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The Hidden Truth About Giants in the Bible | Doug Van Dorn · Prophecy Watchers

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. Mondo Gonzales here in studio, and we are
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about giants today. Are giants real?
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  Speaker 1: Are they in the Bible? What does the Bible say?
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  Speaker 1: What does your church teach about the giants of the Bible?
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  Speaker 1: That is the real question. We're going to be talking
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  Speaker 1: Doug, here we are. Welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Talk a little Giants.
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  Speaker 1: The Giants. So, you know, for those that might not,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do this before, but for those that might
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  Speaker 1: not know you, kind of give us a little synopsis
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  Speaker 1: of who you are and what you do.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm a pastor for 25 years almost. Same church.
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  Speaker 4: We started a church called the Reformed Baptist Church of
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  Speaker 4: Northern Colorado in 2001. And we're just kind of outside
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  Speaker 4: of Boulder. And I've been doing that for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: And for some reason, I started writing. And so I
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  Speaker 4: kind of do that. I guess I have like 20
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  Speaker 4: books out now or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. And Doug has been instrumental in so many
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  Speaker 1: other people's perspectives on the whole idea of giants, the
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  Speaker 1: sons of God. And you got a new book out too,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll discuss as well. But this particular giants book is,
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  Speaker 1: you originally had written this in 2013, I think. And
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  Speaker 1: so now you have an expanded edition on it. So
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  Speaker 1: talk about what got you interested in this and then
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  Speaker 1: kind of jump us into, again, giants, seriously? I thought
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  Speaker 1: this is make-believe, isn't this Greek myth, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, as a pastor, you get asked
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  Speaker 4: from time to time, what do you think about Genesis 6?
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  Speaker 4: And I didn't really have a good answer. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: really have thought about it a whole lot. And I
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  Speaker 4: stumbled across Mike Heiser's stuff around 2008. He was giving
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  Speaker 4: away a early version of what became The Unseen Realm.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought when I read that book, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he talks about Nephilim in there and really gives a
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  Speaker 4: good explanation for what they are, where they came from,
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  Speaker 4: why it matters. But he only talks about them for
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  Speaker 4: like three chapters. And I thought, I think that there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot more that you could... unpack in the biblical
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  Speaker 4: text about who the giants are. So I just decided
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  Speaker 4: to see if what would happen if I wrote a
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  Speaker 4: kind of really a biblical theology from Genesis to Revelation
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  Speaker 4: about who the giants are, and that's what came out.
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  Speaker 1: What have you found, again, in the research, and you
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  Speaker 1: deal with a lot of things, is some churches, they
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  Speaker 1: tell the story of David and Goliath, but I guess
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  Speaker 1: in reality, they don't really believe it?
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  Speaker 4: Or they separate it out? I think they do. So
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  Speaker 4: I have an interesting story from a deacon in our
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  Speaker 4: church who was doing a Bible study at his house.
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  Speaker 4: And this was right when I was writing this. And
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  Speaker 4: I started talking about giants. And he would have none
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  Speaker 4: of it. I mean, absolutely none of it. He got
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  Speaker 4: really angry about it. The way his anger came out
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  Speaker 4: was in sleeping. Okay. He just started to go to
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  Speaker 4: sleep during the studies whenever I would talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: And I finally looked at him and said, what is
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  Speaker 4: your problem? He goes, giants are stupid. Why would I
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  Speaker 4: ever believe in that? And I said, why wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 4: You believe in Goliath, don't you? And he goes, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: of course. I go, well, he was a giant.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I said, have you ever looked into his lineage? And
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  Speaker 4: as soon as I said that, a light bulb went
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  Speaker 4: on for him that, look, I believe the Bible is
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  Speaker 4: God's word. I take it seriously. I've been taught about
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  Speaker 4: this one giant my whole life. What do you mean
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  Speaker 4: is lineage? And that opened the door for him. You
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  Speaker 4: have to find ways to get people to walk through
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  Speaker 4: the door that they are already comfortable with, but they
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  Speaker 4: just don't know it. And for a lot of people,
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  Speaker 4: I think Goliath is that way that you can do it.
