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Why do we hate men who can't get laid? | Maintaining Frame 103 · Honey Badger Radio

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One. Hello, and welcome to honey Badger Radio. My name is Alison
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and I will be your host, and with me is Brian and we are
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doing maintaining frame number one three. Why do we hate men who can't get
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laid? I probably should have led with that, because that's like the that's
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the hook, right, you know? Why do we hate men who can't
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get laid? Like, I mean, they already can't get laid. Why
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do we add a proporum on top of that, like shaming and stigma?
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I mean, why don't we just chill with that and do what we did
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in the Middle Ages, which is sort of give the guys who maybe didn't
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want to be totally beholden to what you know, women's mate selection, give
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them a place in the monastery, and just let them hang out with other
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dudes, brewing beer and thinking thoughts. You know, I think that I
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think that worked. That worked for a while, but then we stopped doing
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it all right, So before we begin, I shall do the things.
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find out. Oh and I just dropped my glass of water all over everything.
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Oh boy, we're off to a good start already. We're up to
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a great start. We had to have a technical difficulty. This was more
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like a liquid difficulty. But yeah, so why don't we take a look
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at them, going to do the survey study or do you want me to
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pull up the BBC thing? Okay, this is looking at that essentially a
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survey of in cells. If you don't know what in cells are, those
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are involuntarily celibate mostly men now that they apply to I think it's almost exclusively
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men when they refer to it. So essentially it's men who are not attractive
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to women, let's just put it that way, and have not managed to
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develop a relationship with women, and we have as a society chosen to sort
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of vilify them, and we have lots of studies into why that we have
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are justified in doing so. When this one actually looked at that, and
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it also looked at whether or not it is justified and what is actually happening
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with in cells in order to get a better picture to maybe help them with
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their situation and so forth. So yeah, let's just bring up the tab
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and we'll take a look at that. Yeah, that's the I have it
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up or do you want to the BBC thing? I'm sharing it now.
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You should be able to see it, right, the BBC thing? Let
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me see Okay, no, no, no, this is the in cell
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ideology study. No, I see it and there's a Okay, you see
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it, I am sharing it. Okay, all right? So in cell
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Ideology, Radicalization and mental health a survey study, and uh, yeah,
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why don't you start start reading that to help read the abstract and I will
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go, yeah, go deal with liquid issues. I did kind of like
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peruse this paper. It's you know, it's not a difficult read. And
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so I do have an idea of where they're coming from. But I'll read
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the abstract, okay. In cells, involuntarily celibates are an online community of
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men who feel disenfranchised because they are unable to find a romantic and sexual partner.
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In cells tend to blame society for placing too much value in physical appearance
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and for endowing women with too much power inmate selection, a grievance that sometimes
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translates into violent misogyny. Mass casualty level mass casualty in cell attacks have led
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the security services in the US, Canada, and the UK to classify in
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cells as a violent extremist threat. However, little empirical research is available to
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inform the understanding of in cells or to qualify their potential danger to the public,
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so ultimately they're saying, this is the narrative around them. They are
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considered by the security services in the US, Canada, in the UK to
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be dangerous and extremists. But they also acknowledge that there isn't a lot of
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research that is empirical that will actually, you know, demonstrate this in a
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way that people can see like that doesn't qualify a claim which is honestly really
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charitable to start off filling this gap. This study presents an important empirical datum
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by reaching beyond media headlines and online activity to assess in cell ideology, mental
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health, and radical intentions through in depth surveys of two hundred and seventy four
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active in cells. Two hundred and seventy four not a large number, but
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probably all they could get because in cells probably don't trust the media, and
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they don't trust academics, and they don't trust people conducting social science studies,
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and why would they. Most in cells in our study reported mental health problems
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and psychological trauma of bullying or persecution. In cell ideology was only weakly correlated
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with radicalization, and ideology and radicalization were differentially correlated with mental health measures.
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Most in cells in the study rejected violence. The discussion considers implications of these
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findings for detection, policing, and non criminal interventions focused on the in cell
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community. So is that the whole abstract? That is a little bit more.
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I'll read the rest, But do you did you hear what I said?
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Alison? Okay? Over recent years, a concern has increased for violence
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perpetuated No, let me start over. Over recent concern has increased for violence
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perpetrated traded Yeah, by involuntary celibates or in cells, a misogynist subculture which
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exists almost entirely online and that has been linked to at least four mass murders
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in North America. Media and academic coverage of inceels has focused on the violent
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few in cell killers, while little is known about the majority of in cells
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who have not acted violently. This hwed informational fields creates a risk of conflating
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in cell killers with in cells more broadly, and in so doing, stigmatizing
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the in cell community, creating grievances, and making the in cell identity more
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appealing to those predisposed to violence. Exactly. I mean, look at this,
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A weak association between in cells and radicalization, Isn't that surprising considering how
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much crap they've been dealing with from the media, from academia, from the
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government, from these these useless initiatives looking into them as terrors like they've been
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stigma, heavily stigmatized. They're dealing with being alienated and having social deficits in
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social interaction to begin with, and then they have to deal with with a
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society that seems to want to marginalize them even further. And it's only weakly
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correlated with extremism. Could you imagine how little correlation there would be before this
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society wide campaign to cast them as horribly violent criminals, you know what I
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mean? Yeah, I think that marginalizing them in order to try to encourage
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some small percentage to radicalize. I think that's the point. Because we have
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always had We've always had men who have gone through a dry spell, right
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Like we've always had that men who couldn't find a woman, couldn't get laid,
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and they usually found a way to sort of cope with that. Either
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they became monastic, or they you know, focused on other other goals and
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then attracted a partner anyway, or they leveled up or whatever. But like
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we generally have always had it, and we've always found ways to cope.
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But now that there is like so now that we have the Internet and we
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have people who feel the need to police and monitor other people's behaviors, that
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is I think it's on purpose. I mean, I've had b X on
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the channel before, she's talked at length about the ways that government does this
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where they basically like go into these online spaces and not just the inspel spaces.
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They go everywhere. They go on weightlifting forums, they go on you
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know, sports forums, they go on fantasy football. Wherever there's men.
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Basically, wherever there's men, there's there's like you know, the CIA,
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the FBI and these other like government and and they're there to watch them for
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for trouble because you know, I think that they are threatened by the existence
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of men who think for themselves. And I think in cells are just one,
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you know, subset of that. And uh, and yeah, there
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are people who are in there encouraging in cells to be radicalized, and they
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encourage them to commit mass shootings, they encourage them to transition, they encourage
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them to commit suicide, whatever it is to harass people. Right, So,
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yeah, it doesn't I'm not surprised at all that the finding is is
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that despite all of that, these guys remain non radicalized and they just kind
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of like, you know, just they're just sort of living, trying to
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cope. That's basically all it is. Basically, yeah, the best swirling
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and doing their best. And I mean, really that's the way we should
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have started from the beginning. All of this motivated reasoning in these ideological sphere
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like it's it it really distorts reality. Like for example, I've been I've
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been looking at how much feminist academia has corrupted the research around domestic violence and
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sexual assault, and it's all because they have motivated reasoning. They have motive
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they have in these in these subjects. So they don't go with an eye
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of okay, well, what what is it, how do we understand this
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population? Uh, with with an open mind. They go with a particular
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narrative that they want to maintain, and that narrative is men use domestic violence
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and sexual assault in order to maintain patriarchy. And essential to that narrative is
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to render female perpetrators and male victims as invisible as possible. And and because
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of that, almost all of us statistics around domestic violence and sexual assault are
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corrupted. But when you have this kind of corrupted information about a problem,
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you're never gonna fix it, You're never going to improve it. So they
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are literally sacrificing female victims. Like, again, I care about male victims
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too, but but the thing is that they advocates say they advocate for female
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victims of domestic violence and sexual assault, but by corrupting the data, they're
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ensuring that they never reduce the number of female victims, at least not through
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their interventions. Maybe society wide changes will, but they won't, you know.
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And it's it's astounding to me that they get lumped in with people who
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actually advocate for victims at all, male or female, because they don't.
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Feminists do not advocate for female victims of anything. Yeah, they don't help
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female victims of anything. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go and say that
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maybe a side effect sometimes of their advocacy for feminism, but for the most
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part, they're out for their ideology, and they're out for what their ideology
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gets them materially and in terms of well, financial resources, attention control,
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clout mm hmm. And it looks like this is the same sort of thing
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that's happening within cell community. People are there are ideologically motivated researchers going in
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and trying to shape this community into whatever will justify giving them money and clout,
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and it's it's actually really despicable. I think it's Yeah. I think
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it's actually a lot of the same people with the same ends too, because
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if you have to, if you want to effectively erase male victims of domestic
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violence, you have to erase male victimhood everywhere. So anything that even thinks
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of or has a whiff of of a man or a narrative that counteracts the
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predominant narrative of male privilege, you have to, like, you know,
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seal it, distort it, invert it, problematize it, pathologize it,
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whatever. And I think that's what they do. I think it's the same
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people, honestly. Or what I mean is if there were concentric circles,
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there would be a lot of overlap between the same kind of you know,
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feminist activists or academics or policymakers or politicians that will you know, claim that
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domestic violence is a patriarchal woman's issue, you know, then they follow the
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deluthe model and all that. I think those are mostly the same people who
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would say in cells are dangerous terrorists, so that you know, and it's
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the same arms of the state and so on that are involved. So yeah,
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I don't think that's surprising at all. And it is fascinating how we
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prioritize pushing this particular narrative over any other kind of situation. And it it's
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like, it's astounding how much the feminist narrative is captured. Yeah, well,
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narrative around these problems mental health and yeah, also domestic violence and sexual
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assault. But I mean we've we've digressed. Maybe we should continue. Okay,
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so you want me to finish the abstract, Okay, let's go back
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to We'll finish. So when we're ready to talk about something, let me
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know and I'll switch scenes so it's like just the two cameras and note like
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including the uh, you know paper, all right, gotcha. This paper
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aims to begin filling this knowledge gap by reporting results of an online survey of
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two hundred and seventy four in cells. Questions on the survey assessed beliefs,
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attitudes, violent thoughts, and intentions, as well as personal history of trauma
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and mental health issues. Below, we will briefly summarize what is presently known
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about in cell violence, ideology, and subculture from mass media reports as well
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as from academic research, identifying pertinent research directions. Before we will report on
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the studies, methods, or findings. So they're gonna they give us some
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They're gonna give us some of Essentially, this is what the media says in
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cells are. This is what like the the the academic literature so far,
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if any says so far. And after we present the narrative, because that's
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essentially what they're doing, we are going to talk about the study we did,
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our methodology, and our findings. So that makes sense. Yep.
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Now I already mentioned this while you were cleaning. I don't know if you
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heard, but they only they have a survey of two hundred and seventy four
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in cells. That sounds like a small sample. But I think that the
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reasoning is that I doubt that they were able to get more because in cells
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are probably already extremely suspicious of like academics, people who are conducting studies and
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stuff. Right, Yeah, that's true. However, I want to sort
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of lay something to rest two hundred and forty sample, depending on how they
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are selected, can be representative. Yeah, I'm not trying to dismiss it.
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I'm just saying, like, it's not a thousand ample size, but
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as long as the sampling is done impartially and isn't like, isn't motivated.
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Like for example, if you have like a feminist survey of thirty women in
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a women's shelter and they all say that when they hit they were doing it
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defensively. Like basically what feminists do is they'll go to a woman's shelter,
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or they'll go to women who are currently trying to charge a man with domestic
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violence, and they'll ask that subset of women, when you hit your husband,
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you know, why do you do it? And these women will say,
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of course, oh, I do it for self defense. And interestingly
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enough, they do have some samples of women who apparently they're the only ones
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hitting the men and they're only ever doing it in self defense. Isn't that
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fascinating? You know? So that that's a most sampling, Like that's uh,
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you have a self and it's not just self selecting. It's selected by
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the researchers to get a particular result. But if you're not doing that.
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If you're taking more of a randomized sample of a population, this amount can
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can be a fairly accurate representation. Okay, that's how Yeah, No,
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just ex sampling works, you know, right, No, I I know,
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I'm I'm saying that for the people who are are watching, they might
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not know. But I also think that, like, if they could have
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gotten more, they would have. And I think that a lot of the
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guys on the INSUL forums they don't trust. They don't trust the media.
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They don't I mean, why would they write so researchers. They've probably come
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forward many like in previous studies and said, oh yeah, I'll give you
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my point of view. And this is like literally men talking about their feelings
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and they get thrown under the bus. So why would they come forward?
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So I'm I'm actually surprised that they got this many willing participants. So but
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anyway, all right, so do you want you want me to read through
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all of the like their examples because we know some of these guys, like
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it's like Elliott Roger, you know what, I'm actually more interested. Well,
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I mean we could read through, we could skip, we could skip
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through to the uh, well we could do this one in cell killer Jake
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Davidson, and we could then read this bit about the black pill ideology and
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then skip ahead to the uh. Just what's interesting is how they analyze the
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basically, how the I guess the researchers and the failed that are ideologically motivated
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have classified so called incidences of in cell violence. That might be interesting.
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I think it's after we do the case studies into the two alleged in cell
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kill me to jump ahead, to jump ahead. Okay, let's let's see
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the black pil ideology, the in cell subculture. I think we understand this
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because we've talked about it many times. Yeah, find existing research, this
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one right here, right, existing research, Okay. Hoffman, Ware and
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Shapiro identified fourteen cases of violence with quote in cell ideological influences end quote.
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These were divided into four categories, clear in cell motivated terrorist attacks, attacked
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with attacks with mixed motives that evidence in sell ideological influences, Attacks of targeted
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violence perpetuated by self professed in cells, and ex post facto in seldom,
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a category that includes individuals that quote could not have been part of online in
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cell communities as their actions predate the advent of most online forums and quote,
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can I just I just want to point something out. All of this is
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essentially men being upset that they're not attractive, like to win. Yeah,
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that's it. Like, in order to be classified as an insult, you
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can go on in an internet forum and simply be upset about the fact that
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men want or sorry, women want a slim, young, you know,
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chiseled, athletic man and just be upset about that. Like, I mean,
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if we use this category then and then applied it to women, I'm
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sure that we would turn up a whole subculturistic culture of terroristic you know,
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fem cells, the fat fat phobic movements, the the lookism movements, all
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of them are just basically complained body positivity. Like literally body positivity is the
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inverse of in the in cell movement, because there's there are saying that we
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are entitled to be seen as attractive or we are entitled to being sexual.
