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Geoff Schwartz on the NFL and CFB, Program defining win for Oregon, Jaxson Dart's knee injury worse than they thought, + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the best
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  Speaker 1: inside of your youths. Let's get back to OC from
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  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Hour number three
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  Speaker 2: on a Tuesday begins with my good friend, longtime co-host
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  Speaker 2: of mine, Football expert in both college and the NFL
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  Speaker 2: and the occasional gambler as well, Jeff Schwartz.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, sir. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm good, buddy. How are we doing?
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  Speaker 5: Doing great. It's a beautiful day in Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 5: Having a fun time today. We asked this at the
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  Speaker 5: beginning of the show today about Utah football.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a.
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  Speaker 5: Program-defining victory in your mind for Oregon football. Is there
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  Speaker 5: one that your experience as a former Oregon Duck, an
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  Speaker 5: Oregon fan, whatever, you look back at that and you say,
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  Speaker 5: that is when we showed the world who we were?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I feel like I certainly was part of one
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  Speaker 4: of those games in 2007 when we finally beat USC, right?
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  Speaker 4: That was like, oh, we're here, right? We USC with
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  Speaker 4: Pete Carroll for so many years. had dominated out west,
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  Speaker 4: and we finally beat them at home. It was a
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  Speaker 4: great game, a great day. I felt like that was
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  Speaker 4: a way for us to show that we're here. I
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  Speaker 4: think we've had other program-defining wins since then. We just
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  Speaker 4: haven't been able to win the big one yet, but
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  Speaker 4: we've had, whether it was, I think, the Florida State
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  Speaker 4: playoff win in 2014 was a big one, obviously, before losing, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: to Ohio State. we've had plenty of wins along the
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  Speaker 4: way where it's felt like it's defined us in the positive. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: I think every school has the other way, right? We
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  Speaker 4: just have these losses. You're like, geez, man. I think
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  Speaker 4: the losses feel almost like they have more weight than
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  Speaker 4: the wins do sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to try to stay on the positive
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  Speaker 5: side of things.
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  Speaker 4: My point is I remember way more the losses that
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  Speaker 4: were defining than I think I do the wins, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 5: There's been a lot of noise around college game day
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  Speaker 5: going to a fourth sec school or sec meetup right
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  Speaker 5: and like we know that there's an espn and sec
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  Speaker 5: partnership and obviously uh is it being exaggerated or is
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  Speaker 5: this something that actually needs to be addressed be addressed
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  Speaker 5: in order to like maximize what game day is supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be for college football.
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  Speaker 4: Well uh i mean big new kickoff goes to 90
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  Speaker 4: of big Big Ten games, right? Now they do. They
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  Speaker 4: went to Big 12 last week. That was a special
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  Speaker 4: game in London. And, you know, they might show up
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  Speaker 4: at a Holy War, right? I mean, they have a
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  Speaker 4: Big 12 deal, right? So that makes sense. But the
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  Speaker 4: SEC and the ESPN are in it together. Of course
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  Speaker 4: they're going to choose that. I think game day has
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  Speaker 4: really evolved from what it used to be anyways. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it still has the same– it's not the
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  Speaker 4: same show that it was previously, which is fine. It's
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  Speaker 4: a different show for different people, and that's okay. but
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  Speaker 4: it's certainly not been what it has been in the
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  Speaker 4: past where I think it's just been a purely a
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  Speaker 4: celebration of, of the game, the best story of the week,
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  Speaker 4: like all those things. I'm not sure that that's the
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  Speaker 4: case anymore, which again, I mean, things are changing. Times
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  Speaker 4: are changing. It's okay. It's not what it used to be,
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  Speaker 4: but we have to acknowledge that. It's just, it's not
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  Speaker 4: what the show used to be. I don't watch the
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  Speaker 4: show at all. Now. I, I just don't know if
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  Speaker 4: you feel the same way, but it's just not really
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  Speaker 4: a show for me anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I still love?
