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Toilet Radio 505 – A Brief History of Alternative Rock · Radio Toilet ov Hell

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  You're listening to 66 point 6FF,
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  radio T0H,
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  the flush.
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  So right next to the record button on
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  Zoom is a button called Ai companion, and
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  I can't imagine ever needing to hit that
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  button. What what do you think it does
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  run?
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  I think it steals your soul.
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  We'll delve more into this on our next
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  episode specifically about Ai and heavy metal. But
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  for today, this is the
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  toyota Hell Radio show. I'm Joe. Of course,
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  always join by, Jordan. How are you doing
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  Jordan?
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  I'm good. How are you? Can't I complain.
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  We got we got things to do on
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  this episode.
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  We specifically, we're looking to do a little
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  bit more theme
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  theme work on these episodes. It's no longer,
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  you know, relying on whatever, whatever bullshit, bla
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  or mouth shits out so we can, you
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  know, chew on that for a few hours.
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  Instead we wanna provide a a special podcast
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  experience to each of you. So
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  by that token, What exactly are we doing
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  today, Jordan?
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  We watched a movie, a movie unknown to
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  us.
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  Just a random fine. It's on tub. It's
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  also on Youtube,
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  and
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  it's something I guess, close to what we
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  like, but not always something we discuss about
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  on the show and it's specifically nineties alternative
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  rock.
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  Yes.
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  Folks that have been around for a long
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  time. May remember that I did a series
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  for the Patreon. That would be patreon dot
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  com slash t of hell.
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  For additional,
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  exclusive content podcasts and playlist. I did a
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  series alone
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  on the on the show for, a book
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  probably my favorite book about music Ever written
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  called
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  Or band could be your life by Michael
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  Az, which is, it follows
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  all of these
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  late
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  eighties very early nineties bands that would go
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  on to
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  eventually sign to a major label even if
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  briefly,
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  their
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  their processes starting out in the middle of
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  nowhere building these D Diy networks making names
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  for themselves.
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  Bands like, butt hole surfer is big black
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  Sonic youth replacements,
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  who screwed you,
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  and then some some other ones as well
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  that are less fun.
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  And this this kind of tied in pretty
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  neatly with that. And
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  it's solidify solidified that I I guess, what
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  I really like is guitar based music from
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  the years of 19 87 to 19 95.
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  I would just extend that for myself to
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  like, early 2 thousands, but
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  it's just 1 of those things with alternative
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  nineties rock is
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  like, we probably would not be doing what
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  we do without it. Like I know we
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  don't talk about it all that much. We
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  did have that show a few weeks ago
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  where we played modern bands who have that
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  sound. But, like, for me, that was the
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  gateway into getting into more music expanding
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  what did I like beyond what was on
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  local radio or even Mtv and going out
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  into, like,
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  college radio station that are in the area
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  Just go to local shows and just kind
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  of really
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  experiencing
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  for the first time,
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  like, real independence as a a 14 year
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  old, a 15 year old learning that there's
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  this entire world of rock music out there.
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  And from there taking it into more metal
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  all and and different extremes, but none of
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  that would have happened without this type of
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  music, at least for may. Sure. And I
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  don't think, look, we're necessarily alone here. I
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  mean, like, we have a cast of characters
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  in this documentary
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  associated with hardcore and heavy metal it that,
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  you know, they're they're not there for nothing.
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  Yeah it's kind of this this weird little
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  funneling from, like, to the,
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  eighties into the nineties of hardcore scene metal
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  saint p scene going into, like, almost mainstream
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  rock.
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  And this really does
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  serve as as AAAA
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  great picture
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  of of period where, it looked like the
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  supremacy of the guitar and and culture would
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  reign in eternal. And, of course,
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  that... That did not really turn out to
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  it, Jordan.
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  It did for a couple years, and then
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  people realize there's no money in that. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Damn shame.
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  But, you know, there there are a ton
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  of bands covered here some that we've heard
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  of some that we've heard the names
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  some bands don't get a ton of
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  focus here, but they do have some decent
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  performances,
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  for example, there's
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  a bit with Sunny day real estate,
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  performing in circles live, a bit with,
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  F performing waiting room live, some good footage
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  in here overall, even if those bands themselves
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  are not necessarily focused on too much.
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  Guess was you're probably the name of the
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  movie and what this is. What what to
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  went doing it. What is it jordan?
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  We watched and again, this is on tub
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  and Youtube free
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  underground inc. And
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  you can find that more about this the
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  civil website up underground ink film dot com,
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  and here's the little story about it.
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  Underground Inc tells the story of the rise
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  in full of the alternative rock scene in
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  the wake of Nirvana success.
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  Starting with its roots in the Eighties underground
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  punk scene, witness the meteor rise to mainstream
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  dominance and how it all came crashing down
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  against the world of excess and greed.
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  This is a story of the music business
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  colliding with some of the most important and
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  overlooked musicians of the period.
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  Finally telling the story in their own words.
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  Directed by Sean Katz, underground ink explores the
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  compelling history of the last physical rock scene
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  in underground punk, and as a candid look
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  at what it takes to survive as an
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  artist and the music industry.
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  Featuring interviews with the range of musicians and
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  insiders from White Zombie, cleans the stone age
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  helmet clutch Fish bone red Banks, DLB and
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  more. Underground inc is a must see for
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  both musicians and music lovers.
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  Yeah.
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  This movie
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  says that it came out in 20 19,
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  and I'm not quite
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  sure exactly when some of this footage was
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  put together, but I would say it's probably
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  Least a decade earlier. Yeah. There is a
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  reference to Justin Bieber.
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  It was a around way that we... Yeah.
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  Sometimes do, like, what are you gonna do?
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  Play for justin in bieber, so I think
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  it's, you know,
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  between 5 and 10 years before this actually
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  came out. Well, there... There's also a at
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  some point, an industry insiders like, look, man,
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  You don't even need major label anymore like,
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  look at the success that bands, like the
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  arcade fire and Bonnie there having. It's like,
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  okay.
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  What it ear is this?
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  20 14.
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  No. Honestly, probably closer to 2008.
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  So
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  Anyway, that's that's a aside. That doesn't change
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  the fact that there's still lots of great
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  stuff here. We get lots of lots of
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  good content with Shawn Salt of white zombie,
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  of course.
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  Steve,
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  and,
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  really, I I enjoyed the presence of Dave
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  Wind quite a bit.
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  He was probably 1 of the best people
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  in this thing. For sure.
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  We have
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  fair amount of time with a derek Greene
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  of Ce,
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  don't sure why he's there, but it's it's
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  nice to see him regardless. Yeah. I think
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  for some of these interviews, people either were
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  just available.
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  Sheryl. I'll talk to you for a few
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  minutes, or it was, like, an interview for
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  something else and while you're here, let me
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  ask you a couple of questions about this
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  movie I'm making. That that makes a lot
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  more sense.
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  1 of my favorite things about this documentary
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  is when we're we're speaking with people
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  you know, they're set up in their their
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  their interview spots. Like, people have, you know,
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  a nice area in their home studio,
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  or at their office, They're in front of
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  plants in front of their records at books.
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  And then you have somebody, like Walter rifles
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  from quick sand or
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  rival schools who was just sitting in a
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  public park with, like, people around him and
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  wind blowing through his cameras our phone because
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  he could not give less of a shit
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  about this. Just some random women's sun behind
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  him in a park.
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  And that's why Walter sc is really cool
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  guy.
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  Well, what are we gotta do? Alright. Let's
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  go to the parker across the street.
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  That great stuff there. So we we cover
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  a lot of bands that we do know
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  about that we do like. I would say,
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  I I texted you, like, maybe,
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  30 minutes I know. I'm like, man, I
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  really like all the bands here and then
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  it kinda dropped dropped entirely out your that.
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  And I think my response to you was,
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  like, I... There's a reason why you've never
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  heard of some of these bands or, like,
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  why they never had success.
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  Yeah. So
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  we we we hear from a few people
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  here. 1 of the
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  1 of the guys we hear most from
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  is Matt Tech
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  of
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  dig
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  and Rollins band.
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  Are you familiar with Dig? Were you before
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  this? I know Rollins band. I don't know
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  Dig. I I didn't know Dig, and I
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  I went to this guy's disc dogs
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  to see what records he's played on. So
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  if he played on a a Rollins band
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  record, he was not credited on it. So
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  I guess maybe he was a live drummer
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  for a little bit. I'm make sure.
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  I would say that's that's padding your stats.
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  That's glory shit. It's like when a player
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  gets traded at the deadline right before playoffs
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  and like, yeah, They're technically a member of
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  the Saint Louis Blues, but they only played
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  like 20 games. Yeah. Yeah. It's a Mickey
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  Mouse ring. You didn't earn it.
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  Anyway, he's
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  he is kind of like, I think
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  when I picture the plato ideal of the
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  Gen x guy is what I see in
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  my head,
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  a little bit older.
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  Experienced a little bitter, but still funny about
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  it. Is funny.
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  You know, I'm eventually revealing that he was
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  completely strung out for, like, half a decade.
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  Yeah.