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Well, it is what it is what the media claims in cell the o
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the insel population is too well I mean, and that the insult population has
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no means to do it, Like they don't have the ability to force women
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to find them attractive. They just don't. But but the body positivity movement
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certainly does because it can use all kinds of shaming tactics, stigmatization of people,
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uh, destroying their careers like that. They are actually weaponized I don't
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know, weaponized unattractiveness. The body positivity movement is weaponized the unattractiveness and nobody
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is calling them out. That's definitely an attitude of entitlement. Because you don't
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have the right to destroy so or well, I guess you do. I
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mean your freedom of speech. But we really should reconsider a society in which
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women can destroy men simply because they don't find them sexually attractive, like they
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can destroy them socially, and that they're promoting this idea that it's immoral for
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women or for men to have standards. And on the other side, we
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have the insul forums, which are just sort of in their own little corner
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bitching about the standards that women have. And yeah, there are in cells
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that are exhaustingly like negative. Sure, but think about it, they're just
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in their forum upset over being unattractive. That's that's it. That's that's the
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line. Okay, all right, so let's see, Uh, but the
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but who's violent. I'll go back to the there's actually where is there?
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Where does the sentence start? Okay X pact X post facto. In cell
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them a category that includes individuals that could not have been part of online in
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cell communities, as their actions predate the advent of most online forums. So
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we're talking about people who men who have done these things before there was online
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in cell forums, but whose violent acts nonetheless conform to the path turns of
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social isolation generally and rejection by women specifically that animated subsequent in cel violence.
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Does that include like the unibomber. Wasn't he kind of a recluse guy that
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ended up blowing up a building? Or what I mean? Like what because
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they say this is before, Like so basically if you were if there was
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a man who committed a atrocity and it was learned after that he didn't have
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a girlfriend, then that could be attributed to to being an in cell Right.
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What about guy Fox when he went when he went to like blow up
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Parliament? Was he like single at the time, Like I mean I just
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one? Yeah? Okay, is lost terrorism technically in cell terrorism? There?
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Yeah, you guys, screw try to square that circle. There buds.
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So in cel terrorism was an inside job, that's what you're saying.
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All right, anyway, let's move on too soon, Okay. The authors
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concluded that although only a small number of incidents have been linked to this movement,
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the nature of discourse in the community makes it hard to tell which posts
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present a threat and which are just cathartic satire or false bravado. But why
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would we try to figure it out when we can just say it's all in
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seldom? Ok Can I just point something out? Yeah, the common denominator
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here is social isolation, mental health issues, likely histories of abuse. Why
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don't we just give men services it tailored to how men process these things to
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help them overcome their issues. And then you're also dealing with the suicide epidemic
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and the epidemic of boys failing in school and dropping out of the workplace,
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like all of the quiet quitting that we're seeing, like you don't have to
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just this seems like the exact opposite. I can't I keep I keep coming
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to this conclusion that the people who have control over dealing with these issues,
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or doing the exact opposite of dealing with them, they're in fact making them
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worse and in some case aggravating to the point where either nothing is resolved or
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they get worse or violence happens. Like this is the ministry whatever government organization
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is dealing with this. It's like the ministry of making everything worse. Yeah,
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yeah, I mean they don't even want to talk about it until like
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they're hurting like other people, or potentially hurting other people, because when they're
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just taking when they're just dealing with themselves, that doesn't there's no studies being
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done, at least not a satisfactory one. They're just saying, well,
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they should start with their feelings more. They're just using it. Essentially,
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they're using this violence as political talking points, just like they use black men
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being shot by police as to political talking points. But they don't care outside
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of that, Like nobody who used, for example, George Floyd is a
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political political talking point, cave a crap a rat's ass about him while he
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was alive and slowly killing himself doing that thing. Men do that just you
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know, slowly not taking care of himself, self destructing, instructed and self
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destructing. Is nobody gave it. Crats, none of them, none of
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them who made bank millions of dollars off of his death, cared one wit
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about him while he was alive. None of them. It's just like this
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with the in cels. They don't care about in cells except maybe to parently
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poke them and see if they'll do it. They'll do They'll do a violence
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Will you do a violence? Poke? Poke? Poke? Will you do
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violence? Poke? Poke? Poke? Poke? Do a mass mass murder?
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All right? Back to this, Uh all right. Other researchers use
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would you chill out? Other researchers use tech based analysis analyzes of in cells
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online communication on social media, mainly Reddit and other popular in cell discussion forums.
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For example, in a thematic analysis of seventy seven posts from former in
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cells on Reddit, Hints and Baker twenty twenty one showed that in cell identity
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is linked with a physical appearance, disability, mental health issues, abuse at
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home, and personality issues, all of which were more prevalent than beliefs about
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masculinity, sex, and relationships. Yeah these guys are suffering. Yeah,
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no shit that a group of men who's marginalized from society, suffering personal abuse,
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suffering mental health issues has a small number that go on to engage in
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any kind of violence. Probably mostly against themselves. This is what I've been
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saying from the beginning about them. It's like, yeah, they've they probably
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are, you know, they feel like they're physically unattractive, they have disabilities,
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they have mental health issues, and they're and they're aware this is the
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truth of it. Okay, they're aware that that puts them out of the
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gene pool. Like the overwhelming majority of women, no matter what those women
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like look like, right, no matter what their number is, will reject
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these men outright, mm hmm. So they know that and they're just sort
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of like, well, this is my reality, and it doesn't make it
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easy because human beings crave connection with other human beings. So honestly, the
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pool of insults is getting larger to be well, that's because the the yeah,
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what women are finding like you know, permissible is shrinking at a rapid
30:52
rate. Like there there's plenty of women who are who know they're in harems
30:55
and they are okay with it because they believe they're with a high value man.
31:00
And that's their words, not mine. Yeah, And like the standards
31:04
that women have again are and you know what they're I don't even think they're
31:07
driven by a personal personal sense of self. Like, if you are a
31:12
woman, you know what you like. You have your hobbies, you have
31:15
your interests, right and you're interested in maybe sharing them with the with the
31:18
man. Or you have your virtues, whatever, you have an idea or
31:22
a plan or something that's not that isn't what I'm talking about. But what's
31:27
going on is that women are competing with each other over the men that they
31:36
get. And the problem with the average man is that he is not capable
31:41
of making the average woman's friends jealous. Thus, you know that it's getting
31:49
fewer and fewer relationships on the level of the average And it's because nothing really
31:56
to do necessarily with a problem with men being attracted of or anything like that,
32:01
but not really about women's standards for men. It's really about women's relationships
32:07
to each other. There are toxic levels of competition with each other and and
32:16
that we can't we we have no means to call that out and calm it
32:21
down and quell it because we can't hold women to a standard. As soon
32:24
as we do, the feminists come marching out and say misogyny. It's like,
32:30
and that actually makes women's relationships with each other deteriorate. And remember a
32:36
while back, we were we reviewed one of Hannah Cox's videos, or the
32:42
feminist video, and she was complaining about a woman who was very sad because
32:46
she didn't feel like she did have relationships with women because they were backstabbing and
32:52
and there were you know, they had these competitive stuff and the jed basically
32:57
overwhelmingly determined by jealous and envy. And she was just expressing how upset she
33:02
was over that, and Hannah Cox laid into her. It's like, but
33:07
it is a problem because when you don't hold women to any kind of standard
33:13
in their relationships, that includes their relationships with other women, how are you
33:17
supposed to enjoy relationships with other women when nobody is telling them, don't be
33:23
a bully, don't engage in toxic competition, don't gossip, don't backbite,
33:30
you know, like, don't backstab. You know that these are behaviors that
33:34
are unacceptable in your relationships. I mean, nobody's allowed to say that anymore,
33:38
except it maybe more like fundamentalist Christian communities or more traditionalists for Christian communities,
33:45
so that nobody's addressing it. So we now live in a society with
33:51
which is being driven by absolutely toxic female competition that results in more and more
33:55
misery for women, and men are just on the sidelines watching this, and
34:00
occasionally a woman will stand up like like this, like you know how cats
34:05
get into a kerfuffle and they turn into like a fur ball. You know,
34:08
all these women are like in a freaking football field and a fur ball
34:12
just occasionally to stop and then like there's like men just on the on the
34:19
sidelines looking what what what, and they occasionally a couple of women stop and
34:22
blame men. It's like, no, no, this has nothing to do
34:28
with men. It has absolutely every time a woman stands up and says,
34:31
men aren't living up to our standards, no, that's not what's happening.
34:37
What's happening is that your standards are based on competition with other women, and
34:43
an average man can, by definition, cannot live up to the standard of
34:49
making your friends jealous because he's average. There's a lot of average men,
34:54
you might you might say, it's the majority, it's the majority curve.
35:00
Yeah, yeah, so anyway, so it's it's just you don't even see,
35:06
like the whole kerfuffle around trans women is basically that it's basically two groups
35:10
of feminists in a fucking fur ball, hissing and scratching at each other and
35:15
occasionally stopping and blaming men, and men are like, what what yea?
35:21
What we do? Yeah? Okay, all right, let's get back to
35:28
this all right, so uh la la la la. Another study examine narratives
35:36
that emerge from Intel online posts revealing perceived discrimination by physical appearance and masculine entitlement
35:42
over women. Studies that use quantitative and qualitative textual analysis and automatic profiling techniques
35:50
observed misogyny, homophobia, and racism in in cells' online postings. In discussion
35:55
forums, Intel online discourse has also revealed a experiences of depression, hopelessness,
36:02
suicidal ideation, and violent fantasies about great However, it is not clear whether
36:10
highly radicalized online discourse characterizes the in cell community as a whole, or is
36:15
instead a salient representation of a small radical subgroup of in cells. Indeed,
36:22
Jackie at All twenty nineteen found that only a small subset of insell forum users,
36:29
about ten percent, were responsible for most of the hateful content. And
36:32
that's not even like criminal, that's just like the content that that person found,
36:38
you know, troubling. Somebody should like hang around my place for a
36:43
minute, you'll probably think that you want to call the cops on me.
36:45
Some similarly, bael at All twenty nineteen also found that an extremely active small
36:51
group of users were responsible for a disproportionate amount of output. So there's another
36:58
thing. So you have like people on the forums, and then you have
37:00
the people who are you know, probably a majority of them are like lurkers
37:06
that don't post often, if at all, and then you have a tiny
37:08
percentage that at say the most stuff, and that that tiny percentage within that
37:13
group is a much smaller subgroup of you know, of users that might say
37:19
like really radical stuff, And of course that's not the way these things are
37:22
reported, but that's generally how all of these online spaces work. You get
37:28
a majority of lurkers, and then there's a minority of people who comment frequently
37:32
or post frequently, and then you have within that a tiny percentage of people
37:37
that might say something crazy like use more gamer words more generally, While studies
37:45
of inceel online activities offer important clues about in cell subculture, ideology, and
37:50
mass psychology, the online medium limits generalizability of these findings. I got through
37:55
that. Online personas may differ dramatically. Yeah, that word looks scary and
38:00
I just just walk right through it. Online personas may differ dramatically from online
38:06
attitudes or offline attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors. That's also true. So
38:10
estimating real world danger from in cell community from their online activity is not straightforward
38:17
for two reasons. First, online expression can only capture radical attitudes, which
38:23
predict less than one percent of radical action, So radical attitudes do not lead
38:30
to radical action. It's apparently less than one percent. Second, the most
38:35
violent actors in a radical group tend to behave differently online than the rest of
38:38
the group, or online violent members of right wing extremist movements where less prolific
38:45
posters online than their non violent counterparts. So yeah, I mean, basically,
38:52
the dangerous people are probably the lurkers. So those of you who are
38:54
lurking in our chat right now and not posting I'm watching you. Actually no,
39:00
but the CIA is Hello, CIA, Hello, FBI, welcome to
39:05
the stream. All right, got a country to d stable this study?
39:12
Therefore, oh sorry, go ahead. Maybe if it's CIA, are the
39:15
extremists actually a lot of times, a lot of times they are a lot
39:22
of times they are. I believe I believe that there's Charles Manson was like
39:28
I believe Charles Manson was like an asset and puff Daddy too. So yeah,
39:32
probably pretty radical. I don't know. But anyway, one more paragraph.
39:37
Okay, at least in this section. This study therefore offers an important
39:40
empirical datum by reaching beyond the potentially misleading online activity to empirically connect in cell
39:46
ideology and mental health with radical ideas and intentions through in depth surveys of two
39:53
hundred and seventy four active insels in one of the most populous in cell online
39:58
discussion forums. So now they're going to get into the methods and their results.
40:05
This is the actual study that they did, and I guess I gotta
40:07
say so I did. I did kind of peruse this earlier, so I
40:13
had some time, and I think that this is a step in the right
40:17
direction. I'm gonna say it's great, but I'm gonna say it's a step
40:21
in the right direction. It seems to be like that the people who did
40:22
this are actually trying to like see what the real like, what's really going
40:27
on and what the real risk is. I don't know that they have all.
40:30
I think the only thing they offer ultimately is that, you know,
40:36
maybe you guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill, like people
40:38
like Laura Bates, who wrote a whole book about this right that her named
40:43
Laura Bates. She went she went there. Okay, So let's see,
40:50
she was a woman in her thirties who posed as an underage boy. Yeah,
40:55
yeah, yeah, she poses the underage boys. Wayne, No,
41:00
they were just like, oh, good, good spy work, okay methods.
