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Twelve Dates 'Til Christmas S1 Ep 3 & 4 · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: This is a bramble Jam podcast. Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark,
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  Speaker 1: a Hallmark review podcast. I'm Megan and I'm a longtime
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  Speaker 1: Hallmark fan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Wendy. I'm a former Hallmark hater.
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  Speaker 1: On today's episode, we are discussing Twelve Dates Till Christmas
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  Speaker 1: episodes three and four, which originally aired on the Hallmark
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  Speaker 1: Channel on Friday, December twelfth, and is currently available to
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  Speaker 1: stream on Hallmark Plus. Hey, you're gonna want to be
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  Speaker 1: following us on Instagram because we did announce that the
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  Speaker 1: Countdown to Christmas Bracket is coming back for the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five count Down to Christmas season. That fan driven
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  Speaker 1: about how we're running it. Just like text a friend,
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  Speaker 1: tell someone else. Wendy is one negative common away from
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  Speaker 1: shutting the entire thing down.
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  Speaker 3: So just have a good time with it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to do it too.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's fun.
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  Speaker 2: It's so fun. I don't think there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: any big surprises this year in terms of like when
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  Speaker 2: we get down to our final fours.
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  Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, but I am I don't
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  Speaker 1: think in my opinion that there is a clear runaway
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  Speaker 1: winner at this point, Like I think, yeah, the Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a vision of what the winner is?
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  Speaker 2: I kind of do, but I'm not gonna say it
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  Speaker 2: out loud, not now.
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  Speaker 1: I won't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to sway anybody. And we still
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  Speaker 2: have just a few more movies from Homemarks, so we
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  Speaker 2: could get real surprise late entry indeed into the mix.
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  Speaker 3: So who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Who knows? Yeah, give us a follow up Instagram. We
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  Speaker 1: Com slash Megan and Wendy. Well, let's hear a synopsis
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  Speaker 1: for our two episodes of twelve Dates Till Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Episode three tis the season for Karma. Kate confronts past
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  Speaker 2: dating patterns as she matches with someone she ghosted. Mac
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  Speaker 2: and Evelyn road trip to Brighton and Callum holds a
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  Speaker 2: pop up at the Episode four'tis the season for Mama Drama.
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  Speaker 2: Kate's mother, Delilah shows up for a holiday visit, throwing
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  Speaker 2: Mack and Kate for a loop. History repeating itself causes
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  Speaker 2: Callum and Kate to remember their past.
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  Speaker 1: Episode three was written by Zach Hug. You might recall
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  Speaker 1: that Zach recently wrote the Brendan Penny Rachel Boston movie
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  Speaker 1: The More the Merrier. His other work includes a ton
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  Speaker 1: of other Hallmark movies like The Five Year Christmas Party,
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  Speaker 1: Ghosts of Christmas Always, Both Sister Swap Movies, Three of
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  Speaker 1: the Christmas and Evergreen Movies, plus for the series Shadow
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  Speaker 1: Hunters and.
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  Speaker 3: Drop Dead Diva. I Love that series.
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  Speaker 1: Episode four was written by Lynn Sternberger. Lynn has eight
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  Speaker 1: writing credits and has previously written two of our personal favorites,
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  Speaker 1: Love Classified from twenty twenty two. Hey, Homark, we need
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  Speaker 1: more scripts like Love Classified and a Couple episodes of
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  Speaker 1: the series The Bold Type. Other work includes Home Economics
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  Speaker 1: and Bluff City Law.
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  Speaker 2: Episodes three and four were directed by Megan K.
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  Speaker 1: Fox.
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  Speaker 2: Meghan is a writer and director from Dublin, Ireland. She's
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  Speaker 2: known for her award winning short films and episodic TV directing,
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  Speaker 2: which includes east Enders, Too Good to Be True and
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  Speaker 2: Fair City.
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  Speaker 1: Our core cast returns May Whitman as Kate, Julian Morris
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  Speaker 1: as Callum, and Lucy Eaton as bestie Laura. We also
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  Speaker 1: have Nathaniel Parker as Kate's dad, Mac, Jane Seymour as Evelyn,
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  Speaker 1: and Mary McDonald as Kate's mom Delilah. In addition, we
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  Speaker 1: have Toby Sandman as Richard, Zefani Edoco as Sarah, and
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  Speaker 1: Emer Morrissey as the matchmaker.
