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Thomas Massie _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _592(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Just advising that this episode was recorded late last week.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a congressman from Kentucky's 4th District. He
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  Speaker 1: is from Appalachia, and he got a master's degree at
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  Speaker 1: MIT before he got into politics. He's a member of
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Party, but he's a bit of a rogue guy.
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  Speaker 1: He does things his own way, and I'm fortunate today
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  Speaker 1: to spend time with Congressman Thomas Massey.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Tom. And I will find a song I've been
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  Speaker 2: singing since the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Thomas Mastey, thanks for coming in, man. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, dude. Good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Just had to cross the state border to get here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I see from Kentucky. And you drove,
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  Speaker 1: like you just took me into your home, in your
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  Speaker 1: camper home vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: It's a F-250 with a truck camper, and I lived
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  Speaker 2: for two solid years in it in D.C., still occasionally do.
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  Speaker 1: And where would you park that thing at?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to disclose where I park, but
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  Speaker 2: I did get in trouble. I parked the truck camper.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Super Duty. Even though it fits in the
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  Speaker 2: back of a pickup, it's got a shower, bathroom, stove,
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  Speaker 2: and a fridge.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it felt super when I was in there. That
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  Speaker 1: living arrangement in there, I could have definitely— Cozied up.
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  Speaker 1: It felt very cool. The milk felt cold in there.
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  Speaker 1: We had a little cup of milk, which is definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Raw milk. Yeah. I'm sure. Hopefully.
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  Speaker 2: Don't tell anybody across state lines with that. But so
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  Speaker 2: here's a funny story. I was parking this truck camper
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  Speaker 2: in D.C. in a congressional lot. Mm-hmm. And it got
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  Speaker 2: hotter than the hinges of hell in the summertime in
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  Speaker 2: this parking lot. So I ran a little extension cord
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  Speaker 2: over to the electric car charging station so I could
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  Speaker 2: run the air conditioner on my camper at night. Mm-hmm. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the cops like to park. They didn't know I was
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  Speaker 2: living in this camper and I would park close to
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  Speaker 2: a sprinter van and the cops would park between me
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  Speaker 2: and the sprinter van to take a.
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  Speaker 1: Nap at night. Oh, so everybody's working together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would look out the camper and do a
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  Speaker 2: wellness check on him at night. They didn't know I
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  Speaker 2: was looking out for him. But anyways, one night.
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  Speaker 1: That's diplomacy. It's how it all works. It's like everybody's
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  Speaker 1: kind of hiding a little bit behind the other group.
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  Speaker 2: One night, it was like that movie Bridge Over the
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  Speaker 2: River Kwai. They found my 50-foot extension cord and followed
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  Speaker 2: it over to the electric car charging station. They said, damn,
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  Speaker 2: there's somebody living in this truck. So my chief of
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  Speaker 2: staff got a call from the speaker's chief of staff.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, we think your boss is living in
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  Speaker 2: lot 28.
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  Speaker 1: He said, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: In a pickup truck. And I told my chief, don't
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  Speaker 2: call him back. Let me settle this. So we have
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  Speaker 2: a don't ask, don't tell arrangement. As long as I
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  Speaker 2: don't start a KOA or something in the congressional lot,
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  Speaker 2: I can live there.
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  Speaker 1: If the cops are getting a little bit of shut eye,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You're able to operate
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  Speaker 1: a grill, you know, or a little two-stroke motor in there,
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  Speaker 1: something to keep the blender working.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I got to mix my medical margaritas
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  Speaker 2: in there and keep the raw milk cold. So what
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  Speaker 2: I eventually did was cover it in solar panels and
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  Speaker 2: took off the old air conditioner and put a mini
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  Speaker 2: split on the back. So it looks like the Millennial
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  Speaker 2: Falcon now. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely looks like the guy that's in there. It
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  Speaker 1: definitely seemed like you want to get his fingerprints. That
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  Speaker 1: has a CODIS vibe outside of it, you know. But
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  Speaker 1: that's that isn't a lot of your vibe is that
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  Speaker 1: you're off the grid. I've heard that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Off the grid in the camper and off the
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  Speaker 2: grid at home. So I haven't bought public utilities in
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  Speaker 2: 20 years. Wow. And that kind of ties into when
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  Speaker 2: I go to D.C., that gives me some independence. Because
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  Speaker 2: if everything goes to hell and I'm no longer a
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  Speaker 2: congressman and I don't have a job, I still got
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  Speaker 2: a house where all my own utilities are taken care of.
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  Speaker 2: It runs off solar, got a backup generator, got a
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  Speaker 2: well that I dug. And it just gives you the
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  Speaker 2: sense that, okay, the worst day in Kentucky is better
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  Speaker 2: than my best day in D.C.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is you right here? This is you
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  Speaker 1: right here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of my gardens, and there's some of
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  Speaker 2: my chickens clucking around.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I built a mobile pen that moves with the chickens
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  Speaker 2: to keep the coyotes from eating them.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's like a Roomba.
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  Speaker 2: Think of a Roomba with 50 chickens in it moving
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  Speaker 2: around in my yard. It runs on solar, collects rainwater,
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  Speaker 2: and it takes care of my chickens when I'm not there.
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  Speaker 1: And what makes it move? How does that even work?
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  Speaker 1: Bring that up, Trevin. Can you get me so we
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  Speaker 1: can see what I'm looking at?
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any footage of it on here, but
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  Speaker 2: I call it– so it first ran off batteries in
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  Speaker 2: a solar panel, and the batteries went dead.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, this sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like taking batteries to a landfill because I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to come up with a green way to
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  Speaker 2: raise chickens. So I figured out a way to do
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  Speaker 2: it with supercapacitors. There's no battery in it, and the
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  Speaker 2: supercapacitors never wear out, and I call it the Clucks capacitor.
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  Speaker 1: Is this kind of an example of what it looks like? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's like, except– yeah, except mine moves itself.
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  Speaker 2: Mine's like a Roomba version that's robotic.
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  Speaker 1: And so what is the point of it moving?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, chickens poop and you don't want them
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  Speaker 2: walking around in their own poop.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They also like to eat a certain amount of grass
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  Speaker 2: and bugs. And so this gives them fresh forage and
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  Speaker 2: it keeps them out of their poop. They don't get disease.
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  Speaker 2: It fertilizes my yard. It mows my grass. Everything's all
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  Speaker 2: happy in the Clucks Capacitor.
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  Speaker 1: I got to get a damn chicken, dude, or a
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  Speaker 1: little batch of chickens. I got to get something. I
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  Speaker 1: almost bought my mom two goats, but she like for years,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, give me some goats. And then, then she
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  Speaker 1: didn't want it. She just has a problem with everything. But, um, anyway, uh,
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  Speaker 1: so what is a flux capacitor? Clucks capacitor.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. What is an actual, what is a, it's the
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  Speaker 2: circuit that I designed. So, uh, I'm a double E
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  Speaker 2: by train electrical engineer by training. And, um, I just
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  Speaker 2: had to come up with some way to keep my
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  Speaker 2: chickens alive and keep them healthy while I went to D.C.
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  Speaker 1: So I came up with this.
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  Speaker 2: Circuit board that's got capacitors that trickle charge from a
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  Speaker 2: little solar panel the size of a sheet of paper.
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  Speaker 2: And it's got an automotive winch in the front, so
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  Speaker 2: it can pull itself even if it weighs 2,500 pounds
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  Speaker 2: along a cable.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't pay an electric bill?
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  Speaker 2: No electric bill, no water bill, no sewer bill. I
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  Speaker 2: do have an internet bill because I use Starlink. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And is that legal? Are you allowed to legally be
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  Speaker 1: a person like that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, they tried to bring more regulation to
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  Speaker 2: our county 20 years ago before I was a congressman.
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  Speaker 2: And I wrote letters to the editor and mobilized people
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  Speaker 2: and we stopped them from bringing more regulation to our county.
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  Speaker 2: So it's still legal where I live.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, because this is it seems like a very like
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  Speaker 1: libertarian or almost like a lot of the ideas seem
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  Speaker 1: almost very like something you would see like on the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic Party, which sounds kind of wild, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I say I'm the greenest member of Congress and
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  Speaker 2: no Democrat has come after me. No fact checker has
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  Speaker 2: ever tried to. check that fact because they know it's true.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. It's kind of crazy that the greenest member, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with the term greens is now a Republican because you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily think that. No, you wouldn't think that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I have a Tesla that charges off the
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  Speaker 2: solar panels on my house, collect rainwater.
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  Speaker 1: I dug a well.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a bunch of trees that I'm not cutting down.
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  Speaker 2: They are bringing in all kinds of CO2, although I
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  Speaker 2: like CO2. I wish I had more because it makes
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  Speaker 2: my peaches get bigger on my farm.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I raise grass-fed cattle.
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  Speaker 1: And what kind of group do you have helping you
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  Speaker 1: over there? Because I don't think you can't get out
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  Speaker 1: there first thing every day and do it all.
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  Speaker 2: I do it myself, 90% of it. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: I'm in D.C. and the cattle get loose, I've got
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  Speaker 2: a neighbor. You know, you've got to have some neighbors
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  Speaker 2: that will help you. And the deal is I'll help
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  Speaker 2: them when they need help. Oh, there's a picture of
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  Speaker 2: my cattle. They are Angus crossed with Wagyu. I call
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  Speaker 2: them Wangus.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Wangus beef. Oh, yeah. It's a little urban
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  Speaker 1: over there. Definitely. That's definitely.
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  Speaker 2: There's there's the you know, not the black sheep, but
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  Speaker 2: the white cow. He kind of stands out. I say
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that white cow in D.C.
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  Speaker 1: Some days. Like, do I really belong in this herd?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You seem like a little bit of like an outsider,
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  Speaker 1: I think, like or, you know, like a black sheep
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  Speaker 1: or like a maverick. I feel like people say if
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  Speaker 1: they talk about a maverick and they say Thomas Massey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how much money do you save by living
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  Speaker 1: the way that you do like off grid?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think I've saved a dime. It
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  Speaker 2: costs a lot to do it. You can save money
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  Speaker 2: by heating your house with wood, which I do. But
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  Speaker 2: if you start counting how much you're paying yourself when
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  Speaker 2: you chop that wood, it's probably about $ 3 an hour.
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  Speaker 2: And I could go work at Dollar General and make
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  Speaker 2: more money than I do when I save money heating
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  Speaker 2: my house with wood.
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  Speaker 1: So if I were.
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  Speaker 2: Completely poor, I could keep living. But to set all
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  Speaker 2: that up took took a large investment. It'll probably pay
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  Speaker 2: off by the time I die. So you just want
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  Speaker 2: to end the book with zero.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just clear the tab when I leave the bar.
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  Speaker 1: No debt. No debt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Cause you always wonder like, okay, I want to live
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  Speaker 1: off the grid. I want to, but there's a, there's
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  Speaker 1: a real cost to it. But a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: cost is sweat equity. Do you feel like?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sweat equity and it'll, pay back, unlike what
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  Speaker 2: we're doing in D.C. I mean, if we were borrowing
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  Speaker 2: money in D.C. to fund the future, I could be
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  Speaker 2: for borrowing money. The problem is up there, it's not
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  Speaker 2: like on my farm where you invest in fences and
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  Speaker 2: you invest in livestock. In D.C., we're just pissing away
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  Speaker 2: the money and living on basically our seed corn. We
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  Speaker 2: are taking what should be saved for the next generation
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  Speaker 2: and spending it now.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how you feel?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's we're robbing the next generation, but it's got
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  Speaker 2: so bad. We're robbing ourselves five years from now. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting that close.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about are you talking about the
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  Speaker 1: national debt overall? OK, I've heard you talk a lot
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  Speaker 1: about it. And I see you got your.
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  Speaker 2: This is my my debt badge. It shows I've got
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  Speaker 2: three levels of brightness. So if you wear it to
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  Speaker 2: the movies, you can tone it down and not blind
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  Speaker 2: your date. But okay, so I got on the brightest
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  Speaker 2: level there. Hopefully your camera can see it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wear this every second I'm in the House of Representatives.
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  Speaker 2: I wear it in hearings. I wear it in elevators
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  Speaker 2: with Democrats. They think it's how many steps I've taken.
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  Speaker 2: But I built this using my electrical engineering degree. I
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  Speaker 2: came up with this idea and I built it. It's
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  Speaker 2: got Wi-Fi. Once a day, it connects to the treasury.gov
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  Speaker 2: and calibrates to the penny. So it's the most accurate
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  Speaker 2: debt uh, representation that you can have. In fact, it's, um,
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  Speaker 2: let me make sure like Mark Zucker, Twain, this, this is,
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  Speaker 2: I brought you one as a gift.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, brother.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, hell yeah, dude, you can just stare at
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  Speaker 2: the numbers, just spending all day long. It's, um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it just clips onto your pocket there. But what kind
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  Speaker 2: of woman am I going to meet wearing this, though?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what kind you've been meeting, but you've
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  Speaker 2: really upped your game with that thing.