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  Speaker 5: I shouldn't say still love because it's kind of a
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  Speaker 5: new feature since Pat McAfee jumped on. I do love
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  Speaker 5: letting the kids do the charity kick. I love the kids,
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  Speaker 5: the random campus kids kicking field goals.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: I would actually tune in to watch Corso do the
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  Speaker 4: headgear still. If I didn't watch. If they're at Oregon,
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  Speaker 4: I would watch the first 15 minutes when they were
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  Speaker 4: there just because I thought it was pretty cool. They
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  Speaker 4: would show the crowd everything, the fans. And then I
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  Speaker 4: would tune back in for Corso's headgear pick, because I
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  Speaker 4: thought it was just the best ever, right? And there's
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  Speaker 4: no way to replicate that, so it's not their fault, right?
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  Speaker 4: You're not going to replicate that. But also, I've said
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  Speaker 4: this before, I think McAfee is a phenomenal talent, right?
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  Speaker 4: There's no way, I think anyone who denies that is
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  Speaker 4: just full of themselves, right? He might not be the
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  Speaker 4: best singer in the world, but as an entertainer, he
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  Speaker 4: is very talented. But he's just not my cup of tea. Like,
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with that, right? Like, I think he's
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  Speaker 4: a very talented entertainer. I think his WWE stuff is great.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's his radio show or whatever YouTube program,
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  Speaker 4: like he gets great guests. Like that's a big boost
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  Speaker 4: that he gets able to get those guests. And they
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  Speaker 4: say things on his show. Like he gets them to say,
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  Speaker 4: those are all positives. It's just not my thing. Like,
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  Speaker 4: it's not really like my thing to listen to him talk,
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  Speaker 4: talk about football. Yeah, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to come and be like, you're a hater.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not a hater. I, I love to have his job, man.
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  Speaker 4: He's done a great job. He built this all for himself.
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  Speaker 4: Just like, I don't find it interesting though. It's all right.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Big matchups.
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  Speaker 5: Texas-Tennessee, the aforementioned game day destination. That's ranked versus ranked.
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  Speaker 5: We've had few of those in the early part of
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  Speaker 5: the season. Ole Miss-Florida ranked versus ranked. Iowa-Michigan ranked versus ranked. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: Oregon-USC is in this category as well. A & M- LSU,
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  Speaker 5: I'm taking out Oregon-USC because we'll give that its own
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  Speaker 5: attention here in just a little minute. Missouri-Mississippi State.
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  Speaker 3: Any of these... stand out from the others for you?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Texas-Tennessee feels big because of what Texas did
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  Speaker 4: to Ohio State, right? And if they win this game,
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  Speaker 4: I think you have to look at them as the
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  Speaker 4: best team in the country, right? And, you know, they
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  Speaker 4: want to be that best team in the country, and
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  Speaker 4: you win against Ohio State, you follow that up with
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  Speaker 4: another win against a ranked Tennessee team, that feels like
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  Speaker 4: a pretty good way to start the season. And it
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  Speaker 4: really gives you any cushion, right, for a couple losses.
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  Speaker 4: down the stretch here. So that game, to me, is
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  Speaker 4: really fascinating for that reason. I think the really fun one,
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  Speaker 4: it's really interesting. So, you know, Ole Miss, they just
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  Speaker 4: beat LSU, right? Like, great win for Ole Miss. Felt
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  Speaker 4: like a, you know, karma for Lane and whatnot. Do
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  Speaker 4: you know who's favored in this game?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: Florida's favored by three at home.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wait, I actually did see this.
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  Speaker 5: Summerall was like, yeah, there's a lot of good drugs
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  Speaker 5: out there because he doesn't want his team to be favored.
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  Speaker 4: Favored by three after Ole Miss just beat LSU. So, like,
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  Speaker 4: Is that.