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  Speaker 2: Drew Shannon O'Doherty plays young Kate and Liam Bixby plays
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  Speaker 2: young Callum.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we're gonna come right
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  Speaker 1: back with our first impressions of twelve Dates till Christmas
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  Speaker 1: Episodes three and four. Hey, Wendy, what was your first
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  Speaker 1: impression of this pair of episodes? Well, love is on
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  Speaker 1: the horizon, but Kate has some emotional unpacking to do
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  Speaker 1: before she gets there. My first impression is this show
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  Speaker 1: loves to surprise us. Every time I think I know
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  Speaker 1: where we're going, Boom, a twist or a text.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear more about it.
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  Speaker 3: I will tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I watched episode three, and then the following day I
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  Speaker 2: watch episode four, and while both very good, episode four
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  Speaker 2: at the end just had me like boom, yes this
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  Speaker 2: show and I was retelling my goodness right exactly, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, We're only getting two more episodes of
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 3: How is that possible?
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  Speaker 1: You know what's very interesting is these two episodes were
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  Speaker 1: written by two different writers, but the story is so
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  Speaker 1: cohesive from start to finish. The way we close the
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  Speaker 1: loop at the episode four, from some beats that were
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  Speaker 1: open up, it's really good. It's really good.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, can we talk our likes?
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  Speaker 3: I want to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about Kate's art. Yes, first and foremost. When we
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  Speaker 1: open episode three.
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  Speaker 2: She's you know, she's lost in thought about Richard and
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  Speaker 2: there's all these like little subtle, whimsical doodles on screen, right.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until it wasn't until episode four where
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh, Kate, what Kate's producing art?
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  Speaker 2: Wise has a lot to do with what's going on
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  Speaker 2: with her. Yes, and so I have a question for you.
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  Speaker 2: Are the cute doodles doing storytelling work for you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Two things I want to say. I loved the
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  Speaker 1: cute doodles in the opening scene. I loved the cute
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  Speaker 1: doodles in the closing scene of episode four.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you it was our interview with
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodman and Zach Hugg which dropped last week. If
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  Speaker 1: you haven't listened to it, go back that's on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: where they said her discovering more about herself is opening
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  Speaker 1: up her creativity. That was like a mind blowing moment
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  Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. Same. And then I watched these episodes
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  Speaker 1: and I saw that exhibiting itself on screen, where we see,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's stretching herself creatively. Even her boss is like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of a different direction than I'm used to
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  Speaker 1: seeing you going.
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  Speaker 3: It's I love that idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it made me realize back in episodes one
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  Speaker 2: and two where she was trying to come up with
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  Speaker 2: designs for a client and it wasn't like quite working,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, she's just not in the
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  Speaker 2: creative space where you know, to be a creative you
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  Speaker 2: kind of have to have you know, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's all money for her right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's the best way to put it. Yes, exactly,
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  Speaker 2: So I really enjoy this sort of element. Yeah meets
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  Speaker 2: the effect is working for me here, it's really working
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  Speaker 2: for me. The next thing I loved I am all
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  Speaker 2: in on the friendship between Kate, Laura, and Callum. They
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  Speaker 2: have this fortless chemistry you cannot fake. It's such it's
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  Speaker 2: so well lived in, like the side eye and the
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  Speaker 2: teasing and all of it just works so well together.
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  Speaker 2: Like brava to these three who are pulling off this
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  Speaker 2: we're supposed to be like this historied friendship. It's they're
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  Speaker 2: doing it so well.
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  Speaker 1: Can I speak a little bit more to her friendship
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  Speaker 1: with Laura When they have a fight, like they're getting
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  Speaker 1: irritated with each other, and the fight ends with Laura
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  Speaker 1: telling her like fun salta dancing and she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you should wear a cute heel and Kate's like I
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  Speaker 1: was planning to. It's just like it speaks to the fact,
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  Speaker 1: like we're fighting, we're irritated.
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  Speaker 3: With each other. But we have all this history.
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  Speaker 1: We're good, Like, we're going to come back from this.
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  Speaker 1: We just needed to get all of that out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like a fallout.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, this is the end of a
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  Speaker 2: friendship now because they're arguing about something. It's not the
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  Speaker 2: Real Housewives, and we're going to come back to this
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  Speaker 2: argument every single week for the next three months.