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  Speaker 1: You think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to think I am way broke.
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  Speaker 2: I had a female congressman staring at my chest the
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  Speaker 2: other day, and I had to tell her my eyes
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  Speaker 2: were up here. And then she asked if I would
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  Speaker 2: make a belt buckle out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, damn, brother. Yeah, people want it all nowadays. People
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  Speaker 1: just want to see your damn wiener if they can
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  Speaker 1: for free sometimes. I'm like– get away from me. But
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the national debt, actually. Can you explain
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  Speaker 1: it to me? A lot of people don't even understand
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  Speaker 1: the national debt. We hear about it. What is the
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  Speaker 1: amount right now, too? Well, we don't even really know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the regime number, the one that
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  Speaker 1: Treasury publishes. It's $ 36. 2 trillion, roughly. Trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you see this one online? It's not that accurate.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's off by a few hundred billion. we were
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  Speaker 2: shipping these debt clocks. I don't make them, but my
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  Speaker 2: son-in-law makes them and sells them. And he had somebody
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  Speaker 2: go online and find this debt counter and say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you sold me a faulty debt badge. And he's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: ours calibrates with treasury every day.
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  Speaker 1: It's so sad that we can't even get a, even
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  Speaker 1: our debt clock doesn't even, at least invest in the
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  Speaker 1: fucking clock that shows the debt, right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what they might be trying to do there online
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  Speaker 2: is anticipate when we lift the debt limit. Like, Right
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  Speaker 2: now we've hit the debt limit. So it's stuck at $ 36. 2 trillion.
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  Speaker 2: Every day they sort of reset the number until Congress
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  Speaker 2: raises the debt limit. Now you say, how did they
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  Speaker 2: do that? Well, they start selling off the postal workers
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  Speaker 2: pension fund. They take the money that's been saved up
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  Speaker 2: to pay your postman, his retirement, and they use that
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  Speaker 2: to fund other parts of the government. They can only
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  Speaker 2: do that for a few months. And that's what we've
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  Speaker 2: been doing for the first six months of this presidency
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  Speaker 2: is And pretty soon we're going to run out of
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  Speaker 2: all those extra things we can spend.
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  Speaker 1: That we're leveraging basically?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're leveraging all that. And they're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to pay it all back. So we really probably are
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  Speaker 2: closer to $ 36. 6 or $ 36. 8 trillion.
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  Speaker 1: But is that a common practice, like leveraging like pensions or?
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say like Medicaid and Medicare. They're
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  Speaker 1: not leveraging that, right? Oh, anything they can get their
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  Speaker 1: hands on.
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  Speaker 2: They liquidate it and they spend it, for instance, to
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  Speaker 2: buy bombs and send them overseas. All that deficit spending
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  Speaker 2: right now is not funded by treasury bonds. All the
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  Speaker 2: new deficit spending is funded by the trust funds that
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  Speaker 2: have been established that might have money in them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little confused on that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's like this, Theo. Let's say you saved up
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  Speaker 2: for your kids' college.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They've been going to college and you got enough to
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  Speaker 2: pay the next semester of college. But your credit card
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  Speaker 2: comes in and your credit card gets canceled. So instead
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  Speaker 2: of renewing your credit card, you just spend your kids'
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  Speaker 2: next tranche of tuition or something. But you got to
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  Speaker 2: find that money before the next semester comes back or
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  Speaker 2: else they get kicked out of school.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And so how do we find that money? Because
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  Speaker 1: obviously we repeatedly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Congress is going to pass a law here in
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  Speaker 2: the next few weeks and they're just going to say, oh, well,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: there is no debt limit. It's now $ 5 trillion higher
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: than what we said. They move the limit up. They
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: move the limit up. They get a new credit card.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: They go out, they start borrowing new money to pay
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: off the money they borrowed.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: And it's a vicious cycle. Got it. And it's obviously
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: it's a cycle that we've been in for a long time.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I think to the point where like the national debt
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense to people.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: It's like here's my question is who do we owe
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: the money to?
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: Some of it is owed to institutional investors like the
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: big banks in the United States. Some of it is
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: owed to sovereign wealth funds like China, Japan. other countries
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: that buy our debt for us. And here's the problem.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Right now, they're telling us, we don't want to buy
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: your debt at 2% or 3% or 4%. We want
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: at least 5% return. And so everybody thinks the Federal
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Reserve is setting interest rates. There's all this discussion, will
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: the Fed raise the rate? Will the Fed lower the rate?
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: The reality right now is the Fed can't do much.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Because if they lower the rate to let's say 4%
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: and try to tell people to buy our debt at 4%,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: the people who normally buy our debt, those foreign countries
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: and those institutional investors are saying, you're not a good
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: investment at 4%. We want 5%. And that's a big
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: problem because just to put it in perspective, let's round
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: this number. If it were $ 30 trillion and we were
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: paying 5%, that's– That is $ 16, 000 per family. I've already
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: done the math. I'm not doing all that in my
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: head right now, but it's $ 16, 000 per family of interest
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: that we are paying.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: So when you pay your taxes for your family, the
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: first $ 16, 000 goes to nothing except for the interest that's
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: paid to those foreign countries and to the big bankers.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: But we're never going to defeat this number.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Um, you know, we might get in a situation like
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Puerto Rico got into a few years ago where the
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: people said, we're just not loaning you anymore. And you
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: know what happens that day? It's actually kind of a,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: it'll be scary for a lot of people. For me,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: it would be a good day because that's the day
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: we have to balance the budget. When people say, we're
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: not going to loan you any more money, you're not
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: a good investment. We don't trust that you'll pay it back.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: That is the day that you can only spend as
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: much money as you take in on any given week.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And are a lot of people in Congress aware of
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: this and like battling it? Or it just seems like
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: it almost seems like we don't even hear about like
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: it seems like it's one of those things you hear
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: about during the election cycle. And that's about it. You know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: like we're going to balance the budget and it never happened.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: No one ever balances the budget. Like, do you think anyone,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: either one of these parties even want to balance the budget?
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: No, they're not serious about it. It's why I built
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the debt badge to like shove it in their face
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: every day. And it's still they're still not concerned about it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're a little bit concerned, but as long
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: as They can get reelected. They're not that concerned. And
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I don't blame them for all of it. I blame
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the American people who keep reelecting people who– because they
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: tell them you can have these things and it won't
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: cost anything. So I hear people talk about like mass
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: deportations and there's 100 billion to DHS and 50 billion
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: to DOJ to do mass deportations. Well, we know we–
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: It doesn't cost that. Whatever Trump has intended to do,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: it's not going to cost $ 150 billion. But people say,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I don't care what it costs. And the reason they
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: say I don't care what it costs is they don't
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: think they're paying it. They don't care what anything costs.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: They don't care what war in the Middle East costs
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: because they don't see that they're paying it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Well, it's all gotten so confusing. And when you start
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: with communication with people, even on a financial front, of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: this Hogwartsian number, right? When you start, because we all
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: learn basic math in school. Some of us learn algebra,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: some of us go on to learn some higher maths, right?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: But when you're starting with this, the regular person doesn't
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: know where to begin. You feel literally like numerically defeated
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: out of the gate, right? The average person, because it's like, how,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: what do you do? It's impossible. So this sets everything
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: up with impossibility, right? So I think that's why we've
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: gotten so far. We've gotten two generations now into complete
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: impossibility of numerical reality when it comes to even having
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: some of the discussions, I think. Does that make any sense? No,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. It's virtual reality.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Right. The last five digits on this deck counter, they
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: change about $ 80, 000 a second. That's like a cyber truck
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: being launched into the ocean every second. Like boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: That's how much debt we're taking on.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I hope the new model looks a little bit different.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I have a Cybertruck. Do you? Yeah. Let's put my
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: camper in it. I don't know if we can fit
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: it in there.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. That's why I have an F-250.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Dude, yeah. I think I need a something that fucking,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I want something that it feels like you'll burn to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: death when you hit something. You know what I'm saying?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I like about something that's got some real
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: fuel in it. But this thing, yeah, this thing definitely. Oh,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: there's one with a camper. But I think the new
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: ones will have better camper abilities. There's no way to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: get out of the inside, like through the back window
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: right now. And it kind of feels like you just
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: work for Lowe's, but you never drop off what you're delivering.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You're always like, where does this go? You know, like
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: how much meat's in here? It just has that very
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: like whirlpool or frigid air kind of energy. But it
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: does go very fast. You almost feel like you could
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: beat an email somewhere. Like that bitch is fast, dude. Um,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the big, let's, let's talk, since we're talking about debt,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the, uh, the big,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: beautiful bill, right?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And it, you, you oppose it. Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And there's reasons that I've learned recently that I oppose it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know a ton of them, but there's, I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: know some of my reasons, but I don't know what
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: everything it's in the bill. Um, why are you against it? Because, um, it's, well, it's,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it's not going to help our debt.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: No, that, that's the first big lie that's told about
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the big, beautiful bill. You can finagle the numbers. The big,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: beautiful bill looks at a 10 year spending window.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And what it does is in the next five years,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: it's going to add to the deficit. Like nobody disputes that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Even the number crunchers that work for the president know
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that's going to happen. What they're claiming is five years
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: from now. It will start to break even and reduce
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the deficit. The problem is the people I serve with,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of them aren't going to be there five
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: years from now. President Trump's not going to be there
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: five years from now. This big, beautiful bill doesn't force
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: people five years from now to do that. It suggests
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that they should do that, and it will do that
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: unless– Somebody does something different, but they're going to do
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: something different five years from now. We'll get to that
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: point and they'll say, oh, my gosh, that Congress five
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: years ago set up a fiscal cliff. We're going to
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: be hit with tax increases on seniors. We're going to
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: be hit with tax on tips. We're going to be
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: hit with tax on overtime.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: The military is not going to get as much money
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: as it got last year. We got to do something
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: about this. And so what they'll do is they'll cut
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: taxes again. And they'll increase spending again, and this deficit
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: will never go down. And I'm not even talking about
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the debt. The deficit is how much you add to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the debt every year. It's about $ 2 trillion. It's going
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to be above $ 2 trillion next year and far as
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the eye can see.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: But I got to talk with J.D. Vance a couple
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and he was talking about that a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: lot of what's happening now is still because of the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: last party that was in.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of it's still because of what
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Trump did when he was in last time.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how far– it's tough to– like as
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a regular person, it's tough to correlate how far up
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: or downstream you are from whatever who is actually responsible
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: for whatever is occurring. Does that make sense?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: It does make sense. But in 2020, we had COVID hit. Mm-hmm.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: And they put a $ 2 trillion spending bill on the floor.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And I was the only one who would oppose it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I said, this is going to cause, this was, Trump
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: was president and Pelosi was speaker, but they were working together.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I said, this is going to cause massive inflation. You're
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: going to have shortages in the stores. And this is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: going to last for years. And the inflation, once it happens,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the prices will never go back down. And that's exactly
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: what happened. They said, Congressman Massey, the president's chief of
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: staff at the time told me, He said, it was
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Mark Meadows, who's a friend of mine. We both worked
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: together in Congress. He said, the reason this is $ 2
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: trillion is so we don't have to pass another one
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: of these. It's just going to be painful once.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Well, guess what?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: By the time December rolled around under Trump, we passed
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: another one of these stimulus packages that was over a
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: trillion dollars. And don't forget, people got a $ 1, 200 check
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the first time and they got a $ 600 check the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: second time. I told folks that's the cheese in the trap.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That $ 1, 200 check, you multiply that times the number of
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: families in the United States, it wasn't 5% of the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: spending in that bill. Most of that money went to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: corporations and banks eventually. And so everybody's responsible for it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody wants to point to the other party for it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But I don't want to upset too many people who
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: like wrestling, but it's like the WWF, okay, or.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's felt like this for years. I think everything
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: is turning into the, to the WWE, everything. It's all,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it's all like, um, optics and the way things are
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: shot and this is out there and this is what
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you believe. It's like, interviews that are just to get
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the hype. And then they offstage, they're all in the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: locker room, like rubbing GHB on each other's backs and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: stuff like that and gramming out.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something that probably will shock your listeners,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: whether they're Republican or Democrat. Mike Johnson, since he's been
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the speaker, and he's only been the speaker for less
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: than two years, has put 183 Democrat bills on the
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: floor and passed them. What did he trade for that? Like,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I thought we were breaking chairs over top of the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Democrats' heads in the back room. No, that's not what's happening.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: How do I look that up?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Go to congress.gov. Mike Johnson's out of Shreveport.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yep. He's the Speaker of the House.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. But you can see, I'm not sure how
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you look it up here at congress.gov, but if you
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: spend enough time here and look at every bill that's
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: passed since he's been Speaker, and I'm not talking about
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the special bills that reassign committee members. I'm talking about
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: bills that do something. 183 Democrat-sponsored bills. And you might say, Theo, well,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the Democrats have good ideas, okay? We should put their
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: bills on the floor. Well, if I had a good idea,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: what Speaker Johnson would do would Take that bill from me,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: put somebody else's name on it, and put it on
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the floor. Like, if there's something that needs to get done,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: why would you let a Democrat get credit for it
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: if you're in this mortal combat with the other party?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: But has he made a lot of Republican bills passed, too? Yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: There's been way more Republican bills than Democrat bills. But
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: why has he even passed one Democrat bill?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I think, don't you want to work with the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: other team? Isn't there diplomacy and everything? You know what
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? There's a give and take to everything, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: feel like.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: We've got the majority. Like, why are we putting their
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: bills on the floor? Why would we go in that direction?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I understand in the Senate, you need 60 votes. So
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you got to have a Democrat.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: But some of the bills are good, right?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: If Thomas Massey has a good bill, they'll put another
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Republican's name on it and pass it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: But I can't understand what you're saying here. I guess
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit confused. Are you saying that Mr.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Johnson- who is the Speaker of the House. Because bills
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: get brought to him, he puts them on the floor, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: He's the one who's like, okay, let's put this on
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the floor and take it to a vote, right? And
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: you're saying that he's done that with more Democratic-led bills
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: than Republican-led bills.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: No, he's done it with 183 Democratic bills. There's probably
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: been several hundred Republican bills. My question, though, is why
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: would you put one on if you're engaged in this
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: kind of mortal combat for the soul of the country
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and he acts like that? It's because people aren't paying
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: attention to what's going on there.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I agree that I think people aren't paying attention.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's there's so it's all so confusing, I think,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to the regular person is that it's that it feels
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like it feels like the ship sailed long ago from
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: us being at the dock, looking each other in the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: eyes with some sense of hope.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Congress is this big, giant black box and people can't
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: see what's going on inside of that black box. They
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: know they're electing their congressman. and two of their senators,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and the president, and they're sending them to Washington, D.C.,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and then they don't understand what comes out of that box.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I've been in that box for 12 years, and I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: think that's sort of what my role has evolved to,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: which is to just try to tell people what's going
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: on inside of the box so that they can do
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a better job of picking congressmen and senators.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I always think. I'm like, if somebody would
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: just get elected, just to get in there and tell
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: us what's... We don't even fucking... we'll buy you a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Volvo or whatever. Fucking, you know what I'm saying? We'll
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: give you some Taiwan semiconductor shares. But just tell us
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: what's happening in there. Somebody fucking look in there and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: just throw a note out and be like, hey, this
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is what's really going on. Now the problem we start
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: to get into is there's so much like pandering and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: everything and so much social media used to like try
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and disguise who the messenger is. It really turns into
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a game. And I think that is one thing that's,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: That's the only joy of it is watching the masters
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: of this just Game of Thrones type of energy go on.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: So the biggest, I'll tell you right now, this would
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: be 50% of solving the problem. It's not a silver bullet,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: but it's a lot of it. Get rid of the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: giant bills, okay? The omnibus bills, the continuing resolutions, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: even the big beautiful bill. Mm-hmm. Why not put that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: shit on the floor one at a time?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: And then that way, you can go to your representative
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: or your senators and say, why did you vote for that?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Right now, they can say, well, Theo, I had to
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: vote for it. I had a pay raise for soldiers, right?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: They literally will put a pay raise for soldiers in
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: every freaking bill. giant bill, so that if you vote
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: against it, you have to go back home and watch
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: TV ads that say he voted against a pay raise
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: for the soldiers. Right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Even though he may have voted for 90 other amazing
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: things on the bill, right? Right. And that was one
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: thing that was tied in there that if you went
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: this way, you know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It may have been like oxygen for grandmothers, right? Literally,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: there probably is that in there. But if you vote
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: for oxygen for grandmothers and you cannot, they're not going
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to give. So I see what you're saying.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I voted against oxygen for grandmothers so many times they
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: can't even run that ad anymore.