41:06
This study is the product of several years of collaboration between the US based
41:10
counter radicalization program Light upon Light, founded by Jesse Morton and dedicated to preventing
41:16
encountering all forms of violent extremism, in Cells dot co, the most active
41:22
INSEL related online discussion forum, and Nama Kate's producer of the in Cell podcast.
41:30
So Namakates gets named here, which is interesting. Unfortunately, Nama had
41:35
I don't know, some kind of break and she is not on the internet
41:38
anymore, and I hope that she uh recovers, But it is it is
41:44
promising that they went to her, because I think that overall she was pretty
41:50
fair to the in cels as members of that community. And I've listened to
41:55
several episodes of her podcast and I think that it's one of the less histrionic
42:01
coverage. You know, it's the lowest. Anyway, So I got a
42:07
super chat screen real quick. So yeah, super chat from peer Peer a
42:15
N. And they say for two hundred sex. Hey, hey, I
42:22
didn't consent to this, to this sex. Now, what's SEK get Corona's
42:25
I think anyway? I think so, I think se k is what it
42:30
is. I think it's coronas, but I could be wrong. Peer a
42:35
N says you are doing a valuable contribution to society with these podcasts that highlight
42:38
the problems. Yeah, I thought so that. I'll read again, you
42:44
are doing a valuable contribution to society with these podcasts that highlight the problems within
42:50
the dating market. I'll happily feed the Badgers and give my take on the
42:53
subject as a comment when the show is done. Thank you, peer a
42:59
appreciate it. Well, there's Swedish crowns as Swedish crowns is what he says.
43:04
Okay, everybody, if you want to send a message, the very
43:06
best way to send a message to feed the Badger dot com slash just the
43:08
tip because we get the full benefit of whatever you send. YouTube just keeps
43:13
taking more. It's very not great. And with the betefit of sending us
43:19
a message with a little bit more space just to to uh mystify us,
43:23
bedazzle us with your with your textual wit and uh and you get you don't
43:30
have to send it through YouTube's comment enhancement system. So feed the badger dot
43:34
com slash just the tip and again you can do it after the show as
43:37
well, to just tell us we're not screaming into the void like uh,
43:40
this individual has I won't to tempt his name because it's sweedish, but thank
43:46
you again for for for supporting us. All right, shall we continue?
43:51
Uh yes, let's get back to this. So researchers at Light upon Light
43:57
designed a comprehensive sixty eight questions sir, which included quantitative multiple choice like open
44:04
ended qualitative questions and informed consent. Explained the survey's purpose, emphasizing anonymity and
44:12
warning that some of the questions may cause such psychological distress. Participants were advised
44:17
that they could elect not to answer a question and or drop out of the
44:22
survey. Participation at any time. They were provided with links to light upon
44:25
Light's confidential helpline number and contact information for the researchers. After completing the survey,
44:31
participants were given the option of participating in a random raffle of four gift
44:38
cards, one for fifty dollars, two cards were twenty five dollars each,
44:43
and one twenty dollars voucher from Game Stop. Let's go Game Stop. I'm
44:50
an incel, I could use fifty bucks. I'm kidding. It was a
44:53
raffle. So, you know, this just occurs to me that this is
45:00
actually a fairly gentle surveying. It sounds like as opposed to a lot of
45:05
the new feminist interview surveys of people who have experienced domestic assault or sexual violence,
45:15
in which they apparently are just act asking more and more intrusive questions in
45:20
order to get what they want, you know, which it's really it's actually
45:24
really disturbing to watch. So essentially on a feminist survey, you can't just
45:29
say yes, I was a victim of sexual assault. Now they're like,
45:31
but you know, look, imagine back to all of the experience of sexual
45:36
assault that you've had in the past year, five years, could you please
45:38
describe them in excruciating detail, and also please relive the experience of what their
45:45
effect was on you. And we want to know all you to detail all
45:47
of that as well, and give us a number, a number, you
45:51
know, like we want a specific number. You can include acts of groping
45:55
as like a one half percentage rate point. And it's like go on and
46:00
on and on and on, and you know why they're doing that. They're
46:01
doing it in order to minimize men, because men have It's just it's hard
46:07
enough for a guy to say yes I was raped, or yes I was
46:10
sexually assaulted, or yes I was forced into having sex. It's hard enough,
46:15
but then to start to goh, could you could you detail every single
46:20
instance in the last five years. Could you give me approximate number. Could
46:23
you tell me the exact emotional follow that you experienced. Please tell us how
46:30
weak and ineffectual and vulnerable you were it made you feel. And men are
46:32
like clam up and they also drop like because this is it's just too much.
46:39
It's too much, and it's certainly too much to ask when you're using
46:43
female interviewers, and this is another trick that they do. But I'm just
46:47
saying this seems like it was much more gentle, shall we say? Yeah,
46:53
I think I think they were legitimately trying to get data, and I
46:58
appreciate that. So the survey was posted to the insells dot co forum website
47:02
with an invitation for adult forum members that self identified as in cells to participate.
47:08
The survey ran on in cells dot co from December seventh of twenty twenty
47:14
to January second of twenty twenty one, wow, right before the attack of
47:19
the Capitol Results. SPSS Statistical Package version twenty one was used for all analyzes
47:24
reported below in total three hundred and what. Okay, all right, no,
47:31
no, you can you can read all of this, I mean,
47:34
all right, the people can look it up as well to just investigate,
47:37
because I think, really what's important and I do appreciate how like they obviously
47:42
took pains to write this in a very clear way that's accessible to people,
47:46
which is really good. We can go through like the demographics. I don't
47:52
yeah, well, we could look at it briefly. I mean, I
47:57
don't know. I think these might be interesting, interesting like stats to look
48:02
at before we get into it. But I did get another super chat so
48:07
let me just read that one out really quick. Arman gives us twenty dollars.
48:10
Thank you, Arman, very nice, very nice. Here, I'll
48:15
just give you one of these right language all right, And he says,
48:19
I always catch bathroom live streams and videos when I can. I've been watching
48:23
you for a few years now, and thanks for everything you all do.
48:27
Has there been any new update on having Aaron Pitsy on. I have to
48:31
email her still, but I'm going to. So I'm I'm I'm thinking about
48:36
bringing back the classics, like getting on and Pitsy again and Harry Crouch and
48:43
people we haven't yet. Well, I had Paul not that long ago,
48:45
a few months back, but I could see if I can get him back
48:49
on again. So yeah, like I just want to get Aaron Pitsy,
48:53
you know, I saw just as an aside. One of the things that
48:57
made me think about getting Aaron Pitsy on was there was this little viral short
49:00
video after Aaron Pitsy won an award not that long ago. She won an
49:06
award like some kind of lifetime human rights award or achievement, right, and
49:13
Gerard Butler, do you guys know who Gerard Butler is? Allison, do
49:16
you ever see the movie three hundred, the guy who plays King Leonidas.
49:21
He's the guy who plays King Leonidas on that movie, He's the main character.
49:24
Yeah, he made a video that was like a personal congratulations to Aaron
49:30
Pitsy and that like, yeah, that he like had some personal relationship with
49:37
her when he was young. And so I thought it was super fascinating.
49:42
And I wanted to ask Aaron Pittsy about the story of Gerard Butler because she,
49:45
I don't know, maybe she doesn't know that he's like a movie star.
49:49
And she was just like, yeah, you know, I knew him
49:52
when he was like from D five O three. Who gives us fifty MX?
49:57
Not sure what the MX is and says Mexican Mexican pesos probably yeah,
50:04
maybe I don't know. I'll just say that and says, yeah, MX
50:08
as the currency. You should invite Aiden Paladin to discuss this kind of stuff.
50:14
She has always talked good about you. She probably will be happy to
50:15
join. Well, we used to have around all the time. I just
50:19
I just kind of but you know what I did. I did. It's
50:22
funny you mentioned I did send her a DM like yesterday, and she replied
50:27
and said hello and I and I said, I want to talk to you
50:30
about something because there is a study that I want her to look at.
50:32
But it's a different one that I thought she'd be really interested in. Oh
50:37
it was the thing that we've been talking about, the girl Boss thing,
50:39
and I thought she should go through that and take a look at it.
50:43
So, yes, she should look at the millennial shift and do her Yeah,
50:45
the millennial shift. Yeah, yeah, So anyway, but thank you,
50:50
D five oh three. Yes, Aiden Paladin is a friend of the
50:52
channel. I haven't had her on in a while, but we well,
50:57
I mean Teal Deer, Yes, we said it's you know, we have
51:00
this, we have this thing. Okay, I don't know what it is,
51:04
but this channel remains tiny and I always wanted to become bigger and I
51:08
know that it can, and I think that the content is good. But
51:10
for some reason, we end up being this bridge for other people. So
51:15
we had on like Blair White, She's my primary example, but not the
51:21
only one. Carl too, Sargon, but we haven't ok yeah, yeah,
51:28
subs and now he's got his own media company. You know, we
51:32
had him Blair White when she had like twelve hundred subs on her tiny little
51:36
channel, and we only had her on because she was friends with another transgender
51:39
person, far And Meyer and yeah, and I had them both on together,
51:45
and we had Blair White a couple oft times. And now Blair White
51:46
is massive. She's like hang out with rosean Bar, you know, and
51:51
like going on. She's in music videos with like Tom McDonald and other people.
51:55
And I'm like, wow, congratulations, like real happy for you.
51:59
But yeah, I don't know where the hidden It's like the Midas touch,
52:02
but we can't touch ourselves. So yeah, I mean we can't. Well
52:06
that's all is probably shouldn't do it against it against the anyway. Yeah,
52:15
I'm I'm I'm happy to get Aiden back on as well. I think it's
52:20
partially like we have a lot of different voices and also we tend to do
52:24
more esoteric subjects. And I think that again, I think that people underestimate
52:31
the difficulty of recognizing, you know, men's vulnerabilities and the things that women
52:39
have control over. Like neither men nor women really want to have that conversation
52:44
because it's embarrassing to women because they have to take responsibility. And I think
52:50
women really struggle, like a lot of women really struggle with this idea that
52:53
this is a behavior, It is not you, it is something you are
53:00
doing for sure. Separate the two things and you can cease the behavior.
53:05
You can have control over the behavior. And I think I think that people
53:08
are becoming more I think they're people are becoming more receptive to this conversation though,
53:16
because like Pearl is a good example, she's done, She's had Paul
53:22
on a number of times, and those videos are blowing up. I think
53:23
that it's becoming way more mainstream than it was like when I started doing this.
53:30
Yeah so, but again I still think it's like that that that difficulty
53:35
around getting women to understand that be their their behaviors aren't destiny, they can
53:43
take control of them and change them, and then getting men to understand that
53:47
or or accept or be okay with you know that this perception that if you
53:53
recognize how women affect you, if you are vulnerable in that way, you
53:58
cease to be attractive to women, which is not wrong, Like that's not
54:02
not not the case. Like as we as we found out with the the
54:07
ick List, anything any kind of excessive emotional response or failure or not being
54:17
perfect seems to give women the ick. But at the same time is that
54:22
this, this whole dynamic is constructing a barrier between men and women, and
54:25
if we don't address it, the barrier remains. Okay, yeah, I
54:30
mean I don't think it's impossible. I guess it starts with like we just
54:35
we I'm I think that we sell like the packaging, so we have Yes,
54:39
the message is we don't have to compromise that at all, but we
54:43
make the packaging more appealing, people more likely to open it. But anyway,
54:45
I got one more super chat. Our man gives us five dollars and
54:50
says, do you think you get Janis Fiamengo on the show as a guest.
54:52
Yes, I've already reached out to Janis as well. I've got I've
54:55
got well, I've had Jenis on many times, but I'm trying to get
54:59
it back on again. But I'm I have a specific subject because I don't
55:02
want to just bring people on just be like, hey, so I was
55:06
the weather in Ottawa, you know, like I I'd rather have something to
55:09
talk about. So with Janie, I have some I want to talk a
55:13
little bit about these kind of like post feminist like proto feminist writers the romantic
55:22
era and stuff that was kind of going on, because I think there's a
55:24
relationship there, and I think i'd like to know what she thinks about it,
55:28
because her whole thing was literature, right, that was what she talked
55:31
about. So and she's a great writer. I love it. I love
55:35
Janis. But anyway, so that's it for the super chats. Let me
55:40
just make sure I didn't miss any rumble rants or super chows. No,
55:44
no, no, all right, So we're gonna move on to the next
55:46
story. I mean, I'm sorry that was from the new show. We're
55:50
gonna move on into this study and read some more. So let's look at
55:54
the demographics because I think this is important too, because I don't know what
55:58
it's gonna say, I've even read it. But there is a narrative that
56:00
the in cell community is all like straight white men, and I know that's
56:06
not true, just like because I know, but that's the narrative. So
56:10
this is important. Participants age ranges from eighteen to sixty nine. Wow,
56:15
that's some older guys there, with the mean of twenty four point eighty four.
56:22
The majority one hundred and forty seven people, which is about half,
56:25
were white. Caucasian, twenty eight percent were Asian, twenty four percent were
56:30
Black, twenty percent were Hispanic, nineteen percent were Middle Eastern, and thirty
56:36
six Oh no, I'm sorry the number I'm reading the wrong thing. Ten
56:38
percent were Asian, eight percent were Black, seven percent were Hispanic, seven
56:45
about seven percent we're Middle Eastern, and thirteen percent were mixed or other.
56:50
So that again, this should shake down the idea that it's a white movement.
56:57
It is not, obviously. Actually, I think minority men, especially
57:00
like guys that are like Indian, I think that they're having like a really
57:05
hard time, and I think that there they make up a significant number of
57:09
people in the in Cell movement. And when they don't say Indian, but
57:14
they do say Asian, and I think Indian men count as Asian, so
57:19
that's probably why they're using the word Asian and not Oriental or something. So
57:24
religious beliefs, what this is probably from a white majority country, so yeah,
57:30
yeah, it's probably the West. It's probably a Western country because that
57:32
they're getting it from in Cell dot CO. And it's probably majority like American
57:38
English, like British, European, Canadian, American religious beliefs. The majority
57:45
of the participants did not have a religious affiliation. Thus thirty six percent were
57:51
atheists. A sixty one percent did not have religious of A. Thirty six
57:55
percent were atheists, twenty five percent were agnostics, Christians were nineteen percent,
58:01
fourteen or five percent were Muslim. Four percent believed in Hinduism or Daoism,
58:08
Jews made up one point five percent, and eight percent believed in some other
58:14
religion like they were Odonists or warlocks or you know, I don't know.
