to dispose of his body well. As a
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  Speaker 1: matter of fact, Charles was killed in an altercation allegedly
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: an altercation at Laurie Valo's home in Arizona when he
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: went to go pick up their son JJ. While there.
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  Speaker 1: According to their account, Laurie Valo's brother Alex Cox, shot Charles,
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  Speaker 1: claiming self defense. Take a listen to this our friends
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  Speaker 1: at CBS. As authorities work to find out what happened Joshua,
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  Speaker 1: JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan, they're looking into the past
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  Speaker 1: of Chad day Bell, now married to the children's mother.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo d be self published more than twenty five
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: books from this Idaho home, many about his brush with
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: death and the end of the world. His preachings are
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: what first attracted Valo. In a skype interview, the missing
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: girl's aunt says Valo became obsessed with doomsday scenarios, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: she says, sometimes I think it would just be better
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: just to get pull my kids in a car and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: go off the side of a play. Valow moved to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Idaho to be with day Bell after her previous husband,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Charles Valot, died of suspicious causes last summer in Arizona.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Dave Belle's wife, Tammy, also died under mysterious circumstances last fall.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: The sheriff in Fremont County, Idaho is investigating. So there's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a chance here that Laura could have also played a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: role in this death along with tad. Oh, there is
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: one chance that that has occurred in one of the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: things that we are looking at very closely. Wait a minute.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: The only potential witness was little JJ, their artistic son.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: He's gone missing for dog, his trained dog to help
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: him with his autism. She tried to sell the dog,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: then she took off. Nobody can find j J or Tiley.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Now the only witness gone. Alex Cox, the brother well,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: he died too to Nate Eaton joining me reporter east
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Idahoo News dot com on the story. From the beginning,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he managed to help track down Laurie Vallo and her
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: new husband, Chad Dave Belle. I've seen their wedding pictures
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: of them all dressed in white with flowers on the beach,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: kind of dancing the hula. This is while their children
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: are missing. Nate Eaton, what's the cause of death of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the brother Alex Cox? How did he die? And while
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: we're on it, what happened to Joseph Ryan. He died
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of a heart attack. I guess what happened God, that's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a great question. We're still waiting the autopsy results on
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, her previous husband, her third husband,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: who died of the heart attack. He was cremated pretty
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: quickly after his death, so we'll never know anything more
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: than what happened there. And Charles, who was shot. He
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: was also cremated shortly after his death. So she's on
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: her fifth husband now. As you mentioned, these photos have
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: surfaced to them on the beach. One thing we need
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to remember too is her new husband, Chad. His wife, Tammy,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in her forties, very healthy, worked at the school library.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Everybody loved her. She died in her sleep mid October.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Those photos of them on the beach were taken within
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a month of her death, within days of her funeral
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in Idaho. They're over in the beach, dancing the hula,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: dressed in white, having this marriage ceremony performed. So you've
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: got three deaths within a matter of months between the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: two people that are now in Hawaii, along with the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: two missing children. Well, let me end this up. You've
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: got see I'm not ruling out the other husband, her
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: fourth husband, Tylie Ryan's dad, Joseph Ryan, and the heart
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: attack because I don't know what happened there. I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was it a heart attack, I don't know. You've got
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: him dead. You've got the wife, Tammy Daybill, who's training
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: for a marathon, dies in her sleep, in her forties.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: She's a young woman in the prime of her life,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: healthy as a horse, dies in her sleep. Then you've
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: got Charles Valo shot dead by Alex Cox, lay Valo's brother.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Now Alex Cox is dead. What's his cod We don't
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: know that. Nate Eaton. They're waiting on autopsies for him.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: We're also waiting on an autopsies for Tammy. They actually
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: buried her in the ground. The corner showed up. They
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: ruled her death natural causes, had the funeral buried her
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: in the ground. Once the law enforcement authorities in Idaho
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: got word of what was happening down in Arizona, is
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: hold up, we might need to do something. So they
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: assumed her body from the cemetery and her autopsy is
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: currently being performed. That was supposed to be back two
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to three weeks ago in December, right, December eleven. Yeah, Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: they've been waiting for that for quite some time. We
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: were expecting that, but it hasn't come in yet. The
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's anxious to see what there was for autopsy. Rate
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Eton get in there and Nate get in there. You know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to Larry and Kay Woodcock.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I heard very distressing needs Larry that she Laurie Vale,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: who had stated she wanted to drive the children off
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a cliff. That just that was like a dagger to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: my heart. Where did that come from? Is that reliable?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Would she have said that? Well, we really don't know.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: We've heard that same thing, that same statement, and if
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it is true, my god, you know what what is this?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: What is this woman drinking? What is she? What does
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: she ate? And at this point it's it. This is
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: all hurtful enough. Um, you know, Kay and I lived
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this twenty four hours a day, seven days a week,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and it certainly has taken its toll on our health.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And to hear something like that that was supposedly spoken
