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People Used to Do Very Weird Drugs, Part One: Broomsticks, Sailors and Vikings · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so
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  Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Before we introduce everybody, here are
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  Speaker 1: cast of players. We want to begin today's series with
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  Speaker 1: the following announcement, don't do illegal drugs.
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  Speaker 2: Dare to dream. Wait, that's not how the campaign went.
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  Speaker 2: Dare to dream of a world without illegal.
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  Speaker 1: Drugs, dare to keep a kid off drugs. