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State of College Football: The Good, The Bad, and The Future · The Extra Point

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What's up y'all? You're listening to the Extra
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Point College Football podcast. I'm your host Jacob Carnes,
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joined as always by my Co host Daniel Hammock.
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Daniel, on today's episode we are going to talk through the
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state of college football. I think we we've mentioned it a
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good bit in the offseason, but here's kind of what we're going
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to go over is what's the state of our sport right now?
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How are things looking? What do we love about the sport?
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What's the state of NIL and the transfer portal?
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Where are things? Where do we see them going?
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What would be our perfect vision for the future for these areas?
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The College Football Playoff, the schedule for our sport right
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now, officiating and anything else that comes up, We're just
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going to bundle it into what's, you know, state of the Union
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count, what's the state of our country, state of college
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football, what's the state of our sport right now?
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I'm excited to dive in. Daniel, we look, I'm just going
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to say we've talked about a pre show.
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We're going to try our best not to sound like grumpy old men.
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So to begin, Daniel, give me your opening statement, theory,
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conclusion. What is the state of our sport
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in college football right now? Ladies and gentlemen, my fellow
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Americans. That's right.
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Dude, college football is great, all right?
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It's been great. It's great.
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It's awesome. Currently, I think that there is
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a lot of uneasiness. If I was going to give like one
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way to describe everybody, uneasiness, uncertainty, I think
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there's a ton of potential. And so I think that that's
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what's driving a lot of these decisions.
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And so right now, there's just a lot of change.
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And I don't say that flippantly. There's change, whether it be,
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you know, the NIL and the portal.
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And those almost have become buzzwords because they've
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changed. But for 150 years, nothing
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changed. And then the span of four years,
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things have changed extremely drastically.
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And, you know, it took all that, you know, we got to, you know,
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not to go too far back. But, you know, we got BCS 98.
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And then 2014 you get the College Football Playoff, four
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teams that still felt like a very gradual change.
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There has been very, I'll say volatility is a good way to
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describe it, like the market volatility.
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Things have changed so much each year going to the 12 team
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playoff and I'll transfer portal, all that stuff.
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I do get a sense that the market is somewhat coming to a
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correction. So we'll get into that a little
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bit and kind of get into some of the details, but there's just a
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lot of things that feel like they are loose ends that need to
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be tied up so that the sport can be preserved.
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And the things we love about the sport can remain that.
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And we can even improve upon things that we're not as good
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even when we, you know, loved it.
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And maybe they could even get better.
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So we talked about the schedule. We talked about all kinds of
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things. Yeah, I'm excited to see it.
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Daniel I think college football is the biggest it's ever been.
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More people are watching it than have ever watched our sport.
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And the on the field and on TV product is also the most
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entertaining it's ever been. And the sport's huge.
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And I still don't think that college football has hit its
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potential. I think it's very common to dip
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into a little bit about what I love.
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But, you know, I want to say at that point, it's the most change
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we've gone through, at least in our lifetime probably that the
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sports ever seen. Not all that's good change.
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I think some of it has been good.
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Daniel, I did a project in college at Kennesaw State Go
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Alice where I I forget what class was for, but I had to
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convince someone it was a lit class because I had to present
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like a persuading argument. But we had to make like a
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website videos like a semester long project, like kind of like
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our capstone thing. And I did mine on why college
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athletes deserve to be paid. And this was back in 2014 in the
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fall and I talked about how was a multi billion dollar a year
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industry. And it's funny because that
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season, Daniel, you and I are Georgia fans.
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And that was the season Todd Gurley, I suspended six games
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for 1200 bucks for signing autographs.
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And wasn't the guy who paid for the autographs also turned him
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in? Was that right?
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While anyway, that happens in the midst of me doing this
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project and I was convinced and I'm old school, Daniel, we're
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both old school and but I was convinced.
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I'm like college athletes have to be paid.
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It's and then of course, that happens in the middle of my
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project and I'm like that. So again, we've made some good
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changes. We've made some progress and the
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college athletes can be paid for not only their name, image and
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likeness, but pay for play as well, which I also argued for
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then. So a lot of change like you
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mentioned, but I do have hope for the future if the right
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people can get their hands on the steering wheel of our sport.
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And my caution I'll start with is there's a great book by Bill
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Connolly called I have to look on my shelf because forward
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progress. Thank you.
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I'm like, it's over there on the bookshelf.
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Bill Connolly's book for progress.
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He talks, he opens the book with NASCAR.
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And look, NASCAR's kind of had a revival the last couple years.
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But if you see why, it's because they're kind of going back to
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the roots. They're trying to re attract
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their old fan base because for years NASCAR said don't worry
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about the diehards. Those people will always be
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there. And slowly but surely they made
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a lot of changes. They made the sport
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unrecognizable to their biggest fans and their biggest fans
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walked away because they said don't worry about the diehards.
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They're never going to leave. I just want to my first caution
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and I'm going to we're going to dive into what we love is
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college football. Please don't say don't worry
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about the diehards. They'll never leave because I
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promise you, there's enough entertaining stuff nowadays that
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people, I think it would take a lot, a lot for people to walk
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away from college football again.
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It's the biggest it's ever been. But don't always assume your
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diehards will be there. I think that's where college
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football's at right now. Daniel, let's look.
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We're not just going to complain here for 60 minutes.
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What do you love about college football right now?
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Yeah. I mean, this is something that I
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love, especially being in the SEC footprint.
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I feel like being in the South, we can, it's not even, you know,
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there's some states like Louisiana where you can walk
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around and every house is an LSU house.
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And then in the state like Georgia, and especially in
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metropolitan Atlanta, I mean, they're every house could be a
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different, you know, allegiance. They could have gone to a
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different, you know, there's plenty of Auburn people in the
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state of in the state of Georgia, in the city of Atlanta,
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plenty of Alabama people, plenty of obviously Georgia Tech you've
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got, but any, anyone. So my favorite, it's truly the
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rivalries. I think that being able to argue
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for your team against somebody, to have a healthy hatred for
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someone else, their team. I mean, not like specifically
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them, but this, this is where hatred is welcomed.
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You're supposed to hate this team.
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You're supposed to want the worst for that team.
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You're supposed to want them to fire their coach, things like
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that. Traditions, pageantry, as you
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know, if I'm going to steal one from Kirk Kerb St. and Brent
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Musburger and all of them. But I think, I think just the
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the romanticized college football.
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I love opening weekend, You know, that Labor Day weekend, I
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feel like it's just so pure. There's so much going on, so
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much anticipation. Everybody feels like it's their
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year. Some people are lying to
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themselves, but it's definitely, you know, that.
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And then of course, rivalry weekend.
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Of course I mentioned rivalries, rivalry weekend after
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Thanksgiving. That's just like, you know,
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those kind of tent poles of the season just kind of feel like,
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hey, this is this is special. These can't go away.