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  He's
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  chain smoking cigarettes and his his nice apartment
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  wearing a cowboy hat for reasons that are
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  not.
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  They're Gen x reasons, I guess. We we
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  wouldn't understand.
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  And, you know, he's he's talking about the
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  hard lessons he to learn on the road,
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  but at the opening of this documentary, he's
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  the voice of it where he's explaining
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  what was
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  Gru and... Or what was this alternative rock
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  movement? It was You know, man, like,
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  in the early
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  nineties, there was bush and, like, he
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  in he invaded a iraq. And there was
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  desert storm and, like, all of us were
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  like, what? No. That's not okay. And then
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  we all made music about it. And, you
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  know, every time that something like that happens,
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  you have
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  you have, like, this current of
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  alternative energy you're making music in really good.
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  And I gotta say, all of that is
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  horses shit. Mh. Yeah. When he was saying
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  that, I just started thinking,
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  like,
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  okay. Remember when
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  that idiot from the dresden dolls was like,
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  yeah. It's bad that Trump was elected it,
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  but this is a great time for punk
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  rock.
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  Amanda Palmer. Yeah. Would not know anything about
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  it a a good time for music at
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  the bidder on the s.
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  And I was thinking about the, like, the
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  w years. Like, you know, maybe that was
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  a good time, like, for, like, Metal core,
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  I guess, but because the thing. But like
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  it That's that's all fall. Everything about the
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  bush years was bad, like... And I...
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  I'm on record of owning all of the
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  the rock against bush compilation going to all
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  of that shit being into it. I can
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  recognize it was bad.
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  And we can even think further back about
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  the bands at the punk bands and hard
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  rock bands and the hardcore bands of the
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  eighties that live through the Reagan years
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  are now like old men who are yelling
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  about staying off my property and, no. You
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  know, just doing big payday shows in their
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  seventies.
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  So what I'm saying trying to say here
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  is that, like,
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  if you think that your music is somehow
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  a reaction to whoever is holding the office
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  of presidency,
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  maybe reconsider, do something different. It's not gonna
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  work out. It's like a nice fantasy that
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  never really existed. Ever ever.
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  Thankfully. I think that was the only true,
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  like, you know,
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  you're absolutely talking out of your ass moment
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  I had with this with this documentary. How
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  about you? Yeah. I I think so.
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  You know, we... Later on, you do get
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  into discussions of, like, record labels
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  and An and r people, which is very
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  informative. I I think, you know, some of
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  it may be placed a little too much
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  blame on them and not, like, some bands
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  that had their own personal struggles or just
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  weren't very good to begin with. But, I
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  mean, overall, people were are honest about this.
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  Sure.
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  I I enjoyed...
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  I know the comrade that a lot of
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  these guys had that, you know, maybe decades
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  ago, they they had issues, but they seem
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  to, you know, get along pretty well now.
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  They're, you know, having fun
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  revisiting the old days.
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  But there's also another band.
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  And IIIII
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  think this was maybe the highlight of the
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  entire thing for me. And is is it
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  okay with you if we go ahead and
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  get into cop shoot cop
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  Yeah. I I guess we could explain that
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  this documentary
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  doesn't have, like, an overarching
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  story to it. It's not like,
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  This is where things started. This is where
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  things happen. This is where things ended up.
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  It's mostly just a
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  collection of interviews, making, like, similar points at
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  certain times, but it's not like,
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  an, the story of An where this is
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  where they started. Things were going good. Things
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  went bad and now we're here. Right. So
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  Right. So
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  it's more like a collection of specific bands
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  that get talked about with some general visualizations
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  kind of put in. Like, we talk there's
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  there's more influence and talk about bands like
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  helmet,
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  cops you cop,
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  handsome,
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  sometime with a failure,
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  ministry,
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  job box, a couple other ones, But 1
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  of the 1 that gets a fair amount
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  of attention it's cop shoot cop.
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  Cop shoot cop.
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  I
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  aside from seeing stickers for this band everywhere
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  in the nineties, I wasn't really familiar with
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  them. Were you?
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  I just knew the name, but Yeah. Listens
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  then prior to this. Yeah. It's cop shoot
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  cop and boys against girls. Like, I never
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  listened to either 1 of them, but for
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  some reason, I feel like those 2 were
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  everywhere together back in a day.
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  So, you know,
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  this was this was a lot of fun
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  for us.
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  Getting to learn the history of this band
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  absent in any context whatsoever.
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  We have 2 gentlemen from the band featured
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  in this documentary that are speaking to us.
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  We have...
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  Gosh, the guitar player. I can't remember his
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  name. It doesn't matter. He's a nice guy.
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  The wearing the melted rubik's cube,
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  t shirt. You sit... You me like, okay?
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  That was a good shirt. Yeah. Yeah. And
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  then,
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  I wanna say it's Jim Na, but that's
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  not Jim Jim.
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  That's that's a different guy. It's Jack.
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  Jack Nat not Jim Na.
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  Who was the base player of cop shoot
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  cop. And
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  when we were talking earlier about, you know,
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  choosing the setting of your interview space,
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  this is
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  all timer for me? Can you describe
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  his terrarium
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  As we've previously mentioned just about everyone in
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  this documentaries in a nice studio or in
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  an apartment or some nice space where you
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  can everything looks okay and they seem to
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  be some put together adult. And this guy
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  from Ka cop is in
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  what could tasteful describe as a possible crack
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  in? It's apartment room. I would generously
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  describe it as sq.
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  To put things in perspective, it's very much
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  his room that he's sitting in. And there's
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  windows behind them and they have the tasteful.
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  Bed sheets pinned up to the wall as
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  curtains.
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  He has, like,
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  empty gatorade bottle filled with some unknown substance
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  writing? So.
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  Could be Booze could be passed. Who knows?
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  Yeah. Who knows.
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  You
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  throughout, you can hear, like sirens and horns
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  going off outside the very thin window next
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  gen him
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  At 1 point he plays base, and he
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  gets still play, but and I'm pretty sure
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  it's the same base he's had for 30
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  years. That base is in bad shape. It
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  looks like it's covered in several inches of
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  cigarette smoke.
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  He himself is wearing what appears to be
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  a...
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  Suit vest, absent anything else.
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  And if you... They show like, old pictures
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  of the bands, he's wearing the vest in
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  those pictures. So I have to assume it's
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  same exact 1, just a a little bit
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  snug this time around. It
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  it's it's pretty dire to be honest with
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  you. And, like,
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  nothing in it... Nothing against, Jack Nat here.
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  He... He's a funny guy. He provides some
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  pretty good context for know, the history of
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  these bands and, you know, the the major
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  label,
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  insanity that went on at that time,
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  you
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  but
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  he also
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  has an air of bitterness to him that
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  everybody else is at least smart enough to
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  disguise.
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  Yeah. It seems like everyone else has at
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  least come to terms with, like, yeah. We're
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  on a major label for 6 months and
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  got hundreds of thousands of dollars and
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  drop or red blew it, But what are
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  you gonna do now? We're okay? We're still
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  making music or we're parents or whatever and
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  this guy? Just like, no.
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  No. This is all their fault.
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  And I love that. So,
• 17:44
  comp shoot cup,
• 17:46
  he provides some history of the band
• 17:49
  and that, you know,
• 17:50
  They they were they were... He's a he's
• 17:52
  a crazy boy. Right? He's he's wild. He's
• 17:55
  loose. He's he's a he's a loose cannon.
• 17:58
  And, you know, despite that, you know, they
• 18:00
  they managed to get a following.
• 18:02
  And, Jordan, what is it that they're they're
• 18:04
  at a bar, like, Mesa or something when
• 18:06
  they're approached by somebody?
• 18:08
  Yeah. They talk about throughout this
• 18:11
  documentary about
• 18:13
  labels
• 18:14
  starting to get interest in this type of
• 18:16
  music because nirvana anna blows up and sells
• 18:19
  4000000 records, and, you know, this is very
• 18:21
  true about the music industry. Even today to
• 18:24
  to somewhat of a lesser degree.
• 18:26
  Because I think now they're more, like, risk
• 18:28
  ave verse than ever and are spending their
• 18:30
  time buying up disco geographies and the rights
• 18:33
  to music, rather yeah focusing on new bands.
• 18:36
  But
• 18:37
  once something becomes, like a very obvious success,
• 18:40
  everyone else tries to get a piece of
• 18:42
  it in any way they can.
• 18:43
  So when nana nirvana gets success,
• 18:46
  these other labels want their own Nirvana,
• 18:49
  and without really understanding
• 18:51
  where the music's is coming from why it
• 18:53
  was assess, you know, how much something like
• 18:56
  smells like Teen spirit music video,
• 18:59
  help propel the band versus
• 19:01
  some of these other bands that
• 19:04
  Sounded it's somewhat similar, but not really or
• 19:07
  were at least popular in their own section.
• 19:10
  Mh. And these record label executives and An
• 19:13
  and r people
• 19:15
  started going to live shows to see some
• 19:17
  of these bands with buzz and then taking
• 19:18
  them out to fancy lunches.