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  Speaker 4: And the problem is in the modern church, we spiritualize
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  Speaker 4: stories like David and Goliath. So go out and slay
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  Speaker 4: all the Goliaths in your life. Like that's why this
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  Speaker 4: story is in the Bible. That's not why the story
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  Speaker 4: is in the Bible. That story is in the Bible
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  Speaker 4: because you need to understand that the seed of David,
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  Speaker 4: or the seed of, well, the seed of Jesus, the
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  Speaker 4: seed of the woman, the seed of Judah, David, is
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  Speaker 4: the one who's going to give birth to Messiah. And
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  Speaker 4: the whole thing has been promised since Genesis 3.15 that
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  Speaker 4: her seed is going to crush the head of the serpent.
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  Speaker 4: You start looking into who are the seed of the serpent? Well...
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  Speaker 4: There's a spiritual aspect to it. Pharisees are children of
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  Speaker 4: the devil, but that's really an internal heart problem. There's
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  Speaker 4: a biological seed, not necessarily of Satan himself, but of
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  Speaker 4: these beings called the watchers, the sons of God in
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  Speaker 4: Genesis six, that become like these opponents of Israel in
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  Speaker 4: the days of Abraham and the days of Moses, the
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  Speaker 4: days of Joshua. And David's really kind of the end
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  Speaker 4: of the physical part of this. And he crushes the
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  Speaker 4: head of this giant. He ends up taking the giant's
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  Speaker 4: head into Jerusalem. And like the legends are that Golgotha
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  Speaker 4: is actually named that the place of the skull, because
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  Speaker 4: that's where he took the head of the giant. And
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  Speaker 4: Jesus dies on this very spot. It's like the whole
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  Speaker 4: thing is messianically like typological, almost prophetic in terms of
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  Speaker 4: David crushing the head of the seed of the serpent.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, Nobody ever told me that growing up. They
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  Speaker 4: told me to slay the Goliaths in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where I find it fascinating where, again,
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  Speaker 1: you have this story that we tell kids. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even some kids will dress up, you know, but yet
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  Speaker 1: nothing in God's word is haphazard, but yet they're, as
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  Speaker 1: this deacon understood, what do you mean by lineage? And
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  Speaker 1: so maybe talk about, you know, Genesis 6, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the pre-flood, post-flood, you have all this idea. Talk about
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  Speaker 1: that and how, maybe expand a little bit, is what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, on how that developed in the Old Testament, especially,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the first five books, which of Moses
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  Speaker 1: are pretty phenomenal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Goliath's lineage goes to a fellow named Rapha. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's actually four other giants that are in
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  Speaker 4: that same story. They're all sons of Rapha. You learn
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  Speaker 4: that Rapha is like a proper name of a guy
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  Speaker 4: who was part of the Rephaim. And after the flood,
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  Speaker 4: there's all kinds of im or ite beings that are
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  Speaker 4: associated with giant tribes. Rephaim is the most well-known or
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  Speaker 4: the most spoken about, but you have Amorite, you have Zamzamim,
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  Speaker 4: go read your Deuteronomy chapter two, go read your Genesis 14.
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  Speaker 4: And you find all these beings are here and it's like, how, what?
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  Speaker 4: How'd these things get here? What's the origin of this? Well,
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  Speaker 4: that's where the Genesis 6 storyline comes in. In that place,
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  Speaker 4: they're called Nephilim. And Nephilim appears in the Genesis 6
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  Speaker 4: story to kind of tell you where they came from
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  Speaker 4: before the flood, but also after the flood. Because when
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  Speaker 4: Moses has the spies go into the promised land, they
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  Speaker 4: come back and they're like, there's giants in the land.
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  Speaker 4: And there they saw the Nephilim and they were like
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  Speaker 4: grasshoppers in their sight. These are the Amalekites. And you
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  Speaker 4: go back and you look, well, who are the Amalekites?