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: by her is just you're you're past the bottom of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the barrel. You know, you're down in You're down in
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: hall talking like that. Clime stories with Nancy Grace, so
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: called cult Mom. G Lori Valow still has not produced
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: her two beautiful children, two of several children missing, JJ
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: just seven years old, entirely seventeen, And in the last
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: hours I heard very distressing news that she, Laurie Valo,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: had stated she wanted to drive the children off a cliff.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That just that was like a dagger to my heart.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to Larry and Kay Woodcock.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Larry and Kay, I don't know if you know, this
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was a crime victim when my fiancee was murdered, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I never thought i'd marry and have children. Finally had
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: children at age forty eight. They were mirror a miracle.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Two miracles. I thought somebody would even say that, even
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: thank it. It just it's always too much for me
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to take in. Tell me something like I just can't.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Larry and Kay, I don't know if you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: this was a crime victim when my fiancee was murdered,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and I never thought i'd marry and have children. Finally
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: had children at age forty eight. They were mirror a miracle,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: two miracles. The thought somebody would even say that, even
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: think it. It just it's almost too much for me
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to take in. Tell me something, Larry, You've got to
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: be holding out hope that she has them hidden somewhere
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: with that cult. We read about scientology all the time,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: how they enlist, they put their children in the church,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in the sea orgs and make them work and make
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: them part of the cult. Do you think that's what's
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: happened to Every day, every moment that we think about that,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: it never leaves our head. Our prayers are that those
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: two children are alive, Our hopes are that they are alive.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And I keep waiting for the phone call one day
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: from one person that says I know where those kids are,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: but I can also tell you that it is it
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: is hard on us to maintain that thought when there
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing be heard from it. Also, the worst
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: thing that happened was that Alex died, because I personally
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: believe the history of this story, the outcome of this
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: story died with him, and I just it hurts beyond
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: our ability to tell you how bad this hurts us.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: And for that moment thought that we have every day
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that I can hear j JA, Papa, Mamma, mamma. You
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: know that's that's the two words that we want to hear.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And I just hope and pray that someday here soon
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: we can hear that. Well, I've got to ask you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a question, Larry, were y'all on good terms with Lorie Valo?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know she's a complete nut, and I
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: don't know how he can be on any kind of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: real good terms with somebody that you you don't know
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: if they're up or down, or what they believe or
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: how they're treating the old. But had y'all had any
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: arguments with them, why would she keep you guys away
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: from JJ. Laurie was probably one of the best mothers
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that I've been around. There's two Lauries. You have to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: speak of I speak, and I am speaking right now
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of Laurie, the good Laurie when she and Charles got married,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and Laurie was just a wonderful mother. You couldn't ask
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: for a better mother. She was healthy, she was able
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to be involved in the kids' lives and always, she
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: was extremely athletic. She was caring, she was loving, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: she and Charles made the absolute best parents that we knew.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: But it also goes back. We would have never, ever,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: ever let j be adopted by them if we had
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: a hint of problems. They were both churchgoing, they were
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: both involved in their church. Charles loved JJ as he
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: loved his two oldest children, his two oldest boys. And
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I've seen the love that he had for them. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: just don't understand how she got twisted around and became
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: a member of this domsday cult. To Nate Eaton reporter
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: East idahoanes dot com, what was her demeanor when you
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: managed to help track her down in Hawaii. Well, we
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: found her at this resort. The police had just servedced
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: her to warrant on her SUV. She was with Chad.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: They were wearing you know, Hawaiian garb beached gear and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: she saw me and we approached her with a camera
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and for three minutes, I asked her twenty nine questions
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: following her into this resort, and she only responded to one.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: First she said no comment. And then a little while
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: later when I said, people all over the world they're
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: praying for your children, they're praying for you, and she
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: said that's great, and that was the only thing she said.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: She kept a stone cold, sober face. Chad was very serious.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I did ask him, you know what happened to Tammy?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: How did Tammy die? And at that point there was
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: somewhat of a reaction on his face, kind of a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: reaction of disgust. I guess you could say she didn't
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: want to talk to us. And the police described her
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: as lasers coming out of her eyes when they when
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they approached her, that she was very cold. I've got
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a big problem JJ's grandmother. I got a big problem
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in that she is dressed up in this beautiful dress
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and doing the hula on the beach with a lay
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: around her neck with the new husband. I guess husband
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: number five not judging Chad day Belle, And where are