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They need to stay, you know, and it it kind of like intertwines
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into your life. You know, it's not just a sport.
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It's like part of your, you know, family discussions.
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My family, we're always discussing college football, You
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know, we gather around, you know, Thanksgiving.
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It's like that's top of mind, you know, So I like especially,
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you know, in the South how it will be part of, you know, your
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family culture, your family history, rivalries.
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I mean, yeah, that's that's what I love about the sport.
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The regular season, every game feels like a big deal.
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Yeah, I mean, that that was something I was going to call
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out is Saturday's still still feel like ultra important in the
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moment. And when that feeling goes away,
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I think that's when I will start to love the sport less.
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And maybe in hindsight, we come record on Tuesday and we're
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like, man, that result felt so big.
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And it kind of didn't really matter as it comes to the
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playoff or at the end of the season.
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But I mean, Josh Pate continually says this.
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But when when the ball is spotted and it's third down and
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eight with 5 minutes to go in the 4th, how do you feel?
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And that still feels not only amazing, it feels the biggest
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it's ever felt. It still feels ultra important,
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ultra urgent. I think that more eyes on the
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sport has caused a lot of good things.
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Several of those things are look, more of the country is
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getting to see cool small towns, cool small college towns that
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are getting put on the national stage.
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And I hope that only increases and I hope more schools don't
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get left behind. We're not we're not talking
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about problems yet. Pullman, WA, we see you all
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right. We love you.
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More money equals better environments.
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These game day Staffs are having to compete with one another and
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improve their game day environments in stadium, not
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just to look good on TV, but also for the people there
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because they're competing with TV where millions more people
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are watching their games. And so more eyes equals more
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money equals better game day environments.
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And lastly, Daniel, there's more premiere Matt.
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There's there's several things I don't like about Coventry
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alignment. One of the things I do like is
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you are getting more premier matchups in conference and those
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games feel huge. I mean, I think about we've
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gotten in the last two seasons 3 versions of Georgia, Texas, and
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that has felt like a new rivalry almost and it has felt ultra
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important. The SEC on ABC, I didn't
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mention, you know, obviously a big CBS fans, you know, all
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those years, yes. But then we always haven't.
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You know, love the music and all that stuff, but truthfully, the
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SEC realigning and going to ABC, that three window, you know,
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sometimes it's like those are the best three games of the day
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and it's all three are on ABC. And you know, I'm going to flip
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around because I'm going to check everything out.
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But the magnitude of those games like you're saying?
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, Ohio State, Oregon,
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Oregon, Penn State, Alabama, Oklahoma, like these are premier
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in conference games that are deciding the fates of
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conferences. Michigan, USC, like premier
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brands, they're going to get played more often.
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I think that's been a positive. Part of comfort tree alignment
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is I love these premier matchups in conference, but specifically
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and the Big 10 and the SEC again, don't love the problems
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they caused. But I will agree that hey, if
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you're asking me what do you mean you don't love Michigan US,
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Of course I love Michigan USC like of like of course I do.
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Of course I'm going to watch is our.
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Uniform matchup of the year? Yeah, come on.
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Come on now. That's why I called that one.
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Out nice. A lot to love about college and
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and I kind of said like, what do we love right now?
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And I was kind of doing based off the chain.
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There's so much more I love by college football, Daniel.
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I love that there's still, like you mentioned, pageantry,
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tradition, uniforms, cheerleaders, uniforms,
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tailgating. Like there's something about the
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environment in on a college football Saturday, especially in
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person and to surround the game that you don't get with the NFL
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because tailgating on a college campus is so different than in
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some lame parking lot stadium. You know, MetLife is this way.
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AT&T Stadium's this way where it's just like stadium built on
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a huge slab of pavement with 1000 parking places.
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And that's where your tailgating is.
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And that's not as cool as, you know, being on North campus and,
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you know, sailgating at Tennessee and Washington and,
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you know, insert your college campus here.
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And the pageantry and the tradition of the sport is still
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unrivalled by any other sport in this country.
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And it's what makes college football really special.
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And you mentioned rivalries. Absolutely.
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Fight songs, uniforms, yes, we're gonna have plenty of
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tradition stuff to talk about on another episode.
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So lots of love about college football.
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Daniel. Let's dive into one of the heavy
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hitters. 2 of the biggest changes in the last few years of
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our sport have been NIL. And let's also just call it what
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it is, paying players to play college football, right?
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Players being able to make money and also the transfer portal.
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And instead of this being an incremental change where OK
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players can now make money for autographs and OK, now there's a
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one time free transfer rule. And now it was just kind of
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like, whoops, the incident delay has mishandled this for the last
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two decades. Plus floodgates opened.
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We kind of get pay for play and free agency every offseason and
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actually until last year, twice a year in college football.
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Right. You can go do whatever you want.
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Their honor. There are no rules.
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And I think these have been the two biggest changes to our sport
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ever. Yeah.
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Let's start with Nil. Daniel, where's Nil right now?
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What, what, what? What do you like about Nil?
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What do you what do you not like?
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What do you wish we could change?
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If you're in charge and you can kind of cast the vision for for
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our sport here. Well, I think that, you know,
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we've for so long wanted to be able to pay players and that's a
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good thing. That's good, especially with how
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much is been going on. And you know, you start to look
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at all of the rules of amateurism of the past where
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like these guys couldn't even have like a part time job if
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they were on scholarship and they couldn't, there are so many
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like little things they couldn't do that would cause them to, you
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know, be ineligible. It it was one of those things
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where it was obviously needed to change.
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Now, nil is what it was called and as far as you know for name,
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image, likeness, that was something that we were expecting
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to change. It has turned in exactly what
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you talked about, where is pay for play, which is different.
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I just think that there needs to be more regulation and that's
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going to come from a governing body.
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There needs to be regulation, there needs to be
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accountability. And you know, the market's going
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to correct itself to a certain extent.
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Like some of these boosters are not going to be like, boy, I
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would love to just give you $3,000,000 every year in
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perpetuity so that we can sign this guy and sign that guy and
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then have a, you know, losing season or something.
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Like, you know, there's going to be fatigue that happens and will
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cause some course corrections that will take time and, you
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know, a lot of this money being spent.
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But if we can get some sort of regulation, I'm not saying that
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necessary has to be a salary cap, but every other sport that
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deals with money like this, there is a salary cap or a
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luxury tax in baseball. So you got to kind of get that
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kind of a mindset or and it's both ways accountability.
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These college players are taking money and then leaving and then
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they're, you know, you're starting to see them get sued by
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their previous school. There's a lot of legalities that
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are happening. I think that nil and transfer
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portal can work together right now they're working against each
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other and they are causing all these additional problems.