• 29:58
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  Speaker 1: stop these omnibus bills? And bring up omnibus bill. We
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  Speaker 1: looked it up the other day when Mr. Vance was here,
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  Speaker 1: omnibus bill is proposed law that covers a number of
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  Speaker 1: diverse or unrelated topics. Omnibus is derived from Latin. It
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  Speaker 1: really fair because you only get one vote on the bill? Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And so typically an omnibus bill, it includes at least
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  Speaker 2: a law that says we're supposed to do these bills separately.
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  Speaker 2: So we've already tried the law. We already tried that, Theo.
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  Speaker 1: Rules, every year. Okay. But take me through this moment
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  Speaker 1: so I don't stray from it so people can be–
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  Speaker 1: so I can understand it. So, like, give me two
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  Speaker 1: examples of things that would be on an omnibus bill
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  Speaker 1: that would be– that there's no way for a voter
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  Speaker 1: to win, that there's no way for a representative to
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  Speaker 2: Well, the easiest– let me just take something topical, the big,
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  Speaker 2: beautiful bill. Mm-hmm. inside of that big, beautiful bill is
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  Speaker 2: a provision for artificial intelligence corporations that says.
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  Speaker 1: No- 10 years, 10 years. For 10 years.
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  Speaker 2: No state or locality can regulate them. And then it
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  Speaker 2: talks about zoning and routing, which if you, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some of your listeners may have seen this, like locally, somebody,
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  Speaker 2: some big corporation wants to put a data center in
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  Speaker 2: your backyard. Well, that's what Congress is trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to say that These corporations can override local
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  Speaker 2: zoning laws that the local zoning board should take a
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  Speaker 2: backseat and let this big information center show up in
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  Speaker 2: your backyard that uses all kinds of water and all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of power and puts out all kinds of RF
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  Speaker 2: and has, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, your fucking cousin's going to be walking down
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  Speaker 1: the street just fucking screaming out Amazon orders. The shit
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  Speaker 1: that's going to start happening is going to be crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You're literally going to be driving down the road with
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  Speaker 1: your windows open and an old gust of 5G remnants
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  Speaker 1: from Blockbuster emails that never got uploaded are just going
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  Speaker 1: to pass through your fucking vehicle. Shit's gonna get insane.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna have babies that are born with Advertisements like
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  Speaker 1: birthmarks that show up as this fucking is a set
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• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So that's in the big beautiful bill Okay, and you
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: can know that's evil you can know that's bad and
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and Trump never campaigned on that But also in that
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: bill is to enforce our borders. Okay to finish the wall, right?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: So if you're a Republican and And you vote for
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that bill.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: You supported enforcing the border, but you also let AI
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: basically take over your local and state governments.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And then if you vote against it, well, then you're
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: against the AI provision, but oh my gosh, you're for
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: open borders. You know, you're for, you don't want to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: support the military.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: There was a hundred billion dollars in there for the military.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: There was, oh, you want to tax seniors. There was
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a tax cut for seniors. There was an extension of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the tax cuts from 2017. I voted for the 2017
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: tax cuts, but I voted against this 2025 bill because
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: it's got a lot of crap in there that doesn't
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: belong and it's going to balloon our deficit. So you
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: can't win for losing. And so I don't blame a
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: lot of my colleagues. They come to Congress, they have
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the best intentions, and you get there and you're like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this whole game is rigged. How am
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I going to play it? Am I going to call
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: it out? Will that be the best for my constituents
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: who elected me? Or should I play along? And most
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of them choose to play along. And you can't really
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: blame them. They feel like, oh, my fiduciary duty to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the people who elected me is to get as much
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: as I can up here. And if I piss off
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the Trump and I piss off Mike Johnson, I can't
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: get any table scraps. But the reality is they're not
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: even getting table scraps anymore.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: They are trading.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I say every week, congressmen trade their votes for magic
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: beans that never sprout, like Jack and the Beanstalk. He
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: trades a cow for magic beans. The difference is Jack
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: got beans that sprouted. My congressmen, they're not getting gas vouchers.
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  Speaker 2: They're not getting a Cracker Barrel gift certificate.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: So explain to me how that part works. So that's
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a part that I don't understand because you mentioned a
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: little while ago, you're like, I could have a bill
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and I put it forward because Mike Johnson seems like
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a good guy. He doesn't seem like somebody that would
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: take something that was yours and make it somebody else's. Like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're so I don't understand what
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you're saying. Like, how does that work? And take me
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: through like like how can you put a bill out
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and people would know what your bill? I mean, obviously,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: is there information online that says this is a bill
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that Thomas Massey made or that any person made like
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: any representative made?
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: The other thing they'll do with your bills is they'll
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: stick them in another bill.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'll give you an example. Yeah, show me how
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you're saying that people aren't even getting the scraps or whatever.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Right. Take me through some
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Well, they're not– Theo, I tell people– I joke with
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: my colleagues up there. They're like, Massey, why– you're not
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: a sellout. I'm just like, I look at him in
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the eye. I said, I'm a big sellout up here.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Like I would sell out for Snickers bar, but you
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: guys aren't even getting a Snickers bar. You're not getting
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: a bridge in your district. You're not getting a new
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: exit off the interstate. You're not getting anything for your vote.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Like nobody's ever offered me anything up there of value.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I don't even know myself. I could be the biggest
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: sellout there is. There's just no trade up there that's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: worth taking. And so mostly people are trying to stay
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: relevant and get reelected. Right.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense, right? Everybody's looking out for themselves
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: in a sense. But you would think at some point
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that even that would lose its appeal when you look
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: around your town or your community. And you see that like, oh, man,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: by not really benefiting the people, it's all falling apart.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: By not really benefiting the country, it's falling apart. And fuck,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to sound like a downer again. I don't
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: want to do that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: It should.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It should. But take me through. Take me through what
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, how you put a bill up and
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: it doesn't get labeled yours. So it's plagiarism? I don't
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: understand what you're saying.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Well. And then if you do get something done by
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: working inside of the system, they'll just, you won't get
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: any credit for it. So for instance, uh, when Ron
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Paul left Congress, I came into Congress and I, and
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that's Randy's daddy.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yep. Rand's dad.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I introduced a lot of Ron Paul's bills and one
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: was the industrial hemp farming act because it was illegal.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: They treated hemp just like marijuana. It was illegal to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: grow it according to federal government. Uh, So I introduced
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: that bill, and I got a lot of co-sponsors, and
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I figured out a way to work with Democrats and
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: get it into the farm bill. Now, it was a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Republican farm bill that I got it into, but I
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: needed Democrat and Republican votes to do it, and I
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: got it in the farm bill. But now people online say, oh,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Congressman Massey– and it became law, by the way, and
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: people can grow industrial hemp.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: In all 50 states.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: That's the rest of the story.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. A lot of chicks that don't wear deodorant
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: are working on those farms. Working on those places. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: no offense, ladies. I don't mind it. But yeah, no,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that we have another product in our country,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: you know? Right.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And so that became law. That was one of my bills,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: but nobody ever gives me credit for it because it
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: wasn't a separate bill that said, and by the way,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I voted for that crap.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Sandwich, the farm bill, which is a big giant bill.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And then I took crap for voting for that because
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it had my thing in it, but now I don't
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: get credit for it. But I haven't particularly had bills
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: where somebody took my name off them and put somebody
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: else's name, but my colleagues have.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Okay. So you haven't had that exact thing happen to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: you from Mike Johnson?