58:20
They worshiped the Okami, the Amaratasu, the goddess of the sun, so
58:27
something else interesting, I think anyway. Gender and sexual orientation two hundred and
58:34
seventy two percent. Ninety nine percent were male, and the others did not
58:38
answer the question, so they who knows, They probably didn't feel comfortable answering
58:44
the question. Okay, Almost all ninety four percent said they were heterosexual thirteen
58:52
participants. Five percent said they were bisexual, and zero point four percent were
58:58
homosexual, and two percent said other. It's another thing that is worth pointing
59:02
out now. Obviously it's going to be mostly straight people because the issue seems
59:08
to me women, yes, not being attracted to women, So that that's
59:14
it, all right? I don't know if you want to do the education
59:19
too. I think the mental health is important. Let me let me be
59:22
able to read something. I'll read the education. Go ahead. Education thirty
59:27
one participants. Eleven percent received some high school instruction eighty participants. Twenty nine
59:31
percent received a high school diploma or equivalent sixty three twenty three percent took some
59:37
college classes college classes. Eight percent received a two year college degree, twenty
59:44
one percent graduated from a four year college with a bachelor's degree, six percent
59:50
received a graduate professional degree. Finally, four percent took some graduate courses.
59:54
Two percent educated yeah, two percent no, No, I mean like I'm
59:59
an already. Yeah, it's not that okay. Mental health. Several questions
1:00:04
of the survey asked about mental health. Some of these focused on self reported
1:00:07
symptoms of psychological problems, while others asked about diagnosed psychopathology. Participants were asked
1:00:15
to respond using a five point like scale one not at all to five very
1:00:21
much, and then it would ask questions like how do you intensely How intensely
1:00:25
do you experience depression, anxiety, or autism spectrum traits. Nearly all participants,
1:00:32
ninety five percent experienced some depression responding above one on the five point likeered
1:00:40
scale. The mean intensity of depressive symptoms reported by participants was M three point
1:00:50
eight SD one point two mean intensity. Nearly all participants, ninety four percent
1:01:02
reported some anxiety. The average intensity of self reported anxiety amongst participants was M
1:01:09
three point seven SD one point twenty four. Finally, one ninety nine participants
1:01:17
out of two hundred and seventy four, which is seventy four percent, reported
1:01:22
experiencing some autism spectrum traits. Participants of self reported intensity of autism spectrum traits
1:01:30
averaged at M two point five seven SD one three three. So M is
1:01:38
I think the median, and SD is standard deviation by I'm correct on that.
1:01:44
So on average, the median was about, you know, essentially in
1:01:49
all three of these just about if it's a scale of one to five,
1:01:52
then this is like the middle or further up in general. So they experienced
1:01:58
depression, anxiety, and some autism spectrum traits. Participants were also asked whether
1:02:05
they ever received a formal diagnosis for depression, anxiety or autism spectrum disorder.
1:02:10
Out of the two hundred and seventy four participants, one hundred and two about
1:02:15
thirty seven percent reported having been diagnosed with depression. Similarly, one hundred and
1:02:20
one participants about thirty seven percent again reported having been diagnosed with anxiety. Finally,
1:02:27
fifty participants about eighteen percent, have received a formal diagnosis of autism spectrum
1:02:31
disorder. Overall, one hundred and forty seven fifty six percent of the surveyed
1:02:37
in cells reported not having ever received any formal diagnosis of mental illness. So
1:02:46
I think that there's probably just, based on the number of participants overlap.
1:02:52
So a number of guys experienced depression, anxiety, and autism spectrum you know
1:03:00
traits, right like, probably most of them have an overlap. And the
1:03:05
other thing is is that they are asking them to self diagnosed, but they
1:03:07
also asked them if they saw anyone and it looks like about half, well
1:03:12
actually a little bit more than half, have never received a formal diagnosis.
1:03:19
Now that's either because they don't trust like therapists. That could be it,
1:03:24
I mean, therapy isn't exactly welcoming to men, but it could also be
1:03:29
that they just never like just never thought to look into it, and they
1:03:34
thought that what they were feeling and experiencing was normal. So and it might
1:03:37
have been because I don't know how you can really, I don't know,
1:03:42
precisely diagnose that or assume that. So what's interesting to me? Okay,
1:03:50
so we're going to be going into the section on bullying, so that's mm
1:03:53
hmmm. Do you want me to read that one? Because I think this
1:03:58
is I think this you have a what I haven't been doing much, so
1:04:00
i'd like to oh, okay, all right, yeah, let's go.
1:04:02
You go ahead, and let's talk about bullying because I think this is like,
1:04:06
this is important, this is critical and exempting all the bullying that the
1:04:13
media is doing to them and feminist academics. Bullying and Persecution. Participants were
1:04:19
asked have you ever experienced bullying? Only thirty seven out of two hundred and
1:04:25
seventy four participants, fourteen percent said that they had never experienced bullying. One
1:04:30
hundred and seventy seven participants. Sixty five percent reported experiencing bullying as a child
1:04:38
ages twelve and below. One hundred and ninety That is, sixty nine percent
1:04:42
said the experienced bullying as a teen sorry, sixty nine percent you don't need
1:04:45
it, okay, god ages thirteen to eighteen and sixty nine said they have
1:05:00
experienced bullying as an adult. To measure the compounded effect of long term bullying,
1:05:05
a scale was composed by adding the three variables measuring bullying in childhood,
1:05:10
teenage, yers, and adulthood, with yes answers counting as one and no
1:05:13
answers counting as zero. The resulting bullying scale ranged from zero to three,
1:05:18
so the mean was one point five nine. So most of the in cells
1:05:25
were bullied as children and bullied either as adults or teenagers. A separate question
1:05:30
or a substantial portion of them or a separate question asked about persecution for their
1:05:35
identity as in cells, have you ever been persecuted for identifying as an insul
1:05:40
yes? No. Of two hundred and seventy four responses, one hundred and
1:05:44
one thirty nine reported a history of persecution and the rest one hundred and seventy
1:05:49
three sixty three percent did not share this experience. There was a significant correlation
1:05:54
between a history of persecution as an insult and a history of being bullied,
1:05:58
so they show that the the p is greater than zero point one, so
1:06:01
there is a There is a correlation there such that those who have reported a
1:06:06
history of being bullied were significantly more likely to also report a history of persecution
1:06:11
for their in cell identity. It's interesting because if you think about it,
1:06:15
this could be considered itself a gender identity. Being a man who is not
1:06:19
naturally like does not evince the qualities the phenotype that is attractive to women.
1:06:27
Yeah, like, if you think about it like a because I think that
1:06:32
there's probably a really strong correlation between not being attractive to women and being a
1:06:39
man who is more conscientious and neurotic has higher neuroticism and emotionality. Because if
1:06:46
you again, if we go, if we think we have a funk back
1:06:50
to that list of X that women had, being a man who was emotional,
1:06:56
being a man who had failures of I guess it would basically be stoicism.
1:07:02
So the men that women didn't feel the ick for were men who were
1:07:09
most always emotionally. They had a flat emotional affect. They were not feminine.
1:07:15
They were toxically masculine. Now yeah, yeah, that's the unfortunate truth,
1:07:20
isn't it? Like the well it is, I mean it is.
1:07:25
What is classified as toxic masculinity is stuff that generally attracts women while also trying
1:07:31
to convince them that they should reject it. Yes, but it's like women
1:07:35
want more of an emotional rock, right, they want something that they feel
1:07:42
is going to be like a place of solidity and solidies, and if you
1:07:46
aren't in complete control of your emotions, you don't give that sense of being
1:07:51
a rock. And there are men who seem to naturally like their masculinity and
1:07:59
they're they're natural I guess hormonal landscape and brain structure lends them very well to
1:08:03
being that kind of stoic not very necessarily necessarily affected, like strongly affected.
1:08:13
I mean, because what were the things that caused the ick being excited to
1:08:15
see your girlfriend having an umbrella, you know, falling down, any kind
1:08:23
of joy you know, like so but there, I think most men are
1:08:30
actually less emotional, like at least their emotions are less volatile than women.
1:08:36
And I think it's actually, you know, it's not that men's emotions are
1:08:41
less volatile, it's that they express them physically more, I think. And
1:08:45
so it's it's a different kind of expression, and women are attracted to that
1:08:50
because well, we are sort of a dimorphic species and we did sort of
1:08:57
evolve to have traits that are complementary I know that this is completely unacceptable.
1:09:02
But then you know the guys who are less able to embody that kind of
1:09:05
masculinity again, the guys who are high on conscientious trait neuroticism, uh,
1:09:13
you know, trait emotionality. They are in a way their own kind of
1:09:18
phenotype, off on their own And it's interesting how you could consider them to
1:09:26
be their own little subcategory of masculinity. I don't know if they want to.
1:09:31
That isn't as attractive to women, and yet we are persecuting them and
1:09:39
literally persecuting those men who aren't expressing the so called toxic masculinity that feminists.
1:09:45
And there is another this is this is not the study that we're covering today.
1:09:48
This is another study that I've read that showed that insults actually have less
1:09:55
misogynistic quote unquote attitudes towards women than me are banging the babes, shall we
1:10:01
say, you know, and and that's really interesting too. So they so
1:10:06
the landscape of the in cel is somebody as a man who's sensitive, who's
1:10:12
been who maybe has some emotional reactivity because he's experienced abast and bullying, he
1:10:17
is maybe more a little more neurotic and risk adverse. He's more conscientious,
1:10:24
much more of an interior world. So he's sort of like a sensitive,
1:10:26
introspective, artistic, more feminine type. And again, the average woman not
1:10:32
attracted to that, and we aren't allowed to recognize that and say, well,
1:10:38
this is this is this is a mismatch. It's a bit of a
1:10:41
mismatch. And in some cases, in some societies, maybe we encourage men
1:10:46
to overcome that and to embody more. They're like like build up, they're
1:10:51
more masculine qualities in order to become more attractive. In some cases, maybe
1:10:56
we gave them a a purpose outside of being attractive to women. But but
1:11:02
but you know, so I'm just I'm just pointing this out that this sounds
1:11:05
like it could be considered to be its own sub category. It's its own
1:11:13
phenotype of masculinity. Yeah, and unfortunately for the average woman, it's less
1:11:17
attractive, you know. Yeah, And and I don't think it helps anybody
1:11:25
to just persecute them for being seen as unattractive to women, persecute them for
1:11:30
having traits that generally make them less attractive to women, and then and then
1:11:38
say well and then and then to turn around and say, oh, the
1:11:42
toxic masculinity, which women do find more attractive, you know that that's uh,
1:11:48
it's just a mess, Like what, well, it's all it's it's
1:11:53
it's all masculinity at the end of the day. So they hate all of
1:11:56
it. They do. Like the thing is is that, let's say,
1:12:02
toxically according to feminists conjecture, toxically masculine men are already attractive to the average
1:12:12
woman, the normy woman. So feminists have to propagandize those women to disliking
1:12:17
those men. But this incell man, they don't have to propagandize them as
1:12:25
anything except dangerous, you know, like in terms of their ability to violently
1:12:31
outburst because they feel entitled to women's bodies. But they don't have to necessarily
1:12:36
convince women that they're unattractive because those women already find them unattractive. So there's
1:12:42
like an effort to problematize and pathologize men regardless of whether they are more of
1:12:48
like the you know, toxically masculine type or the inceell type, and on
1:12:54
all the men in between that are just sort of normal men. They problematize
1:12:59
all of them. They just have different propaganda to do it. And in
1:13:01
terms of the what women actually are attracted to. Half of that or at
1:13:06
least like a significant number of those men are already out of you know,
1:13:11
they're already invisible to them. They're already not people. Right, that would
1:13:14
be like the below, the below whatever their idea of average is, which
1:13:18
is like the majority of men. So it's left of the top men,
1:13:24
and the top men they're being told are bad for them, so, you
1:13:27
know whatever. Anyway, like I said, it's a pretzel but something.
1:13:30
Yeah, but it's it's it's the keep women from wanting to get with men,
1:13:34
period. Like there's just a number of things got work at once.
1:13:39
Yeah. But I just when you were talking about that, I was just
1:13:44
imagining that meme of the white men and the black men shaking hands. You
1:13:48
know that the arm Oh you mean the predator handshake meme. That's yeah,
1:13:53
yeah, Carl Weathers and Schwarzenegger. Yeah, what insuls and chads could achieve
1:13:57
together? Horses? Yeah, yeah, Okay, all right, but anyway,
1:14:03
I got a super chow this time finally from the one good Man.
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Yes, and he says, the one good Man says for five bucks,
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great guest suggestions. Have you ever had the advocate on no but i'd like
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to, That's all I'll say. I'd like to, but I don't know
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if she would be willing to come on our show. But yes, I
1:14:25
know who that is and I've watched some of her content. All right,
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what else? What else? What else? What else? Someone asked in
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the chat, how how can I send a super chow? I think this
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is like somebody that's so Yeah, you should tell them. You go to
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feed, you have to, you have to give this. Put this.
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There's a link in the description. Yeah, there's a link in the description.
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But you can also do this. You can go to www. Dot
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feed the Badger dot com slash just the tip, so it's all one where
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no space is just the tip okay, and it's also in the low bar
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if you want. But I know that it can be hard to navigate to
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the low bar if you're watching us through shorts, So once again, feed
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the Badger dot com slash. There's something weird that YouTube does too, where
1:15:06
it's hard to get to the low bar. Now while there's a livestream going.