• 19:21
  You know, promising them the world. You're gonna
• 19:23
  be the next Nirvana. We're gonna fly out
• 19:26
  here. You're gonna do a hundred thousand dollar
• 19:28
  music video all that
• 19:29
  And for cops cop, I believe it's inter
• 19:31
  scope records,
• 19:33
  woman in hands this guy, her cards and,
• 19:36
  like, No, yes. We love you. We want
• 19:38
  you to be the next big thing, and
• 19:40
  the sky just throws the card on the
• 19:42
  ground and doesn't tell his band.
• 19:45
  Until they're in the van traveling to the
• 19:47
  next show, like, a day or 2 later.
• 19:49
  And you know,
• 19:51
  Jack is like, you know, they're all like
• 19:53
  oh, I'm the I'm an asshole for doing
• 19:55
  that. Well, that woman was an asshole.
• 19:57
  Yeah.
• 19:58
  I didn't like her, so I threw it
• 20:00
  away.
• 20:02
  So,
• 20:04
  despite,
• 20:04
  you know, having AAA chance at the big
• 20:07
  time and scoring it, he... They do end
• 20:10
  up signed
• 20:11
  it's to the major label,
• 20:13
  and they get to the business of, wasting
• 20:15
  a ton of money on music videos.
• 20:18
  Did you see this music video that they
• 20:20
  made?
• 20:22
  I had not seen it ever until right
• 20:24
  now watching this documentary?
• 20:27
  Exactly. It they had
• 20:29
  a little person dress up as a band
• 20:32
  leader,
• 20:33
  lip syncing their song with
• 20:35
  a marching band behind them wearing, like, ill
• 20:38
  fitting costumes.
• 20:40
  And it's like, what he... This isn't the
• 20:42
  labels fault. Yeah. This is... The they had
• 20:45
  sounded like complete created control on this
• 20:48
  to have, you know, half a million dollars
• 20:51
  and go out to Mexico
• 20:53
  to film their concept of of what a
• 20:55
  a good music video would be.
• 21:00
  And that's on you, man. That's that's your
• 21:01
  that's your call.
• 21:03
  And then people didn't know
• 21:05
  what the ban was,
• 21:07
  you know, because there's no Internet, and there's
• 21:09
  just not a lot of coverage of them
• 21:10
  yet, so they assumed that was the actual
• 21:12
  band. Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:15
  Not not a great idea.
• 21:18
  I don't think
• 21:19
  I don't think they should have done that.
• 21:20
  Be honest with you. Not a Monday morning
• 21:22
  quarterback this,
• 21:23
  but I don't think they should have done
• 21:24
  that.
• 21:25
  And I went ahead and listened to a
• 21:27
  few of their songs.
• 21:29
  Even if they didn't do that video, even
• 21:31
  if, like, to their own admission, they didn't
• 21:33
  have some serious drug problems throughout the band,
• 21:35
  substance abuse issues.
• 21:37
  I still don't think they ever would have
• 21:39
  made it. No. I I'm on that. The
• 21:42
  music,
• 21:43
  especially for that time
• 21:45
  it, like, didn't have a hook.
• 21:48
  The vocals. Like, hey. A lot of people
• 21:50
  talked about the vocalist as, like, being this
• 21:52
  dynamic
• 21:53
  person.
• 21:54
  Like, creative lyrics and I don't hear and
• 21:57
  that. I did not hear a bit of
• 21:58
  that. Yeah. It just... Maybe it's through modern
• 22:01
  ears. Maybe from a different time, it sounded
• 22:03
  like something special. But for now, it just...
• 22:06
  It doesn't, like, come together for me to
• 22:09
  listen to him back man. If only they
• 22:12
  got this on K rock or if only
• 22:14
  they got this on Mtv, it would have
• 22:16
  been really huge. Just like, no, it's kinda
• 22:18
  weird and
• 22:19
  deserve to be on a hundred and 20
• 22:21
  minutes on, you know,
• 22:23
  Thursday night at 1 in the morning. Yep.
• 22:26
  So, I mean, that's... You did really well
• 22:29
  old things considered because you didn't really have
• 22:31
  the pieces to start with to make this
• 22:33
  work.
• 22:34
  And that's what a a lot of this
• 22:35
  documentary is about is right place right time.
• 22:39
  And for most of these bands,
• 22:42
  right place right time, but not the right
• 22:44
  fit. Right. And you could even look at
• 22:47
  other songs that did well at the same
• 22:49
  time and hear some of these bands but
• 22:51
  like, yeah. This is kinda cool, but it's
• 22:54
  not dish wall. It's not towed the wet
• 22:56
  sprocket. There's not
• 22:58
  something there that either radio stations or other
• 23:02
  people could, like, latch onto to at the
• 23:03
  time. There's
• 23:05
  not that that hook. There's not that cor.
• 23:07
  There's not something. It's... You know, you're you're
• 23:10
  this weird band from Milwaukee
• 23:12
  that
• 23:13
  was the biggest in you're seen, but you
• 23:15
  were like, really noisy and loud and just
• 23:18
  kinda weird guys and
• 23:20
  know, the you toward plenty, but there's no
• 23:23
  way,
• 23:24
  a random person in, like Orlando would suddenly
• 23:27
  hear this and be like this is my
• 23:29
  favorite thing now. It was, like, out almost
• 23:31
  outsider music for outsider people. Right. But you
• 23:34
  had to experience lie if you had like,
• 23:36
  really hear it and feel it for the
• 23:38
  first time, which some people explain, like, red
• 23:41
  fang in this, and they could talk about
• 23:43
  seeing some of these bands for the first
• 23:44
  time. Like, having outer body experiences. Seeing seeing
• 23:48
  like drive like J lie for the first
• 23:50
  time, which I fucking bet. That's a great
• 23:52
  band. And I'm sure that, like, at the
• 23:53
  time, absent in any other contact,
• 23:55
  like, seeing something like that, Band doesn't really
• 23:58
  sound like anybody else prior to that. Like,
• 24:00
  that... That's fucking incredible. But at the same
• 24:02
  time,
• 24:03
  drive like Jay who is never selling out,
• 24:05
  you know,
• 24:06
  your local amp theater.
• 24:09
  Yeah. It's it's a certain types of sounds
• 24:11
  for certain types of people,
• 24:13
  and and it didn't necessarily translate to bigger
• 24:17
  attention partially because of the record labels, partially
• 24:20
  because of the bands in their inner turmoil.
• 24:23
  And partially because the music just was not
• 24:25
  made for wider audiences.
• 24:28
  Right. So
• 24:30
  you know,
• 24:31
  are
• 24:32
  our man,
• 24:34
  Jack. Jack. I keep trying to call him
• 24:36
  Jim Dance, and he's not Jim dance. He
• 24:38
  is not a sports common.
• 24:40
  He not.
• 24:42
  Our our boy,
• 24:45
  damn Gym. Jake jack. Jack that is saying
• 24:49
  that, you know,
• 24:50
  towards the end there, they're
• 24:52
  they're vocalist. He got too big for his.
• 24:55
  Really thought that the band was him and
• 24:56
  nobody else, And then 1 night after a
• 24:59
  performance,
• 25:01
  they find that he had left
• 25:03
  the rest of the band in note saying
• 25:04
  that he was taking his talents
• 25:07
  to Miami,
• 25:08
  going off solo, and the last thing he
• 25:10
  did was steal their recording equipment from the
• 25:13
  studio.
• 25:15
  He took his since and went home.
• 25:18
  And our base player that lives in the
• 25:20
  absolute sq was like, yeah. Haven't spoken to
• 25:22
  about cock sucker in 30 years now I
• 25:24
  hope he dies.
• 25:26
  And while the other guy from the then
• 25:27
  is like, yeah, we reconnected recently, You know,
• 25:29
  he's a nice guy, were we're, you know,
• 25:31
  forgot the pass or having a nice time
• 25:32
  together hanging out being Friends.
• 25:34
  So which way Western man?
• 25:38
  A little from me and little from Ba.
• 25:40
  Suppose.
• 25:42
  Anyway, that that was...
• 25:44
  I didn't really care for the music of
• 25:46
  cop shoot cop, but I... Their story presented
• 25:48
  in this was by far my favorite.
• 25:51
  And it did... The the movie didn't
• 25:53
  quite delve into it as much as maybe
• 25:55
  it should. I have it did allude to
• 25:56
  it a lot and some mentions, but really
• 25:59
  talking about, like, local scenes. Mh. And how,
• 26:03
  entire sounds were fostered from just you all
• 26:06
  happen to be in the same place, playing
• 26:08
  the same clubs with the same people.
• 26:11
  Band members going back in forth, creating side
• 26:13
  projects and new projects and working together and,
• 26:16
  you know, really becoming
• 26:19
  the kings of your local city or your
• 26:21
  area, and that was enough to propel you
• 26:24
  to
• 26:25
  go on, like, full tours or even play
• 26:27
  festivals. They've shown
• 26:29
  some posters from, you know, they're early in
• 26:31
  the mid nineties, and you could see even,
• 26:34
  like small print bands, I would eventually become
• 26:36
  really big. Mh. Like, on the same level
• 26:39
  as some bands like you've never heard of.