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  Speaker 3: A prediction of an emotional hangover type game?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing. I have a buddy. You guys should
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  Speaker 4: listen to Bear Bets. It's a podcast I do with
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  Speaker 4: Chris Felica and Sammy P. Sammy has a power rankings.
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  Speaker 4: He makes his power rankings through various different techniques. That
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  Speaker 4: power rankings is how he makes those point spreads. It's
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  Speaker 4: out of 100. Georgia, I think, is like a 98.
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  Speaker 4: Ohio State's a 90 out of 100. Utah's probably, my guess,
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  Speaker 4: like 88. And then So basically it's that simple. Like if,
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  Speaker 4: if Ohio state played Utah neutral, they'd be, they'd be
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  Speaker 4: 10 point favorite, but that's how simple it is. It's
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  Speaker 4: just off the power rankings. Now, of course you adjust
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  Speaker 4: for home field advantage, right? So let's say that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the game is in Utah. You give Utah four points
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  Speaker 4: for home field advantage. The game is Ohio state minus six.
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  Speaker 4: So people just have Florida rated based off of the
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  Speaker 4: way they play so far this season rated a lot
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  Speaker 4: higher than me and you do. And so that's how
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  Speaker 4: the rankings are made. Like it's not, It's not just
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  Speaker 4: sort of out of nowhere. Florida's played good football. You know,
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  Speaker 4: the Baylor game, they, you know, no, that was Auburn.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Florida just, who did they beat last week? Oh, Auburn.
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  Speaker 4: They beat Auburn last week pretty handily. Like, they're playing
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  Speaker 4: good football. So I think that's what it is. It's
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  Speaker 4: Ole Miss, maybe not as good as their record, according
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  Speaker 4: to people that make the numbers, right, Sean? On the road,
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  Speaker 4: so you give maybe Florida six points for the swamp, right?
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  Speaker 4: So maybe neutral site, Ole Miss here by three in
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  Speaker 4: this game. And that's how it works, right?
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  Speaker 5: The university of Utah beat Utah state this last weekend,
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  Speaker 5: 33 to zero things, you know, like they got a
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  Speaker 5: little bit dodgy in the second half as you're starting
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  Speaker 5: to rotate some backups in and stuff, but you still,
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  Speaker 5: you blanked an opponent, you dominated the game.
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  Speaker 3: And interestingly enough.
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  Speaker 5: Morgan Scali, as we asked about the offensive line over
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  Speaker 5: and over and over again, praises the guys and says, yeah, we're,
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  Speaker 5: We're going to get it dialed in in the next.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of weeks who the starting five actually are.
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  Speaker 5: And you and I have talked about this every single
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  Speaker 5: week because you played offensive line at the very highest level. And, like,
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  Speaker 5: I thought this might be the case, that they would
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  Speaker 5: still be figuring things out as they got into Big
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  Speaker 5: 12 play. We've seen now Kelvin Obot, the number one recruit.
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  Speaker 5: We've seen him play left guard with the ones. We've
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  Speaker 5: seen him play left tackles with the twos and threes.
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  Speaker 5: And is there any– should there be any sense of
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  Speaker 5: unease or alarm– that we don't know who the real
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  Speaker 5: starting five are as you head into more meaningful games?
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  Speaker 4: Short way to say it, a little bit, yes. I
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  Speaker 4: actually feel this way about Oregon right now, where Oregon,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we got to go to USC this weekend,
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  Speaker 4: and we're still sort of rotating offensive linemen. And in
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  Speaker 4: some positions, like, we're pretty much set at tackle, I think.
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  Speaker 4: But guard, and they're still rotating tackles. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: still a little uncertain. And I... I'm curious. You want
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  Speaker 4: to go into a USC game with a full understanding,
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  Speaker 4: I think, of what you want to be on offense.