1:15:11
I don't know why, but they hit it. So yeah, they've
1:15:15
been doing a lot of weird. So we used to be able to send
1:15:16
people like just have a link during the live stream, but you can't do
1:15:19
that now anymore. So it's a little frustrating, but again it's it is
1:15:24
feed the Badger dot com slash just the tip. Just put that help help
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help them out chat put put the uh describe it for them in the in
1:15:32
the description without actually putting a link in. Make that a busy you can't
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do that. You can do that, yeah, because it does help us
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a lot to go through feed the Badger dot com for for funding, and
1:15:45
it also you can get you can you can you can dazzle us or perplex
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us or concern us with a lot more text when you go there too.
1:15:54
And it also doesn't go through YouTube, and they're very I don't know,
1:15:59
like sometimes you is just I don't know things trigger YouTube and I don't know
1:16:02
what it is. But the AI is the AI. Yeah yeah, okay,
1:16:09
all right, so back to this. Uh yeah, so do you
1:16:13
want a separate question asked about the Oh you already read that part comparing the
1:16:18
in cells you want you want to do it? Yeah? I was thinking,
1:16:21
can I do it? Yeah? I would like to Okay, comparing
1:16:25
in cells self reported and diagnosed mental illness with that of the general population.
1:16:29
To compare self report of mental health among in cells in the study against a
1:16:32
base rate of mental health self report among adults, we use data from a
1:16:36
representative survey of about sixty thousand American adults commissioned by the Center for Disease Control
1:16:43
CDC and collected at about the same time during the pandemic as in cell data
1:16:46
in this study, winter of twenty twenty. The study used a seven item
1:16:53
measure of anxiety, Generalized Anxiety Disorder Questionnaire, and a ten item measure of
1:16:58
depression. I'm just going to bamp forward here. From the CDC survey of
1:17:03
US adults, the rate of self reported depression was twenty eight point four and
1:17:08
the rate of self reported anxiety was thirty five point eight, both markedly lower
1:17:13
than the rates among insuls in this study. Ninety five percent for self deported
1:17:17
depression among in cells and ninety four percent for self reported anxiety. Data from
1:17:24
a representative national survey of about thirty nine thousand American adults were used as a
1:17:29
base rate against which to compare the rates of history of diagnosed depression among in
1:17:32
cells in this study. Twenty eight point eight twenty point eight reported a history
1:17:38
of diagnosis of depression. That's in the general general population. This was markedly
1:17:44
lower than the thirty seven percent reported by the insuls in the study. So
1:17:47
twenty percent twenty point eight percent of the general population reports a diagnos diagnoses of
1:17:54
depression. Thirty seven percent of in cells in the study reported diagnoses of depression.
1:18:00
Data from a representative national survey of about nine thousand American adults were used
1:18:04
as a base rate against which to compare rates of diagnosed anxiety disorders. So
1:18:11
among the general population of US adults, twenty eight point eight percent reported a
1:18:16
history of diagnosis of anxiety disorder think this This was lower than the thirty seven
1:18:24
percent rate reported by the insuls in this study. So twenty eight point eight
1:18:29
percent of US adults in the nationally representative study reported a history of a diagnosis
1:18:34
of anxiety. Thirty seven percent reported a history of in cells reported being diagnosed
1:18:42
with anxiety. So in cells have a much higher rate of anxiety and a
1:18:46
much higher rate of depression. According to the CDC, rates of self reported
1:18:51
a diagnosed autism in US adults are not available due to a lack of existing
1:18:56
surveillance systems to monitor the prevalence. However, a study estimated rates of autistic
1:19:02
spectrum disorder among US adults based on existing state based data for children and by
1:19:08
adjusting for higher mortality rates among persons with autism spectrum disorder. According to this
1:19:15
estimate, approximately three point six percent of male adults in the US suffer from
1:19:19
autism spectrum disorder. This is in contrast to the rate of diagnosed autism spectrum
1:19:27
disorder in the sample of in cells in this study eighteen percent. So in
1:19:31
the general population, it's estimated that three point six percent of mail adults suffer
1:19:36
from autism in this study eighteen percent, and this is diet six times six
1:19:43
times almost Rates of undiagnosed undiagnosed autism spectrum disorder have been found to be about
1:19:51
twenty five percent higher than the rate of diagnosed autism. Together with the estimate
1:19:57
of diagnosed autism, this projects projects to the total about seven percent in the
1:20:02
general population suffering from both diagnosed and undiagnosed autism, So people who self diagnosed
1:20:09
plus people who are diagnosed with autism in the general population is estimated at seven
1:20:14
percent, so still way lower. This This was also lower than the rate
1:20:18
of self reported autistic systems at seventy four percent in So this is also lower
1:20:28
than the rate of self deported in in cells. So from what I'm reading,
1:20:31
seven percent of the general population suffers from both diagnosed and undiagnosed autism spectrum
1:20:39
disorder, seventy four percent of the in cell population suffers from self reported autism
1:20:46
spectrum disorder, and eighteen an additional eighteen percent from diagnosed. So we're looking
1:20:54
at let's see ninety two percent in total. So hi high rates of autism
1:21:00
among in cells. Okay, Yeah, it's almost like they're probably they're probably
1:21:09
of the general population there would they are probably a significant number of the people
1:21:14
that are autistic in the general population. So we're getting sort of a real
1:21:17
strong picture of what what in cells, what what insults are dealing with.
1:21:24
Autism has social uh, social deficits, so problems with reading social cues and
1:21:32
that kind of stuff. Depression and anxiety suggests more neuroticism, more emotionality.
1:21:38
So we're we're hitting right in the the area that we when we went through
1:21:44
that list of women would be termed the ick right, yeah, all right,
1:21:51
so shall I continue? You want you want me? Okay, we're
1:21:55
looking at figures. Now do you want to look at the figures? So
1:21:59
this is basically just for Yeah, this is just graphs for this. So
1:22:02
self reported diagnosed depression, anxiety asd amongst in cells versus US adults. So
1:22:08
the orange bar is the general population, the blue bars in cells. As
1:22:12
you can see, self reported depression way up here, self reported anxiety,
1:22:16
self reported autism, and you compare that to the general population, and there
1:22:21
you go. By the way, women are also dealing with a lot of
1:22:26
depression, and they're you know, I think some crazy percentage of women are
1:22:31
on different medications to like address that. But we have an outpouring of sympathy
1:22:40
for that. We want to take care of them, we want to fund
1:22:42
it, we want to talk about it, we want to help them.
1:22:45
But I guess when men do and they give women the ick, they end
1:22:49
up in the in cell box. Although again I think that this study is
1:22:54
not I think they're really being or attempting to be very fair. So this
1:22:58
is a really criticism of it. Yeah. No, no, Also I
1:23:02
would say that when women have needs, it doesn't compromise their attractiveness. Yeah,
1:23:08
and in fact, it can enhance it, which is why I think
1:23:11
a lot of women give the impression of being a hot mess, because yeah,
1:23:16
itself seems to be a try. I'm such a train wreck. Oh
1:23:20
my god, what what is the thing to do? Yeah? Yeah,
1:23:25
like Harley Quinn is so mean? Is that so me? Guys? It
1:23:30
does like being a woman who needs to be saved is attracted. For sure,
1:23:39
it's an effect. And unfortunately the case is not for men. It's
1:23:43
not the same. And uh, I don't know, we're not We're not
1:23:49
in an era where these kinds of disconnects between between men and women are are
1:23:55
being a sit like we're trying to get the people over them, like and
1:23:59
through come and get men and women together. We're in an era where we're
1:24:02
doing the exact opposite, which is exasperating, exasperating. Well, it is
1:24:06
exasperating, but it's also exacerbating everything. Okay, I think we should go
1:24:13
into the psychotherapy. So I think that's all right, the psychotherapy use and
1:24:18
effectiveness it actually, you know what, let's let's save that for last,
1:24:24
because I think that that is an interesting place to sort of build too.
1:24:29
What what actually helps the situation for Oh yeah, so let's save that section
1:24:34
for last and skip it and go to insult ideology, radical, radical attitude,
1:24:39
and radical intentions. Okay, I'll do this one, sure, all
1:24:44
right. Questions about the black pill included the following five statements, with respondents
1:24:49
asked to answer whether they agree with them in a yes or no format.
1:24:54
Do you believe in the black pill? Black pill is objective, black pill
1:24:58
is true, black pill is comforting, blackpill is refreshing. With yes coded
1:25:01
as one and no coded as zero, These variables were analyzed together as a
1:25:08
scale. The five item scale had adequate reliability Kroneboches alpha equals point eight zero.
1:25:15
The five items were added to comprise a measure of endorsement of the black
1:25:19
pill ideology. The resulting variable black pill endorsement had a minimum of one and
1:25:25
a maximum of five. Another set of questions assessed beliefs about the necessity conditions
1:25:30
to qualify as part of the in cell community. In order for someone to
1:25:34
claim they are an in cell, they must be dot dot dot. These
1:25:39
questions were scored true or false and included the following mail. Heterosexual over eighteen
1:25:45
A virgin physically unattractive not have kissed another person for at least a certain number
1:25:49
of time or amount of time example six months, have not had sex in
1:25:54
at least some time example six months, be an outcast of society, a
1:25:58
sufferer, and believe in the black pill, with true being coded as one
1:26:02
and false coded as zero. These nine variables were analyzed as a scale Chromebox's
1:26:09
alpha equals eight point three and added to comprise a measure of entry costs into
1:26:15
the in cell community. The resulting variable high entry costs, had a minimum
1:26:18
of one and a maximum of nine. So there, I mean, they're
1:26:21
going through the thing. But I think I should we should like know what
1:26:26
the questions are so we get a nice sense of how they came up with
1:26:30
their numbers. Three questions scored on a five point like scale, with one
1:26:34
being nigh all and five being very much. Asked about attitudes towards in cell
1:26:39
violence questions like or statements like I admire Elliott Roger for his Santa Barbara attack,
1:26:45
I admire Alec Manassian for his Toronto attack, I admire Chris Harper Messer
1:26:50
for his Portland attack. Additionally, three questions assess radicalization in intention by asking
1:26:57
about willingness to act violently. These were also scored on a five point like
1:27:01
Oer scale. With one being not at all and five being very much.
1:27:06
And these were some of the example questions or statements. I would rape if
1:27:11
I could get away with it had a mean of one point seven to eight,
1:27:15
So not super popular. It seems like it's on the lower end.
1:27:17
I sometimes entertain thoughts of violence had a mean of two point four. How
1:27:23
dangerous do you believe yourself to be? Specifically as a result of being an
1:27:27
inceell had a mean of one point six y seven. In order to better
1:27:31
understand the relationship between in cell ideology, radical attitudes, and radical intentions among
1:27:38
in cells, the following items were factor analyzed. Blackpill endorsement, high entry
1:27:43
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1:27:50
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1:31:02
Additionally, I read that petn already okay. So factor analysis using principal
1:31:08
component analysis with oblomen rotation produced a solution in three iterations with two what a
1:31:15
eigenvalues greater than one. The two obtained factors were only slightly correlated. One
1:31:20
factor contained the two questions assessing in cell ideology, black pill indoors, and
1:31:27
high entry costs. The second factor contained the six questions assessing radical attitudes and
1:31:32
intentions. No item loaded on both factors with a loading greater than point two
1:31:39
zero. With the factors nearly separated, neatly separated and factor content easily interpretable,
1:31:45
an average of the two items in factor one was computed to produce a
1:31:49
measure of ideological commitment. The two item scale ideology had a Kronback alpha point
1:31:57
eight one. All right, all right, yeah, listen. Notably,
1:32:00
the distribution of individual scores on these two variables, ideology and radicalization shows a
1:32:04
different pattern. Ideology is largely normally distributed and slightly skewed to the right,
1:32:10
with most in cells responses clustering around the midpoint of the five point scale and
1:32:15
seventy percent scoring above the midpoint. In other words, most in cells in
1:32:18
the study were moderate to extreme in their ideology. By contrast, radicalization is
1:32:25
skewed to the left, with seventy nine percent of in cell scoring below the
1:32:29
scale's midpoint. In other words, most in cells in this study rejected radical
1:32:33
attitudes and radical intentions and only a small minority endorse them. Figure three depicts
1:32:39
the contrast between intel endorsement of ideology versus their endorsement of radical attitudes and intention
1:32:44
And here is the figure. So this is the ideology, and they're saying
1:32:49
that they kind of go a little bit further to the right. Here again
1:32:54
we're talking about like what does it mean to be an in cell? These
1:32:57
kinds of qualifiers, how do you believe in the black pill? And so
1:33:01
that just means that they agree with with what it means to be an insul
1:33:06
Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm saying. Like it's it's not really that
1:33:10
bad, Like it's just them saying yes, this is true, right,
1:33:14
this is what it is. This is what defines an insult. Why I
1:33:16
agree, Yeah, we all agree that that's what this defines. Yes,
1:33:20
they're slightly in agreement that they all, you know, mostly what defines rights
1:33:27
and again be more even more to the right, you know, because well
1:33:31
it's not just definitional right, that's what I'm saying. This isn't is not
1:33:35
an ought, and and it's not like it's like, you know, like
1:33:41
a I don't know, like a school of thought or a movement. It's
1:33:45
not that, right, It's simply men talking about their situation and they're having
1:33:53
mostly the same experience with some deviation. That's all. So now radicalization is
1:33:59
probably a bit more in ideological and as you can see, very few like
1:34:05
it's more way on this end, which is the just it just seems like
1:34:10
a really sinister way to say, well, how do you define inseell?