• 26:42
  Yeah. A
• 26:43
  crazy
• 26:44
  shifting of the deck at the time.
• 26:47
  You know, as we mentioned, well, lots of
• 26:50
  lots of interesting interviews in this 1.
• 26:53
  Another 1 of my favorites
• 26:55
  is
• 26:56
  speaking with pepper keen of a corrosion of
• 26:58
  conformity. Mh. And which he is at a
• 27:01
  bar and has, like,
• 27:03
  15 empty proposals would be your next time,
• 27:06
  which was a an interesting,
• 27:10
  interesting, you know, framing device and what he's
• 27:13
  describing how he got his first guitar. Do
• 27:15
  you remember the story?
• 27:16
  Yeah. So friend of his died in a
• 27:19
  motorcycle accident, and then as in the side,
• 27:21
  he's like, oh, you know I, can we
• 27:23
  use running cops. He's running from the cops.
• 27:25
  He died in a voters motorcycle accident.
• 27:28
  So after that happened, I snuck up
• 27:31
  into his house through his window and stole
• 27:33
  his guitar.
• 27:38
  What do you what do you think about
• 27:39
  that? Jordan?
• 27:42
  I feel like there's a bigger story there,
• 27:43
  they were probably not gonna ever hear about.
• 27:46
  But I did like you had a good
• 27:48
  line that, throughout some of this movie, there's
• 27:50
  was, like, anime issues, mh quotes, which it
• 27:52
  was an interesting way to do things.
• 27:55
  He said something along the lines of Rich
• 27:57
  kids went to therapy and poor kids learned
• 28:00
  how to play guitar. Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:03
  So again, just if fascinating
• 28:06
  insight into the life of pepper key and
• 28:08
  as he use again, 15 beers deep.
• 28:11
  And eventually, they do play, they mentioned a
• 28:13
  little bit of cro for me. They don't
• 28:14
  get a big spot in this, but a
• 28:16
  couple of minutes with some throughout this. They
• 28:19
  have quotes from different magazines and public like,
• 28:22
  piping up these bands, which I thought was,
• 28:25
  a nice touch just to kind of give
• 28:26
  you a flavor of
• 28:28
  how they're... They did have positive
• 28:30
  feedback and attention at the time, and
• 28:32
  they had some live corrosion before me and
• 28:35
  also playing clean my wounds. Which is yeah.
• 28:38
  I would say 1 of their best songs.
• 28:39
  It's absolutely the best song. But, I mean,
• 28:42
  Pepper himself is, like, you know, we have
• 28:43
  this incredible once in a life film opportunity
• 28:46
  we're on a small label and Inter scope
• 28:48
  wanted to bias us out of our contract,
• 28:50
  you know, so that they could release this
• 28:52
  record. They gave us a half a million
• 28:54
  dollars,
• 28:55
  and we were, like, we are absolutely going
• 28:57
  to make use of all 500000 dollars when
• 28:59
  making deliverance. Like, we're never gonna have an
• 29:02
  opportunity to make a perfect like, big record
• 29:04
  like this ever again. So that's what we're
• 29:05
  gonna do. And god it, they did it.
• 29:08
  They had their shot and they took it.
• 29:10
  It wasn't like over where they used the
• 29:12
  money to buy suits and recorded in the
• 29:14
  fourth.
• 29:16
  I mean, like, a you can say a
• 29:18
  lot of things about these bands, but deliverance
• 29:20
  is an awesome record.
• 29:22
  So good on them for, like, seizing the
• 29:25
  moments and and understanding where they were at
• 29:27
  that time.
• 29:30
  Other bands, you know, they, they
• 29:32
  they talk pretty openly about, you know, pissing
• 29:35
  away all of this money on silly things
• 29:38
  and drugs and etcetera.
• 29:41
  And I did like the
• 29:43
  discussion of the labels giving them money,
• 29:47
  and that bands not realizing until much later.
• 29:51
  Like, the fancy launch that they were taken
• 29:53
  out to, the label wasn't paying for that.
• 29:55
  The band was paying for that.
• 29:57
  I'm I'm sure that you've seen it,
• 29:59
  the
• 30:01
  the the punk rock accounting class that
• 30:04
  Steve Put out, you know, years and years
• 30:06
  ago, explaining
• 30:08
  how advances are paid out and what's expected
• 30:11
  to be paid back to the label,
• 30:14
  where he accounts, like, you know, a hundred
• 30:15
  thousand dollars advance, and, you know, what the
• 30:17
  label expects for
• 30:19
  promotion, music video,
• 30:21
  you know, percentages on the back end for
• 30:24
  album sales and what you're actually paying for?
• 30:26
  Have you like have you ever received that?
• 30:28
  I have not. It is fascinating. I'll share
• 30:30
  it with you.
• 30:31
  But, I mean, this is exactly what he's
• 30:33
  he's
• 30:34
  been telling bands for decades
• 30:36
  is that... Yeah, Every time that they throw
• 30:39
  a... Party for you every time that they
• 30:41
  take you out to lunch, you hit the
• 30:42
  bill.
• 30:45
  And at 1 point they had a fudge
• 30:46
  tunnel on,
• 30:47
  And I love Fudge tunnel. You know that
• 30:50
  about me. You you're a big fudge tunnel.
• 30:52
  And
• 30:54
  they explained how the label wanted to
• 30:57
  fly out this fancy La director for their
• 31:00
  music video and spend a hundred thousand dollars
• 31:02
  for it, and the band's is like, no.
• 31:04
  We don't wanna do that. And the label
• 31:06
  said something like, well, how are you're going
• 31:08
  to pay for your plane tickets now.
• 31:11
  And it's the realization of, like, oh, you
• 31:13
  don't have
• 31:14
  creative control. You don't really have saying this.
• 31:17
  We own you, and you're gonna do what
• 31:19
  we tell you. And if you don't deliver,
• 31:21
  then you get nothing or you own owe
• 31:24
  money or we own the rights to everything
• 31:26
  and you have nothing.
• 31:28
  Yep. And it's at that point, but, again,
• 31:32
  somebody should have asked him pay alex. So
• 31:34
  when are you gonna do Nail balm again?
• 31:37
  Schools should have, like, the punk rock class
• 31:40
  economic stuff or how to buy a house
• 31:43
  or, like, what to do with a checking
• 31:45
  account instead of making kids take, like tri?
• 31:48
  Agreed.
• 31:49
  I took tri, and I don't actually
• 31:52
  remember any of it. Do you?
• 31:54
  Don't remember anything about biology,
• 31:57
  cam... Jury. Don't know much about a science
• 32:00
  book the multiple foreign languages I took. But
• 32:03
  sure would have been nice to learn. How
• 32:05
  do you buy a house or what happens
• 32:07
  when a family member dies and you are
• 32:09
  stuck with everything.
• 32:11
  Good
• 32:12
  lessons. Yeah. They're not they're not teaching. Your
• 32:14
  that. We got common core. No child luck
• 32:16
  behind in this bitch.
• 32:18
  You're failing no 1 cares, get out of
• 32:20
  the classroom. Yep.
• 32:23
  That's really fun stuff. Another
• 32:26
  another personality in this that I just
• 32:29
  enjoyed his present so much, Walter K Fish
• 32:32
  bone.
• 32:34
  Very entertaining.
• 32:35
  Incredibly entertaining that. He's clearly, like, zoo, having
• 32:39
  having a great time interviewing, having a blessed
• 32:42
  smile in the whole time, making jokes, talking
• 32:44
  about putting his balls and band members faces,
• 32:49
  It's like, you know, we had
• 32:51
  drugs and pores and all of these things,
• 32:54
  but we were serious about the music.
• 32:57
  Wishbone did get a a nice amount of
• 32:59
  attention, especially in the beginning and they did
• 33:01
  yeah. With live clips and how much fun
• 33:03
  their shows were and then they you didn't
• 33:06
  never really heard about at them any anymore.
• 33:08
  And, honestly, I wouldn't put them in
• 33:11
  with among these other bands just because they're
• 33:13
  more Scott oriented. I mean, Yeah. It's nice
• 33:15
  to get attention and it's well deserved. And
• 33:18
  I think now they're going through legal troubles.
• 33:20
  Like, with their own band members, like usage
• 33:23
  of the name, and I think 1 of
• 33:25
  the members who was in a sense of
• 33:26
  beginning, is no part of it is this
• 33:29
  weird back and forth that's been going on
• 33:31
  recently.
• 33:32
  Strange stuff.
• 33:34
  There's also a very
• 33:36
  strange version the movie makes,
• 33:39
  where we have
• 33:40
  a story that
• 33:42
  the guy from
• 33:44
  fuck, I think it's helmet.
• 33:45
  Is describing, like being on tour with,
• 33:49
  Buzz Osborne of the Melvin
• 33:51
  and which he
• 33:53
  this... And this checks out just from, you
• 33:55
  know,
• 33:56
  gl at the guy that Buzz osborne
• 33:59
  takes some kind of man joy and farting
• 34:01
  in the van and and making the windows
• 34:04
  stay up so that, you know, everybody else
• 34:06
  has to deal with him farting.