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: No.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: But you've seen it happen?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: You're saying?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And if it did, I wouldn't care that much.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a good bill, it can happen.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people, you know, they need to
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: go back to their district and say, I got this done.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see. So a lot of times people don't
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: know from the– from their Congress people or their representatives
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that they actually got this thing done.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So there's a communication issue there.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And then there's another thing that happens, like some Congressman
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: gets to DC and they have this bill they wanted
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: to pass even before he was a Congressman. And they say,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: we'll put your name on it and then you'll get
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: credit for it. And then the Congressman has no idea
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: about the subject or anything. So I had, there was
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: a bill that came to the floor. It was about opioids. Okay.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: And I voted against it. And the sponsor of the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: bill comes up to me and says, why did you
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: vote against my bill? And I said, well, I'm not
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: against research or things like that at the federal level,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: but this is basically a form of Obamacare. And I
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: thought we were against that, like because this had treatment
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: and stuff which should be handled at the state level.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And he looked at me, said, you're right. He said,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I'd vote against this, too, if it weren't my bill.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: He said the leadership gave it to me and told
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: me to bring it to the floor and it would
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: help me get reelected.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I swear to the Lord above, that is an exact
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: conversation I had on the floor.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I believe you did.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Congressman from Wisconsin. He's still there.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: He is?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: White guy, I bet, huh?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: That was a guess, dude. That was a guess.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: By the way, but not to pick on him because
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: that year we passed like 38 opioid bills.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: They're all redundant.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: They just gave everybody they were trying to get reelected,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: they give them an opioid bill.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were renewing more prescriptions for opioid bills
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: than they were opioids. That's the craziest part of it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And the Sackler family never even went to fucking jail.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And some people believe that the Sackler family should be electrocuted. Allegedly.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know them. And I don't even know if
• 43:37
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• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that slander for saying that? Can I go to jail
• 43:42
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• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You can, but I can't. So maybe I should say it.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: There's something in the constitution called the speech or debate clause.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: And so I can go to the floor of the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: house of representatives and lie.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I can tell.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Every lie I want and nobody can do anything about it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And it's called the speech or debate clause. Our staff.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look this up. The speech or debate clause found
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: in Article 1, Section 6 of the U.S. Constitution protects
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: members of Congress from being questioned in any other place
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: for their speech or debate in either house. So let
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: me read it again. Protects members of Congress from being
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: questioned in any other place.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Which means you can't be questioned in a courtroom. You
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: can't be sued.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: No way. You can't be.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Now, read the next sentence, though, because there's a good
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: reason for it.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: This clause, rooted in historical struggles for parliamentary independence, aims
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: to safeguard the independence and integrity of the legislative branch
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: by preventing interference from the executive or judicial branches.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: So... So when people, you know, even our founders, this
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: is a, this is a hard pill to swallow.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: But even a little bit confused at this moment.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Well, even our founders thought that there were some laws
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that shouldn't apply to congressmen because if they did, they
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: would get abused. And like a Democrat president would arrest
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: members of Congress for saying things on the floor of
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the house. Cause it ha that's what the King did
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: back in England. The King would arrest members of parliament
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: if he didn't like what they said.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Ah, I see what you're saying.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Or you could get a private individual to sue a
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: member of Congress for something they said. And then that
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: would basically freeze the debate and members of Congress would
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: be afraid to speak. They would send their speeches to
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: lawyers before they said them, you know, if this didn't exist.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So this is kind of a fascinating little part of
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: our constitution is And even though it seems wrong to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: give members of Congress extra First Amendment protection, the founders
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: thought this was the best way to do it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: So you could go to court right now and lie
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: on the stand?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: No. I can lie about anything, but I got to
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: be on the floor of the House or it has
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to be attached to my official business. So I'm probably
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: covered on social media and– I could just say defamatory
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: things about you. I could release natural national secrets. Um, and,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: and this also covers my staff as well. Hmm.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: God, interesting. But can you, but am I going to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: go to Jeff for calling the sack or say, say
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I got electrocuted? Yeah, probably. Shit. So what do I
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: do to bleep it out? No, you need to run
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: for Congress. Oh, that's hilarious, dude. And I only say,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I don't really even say those words myself. I just
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: say that on the, This is the spirit of hundreds
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of thousands of opioid addicts who died channeling through me
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: for just a brief second. Forgive me. I'm back. All right.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It starts to feel like neither party. Wait, wait. So
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: could I I'm thinking about this. Could we ask? Could
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson put a bill on the floor about the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: omnibus thing?
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And then we could see who had voted for it
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and vote against it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: He could, but he's not going to. Right.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Because it would be too dangerous.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: It's way too dangerous. I mean, the lobbyists love it
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: They love the opaqueness of that black box that Americans
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: can't look into it and see what's going on. Yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Because they're inside the black box.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: They get to craft language and special provisions in those
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: big giant bills. And they're so big and we're not
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: given time to read them. But you got to remember, Theo, like,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: A lot of my colleagues wouldn't read these bills even
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: if they were given three months to read them. What
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: they're doing by rushing these bills through is they're not
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: who doing the congressman.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: They're who doing the public. Of course. No, I think
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. It's like because we just send
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: one set of eyes and brain up there to handle
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: something or a couple sets if you have a few reps.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: But it's so much information at once. It's all the
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: same thing. It's literally like a bus passing by. It's
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: like with a car passing by, you can get an
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: idea of what's on it. You can look at the wheels.
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  Speaker 1: You can check the exhaust. You might be able to
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  Speaker 1: see who's in there. But when a bus goes by,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, fuck, I don't know. Was a driver awake?
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of like– that's how it certainly starts to appear.
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  Speaker 2: And the windows are painted black on the bus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. And somebody wrote just married to a trans
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: man on the windows with chalk or whatever with window paint.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Here's my question. Is anybody representing the people anymore? Because
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: it kind of feels like– it used to feel like
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the parties were against each other. And now it feels
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: like it's the government versus the people. That's what it
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: feels like. I think it is.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I call it the uniparty. Last year, Marjorie
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Taylor Greene and I introduced a resolution to oust Mike Johnson.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: After Mike Johnson put a bill on the floor and
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: was the tie-breaking vote to send more money to Ukraine
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: after he passed another omnibus, After he passed another bill
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to spy on Americans using mostly Democrat votes because a
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: lot of Republicans are waking up to that and didn't
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: vote for it. After he did like three or four
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: really bad things, Marjorie and I put a resolution on
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the floor.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Which you think are bad things, right? I think they're
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: bad things.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Spying spying on americans sending all the money to ukraine
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: yeah i think they are i think they're not republican
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: priorities and so and he's a republican speaker so we
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: put a resolution on the floor to vacate the speaker's
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: office and what does that mean to get a new
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: speaker get a new speaker okay and um typically no
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: democrat will vote for that And if he doesn't have
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: enough Republicans to sustain that vote, he will lose and
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: he'll get a new speaker.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Why would no Democrat vote for that?
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Well, for the first time in history, they did. Like,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: they did vote to keep Mike Johnson because it was
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: as good as they've ever had it. They were getting
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: everything they wanted. You believe he was helping their party? Yeah,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: he was helping their party, so they kept him in power.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: So it is really hard to change things. You can
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: occasionally— get people to try, but the consequences of trying
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and losing can be great. Like they call up all
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the lobbyists and say, quit giving money to that member
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: of Congress. They'll call up donors in your district. They'll
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: call up constituents and have constituents call you up. Or
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the new thing recently is to fund social media campaigns.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: The NRCC, National Republican Congressional Committee, they spend money on
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Twitter influencers who then do things against who knows what.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're directing them. That part isn't transparent, but
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: it's directed toward me, for instance. Our own party is
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: coordinating efforts against me.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Well, then at that point, that's what I'm saying. There's
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a party that's, it's them against you. Which is okay.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I've got a thick skin.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, it feels like it's you guys
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: are playing this game, but it's all against the voter.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: None of it is for the voter anymore. It doesn't,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? It's like, it feels like,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It just feels like it's the voter
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: against the politicians. And it just starts to feel really,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: really scary for sure. Have you thought about becoming an
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: independent or is that not a, is that too, is
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: that death? I've thought about it a lot.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that surprised me when I
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: got to Congress is there's two of everything. So there's
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: two cloak rooms. There's a Democrat cloak room.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Say that part again. There's a Democrat cloak room? Cloak
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: room and a Republican cloak room.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: This is like when you show up to vote, there's
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: a little clubhouse, two little clubhouses attached to Congress. You
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: can go back there and get a hot dog and
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: a hot ham and cheese and ice cream sandwich.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Get a hot blonde, too, huh?
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: That is our cloak room right there on the right.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Is that really? Yeah.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: You go back there, although there's some computers as well.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: That's looking in one direction. If you look in the
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: other direction— There's a sandwich. They're not showing the sandwich bar.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I'd love it. Oh, there's a sandwich bar. Yeah, that's it. Oh,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Now, that's the old. That's the Democrat cloakroom. The Republican
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: one looks just the same. OK. OK.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. A little mortadella. There's only two cloakrooms.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: So if you were truly independent and you came to Congress,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: there'd be nowhere to get a hot dog or to call.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: People go in there and call their lobbyist friends. Yeah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Like during votes, you'll get a call and they'll say, hey,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: don't dare vote for this. Or maybe they'll call up
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a member of Congress will go to the cloakroom, call
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: and ask for advice. Any case, there's also things called
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: backrooms on every committee. You've heard of backroom deals. Mm hmm.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: When I got to Congress, people are using the word
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: backroom because there are backrooms behind the committee rooms where
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: you go back and do your huddle. But there's only
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: two huddles. There's the Democrat huddle and the Republican huddle,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and there's only two backrooms. So I say if you
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: were an independent, you're going against the architecture. It's not
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: just tradition. It's built into marble and oak. There can
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: only be two parties. That's how strong they have put
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: it in. And if you're bipartisan, that means you like
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: both parties. I say that if you're– I'm not bipartisan.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'm transpartisan. Trans means you can't identify with either some days.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know which cloakroom to go into. Some days
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: they don't want me in either cloakroom. So I feel
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: like I'm a transpartisan.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: At least you can be out in the van outside.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Some days I have gone out to the camper and
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: just like drink some raw milk and just be like,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: we're so screwed. Let's go back in and try it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: But I think it is hard. It would be really
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: hard to have an independent party or to get elected
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: as an independent.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I think. Yes, that's true.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: But never forget this. There's really like six parties up
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: there in D.C. and they've been shoehorned. Into two different cloakrooms. Right.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: And so you got to pick which.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: So either way, if you had a separate party, you're
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: kind of still in one cloakroom or the other. You're
• 54:12
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• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a guy from Maine. His name is
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Angus King. He's a senator and he runs as an
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: independent and he gets elected as an independent. And then
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: he goes in the Democrat cloakroom. Mm-hmm.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's him. Oh, yeah, he definitely looks like
• 54:28
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• 54:33
  Speaker 2: You may have heard the term rhino, Republican in name only.
• 54:38
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• 54:40
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• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And Bernie Sanders did this, too, and then caucuses with
• 54:48
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  Speaker 2: There's some aspects of lobbying that people don't think about.
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  Speaker 2: Like for instance, I think there are just as many
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  Speaker 2: lobbyists over at the white house as they are in Congress.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you mean? Some people are almost just
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  Speaker 1: elected lobbyists? Well, no.
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  Speaker 2: They spend their time talking to White House officials because
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  Speaker 2: for bills. And if the same party is in power
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  Speaker 2: in the White House and in Congress, like the big
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  Speaker 2: you think of lobbyists talking to your senator and your congressman,
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  Speaker 2: they're all over DC. They're talking to bureaucrats. They're talking
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  Speaker 2: to people, cabinet secretaries, because they know it's sometimes easier
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: to get written into the budget if they're over there lobbying.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Another thing to know about lobbyists, I mean, there's lobbyists
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: for the Alzheimer's or people who have Alzheimer's. There are lobbyists. Yeah,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: there are lobbyists for people with rare blood disorders, OK,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: there's lobbyists for the Concrete Association. If if there is
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: a group of people, they have lobbyists. And so they're
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: in some people's enemies. Lobbyist enemies are other people's lobbying friends.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Like there are pro Second Amendment lobbyists who are up
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: there fighting for the Second Amendment. And, you know, the
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Democrats hate those lobbyists, but those are lobbyists the Republicans
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: kind of like. So the question is, you know, and
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: sometimes my constituents, they don't know how to get to D.C.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: and how to talk to all the congressmen from Kentucky
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: and both senators. And so they hire lobbyists to come
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: and do that.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I would outlaw lobbyists. Sometimes they're
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: actually helpful. Like let's say the concrete lobbyist, you got to,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: you got the concrete lobbyist fighting with the asphalt lobbyist
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: on what's going to be the road surface.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Well, if all you hear is from the asphalt lobbyists,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: you would just buy asphalt. And then you hear from
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the concrete lobbyists. And so it's really to get to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the truth. You need adversarial opinions. Um, The problem is
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't blame the lobbyists for advocating for their group
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: of people.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I would blame the.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Congressmen who basically put that crap in the bills. And again,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I would go back to separating the votes. How do
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: you know that your congressman is sold out to Big Pharma,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: for instance, if Big Pharma is only one one tenth
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: of the bill? Right.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: And there's pay raises for veterans in there. So they
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: can hide the fact that they're selling out over here
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: by buying in over here.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: God, it almost sounds fun.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Now, there's one group of lobbyists I don't think really
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: should exist or should have access to U.S. offices, and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: those are foreign lobbyists.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've heard you talk about this before, and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people are talking about it now.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: It's definitely become a hot topic. And APAC is one
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: of the big ones. And that stands for American? American, Israeli, political.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: It's not a fund. It didn't start out as a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: super PAC.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Political Action Committee? Public Affairs Committee. There we go. Public
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Affairs Committee. American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Now, a lot of times PAC stands for Political Action Committee,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: like you said. But these guys were started before there
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: were political action committees. So it stands for Public Affairs Committee.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: And they brag that they've spent more on elections than
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: any other lobbying group.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: In the world? In the United States. In the United States.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: In Congress. Okay.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: They now do have a political action committee. And I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: forget what the name of it is. So APAC has
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: a subsidiary that spends money to basically crack heads of congressmen.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: So there's two kinds of, by the way, there are
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: two kinds of lobbying groups. There's access lobbying. That's where
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: they're all your friends. They're never mean to you. Even
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: if they don't like you, they'll buy you a steak
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: dinner and they'll try to get you to hear out
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: their point of view. And they figure as long as
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I can get in that person's office, I'm doing well
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: for the people I'm lobbying for. But then there are
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: confrontational lobbyists like AIPAC. And AIPAC has transitioned into a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: confrontational lobbying group where if you don't do what they want,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: they come after you. Wow.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: And what does it look like?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: They spent $ 400, 000 against me in my last election. And
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: they are basically advertised themselves as just all things Israel.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: They are lobbying for more money to go to Israel,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: which all the money we give to Israel is military money.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: So they are basically lobbyists for the military-industrial complex.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Got it. Understood. And I'll ask you some questions about that,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the military-industrial complex, in a few minutes. But do you
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: feel like Israel is a fair ally? Are they a
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: good ally for us? Well– Or is that too general
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: of a question?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it doesn't matter. There's no big, giant
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Great Britain lobby. There's no Australian lobby. There's no German lobby.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, the other countries don't have them. No, no, not
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: like this. This is singular. This is unique.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're an ally, why wouldn't we work
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: with you? Why do you have to convince us that
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: you're our ally? Why do you have to basically go
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: into every congressional office and convince them? And it's because
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: they want to keep the money flowing. And they've got
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: a good return on their investment. I mean, we send
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: more foreign aid to Israel than to any other country. They're,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: you know, like 10 million people or something. Tennessee, I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: don't know this population in Tennessee, but it's probably about,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: you know, on that order.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this year they said we spent like
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: $ 12 billion, but that's not actual dollars. It's in military aid, right?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's well, it's, it's dollars that comes out of
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: the treasury. Yeah. But it's not like we give them,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: it's a, it's a gift certificate that's redeemable at Lockheed
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Martin and your local Raytheon.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of how that works.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Why, yeah. Why do they have this
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: carve out that's just for them? Like, what, like, what
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: do we get from Israel? Do you feel like?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we got a lot of countries that hate us.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: It's one of the things we get.