1:34:13
Well, most people define in cell in this way like yeah, the insul
1:34:16
ideology. It's like, well, you know, this is just do you
1:34:20
agree with this definition of what it is to be an insul? The dictionary
1:34:25
is not an ideological document Jesus Christ, and I'm not I'm not. I'm
1:34:30
not like super calling these particular researchers out because you know, bless their hearts,
1:34:35
they're trying. But seriously, you're you're you're turning an issue of how
1:34:41
how a word is defined into an ideology. Yeah. There's a lot of
1:34:46
baggage there. Yeah yeah, okay, all right, So, uh do
1:34:53
you to summarize factor analysis and cover two separate factors, one containing variables focused
1:34:58
on insul ideology, the other containing variables focused on racial radical radical attitudes and
1:35:02
intentions. The two factors were not strongly correlated, suggesting that the insul ideology
1:35:08
does not predict radical attitudes or radical intentions. Moreover, the distribution of responses
1:35:14
on the radicalization scale calculated using the factor analytic solution demonstrated that most in cells
1:35:20
reject radical attitudes and intentions. Okay, so let's interpret this a little.
1:35:25
So what they're saying is adherence to the insell ideology is basically believing that there's
1:35:32
a particular definition of what is an insul. So in order for someone to
1:35:36
truly complaim that they're an insul, they must be a male, heterosexual,
1:35:42
over eighteen year old, virgin, physically unattractive, not have kissed another person
1:35:45
for whatever length of time, not have had sex for some amount of time,
1:35:50
be an outcast of society, a sufferer, and believe in the blackpill.
1:35:54
Okay, so we have a definition, and if people agreed with the
1:36:00
definition, they were seen to be consistent with an in cell ideology. But
1:36:05
that being believing that an in cell was somebody who was a virgin, who
1:36:11
was a sufferer and an outcast and unattractive did not actually correlate very strongly with
1:36:18
any kind of radicalization, so with believing that you want to be violent,
1:36:24
or you want to be that Elliott Roger did nothing wrong or something like that,
1:36:28
that kind of stuff. So there wasn't consistent. So people, the
1:36:30
men in this could believe that they were an outcast, that they were physically
1:36:35
unattractive, and that they were suffering, but they did not believe that they
1:36:42
were then entitled to sex. Right there you go, I think that strong
1:36:46
I bet, I bet if you actually did all of this and tested for
1:36:50
how much they believe that an insul is defined by being a virgin, being
1:36:56
physically unattractive, being an outcast, suffering, how much much they agree with
1:37:00
that statement, and how much they agree with things like you know, I'm
1:37:05
entitled sex. If you made it that clear, you might find no connection.
1:37:10
So in other words, and again one data point renders a hypothesis false.
1:37:20
One data point, and this is a strong data point that in cells
1:37:26
don't actually have a sense of entitlement. They aren't radicalized. Like they're not
1:37:32
going around thinking, oh, I'm owed sex. They're actually just going around
1:37:36
feeling bad because they're unattractive. That's it. Yea. And when people say,
1:37:43
oh, in cells think they're entitled, they're actually demonizing in cells.
1:37:48
But and again one data point invalidates a hypothesis. You have to go back
1:37:54
to the drawing board with your hypothesis. In cells do not consider themselves entitled
1:38:00
to sex, period They are not radicalized. Unlikely that they're radicalized. They
1:38:05
don't conceal themselves entitled. Even if they believe that they are suffering. Okay,
1:38:13
they're not saying that suffering entitles me to anything. They're just saying I
1:38:18
am suffering. And people don't want to acknowledge the suffering of men. Therefore
1:38:27
they artificially conflate that with feeling entitled to sex to the worst thing, like
1:38:34
they artificially conflate that to basically being rapey, right, because they don't want
1:38:40
to deal with it. They want to handwave the whole thing. They don't
1:38:42
want to have to deal with the suffering of these men, so they say,
1:38:44
no, these guys are rapey, they're awful people. They deserve it.
1:38:47
Handwave, We don't have to care. That's what it's happening. That
1:38:50
is what they're doing by saying all of this, And right now it's looking
1:38:56
like this is really unfair that you're taking a group of men who don't actually
1:39:00
think they're safe. Suffering entitles them to pretty much anything, and you're saying,
1:39:05
oh, you're entitled just because you're expressing your suffering. And we're doing
1:39:10
that because their suffering gives us the ick and we want them to shut up,
1:39:13
go away. That's it. That's yeah, that's that's ultimately, this
1:39:15
is the dynamic behind all of this. Yeah. Okay, so every person
1:39:20
who says in cells is are entitled is actually a bully. Mm hmm.
1:39:28
So okay, sorry, I know you were trying to get in there.
1:39:31
No, I just I was just saying to be charitable to this study because
1:39:35
I think this study is good overall. I know, I know, I
1:39:40
know, but I'm pointing out that I think that they are probably in precise
1:39:46
in using the word ideology as one of their factors, Like when you talk
1:39:53
about in cell ideology, because I don't think it is an ideology, and
1:39:55
I think that, but I think it's described this way. I think it's
1:39:58
it's very com andly described this way, and lots of people is, you
1:40:02
know, especially like very prominent intellectual figures, even some of our favorites,
1:40:10
will use the term in cell intel ideology as though those things are a real
1:40:17
thing, and they're just not. It's it's just you know, somebody in
1:40:20
the chat said, essentially, what it is is they've always existed. It's
1:40:26
just guys who are having trouble with relationships. It's not rocket science. It's
1:40:30
just reality. And we live in a time now where that percentage of men,
1:40:36
that chunk of the population, whether they are experiencing, you know,
1:40:41
the stuff that the guys in the study are experiencing or not, they are
1:40:44
finding themselves alone and they are suffering, and that's all it is. And
1:40:48
it's just that. And you know, I think that we're like, I'm
1:40:53
glad this study exists, but I think it's starting a conversation that needs to
1:40:56
help your society that's very much defined by whether or not men are desirable to
1:41:00
women. Yeah, like like it's it's it is so much like socially desirably
1:41:08
desirable, sexually desirable. Like there's no real room for men to be just
1:41:13
simply out of the rat race when it comes to being attractive to women.
1:41:17
And it is a rat race. Like who went through the ICKX remember that?
1:41:21
Like they were crazy? It's ridiculous. It's Uh, if a man
1:41:26
is in any way a people, if he if he demonistrates that he's a
1:41:29
people, then he's an ick. It's like, what what the hell's wrong
1:41:31
with anyway? Uh? And and it's and this is a lot of pressure
1:41:36
to put on men. And there are some men who just you know,
1:41:41
are are a little bit that they struggle a bit to rise to that level,
1:41:45
and we don't help them by ostracizing them. Okay, So let's I'm
1:41:49
guessing you want to keep going, well, I mean, yeah, I
1:41:53
want to finish. So trauma and psychopathy versus ideology radicalization. So examine how
1:41:58
history of psycho logical trauma, bullying and persecution, and psychopathology relate to radicalization
1:42:04
and ideological commitment among in cells. We probably skipped to the end of this.
1:42:10
The analyzes showed doing to the discussion. Oh this part the analyzes,
1:42:15
okay, so they did the study. The analyzes showed a differential pattern of
1:42:18
correlations between ideology and radicalization and measures of bullying and persecution, as well as
1:42:25
mental health measures. Thus, a history of being bullied and diagnosed and it
1:42:30
diagnosed autism correlated significantly with radicalism but did not correlate with ideology. Conversely,
1:42:38
having been persecuted as an inceell and a diagnosis of anxiety were significant predictors of
1:42:44
ideology, but not of radicalization. Finally, while self reported depression and self
1:42:49
reported autistic traits correlated with both ideology and radicalization, self reported depression was a
1:42:56
better predictor of ideology than of radical isation, and self reported autism was a
1:43:01
better predictor of radicalization than of ideology. Hmmm, that's interesting. So it's
1:43:09
sort of pointing the finger at a bit at autism and bullying. Well,
1:43:15
if you combine bullying with autism, you might get radicalization because bullying a normal
1:43:21
I guess, like a person who's like mentally healthy. Maybe sometimes some bullying
1:43:26
is can be like a character building experience. Like we were just talking about
1:43:31
the body positivity movement and on a news show let me switch cameras really quick.
1:43:36
On the news show, I covered a story that showed that women It
1:43:45
was trying to make the case that love bombing is this like new kind of
1:43:48
abuse that women could get from their partners or from interested parties. And while
1:43:55
that's true, it left out some important things that I wanted to talk about,
1:43:59
which was how women love bomb other women or what I like to refer
1:44:04
to as yas lighting, where they tell women that everything that they do is
1:44:09
great and that they don't have to apply it as for anything, and that
1:44:12
they're always find the way they are and everybody's a ten et cetera, and
1:44:15
how that can be damaging because and that's what I think is going to happen.
1:44:19
I think you have we already have this happening. There are stories of
1:44:24
body positive women who are having heart attacks and they're getting sick at very young
1:44:30
ages, and they're dying and it's because they got yas lit into essentially a
1:44:35
grave and early grave. And I think that, like, while I'm not
1:44:40
necessarily saying, we have to bully people, I think that some reality checks
1:44:45
are necessary. So I think that if you are not autistic, but you're
1:44:49
being you know, you experience some bullying as a young man, it might
1:44:55
be a good thing because it might put you on a correct course to change
1:44:59
behavior that are harmful, if that's where that comes from, if that kind
1:45:03
of like negative reinforcement is used for that. But if you're autistic and you
1:45:09
don't know why someone is bullying you because you're not able to, I don't
1:45:13
know, maybe you can't discern that really well, you might like and especially
1:45:16
if it's really relentless and it's constant and it's coming from girls, because they
1:45:21
don't really say where the bullying comes from. But I imagine that in cells
1:45:26
who are you know, hurting and lonely are probably experiencing bullying from girls as
1:45:31
opposed to boys, because they bully for different reasons. And I think that
1:45:34
when girls bully, it can be a lot more ruthless because they're not pulling
1:45:41
their punches per se. And I think that I can have a significant effect.
1:45:45
So I do think I can see how there's a correlation, if that
1:45:47
makes sense. Yeah, yeah, And I mean really persecution and bullying shock.
1:45:55
It causes people to have a great deal of resentment, and some individuals
1:45:59
who also have maybe are like there's a they have a comorbidity with antisocial personality
1:46:04
disorder impulse control problems, may end up being violently radicalized. What a surprise,
1:46:12
you know, Ben, Enough dogs and you'll get a dog that bites
1:46:15
back. Yeah. Yeah, so like like an autistic victim of bullying is
1:46:21
basically like getting bullied and doesn't understand why, and he's made to feel hurt.
1:46:27
He doesn't like you know what I mean, that's what I would think.
1:46:30
I don't know. I'm not an autist, but we have lots of
1:46:31
autists watching, so maybe you guys know an autist. So yeah, So
1:46:38
anyway back to the discussion. So this is where they get their results for
1:46:44
the Yeah, uh, well you know I heard this. I heard this
1:46:47
joke. I think it's perfect. I'm gonna go back to this real quick.
1:46:51
It's about cats and dogs. Okay, cats are autistic. That's why
1:46:57
they're like, you know, kind of like cats are autistic and dogs have
1:47:02
down syndrome. That's the only you get it. That's it right there,
1:47:06
right, isn't it perfect? Cats are autistic dogs have Down syndrome. My
1:47:13
dog every day is the best day ever, right, Like every day is
1:47:17
his favorite day. I mean, let me know if you guys think that's
1:47:21
right. So is it true? Cats are autistic? Dogs have down syndrome?
1:47:26
Okay, So anyway discuss Okay, So this is the discussion. Yeah.
1:47:32
This study reports results from a survey completed by over three hundred self identified
1:47:36
in cells who were users of the insel dot co online forum. The questions
1:47:41
asked about mental health issues diagnosed and self reported depression, anxiety, and autism,
1:47:45
as well as history of mental health services utilization, history of bullying and
1:47:50
persecution, in cell ideology, black pill, and in cell community boundaries,
1:47:55
and radical attitudes and intentions in cell mental health. One of the studies findings
1:48:00
is the remarkably high rates of mental health problems observed among in cells in both
1:48:05
self report measures and on questions of diagnosed psychopathology. In cells reported troublingly high
1:48:11
rates of anxiety, depression, and autism spectrum disorders when compared with nationally representative
1:48:16
surveys of American adults. In cells were consistently higher on all these measures.
1:48:21
Moreover, those in cells who have received a formal diagnosis of psychopathology, rarely
1:48:27
have found relief through mental health services. This is also in contrast to the
1:48:31
majority of American adults who have used psychotherapy and found it helpful. This is
1:48:36
an intersection because I wanted to sort of go over it at the end.
1:48:40
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I finish Uh yeah, sure, go ahead,
1:48:45
let me finish the Let me finish this, okay. This is an
1:48:47
important finding that should be considered by security professionals and policymakers focused on the in
1:48:53
cell community. It suggests a potentially fruitful direction in creating off ramps that would
1:48:59
include in health focused mental health interventions with mental health providers aware of and trained
1:49:03
to respond to in cells psychological needs. Perhaps related to mental health issues among
1:49:11
in cells is a high rate of reported history of bullying and persecution. Eighty
1:49:15
six percent of those surveyed reported having been bullied and thirty seven percent reported having
1:49:21
been persecuted for their in cell identity. If replicated by future studies, this
1:49:27
finding opens a possibility for early interventions by school psychologists social workers with bullying incidents
1:49:33
as indicators to help identify individuals at risk. These results paint a troubling picture
1:49:40
of a population in distress yet with seemingly little help. It is possible that
1:49:45
individuals afflicted with mental health problems or are bullied and ostracized through their formative years,
1:49:49
are more likely to be drawn to the Intel online community, where they
1:49:54
might feel accepted. At the same time, it is possible that the Intel
1:49:57
online experiences alienating colored by hopeless rhetoric, exacerbate any existing mental health problems.
1:50:03
Longitudinal studies are needed to assess these hypotheses. What is clear from our data
1:50:10
is that in cells are in dire need of psychological health. Hmmm, well,
1:50:15
I'll talk about that once we get through the last bit here, all
1:50:18
right, in cell last, we still have plenty to go, guys.