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  Speaker 4: You're Utah. You go to Iowa State. I would say
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  Speaker 4: it's not great, but you're on the road for your
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  Speaker 4: first road game with this new staff. You'd like to
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  Speaker 4: have an offensive line, I think, more set in stone.
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  Speaker 4: I just feel like for Oregon, I'm kind of like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't love that our offensive line is not really
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  Speaker 4: set yet as we head into... I looked at USC
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  Speaker 4: as being of this is our five, right? And you
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  Speaker 4: play three games now. I'm just not sure we're there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't decide.
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  Speaker 5: How I'm supposed to feel about it because I think
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  Speaker 5: you've gotten good things out of each guy. And like
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  Speaker 5: one guy was hurt and he's, he got his first
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  Speaker 5: action against Utah state and it's like, all right, well
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  Speaker 5: maybe it makes sense, but sounds like there's still some flux. And,
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  Speaker 5: You don't want flux. That's one position group where you
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  Speaker 5: want it to be pretty definitive. At least that's always
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  Speaker 5: been my perception.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. So, you know, you have to work through that. Again,
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  Speaker 4: they're not the only team that has to work through
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  Speaker 4: these issues, but it does feel like, you know, not
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  Speaker 4: in the best situation where you head into your first
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  Speaker 4: road game and you're sort of not set on those yet.
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  Speaker 5: If you're able to run effectively on the edges, but
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  Speaker 5: anytime you try to go inside, and this is like
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  Speaker 5: two questions, blanket of a statement because Utah's had success
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  Speaker 5: in both areas, but it seems kind of clear at
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  Speaker 5: this moment that they're better at running off tackle than
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  Speaker 5: they are inside.
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  Speaker 3: What explains that from the offensive line perspective?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it would probably explain that your offensive line can't
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  Speaker 4: sustain blocks inside the tackles very well, right? Because a
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  Speaker 4: lot of outside tackle blocking, is it are they running
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  Speaker 4: stretch or are you just getting the quarterbacks outside the pocket?
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  Speaker 4: You know, RPOs and stuff like that. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 4: a big difference in what, you know, Oregon has done
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  Speaker 4: some of that this year, too, where they've had much
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  Speaker 4: better success running the ball outside of tackles, but a
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  Speaker 4: lot of that has been just sort of, we're not
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  Speaker 4: even going to, you know, it's not the offensive lines
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  Speaker 4: that just get the ball on the edge, right, via design, right?
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  Speaker 4: The offensive line's not really blocking anybody. So is it
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  Speaker 4: more like outside zone is working, Sean, or is it more, that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, what's working is just off, you know, is
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback run stuff.
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  Speaker 5: The quarterback run, they haven't had to lean as hard
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  Speaker 5: on the quarterback run stuff, really.
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  Speaker 4: So it probably just means that there's still work to
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  Speaker 4: do there inside, interior-wise, right? Because running the ball between
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  Speaker 4: tackles is a lot of just, you know, it's technique, fundamentals, strain.
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  Speaker 4: Some of it's formationally, right? Just making sure you guys
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  Speaker 4: are in the right place and you have good leverage.
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  Speaker 4: But a lot of it is really just comes down to, like,
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  Speaker 4: You know, are we straining? Are we finishing? There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of movement inside, right? Tackles move, linebackers move. Are
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  Speaker 4: we ready for that movement? A lot of times when
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  Speaker 4: you run the ball outside, you can catch them in
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  Speaker 4: a stunt or in a blitz and, like, run away
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  Speaker 4: from it and stuff. So I think that's, to me,
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  Speaker 4: just all those things are very impactful here.
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  Speaker 5: You and I spend a lot of time talking about
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  Speaker 5: the difference between, like, pressure and manufactured pressure from defenses.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: Guys, you know, your front four getting wins and things
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  Speaker 5: like that, and then your defensive coordinator having to help
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  Speaker 5: everyone out. And that feels like a feature right now
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  Speaker 5: for the University of Utah defense where they did figure
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  Speaker 5: out how to get some pressure, but it's not– your
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  Speaker 5: defensive ends are not winning and getting sacks. Now, they
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  Speaker 5: are getting pressures. They are getting hurries, which– Some people
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  Speaker 5: say it's just as important of a stat. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know where you fall on that one. But, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we've seen this team now really, you know, bringing a lot.