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the children? Who's taking care of them? They're snugged up
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in a Hawaiian resort. According to Nate Eaton with East
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com, where are the children. They don't
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: have their toys, they don't have their clothes, their backpacks,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: their belongings, They're all put in storage. The service dog gone.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: She Laurie Vallo has her daughter's cell phone, and I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: suspect has been sending fake text messages allegedly from her
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: daughter to other people to pretend the daughter, Tylie, is fine.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So if she's a great mom, and I have no
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: reason to disbelieve Larry Woodcock. In fact, I do believe
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: every single word he said. Why is she living it
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: up on a Hawaiian beach and refusing to tell you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: guys where JJ is Nancy? I believe that this is all.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you something. I'm gonna I want to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: tell you something, just you just bear with me on
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: this that I haven't admitted publicly since all this has happened.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: So back last Segruary, the January thirtieth or thirty first
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of last year, Laurie took off. That's when she and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Charles separated, and that's when I started got really involved
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: helping Charles with JJ and Phoenix. I live in Lake Charles.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: We live in Lake Charles, Louisiana. So anyway, I was
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: back and forth to Phoenix with Charles helping him with JJ.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: JJ was back and forth to Lake Charles, just trying
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to get things situated, get their lives situated, because Laurie
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: was gone fifty eight days, never a phone call, never attacks, nothing.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So let's fast forward back in February. Charles and I
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: had a conversation and he has he had a million
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: dollar life insurance policy at that point, and lawyer was beneficiary.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: He and I had a conversation one day and he
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: said he wanted me to be the beneficiary, and I
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: actually didn't want the responsibility, but I was like, just
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: let Cole, you know, let them, let the boys, you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: leave it to them, and you know they'll do what's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: right with it. And he said, well, I figure that
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: with what's Laurie's saying. She doesn't want JJ anymore, she
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't want me, So you know, I feel like you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and Larry will end up back with JJ again to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: raise to finish raising, and I don't know that he'll
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: ever be able to live independently again. So as an
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: adult so I want you to have that money, and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and he told me how to split it, and knowing
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I would follow through with what he wanted with his wishes,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and so he that was the conversation. He said, I'm
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: going to change in the beneficiary. Well I just that
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: was the end of the conversation. Never discussed it again,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and he at July eleventh, they murdered him. July fifteenth,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Lawyer's on the phone with the insurance company. That was
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: on the Thursday they murdered him. Then the the Monday,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: she's on the phone the insurance company. They tell us
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: she's not the beneficiary. UM, I get a phone call.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I never called in. I never knew if he followed
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: through and actually changed the change, took her off as
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: beneficiary and named either the boys or me or whomever.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Um I got to call from the insurance company. They said,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you're the sole beneficiary. And so we were so grateful,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: only mainly for the fact that Laurie was not the beneficiary.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: We know that's why she killed him, absolutely no, that's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: why she killed him. She wanted that million dollars and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: because that's all this is about. So then I can't
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: tell you the exact date, but maybe two weeks later,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: she sent a she took a screen of picture of
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the change of beneficiary form and naming me the sole
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: beneficiary of the insurance policy of the insurance proceeds, and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: she texts she sent me that picture, and she sent
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: a text saying five kids and no money and his
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: sister gets everything. And that is the last, not transaction,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the last contact I've ever had with Laurie since all this,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: since all this began. Okay, that's a lot to take in.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: That is a lot to take in what she if
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: she had I do believe that if Charles had left
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: her the million dollars, she would have already dumped JJ
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: back with us, and I would have been extremely happy,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: because there's no amount of money in the world that
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: is worth JJ. There's He's worth more than anything in
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the world to us. And obviously, you know, she has
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: a price on people and their values, and if they're
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: no longer a value to her, it seems she she
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: eliminates them. So I that that is what's happened, and
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that is why. So if you put the pieces together,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: guess what it's about the dollars, And it's about the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: fact that we got it, and she did not, and
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: so therefore she was absolutely bound and determined to hurt us,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and she used JJ. That was her That was her revenge.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: To Nate eaton East Idahones dot com. What do you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: make of it, Well, I'm just hearing that for the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: first time. But based on what others have said about Lorie,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: this is not too surprising. You know, when we found
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: her in Hawaii, they were living in a gated community
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: with homes over a million dollars. They were in nice
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: rental cars. In fact, when we saw her, when she
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: was pulled over and walking with us, she had a
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: bag full of cash, a big wat full of cash,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and a plastic bag. And from what we understand from
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: some of Charles Valo's ex wives, who speak very highly
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: on him, by the way, and say he was not