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  Speaker 3: It's just was like, let's get it off our chest.
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  Speaker 1: We can be real with each other and still come
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  Speaker 1: back to where we were.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's done really well. It's done super well. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: those are nice friendships. I like those friendships. Yeah, my
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  Speaker 2: list is long. Why don't you share some of yours?
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  Speaker 1: Well, to my first impression, I like that this show
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  Speaker 1: surprises me. Here's two big examples. When Kate is texting
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  Speaker 1: both Liam and Richard, and the show uses the color
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  Speaker 1: of the text bubbles to let us know who is who. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: although their names are on screen, but that's the more
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  Speaker 1: obvious call out. And by the way, is the use
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  Speaker 1: of the green text bubble for Liam a very subtle
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  Speaker 1: way of suggesting like, not the guy right anyway. When
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  Speaker 1: she accidentally texts Richard instead of Liam, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: even though I could kind of see it coming, it
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  Speaker 1: still was a great moment when you see her hits end.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 1: And then when she's waiting for Liam at the restaurant, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming until she's sitting there and
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  Speaker 1: I type in my notes, I'll be like, is he
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  Speaker 1: ghosting her? And then she gets the text and I
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  Speaker 1: truly in my notes in all caps, wrote ef you Liam,
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  Speaker 1: Like I win, Yeah, I mean, did you have a
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  Speaker 1: different reaction? Okay, well a lot of things. If we
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  Speaker 1: go to the escape Room date, yes, where she's on
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  Speaker 1: with the date with Liam. This is a dude that
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  Speaker 1: she has met before and ghosted.
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  Speaker 2: I actually thought this was a very interesting date in
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  Speaker 2: terms of what we learn here. And he's telling her like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: ghosting makes me feel bad about myself, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: when I'm ghosted, it makes me feel bad. It makes
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  Speaker 2: me question myself, and she's like, no, it's not about you,
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  Speaker 2: It's more about me. I'm like, I love this whole
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  Speaker 2: context here, and then cut to where she's waiting for him.
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  Speaker 2: In one of the most cinematic, beautiful scenes I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: She's in a cafe and behind her is the freaking
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  Speaker 2: London Bridge. It's stunny. When we talked to Zach and Aaron,
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  Speaker 2: they had told us that they went and shot a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of stuff in London, and I was like, was
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  Speaker 2: that real or is that like a I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: like a green screen situation where they put the London
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  Speaker 2: Bridge behind her after the fact. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: it's so beautiful. Anyway, she gets the ghost thing and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that wasn't cool.
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  Speaker 3: But I liked Liam.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying. I liked Liam too, and
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  Speaker 1: Liam I made a note of him saying that made
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  Speaker 1: me feel bad about himself. So, knowing how it feels
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  Speaker 1: to be ghosted, I just thought, well, kind of. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't love it. I was like, wait, I thought we
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  Speaker 1: had something here. I thought we could maybe develop this
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more and throw us off the scent,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not a love triangle. But we have all
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  Speaker 1: of these dates to dig into. So but that being said,
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  Speaker 1: loved that scene like it was. It elicited a reaction
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  Speaker 1: from me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of a love triangle, my spidy senses are activated,
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  Speaker 2: can I tell you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking love triangle between Richard and Callum.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, tell me more.
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  Speaker 2: The character Marjorie keeps coming back. Marjorie is that woman
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  Speaker 2: that Kate meets on the first date.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the blonde one.
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  Speaker 2: Right, She's in this one as well. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this cannot be coincidence because maybe what Ar's meeting her,
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  Speaker 2: I am thinking Richard is also dating her at the
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  Speaker 2: same time. And then we have the bracelet gift, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, what if he is gifting three
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  Speaker 2: gifts to Kate and Marjorie both and they're going to
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  Speaker 2: see each other again at some point, and she's going
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  Speaker 2: to see the bracelet and no, my spidy sensors are activated.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, let me tell you. At the end of
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  Speaker 1: this episode, I was like, I'm so in on both
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  Speaker 1: of these guys, right, I'm invested in both of the
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  Speaker 1: love stories. Although I really loved the Calumn story to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, but I was thinking about it, which way
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  Speaker 1: are we gonna go? And I was thinking, there's so
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  Speaker 1: little that we know about Richard. In my mind, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be a big reveal in episodes five
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  Speaker 1: and six. There's got to be something that turns us
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  Speaker 1: off of one of these guys, And because we know
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  Speaker 1: so much less about Richard than about Callum, it stands
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  Speaker 1: to reason that it might be him. But I kind
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  Speaker 1: of was forgetting that he's still dating all these women
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  Speaker 1: too interesting. I like what you're thinking there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I could be totally wrong, but see red flags.