• 34:09
  And then we have a guy from a
• 34:11
  band that's covered briefly in this called Course
• 34:12
  of Empire
• 34:14
  who is struggling to
• 34:16
  put his words together. Just about how much
• 34:19
  this offend him to his core.
• 34:22
  Yeah. They do a Delve course of Empire
• 34:24
  just a little bit. Band I've never heard
• 34:26
  of,
• 34:27
  and they played 1 of their songs and
• 34:29
  they talked about, like,
• 34:30
  being noisy
• 34:32
  and trying to like, sound like an infestation.
• 34:34
  And when I hear this song, it's like,
• 34:36
  yeah. There's a reason why. Yep. This is
• 34:38
  never a big head. It is far too
• 34:40
  caustic and noisy and aggressive. And I think
• 34:42
  they have 2 drummer And Yeah.
• 34:45
  They even explained how they would play guitars
• 34:47
  like a per precaution instrument. It's like, yes.
• 34:49
  Of course, this would never be, you know,
• 34:52
  in ut for you. This is... Well, you're
• 34:54
  you're lucky that this gets on buzz.
• 34:57
  He's also like, I think we were too
• 34:59
  political
• 35:00
  because of their song about, like, what if
• 35:01
  humans were in infestation. It's like, shut the
• 35:04
  fuck up you. Idiots
• 35:05
  you you're not nearly as smart as you
• 35:07
  think you are.
• 35:10
  Anyway,
• 35:11
  they didn't make it and don't for it
• 35:13
  in that guy's face because it sense.
• 35:18
  That that does check out though. Like, oh,
• 35:20
  buzz born seems like an incredibly caustic person
• 35:22
  to even have to sit next to for
• 35:24
  5 minutes.
• 35:25
  And yet he is still making music and
• 35:27
  touring to this day. Yeah.
• 35:29
  They didn't have a bit with a guy
• 35:31
  from
• 35:32
  filter. Like, they not much time spent with
• 35:35
  him and his very nice house
• 35:37
  where he's describing, like, overnight, where,
• 35:40
  we're suddenly
• 35:41
  head a tour, and I have
• 35:44
  stage hands and a guitar tech, even though
• 35:46
  I can barely play the guitar at this
• 35:48
  time.
• 35:51
  That's awesome. That's really the dream. Yeah. It's
• 35:54
  kind of the sharp rise and success for
• 35:56
  some of these bands and
• 35:58
  maintaining that throughout most of their career until,
• 36:01
  like, recently with, you know, shorter and shorter
• 36:04
  returns just because that's time and age.
• 36:06
  And then there's some ends who were just
• 36:07
  like, yeah, We got 500000 dollars and nothing
• 36:10
  happened for us. Yep. Yep. Because then it...
• 36:13
  It's 1 thing
• 36:15
  that maybe some people don't realize with the
• 36:17
  bigger labels.
• 36:18
  They have a specific number in their head
• 36:21
  of
• 36:22
  how many albums they want you to sell,
• 36:25
  not just a breakeven even, but to make
• 36:27
  a profit because, again, this is a business,
• 36:29
  and
• 36:30
  you can sell the most albums you've ever
• 36:32
  sold in your band's career,
• 36:34
  and it's nowhere near what they wanted and
• 36:36
  you're gone. So that was an interesting point
• 36:40
  illustrated with live in this documentary. Like, you
• 36:42
  remember live. Right? Yeah. It's growing copper classic
• 36:46
  album, yeah. They sold 14000000 copies of throwing
• 36:48
  on copper.
• 36:49
  And then about 7000000 of the follow up
• 36:52
  record, which is
• 36:54
  you know, that wasn't enough, I guess, so
• 36:57
  the label put them in the dog house.
• 36:59
  Again, like,
• 37:00
  I can't imagine any artist on earth selling
• 37:04
  7000000 records now it is. It we just
• 37:06
  would never happen again. No. And this happened
• 37:10
  a few years later with a lot of
• 37:11
  new metal bands, they got snatched up by
• 37:14
  various labels. Same thing happened. I think
• 37:17
  flaw was on
• 37:18
  universal or in their scope 1 of those.
• 37:20
  And they sold... I don't know, like, 30000
• 37:23
  copies. And they're like, no, We want 75000
• 37:26
  minimum. You're gone. And that's it. The the
• 37:29
  band struggles along for a couple more years
• 37:31
  putting out albums and, you know, that's that's
• 37:34
  it for a lot of these bands is
• 37:36
  you didn't reach that magical number, and it
• 37:39
  doesn't matter that this is the most popular
• 37:41
  thing you've ever done. It's not good enough.
• 37:43
  So we have a band that we spent
• 37:45
  a lot of time with here called sugar
• 37:46
  tooth that really kind of,
• 37:49
  harp on that exact thing.
• 37:51
  You know, I I'd never heard of the
• 37:52
  span before, but, you know, but people seem
• 37:55
  to like them, I guess, the the music
• 37:57
  was fine. I think that if anything that
• 37:59
  did have some some commercial appeal with what
• 38:01
  I heard.
• 38:02
  But, you know,
• 38:04
  they they put out a record, and then
• 38:06
  it just wasn't getting the numbers that they
• 38:07
  needed. So,
• 38:09
  their label is, like, well, we're done with
• 38:11
  this record. We're not gonna do any additional
• 38:13
  promotion on it. Go start the next 1
• 38:15
  right now.
• 38:17
  Yeah. It's been 6 months get back in
• 38:18
  the studio now. Yeah.
• 38:21
  Their
• 38:22
  drummer in the band, Joey Castillo of queens
• 38:25
  of the Stone age.
• 38:27
  He's... You know, he's, like, well, at that
• 38:29
  point, I left to go. I love to
• 38:30
  go play drums for Dan z, and his
• 38:32
  partner is like, hey. I yeah. Wait. Don't
• 38:34
  you. It's just the funniest fucking thing.
• 38:38
  The zag is what they call them. The
• 38:40
  zig.
• 38:42
  You know there have to be...
• 38:44
  We gotta find some of these people who
• 38:46
  we're hired hands to play with Dan or
• 38:48
  you know, played it on 1 album
• 38:50
  left because there has to be some amazing
• 38:53
  stories that we've never gotten. Like sure we
• 38:54
  all know
• 38:55
  the Wendy's chicken sandwich and french onion soup.
• 38:59
  We know the Dan egg with kitty litter.
• 39:01
  We know the bricks. But there's gotta be
• 39:03
  such good ones from the nineties that just
• 39:06
  never made it to a magazine that people
• 39:08
  just... When they get together and they have
• 39:10
  a couple beers, they just love
• 39:12
  pretending to be dan and recreating these situations.
• 39:15
  I mean, you could tell that these guys
• 39:17
  had a lot more that they wanted to
• 39:18
  expand on
• 39:21
  unfortunately, we don't get more of those dan
• 39:23
  zig zigzag, but we gotta reach out to
• 39:25
  Joey Castillo if we can we can get
• 39:26
  them get them on the pod someday day.
• 39:29
  Specifically to talk about Dan.
• 39:31
  You you can promote whatever you're working on,
• 39:32
  that's cool, but we're talking about Dan for
• 39:34
  an hour and a half.
• 39:38
  And so, yeah. That... I mean, that's it.
• 39:40
  They they had another try with another record.
• 39:42
  It didn't do what they needed to do
• 39:43
  and, well, that your your dreams are done.
• 39:46
  That's it. You're you're over.
• 39:49
  Common story unfortunately.
• 39:51
  Yeah. For for a aladdin of these bands,
• 39:54
  You have your moment and sometimes you get
• 39:56
  lucky. Like, how I'll gets a lot of
• 39:58
  play throughout this and they talk about their
• 40:00
  success and play it on song, which is
• 40:03
  a song that still shows up on video
• 40:04
  game soundtrack for this day. Because it is
• 40:06
  a perfect song.
• 40:08
  It's it was it's made for radio, it
• 40:11
  has the r
• 40:13
  pages voice is very clean and clear and
• 40:16
  sounds good, and it is... It made made
• 40:18
  to be a hit almost. Yeah. I've always
• 40:21
  thought that, like, Paige voice is, like, if
• 40:23
  Oz, if Obviously was, like, you know, competent.
• 40:27
  A lot of people have said, especially for,
• 40:29
  like, that record that they sounded like a
• 40:31
  modern black x savvy. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 40:34
  And, you know?
• 40:36
  It's a it's a damn shane that, you
• 40:37
  know, that that was kinda
• 40:39
  never gonna get that again either.
• 40:41
  No.
• 40:43
  Let's talk about artist development vis a vis
• 40:47
  1 of your favorite bands monster Magnet.
• 40:50
  Yes. It's very happy to see Dave this.
• 40:52
  And to to later on, he talks about
• 40:55
  the success of how
• 40:56
  He was fed up with his record label
• 40:59
  and the music industry. They had Dope Stu
• 41:01
  Finn come at, which did, you know, well
• 41:03
  enough for what it was. People still love
• 41:04
  that album It's when of their classic albums,
• 41:07
  but it didn't do good enough for whatever
• 41:09
  the label wanted.