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a violent man, and he was a semi pro baseball player.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: He was going to attack somebody with a baseball bat,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: he would make sure that harm was caused to them
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: they would not be able to fight back. But his
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: ex wife tells me that Marie never worked a day
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: in her life except working in the hairdresser years and
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: years ago. So if she never worked a day in
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: her life, how how this money and what Kay has
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: just said, you know, would would make sense that maybe
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: is all about trying to get this life insurance money.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: And we're all we also know that Chad Davel's wife,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Tammy had a life insurance policy as well when she
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: died of quote natural causes in her sleep. You know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's overwhelming. I've heard so much about the cult,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the Doomsday cult, but traditional thinking is who benefits from
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a death, typically financially, Bobby Chicone have we all been blind?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Is this all about the money? Keeping in mind, Lorie
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Valo day Bell has not been charged in any murders
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: or any felonies. The reasons she hasn't been extradited back
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to Idaho is because all there is on her right
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: now is contempt of court for not showing up with
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the children. Extraditions usually require a felony. Bobby Chicohn, Is
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: it about money? Well, it certainly looks that way when
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you look at the objective facts and you hear what
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: we just heard about the life insurance proceeds and that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: she thought she was going to receive them and there
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: was a surprise to her that she didn't. So yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: of course, you always look at who benefits from someone's death,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: and they obviously have a financial motive in that person's death.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So that leads investigators to certain things and you start looking.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And but you know Nancy before that, you know in
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: this developing possibly developing psychosis of hers, that she thought
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: she was the savior and things like that. I mean,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: where in the system when we watching out for the children.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Where in the system when they're going through a contentious
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: divorce and child custody is going to be an issue,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: does a judge not step in and say, we need
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to remove these children from this situation and protect them
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: because we may have an independent psychological evaluation should have
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: been conducted based on some of the allegations that he
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: was making against his wife, and those children were left
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: in a dangerous situation. And to me, we still don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: do enough to protect the children in these situations. And
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I know there is an overwhelming feeling of keeping the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: children in the home, keeping them with a biological parent.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: But sometimes when you have evidence that one of the parents,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: particularly the custodial parent, has some developing psychosis, possibly you
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: need to err on the side of caution and remove
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: those children from that situation that was not done in
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: this case, even though there were indicators that that could
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: possibly be the case. Karen, start, your psychologists. Have we
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: been blind? We've been focusing so much on her being
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a member of this cult. What about the stunning development
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that Kay Woodcock has just told us about. Well, it
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: would that would lead you to believe that this whole delusional,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the whole psychosis that we're talking about, maybe fake to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: some extent. Nancy, because I know that I think I'm
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: correct when I read that she said that her son
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: was dead, that he wasn't alive, that people had reported that, Well, well, yes,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Nate Eton, is that right? Yes? No, hasn't she told
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: people that one of her children have passed away? I
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: think she's referring to Tyley and then said she didn't
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: have any other minor children. Didn't she say that? Yeah?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: You're correct about that, Nancy. Also, Chad Dave Belle has
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: reportedly told people when his associations with or that they
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: had children, that she had no children. So not only
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: has LORI said that, but Chad has reported we also
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: said that that she has no children. So, Karen Smith,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the only way to get Lorie Valo back in the
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: jurisdiction is if there's a felony charge against her, which
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: right now there's nothing of the sort. It all goes
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: back to where are the children? But she is the
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: mom and she can squirrel them away if she wants to,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: regardless of the pain is causing the grandparents. But then
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you've got the Alex, the brother's death, you've got the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: husband's death, You've got Tammy death, Tammy Daville's death. Would
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: that be a route of investigation in order to hang
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: a felony charge against Lorie Valo. Yeah, they're going to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: have to go in and the autopsies are going to
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: be the telltale financy. That's what we're waiting on. Alex Cox.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: He was you know, the autopsy was performed after he died.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So the toxicology is I'm sure what is holding up
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the autopsy results at this point? What are they testing for?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: That's the problem is that opiates, amphetamines, cocaine, barbiturates, heavy metals, pesticides.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: They have to they have to root through all of
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: those possible causes along with everything else in the autopsy.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell is going to be more difficult. Tammy was
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: exhumed meaning that ostensibly she was had from aldehyde, was
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: preserved from aaldehyde before she was buried. That is going
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to make toxicology extraordinarily difficult. Formaldehyde is an extremely reactive
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: chemical substance. The blood and urine that would normally be
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: there for autopsy is gone. So now they have to
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: go in and take samples of that formalin solution preserved