1:50:21
So so buckle in. No, they're going to stay. I think they're
1:50:25
going to stay, all right. Inst word, I don't know. I
1:50:29
don't think that's as strong as people think. In cell ideology and radicalization,
1:50:33
one of the study goals was to elucidate the relationship between in cell ideology and
1:50:39
radical attitudes and intentions. A factor analysis reveal that ideology and radicalism were two
1:50:45
separate factors among in cells that were not highly correlated. In other words,
1:50:48
subscribing to in cell ideology was not a good predictor of radical attitudes or intentions,
1:50:55
and vice versa. This is consistent with research of other radical groups that
1:50:59
show that radical ideas are typically not good predictors of radical action. Yeah,
1:51:04
because being a in cell is the one thing that people It's the one movement
1:51:06
nobody wants to be a member of. What is more, while ideology was
1:51:11
normally distributed in this study sample of in cells, most participants falling somewhere in
1:51:15
the middle of the Liquord scale of endorsing beliefs, radical intention showed skewed a
1:51:20
skewed pattern, with only a small minority of participants endorsing them. This echoes
1:51:26
existing research on Intel online activity that found that a small, vocal subset of
1:51:30
the larger group of users were responsible for most activity and posted most hateful content.
1:51:36
As in the studies of Intel online activity, most participants in our study
1:51:41
rejected radical attitudes and radical intentions. This was also true of those participants who
1:51:46
strongly endorsed in cell ideology. Interestingly, we observed Yeah, Interestingly, we
1:51:54
observed a different pattern of correlations between in cell ideology and radicalism. Thus,
1:52:00
individuals who scored high on in cell ideology but not on radicalization, reported more
1:52:05
history of persecution for their in cel identity and a history of clinically diagnosed anxiety.
1:52:12
They also tended to self report more depression. On the other hand,
1:52:16
those who scored high on radicalization but not on ideology or more likely to report
1:52:21
a history of bullying and a formal diagnosis of autism. This pattern suggests that
1:52:27
the small subset of in cells who do embrace radical ideas and nourish radical intentions
1:52:32
are qualitatively different from the non radical majority. Specifically, radicalized in cells are
1:52:40
more likely to be on the neurodivergent spectrum and more likely to have been bullied
1:52:45
than non radicalized. So what's correlation versus causation here? Is it possible that
1:52:50
it's the bullying that's doing the radicalization and neurodivergent in culs are more likely to
1:52:57
be bullied? I think so, yeah, yeah, I think that might
1:53:00
be the correlation. So it may not just I mean, if you have
1:53:02
a nonnarrative, a neurodivergent individual who wasn't substantially bullied, would they necessarily be
1:53:10
radicalized? So they have to basically the longitudinal studies that they're suggesting would probably
1:53:15
disentangle this a bit. But that is one hell, Like, it's a
1:53:19
longitudinal study. We could start it now and we wouldn't be getting results for
1:53:24
twenty years, so it'll be a while. It'll be a while unless they
1:53:29
have a population that was asked the right kind of questions. So to untangle
1:53:33
these kinds of things that already exists, you know, and that can be
1:53:38
difficult to find. But yeah, yeah, so yeah, let's go into
1:53:42
implications because that's going to be interesting, all right, implications. An important
1:53:46
implication from these findings is that news stories about in cell violence, such as
1:53:51
Jake Davison, do not represent the larger in cell community, which tends to
1:53:57
be mostly peaceful, fiery. Sometimes because of how reclusive in cells tend to
1:54:02
be, the general public typically gains information about in cells only through news stories
1:54:09
about in cell killers, salient and frightening. These stories can color public perceptions
1:54:14
about the in cell community through availability heuristic, making them seem as a highly
1:54:19
violent and dangerous group. However, the findings from this study paint a very
1:54:24
different picture. Most in cells in this study rejected violence seventy nine percent,
1:54:29
Most reported a history of bullying and or persecution, most reported mental health struggles,
1:54:33
suffering from diagnosed and undiagnosed depression, anxiety, and autism spectrum disorders,
1:54:40
and finding little help from psychotherapy. Okay, so once again you could almost
1:54:45
consider this like a subcategory, a sort of a a phenotype of men who
1:54:56
are just somewhat different and aren't as aren't seen as as a true active like
1:55:00
so they have, like I said, higher conscientiousness, higher neuroticism, and
1:55:06
there isn't really anything that's helping them to encourage them to get the traits that
1:55:12
make women attractive, and they can't even talk about it without being labeled extremists
1:55:17
because for honestly, this is our society is it seems to be at a
1:55:23
in a war with the relationship between men and women. Like we we've literally
1:55:28
decided, hey, we hate, we hate, and any kind of easy
1:55:31
relationship between men and women, we're gonna make it as disturbed, as as
1:55:39
screwed up, as toxic as possible. And like the in cells, this
1:55:45
group of men is one of the victims of that because I think that in
1:55:50
past times there would be some kind of way of making these guys more more
1:56:00
attractive, you know, like presenting them as more attractive as partners. We
1:56:06
wouldn't be saying like that men are a bad choice as partners just because they're
1:56:11
men, which is what we're saying today. So these guys who are already
1:56:16
like, they're already, let's face it, they're already in the ick category
1:56:23
that women define, which is now becoming a legal category, which is disturbing
1:56:29
as hell. But they're already in the situation where women would regard them as
1:56:33
being less attractive because of these kind of more feminine characteristics and because of these
1:56:41
mental health needs. So they're already in that scenario. And then they're also
1:56:45
dealing with a society that's actively underselling or anti selling men as partners. So
1:56:51
it's like, yeah, we've constructed this mess, and nobody wants to take
1:56:56
responsibility for it. We just want to blame them by saying, well,
1:57:00
yeah, we screwed everything up, but if you think that you're entitled,
1:57:03
then you're the problem. And they don't even think they're entitled. We just
1:57:08
want to use that to dismiss them utterly. But go ahead. Sorry,
1:57:11
I sort of jumped on top of you. That's all right. I was
1:57:13
just going to say one thing I'd like to know, and I guess it's
1:57:15
not in the study. Is how many of these guys don't know who their
1:57:18
father is or it doesn't have an involved father. I'd be curious because I
1:57:23
think it's a factor. I think it's a factor. I think we're a
1:57:27
number of generations in after this whole like great, great society whatever. So
1:57:34
I don't know, it's funny that it never comes up, But I don't
1:57:38
know that they thought to ask the question. That's one of the things about
1:57:41
studies too, is that they may have really good intentions, but there may
1:57:45
be other variables that they're not considering that because they're just saying, oh,
1:57:48
they have they have serious mental health problems. It's like, yeah, but
1:57:51
why do they have that? Like where does that come from? What is
1:57:55
their childhood? What is their trauma? You know, because I'm sure that
1:57:58
there's something right, Like, I think that there's always been men who just
1:58:05
you know, never found a woman, either because they were excluded from the
1:58:09
gene pool unfortunate circumstances, or maybe they didn't want to and they basically just
1:58:14
died bachelor's. Of course this happens, right, But I think that if
1:58:19
it's looking like it's a bigger problem, and there are men we are we
1:58:25
are seeing like higher and higher, you know, rates of autistic diagnoses.
1:58:31
It could be because we didn't have the science. It could be because it's
1:58:34
happening more often. I don't really know. I don't think anyone really knows
1:58:38
the answer. But I think that we are raising generations of boys and not
1:58:46
properly equipping them for the world, and we are blaming them when they are
1:58:51
ill equipped, like because we haven't prepared them. And we're still doing that.
1:58:56
So I think that that is because they're here, so like they're here
1:59:00
now, we can't ignore them. We can't pretend like they're invisible because you
1:59:04
know, there could be some consequence to that, and and then when it
1:59:11
when there is or if there is something that happens, then we're just gonna
1:59:15
what blame all men again. I just don't I think that there needs to
1:59:18
be Like I think that's I think we're finding a pattern here. Yeah,
1:59:21
that's what's gonna be because we're not We're not right. We're not saying,
1:59:27
like, what are some things we could fix. The one group of people
1:59:31
that can figure out how to how to actually get women to take responsibility are
1:59:35
probably going to be the ones that lay the basis and the foundation for the
1:59:39
future. I'll be honest. Yeah, like there's no way, there's no
1:59:43
way out. Somebody has to figure out how to get women to start taking
1:59:47
responsibility for the society again. Otherwise, what I think what's going to happen
1:59:51
is we're going to import a civil war, or not a civil war,
1:59:55
We're going to import a war between two groups of women that are willing to
1:59:58
take responsibility for their perspective societies, and that is conservative Israeli women who are
2:00:03
willing to sacrifice for their society and conservative Muslim women who are willing to sacrifice
2:00:09
everything for their society. You notice that where we're we're rapidly importing their war
2:00:15
in into into our into our into our culture, and it's it's sort of
2:00:20
spreading because we don't have like Western women don't want to, they don't have
2:00:27
any desire or they're not inspired to sacrifice for anything. And if they're not
2:00:33
willing to put any effort into keeping our society, perpetuating it and maintaining it,
2:00:42
then it's it's not long for this world. It's going to go the
2:00:44
way of the Dodo. That's that's the final if you what women will not
2:00:47
take responsibility for does not perpetuate into the future full stop. And uh so
2:00:57
I just okay, but let's not well, yeah, I got into the
2:01:00
superchow. I got a super chow. So Richard Pierre gives us five dollars
2:01:06
and says, I'm curious as to where the in cell population falls on the
2:01:10
progressive stack with the list of forms of oppression that they have experience. Is
2:01:15
there a possibility that the social justice crowbably willing to emptily advocate for them or
2:01:20
not? I think you know the answer to that question. Yeah, answer,
2:01:24
They created them. They're one of the reasons why in cells exist.
2:01:28
That that they would say, it's collateral damage. That's what they would say.
2:01:32
All right, So anyway, the rest of this, right is it
2:01:39
this implications? No, not implications, just however, given given oh okay,
2:01:45
given these parameters, stigmatizing and further traumatizing this already vulnerable population, would
2:01:51
not see imprudent. Classifying in cells as terrorist group based on the action of
2:01:57
a tiny minority among them might do more damage than it would help protect.
2:02:00
The society. Instead, you guys had to do like a study for this,
2:02:04
how much money did you spend? Why do you just give it to
2:02:06
me? And I gotta just told you this. Instead p slash CVE Community
2:02:11
Preventing Encountering violent extremism and mental health professionals should seek to design interventions that would
2:02:16
address in cells's unique psychological needs, which may include yeah, which may include
2:02:24
social deficits, history of psychological trauma, and extreme isolation. Well, I
2:02:28
don't know, that's that's a start. Literally what we've been advocating. At
2:02:32
the same time, are go ahead? At the same time, how much
2:02:38
did this serve? Like, why just why aren't we part of Well?
2:02:42
I think I think that this could be I think this could be critiqued even
2:02:45
further. But let me finish this a little bit, okay. At the
2:02:47
same time, our data present evidence of a troubling minority of in cells who
2:02:51
embrace the most violent manifestations of the in cel subculture, glorifying in cel killers
2:02:56
and fantasizing about raping and inflicting violence themselves. We observe specific markers that characterize
2:03:01
this subpopulation, including a history of having been bullied and an autism spectrum diagnosis.
2:03:08
Although more researchers needed to establish these findings, reliability. They suggest a
2:03:13
fruitful direction for security practitioners and mental health professionals to identify in cells who demonstrate
2:03:18
these markers and tailor targeted interventions to curb their potential for radicalization. Okay,
2:03:26
I just want to point out these are probably the hostile sexists of the group.
2:03:30
There are also a significant number of hostile sexists among women, but nobody
2:03:34
wants to talk about them. Nobody, nobody wants to address them and the
2:03:40
damage that they could be doing to men's attitudes towards women. Let's be honest,
2:03:45
nobody wants to talk about that. But was there something more that you
2:03:49
wanted to say in terms of criticism, because I was like going and saying,
2:03:54
geez duh, like this, if in cells are a marginalized group that
2:04:00
are dealing with mental health issues, let's stop marginalizing them further and traumatizing them
2:04:05
further and actually help them. Like I don't know, I think we've been
2:04:12
saying this for how many years now? Yeah, So the issue is,
2:04:15
I don't The issue that they're not getting is that they think that there needs
2:04:21
to be some kind of therapeutic or mental health intervention. And this is a
2:04:28
problem because in cells and men in general do not trust therapy or psychological assistance,
2:04:36
and rightfully so they shouldn't, which segue is perfectly into going back to
2:04:44
the psychotherapy use and effectiveness section, and let's read that, because all right,
2:04:48
yeah, that was what that was the thing that was my additional critique,
2:04:54
so I wanted to stay for the end was just psychos what what we
2:04:59
should do? Yeah, psychotherapy and effectiveness? Okay. Participants were asked have
2:05:03
you tried therapy? One hundred and forty fifty one percent replied yes, while
2:05:09
one hundred and thirty four percent or one hundred and thirty four forty nine percent
2:05:12
said no. Keeping in mind that over ninety percent of the sample reported either
2:05:15
depression or anxiety, this means that only about fifty percent of in cells suffering
2:05:19
from mental health problems had resorted to therapy. Participants were also asked, if
2:05:26
you have tried therapy, how did it make you feel? Only six percent
2:05:30
reported that it made him feel better, forty seven percent reported no change,
2:05:34
and fifteen percent reported that therapy made them feel worse. By contrast, meta
2:05:40
analyzes of multiple large scale studies of psychotherapy if efficacy in adults have reported that
2:05:45
psychotherapy was more effective than no treatment for most patients. So they're saying,
2:05:48
oh, the in the meta analysis, Okay, depending on the duration of
2:05:55
treatment, between fifty percent and seventy five percent of patients reported positive changes as
2:06:00
a result of psychotherapy. Fig or two summarize the summarizes this. So this
2:06:03
is the chart. Okay, So yeah, this is really this is really,
2:06:10
this is really striking. So the first the first two sets of columns
2:06:16
is how many of the respective population has actually seen a therapist, So fifty
2:06:25
four percent of in cells have gone to therapists, twenty percent of the regular
2:06:30
population. And the second column is how many felt like they were helped by
2:06:34
psychotherapy. Only six percent of in cels felt like they were helped by psychotherapy,
2:06:42
whereas seventy five percent of the general population feels like it's helped by therapy.