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  Speaker 4: You find out that this is one of the tribes
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  Speaker 4: that was in what I call the giant wars in
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  Speaker 4: Genesis 14 that precedes the whole lot event where he
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  Speaker 4: gets kidnapped and Abraham and Melchizedek meet and all this
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  Speaker 4: stuff is happening in that chapter. So where's this come from? Well,
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  Speaker 4: Genesis six is the origin of it. And then when
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  Speaker 4: you start doing a deep dive on what a Nephilim
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  Speaker 4: actually is, Then you understand the word actually means a giant.
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  Speaker 4: I hear this all the time, even from people that
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  Speaker 4: are in the Nephilim world. Nephilim does not mean fallen ones.
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  Speaker 4: It's a word play on the word Nephal. I don't
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  Speaker 4: have a problem with that. But it literally means a giant.
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  Speaker 4: It's an Aramaic loan word that was inserted into the
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  Speaker 4: text of Numbers 13 in order to explain to a
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  Speaker 4: later audience what's a Nephilim. Well, so there's a word
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  Speaker 4: in Aramaic, which is almost exactly similar to Hebrew, that
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  Speaker 4: means giant. And that's the word that he chose to use,
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  Speaker 4: or whoever the editor was in that case, where you
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  Speaker 4: have a form of the word Nephilim that can only
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  Speaker 4: be accounted for in the Aramaic. So they literally means giant.
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  Speaker 4: And the Septuagint, the Greek translation, translates it as giant.
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  Speaker 4: So how do you get giants if just people are
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  Speaker 4: marrying other people?
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  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back. We are talking to Doug Van Doren
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  Speaker 1: about his book, Giant Sons of God. And before the break, Doug,
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  Speaker 1: we were just talking about the risk. Again, as pastors... Um, we,
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  Speaker 1: we try to, um, to protect the flock and those
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  Speaker 1: that are, you know, that we're called to lead and
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  Speaker 1: to teach. But yet when we look out, sometimes you're like,
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  Speaker 1: and even sometimes people in the church, they, they kind
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  Speaker 1: of can freak out and they're very uncomfortable with it
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know why. Um, cause we do believe
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  Speaker 1: in a supernatural Bible.
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  Speaker 4: We do. I mean, I think we have probably some
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  Speaker 4: medieval theology that's creeping in about what angels are, what
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  Speaker 4: they aren't, um, what demons are, what they aren't that
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  Speaker 4: really aren't necessarily coming from biblical concepts. They're coming from
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  Speaker 4: philosophical concepts or, you know, things that theologians developed for
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  Speaker 4: right or wrong reasons. They've crept in and then they,
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  Speaker 4: then it becomes like in our mind. So you're telling
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  Speaker 4: me that an angel had relations with a woman and
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  Speaker 4: that's probably what happened. And then there's the kind of
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  Speaker 4: the whole DNA thing about that, that I don't know
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  Speaker 4: about that, but that seems to be the implication. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 4: how could that happen? You know, and you hear people say,
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  Speaker 4: angels are only immaterial. They have no bodies. That's not possible. Well,
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  Speaker 4: where'd you get that from? Yeah, where'd you get that?
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  Speaker 4: Did you read Genesis 18 where three angels come to
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  Speaker 4: Abraham and he washes their feet and they're having a
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  Speaker 4: dinner together? So, you know, we have these preconceptions that
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  Speaker 4: make it so that we think that the story can't
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  Speaker 4: say what it says. And then we just, we de-supernaturalize
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  Speaker 4: what the text says. Even though we believe in the supernatural...
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  Speaker 4: We have these filters that won't let us accept what
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  Speaker 4: the text is actually saying.
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  Speaker 1: So in the Bible, you're going to see certainly the
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  Speaker 1: narrative of the story, no doubt. What is the, let's
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  Speaker 1: go back for a moment, the theological ramifications of giants,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, coming there. And you said earlier, Genesis to Revelation.
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  Speaker 1: So talk about the theology of the giants, which again,
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  Speaker 1: these are real. It's not typological. These are real physical beings.
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  Speaker 1: But how does the theology, what does God want us
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  Speaker 1: to understand?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's important that they are real. Goliath
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  Speaker 4: was 10 feet tall. I mean, that's not a metaphorical giant.