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So you know, the ways you can get to work together, which you
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know, I know we're not talking transfer portal, but I would, I
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would say that, you know, if you did go to a one time transfer
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rule, like 1 portal window a year, which is what they've
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already done, you know, good on them for like making the step
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towards that. You could fix signing day, but I
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think ultimately if you could get it to, hey, you get one free
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transfer is what it should have been out of the gate instead of
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free for all because it went from you can't transfer unless
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you're going to sit out a year to, you know, you can transfer
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if you're unless, as long as you have a hardship or if you're a
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graduate, you can transfer and and play right away to then now
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with the transfer portal, they're like just do whatever
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you want all the time. So if we could do a one time
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transfer, I think that that's fair.
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That way kids make mistakes. They make hasty decisions at 18,
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I don't think they should be penalized for making that
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decision. They get one free transfer and
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then when you graduate, you can then transfer again.
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I think that also incentivizes them to stay in school and to
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kind of finish what they started because as the old NCAA
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commercials say, not everybody goes pro and football.
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They GoPro and something else. So keep that in mind.
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And then, you know, you do have some assurances in there like if
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your head coach gets fired or quits, like you're going to be
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able to have an additional like you get to go in the portal and
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and have a free transfer. I think that's fair.
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So then I think that just limits it puts just a small amount of
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guardrails on it and it basically stops all this
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indecision. And I think it also forces the
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schools to be more loyal and who they're taking right now.
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You've got schools that are pushing guys into the portal
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because they're wanting to bring in another guy.
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And I think it's just de emphasizing high school
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recruiting and overall it could ultimately lead to the decay of
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the sport if they don't do something about it.
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So I think if they do that, it would cause there to be maybe a
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contract for the NIL where it's a multi year thing and maybe
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they are paying players as they get older rather than paying
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the, you know, it's not sustainable to pay freshmen more
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than you're paying a senior unless they are the main
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contributor. I should say pay a starter
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versus, you know, an incoming backup freshman or something
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like that developmental guy. So anyways, that's my long
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preamble. I think that it's going to take
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a governing body to put these things into place, but that's
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what I would do. Yeah, I have to begin my
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argument with we need a CBA and a governing body and enforcement
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because right now we don't have that.
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And here's the thing Daniel, I have been anti government
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intervention for the whole time. I'm like anything but Congress
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getting involved. They do ruin a lot of stuff.
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They read a lot of stuff and at this point I'm like anything to
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get involved. Like if anyone wants to get
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involved in ads and guardrails, by all means.
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I don't think any fan or writer or pundit in the sport can look
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at the camera or look at me in the eyes and be like, no, like
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this is exactly how it should be.
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This is good. This is good for the sport.
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Everything about this is perfect.
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We don't need to change a thing. I don't think it even if you're
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the beneficiary of good Portal classes or you are Texas Tech
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and you can just outspend everybody in your conference to
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go build a roster that can pretty much walk into the Big 12
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championship game every year. I don't even think those fans
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would tell you that they love the fact that there's no rules
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and no enforcement, right? And so we need enforcement.
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As you said, that gets a great point.
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And I'm I'm kind of tying these two at this point with both
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together in my own portal is that we need public contracts.
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And I think this only comes unfortunately with a CBA with
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collective bargain like the NFL has where either the conference
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or we're not going to talk about this today.
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But and I I wasn't planning on it.
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Whatever is next, whether it's a Super League and it is the Big
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10 and the SEC and it is called like, you know, the college
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Football League or whatever. C what is that college CFL?
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Nope. That's the thing.
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That's already anyway. There is a league of college
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football. Where the money is coming, just
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like the NFL. You know when you get paid by
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the Falcons, your check actually comes from the NFL, not the
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Falcons. Because anyway that that's how
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they can enforce contracts. There's no free trades.
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Everything is collectively bargained between the NFLPA and
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the NFL anyway. We need something like that in
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college football so that we can know what these contracts are
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because players are signing multi year contracts.
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We just don't know it. We have no idea what the buyout
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is. We have no idea what they're
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getting paid. Everything is kept in secret,
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which is why I think I have a lot of frustration.
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And I think why a lot of fans have a lot of frustration is,
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you know, you see these articles where it's like we talked to 10
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GMs from college football teams and anonymously, here's what
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they had to say. And they think this school is
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paying $40 million for a roster. And, you know, spending has
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gone. This is a static spending.
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The the average cost for a roster went up 50 to 60% this
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year. Fans don't know and honestly
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don't care. The NFL has done a really good
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job of making fans actually care about this stuff.
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And you're a lot more likely with this than I am, Daniel, Of
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like salary caps. And can you meet the cap?
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And they were supposed to be a salary cap, Daniel.
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But none of it's being enforced because there's not a unifying
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governing body. There needs to be 1.
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And I'm not counting on the NCAA to be that.
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I think they they made their bed.
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They're gonna have to lie in it. The NCAA is dead.
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There's nothing they can do. So that's why overall to say the
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sport, Danny, I want to Fast forward to the next chapter,
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whatever's next. My first thing is we need public
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contracts and like you said, with enforcement, the governing
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body. I like your idea for one
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transfer. I don't know if I think the
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contracts would solve that and that, you know, hey, this player
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signed a three-year contract, this one signed a 1.
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So we at least know at the end of this season this player's on
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the market and these are not. So I think contracts could solve
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the that's. Fair, mine is trying to avoid a
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CBA potentially but if you go CBA then absolutely let's and.
22:08
Look, you signed a player at a high school and you get you get
22:10
a player who's like, I'm going to bet on myself and sign a one
22:13
year deal. That's fine.
22:14
And you have a player who's like, I want to stay here and be
22:16
developed or hey, you know what, this is my maybe my best offer
22:20
is from Kennesaw State. Georgia offered me a one year
22:22
deal because they don't know Kennesaw State offered me a
22:25
four. I'm going to go there and then
22:27
you'll here's where I want to steal from the Premier League.
22:28
This is this is a pipe dream. This one's not.
22:30
Real. Yeah.
22:31
I think, I think public contracts is are realistic.
22:34
I think that instead of, you know, transfer windows, I think
22:38
if you get ACBA players signing different levels of contract
22:42
even out of high school is realistic.
22:43
But I think it's not realistic is the Premier League and other
22:46
soccer teams, they have transfer fees.
22:48
Have we talked about this on this podcast?
22:50
We haven't. OK.
22:51
Have you and I talked about it? I mean, we're talking a little
22:55
bit maybe I know about transfer fees.
22:57
OK, OK. I'm like, so you're, you're
22:59
familiar if you're not familiar if Manchester United, a big
23:03
soccer team in England, wants to, you know, let's say some
23:07
other smaller team, AFC Richmond, it's a made-up team
23:10
from Ted Lasso, has a player that they identified at 14 years
23:15
old. Danny Rojas.
23:16
And they brought in to their, they brought it and they've
23:19
developed them and trained them. And now he's this 18 year old
23:22
sensation, one of the best players in the world.