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  Speaker 1: Well, especially right now with this stuff in Gaza, I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: think it's Israel's– it's one of the worst PR campaigns
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life if they're even– it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. It's like I just
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: don't– it gives their government this extremely evil look to me.
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  Speaker 1: And I think to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Well, rough numbers, there are 2 million people in Gaza
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: and 50,000 have been killed. That's two and a half percent.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Like they've killed one in 40 people in Gaza. If
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: you did that in the United States, if you did
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: two and a half percent of 350 million, it'd be
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: almost 10 million people dead in the United States. Everybody
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: in Gaza is at this point related to somebody who's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: been killed. Like at least the first cousin had killed.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: And then if you say how many have been maimed,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: it's probably three or four times that. So everybody in
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Gaza knows people who've been killed in Maine.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And we're supporting it, right? That's also the part that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: makes it really tough sometimes to just be a person.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: It's like we– our tax money is going towards this.
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  Speaker 1: But I just hope that people in some of these
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: other countries know that it's not regular everyday people who
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: would want to do these things, that it's like– government's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: making these choices and it's corporate interests that make these choices.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: How would we stop it? Do we need this connection
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: with Israel? What is it? No one ever explains what
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: it's for, I feel like, right? That would help everybody
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: have a much better understanding, you know, because it starts
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: to feel like America is just a shell company, an
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: LLC for Israel. That's what it starts to feel like
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know. Do you feel like
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: that that's realistic or do you feel like that that's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: off base?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't send them a dime. That's my position. I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: don't think whatever we're getting isn't worth it. And don't
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: ask me to articulate the benefit because I think the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: cost is greater than the benefit. Everybody in Gaza is
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: at this point has to hate Israel.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: And by extension, those bombs, when they see American politicians
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: go over there and like sign the frickin bombs that
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: are going to kill women and children.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, what are we actually, there was just a clip
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: with Ted Cruz that came up. Can you see if
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: you can find that Trevin where, yeah, where Tucker Carlson
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: was interviewing Ted Cruz. Let me see. This is a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: scary interview during the Tucker Carlson interview with Ted Cruz.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: It's confirmed Israel's version of the CIA called Mossad spies. Oh,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it's about spying. It's like what we get. Let's, let's
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: just watch it for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Does Mossad share all of its intelligence with us? Oh,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: probably not, but they share a lot. We don't share
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: all of our intelligence with them, but we share a lot.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: It's a close alliance. Do they spy domestically in the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: United States? Oh, they probably do. And we do as well.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: And friends and allies spy on each other. And I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: assume all of our allies spy on us.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: And it's okay with you? You know what?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: One of the things about being a conservative is that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: you're not naive and utopian. You don't think humans are all...
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Part of the reason socialism doesn't work is... The mantra
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: from each according to his abilities to each according to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: his needs doesn't work. As a conservative, I assume people
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: act in their rational self-interest. So it's conservative to pay
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: people to spy on you? It's conservative to recognize that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: human beings act to their own self-interest, and every one
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: of our friends spies on us.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm not— Do you like it? That's my question.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking whether they have motive to do it.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Of course they do. I understand that. And by the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: way— I'm not mad at them. You're an American lawmaker,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: so I just want to know your attitude.
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  Speaker 3: You said that your guiding principle, in fact, the only principle,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: the only criterion.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I said guiding. The overwhelming. I wouldn't say only. Is
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: it in America's interest? Is it in America's interest for
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Israel to spy on us, including on the president?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: It is in America's interest to be closely allied with
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Israel because we get.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: What do we get? That's the thing. It's painful to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: watch that.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: So when I'm in a room with somebody and they say,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: can I talk to you, you know, just frankly, is
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: anybody listening? I say, well, there's three nation states plus
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: our own in my phone. Yeah. There's going to be Russia,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: China and Israel.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: They're in our phone? No, not yours. Like it's a
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: lot of effort to. Anybody can be hacked, okay? Oh,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I thought one of the reasons... I got to go
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: to Qatar recently, and I'm wondering if they hacked my phone.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I thought they were good. I don't know if that's crazy.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably continuously hacked, okay?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. It just seems like everything's hacked now.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: I get scared, you know?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: But if you're not.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I play the Israeli national anthem every 45 minutes.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Look... Amazon and Facebook know what you're saying in your phone, right?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: But probably Israel and Russia and China aren't devoting that
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: effort and internet traffic, which can become detectable.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: To us.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: But you're probably, you know, why.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you be trying to hear what the 535 people
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: in Washington, D.C.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Who vote on bills, what they are thinking?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, Also, there are allegedly some congressmen
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: who indulge in insider trading, but I would guess that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: there are probably some hackers who are also inside of
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: congressmen's phones trying to figure out what the sentiment is
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: in Washington, D.C., and then trading on that.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: So there's always this extra layer kind of going on,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: it feels like. But what do you think we get
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: from Israel? I think it's just a big question. I
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: think it's okay as a regular person and I might
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: get killed or something by Mossad or something. But what
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: do we get from them as a country? Like is
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: there– I think there's just– that's a big question America
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: has right now. Is there something we just don't see?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: And if there is, just tell us what it is
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: so we can operate accordingly.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: No, I think they're the best lobbying group in Washington, D.C.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: And the reason they can do it is you have
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: dual citizens, people who are American and Israeli, who are
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: allowed– to give money into American politics because they're American.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: And by virtue of that, you're allowed to participate. But
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: if you're a foreign national, you're not allowed to. So
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: they're one of the few countries that can donate money
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: to what? To super PACs, to members of Congress.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Other countries aren't allowed to do that. Well, I mean,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: they could if.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: You were dual citizens, but there's not so many dual
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: citizens as it were.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: But could somebody be a Russian and American dual citizen
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: and serve in Congress?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Sure, and donate to congressmen. By the way, I have
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: introduced a bill that would require members of Congress to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: disclose if they are dual citizens. And I think that's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: only fair.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Right, because right now you could have allegiance to another country,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: not just the USA. Correct.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: We swear an allegiance when you're a member of Congress
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: to the Constitution. I always like to point this out.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: We're not swearing it to the country. We're not swearing
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: it to the president. We're not swearing it to our party.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: We swear it to the Constitution. And other countries have
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: constitutions too. What if you've taken allegiance to two different constitutions?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm not even– my bill wouldn't even keep you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: from being a member of Congress.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: It would just say you have to disclose it if
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you are.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it wouldn't necessarily just be Israel–
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: members of Congress who are also citizens of Israel. It
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: could be other countries as well. I just think it
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: creates a conflict of interest. And, you know, I have
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: to disclose yearly which stocks I own. I have to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: disclose all my personal financial information so that the voters
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: can decide if I am unduly influenced by that conflict
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: of interest. And so that's The structure of my bill,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: my bill just– it's an election disclosure.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: You're running for Congress. Bring it up. Tell us which countries.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: You are a– Representative Thomas Massey announces the introduction of H.R. 2356,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: the Dual Loyalty Disclosure Act. Representative Massey's legislation amends the
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Federal Election Campaign Act to require candidates for federal office
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: to disclose both their possession of dual citizenship and also
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: the foreign country in which their dual citizenship is held.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: So right now, we don't have to, people don't have
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: to disclose? Nope, they don't.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: You would have no idea. Have you seen spies like us, dude?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: It's also, by the way, it's a safety net, by
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: the way. If something went really bad, you could just
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: go live in your other country. I think you should
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: be all in. For this country.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I agree. This ain't the fucking hokey pokey, dude. I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: think you got to have both feet in or both
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: feet out. You know what I'm saying, dude? I just–
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: but any country this could happen. It could be– that's
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: not just Israel. Correct. It could be any country. It
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: could be. But Israel is the only one that has
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: a big lobby. So for– Is there the Russian, like
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Russia PAC or whatever?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: No, there is not. Like I say, there's not even
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Australia PAC. Or Great Britain PAC. I mean, because they're
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: natural allies. Why would they have to lobby Congress? They're
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: also not on our teat like asking for money. But
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's also– there's this– it's a weird amalgamation
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: of combined interests. There's a military-industrial complex that– is all
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: in for everything AIPAC is for. And before I banned
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: AIPAC from my office, we used to have conversations that
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: would go something like this. Oh, you should be for
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: the foreign aid that goes to Israel because it all
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: comes back to the United States in the form of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: military spending. We're buying it all from American contractors. And
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, no, that's not a convincing argument to me. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what it's about, but
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: it seems like bullshit to me. How does America make
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: money off of war?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Like I get that, you know, we sell things, this
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: and that. But how is that such a business?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, how do we let this happen?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Well, the answer is America doesn't make money off of war.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: A few people in America do make money off of war,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: and they make a lot of money off of war.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: So they want the music to keep going. They don't
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: want the music to stop. Right.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: And as soon as.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Biden was serious about getting out of Afghanistan and did
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: get us out of Afghanistan– And we were spending, by
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: the way, we were still spending $ 50 billion a year
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan after 20 years. As soon as he got
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: us out of there, guess what? We start spending an
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: average of $ 50 billion a year in Ukraine. And now
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: that that's winding down, guess what? This thing in Iran
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: is heating up. And regardless of whether our troops engage directly,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: those are all American munitions. And those stocks are, you know,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: the people who run those companies are excited that now,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: you know, as soon as we deplete our stockpiles, we're
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: going to have to fill them back up. Like, it's
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: not like they're holding a bunch of inventory, but the U.S.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: government does. Ostensibly, those are weapons that are supposed to
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: defend us that are now being used. And so they
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: know we'll buy them back. And I have this theory
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: that there's about $ 50 billion a year of things that
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: need to get blown up and replaced and in order
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: for that segment of the economy to stay healthy.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: And then there was.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: A real push to get out of Ukraine, to quit
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: spending money there. And we almost succeeded. Like I said before,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: the tie-breaking vote was Mike Johnson. The bill passed by
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: just one vote. And a lot of times the speaker
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't even vote, but he voted in that case to
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: make sure that Ukraine got that money.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: But isn't it, I mean, It's also– I think it's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: admirable that a guy is willing to go against their
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: own party's interests, right? Like that part to me seems
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: like a part of– like, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Like not just to be in line all the time
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: with everything. Well, that could be me sometimes, right?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Oh, totally. Yeah, so that's what
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: I– I think that's a little bit of the thing
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I don't get about some of this stuff whenever we
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: talk about Mike Johnson is like if he– like there's
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: admiration in going against like just what your party is
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: going to do, right?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Right. If you're staying true to your party's principles, I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: think it's admirable. But when you're betraying your party's principles,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is because you've campaigned on one
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: thing and now you're doing something different.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: And the reality is the speaker has so much power
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: up there. He's entraining dozens of more people who rely
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: on him to get reelected. And by the way, the lobbyists,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: in addition to focusing on the executive branch, they spend
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of their effort on the– on just the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: speaker and the speaker's office.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: What do you, what do you think has kept us
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine so long? I mean, obviously, you know, we
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: want to be supportive of people that are struggling, right?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: We want to help out people. You know, it feels
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: like as an American, especially that's part of like our
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: creed and what you feel in your heart is like,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: if you can be helpful to another group, right? So
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I certainly see that as something that we want to
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: keep involved in foreign conflicts, even though a lot of
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: times I'm like, why are we involved in these conflicts
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: over there? What is it I think that I don't
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: understand maybe about Russia and Ukraine? Or do you think
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: that that's part of just the military-industrial tab that we
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: have to fill?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: I think we have agitated Russia to the point by
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: expanding NATO. We just keep adding countries closer and closer
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: to their backyard that are in a military alliance with us.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: And the situation in Ukraine– We also toppled their government
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: in 2014.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: The United States did. We did?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Bring that up. Yeah, bring that up.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: You can see that the government changed there, and we
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: had our hands all over that.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Let me see. In 2014, Ukraine experienced a period of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: intense political upheaval culminating in the removal of President Viktor Yanukovych.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: The event, often referred to as the Revolution of Dignity
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: or Euromaidan, involved widespread protests against Yanukovych's policies, particularly his
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: decision to reject a trade agreement with the European Union
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: in favor of closer ties with Russia. So we didn't
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: want him to have closer ties with Russia, so we
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: overthrew them?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we went in and fomented those protests.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Our CIA did. Our State Department– Victoria Nuland was part