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  Speaker 5: And it's great in weeks one, two and three when
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  Speaker 5: you haven't seen it or you've been able to dial
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  Speaker 5: up something new. I start to get more concerned when
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  Speaker 5: you put more and more stuff on film and it
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  Speaker 5: becomes more and more recognizable and an offensive coordinator changes.
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  Speaker 5: is more and more likely to be able to scheme
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  Speaker 5: against it and recognize it and say, all right, we're
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  Speaker 5: going to throw to that spot where Nate Ritchie, your safety,
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  Speaker 5: used to be, et cetera. How do you parse that
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  Speaker 5: out and fix that for a defense?
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  Speaker 4: Well, obviously you hope that some of your front four
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  Speaker 4: start getting a little bit better. The reason why you
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  Speaker 4: want to rush four, obviously, is that leaves seven players
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  Speaker 4: that are in coverage. The more players you have in coverage,
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  Speaker 4: in theory, the better your pass defense should be. you know, I,
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  Speaker 4: hurries to me are fine. I mean, I think if
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  Speaker 4: you rate them, it's like, you know, hurries, you know, pressures, hits, sacks, right?
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  Speaker 4: Like those, you know, your hurry is fine, but it's,
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  Speaker 4: does a hurry mean the quarterback is off his spot
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  Speaker 4: and still throwing the ball? Is it a hurry with
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  Speaker 4: someone else getting a pressure, right? I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: so it's like, it depends on what it is. Look,
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  Speaker 4: colleges throw the ball so fast, Sean, it's sometimes hard
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  Speaker 4: to really tell if a pass rush stinks or or
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  Speaker 4: the ball's gone too fast, right? I think you'll get
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  Speaker 4: a good test this week. I mean, Iowa State probably
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  Speaker 4: is not a team that's going to throw the ball
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  Speaker 4: fast all the time, right? They're going to hold the
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  Speaker 4: ball a little bit longer on third downs. They have
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  Speaker 4: the players to do that. Utah State's throwing the ball
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  Speaker 4: fast all the time, right? That's what they do. And
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  Speaker 4: then as far as, you know, you can still generate
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  Speaker 4: pressure with four rushers with sim pressures, right? We talk
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  Speaker 4: about the simulated pressure. You show, look this way, bring
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  Speaker 4: four guys that way, and you still have seven in coverage.
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  Speaker 4: There's ways to mitigate that. But ideally, you would love
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  Speaker 4: to be a team that just got home with your
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  Speaker 4: four defensive linemen.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff Schwartz, our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 5: talking all things college football. How much can you know
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  Speaker 5: about a team before they go on the road? Utah's
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  Speaker 5: had three in a row at home.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing. Really? Nothing? I mean, what do you think? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think, I hope it's more than nothing. I think
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  Speaker 4: so far it's been a check the box, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Check the box. Good job. But until you go on
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  Speaker 4: the road, I think that's really hard to tell what
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  Speaker 4: your team's road conference game, your team's going to be.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, not to make fun of USC for
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  Speaker 4: the time in a row, but I mean, how much
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  Speaker 4: do we hear? Like USC is different this year. They're different.
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  Speaker 4: And they go first road conference game. Look exactly the
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  Speaker 4: same team. Like it's had for five years in a
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  Speaker 4: row now.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Like it's, it's, it's, it just has held true for,
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  Speaker 4: for many teams over the years.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about one of the other big
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: ranked versus ranked games because you're a former Oregon Duck.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: And to give some insight into the group chat, usually,
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: you know, we have fun talking trash to our guy Kono, who's,
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: for whatever reason, a USC fan.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: We usually team up on him.