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  Speaker 4: That's literally, I wouldn't want to, and they're described as being,
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  Speaker 4: you know, well-built. They're not like these gangly, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people that you see that might reach until today. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's not what it is. Like they are, they're hulks.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, in every sense of the word.
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  Speaker 1: And we have the language of the, in case some
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  Speaker 1: people say, oh, he wasn't really, It gives us the weights.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the spear tip weighs 15 pounds, let alone the
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  Speaker 4: spear's like a weaver's beam or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: 130 pounds of armor. No, you and I aren't going
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  Speaker 1: to do that and be successful. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, just on that level alone, it's theologically
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  Speaker 4: important because you're learning to read the text as... literally
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  Speaker 4: when you're supposed to read it literally. So one thing,
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  Speaker 4: if it's a metaphor, it's not a metaphor. These are
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  Speaker 4: the descriptions they give us. So that's by itself is
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  Speaker 4: important to learn to take the Bible on its own ground.
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  Speaker 4: But really the giants are telling us a story. Like
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  Speaker 4: I said, from Genesis 3.15, there's a promise that God
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  Speaker 4: gives as in the form of a curse to the serpent,
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  Speaker 4: that the woman's going to have a seed and that
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  Speaker 4: that seed is going to crush the head of the serpent.
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  Speaker 4: That's ultimately fulfilled in Jesus. But there's a war that
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  Speaker 4: the Bible details really from Genesis to Esther. I have
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  Speaker 4: my last chapter until we get to the New Testament
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  Speaker 4: is actually on Esther. Esther, giants in the Bible? Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: in a way, because the chief opponent, Haman comes from
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  Speaker 4: the lineage of Agag. So you go, well, who's Agag?
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  Speaker 4: And you find out that Agag is this king that
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  Speaker 4: Samuel hacks to pieces because they were supposed to kill everybody,
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  Speaker 4: including the king, and Saul didn't do it. But you
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  Speaker 4: find out that Agag comes from the Amalekites and that
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  Speaker 4: the Amalekites are the giants in Genesis 14. And so
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  Speaker 4: the lineage is telling you that there is a biblical
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  Speaker 4: story of the seed of the woman fighting the seed
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  Speaker 4: of the serpent that goes back to Genesis 6. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this is what the point of the wars
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  Speaker 4: of Joshua were for, where he's supposed to exterminate every man, woman, child,
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  Speaker 4: because this is an abomination that has happened again post-flood.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a spiritual component, which is that everybody in
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  Speaker 4: the days of the New Testament, we have all kinds
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  Speaker 4: of resources for this, believed that when a Nephilim died,
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  Speaker 4: because it had a heavenly father and an earthly mother,
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  Speaker 4: that it didn't belong either to earth or heaven. It
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  Speaker 4: belongs somewhere in the middle in the air. Even Augustine
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  Speaker 4: kind of talks about this and he denies the reality.
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  Speaker 4: There's a wild in the city of God. But so
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  Speaker 4: they believe that when an Nephilim dies, it becomes an
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  Speaker 4: unclean spirit. And these are the entities Jesus is confronting
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  Speaker 4: in his ministry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just stop there for a minute, because when
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  Speaker 1: you read the Old Testament, it's pretty difficult to find
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  Speaker 1: a demon. You know, there's a few places for sure
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  Speaker 1: that are mentioned, but the Old Testament is a big book.
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  Speaker 1: When you come to the New Testament, you're immediately like,
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  Speaker 1: You know, Luke chapter 4, Matthew 8, like demons that
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  Speaker 1: seem to be on every page. Like, where did these
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  Speaker 1: come from? I don't read about it.
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  Speaker 4: Why do I care?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And why were they attacking Jesus?
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  Speaker 4: And that's the storyline. Well, first of all, they're the
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  Speaker 4: only ones that seem to recognize who he is. And
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  Speaker 4: they call him the Son of God, which gets to
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  Speaker 4: what we just talked about in another episode on Battle
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  Speaker 4: for the Bible's Truth. That the sons of God thing,
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  Speaker 4: this is what Jesus is claiming to be a heavenly being. Well,
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  Speaker 4: these are, they recognize him. And they're unclean spirits. According
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  Speaker 4: to the Levitical law, unclean thing is something that's mixed.