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: So this was just another thing you think we started
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: laying the seeds in advance to get to get to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: this point?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it would have ever happened if
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: if we weren't involved in fomenting this and then talking
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: about bringing them into NATO after we poked Putin in
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: the eye here.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: And the whole point was just to get to a
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: war to help fill out the tab, you're saying?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's and that's a part of it. Like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: that's that's sort of Massey's law. There has to be
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: another there has to be 50 billion dollars of stuff
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: that gets blown up that is made by American military
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: industrial complex in order to keep them going. And if
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: it's not, they'll just spend more effort in making that happen.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Got it. Rather than go out of business.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think once you get used to something, you
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: get used to it.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, here's the thing I was going to say before.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: When we got close to not funding Ukraine under Mike
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Johnson– The Biden administration sent a letter to Congress, to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: each of us, everybody in Congress got one of these letters,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: listing all the states who had, they call it the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: defense industrial base now because military industrial complex has a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: bad connotation.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: You need a rebranding.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: So it's DIB, D-I-B.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: The defense industrial base, they showed how almost every state
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: in the union benefits from military spending and why you
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: should– that was their argument, not that there was some
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: noble cause or to help out a struggling group of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: people like you said. The argument that the Biden administration
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: was making was it was in congressman's financial– the financial
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: best interests of their districts in order to vote for
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: this bill.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: So now they're just saying it's a business.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Give them an A for honesty. Yeah.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: They're at least saying, yeah. Feed the machine. Yeah, feed
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: the machine. But doesn't that also cost human lives, like
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: if our military has to get involved? It does.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: That's the– now there's supposedly sanitary wars where our kids
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: don't have to die. But I think it's disgusting when
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: we've had members of the Senate at least say that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: this is great. We're grinding down Russia's military capability. And
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: we don't have to spill any of our blood. But
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, how perverted is that? That you're grinding up
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Ukrainians' bodies in order to grind up Russian bodies. And
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: that somehow that's in the best interest of the United States.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I'll give, I don't want to say his name, but
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: I'll give that senator credit for being honest, at least.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: But I think it's disgusting.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's, we just have so much
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: capability to manipulate so many situations, you know? And I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: don't understand, like, actually, it's silly to say I don't
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: understand anymore if I believe that part of the military
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: industrial complex or the defense.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Industrial base.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Industrial base needs to keep collecting, you know? It makes sense.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: It's a business. Everything kind of, I mean, that's one
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: of the downsides of capitalism, I guess, you know, in
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: a weird way is that everything kind of can become
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: a business, you know? Even like the beauties of trying
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: to be supportive of other countries or trying to help
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: out people, you know?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: And that's in addition to the trillion dollars a year
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: we're now spending on the military in the United States.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: That's about what Congress allocates. And this is all catching
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: up to us because now the interest that we're paying
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: is about a trillion dollars a year. So because we've
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: engaged for two or three decades in all of these
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: overseas wars, we've racked up such a tab that we're
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: paying more in interest than, there you go, than we
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: are in the military industrial complex. And on the screen there,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: it says $ 849 billion. Don't forget, there's another $ 100 billion
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: in the big, beautiful bill that they snuck in there,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: and they sneak in another $ 50 billion somewhere else. So
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: it's about a trillion, but look up the interest on
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: the debt now, too.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, the interest on the debt, it matches our GDP
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: right now. I think it's about $ 35 trillion a year.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: That's the debt, but the interest on the debt matches
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: how much we spend on all of our defense. It's
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: a trillion dollars if you look up interest. What's the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: interest on the debt last year?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: That's insane. Okay. Do you think that we should have
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: a war with Iran? I know you got you and
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Ro Khanna, which is so crazy that he was here
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: the other day. And then here you are, because it
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: was just like, what are the odds, you know?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Right. And we didn't plan that because we didn't know
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: Israel was going to bomb Iran.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: And oh, no, a month ago, I knew that you
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: were probably going to come. We've been talking about it.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: But then Ro, he and I just decided like five
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: days ago. So it was just crazy before I even
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: knew that the bill that you guys had put that together.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: He said that that made it so that There had
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: to be a 15-day moratorium before you went to war.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Can you explain it to me?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: No, we can get a vote within 15 days of
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: this bill being introduced unless Speaker Johnson does something sneaky.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: So there's a law that says if Ro Khanna and I,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: which we did, introduce this War Powers Resolution, the law
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: says that Speaker Johnson needs to bring this to the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: floor and for a vote if the committee doesn't act
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: on it. And the committee's not going to act on it.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: By the way, I introduced this on Tuesday, and it's
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: just been a few days. We have 37 co-sponsors already. Now,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: whether you think we should be engaged in a war
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: with Iran or not, I would hope that your listeners
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: understand that or agree that it's important that their members
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: of Congress vote on whether that happens or not. And
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: before– just to give you some historical perspective, before George
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Bush Sr. attacked Iraq, there was a vote of Congress
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: to do that. It wasn't a declaration of war. It
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: was to authorize use of military force. Before George Bush Jr.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: went into Afghanistan, there was a vote of Congress. And
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: before we went into Iraq again, there was a vote
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: of Congress. What's being discussed right now in the news
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: is this notion that the president could just join in
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: on the bombing of Iran without a vote of Congress.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: The Constitution requires Congress to vote. Like that's our authority
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: is to declare war. So why do you need this
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: bill then if it's already a law? Well, this is
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: prescribed by that law. Basically, somebody has to bring it
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: to a vote. And so I stepped up and I
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: asked Ro Khanna if he wanted to join me on this.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: And he did.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: And we've been collecting like a dozen co-sponsors a day
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: since then.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: So it's you guys just saying, hey, guys, we have
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: to vote on this. We have to vote. They can't
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: just say it and we have to do it. Correct.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: And what's funny is whenever it's the other guy in
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: the White House, like if a Democrat's in the White House,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: Republicans and the Democrat wants to wage war, the Republicans
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: agree with this principle that I'm saying. And if it's
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: a Republican in the white house, it's the other way.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: It's the other way. The Democrats agree with the principle that, uh,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Congress needs to vote on it, but we've got this
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: interesting situation where there's a Republican in the white house
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: and Republicans control Congress. And so it's, I don't have
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: a single Republican co-sponsor for my bill yet for, for
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: two reasons. Number one, they're afraid of APAC, the, you know,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: American Israel, uh, Because.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Israel wants it. Netanyahu's been wanting to fight over there forever. Yeah,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: for two decades.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: I know there's videos of him saying like how he's been, yeah,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: how he's been wanting to, yeah. I've seen it anyway.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: It could be AI. I have no idea. No, it's real.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: For two decades, he's been saying they're weeks away from
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. By the way, even if they are,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Pakistan's got a nuclear weapon. India's got a nuclear weapon.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Nobody's talking about bombing them. Yeah. And the other reality is, look,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: South Africa, people forget this, used to have nuclear weapons.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: A country of 30 million people developed nuclear capability on
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: their own in the 70s. Like we need to be
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: preparing to defend our own country.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I agree. I don't know what the fuck we're doing
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: over there. I don't understand it. And we've almost dug
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: so many holes over there. And it's like it just
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: feels so far away from people. Like why is it
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: over there starting all this shit? When we have problems
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: in our own country and they're basic problems and they
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: never get solved. It's the same thing. Instead, like Hollywood
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: creates like, what about the Diddy trial? That'll keep you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: entertained for fucking three months. Or like, here's some shit.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Here's a pedophile. It's always the same fucking thing.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: I call those weapons of mass distraction. Yeah. There's always
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: a weapon of mass distraction that comes up. Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump wants a war in Iran? No,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: I actually don't. And I've talked to him on the
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: phone about this. When you remember there was a general
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: from Iran called Soleimani who was basically taken out while
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: he was in Iraq. during the first Trump presidency.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Bring up Soleimani. Yeah, there you go. Interesting looking guy.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: He almost looks like two different people put into one head.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: So they took him out when Trump was president.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: Was he a good guy or a bad guy? Bad guy. Okay. Okay.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: And then, and I'm not here to litigate that, but
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Trump was talking about attacking Iran after that. I think
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: they shot down one of our drones. And so tensions
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: were escalating and the Democrats put a bill on the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: floor that to say that you can't go, basically like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: my bill this time, says you can't go to war
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: without a vote of Congress. And I was one of
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: three Republicans who voted for that resolution, but Trump found
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: out I was going to vote for it, and he
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: called me up and tried to talk me out of
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: voting for it. And in that conversation, we talked about
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: war with Iran, and he genuinely, I do believe he
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: genuinely didn't want war with Iran. His argument to me
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: was that if Congress gave him the authority to threaten them,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: that he could keep us out.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Of a war with the threat. Oh, I see. So
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: that's a strategy.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: It is a strategy. The problem with the strategy, I
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: told him, was, okay, if I vote to give you
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: that authority to declare war on your own, you know,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: preemptively Congress can- How do I know it will happen? Well,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: what if they call your bluff? And then now we're
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: in a war and I don't get a chance to
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: vote on it. Because I just said we don't need
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: to vote on it. And he was not happy with
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: that reasoning.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Well, because I guess his thought would be, well, if
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: I tell you I'm not going to do it no
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: matter what, then why wouldn't you support me probably? Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: But you can't know that he won't. And by the way,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: he told me, he said, I'm more libertarian than you are.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Donald Trump is an interesting guy, man. What
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: an anomaly of a human being, I think.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: There'll never be another person like him, particularly not one
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: that becomes president. And I've been on his good side
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: and I've been on his bad side. And it seems
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: like every couple of years it flips.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw, didn't you get uninvited to the picnic
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: or something? Was that a thing that, was that a
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: real thing that happened? That was a real thing that happened.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: A meme about it or something that you got uninvited
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: to the... At the last minute, I got re-invited. But
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: this goes back to 2020 during COVID. I was the
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: only one who said this CARES Act is going to
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: bankrupt the country. Basically, it's going to cause massive inflation
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: and shortages. So I opposed that. And the president called me.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: He was upset with me that I would force Congress
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: to return during COVID and vote. And basically, all I
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: said was, look, this was during COVID. they wanted to
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: spend $ 2 trillion by, by unanimous consent. I said, if
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: truckers have to work and farmers have to work and
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: nurses have to work, why, why doesn't Congress show up
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: and vote on this? So he, at the time he
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: called me a third rate grandstander and said, I should
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: be thrown out of Congress. The media immediately like descended
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: on me and said, what did I have to say
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: for myself? Cause he was tweeting all of this. And
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: they said, well, I'm at least second rate.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Come on. Yeah. Help me out here. Two years later,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: He endorsed me for a reelection.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: And then most recently, Bobby Kennedy, you know, joined a
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: coalition with the president for Maha, Make America Healthy Again. And,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you can do that through the National Institute
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: of Health and FDA and CDC and all that. But
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: also our food supply is a big, important part of that.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: So Bobby Kennedy was advocating for me to be the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: secretary of agriculture. And he and I have been talking
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: about it for weeks. This was before Trump won the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: election last fall.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of agriculture out of Kentucky. That
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: would have been great. It would have been great. Would
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: it have been something you were interested in? Yes, definitely.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Because I think there are a lot of things we
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: could do to basically reinvigorate and empower small farmers to
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: make healthy food and grow local economies, things like that.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: And so I was all in and Bobby Kennedy's team
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: spent a lot of time on it. And I told him,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: This was like in October before the election.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I said, I think there's one problem with your plan.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: And he said, what's that?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: And I said, I've not endorsed Trump. And he said, well,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: it sounds like you need to endorse Trump.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Do you think that was a strategy or do you
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: think that it was?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: No, he was genuine. And I agreed with him. So
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: I said, well, how do we announce it? And he said,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: we'll come out to Wisconsin Tuesday and Tulsi and I
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: are doing this rally and just come up on stage
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: and announce it there.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, man, I.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Don't want to go to Wisconsin in October to to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: do this because I had a lot of other things
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: on my plate at that time. And so, um, I
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: put it off for a day. I did look at
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: plane tickets to go to Wisconsin. I typed out an
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: endorsement of Trump on my iPhone, read it back to myself,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: and I woke up the next morning and I thought,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: this is the day I got to do this. So, uh, Trump,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: when my wife passed away last summer, he had left
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: a very nice message. I would have obviously taken his call,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: but I was inundated with calls, but he left a
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: really nice message of condolences.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: And that was thoughtful of him.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: And so it was, and that's a side people don't see, right?