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: But you've been reticent this week because I think it
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: seems like maybe you're a little bit scared for your Ducks.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: I just don't know what team's going to show up. So...
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: We played the first two games, and then Portland State,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: we beat them 84-0. I think everyone saw that.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: Why is Dan Lanning still throwing passes with 30 seconds
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: left in a 77-0 game?
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I think because the four-string quarterback was in with the
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: four-string wide receivers. He just wanted to have those guys
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: play a little bit. I mean, he said he asked
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: the Portland State coach if they wanted to cut down
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: the time, because you can cut down the time, right?
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: You can go to 10-minute quarters. He said no. So,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: No, it's fine. As long as you feel good about it,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: that's fine.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: I just don't care.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Tells me who you are as a bully. Who cares?
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: But nonetheless, so what team shows up? So the team
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: that we saw the first two games schematically offensively was
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: boring and bland and just like pretty bad. The team
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: we saw against Portland State looked like a different offense,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: like just schematically. It was a different, like they looked
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: different offensively as far as what they did. It looked
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: like they decided, like, we kind of have to try
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: a little bit more on offense, which is a terrible
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: thing to say. But the offense was just completely different.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: And so, like, my question is, what are we seeing
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: from this team with the offense against USC? If we
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: see that structure, we have a chance. If we see
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: defensive effort, we have a chance. If we don't, we're
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: going to lose. I feel very strongly that USC is
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: the same team they've always been. Like, I don't feel
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: like this is a team that's any different than what
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: they've been, Sean, over the years. They're the same team.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: They showed against Rutgers, right? So the question becomes, obviously,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: is that what are you getting from Oregon this week?
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Are you getting, like, what we got, again, against Portland State?
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Or are you getting what we got against, you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: just structurally, structurally, not like, you know, we're not playing
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: with Portland State. Or do you get more of the
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma State, Boise State type of play from our offense?
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: If you tell me what that is, I'll tell you
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: who's going to win the game. I... Just don't know.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: It's not good to not know, right? I feel like
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: that's terrible to like carry this big game.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Are we going to be our best or not? So
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: I hate that that's the thought process, but it is, man. Look,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: USC looks exactly like they've always been. They have two
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: defensive linemen that are better than usual, 97 and 94
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: was a true freshman, 94. But otherwise, Rutgers is terrible, bro.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: And Rutgers moved the ball up and down the field
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: on them with ease. They're They're not going to stop
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: anyone good this year. They still have to play Oregon,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Ohio State, Indiana, Washington. It's a brutal schedule for USC.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Did you get a chance to watch any Houston-Texas Tech
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: on Friday night?
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I did, yes.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Why?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: It was a great game.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: It was awesome.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Down to the final inches on the last second tackle, right?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: So pretty cool. But when you look at either of
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: those great teams, I mean, Texas Tech, we've kind of like...
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: People have gotten enamored with the fact that they bought
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: this crazy roster again, and I haven't been overly impressed
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: with them. I think Houston's good. I think Texas Tech
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: is good. I don't think either are great. I just
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: want you to confirm my biases, I guess.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, think about this. Texas Tech lost three
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: NFL defensive linemen, right?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: They lost a quarterback who was good, and they replaced
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: him with the quarterback that they thought was going to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: be good, who ended up being basically thrown out of
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: the sport. And they're not as good on the trenches.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: They're just not as good this year. I understand the
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: excitement for them to be better this season. That made
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: sense because of what their success was last year. But
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: they're not better than last year. I would argue they're
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: worse this year. And I'm not sure Houston, you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Willie Fritz is awesome, like a good coach. I don't
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: know how good they are. But I think it's Tech
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: and Sports. But the thing about Tech is their schedule's
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: a joke, dude. Like, they don't play another ranked team
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: the rest of the season.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: So they're going to get to the Big 12 Championship game.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's your Utes. Maybe it's BYU. Maybe it's Houston.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: And they're going to play. This is their schedule. They
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: need to pick 12. Colorado, Arizona State. Cincinnati, Arizona, West Virginia.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: West Virginia's a little spunky. They might be ranked by then,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: but that's at home. At Oklahoma State, so maybe by
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: then Oklahoma State's sort of rounding into what they want
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: to be with Morris. Baylor and TCU. It's a pretty
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: easy schedule, man.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're hoping that West Virginia is actually good. You're
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: hoping that Oklahoma State is actually good. You're hoping that
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: TCU is actually good enough to challenge, and even in
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: those cases, you wouldn't be convinced. Even if they're good...