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  Speaker 4: It's a mixed kind. What's the mixture? Well, angelic and human.
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  Speaker 4: And so Jesus is casting them out, which is the
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  Speaker 4: same story that you're reading about in Enoch and in
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  Speaker 4: the other literature that's circulating at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that's what I find fascinating is when
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  Speaker 1: you show up in the New Testament. And again, we're
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  Speaker 1: learning the theology here. I mean, there's Jesus reading in
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  Speaker 1: the synagogue and boom, a demoniac arises or, you know, others,
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  Speaker 1: they're naming him and they're challenging his mission.
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  Speaker 4: And the timing of it, like, what are you doing
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  Speaker 4: here now? I thought we had a little bit more time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't send us, you know, don't send us to
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  Speaker 1: the abyss before the time. So yeah, they're surprised, but
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  Speaker 1: yet also you see Jesus coming and the crowd, even
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  Speaker 1: the demons obey him. So it's showing the superiority of
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  Speaker 1: him in everything, surely. And the storyline, too. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So he's showing his superiority over them in his ministry.
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  Speaker 4: But then it's ultimately his death where it's not just
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  Speaker 4: the demons, but it's also the powers that are over them,
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  Speaker 4: call them the fathers or whatever, that Jesus is crushing
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  Speaker 4: their heads. He is, you know. The very center of
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  Speaker 4: John's gospel is now will the ruler of this world
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  Speaker 4: be cast out when the son of man is lifted up,
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  Speaker 4: talking about his death. This becomes their legal defeat. They
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  Speaker 4: no longer are able to have the kind of power
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  Speaker 4: that they once had over people, which is why, first
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  Speaker 4: of all, you see Gentiles starting to convert as soon
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  Speaker 4: as Pentecost happens. And Paul makes comments about this, like
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  Speaker 4: if they would have understood this, They never would have
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  Speaker 4: crucified the Lord of Glory. Well, who's they? Well, it's
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  Speaker 4: not just Herod and Pontius Pilate. It's the authorities and
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  Speaker 4: the supernatural powers, the archons of this present age. Why
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  Speaker 4: are they putting him to death? Because this was part
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  Speaker 4: of the ultimate battle of the seed of the serpent
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  Speaker 4: being crushed.
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  Speaker 1: They got greedy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. They thought that they were going to take
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  Speaker 4: him out, and he ends up crushing their head at
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  Speaker 4: that very moment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the power of, again, of New Testament theology.
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  Speaker 1: And again, the whole premise that, that's what I love
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• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it had so much powerful influence to the rest of,
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  Speaker 3: Scripture tells us what happened. A group of rebellious.
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  Speaker 2: Angels abandoned their heavenly dwelling, came to earth, and fathered
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  Speaker 2: a race of hybrid giants. Yet, despite the clear language
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  Speaker 2: of Genesis 6, several well-known theologians reject this interpretation in
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  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back. We are with Doug Van Doren. And Doug,
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  Speaker 1: some of the things you've done recently, so here you
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  Speaker 1: have giants, the grand theology, but yet you just also
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: came out with another book, The Battle for the Bible's Truth,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: where certainly the sons of God comes to play in that.
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  Speaker 1: Give us a short synopsis of that.
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  Speaker 4: Right. So the Genesis 6 event is dealing with these
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: sons of God creatures. That's their title, at least in
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  Speaker 4: the Bible. They're called other things, other places like watchers
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  Speaker 4: or angels or whatever. But There happened to be a
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: battle in the second century that was started by a
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  Speaker 4: certain rabbi who placed a curse on anyone who would
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  Speaker 4: call them sons of God, which is wild because that's
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  Speaker 4: literally what the text calls them. So you're not allowed
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  Speaker 4: to call them what the text calls them. You have
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  Speaker 4: to call them what I tell you they are. And
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  Speaker 4: he called them like sons of nobles or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: So in that case, it was a conspiracy to change the,
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  Speaker 4: universal meaning of what the sons of God are, that
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  Speaker 4: actually then spreads to other texts, such as Deuteronomy 32, 8,
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  Speaker 4: where they not only changed the meaning, but they changed
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  Speaker 4: a word. They actually got rid of the word sons
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  Speaker 4: of God, Elohim, and they replaced it with sons of Israel,
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  Speaker 4: which isn't even close in the Hebrew or the Greek.