23:26
But he is under contract with AFC Richmond, you know, until
23:31
he's 22, while Manchester United not only can buy him out of this
23:36
contract and pay him a new contract.
23:39
That's that currently happens in college football when when
23:41
school's it's just not talking about publicly is players do
23:44
have buyout clauses that currently happens.
23:47
But there's an added transfer fee and that is negotiated of in
23:52
addition, Manchester United's going to pay just straight up
23:55
cash to AFC Richmond of and there's been record transfer
24:00
fees. I couldn't say at the top of my
24:01
head, but I mean, $25 million transfer fee because Daniel,
24:05
what this could do is this could keep the group of five healthy.
24:09
Yeah. Is when you have these group of
24:11
five schools who identify A2 star or a three star and develop
24:15
them right now, you know what the group of high school gets
24:18
when that player blows up and go gets taken by, you know, a
24:20
Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, they get nothing.
24:23
They get laughed at, they get spin on, they get a middle
24:25
finger and told to have a good day.
24:27
And by the way, you're also not getting the TV contract that,
24:30
you know, these inner schools are getting.
24:32
You're not going to get much money anyway.
24:33
This could help, you know, because I know what the schedule
24:36
stuff a lot of major coaches have talked about, we have to
24:39
keep these cupcake games to, you know, it helps give money to
24:42
these smaller athletic departments.
24:45
This could help solve that problem of you pay a transfer
24:48
fee to Toledo and now they've got 20 million bucks to go buy a
24:52
roster. You know, like I don't think it
24:54
would be that much, but. They have to be a great play.
24:56
Of a pipe dream. They signed Bo Jackson, the real
25:00
Bo Jackson, and then. The real 1, so OK transfer fee,
25:04
I was like, I had to explain that one.
25:06
I like that we've changed to 1 portal window in in the short
25:10
term, yeah. Because and it's as of course
25:12
spring. So I think that's a good spot
25:15
for it to be. As a fan, I just want to enter
25:18
spring practice and know who's going to be on my roster through
25:20
the year. It was weird this year to
25:22
actually because of the past couple years, I heard I was
25:24
listening to Chuck Oliver here in Atlanta and he was talking
25:28
about maybe Missouri or some coach.
25:30
And he was like, yeah, they, you know, they know who their
25:34
quarterbacks are on their roster.
25:37
They have them. They have to figure out.
25:39
And he said his his explanation was that he was talking about
25:44
just in general. Previously, because of that
25:47
portal window, you have been seeing coaches pretending like
25:51
they don't know who their quarterback is until they
25:53
announced in August. And now they will say, yeah, in
25:58
the spring, hey, this is our guy.
26:00
That way the summer workouts, which are usually player LED,
26:03
they will have, you know that that quarterback will say, hey,
26:07
I'm, I'm the guy. He'll go knock on doors, hey,
26:09
come, let's go, you know, throw routes, that kind of thing.
26:12
So I think you'll see a shift a little bit this year where we
26:15
haven't seen the past couple years.
26:16
So that's good. And again, something we love as
26:20
parents of young kids. Hopefully this means spring
26:23
games can stay around and several schools cancels either
26:27
canceled them all together or didn't want to put them on TV
26:30
because they're like, I'm not going to televise my second and
26:33
third stringers for school aid to come and swoop in and right.
26:38
And, and I don't, I don't blame schools for doing that, but as a
26:41
fan. It hurts us.
26:43
The portal is already over, it hurts.
26:44
We are the ones that get hurt in this.
26:46
So hopefully this means we can keep spring games that I mean,
26:50
those are the perfect days to take kids to.
26:52
It's fun to watch when we're missing football and it's been
26:55
months since it's been on and it's March and April and Clemson
26:58
has a spring game today. I can't wait to.
27:01
It's something to have on. You know, it's it's it's real
27:03
football's tape to watch. OK, I'm trying to make sure I
27:07
have on my points here, Daniel. OK, hate the secrecy.
27:10
I talked about no rules, the gap from the haves and haves nots we
27:13
could solve. Here's something else I think
27:15
you're starting to see. Wisconsin's a good example this
27:17
year. I think you're going to, and
27:19
Florida did it last year. I think you're going to see
27:21
teams. This is a positive thing of NIL
27:23
is give coaches a longer leash. This goes both ways, but you
27:31
could fire a coach and pay them a buyout, or you could take that
27:33
money that you might already have and invest it back into a
27:36
roster and give them one more year, which Wisconsin did this
27:39
year. They didn't fire Luke Fickle,
27:41
and apparently they're one of the biggest spenders this season
27:43
for players in the in high school and transfer recruiting.
27:46
And how contracts work, their buyout gets less.
27:49
So if they squander that, you're not necessarily out that money,
27:53
you're just going to pay the buyout the next year.
27:55
But it's probably, yeah, $10 million less than it was, you
27:59
know, when you fire them the following year.
28:01
I have a point I want to make about the one transfer window.
28:04
Yeah, but I want to get to the schedule because I'm gonna save
28:09
it for that because I'll mention it here.
28:12
I think 1 transfer window. A good thing is that you had
28:15
those two transfer portal weeks were insane and it was a great
28:19
Newsweek for college football. The problem is it was happening
28:22
at the same time as the College Football Playoff, right?
28:25
If we can solve that, you can have what you're about to have
28:28
this week with the NFL, which is the seas the league season has.
28:33
Started week of the. And it's free agency.
28:36
And you can have this with college football where the
28:38
season's over, then, you know, the 2026 season has begun.
28:42
And now the portal is open. It's one window.
28:45
It's two weeks and you get to dominant headlines without being
28:48
like in this place in the transfer portal.
28:50
By the way, the semifinal is in six days and and what are we
28:53
doing? Like, to your point, if it is
28:55
one portal window like we've we've talked about and one time
28:59
transfer rule potentially, then it's huge news.
29:02
And if we have public contracts, then you're looking at it and
29:05
you're like, hey, these guys are all in three-year contracts that
29:09
don't even look at them. But these are guys to watch that
29:11
can jump into the portal. They're on one year deals and
29:15
then you're getting replications of them, like resigning with
29:17
their team or they are, you know, entering the portal and
29:21
looking for elsewhere. So it would be a big Newsweek
29:24
like you said. And then it would also be
29:26
something digestible for like analysts to say, Hey, these are
29:30
the best one year contract players out there.
29:33
They can make a list. These are the top 31 year
29:36
contract players. And then, you know, put them out
29:38
there. And then it becomes more it's
29:40
not so much of A just over, you know, over saturated, like 3000
29:47
people entered the portal. Hayes Fawcett is losing his
29:50
thumbs from tweeting so much. And, you know, like we're able
29:53
to really zero in on this is what's going on.
29:56
Yeah, I love it. OK, nil portal, obviously the
30:01
biggest. Changes.