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  Speaker 2: I see red flags? Yes, And you mentioned the what
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  Speaker 2: are we gonna do because we're gonna have to root
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  Speaker 2: for one of the guys, right, Well, I need to
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  Speaker 2: know more about Richard. Richard just comes in. He's flirty
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  Speaker 2: and charismatic, and he's nice to look at. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: he's a good kick, sir, like all these things, right,
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  Speaker 2: but what else is there? If I'm Kate, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I got all this history with Callum. Again, we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about it in a second, but I got all this
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  Speaker 2: history with Callum. Of course I'm gonna choose Callum, Like,
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  Speaker 2: what's to keep rich Why would she keep Richard around?
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  Speaker 1: Well, and especially after the reveal with Callum, like things
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  Speaker 1: were not what we thought they were.
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  Speaker 2: With exactly, So I'm very interested to see how five
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  Speaker 2: and six work out. We're gonna obviously come back to
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  Speaker 2: that opening scene in episode one where she's on the
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  Speaker 2: train talking about her heart being broken.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I.
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  Speaker 1: Cannot wait to watch it unfold. I cannot wait. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And where's she going on that train?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly to get her gone. Oh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about Mac and Evelyn's road trip please?
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  Speaker 2: They're a banter, the car, the sheep. I loved all
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  Speaker 2: of it. We talked extensively to Zach and Aaron about
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  Speaker 2: this in our interview with them. At that point when
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  Speaker 2: we chatted with you hadn't seen episode three yet? Is
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  Speaker 2: that correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Now do you get the sheep reference?
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  Speaker 3: I loved the sheep so much.
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  Speaker 1: How gorgeous was that shot? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: They just the sheep just come down the hill. They
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  Speaker 3: really do.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, stunning. I have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of thoughts about Mac and Evelyn. My biggest thought is,
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  Speaker 2: as I was watching this and writing my notes, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even care if these two end up in
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  Speaker 2: like a romantic relationship. I adore the platonic friendship that
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  Speaker 2: they have with each other. They need something from each other.
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  Speaker 2: Evelyn may not want to fully admit to that. Mac
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  Speaker 2: didn't really want to admit to that. In episodes one
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  Speaker 2: and two, like he needed to Evelyn's like physical therapy
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  Speaker 2: basically to help him kind of get out of his
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  Speaker 2: rut that he was in. Yes, I love watching this friendship.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even care where it goes. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: Mac has had such emotional growth from episodes one and two.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the man he is in these episodes is
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  Speaker 1: so different from the man we saw who couldn't even
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  Speaker 1: bothered to get out of his chair, who wouldn't go
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  Speaker 1: for a while, you know, And like the growth that
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  Speaker 1: he's had as a result of Evelyn stepping in is
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  Speaker 1: really I love him so much in these two episodes,
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  Speaker 1: when they go to do the scream, mm hmm. That
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  Speaker 1: could have easily been very cringey. And then when he
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  Speaker 1: lets loose with the scream, and I think it's Evelyn
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  Speaker 1: who's like, oh, you just.
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  Speaker 3: Had that one ready to go, didn't you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoy that.
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  Speaker 1: And I like how at the end she's like, you
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  Speaker 1: can fix my mirror if you want to, but at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning she's like, don't say anything about my car,
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  Speaker 1: don't try to fix me, don't offer help, like just
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  Speaker 1: be here, just companion.
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  Speaker 2: I just loved it so much where she tells him
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  Speaker 2: the story about how her former husband was diagnosed and
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  Speaker 2: this was going to be their tradition and he died
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  Speaker 2: before they could do it again. And then it became
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  Speaker 2: like a tradition between her and Callum to come out
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  Speaker 2: here and kind of just like scream their grief into
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  Speaker 2: the wind.
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  Speaker 1: I guys, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It resonated with me at such a deep level. I
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  Speaker 2: loved it so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I too would like to scream into the wind.