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: I actually campaigned for Ron DeSantis and Trump felt compelled
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: to leave that message, even though I hadn't endorsed him.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: It was very thoughtful message.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: So I sit down, I'm in a hotel in Orlando
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: and I woke up and I went and I listened
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: to that message And I thought, all right, I'm going
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: to talk to his staff about going to Wisconsin and
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: doing this endorsement. So I dialed the number. And on
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: the second ring, I hear, hello, this is Donald. And
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, shit, that's his cell number. And
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: he's like two weeks from prison or president. Nobody knows.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: And he's taking my call.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: It's America.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: And I was taken off guard because I thought– I.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Was like– Now what do you do? What do you
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: freaking do, Thomas?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in my boxers in a Marriott.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. At least go outside and stand up. You
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: weren't sitting down, were you?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Because your audio, your volume is better if you walk
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: around where you're talking to somebody.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: So the first thing I did was to thank him
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: for leaving the message.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's good. About my wife. A lot of time.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Because I hadn't done that yet. And he said, that's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: a hard one. That's a very hard one. You know,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: Arnold Palmer, he played around a lot. But he did
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: love his wife. And when she passed away, it almost
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: killed Arnie. I mean, it was tough on Arnie. But
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: he's a tough cookie. You're a tough cookie, too. And,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: you know, you're like Arnie. You'll get through this. And
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: he goes, I take it back. You're much tougher than
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Arnie ever was.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: So there he goes.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: You're a sharp cookie, too. You know, you went to MIT.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: My uncle, Professor John G. Trump, taught at MIT for
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: 41 years.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: It's a record.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: He said, I've got the best genetics. I'm thinking, wait,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: this guy is two weeks away and he's got to
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: be busy, right? This is the election of his life.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: And so I thought, you know, at some point they're
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: going to grab him and say, look, who are you
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: talking to?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: You got to get back to work.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: So I said, well, the reason I'm calling you is
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: I want to, I've seen it's close in these purple
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: states and a lot of independents and libertarians who could
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: be influenced perhaps.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: And I'd like to endorse you. Oh, this is wonderful.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: This is great.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: This is tremendous. And I said, well, how do I,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: how do we get it out there? And he goes, oh,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: just tweet it. I'll retweet you.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: So I saved myself. A trip to Wisconsin. Oh, that's nice, dude.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: I love going to Wisconsin. Was it in La Crosse?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know where it was. You missed out, I think.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: So he goes, you know, I spoke at the Libertarian
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: National Convention.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is. Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: There's a sentence in here I got to explain.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: So he goes, I spoke at the Libertarian Convention and
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: they loved me. He said, when I mentioned I was
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: going to free that kid that's been locked up 100 years,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: they all applauded.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Who was that? Not Travis Scott or someone? Ross Ulbrich.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: So I said, oh, yeah, he's in for two life
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: sentences plus 40 years for running a website. And he said, yeah,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: put that in your endorsement. The libertarians will love it. Really?
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: So he really thought of that? I'm like, he will
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: make America healthy. He'll save America, secure our liberties. I said,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: and he'll free Ross Ulrich.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Wow. So a lot of people were like, we'll take it. Yeah.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Ross's mom called me and thanked me for that. And
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: then- Is he out?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I took him to the State of the Union. Is
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: he a cool guy? He's a super cool guy.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: And he never should have been in prison for as
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: long as he was.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what did he get locked up for?
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Running a dark web website called Silk Road that allowed
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: people to buy and sell things on the internet.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, and they started selling dope and shit on
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: there and people were dying.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: He's holding for a year. But, I mean, that's the thing.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: But it's like you can't lock him up and not
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: lock up... All the perpetrators on the website are free, right? No,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about you can't lock... him up and not
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: lock up the Sackler family, though. You keep going back
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: to that. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: they're the family that did the opioid epidemic or whatever. Oh, okay.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: They're the Purdue Pharma family. Oh, okay, okay.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, I'm sorry. They're just like mass murderers
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, they're allegedly mass murderers that are
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: still wandering around.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: So anyways, the thing is, so I said, all right,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I'll put that sentence in. I want to run this
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: by you. And he said, here, I give you to
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Dan Scavino. He's on the plane with me. And I'm like,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, he's on a plane.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: He's talking to me.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: We're going to go tape the Joe Rogan show. Then
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: he like, I can hear him hand the phone.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was right before the election, dude. Yeah.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: He hands the phone to Scavino and he's like, I
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: don't think he knew I could hear him, but he goes, Dan,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: this is a tough cookie. It's Thomas Massey. Don't screw
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: this up. Then we worked out the endorsement.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, huh? It was cool.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Cause then instead of like a bunch of staff trying
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: to figure out what to do, I just called him.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: And we got it done in like five minutes. Right.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: But and I did endorse him. And then I'm obviously
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not the ag secretary, but that's OK. I'm happy
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: where I'm at. I would have done it if he
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: needed somebody to do it.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: But are you guys at odds? Do you feel like
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: or do you feel like there's so much going on
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: in his world?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: Well, he came over to Congress a few weeks ago.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: OK. To whip us on the big, beautiful bill. And
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: so when that happens, you guys all get together in
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: a room and he gets to speak.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 200 people in the room. Okay, and so he's
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: petitioning for the Big Beautiful Bill. Yeah, he's telling us
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: how great it is. And then he says something about me.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: And then he realizes I might be in the room.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: He said, is Tom Massey in the room? And I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: raised my hand. And he said, you know, the thing
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: about Tom Massey is he's very much like Rand Paul.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: They're both from Kentucky. You can never get him to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: vote for anything. And they got the same hair.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's pretty true.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Then he goes, actually, I like Massey's hair better. So
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: all my colleagues, they were approving of me that day.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Some people hate Donald Trump. Some people love
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I just think you cannot deny that there
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: is nobody like him.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: There's two forms of Trump derangement syndrome, though. There's the
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: kind where You hate him so much.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: It's irrational.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: And even if he's for something you support, you still
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: be against him. And a lot of liberals have Trump
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: derangement syndrome and some Republicans.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a general thing. I think that's just a
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: political derangement syndrome, too. I mean, I have friends. It's
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: like you could show them the same exact thing. But
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: if it's a Republican saying it or a Democrat and
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: they'll choose the other side, you know.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why there's the other version of Trump derangement syndrome,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: which is.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: You love him so much.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: That when he goes against something he said he would do,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: or he does something that's against your principles, you change
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: your own principles to support him. And I think that's
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: just as dangerous. And I try not to have either
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: of the Trump derangement syndrome. Just be for the people
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: of Kentucky. Yeah, look, Kentucky derangement alone is, that's a
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: pretty good, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: That's not a bad, you know, that's a, I mean,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: that's its own special, 150-proof derangement right there, you know?
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: It's one of a kind. I'm a man of my people.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: It's one of a kind. You know what's one of
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: the most beautiful places I've ever done a show was Pike? Pikeville? Pikeville, Kentucky. Yeah,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: eastern Kentucky. It was a tough show. It was just,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the acoustics place we played,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: but it was a beautiful little city, great crowd. I mean,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: beautiful big town. I mean, one of the most beautiful
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: places I think I've ever been. It just blew my
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: mind of what it even was.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: See if you can find a picture of Lewis County, Kentucky.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm from. That's the town I grew up
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: in right there.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: What is that? I believe that's Vanceburg. That's Vanceburg?
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Yep. And the courthouse with the red roof on the
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: left with the columns.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: There's two courthouses, but one on the left, my grandfather
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: hauled the stones for that courthouse that were quarried locally.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Dude, that is cool. How big is that place?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: It's about 2,000 people.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: And it's the county seat. It's the biggest town in
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: the county. So you go there to buy beer and
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: to go to church and put your money in the
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: bank or get a loan.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Lewis County. Yeah. So that's the town is called Lewis
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: County or the whole county is 12,000.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: The whole county is about 13 or 14,000 people. And
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Vanceburg used to be 2000. It's probably 1500 people now,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: but that's where I grew up. And I, This is
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: a true story. When I went to MIT, which is
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: in Cambridge, Massachusetts, across the river from Boston, you can
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: see in Vanceburg, there's no crosswalks.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: We had one stoplight.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: And I lived there until I was 18. Then I
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: would go to Massachusetts, never visited in my life. And
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: I landed on a plane. I'm going through a crosswalk
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: with the signs that say walk and don't walk. And
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: a car honked at me. And I thought, oh, my gosh,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: I'd been here six hours and already run into somebody
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: from Kentucky. And I waved at them because I thought
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: the car honking knew me.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: No, they were pissed.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: They were waving back with one finger because I was
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: walking against a don't walk or something.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Get out the street, honking. That's hilarious, dude. Yeah, man,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: going from a small town to a big place is
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: definitely fascinating, man. It's definitely.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: That was and it was intimidating, like to go from
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: that little town. Where everybody says, oh, you're uneducated, you're backwards,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: you don't know anything.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: I went to public school, K through 12 there.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: And then to go to MIT with all these kids
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: from private school and Bronx science.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: Were you just like a, were you just, I mean,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: people must have think you was a real nerd or whatever. Oh,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I was a nerd.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I built little science projects in my room and,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: you know, that was basically my ticket out of Appalachia. Yeah.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: And went to MIT and started a company there. It
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: was actually a virtual reality interface that I invented that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: lets you touch three-dimensional objects and raised $ 32 million of
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: venture capital.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. From people like J.D. Vance.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Have you seen– well, and some of your story is
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: similar to Mr. Vance's I think in some ways. It's
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: like– and you don't hear a lot of stories about–
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that they happen, but you don't
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: hear that many of them. And maybe it's just because
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: we don't talk to as many politicians or like usually
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: politicians were always like on C-SPAN or somewhere where you
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: didn't really get to envelop much of their story. I
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: think by J.D. having that movie that came out about
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: him probably helped.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: Well, the book– I mean he wrote the book. And
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: it rings true for me. Like he went to New
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: England to school. I went to New England from school.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with the place setting
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: of silverware. I was waving at cars that honked. But
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: I tell J.D. when he was a senator, we met
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: a few times to talk about the Ukraine issue and
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: things like that. Uh, but I told him, I said, JD,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: you've appropriated my culture. Like I'm from Vanceburg, Kentucky, literally Vanceburg.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: And you're from Ohio and you're saying you're a hillbilly.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Like he's part of the, the hillbilly people that like
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: my people that left and went to Ohio. So I,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: I have a brother and a sister. They both went
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: to Ohio.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: We, and it was a big migration. Why was it?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Was it to work in the mills?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: There were shoe factories. Some of them went to Detroit
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: to work at car factories.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: But it was for employment. Employment.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: And this continued for generations as coal went down. But
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: we said they teach you three R's in eastern Kentucky, reading, writing,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: and Route 23.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Route 23 runs north, crosses the river, and goes up
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: from Portsmouth to Columbus and on up that way. So
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: the difference between JD & I is– My mamaw didn't
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: drop F-bombs. Like he had– I will say he probably
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: had a rougher upbringing with his single mom and whatnot.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: So he had to overcome a lot. Yeah.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: I mean he's– I mean I think JD is a
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: great speaker. He's an interesting guy. I've enjoyed the opportunity
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: to even get to talk to him. The simple fact
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: that even somebody like me is even going to talk
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: to him, I think it's all kind of fascinating. I
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: think it's great.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: I think he's over there biting his tongue so much though. Like,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: cause when you're the vice president.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, it did feel different when I spoke with him
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: the first time than the second time.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: You, you, and he's a good guy. Like he's texted me.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I agree.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: Since he's been vice president and, um, he's a good guy,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: but I'm sure he's biting his tongue on some of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: this stuff. Yeah.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I bet it's interesting. You know, I bet the plot thickens,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I bet the plot really, really thickens. Um,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: you talked about working in virtual reality. How crazy, I
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: feel like now, did you see Iran did that, uh,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: There was a military video that they had pushing their military.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: It was like, and we'll be done in a few minutes.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: See if you can bring that up. It was, yeah,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: did you see now? It's like, there's like PR videos
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: for war and shit now. Like, what is even, look
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: at this shit. Zoom in. I mean, this is why
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: they ran. This looks like a video game. I mean,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: look at this.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: I feel.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Like it's just getting really bizarre. Look at that. I mean,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: that's good. But I think it's like, it's like now,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're getting so close to You're going
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: to be able to subscribe online and watch a stream
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: of a war. Like you're going to be able to
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: have drones that are in the air watching war, right?