• 41:11
  So he was pissed off, hold up in
• 41:13
  a hotel room in Las Vegas.
• 41:15
  And made a sarcastic album about tits and
• 41:18
  money and became the biggest record he's ever
• 41:21
  done.
• 41:22
  I love it. He was, like, You know,
• 41:24
  how how are you guys not selling my
• 41:26
  record? You guys can sell a zillion copies
• 41:28
  of cigarettes a day. There's a silly zillion
• 41:31
  packs of cigarettes today, but not copies of
• 41:32
  my record?
• 41:34
  It's he's so entertaining because he has the
• 41:37
  bitterness. Yeah. Like, having to deal with the
• 41:40
  record industry, but he also has the success,
• 41:43
  which His also made him bitter because he
• 41:45
  should have had more success. Yeah. But he
• 41:47
  is like, very with it and conscience of
• 41:49
  everything. So
• 41:51
  He's he's like, been around the block and
• 41:53
  knows
• 41:54
  all the nonsense and he's been through and
• 41:56
  he's, like, still come out the same person.
• 41:59
  But I mean, he was right. I... If
• 42:01
  you guys aren't gonna do the job of
• 42:03
  marketing my record, I'm gonna do it myself.
• 42:06
  Tits
• 42:07
  money.
• 42:07
  Sits and money. This is it.
• 42:11
  Wearing a suit with Light bulbs Ana and
• 42:13
  playing on the Las Vegas strip and it
• 42:16
  was huge. I mean, that video is fucking
• 42:18
  incredible.
• 42:19
  Absolutely insane. It's very good, and it it
• 42:22
  works for them, but you know, talking about
• 42:24
  these ann or people who, again, just trying
• 42:26
  to
• 42:27
  whine and dine these bands it's not because
• 42:29
  they actually like them, not because they believe
• 42:31
  in them. But because they are a commodity
• 42:34
  and they will make you money. He even
• 42:36
  mentions what we mentioned, the guy with a
• 42:38
  cigar now saying, like, you got it kid.
• 42:41
  We're gonna make millions with you. This this
• 42:43
  kid's got it. He's got it.
• 42:47
  Other
• 42:48
  bands we touched on, and I wish we
• 42:50
  kind of didn't.
• 42:52
  Is a guy from a band called
• 42:55
  Brad?
• 42:57
  And satchel, 2 different bands.
• 42:59
  Saw Sean Smith. That's the guy that's in
• 43:01
  the bayou with a long hair and the
• 43:02
  beard. Yeah. Playing piano and
• 43:06
  singing so fully. It's completely inappropriate for everything
• 43:09
  else pictured here.
• 43:11
  I feel if you took that now and
• 43:13
  put it on, like, country radio. Mh. You
• 43:16
  may have a lot of success with it.
• 43:18
  Sure. Very out of place in 19 92.
• 43:22
  I mean, yeah. If he's playing these beatles
• 43:24
  es Piano songs. It's like, well, yeah, I
• 43:27
  can see why you didn't take off among
• 43:28
  the scene, man. That's not it's not really
• 43:30
  a fucking deal.
• 43:31
  I'm surprised no 1 threw of it Yet.
• 43:34
  Yeah. Seriously though. But I mean, nice singer
• 43:36
  a nice Piano player just
• 43:38
  such an outlier, not just for this documentary,
• 43:40
  but for
• 43:42
  alternative rock at that time. Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:47
  Other bands
• 43:48
  covered here,
• 43:50
  handsome.
• 43:53
  You remember handsome?
• 43:54
  It's members of different bands and including helmet,
• 43:57
  and,
• 43:59
  was it the drummer from the Chrome?
• 44:01
  Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Was, like, a super group
• 44:04
  that wasn't very super
• 44:06
  and
• 44:07
  I've listened to a couple of songs it
• 44:09
  doesn't sound bad. There was, like, potential there.
• 44:12
  Sure. And they they even posted some, like,
• 44:14
  articles and newspaper clipping from them, and it
• 44:17
  was all like, these guys are very handsome,
• 44:19
  and they called handsome,
• 44:21
  and they make handsome music and we could
• 44:23
  do something that this. And then it all
• 44:25
  fell apart. I think after 1 album. Yeah.
• 44:27
  They got a huge advance, and it just...
• 44:29
  It didn't really do anything.
• 44:32
  There was AII also don't know if you
• 44:33
  caught this. There is, like, a 5 second
• 44:35
  piece with Ron Holes of trouble.
• 44:39
  Did you do you remember this bit? I
• 44:40
  missed that.
• 44:41
  No. He's just talking specifically about how many
• 44:44
  hooker the the label would buy them?
• 44:48
  Like, he is in this movie for literally
• 44:50
  5 seconds to say that. So I appreciate
• 44:53
  his inclusion there. It it must have been
• 44:55
  an interview from something else that, yeah, We
• 44:57
  could use this. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 45:01
  Other things in this
• 45:03
  this this document, down.
• 45:06
  Has a... Has a brief moment here. Do
• 45:08
  you catch that? Reef, and they include a
• 45:11
  clip of them playing D festival in front
• 45:13
  of, like, 10000 people. Mh.
• 45:16
  Wearing the biggest shorts you've ever seen in
• 45:18
  your life.
• 45:20
  Yeah. And like, a bio hazard, build from
• 45:22
  bio hazards in this too. Yeah. I feel
• 45:24
  like, you know, this does kind of on
• 45:26
  the edges touch on what you mentioned the
• 45:28
  next, you know, major label feeding frenzy, which
• 45:31
  was, of course, new metal.
• 45:34
  So we're we're we're on the the edges
• 45:35
  they're bleeding into the next 1. Yeah. I
• 45:37
  mean, even, you know, prior to new metal,
• 45:39
  and we've talked about this how
• 45:42
  mid nineties, like New York scene, La seen
• 45:44
  in a couple other places
• 45:46
  had bans. They weren't... New metal wasn't a
• 45:49
  thing yet.
• 45:50
  But they were kind of combining that hard
• 45:52
  rock and hardcore and a little bit of
• 45:54
  rap, so you'd get the bio hazards and
• 45:57
  downs and life of agony that
• 46:00
  didn't quite fit in with alternative rock, but
• 46:03
  new didn't exist yet. So it was just
• 46:05
  kind of this hard rock that eventually bled
• 46:08
  into the late nineties.
• 46:10
  Yeah. So it's... I know. There there... God,
• 46:13
  there was another band that was very briefly
• 46:15
  mentioned here towards the end that, kind of
• 46:17
  fills that space entirely and blanking entirely.
• 46:23
  Everyone. It's fine it's fine it's fine. Oh,
• 46:28
  Only living witness. That's it. Yeah. Exactly.
• 46:30
  Yeah. Only living witness, they do get some
• 46:33
  play at the end of it, and
• 46:35
  they're 1 of those bands that,
• 46:37
  in the Boston scene,
• 46:39
  like, very much like Sam Black Church, highly
• 46:41
  highly
• 46:42
  influential. To all the bands you've heard of
• 46:44
  that came after them. And they mentioned it
• 46:46
  in the documentary, like, kill switch engage,
• 46:49
  shadows full all. All those, like, Boston, Springfield,
• 46:53
  metal core bands, and the eventually became big
• 46:56
  started because they watch bands, like only living
• 46:59
  witness who
• 47:00
  were
• 47:01
  sort of metal sort of hard rock,
• 47:03
  really something
• 47:05
  special in your scene. Mh. And with only
• 47:07
  living witness, they were scientists to Century media.
• 47:10
  And
• 47:11
  they even mentioned, like, Century Media didn't really
• 47:13
  know what to do with them and they're
• 47:15
  album a,
• 47:16
  pro mortal form, I think it's called. They
• 47:18
  have a song called December on or my
• 47:20
  December on it that
• 47:22
  notes it's December that people should listen to
• 47:24
  and you could kinda hear where
• 47:26
  the sound was at that time. I'm and
• 47:28
  like, what could have been and, like, this
• 47:30
  was a situation of Century meet not knowing
• 47:32
  what to do with them. And, like, 5
• 47:35
  or 6 years later, a bunch of bounce
• 47:37
  band sound like them. Yep. Like red fang,
• 47:40
  the sword,
• 47:41
  that's sort of, like, look
• 47:44
  featured here.
• 47:45
  Yeah. That that sort of revival this sound
• 47:47
  is, like, they were doing it in 19
• 47:49
  97.
• 47:50
  And just as in the side,
• 47:53
  I did a show many years ago with
• 47:55
  the the vocalist Jonah,
• 47:57
  who
• 47:58
  he at the that point, he had a,
• 48:00
  sort like, Grind
• 48:01
  band called Raw Radar War
• 48:03
  and played a show together and there wasn't
• 48:05
  that many people there, but I ended up
• 48:07
  talking with the guy for, like, an hour.