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: They're good enough to beat Texas Tech. Although I can't
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: complain too much about Texas Tech's schedule because Utah's got
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: a pretty friendly schedule themselves.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, so a lot of things come down to schedule, man.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: This is a one-bid league, though, right? We were having
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: a conversation earlier where, you know, like, yes, it's great
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: to see three Big 12 teams in the top 15,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: but this is what the rankings did at These are
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: not college football playoff rankings, but this is what the
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: rankings did to us last year. They're just like, oh, look,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: you got these Utah's there, Texas Tech's there, BYU's there.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: And then it's like the committee knew like, oh, that's
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: going to come out in the wash and the Big
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: 12 is going to be a one bid league. There's
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: nothing that tells me as of yet that the plans
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: will be any different for this year's college football playoff field.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it depends on what the Big 10 does, right?
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: If Oregon loses this weekend, they're out presumably, right? USC
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: is not making– they're not with their schedule making a playoff,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: in my opinion. That leaves, obviously, Ohio State. What if
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: they drop a couple, right, with the loss of Texas?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: The Big Ten might only get two or three, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: that allows someone else maybe to get in the mix, Sean.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, the team I worry about more with the
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Big 12 is Louisville. Louisville. Interesting. Like, Louisville's playing some
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: good football, right? They've now lost by three to Ole Miss,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and they've just beat SMU. And they– I don't know
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: if they get Miami this year or not. But, you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: they can make it to the NCAA championship game and
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: certainly beat Miami. That's not, like, without question. And then
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Miami's in and LSU's in, especially if Miami beats Notre
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Dame later this season. Yeah, Louisville gets no Miami this year. it's,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: it's a bunch of same as like Texas tech. There's
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: a bunch of non-ranked teams.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Uh, there was a time you were on the New
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: York giants roster. If you're on that New York giants
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: roster today, how are you feeling?
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Not great. They just announced, I think darts worse than
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: we thought. So, um, look pretty bad in the moment. And, uh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: injuries are part of it, man. Part of the game. I,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I just, it stinks. I've been one of those guys.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've been carded off. I didn't fist pump
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: like Caleb Williams and then come back a week later.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: But I definitely, you know, I've been there before. It's
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: not very fun.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: The memes that have come out of the Caleb Williams thing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, fantastic.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I spent years making fun of him when he was
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: at USC.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: And obviously he holds a special place of hate in
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of Utah fans' hearts because of that. the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: rivalry that developed in the, you know, the bleep Utah
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: and his fingernail paints and all that kind of stuff,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: which is great.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I think he's a good player.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: I think he's just like this whole thing.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: You and I talked about it a lot.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: He's like the Gen Z quarterback that nobody knows how
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: to handle a Gen Z quarterback.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: That was the best representation. I think we've seen of it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Like to him, that's totally acceptable behavior to the rest
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: of the NFL. And you, can speak to this in
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: a real way. Like, the rest of the NFL fraternity,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I imagine, is laughing at worst and cringing at best.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, geez, foe. We are pro-dog.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: It happens every week now, and we appreciate it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand what he's barking at. Maybe a
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: leaf blew by. My kids might be home, though, too.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: That's also a possibility. Emmy and Norma just running through
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: here at some point.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: So....