30:03
It's kind of our current state. There's some stuff we can do.
30:06
We can keep it around and make it better, man.
30:08
But I think you and I agree on the biggest thing to make this
30:11
work is you've got to have a unified governing body to make
30:15
this work. And, and my my thing to add to
30:17
your point of that was public contracts, which I think, I
30:20
think only comes with the collective bargaining agreement,
30:23
unfortunately. But I think that's, I think it's
30:25
where we're going, Daniel. Yeah, let's go to the College
30:30
Football Playoff. You look, we can't go backwards.
30:33
Cat's out of the bag, Genie's out of the bottle.
30:37
We're not going back to four teams, Daniel, as much as you
30:39
and I would probably still prefer that.
30:41
So we won't. I'm not going to belabor that
30:43
point, but what's your thoughts on the playoff?
30:46
What do we like? What do we wish could change?
30:49
What do we want to stop doing? The thoughts state of the
30:52
College Football Playoff. Yeah, I do want to go back to
30:57
four teams. Could we go to 8 teams?
30:59
Because we've never done 8 teams.
31:02
Yeah, never tried. We've never done it.
31:03
So like could we do eight teams? I would be in favor.
31:08
I would still be fine with if because if it's basically got to
31:11
either stay the same or get more, I would be fine with
31:13
staying at 12. I did mention I think 16 seems
31:17
like it's going to happen at some point.
31:19
I think that the 24 year hearing is it's it's all about like, you
31:25
know, contract or just negotiations and stuff.
31:28
Like it's just them being ridiculous to try to get more
31:32
like, oh, you want all these automatic qualifiers?
31:34
Well, let's just do 24 and get this many SEC teams in or this
31:38
many big 10 teams in. So that's crazy.
31:43
The more I hear them talk, the more I think they're serious.
31:46
I think that they want you to. Think I heard.
31:48
That I don't think that I think 16 is going to happen I think
31:52
here here's. Here's the one that made me
31:55
question. It was Josh Hypo.
31:57
The SEC's proposal is not 24. The SEC is very against 24.
32:02
Hypo saying he's for it is is this fear over the 9th
32:06
conference game and not valuing wins and losses, which makes
32:09
sense, Yeah, but a Kirby Smart made a good point.
32:12
He said the people arguing for 24 probably don't have.
32:16
They want, you know, it's all about money, right?
32:19
They want premier matchups. So for them to get more premier
32:22
matchups to make more money, they need a 2014 playoff.
32:25
Kirby Smart's point was we don't need that in the SEC.
32:28
We've like there's more people watching, for example, a
32:31
Georgia, Texas regular season game than AI.
32:35
Mean those are two big brands. I was going to say, if it's Ohio
32:38
State, Oregon. I mean, we're going to say how?
32:40
I mean, Oklahoma and South Carolina, more people are
32:43
watching that game. Then Iowa, Penn State.
32:46
Yeah, 1000. Percent you've got so many more
32:49
eyes on that that game and you know you've got.
32:52
That was a good point. Yeah, no, that's that's a very
32:54
good point. There's so much and you're
32:56
talking about inventory, TV inventory.
32:58
And it's the that's what the whole deal with ESPN has been
33:03
for the SEC, getting that ninth game.
33:05
They're going to get all these extra, you know, get 16 more
33:08
games or whatever it is. So a whole extra amount of games
33:14
for the SEC on ESPN. So that's one thing it is
33:19
frustrating to hear. 24, I think that that starts to, I mean, I
33:24
think 12 kind of bastardizes the regular season already, but that
33:28
would definitely be the case if you're at 2416.
33:31
I could get to in the sense of saying, all right, Power 4 top 4
33:37
conference champs or just the yeah, Power 4 conference champs
33:42
you're in. And then just the top, you know,
33:47
seeds after that, you're not catering to the group of five or
33:51
group of 6. Excuse me, I'm never going to
33:52
get used to that. I'm used to power five, group of
33:54
five. It's whatever powerful.
33:57
We know what you're talking about.
33:58
It's going to change. We know what you mean.
33:59
Here's the thing, all right, they're going to keep doing
34:02
these stop gaps until 26 when the ACC dissolves.
34:06
That's unfortunately foregone conclusion at that point.
34:09
I kind of think that that's we got 10 years left.
34:12
They're trying to figure that out.
34:13
But if we could figure it out, I want a group of 6 to have their
34:15
own playoff and that to be a big deal and to like use the bowl
34:19
games to do it. If they need to have some on
34:21
campus, I want more on campus games.
34:23
If that's what 16 is going to provide is like a better base of
34:28
on campus games, fine. You know, at the end of 2036,
34:32
the ACC, their contract is up. And if I'll say this, I know
34:39
that we're not here talking about realignment or anything
34:41
like that. We're talking about College
34:42
Football Playoff. I think the two are tied
34:44
together. The ACC, when it does dissolve,
34:50
unfortunately, whenever that happens, there will be, you
34:54
know, the Big 12 will be trying to get in as part of it, but
34:58
it's really going to be Big 10. SEC are going to go cherry
35:01
picking. They're going to get the best
35:02
teams out of those. Their TV rights deal goes till
35:07
2036. If Florida State had not just
35:12
been a, you know, like a fired a dumpster fire the past two
35:17
years. Hot dog water.
35:18
Hot. Yeah, hot dog water.
35:19
Like I used before the pot. They were hot dog water.
35:23
Or as my buddy Grant would say, slaw their slaw the past couple
35:27
years after that 13 one season. They just followed it up with a
35:30
couple of modest 10 win seasons. Not even compete for big stuff,
35:34
but just don't fall flat on your face.
35:36
I think they would have already found a way to pay to get out.
35:40
But because of how terrible they've been And Clemson, you
35:44
know, I think that you could say it's almost saved the ACC a few
35:48
years of them all just kind of staying together, like tail
35:52
tucked between their legs, like maybe we shouldn't be arguing
35:54
for this, but we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
35:57
There's a lot of volatility with it.
35:59
I think it's tough for them to say this is going to be the
36:02
ideal model. While there's going to, are
36:06
there still going to be 4 power conferences in 10 years?
36:09
I mean, obviously they got to make a decision for right now
36:11
and for the next few years, but I'm kind of thinking they're
36:14
going to kick the can for about the next 10 years.
36:17
I don't know what that's going to mean for the Big 12.
36:19
If there's going to be 3 conferences, if they're going to
36:22
value them all the same, especially if everybody defect,
36:26
you know, anyways, that's that's a whole different conversation.
36:28
We're not getting into that. My preference would be to stay
36:32
at 12 or to go lower. But if they do change it and it
36:36
has to change 16, I'm fine with. I just want yeah, the least
36:41
amount of automatic qualifiers possible and the most at large
36:45
bids possible. I would like for there to still
36:48
be conference championship games, but I'm, you know, I'm a
36:51
was a purist. That's probably I'm I
36:55
romanticize the SEC championship.