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  Speaker 2: And then the next morning after their car, her car
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  Speaker 2: is broken down and they get it back and he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we got to get out to Brighton, so you can
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  Speaker 2: go do your scream and then we'll get back to Bloxford.
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  Speaker 2: I just you know, Mac is such a good.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Guy, truly. Oh love it, love it. I'm glad we
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: closed the loop on Callum and Sarah and the Poshpie
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: pop up. Yes, there was a lot of there was
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a lot going on there. The comedy was funny. I'm
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: being invaded by influencers all using the hashtag Poshpie. Oh my,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and there are faces, there are faces to it. We're like,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: ooh yeah, yeah, that was great, great stuff. But then
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: when he just find is like blow. First of all,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the confrontation with the brand guy. Did you catch the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Keto reference again? Indeed? I did it, and I did
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: to say that. I mean what, it's fine. What's with
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: all the keto talk on Hallmark this season? It feels
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: like six or seven years outdated. It should be like osempic.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It should be ozempic talk, to be quite honest, but
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: they probably can't like say ozimpicelp one.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's so much keto talk, but just the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: whole thing and the way it builds where he finally
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: is like I don't want any of this, and his line.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be the person you wish I were.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be the person you wish I were.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: That's savage, it is.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And I feel sad for Sarah because she seems genuinely kind.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I think her intentions were good, that they're just not
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: on the same page. I don't think she was like
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: do you mean anything the farious here? But I love
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that Callum was just like, look, this is this is
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: not it. That's not it. This is not it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: We're closing the door on this.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that he's drawn out.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Do you Oh yeah, me too. Do you think it's
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: fair that he was mad at Kate, that Kate knew
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: all this time that Sarah had dated Oliver and so
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: on and so forth.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked that because I have that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: question too. I actually thought Kate did the right thing.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: She's like, no, I told Sarah she needed to discuss
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: that with you. It wasn't my place to get in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the middle of your relationship. And Naura's like, well, why
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: didn't you tell me? I was like, well, okay, fair enough.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: What do do you think?
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Do you think his anger is misplaced?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: There?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit, but.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's just because of his complicated our feelings
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: for Kate, right.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Like he feels a little maybe betrayed by her.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they, you know, all make up nicely, so
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: very nicely. Of course, we end episode three Kate's much
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: in with Richard and who comes up? Who returns Kate's mom, Delilah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And that's where we end the episode. It's a great scene.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about episode four. Okay, basically opens
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: we get a flashback to young Kate and Mac after
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing this is like sometime after Delilah has left
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and Kate's getting a call that like, her mom won't
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: be home for Christmas, and for me reframes everything. It's like, Okay,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: her mom's not just flighty. Her mom is flighty, but
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: her mom has also like inflicted a lot of hurt
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: onto Kate. She's unreliable, yeah, and Mac is the steady
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: presence in her life. And so now we're starting I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: think this is giving such good context of like what
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: is to comme in this episode between the relationship between
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Delilah and Kate, we get so much more backstory here,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and then Kate talks about it later about how that
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: may her not trust the way anybody feels about her,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: and then that comes full circle in her relationship with
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Callum too. I thought it was very interesting and I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: really liked how Mac figures into this storyline.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Right. He is so team Kate. He's such a lovely
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: father figure. And when they have that tea that goes
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: wrong and Kate just keeps pushing and pushing and pushing,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and she's like, basically, we don't want you here, like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: this is a tradition that was born out of us
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: trying to find joy in your absence, and now you're here,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: why are you showing up after all of this time? Oh? Man?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And then the conversation when she's like, why are you
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: on her side?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: And he's like, we just kind of slipped back.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Into being your parents, but he's like, you don't have
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to forgive her. I like it, and I like the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: full circle moment where Delilah comes to him at the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: end and she's like, this is your chance unload on me,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and instead of taking that chance, he just says, don't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: hurt our girl again.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this one episode here, right, one episode
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: could be an entire season. I feel like, just unpacking
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and unwinding and untangling the whole Delilah of it all.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so good. Don't you think he's
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: taken a total role reversal in his relationship with both
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Evelyn and with Kate from our first two pair of episodes.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, And in kind of a short period
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: of time.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Does it make it feel less believable to you?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: It doesn't actually feel less believable to me. It's just notable.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I really love the character of Mac, but it's just
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a real switcheroo from this grumpy curmudgeon who needed these