• 48:09
  Just like, vocalist to vocalist, just bullshit about
• 48:13
  all sorts of different things and making sounds,
• 48:15
  and
• 48:16
  he talked about cord in an empty warehouse
• 48:20
  for 1 of his bands and there was
• 48:22
  an old boiler
• 48:23
  in 1 of the rooms that they just
• 48:25
  took a hammer. And started hitting it just
• 48:28
  to get a specific sound out of it.
• 48:30
  So I mean, III always
• 48:32
  appreciate only living witness just because of that
• 48:34
  fun experience and, like, he just gave me
• 48:35
  a bunch of their records and albums like,
• 48:37
  no, No. You guys are great here. Take
• 48:39
  this stuff.
• 48:40
  Let's do something. So it's always
• 48:42
  whenever I hear that name, like, oh, yeah.
• 48:44
  They deserve to be bigger.
• 48:46
  Yeah. I... And... That's the funny thing. I'm
• 48:48
  glad that you mentioned it because I I
• 48:49
  feel like I always hear
• 48:51
  only living witness in the same breath as
• 48:53
  Sam Black church.
• 48:55
  Like, it's it's it's kind of those those
• 48:57
  2 are intrinsically,
• 48:59
  connected, I guess, for that,
• 49:00
  new wave of American heavy metal like the
• 49:03
  pro of that. Yeah. Just part of that
• 49:06
  scene and and even dipping it the Providence
• 49:08
  K sm that
• 49:10
  sort of hard rock, sort of groove metal,
• 49:12
  sort of heavy metal, just kind of its
• 49:15
  own sound at its own time, that local
• 49:17
  people loved and they finally got a chance,
• 49:20
  at least some of them and kinda peter
• 49:22
  out for 1 reason or another.
• 49:26
  Anyway I out where he was going us.
• 49:27
  Anyway, I... That... But, yeah, Like, that's a
• 49:29
  perfect
• 49:30
  a perfect, like, link from
• 49:32
  the late eighties early nineties to what would
• 49:35
  become the late nineties early 2 thousands.
• 49:40
  Other other pieces in here, I really enjoyed,
• 49:43
  Sean from white zombie,
• 49:46
  describing
• 49:47
  you know, the band's living conditions in the
• 49:50
  the late eighties
• 49:52
  in New York in a basement apartments
• 49:55
  with, you know, no Tv, no phone. So
• 49:57
  all you really had to do was, like,
• 49:59
  you know, fuck around and make music.
• 50:02
  They said they didn't even have radio... They
• 50:03
  couldn't get radio stations and... Because they're in
• 50:05
  the basement. Yeah.
• 50:07
  Wow it's it's interesting to think of especially
• 50:10
  now where we're just bombarded with
• 50:13
  so much at the same time all the
• 50:15
  time and you can't help, but be influenced
• 50:18
  by,
• 50:19
  especially now with Internet, we're all influenced by
• 50:22
  the same things. Yeah. Whereas
• 50:24
  back then, it's just... We're playing in our
• 50:26
  basement and, hey, this guy has this cool
• 50:29
  sound. Let's work with it and you kind
• 50:31
  of, like, can become your own band.
• 50:34
  And I don't know. I I think it's
• 50:36
  it's also interesting. Like,
• 50:39
  Steve Albania is is quoted in here saying,
• 50:41
  like, you know, in in this particular scene
• 50:43
  that he was at in Chicago. There were
• 50:44
  a lot of people that could not otherwise
• 50:47
  make it in the quote, unquote straight world
• 50:49
  due to
• 50:51
  you know, mental illness, various,
• 50:55
  para,
• 50:56
  I would say is a word for what
• 50:57
  he described.
• 50:59
  And
• 51:00
  getting basically getting involved and this abrasive underground
• 51:03
  music scene because you could be as weird
• 51:05
  as you wanted and nobody would really question
• 51:07
  too much there.
• 51:09
  You know, there are certain things about his
• 51:10
  character that maybe that makes a lot of
• 51:12
  sense.
• 51:13
  But
• 51:14
  if for as
• 51:16
  impactful for a, a producers he was for
• 51:19
  as many great records as he's done, hundreds
• 51:21
  of records, all sound great. Like, the bands
• 51:23
  that he is consistently championed are dog shit.
• 51:29
  It's 1 of those those who can't do
• 51:31
  teach
• 51:32
  I guess so.
• 51:34
  I mean, big black was a really unique
• 51:36
  band. But, again, it's not something that I've
• 51:38
  ever wanted to listen for more than, like,
• 51:40
  a song or 2 at a time.
• 51:41
  Same same thing with rape man or anything
• 51:44
  else for that matter.
• 51:46
  Great producer.
• 51:47
  But man,
• 51:49
  loves terrible bands.
• 51:54
  Anyway,
• 51:55
  other other things in this feature in this
• 51:58
  is documentary.
• 51:59
  Jaw gets a lot of play playtime which
• 52:01
  is a band that I kind of just
• 52:04
  rotate my mind with jaw breaker and glass
• 52:07
  jaw. Yep.
• 52:08
  It's jaw breaker jaw box. The ones I
• 52:11
  always confused.
• 52:12
  Job is a name that's just always on
• 52:15
  these show posters that you see up in
• 52:18
  record stores or, you know,
• 52:20
  rock and metal
• 52:21
  restaurants or something. Their name always there, opening
• 52:24
  up for a much bigger band that you've
• 52:26
  heard of. Yep.
• 52:27
  And what what do you think after finally,
• 52:30
  dedicating a whole time to to Job box?
• 52:33
  I think
• 52:34
  there was something there.
• 52:38
  I don't know, like, in their
• 52:41
  incarnation
• 52:42
  of what they're putting out. It was quite
• 52:44
  big enough to, like, make something, but there
• 52:46
  was something there.
• 52:47
  That some of these other bands didn't have.
• 52:49
  They weren't, like, just noisy.
• 52:51
  But I I think they probably needed, like,
• 52:53
  a director or someone to guide them a
• 52:56
  little bit. Mh. Be like, hey, you have
• 52:58
  something.
• 52:59
  Let's try to make a Chorus.
• 53:02
  Let's try to, like, just focus on this
• 53:03
  1 r. Like, your music video is cute.
• 53:06
  Let's go with that, but, you know, make
• 53:08
  a good song with it. And I did
• 53:10
  look up, 1 of their songs on Youtube
• 53:12
  and we've talked about the importance of
• 53:15
  youtube comments sometimes and how they're just gonna
• 53:17
  get washed away. And people are saying, oh,
• 53:19
  the basis is my eighth grade history teacher.
• 53:22
  Love that. I fucking love that.
• 53:26
  Other
• 53:27
  so I think that
• 53:29
  1 of the things that,
• 53:31
  is
• 53:32
  hits pretty hard in this in this documentary
• 53:34
  is that, you know, after
• 53:37
  Nirvana took off after they were... And they
• 53:39
  they make the comparison, like,
• 53:42
  before this, the only people that sold this
• 53:44
  many records were people like Madonna.
• 53:47
  So having
• 53:48
  nirvana
• 53:49
  be this massive
• 53:51
  multi platinum
• 53:52
  band.
• 53:53
  It was a feeding frenzy, but nobody understood
• 53:56
  what made that band particularly work. All that
• 54:00
  they knew was there were a lot of
• 54:01
  dirty long hair kids,
• 54:03
  playing Guitar all across the country in different
• 54:05
  scenes, and they were like, fuck it. Let's
• 54:06
  give it a try with all of them.
• 54:08
  And it really did result in some pretty
• 54:12
  pretty interesting things as a as, you know,
• 54:14
  a a lot of
• 54:15
  my favorite bands are the very least mentioned
• 54:18
  in this documentary,
• 54:20
  and it's... It really solidifies that, you know,
• 54:23
  there's never going to be a period like
• 54:26
  this ever again because there's never gonna be
• 54:27
  an investment
• 54:29
  in these bands ever again,
• 54:31
  which I think is is is, you know,
• 54:34
  It's great that it happened at the time
• 54:35
  it's bummer it's never gonna happen again.
• 54:37
  Yeah. I I think that's fair. I think
• 54:40
  they they do kinda skip over and like,
• 54:41
  oh, only Madonna and prince sold records. I
• 54:44
  kinda skip over all the glam and hair
• 54:46
  metal. They even, like, guns and roses. There's
• 54:48
  like brief mentions of it, but, yeah. They
• 54:51
  they were saying, you know,
• 54:52
  a couple years prior, like, you know, guns
• 54:54
  and roses on top of the world, and
• 54:55
  then nobody gave a shit about them after,
• 54:57
  you know, after this, which I
• 54:59
  Through. Yeah.
• 55:02
  But, yeah, it's part of it is, yes,
• 55:04
  there's never gonna be an investment again.
• 55:07
  I think the other part of is
• 55:09
  there may not be an investment among...
• 55:12
  I I don't wanna just say, oh, young
• 55:14
  people don't wanna play the guitar and make
• 55:16
  plans. It's obviously not true. They definitely do.
• 55:18
  I think it's...