36:57
That's probably my fault. So.
36:59
I hate the style, I hate the buys and the breaks.
37:02
So my my playoff take is also a schedule take Daniel do it.
37:05
So like I kind of need to talk about it kind of both the end
37:10
because I'm fine with 12 teams. I think we are going to go to
37:13
16. But I think the way this works
37:15
is if you fix the schedule for college football.
37:18
So that's the biggest complaint with the playoff is the
37:20
schedule. Can I can I just lay out my
37:22
perfect college football schedule?
37:24
Is that OK? I want can.
37:25
We lay this out. OK, I don't have exact dates on
37:27
this, just go with me. All right, I like the landing
37:30
model in that I think it was what we're calling right.
37:33
The landing model season needs to end on January 1st or
37:38
thereabouts or that set the first Saturday in January or
37:41
something there. I like January 1st because it's
37:44
a built in holiday. I would love to do it. the Rose
37:47
Bowl. I've gotten pushed back that the
37:48
fan experience at the Rose Bowl is not what it looks like on TV
37:52
etcetera. That's fine.
37:55
January 1st if. It was the 5:00 PM.
37:59
I think it would be a better fan experience.
38:01
I think that they would invest I agree, in it and it wouldn't be
38:04
so stale. Yes, there's just I completely
38:07
agree dude if that if that was the whole of the college 12
38:11
playoff national championship, yes they would invest it the
38:13
same way that Omaha is invested in for baseball even though it's
38:16
one tournament a. Year 1000%.
38:18
The money that would be poured into that if the whole sport was
38:22
like this is our Mecca, this is our cathedral venue to end the
38:29
sport at 5:00 PM Eastern on January 1st every the amount of
38:33
money that we poured into that. And and here's the other thing,
38:36
Daniel, this is my again, I don't think this is reality,
38:39
unfortunately, but it's just the Rose Bowl.
38:41
It's not the national championship.
38:42
We just the natty is the Rose Bowl game, period. the Rose Bowl
38:46
game just becomes college football's national
38:48
championship. That'd be amazing.
38:50
So you got to start there. All right, I'm going to go in
38:53
order of the year to make it a little less confusing.
38:56
So January 1st, the season ends, national championship, you have
39:00
two weeks off. Third week of January, for two
39:03
weeks you get the transfer portal or for a week or for 10
39:07
days. So again, the perfect calendar.
39:09
The portal is open, you're 1 window, it's free agency.
39:13
In college football, first Wednesday of February you still
39:17
have national signing day. So it's kind of back-to-back
39:20
recruiting. Then February is a break for the
39:23
sport. Everybody needs it.
39:25
It's a dead period. Players can't work out, coaches
39:29
can't visit with recruits. It is a built in like 3 or 4
39:33
weeks of break. All right.
39:37
Or maybe you can do internal stuff if you want to make
39:38
practice plans for spring ball, whatever.
39:40
March and April you get spring practice and then when you don't
39:44
still a dead period. Let these kids get good grades
39:48
in high school for recruiting, yes All right, so spring ball,
39:51
spring games, both good things in March and April in the
39:54
offseason, May schedule release, you find out your schedule, they
39:58
make it a huge deal. I love it just like the NFL
40:00
does. Teams do fun social media stuff.
40:04
Maybe you invite your donors for a schedule release event for
40:07
each school. You know, like get created
40:10
fundraiser, dude, that's right. All right, that's in May, June.
40:16
Recruiting season, dead period ends.
40:18
Kids have graduated and it is busy recruiting season, but
40:22
we've had a lot of breaks in the spring.
40:24
And these college football coaches who are already used to
40:26
running at 1,000,000 miles an hour, they don't mind this.
40:28
This is busy recruiting season because you know what happens in
40:32
July, Daniel? Early signing day in July,
40:36
before the football season, not in the middle of conference
40:39
championships in July. Early national signing day.
40:43
All right, then we get into camp in August.
40:47
We start the regular season Week zero with any guesses?
40:53
Any guesses? A football game to start their
40:57
season every year Week 0. A Chick-fil-A kickoff game.
41:01
Army Navy Week 0 standalone game.
41:05
No other teams can play Week 0. Is great.
41:08
It is. Army name and.
41:09
It's played in the Northeast, so it's not too blistering hot.
41:12
And I know there's gonna be people that but but the snow,
41:15
I'm like, guys, college football's changing.
41:17
I promise you, they do not care about Army, Navy.
41:20
There's no executive order that can stop this.
41:22
They will run over that game if you care about it.
41:26
Week 0 standalone game. It is the start of football
41:29
season every year. You want to if you want to keep
41:32
it special. That game to kick off the
41:35
season. I know and everybody who's been
41:39
starving from college football for nine months second.
41:42
Of that game. You will have 35 million people
41:46
watch this game dude. Anyway, that's the start of the
41:50
college football season every year.
41:51
Is army Navy 100 zero standalone game no notes.
41:54
Do like a 330 game game days there big thing take offs there
41:58
everybody just all right week 1. Here's here's my only caveat.
42:04
Are we getting rid of conference championships?
42:06
And my scenario, we are. If we're not, you got to move.
42:09
You got to move the whole season up A.
42:10
Week I will allow you to for the sake all right, You're I'm going
42:14
to say hold up, let him cook and then I'll just I'll listen, OK?
42:17
Because I, I like the season starting Labor Day.
42:20
I think that's fun. Labor Day weekend.
42:22
So I'm going to say we're getting rid of conference
42:24
championships. OK, The season starts Labor Day
42:27
weekend. You run through the season.
42:29
First weekend of December is your first playoff games.
42:32
You go round. This means that we keep rivalry
42:35
weekend the same. It's still Thanksgiving, so
42:39
you're winning me over with that.
42:40
Even though we're losing conference championships.
42:41
I'm here. OK, continue.
42:43
I'd rather keep that the conference championships,
42:45
especially because conference championships have don't mean as
42:48
much as anymore. If you pitched it to me that
42:50
way, I would also vote keep rivalries at that point.
42:54
And that's where I'm at. So and then you play, you know,
42:57
4 rounds of playoffs, the four weekends of December.
42:59
And either this, this solves 2 things.
43:01
If you keep a 12 team playoff, it keeps the by normal, a normal
43:06
by week. If you go to 16 teams, everybody
43:09
displays 4 weeks in a row. Your season ends rivalry week
43:12
and the next week, either you know, all but four teams are
43:15
playing the game if it's a 12 team playoff or if the 16 team
43:18
playoff you're playing, everybody's playing the game
43:22
that next week, no by weeks. And so you finish January 1st.
43:24
And I keep all games on campus for the playoff.