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: women to support him, and now he's stepping into that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: role for them.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Well, think about Kate was kind of a grumpy curmudgeon,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and two a little bit and her two friends stepped in.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Indeed, when you look when you see those flashback scenes, though,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I do think it sets a tone that he has
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: been this present and grounding presence in Kate's life. It's
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: not new for him to show up for her. Yeah,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't feel unearned. He was just out going
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: through some stuff.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly what did you think of Date eight?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: The Date with Herself?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, I'm just giving away all my
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: little to just Sy. That's but I really loved as
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a tiny thing, the way the date eight visual wipes
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: off the mirror like you're cleaning the mirror.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I love how they did all those I thought, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: really liked the Date with yourself. Let's go smash some stuff.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, after taking a deep, dark look at like what
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: is who's hurt her? Basically right, you know, and and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Drew's like pressing her it could be your first love,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: be a parent. And then you see like the light
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: go off, and then like the next cut to scene
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: like she's drawn this whole thing about like her mom
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: and all these issues she has and whatever, and then
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: then they go break some shit.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I loved it. I really did too. It was necessary.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: We can't, you know, we can't just keep having date
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: after date after date, Like she needed some introspection.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I liked it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Also, we did kind of skip over the salsa dancing date.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But did you happen to catch that she is leading
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the dance with the salsa dance guy. Oh I hadn't noticed.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Byron.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she like dips him and spins him and she
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: just I thought it was really funny where she's just
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: kind of taking charge in that role.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I felt bad for Byron honestly because like Kate
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: went into that date like she was so pissed off
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: about everything going on, right, poor Byron was.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Just collateral damage. Yeah, the whole thing.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: He's like, I don't even know any name Kate. Okay,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: nice meaning you bye. Good stuff. In this episod, so
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: again we also get more art to break down, like
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: her her art is reflecting her in her unraveling. You know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: she's doing those sketches at work and her boss is like, ooh,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: you could put that on a furious little pillow.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I loved it so much.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: What else did you like in episode four?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to talk about Kate and Callum. Sure
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this slow burn is burning for me, and the pieces
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: all come together. We know it's kind of a tough
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: emotional day for him. He doesn't get to go do
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the scream because of this stupid posh pie pop up
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to do. And I love the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: information that we get. We just build so much more
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: of his relationship with Kate. We see her being there
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: after his mom's funeral. We see them finally having this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like sweet moment. He kisses her, he says, I love you.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: She panics, comes back, understands the situation with him and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the other girl. But it's so poetic because earlier in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the episode she had been like, look, I don't I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: don't trust emotions because I've been burned and that's colored
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: my entire relationship history. And so we understand where she
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: was coming from because it was so much more fresh.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Young Kate was so much more freshly in the throes
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of that what she felt as rejection from her mom.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Right and the final scene of them in the.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Courtyard well after they have their big talk, like they
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: have a talk when they're on They're on dayon nine
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and he is there as her plus one, and of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: course all this stuff happens on this date, like Delilah
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: shows up and he's encouraging her Kate to talk to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: her mom. I think that's a lot of like Calem's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: own baggage of like his mom being dead is playing
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: into this a little bit, I think. But they sit
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: down at the table and there our kiss comes up,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: yes from previous years ago, and he basically asks her
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: when did our kiss.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Become a joke?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And then we get the explanation. She's like, I had
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: to make it a joke because she's hurt basically, right,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that is her coping mechanism. Well, he comes out and
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: he's like, I'm going to show you that this is
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: not a joke. I'm paraphrasing here.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: How good is the scene?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Just so you know when I kiss you it's not
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: a joke?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Ah, God, it is so good. I mean it's so hot.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And you know she makes it a joke because he
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: made her feel like a joke. Like he kisses her
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and immediately moves on to the next girl in her eyes, right,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: just so you know what. I the resolution, the way
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: they both understood how that came to be, and now
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I'm all in on these guys.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Although I am really leaning team Callum. I imagine we're
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: going to get some thing revealed about Richard that changes
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: our mind and perhaps something about Callum that we're like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: what you know, I know, we can't go straight to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: The little doodles.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: That happen on screen when they're kissing, I rewound it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I told my daughter to come in from the other room.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, look at it. Look at what do