• 55:20
  There's alternatives
• 55:22
  to doing it now that are much easier
• 55:24
  and have easier access to it. If you
• 55:26
  wanna make music that have far bigger success
• 55:29
  rates. Yeah. Then, you know, learning guitar, learning
• 55:33
  drums,
• 55:34
  you know, it's easier to pick up a
• 55:36
  laptop. It's easier. Or just to pick up
• 55:37
  a microphone and have beats to it. Just
• 55:39
  in terms of, like, quick, easy, blow. Oh
• 55:42
  up success.
• 55:43
  Mean talk we've talked about Tiktok and how
• 55:46
  you can have a 10 second song on
• 55:48
  the rate video at the right time that
• 55:49
  gets thousands and thousands of views and suddenly,
• 55:52
  you can... I don't know play a Dj
• 55:55
  festival all because of that. Well, sure. I
• 55:57
  don't see there's
• 55:58
  the the economics of the whole thing has
• 56:00
  changed. This was a period where the album
• 56:02
  was ideal because that's what you sold. You
• 56:05
  sold albums. You don't sell albums anymore, so
• 56:07
  it doesn't make sense to make albums, You
• 56:09
  know? It's Yeah. The entire the entire culture
• 56:11
  and economics of this has changed. Is not
• 56:13
  the same? And and they touch on that
• 56:14
  It's like, you make your money touring now.
• 56:16
  Yeah. And the economics of touring are much
• 56:19
  harder than they used to. You used to
• 56:20
  be able to get into a crummy van
• 56:22
  and
• 56:23
  play
• 56:24
  20 to 30
• 56:25
  day tour across a couple of months, and
• 56:28
  now
• 56:29
  your van breaks down, and that's it. You're
• 56:31
  done for
• 56:32
  or you have to go back to your
• 56:33
  job that you had had because it's the
• 56:35
  only way you're going to survive and just
• 56:38
  everything keeps going up and, like, even instruments
• 56:40
  wise. Like, you used to be able to
• 56:42
  steal your friend's guitar and now you have
• 56:44
  a band.
• 56:45
  Yeah. Used to be... You could you could
• 56:46
  rob a dead man, and now
• 56:48
  now you go to jail for that kind
• 56:50
  of thing. It's bullshit. Now you have to
• 56:51
  go to Guitar center. Yeah. And by the
• 56:55
  dentist special for 1200 dollars.
• 56:58
  Thanks to their new Ceo, We need to
• 57:00
  follow up on him in the future, by
• 57:01
  the way.
• 57:02
  Thank you for reminding me.
• 57:05
  I I don't know, man. I I did...
• 57:07
  I really enjoyed this 1 simply because I
• 57:09
  I am kinda fascinated by this little period
• 57:12
  of time,
• 57:13
  again, if you if you are a fan
• 57:15
  of
• 57:16
  rb band could be your life, I think
• 57:17
  this is a good companion piece to it
• 57:19
  as well.
• 57:21
  Just to get,
• 57:23
  you know, here's some some of these voices
• 57:25
  and and see
• 57:27
  outside of that specific scene, see a few
• 57:29
  other bands
• 57:30
  covered.
• 57:31
  And,
• 57:32
  particularly, everything with cop shoot cop is a
• 57:34
  lot of fun.
• 57:36
  Yeah. This is a good while if you
• 57:38
  either wanna learn more about that scene or
• 57:41
  you live through it and wanna relive some
• 57:43
  of these bands or you like some bands
• 57:45
  that era and you just want new ones
• 57:47
  or ones that you you you may have
• 57:50
  missed at some point and. So also a
• 57:52
  good lesson for what the music industry was
• 57:55
  and
• 57:57
  to this day and
• 57:59
  how it it really is amazing that just
• 58:02
  about any band that's successful.
• 58:04
  Yeah nowadays days. Oh my god. Yeah. It...
• 58:06
  The any of these... Anything works out as
• 58:09
  a fucking miracles.
• 58:11
  And it's a good reminder of, like, why
• 58:13
  some bands never make it. It's... Sometimes it's
• 58:16
  the label. Sometimes it's you. Sometimes it's the
• 58:18
  music that you put out and
• 58:20
  Sometimes it's just the bad time. Know, we
• 58:23
  bad timing of something coming out. You had
• 58:26
  something, but it took
• 58:27
  a year or too long to come out
• 58:29
  and the boat was already gone, and Yep.
• 58:31
  You know, it's no longer a rising tide,
• 58:34
  rises all ships. Everyone's just kind kind of
• 58:36
  lowered down and
• 58:38
  things have even out to this like, lower
• 58:41
  tier where some bands can find
• 58:43
  some notoriety, but not necessarily the success of
• 58:47
  25 years ago.
• 58:49
  So I think that actually
• 58:50
  probably leads us to
• 58:52
  a good out note here.
• 58:55
  I I
• 58:57
  for the music at the end of this
• 58:58
  episode, I have something in particular in mind,
• 58:59
  I wanna I wanna play here.
• 59:02
  Our friend, B, your church,
• 59:05
  Will, Will Jameson who's been on the show.
• 59:07
  A couple of times, I think.
• 59:10
  He sent me the this band that kinda
• 59:13
  it exe advised what you were just saying,
• 59:15
  you had all of the right pieces, but
• 59:18
  your timing was just a little bit off.
• 59:21
  This is a gru band that, like, hit
• 59:23
  just
• 59:25
  maybe a year,
• 59:26
  18 months too late to be where they
• 59:28
  needed to be. A band called Paul.
• 59:31
  Which you would saying that you you'd had
• 59:32
  heard of before. I think I know the
• 59:34
  name. It's just... It's 1 of those names
• 59:36
  that's generic enough or it's probably been on
• 59:37
  a post or I've seen Sure.
• 59:39
  And this is 1 of these things like,
• 59:42
  this this sound is great. It has all
• 59:44
  the pieces the musicians ship is absolutely impeccable.
• 59:48
  It's a catchy song,
• 59:49
  it hits hard. III love the song, and
• 59:53
  again, like,
• 59:55
  if you just
• 59:57
  had put this out again, 18 months, 2
• 1:00:00
  years earlier. You you would've...
• 1:00:02
  You would be talking about these guys in
• 1:00:04
  this documentary. But know, it it didn't work
• 1:00:06
  out that way.
• 1:00:08
  So I don't know. I I think that
• 1:00:10
  this this is something I really enjoy. I
• 1:00:12
  think that
• 1:00:14
  exe identifies this, you know,
• 1:00:15
  The... All of these waves of creativity going
• 1:00:17
  on here. Like, this big explosive
• 1:00:19
  Chorus with
• 1:00:22
  really great slide gets guitar all pedal steel
• 1:00:24
  gets guitar all over it. Like, you don't...
• 1:00:26
  You wouldn't hear anything like that. Any other
• 1:00:28
  context, but all of these bands kind of
• 1:00:30
  doing their own thing,
• 1:00:32
  creating a patchwork scene,
• 1:00:34
  you know, where everybody has
• 1:00:36
  their particular
• 1:00:39
  vibe feeling
• 1:00:41
  instrumentation, what they're going for,
• 1:00:43
  and then, you know, a money feeding for
• 1:00:45
  Based on all that. It's just
• 1:00:47
  You know,
• 1:00:48
  1 of those big bang events won't be
• 1:00:50
  replicated. But I think that this music is
• 1:00:53
  that we're gonna play here is a it's
• 1:00:54
  a it's a good representation of that time,
• 1:00:56
  and
• 1:00:57
  you know, something that's been
• 1:00:59
  kind of for the most part lost and
• 1:01:01
  ignored didn't get the attention and got at
• 1:01:03
  the time.
• 1:01:04
  You know, hopefully, you guys enjoy listening to
• 1:01:06
  it. Yeah. There's lots of stuff out there
• 1:01:09
  from that time that it's
• 1:01:11
  it's just there and we need, like, refine
• 1:01:13
  and and red rediscovered it because if you
• 1:01:16
  like, 1 of these bands, there's a good
• 1:01:18
  chance to like 3 or 4 of them
• 1:01:19
  that just never quite made it it And
• 1:01:22
  it's worth flipping around even on Youtube. Like
• 1:01:25
  never related videos just to maybe you'll find
• 1:01:29
  something that, you know, you never heard before
• 1:01:31
  and you love it or if it's in
• 1:01:33
  my case, you red discover something,
• 1:01:36
  which is just the weirdest, sometimes coolest feeling
• 1:01:40
  where
• 1:01:41
  you heard it 20 years ago, 30 years
• 1:01:44
  ago late at night when you should have
• 1:01:46
  been asleep and you were listening to radio
• 1:01:48
  we're watching mtv and there's just this 1
• 1:01:51
  song or there's 1 video that just a
• 1:01:53
  tiny piece of stuck in your head, and
• 1:01:55
  you've never been able to find it, and
• 1:01:57
  then all of a sudden all these memories
• 1:01:59
  come rushing back when you hear it again?
• 1:02:01
  Yep.
• 1:02:02
  So I think that's a good note to
• 1:02:04
  to leave us on. What do you think?
• 1:02:06
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• 1:02:07
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• 1:02:21
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