2:06:46
So whatever's happening to in cells, therapy is not helping them, at
2:06:51
least according to them, and I would honestly so the final paragraph there is
2:06:57
and I'll read it. While in cells are much more likely to suffer from
2:07:00
psychological problems such as depression, anxiety, and autism spectrum disorders than average American
2:07:05
adults, they are far less likely to seek psychotherapy and far less likely to
2:07:10
find relief through psychotherapy than an average adult. Now, let's assume that the
2:07:17
therapy is the problem, that the treatment is the problem and not the patient.
2:07:24
So psychotherapy isn't actually helping in cels, and we need to look at
2:07:29
why, and we need to What we need is actual research into what potentially
2:07:35
could help in cels. So we need more research into the factors that they're
2:07:41
dealing with, the mental health factors that they're dealing with, the personal social
2:07:44
issues that they're dealing with, And we need more research into what they feel
2:07:48
has helped them to improve their attitude, what they feel is encouragement in their
2:07:55
lives. So we need a lot more research into them as people, recognizing
2:08:00
that, you know, regardless of how attractive they are to the opposite sex,
2:08:03
they are still people, and people deserve to our help, and they
2:08:09
deserve our interest, and they deserve And this is what occurs to me why
2:08:15
psychotherapy isn't helping. Psychotherapy is further isolating. So you you go into a
2:08:22
little brick room or a little room with another person who examines you like a
2:08:28
specimen. I mean I no, no, it's not usually it's not that
2:08:31
bad, but the trappings are very isolating because you have to recognize that you
2:08:35
are you are separate from people, that you have some kind of disease,
2:08:39
that this person is going to be helping you with, et cetera, et
2:08:43
cetera, And it can be really isolating for somebody to go through that process.
2:08:50
So, and we don't really have a sympathy for men who may not
2:08:56
be naturally as inclined to want to feel like they're a patient like women.
2:09:01
For whatever reason, they feel more comfortable with patiency. They feel more comfortable
2:09:07
with, you know, being in sort of a helpless position where they're where
2:09:13
they're being assisted or or helped. Men have more trouble and if in cells
2:09:20
are already dealing with sort of a what I would say and correct me if
2:09:24
I'm wrong, But it seems like maybe a tenuous relationship to their sense of
2:09:30
themselves as men, Like so they maybe don't feel like they're as attractive as
2:09:35
men or as masculine as men. It may make it worse to force this
2:09:41
inflict this patiency on them, you know what I mean, Brian, It
2:09:45
may make that feeling worse. So when they go to therapy, they're made
2:09:48
to feel even worse. So incorporating that and trying to figure out an intervention
2:09:56
that avoids exacerbation that feeling of helplessness and patiency might be very beneficial. The
2:10:05
other thing is is that treating this like an illness in the individual, like
2:10:09
putting it all on the individual, that's a lot of weight when I'm looking
2:10:15
at this and this seems like it is it is a perfect storm constructed by
2:10:18
a whole bunch of political, social, and financial factors that are outside of
2:10:24
the individual's control. And so isolating in Cels and saying, well, we're
2:10:31
going to look at this through a mental health perspective in which all of these
2:10:35
problems that we have actually constructed for you are your fault, like that right
2:10:39
there, right there, like I was if I was in that situation,
2:10:43
that would piss me off, because a lot of these factors that in Culs
2:10:46
are dealing with are the fault of institutions in our society. Like we don't
2:10:52
need another goddamn campaign about how awful men are as partners for women. We
2:10:58
don't need other bear versus man meme viral meme, which is probably and we
2:11:03
don't need all this stuff we don't need more feminist rhetoric around. Oh,
2:11:09
men use rape and domestic violence in their relationships to create a sense of fear
2:11:13
in order to maintain the patriarchy. We don't need more of that. Like
2:11:16
this, the constructing this situation where the average man is seen as less and
2:11:20
less and less attractive. That's not on him, that's on all of this
2:11:24
other crap. And also the the financial system system in which all upward mobility
2:11:31
has now stopped. That is also not on the average in cell, you
2:11:35
know, And the fact that the in cells are going through a system in
2:11:39
which they don't get any assistance for their mental health issues because they're boys and
2:11:45
men, because they're last in line, even if the if the evening,
2:11:48
if they're allowed to be in the line for help, men and boys are
2:11:52
last in line, and then they're and then they're again blamed for that,
2:11:56
like the intervention should have happened well well well before for this, right.
2:12:01
So I mean there's all these these this perfect storm of social factors that we
2:12:05
are by making this a psychological issue, you're pushing on in cells. And
2:12:09
I know why they do this because they don't want Oh, we're gonna radicalize
2:12:13
them, we're gonna, we're gonna make them think that they have their right.
2:12:16
Well, they are right, they are right, They are right.
2:12:20
Women have incredibly high standards. They have these high standards because they want a
2:12:24
partner that will make their their their girlfriend's jealous. It's and and we we
2:12:31
have no way of controlling that behavior. So we allow women to do this,
2:12:35
not just to the detriment of relationships with men and men having relationships with
2:12:39
them, but to their own detriment because you're what you're gonna be like fifty
2:12:45
sixty and you're still doing these these shitty competition games with other women, like
2:12:50
you haven't built anything because everything is about making your girlfriends jealous, which you
2:12:54
know your girlfriends change every six months. Anyways, who cares like like this
2:12:58
is not this is not healthy. We are not a healthy, serious society
2:13:03
and we're not acting like that. And I'll and these guys in many ways
2:13:07
are a victim of that. And we can acknowledge that and then start to
2:13:11
look at it in terms of, well, how do we overcome this,
2:13:16
how do we overcome this nonsense? And it occurs to me, like with
2:13:20
looking back in past, there is a lot of benefit that in cells specifically
2:13:26
have brought to civilization if we want to look at not necessarily in cells as
2:13:35
the current identity, but this idea of this phenotype of men who are less
2:13:39
attractive to women, so they are sort of pushed out of that kind of
2:13:45
rat race into a different kind of thought sphere or a social sphere. Now,
2:13:52
who are the people who are the groups of people that this describes,
2:13:56
Well, I will tell you the guys who founded Rome. They were marginal
2:14:05
men who were sort of cast off from society at the time. So I
2:14:11
mean, pretty impressive, pretty impressive CV to those guys, you know,
2:14:16
bunch of sexually frustrated men who had no access to women. I mean,
2:14:20
the big thing that they did was they went and they stole a bunch of
2:14:22
women. We don't want to do that, but you know, I'm just
2:14:24
pointing that out. And then also we have the Disciples of Christ, you
2:14:30
know, pretty important too, you know. And then moving into the Middle
2:14:33
Ages, we have entire enclaves of what we would term in cells who constructed
2:14:39
the basis for the scientific revolution, which then constructed the foundation of the industrial
2:14:48
revolution that brought us to where we are now. Like these are pretty significant
2:14:52
social revolutions. So the idea that this phenotype of man who is sort of
2:14:58
almost selected against doing all the things that women do, just being sort of
2:15:03
a rock and like a you know, selected against in the mating sphere as
2:15:11
like a useless or a dangerous Are you kidding? Maybe we should take a
2:15:16
moment to thank the in cells for the modern world because like, again,
2:15:24
a lot of the stuff that we take for granted came from monasteries, from
2:15:28
guys who were just whittling around, dealing with herbalism, dealing with genetics,
2:15:33
dealing with creating our new new forms of agriculture, Like science comes from them,
2:15:39
you know, and like this is a very valuable activity. And maybe
2:15:45
guys who aren't dealing with the pressures of and it's not even just being in
2:15:48
a relationship with a woman, it's being a father, it's taking care of
2:15:52
kids, you know, it's doing this kind of stuff that can take a
2:15:56
lot out of you know, a guy's ability to focus on the creative,
2:16:01
focus on the innovative, focus on developing ways of using cooperation with other men
2:16:07
to benefit the community. Right, So, I mean, maybe this phenotype
2:16:11
of men has a very very huge value and a great deal to contribute to
2:16:16
the human race. And instead of saying, hey, you're a problem because
2:16:20
women don't find you attractive, maybe it's more you have a different purpose and
2:16:26
that's not lesser than getting a woman, and maybe in pursuing that purpose or
2:16:31
finding it, you will get a woman. But maybe it's not really about
2:16:35
that. It's about recognizing that you have value regardless if you're desirable to women.
2:16:43
I mean, like again, maybe take a moment and think about all
2:16:46
of the men throughout history who have not been in relationships Isaac Newton Tesla,
2:16:54
you know, like think about all the men who have not been in relationships
2:16:58
with women and what they have contriveyed to the human race, you know,
2:17:01
and it's significant. And again, like in medieval society, we literally had
2:17:07
a place where men like this went and them working together laid the foundations for
2:17:16
a lot of stuff that we take for granted, you know. And so
2:17:20
stop looking at them at the in sell phenomenon as terrorists or victims, and
2:17:26
start recognizing that we are once again in a society that wastes entire groups of
2:17:33
people who are actually capable and have the potential to tremendously benefit society and we're
2:17:39
doing so, and I think part of the reason why we're doing this is
2:17:43
because, in a way, we're afraid. We're afraid of the innovations that
2:17:48
are made possible by this group of men who are focusing on maybe self focusing
2:17:54
on their intellectual, philosophical, religious, spiritual kind of pursuits. We're afraid
2:18:05
of what they can do. And it's not in terms of terrorism, but
2:18:09
it's in terms of really changing the structures that we exist. We're afraid of
2:18:13
their innovation because we're we're living in a very an ossifying society that is afraid
2:18:20
of risk and change. Anyway, That's what I wanted to say, Maybe
2:18:26
we instead of looking at in cels as somebody as a group of people that
2:18:28
needs to be helped, we need to look at them as a group of
2:18:31
people that are being wasted by the society, that have inherent potential that we're
2:18:37
not tapping, and maybe look at them as you know, hey, maybe
2:18:41
we should have thank and insul day. Okay, mm hmm, okay,
2:18:46
all right, so there we go. That's that. Those are my thoughts
2:18:50
on that. I'll let I'll let you give your thoughts there, Brian,
2:18:52
because I know you've not. No, it's okay. I think I said
2:18:56
what I wanted to say about it. I mean, I think there are
2:19:01
definitely like I know, a guy goes to my church and he's pretty spurgy
2:19:07
and you know, not really like doesn't deal well with you know, he's
2:19:11
probably on the spectrum. But he's also working on a PhD in chemistry,
2:19:16
so I'm sure that he's he's not he doesn't have anybody, but I you
2:19:22
know, so yeah, I mean I think there's evidence of that. But
2:19:26
yeah, at the end of the day, I just think that I'm grateful
2:19:30
that this study was pretty fair, and I hope that I'm surprised that it
2:19:33
was actually published and that like it, you know, it was allowed to
2:19:37
be seen by people, so it's a good sign. Yeah. I mean,
2:19:41
I think that the people who are doing this, they're trying to bring
2:19:46
some light to this and maybe open it up, so there's some air in
2:19:50
there. Well. Yeah, I mean, hopefully people realize that if you
2:19:54
want to address a problem, you have to correctly identify it. And I
2:19:58
think people know something thing is wrong and and they're not getting all the answers
2:20:03
and they're trying to find them. And you know, I'm I'm happy for
2:20:07
that. So yeah, that's it. Really, what I'm saying is that
2:20:11
I think maybe in cells, rather than therapy, they need a sense of
2:20:16
a purpose and a connection to the greater work. Well men's way, Yeah,
2:20:22
it's just men's way of healing. I think we're not doing We're just
2:20:24
we're making it into this woman's way of healing, and that is kind of
2:20:28
what the whole psychotherapy is set up as. And that's why I think men
2:20:31
generally are not interested. And I would bet they say that this is like
2:20:37
a general population study, this like you know, a US adult study.
2:20:41
I bet the majority of those people are women. They use it, So
2:20:46
I think so I'd be willing to bet a dollar on that men are gravitating
2:20:50
more towards like cognitive behavioral therapy, which tends or focus like men's sheds,
2:20:54
like building things with their hands, like you know whatever. Behavioral therapy tends
2:20:58
to focus or on the patient as an act actor in his or her own
2:21:03
life, so that you take responsibility for your thoughts and changing them and that
2:21:09
kind of thing. That's that that might be the kinds of therapies that appeal
2:21:11
to more to men. But again, like I think that this might actually
2:21:18
be very beneficial for women too. We need to start develop the developing therapies
2:21:22
that explicitly heal people's people's feeling that they are agents in their life, that
2:21:30
they have some control, not all control, because that can become its own
2:21:33
kind of weird like helpless addiction, like oh I can change everything, I
2:21:37
can do anything. Yeah, but correctly identifying what you can control and taking
2:21:43
mastery over it. We should have therapies that do that. And I think
2:21:46
that would appeal a lot more to men, but it also be a lot
2:21:48
help more helpful to women. Honestly, I think so too. I think
2:21:52
we should incorporate men's way of healing and see if it's helpful to women too.
2:21:58
That's it. Yeah, I think it would because when when you look
2:22:01
at psychological coping, men actually top the charts. They just cope with more
2:22:05
than women. I know. That's lots of women are like, oh my
2:22:09
god, I can't No. Men are actually coping with a lot more.
2:22:13
They're coping with more workplace death, They're coping with more issues as a result
2:22:18
of family breakup. You know, they lose more in that process. You
2:22:22
know, there's a lot men are coping with and when you just look at
2:22:26
just average everyday coping, men do it better. They tend to internalize less,
2:22:31
They tend to be able to see how to get out of a situation
2:22:37
or improve their behaviors to affect a better outcome. So I mean, they
2:22:39
have coping skills that would be very beneficial for women to learn. And honestly,
2:22:46
there's also coping skills that women have which might be beneficial for men to
2:22:50
learn too. But you know, strangely enough, you know there's a lot
2:22:56
that men and women can learn from each other, and we just seem to
2:22:58
be in a situation where we refuse to recognize that when it comes to men.
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