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  Speaker 4: You find them dropping in some cases, like a they
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  Speaker 4: drop out an entire sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's just gone. That, that it appears in the Dead
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  Speaker 4: Sea Scrolls.
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  Speaker 1: And in Hebrew, the book of Hebrews, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to read it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And in Hebrews, right. That's a great one because Hebrews
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  Speaker 4: is quoting. It's like you go back and you read, dude,
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  Speaker 4: it's not there.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Where did it go?
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  Speaker 4: How, what happened? So yeah, there was a conspiracy, especially
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  Speaker 4: surrounding this title sons of God. And the reason why
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  Speaker 4: is because Jesus was claiming to be the son of God,
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  Speaker 4: citing Psalm 82. And, uh, They knew exactly what he meant.
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  Speaker 4: It was a supernatural title that hearkens back to these
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  Speaker 4: angelic beings. And that's why Jesus is like, I came
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  Speaker 4: from heaven. I was sent by my father to come
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  Speaker 4: here as one of you, and I will be taken
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  Speaker 4: back up, you know, and nobody else can do that
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  Speaker 4: except for the son of God, you know? And well,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: they wanted to kill him for blasphemy for saying it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what the Doug's new book is phenomenal because
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he documents this conspiracy more than anybody that has ever
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: seen before. which is great. And ultimately, it's not that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: we can't trust the Bible, but it just reminds us that, again,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: we have to do our homework. And there was a
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  Speaker 1: specific goal to hide and obscure the nature of the
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  Speaker 1: sons of God and Jesus, again, being the supreme, the
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  Speaker 1: son of God, the unique one as it relates to
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  Speaker 1: the gospel. So, I mean, as we wrap up here
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  Speaker 1: in the last minute, you know, obviously you've written so
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  Speaker 1: much on it. And what's your takeaway to the audience,
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  Speaker 1: especially as a pastor? You know, they're hearing all this
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, that's a little bit maybe over my head,
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  Speaker 1: but what do you want them to grasp through all this?
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  Speaker 4: You know, this is what just popped in my head
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  Speaker 4: for this is how ironic it is that there was
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  Speaker 4: a conspiracy among Jewish rabbis to destroy the ability of
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  Speaker 4: their own people to see supernatural. And yet that crept
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  Speaker 4: its way into the Christian church. And we too, because
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  Speaker 4: of their evil plot, have in certain places de-supernaturalized the
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  Speaker 4: very text that early Christians were using to prove that
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  Speaker 4: Jesus is the Messiah to the point where we get
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  Speaker 4: angry about this issue, thinking that you're a heretic or
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: something like that for talking about there being sons of God,
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  Speaker 4: being angels in Genesis 6, not realizing that the origin
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  Speaker 4: of their very belief does not come from the scripture.
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  Speaker 4: It comes from an anti-Jesus doctrine. anger and hatred that
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  Speaker 4: was so intolerant that it felt it needed to actually
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  Speaker 4: change the text of Holy Scripture in certain places.
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  Speaker 1: Amen, Doug. I appreciate your time. And this is really,
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  Speaker 1: I find it fascinating. And as Doug said, it's very,
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  Speaker 1: very sad because as we look at the Jewish people today,
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  Speaker 1: Romans 11, 26 says, in the future, all Israel will
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  Speaker 1: be saved. And so I do anticipate a revival of them,
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  Speaker 1: but They have a big hurdle to get over because
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  Speaker 1: of what has happened in, again, in I would say
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  Speaker 1: rabbinic Judaism in hiding these things about who Jesus is,
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  Speaker 1: what the Bible said he would be. And so at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, we don't want to get
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  Speaker 1: sucked into those same errors. So thanks for listening. Thanks
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