43:28
I would do until the national championship but I I know that's
43:31
a bridge too far. Just give me the 1st 2 rounds on
43:34
campus. That's the you can have the semi
43:37
on a neutral. And then that that would solve
43:39
the point of people who've had bye weeks, everyone would at
43:43
least get a home game if they have qualified for it by being
43:46
at one of the best teams. And if it's sixteen, you might
43:49
get two playoff games. Yeah.
43:51
Which again, that's, I mean, imagine anyway.
43:55
But there's been some big schools who have not hosted a
43:57
playoff game yet. They could be hosting.
43:59
I mean, again, I look, don't dog me.
44:02
You're by 6 fans. Oregon.
44:03
James Madison was cool, but imagine if Oregon was hosting
44:06
Ohio State at Austin Stadium instead of James Madison.
44:08
What's that environment look like?
44:11
We saw what Georgia almost looked like at 3:30 in the
44:13
regular season. Imagine that was a playoff game
44:14
in Athens. So yeah.
44:17
And then the season wraps up January 1st.
44:19
You know, that is a rough, a rough building of my perfect
44:22
college football schedule. I think I've solved it.
44:25
Thoughts. I'm in.
44:27
My only downside is losing conference championships, but if
44:30
it means that we're going to get on campus potentially multiple
44:34
on campus weeks of playoff games, I'm here for it.
44:39
You're preserving. You're preserving traditions is
44:42
what I'm hearing. You're having to change some,
44:45
but you're preserving Army, Navy, which I think would.
44:47
Be as a stand electric. And then, yeah.
44:51
And then you've got obviously some years you end up with two
44:55
by weeks because of how the schedule falls in the some years
44:58
it's one by week. But otherwise you keep it, you
45:01
know, starts the technically week 1 is Labor Day.
45:05
Last week of the radio season is Thanksgiving weekend.
45:09
I like that because that keeps things feeling normal.
45:14
And then, yeah, dude, if we can keep those on set, keep games on
45:16
Saturdays, and then either it is the Rose Bowl or if they have
45:20
too much problem with that, moving it to the Saturday after,
45:26
you know, the next Saturday in January, Let's not have Monday
45:31
night at 8:00 PM national championship, whatever we do.
45:36
I did want your feedback on signing days in July and
45:40
February, like instead of an early signing day in December,
45:43
it's actually before the senior season.
45:45
I think there's some risk there and maybe if you're a player
45:48
who's like, I don't need senior tape, you sign, but then there's
45:51
you still get the players who explode their senior season, you
45:53
still get them in February. Right.
45:55
Yeah, I think, I think that's good because February signing
45:59
day will be like you initially pitched it, it's right after the
46:03
portal. So you kind of get your portal
46:04
wrap up and then all your senior pop offs who are like late
46:08
signees are all together in one pile.
46:12
But you kind of have your your base scheduled and yeah, I mean,
46:16
basically those eight weeks, June and July is crazy.
46:19
And then you conclude July with signing day.
46:23
I think that works. You could move it up a week.
46:25
So it's, you know, depend upon how early teams are going to
46:29
start their camp technically. So it could be the second to
46:31
last week of July, whatever that needs to be.
46:33
But yeah, I like it because we need to separate them more than
46:39
they are now. And that that way it also will
46:42
make, you know, we talked about just TV inventory and having
46:46
like, what, you know, what the NFL does with their week of, you
46:49
know, free agency and like, they just had the deadline for the
46:53
franchise tag yesterday. So tomorrow, you know, next
46:56
Monday, legal tampering begins. And then I can't believe we call
47:00
it that, but legal tampering period.
47:02
And then, you know, officially on Wednesday, they can sign
47:05
contracts next week. So it would be, it would feel
47:08
like that with the signing day being like, it would be a big
47:12
deal. These guys have waited a long
47:14
time. It's been a long time.
47:16
We didn't realize these guys were going to have such great
47:18
senior seasons or this really big prospect we thought was
47:22
going to sign with Ohio State in July didn't.
47:25
And then they played his whole senior season, and then now
47:29
Michigan's after, you know, whatever it would be like, it
47:32
would bring the drama back to signing day, which right now has
47:35
been very like, you know. Nothing.
47:38
Sterile. It's just not exciting right
47:41
now, the second signing day. Agreed.
47:45
Anything you would out of the schedule.
47:48
I kind of jumped to both to both spots there.
47:49
No, I mean, I, I think that some other stuff is going to kind of,
47:55
you know work its work itself out with all of the schedule
47:59
changes with different conferences working, you know,
48:02
doing different amount of conference games.
48:04
And I think you're going to have a push for more on conference
48:06
stuff. But as far as like the the
48:08
actual schedule itself, I mean, that would be, yeah.
48:12
It's, it's legitimately my only concern is like, you know, it'd
48:17
be nice to have conference championships.
48:19
But like, if we're truly going to move to this model and it's
48:24
kind of a force thing this way, I feel like it's a good way to
48:27
preserve what we love about the sport.
48:30
Like, let's keep rivalry weekend.
48:32
Let's keep Week 1 Labor Day weekend, you know, let's play
48:36
these games on Saturdays. Let's not have guys worn out or
48:39
also rusty from having so many time, so much time off.
48:44
Let their time off be all when the season's done.
48:47
Don't have this, you know, anticipation that I think
48:50
sometimes can cause a staleness to the sport where there's 30
48:55
day layoff for a certain team or, you know, just like all that
49:00
time that's between, you know, the second round and then, you
49:05
know, the the quarter final and the semi final and then the
49:07
championship. It's like all that time just
49:09
feels like we've squandered this whole month of December.
49:12
And I think that you could, if you got a governing body, have
49:16
them sit down with the NFL and figure out what makes sense for
49:20
both sports and not not feel like your step.
49:24
And if you are going competing at the same time.
49:26
Well, you know what Jacob, I like college football more.
49:30
I'm going to watch college football instead in the NFL.
49:33
There's NFL fans like NFL more. They're going to watch that
49:35
instead. If you're a true ball, know
49:37
you're probably going to put both games on the same time so
49:41
people will find a way to watch it.
49:43
You need to stop being nervous about losing a head to It will
49:54
hinder some families schedules as far as the holidays, but
49:59
really why are you scheduling to be all these different places in
50:02
the holidays anyways? You should learn your lesson.
50:04
Stay at home, watch college football.
50:07
That's right. OK, Daniel lastly officiating a
50:14
smaller bucket, but we got to talk.
50:15
This is an in game thing that I think frustrates everybody and
50:18
everyone says that officiating the worst it's ever been.
50:21
I think college football is the most public it's ever been, so I
50:23
don't know if it's the worst ever.
50:24
Casuals have gotten the most access to our bad officiating
50:28
that has always been there. That's just right, Daniel.
50:31
What's? Is there anything going well
50:33
with officiating? What would you change?
50:35
How do we fix officiating college football?
50:37
I think mostly officiating is going pretty good.
50:41
I think that. I think so too.