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: Like probably Palantir drones or some company in the air.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: And you can stream it from home, you know?
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: But wouldn't it be better if just like the drones
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: killed the other drones and people didn't get killed? And
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: maybe that's– it's virtual reality and who can build the
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: best army in VR? That would be a lot better
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: way than killing drones.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: People. I agree. I think it's gotten, I mean, it's like,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: you're going to be able to, you know, it's going
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, shit is just like you said earlier,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: everything is feels merging. It doesn't even feel real anymore.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: That's how unreal shit is. It doesn't even, you can
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: barely tell as a regular semi ignorant person, the difference
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: between what's real and what's not anymore. And that's when
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: things get bizarre. It's like, I feel like next week, like,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: I Show Speed is going to, like, compete against Netanyahu's
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: son or whatever that lives, I think, in L.A. or somewhere.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: And they're going to compete, and, like, the winner gets
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: to live in, like, one of those, like, Congo cobalt
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: mines where they're making iPhone, like, parts. You're just like,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening anymore?
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: It happens on both sides, though. And truth is the
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: first casualty of war. And, like, there was the ghost
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: of Kiev. Remember when that came out? And there was
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: supposedly this aviator in Ukraine that was shooting down all
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: these Russian jets.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, it was a, it was lore. Yeah. It was,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: it was all, yeah, it was all made up. Popular,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: but ultimately mythical Ukrainian fighter pilot, an urban legend that
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: emerged during the early days of the Russian invasion of
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Ukraine in 2022. He said that a single MiG-29 pilot
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: was shooting down multiple Russian aircraft becoming a similar resistance. Yes.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: And that was being reported as a real thing, and
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: congressmen were falling for that. And so I have tried
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: to be very judicious in all the videos I watch
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: of everything that's coming from all the countries, whether it's
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Iran or Israel or our own. And I actually caught
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces, using a clip that
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: was from last year trying to make it look like
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: that was Israel being bombed this week. And this is
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: one of the fun things about being a congressman with 1.3
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: million followers. Like I pointed it out and people started
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: looking at it and comparing it to the video from
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: nine months ago. And they got community noted, the IDF,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: for putting out a fake video. They didn't have to.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of live footage. but they fell
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: for it. Like we're just, we're in a loop. We're
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: consuming stuff on the internet. And you know, the loop
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: has been completed when the Israeli government consumes YouTubes that
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: aren't real and then puts them in their videos.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could see them doing it
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: just because, but Yeah, I think it's definitely the loop
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: is like we're spinning the loop so long we're dizzy.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: That's where it feels like we are.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: If you can step out of it, like I haven't
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: had a TV in 20 years because.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: You're not missing anything.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: It just reinforces the false– there we go.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: Breaking Bad was good. Did they? And– Oh, yeah. Who knows?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: See? See?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't tell what's real anymore. Raw footage, Iran. Yeah,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: there's the two videos.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: Look, that's the one they put out that said was
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: happening in the past hours, right? Now look at the
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: other one. The clouds are the same shape. The missiles
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: are in the same formation. And that was a YouTube
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: from eight months ago. Wow. But the reason I caught
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: it and nobody else did was I was trying to
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: verify everything before I took it as real. Yeah. And
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: I saw that video from eight months ago. And figured
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: out it was fake, but the IDF didn't.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: Or maybe they did.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: And it just was more dramatic than the footage they had.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: That could be more, but that sounds slightly more possible.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: But what do I know? I don't know anything. I
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: know this, dude. What can we do? Like, what can
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: voters do anymore? Does it matter anymore what we do,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: or are we done? It does matter. You're going to...
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: Does local level matter more than ever? Local level voting?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Or what matters? Like, what do we.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: What can we do?
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: So the congressman before me in my district got a
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: call at home one night, and this older lady was
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: upset that her trash hadn't been picked up.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: And he's a U.S. congressman. He said, ma'am. He picked
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: it up?
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: He said, I'm your U.S. congressman.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not involved with the trash pickup. Did you think
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: about calling your county commissioner? And she said, I was
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: going to do that, but I didn't want to start
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: that high up. So– I think local is– I started
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: out in local politics and the local officials have way
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: more impact.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: On your life than the federal government does.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: And so I would take time and pay attention and
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: vote locally and those are also people you can go find.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: When I was a local government official and we would
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: stop at the grocery store to buy milk– My kids
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: would beg my wife to go in to pick up
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: the milk because I'd be in there two hours and
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: somebody talked to me about a pothole and somebody talked
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: to me about some weeds that need mowed at the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: intersection and I wouldn't get out of there. Now that
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: I'm a congressman, I can buy milk anywhere. Nobody cares.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: They know Congress can't get anything done.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: And so I think that people have figured it out.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Definitely pay attention local. When you do pay attention federal,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: don't get distracted by the weapons of mass distraction. don't
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: call Nancy Pelosi. She's not, you're not going to change
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: her mind. Only call people you can vote for because
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: the people taking those calls know that and they'll discount
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: everything you say unless you're a constituent. So everybody has
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: two state senators and one U.S.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: Representative.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: So you only need to make three phone calls. I
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: wouldn't write them a letter. I wouldn't waste time on email.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: I would make a phone call and a real, more
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: likely than not, a real person in that office will
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: pick up the phone and talk to you And it'll
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: be somebody who does talk to the congressman. Like we
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: have a staff of about 12 to 24 people. And
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: I say hi to those people that you are talking
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: to every day. Now, I don't know that all congressmen
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: are this diligent, but I have them write down who
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: called about what and how many calls we got. Some
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: days I get one phone call and it's from the
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: same guy that calls every day, right?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: Michael.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: If Michael doesn't call, we ask the local sheriff to
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: go do a wellness check. Oh, yeah.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: Don't be a frequent flyer.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: Don't call up your congressman and say, I'll never vote
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: for him again if he votes this way, because then
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: they never have to take you seriously. But I would
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: call up. I would only call people.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: You can vote for. And be polite. Be quick. Get
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: off the phone.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: The next one, I see people come up to lobby,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: let's say, for their grandma who has Alzheimer's. And they
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: spend $ 300 on a plane ticket. a couple hundred dollars
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: on a hotel room. They, you know, the food is
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: expensive in D.C. and they finally get to their congressman's
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: office and they talk to a staffer. Yeah.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: That, to me, is a waste of money.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: I would find that congressman locally and take half of
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: what you would have spent on the trip to D.C.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: and if you could stomach that person's politics, make a donation.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: That's why the lobbyist has the ear I'm not saying
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: America has to compete with lobbyists for giving money, but
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: I will tell you this. If you give a politician $ 500,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: you won't have to ask for his phone number. He'll
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: be calling you every week asking for more of it.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: But that's where we're at. That's where we're at. Money
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: has to compete with money, you think? Dark money? It
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to compete, but you've got to figure out
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: a way to get their attention. whatever the minimum is
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: to get in the door of that fund. If it's $ 50,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: don't give them $ 500. Give them $ 50 and go in
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: and just talk to them like a human being if
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: you can.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: But at a bigger level, will we ever get these
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: lobbyists out? Is it just a wrap? Tell us if
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: we all just.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: Should quit and go to the beach.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: Here's the way you break free. No.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Well, you should definitely go to the beach and only
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: spend about no more than 10% of your life thinking
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: about politics because it ain't healthy. But the 10% that
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: you do, you should ask your congressman to advocate for
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: separate bills on separate topics.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: That seems way more pertinent because then there's a level
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: of accountability.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they can't hide behind, well, it had a
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: pay raise for soldiers. Right. So advocate for that. Make
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: phone calls. if you can be friendly and connect with them,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: maybe you don't agree with them on everything, but a
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: broken clock is right twice a day. Yeah.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: Some diplomacy.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a big thing I've been learning
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: recently is that there's a give and take to everything,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: every single, everything that, you know, and that's the way
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: that the world's built. There's like, you know, there's forces,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: there's a give and take, there's a yin and yang.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: And even when you have, you want this party or
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: this thing, it's like, there has to be like, you
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: really need both for a lot of times to get
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: things done I think that's about it man I'm trying
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: to think of anything else oh I did want to
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: we were supposed to talk to Mr. Walls this week
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: Tim Walls on Thursday because I have a show up
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: there but he can't he is unable to go because
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: they're doing services and stuff for that his constituents or
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: his colleagues, maybe that were murdered up there. I, you know,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: it's pretty heartbreaking. It is heartbreaking. And he seems like
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: a guy with a big heart too. I get death threats.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, and the hard part is knowing which
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: ones to take seriously and which one's not. I mean,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: it's definitely not the right way to do politics. It's just,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: there's no, there's no level of frustration that justifies violence.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that just seems really bizarre. I remember there
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: was rumors that whenever your wife passed away that there
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: was like something bad had happened, like from not a
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: deranged person or something like that.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: Was that real? She died unexpectedly, but of natural causes.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't home. I was in D.C., which kills
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: me to this day. But my son was home visiting.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: So we know exactly what happened. There's no conspiracy there. Although, uh,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: sorry to even ask you about it. Well, no, I
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: think it's good. Cause people ask that people want to
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: know that I tell people she would, uh, get a
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: kick out of it.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: She would, everybody wants to be a part of, yeah.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: Like there was a conspiracy, but, um, I'm sure she's,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: she's up there laughing at that one.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I know it's coming up on a year since
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: she's been gone and, uh, yeah, just started kind of,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: maybe that was a little out of the box to
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: say that, but, um, Yeah, I'm sorry you and your
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: family had to go through that. So I appreciate you
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: being brave and still being able to honor your constituents
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: and your group even in the face of those types
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: of things and still be able to show up and
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: do your best and be a maverick, I think, probably
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: for her spirit and for the people of our country.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's one thing that's inspiring. Some people were like, well,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: this guy's nuts or this guy's great. But I'm like,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: at least this guy's his own fucking guy. You know
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I'd rather talk to that guy any
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: day of the week.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the other conspiracy that's interesting to me is people say, oh,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: he snapped. Like he's lost his marbles since he lost
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: his wife. And he's off the chain, et cetera, et cetera. No,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: I'm actually honoring what she wanted. Like she worked at
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: home on our farm and raised four kids. She also
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: had an MIT degree. Wow. And she was watching me
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: from afar every day. She would watch hearings and give
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: me advice for questions to ask.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's sweet, huh?
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: She wanted me to go up there and kick ass
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: every week. And that's what I do. And I'm still
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: going to do it. I remember one time I introduced
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: a bill to legalize raw milk, like the kind I
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: got out there in my.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: I'll take another swig off that thing as long as
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: you leave the door open while we do it.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: We had alarms going off in there. The gaydar in
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: my camper was going off when you went in there.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: Two men got in that thing and suddenly an alarm
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: went off. I was like, this is a little too
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: Republican for me. This is a little too old school
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: Republican for me. If two men can't even casually drink
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: raw milk together in the back of a truck camper.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: So I introduced a raw milk bill to legalize raw milk. And, oh, yeah,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: there we go. Oh, this is in honor of her
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: kind of? Well, this was– she was still alive. And
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: I introduced this bill. And guess who came after me?
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: The milk lobbyists came after me. They said there wouldn't
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: be enough hospitals to take care of.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: All the people. Who got sick from raw milk. Who
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: were going to get sick from raw milk. Is that true,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: do you think? Oh, hell no. I drink it every day.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: I know– Thousands of people that drink.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: It every day. I'm going to catch a fucking batch
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: of it. It always looks like it's a little warm.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: No, I pour mine in an ice cold glass. But anyways,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: and it tastes like just liquid ice cream.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: It's so good. I'll come have a little bit more.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: Well, so I did this bill and the milk lobby
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: comes after me and my wife had Google alerts on
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: or whatever alerts there were.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: And it's like all this negative press over milk.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: And she texted me, OMG, I didn't realize the lactose
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: lobby was this intolerant.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I think even just the name of the lactose
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: lobby was this intolerant. That's cute. What was her name,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: your wife? Rhonda. Rhonda. Yeah. Well, we miss you, Rhonda.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: Just a nice thought of you there and a nice story.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that that's called the interstate milk
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: Freedom Act, which sounds insane, dude.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: It sounds like something that happens at a rest area,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: you know? That's the problem with it, I think. It's
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: easier to get meth than it is to get raw milk.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not lying. And at least put birth control in
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: the meth. When do we make that law? Like, is
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: that too much to ask? Like, give us something! That's
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: my motto these days. Thomas Massey, I just admire. I
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: appreciate your time. That's what I really appreciate. And get
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: out there and give them hell, man. Keep serving to
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: the best of your ability. And just thank you for
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: your service. And I really just appreciate it. Thanks, Theo.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: You bet, man. Best of luck, dude. God.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: Keep an eye on the debt. Yeah, I will. It's
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: about to go up. She'll call me every hour and
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: she'll be like, oh, my God. It's about to go up.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: It is? Yeah. I'm looking for the jump. I'll be there.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: of mind I found I can feel it in my
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: bones