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: they do here. I'm like, isn't this cool? And she's like, well,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that's cool. I don't like walked away, but I'm like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: it made the freakin' doodles make me feel something, right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It makes me feel like those feelings that you get
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: when you're in love or you're.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Like, oh god, it was so good and it's just
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: so good. I think it's the Netflix series Heartbreaker, which
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is based on a graphic novel. They do the same thing,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and I love I love that the little on screen
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: doodles like that. Yeah, it's such a cool effect. Do
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you have any more likes? Ugh, no, that's it. Let's
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: stop wishes. I have only one.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, I wish Richard and this is probably my design,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: but I Richard floats in and out. He's you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I wrote like a handsome Christmas ghost. He just you know.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I need more substance as to why Kate would be
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: drawn to him, hmm, other than the flirting, like you
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: got to give me something more where I need to
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: know she's going to come to a crossroads of like
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: do I choose Richard or do I choose Callum. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: need to know more about like what Richard is giving.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of substance, but a whole
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: lot of charm. Yeah, exactly. Well, I would like more Laura.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: In the first episode, we had so much of her
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and in this episode, but she's she's very much a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: supporting character and I would like to circle back to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of centering her for a few moments.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Although the way she was eyeing that old, decrepit courtyard
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that was badly in need of a renovation, I did
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that her wheels were turning, and then I had visions
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of her renovating it and Callum having a moment of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: frustration because she had changed it because that moment was
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: so important to him and his mother. Oh oh interesting,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: this is all made up.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if, like, you know, Laura was like
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I am good at this. Maybe she's at a crossroads
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: in her life of like I don't want to be
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: a solicitor. What am I doing? I want to do
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: other stuff. You know, we're seeing her like friendship or
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: relation you know, well her relationship with Drew.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, flourish.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Agree, Laura's great, though.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I have one more tiny baby wish. And it's when
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Kate and Callum were on their kind of co date
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and she's trying to wingman him and she's like looking around.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I wanted him to be like, stop trying to set
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: me up with other people. I'm with the person I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: want to be with.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but then we would have at the end
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: of the show.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I understand, but I was just like, tell her
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to stop, that's all.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: It's like she has completely convinced herself that she's not
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: an option for Callum, you know, based on whatever happened
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: twelve years ago.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk. Did you see that moments?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I have just a few, and we did to touch
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: on on gone most of them. Actually, the escape room
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: in episode three. I love that Kate is sitting in
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the ball pit.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so great.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: There's a ton of physical comedy in that date, you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: with the confetti blowing off and there's just like a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I really loved it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Sharing the Santa jacket.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. And my only other did you see that,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: because we've talked about everything else, is there's a great
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: line from Evelyn, her and Mac where they're in that
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: bar and he's like, oh, the winds getting or the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: weather's getting really bad outside and it's getting dark, and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: she says somebody's come down with the case of the Old.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Ladies, and I was like, that is me, that is me.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Green line, well done, Zach Hug.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I have a few.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: The first is there's a sign in the kitchen of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the pear tree above the sink that says, don't put
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: coffee grounds down the sink, and it's just a nice
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: little attention to detail in a kitchen that I appreciate.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: When they are at their book club meeting, one of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the book clubbers goes, well, that sounds like the classic
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: enemies to love her to me. I just loved the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: meta book Club moment. Yep, we hear Kate's ad lib
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you crumbled like a cookie line to Callum, and we
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: know that that was ad lib thanks to our conversation
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: with Aaron and Zach. So I loved seeing that come
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to fruition and it is just as perfect as they
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: said it was. And finally, I think it's Kate says
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to Delilah, what are you doing here? When she finds
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: her at the Pear Tree and she's like, it's literally
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the only place in this little town and it's giving
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: like Luke Steiner energy. Where else am I gonna go?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Totally?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: What did you rate these two episodes?
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Do I even have to ask?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Did we rate the first ones? I can't remember? Like Ripple,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: this is a five star series. If you're not watching it,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you are missing out. Stop right now and watch this series.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It's so good. I totally agree five stars, no notes,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: accept some notes, because that's what we're here for. I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: can't believe we only have two episodes left?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not ready?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm not ready a neat this season two? Indeed, Well,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: thank you for listening to this episode of Girls Gone Hamewark,
• 33:43
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• 33:46
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• 33:50
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