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Just the reaction to Caleb Williams.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Look, I, I think that you don't have
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: to have a reaction to everything. The memes have been really,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: really good. They've been great. Um, but yeah, I mean, look,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: he's a franchise quarterback. He thought he blew out his hamstring.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: It's not being that, you know, I don't know. I
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: would have walked it off. I think I would have
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: walked it off, but I don't know, man. He got,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: it's more of the fist pump, right? Like the, just
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: getting card off, um, the field's probably not a big deal,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: but the fist pump at the end, like he's one
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: of those guys got, you know, boarded, right? Like on
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: a backboard. Yes. Like that, that's the part that probably, um, is,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: is the thing that I think gets everyone right. It's
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: a fist pump. And then it means it's been great.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Like when, you know, when, you know, my wife asked
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: me to take the trash out, I do it on time.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Like all this stuff, it's just been like, it's been
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: so good.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: The best one was the guy who said, uh, me
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: after sleeping on the uncomfortable couch when my wife gave birth.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: That's.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: My kids were born in the middle of the day.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I never had to do that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Must be nice.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe the next one will be nighttime.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Buddy, there ain't no next one, my friend.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Just put it out there. Just put it out there
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: in the world for you.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: It's fine. I mean, not because of my doing. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe she's got another... someone she's with, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: it ain't for me. No. So, like, we had Emmy
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: with IVF, and Meredith didn't tell me this, but she
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: went back to the doctor to, like, see if we
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: could have a third one. And the doctor was like, no.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: That's not happening. So, I think medically she can't even
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: do it. So, because she said she did think about it. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so... Alright, well,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: you're safe from another kid. Are you? Are you going
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: for more? Yeah. Who knows, man?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: You never know.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, I like it. Okay.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: It's only two games, but Travis Kelsey looks really awesome
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: in these first two games. Is he, like, did marrying
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: the queen of pop, did this, like, re-energize him? Or
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: is this what we always should have expected from a
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: 37-year-old tight end?
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I just think Hall of Famers are freak shows, dude.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: And they... play longer than everyone else. They recover easier
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: than everyone else. They train better than everyone else. They
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: have the money and the resources to make that all happen.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: And I just think he's a freak show, dude. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I think that the Chiefs' offense with the way they're
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: running the football and the way they're able to use
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: other wide receivers, he doesn't have to do a lot, right?
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: He's not getting triple covered or double covered anymore. Remember
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: last year, you know, Hollywood, Xavier Worthy got hurt. Rasheed
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Rice missed eight weeks. He gets singled up now. He's
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: not getting double teamed. Him and Mahomes are the two
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: fastest guys when someone's chasing them, I think, that ever recorded.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: No one catches those two, and yet if you hadn't
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: run a 40, they'd run a 5-5. It's insane how
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: they know how to use their bodies. It's very impressive, dude.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I'm super impressed with the Chiefs' start so far this year.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: the way they played. And we'll see. NFL's long. It's
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: so weird, right? The NFL, two games, right? And their
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: teams are 0-2, 1-1. And the teams that have lost,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: like your fans, of course you don't want to lose,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: but you're like, okay, we're 0-2, whatever. We're 2-0, whatever.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: A long season. At a college football, you lose a game.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: It's like the end of the world, dude.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of how it goes.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know if we're going to like it better
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: if the college world expands the playoff and makes it
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: feel more like the NFL where you're like, ah, dang it,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: we lost that one, but we'll be okay. You know,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I think that's part of the appeal of the college
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: football world where you want to be on the edge
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: of your seat and biting your fingernails over every single play.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Correct. And it's why college football is one of the
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: reasons why it's so different than the NFL.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you're the man. Always appreciate you giving us time.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: We'll talk again next week.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, buddy. Take care. Have a good week.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Good luck to your ducks.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: That's Jeff Schwartz, college football and NFL insider.