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: organs from her body, and they have to root through
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: all that formaldehyde to find out if there's any substances
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: in her So yeah, yeah, big problems. Yeah, big problems,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: big problems. Let me understand something to Kay would cock
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: on a life insurance we know that Laurie Valoe had
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: been named the beneficiary million dollar life insurance, then you
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: believe she was taken off as beneficiary. You stated something
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: about her being miffed, to put it, Miley, about being
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: taken off as beneficiary. How do you know Why do
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: you believe she was upset? Because that was her That
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: was the whole endgame was to get that life insurance money.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: And I truly believe that at that point she would
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: have given JJ to us, and I mean that's just
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: my speculation in this, and then she would have been
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: free to go live on the beach and do what
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: she wanted to do with the million dollars. I mean it,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: just what if anything did she say about what about
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: about not being the beneficiary? All? All she said was
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: that she she obviously ran across that life that change
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: of beneficiary form and Charles's papers that she had. That
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: she must have been digging because she I'm sure it
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't on the top of anything, because Charles wouldn't have
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: wanted her to know she wouldn't have beneficiary. But um,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I just believed that there was. She didn't say anything
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: other than that text I got that with the picture
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: of the change of beneficiary forum naming me and that
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: five kids and no insurance money and his sister gets everything.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: That's all. That's all. That's all I've ever heard from
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: her five sisters. Wait, what did the texts say? Five
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: kids and no money and his sister gets everything, meaning me,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and then she just and then she disappears. That's it,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: you know, in my mind, Bobby Chicone, that is a
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: smoking gun. Oh absolutely, And like I said, when whenever
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you can provide a financial incentive. And by the way,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: she didn't know. This proves that she didn't know, she
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't the beneficiary, so in reality she thought she was
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the beneficiary. So she thought she had a financial motive
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: if her ex as soon to be ex husband was
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: murdered or killed. Um, so not murdered necessarily, but in
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: his death she had a financial She thought at the
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: time in her mind that she had a financial benefit
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: if he died. And and so that's that in itself
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: is motive. Um. Now you know the frustration this case.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, child abandonment is a felony in Idaho.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Now it's not often pursued, but it's a it is
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: a tool that they could use in this case. Um,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: they could charge Laurie Vala with child abandonment and make
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: her you know, I mean, it's it's a tough, tough
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: case because, like you said, they only have contempt of
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: court on her now it's not a felony. Extradition is
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: not available, but there are other remedies or other other tools.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: They'd be very hard to use. But you know, as
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: an investigator, the frustration level is so high you're trying
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: to grasp but anything you can to force this person
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: before a legal body and force her to answer questions
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and and tell us where these children are, and so
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: you have to start looking him and even obscure methods
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: of doing that. And so I'm you know, I'm hoping
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: they're looking at any possible way of extracting her back
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: putting her in jail until you know she can provide
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: proof of the whereabouts and wellbeing of these children. Kathleen Murphy,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer white in Nancy. I agree with
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: your former speaker who speaks about why wasn't ch Charles
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: dallow given the custody of this little boy. He had
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: filed documents with the courts alleging that he feared for
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: his life. He allowed that he feared for the safety
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of his child. He alleged that she had a mental breakdown,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the psychosis, and yet I can't find where any orders
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: were entered protecting this little boy. And hindsight is twenty twenty.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: But my role today every day that I come into
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: courts to protect the children to the best of my ability,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and to defend and zealously represent these children when they're
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a situation that could be dangerous,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: potentially could be dangerous. And the facts were there, the
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: evidence was there, and I'll understand what happened such that
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: this child fell through the cracks and was not protected
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: by his father, that his father was not given the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: opportunity to protect him. To Larry Woodcock, what is your
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: message to JJ right now? JJ? You know Pap Paul's number,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: You know my phone number. Gift any way possible find
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: a Paul. Call me Hyley, get that phone number. Call
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: call the authorities. Please call the authorities. Let us know
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: where you're at. We will be there. Authorities will be
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: there as quick as possible. We want you home, We
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: want you safe. Please call Aunt to Kay what call?
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: What is your message right now to JJ? JJ? Mama
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: loves you and we want you home. And Maddie misses you,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: and and Aunt Susan misses you, and we just want
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: you home. And Ranger is missing you, and Mama loves you.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls and our prayers go
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: on for the missing children, JJ and Tyley Tip line
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  Speaker 1: one eight hundred eight four three five six seven eight
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: one eight hundred eight forty three five six seven eight,
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  Speaker 1: or go to find JJ entirely dot com. Nancy Grays
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  Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,