50:43
I think mostly it's going good. That like, I feel like they do a
50:46
good job of deferring to replay. Sometimes it's exhausting.
50:51
I don't think they should do it as much, but I think they do a
50:53
good job of like if something's close, calling it in the fashion
50:57
that it can be reviewed, I think is good.
51:00
And I think ultimately they do that.
51:02
And there's been times, Jacob, where I see something the first
51:05
time and I'm like, they're crazy, That's wrong.
51:08
And then I would see it slow motion.
51:09
I'm like, dude, this guy's got great vision.
51:12
He knows what he's doing now. That's what's going good.
51:15
What's going bad, what's targeting?
51:19
I don't think anybody knows. We still don't know.
51:21
I could give you a definition, but I feel like it's been, you
51:24
know, done incorrectly based on even what I think.
51:28
And I think that it's truly there for optics at times.
51:33
And it's like, OK, this guy got hit hard, chill out, it's fine.
51:38
So that's one thing. And the only other one I'm going
51:40
to mention, I know you probably have a couple, but I, I really
51:44
like what the ACC did. So we talked about what's going
51:46
good. The ACC lets you listen to all
51:49
the reviews. And I just think there's a
51:51
certain level of first of all, accountability.
51:54
And I don't mean that to, you know, I don't think it's
51:58
dangerous to do that with the SEC.
51:59
These fans are crazy, but it's nice to have accountability.
52:03
But I really just like to hear how they reason it out if they,
52:07
they shouldn't be scared. I think they should just be
52:09
truly honest. And I think if they are
52:11
genuinely, this is what I'm saying, unfortunately, like if
52:15
we heard how they're talking to each other, hey, we really can't
52:18
overturn this because there's not enough evidence, you know, I
52:21
agree. Yeah, Look, 'cause this and you
52:23
know, if you heard a couple people conferring back and
52:26
forth, I think for me, if that calls going against me, but I
52:30
hear that they've done that. I am much more forgiving when
52:35
they come out and say this is this because I'm like, you've
52:38
got to be kidding me. You know, like I think it would
52:40
go a long way to heal a lot of the wounds that people have with
52:43
review if they would just let the everybody listens to every
52:47
review. You could even run ads while
52:50
it's going on on the side if you want to.
52:51
Like they're all about ads. Let the audio be here and let it
52:55
be some sort of ad picture in picture.
52:58
Some see people do that already, but I think that would be very
53:02
beneficial to the sport. It's clarity, man.
53:05
It's it's at least I hear the explanation and I understand
53:08
better, you know, and they're trying to be quick about it too.
53:11
Like you've got a timer on there.
53:12
They're trying to be as fast as possible and they're just saying
53:14
like, hey guys, do you see enough evidence to overturn
53:16
this? We all agree.
53:17
We all agree. Yes, yes, yes.
53:19
OK, we're going to go, you know, call in this field stands and
53:23
it's you hear the. Answer time on the clock.
53:26
Let's move. To Daniel, I think we're getting
53:28
big enough. What's funny is does the NFL
53:30
have full time refs yet or is that still they don't still
53:33
don't have full time refs. I don't.
53:35
NFL officiating is far superior. I don't college football, but
53:39
can we can we not? We don't have enough money to
53:41
get some full time refs in some of these big leagues.
53:43
Again, this will be collective governing body.
53:45
Maybe we can get some full time refs.
53:46
OK this is a rule I've always wanted to change so I got to
53:50
mention it. The touchback rule.
53:52
I think it's the dumbest rule in football, NFL or college outside
53:57
of some egregious targeting calls and having a player out
53:59
for the game. I hope we solved that soon.
54:01
Please. It is so easy to judge intent,
54:03
Daniel. Yeah, 99% of targeting is not
54:06
intent full. You don't need to kick a player
54:08
out of the game for that. But we've taken Spearing out of
54:10
the game anyway. It's not the role I'm talking
54:11
about. Fumbling a ball out of the end
54:15
zone should not be a touchback. It is the most punishment.
54:20
Doesn't fit the crime penalty in college football.
54:24
The ball should not be turned over.
54:27
I think I'm fine if you want to bring it back out to the 20, but
54:31
it's the only play in which if you fumble it out of bounds at
54:34
the inch yard line, it's your own ball at the inch yard line.
54:38
If it goes one inch further and hits the pylon and goes out of
54:41
bounds, is the other team's ball on the 20 yard line?
54:46
Yeah, like, here's the thing, if you want to make it a turnover,
54:48
I still disagree, but put it on the three.
54:51
Yeah, you just drove the length of the field and you're giving
54:54
A-Team a free 20 yards because of 1 inch of difference.
54:58
I don't even think it should be a turn over, Daniel.
55:00
My thing is, I think it should be your own ball in the free 3
55:02
yard line. But if you really want to punish
55:04
somebody and be like, you shouldn't fumble out of the end
55:06
zone, like you can't do that down here, bring it out to the
55:10
20, but you get to keep the ball.
55:11
Something's got to change. That's just one of those.
55:14
The punishment does not fit the crime in my opinion.
55:17
Because then they're still in field goal range.
55:19
So it's like, and you can keep the down.
55:21
I agree. I think you keep the down.
55:23
There's not like a, oh, you reset first down.
55:25
That's preposterous. No, no, but like let's.
55:28
Say it was third down and they fumble.
55:30
No, it's 4th down. It's 4th down, but you're on the
55:32
20s, so it's like OK, hey, let's.
55:34
Maybe it's 4th and goal and now you're on the 20.
55:36
Yeah. So you can, you can go on the
55:39
20, you can kick a field goal or if you need the touchdown, of
55:42
course you can do the lower percentage touchdown try, but
55:45
you're at least in striking distance.
55:47
The ball didn't go to the other side.
55:48
I I agree. Daniel, I think we fixed college
55:51
football. We just need to send this to the
55:53
right people. Unfortunately, there's no such
55:55
thing as the right people right now.
55:57
So I don't know who we're going to send this to, but I think we
56:00
have fixed, we have fixed the sport.
56:02
Yeah. Be sure to follow us for more
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56:11
Daniel next week we are going to talk about we have a fun March
56:15
Madness topic. How is this Daniel?
56:17
People love to compare teams for different years.
56:19
I think that's near impossible, but we're going to do it for
56:22
March Madness. Daniel it turns out there are
56:25
exactly 64 teams that have made the College Football Playoffs.
56:29
So why not do a 64 team bracket? What is the best College
56:33
Football Playoff team? We have seeded them.
56:36
We are going to pick winners and losers and Y and crown for March
56:40
Madness, the greatest College Football Playoff team of all
56:45
time. We'll do that next week here on
56:48
the Extra Point College Football Podcast.
56:51
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56:55
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56:57
That will do it for this edition of the Extra Point.
56:59
He is Daniel. I am Jacob, see ya.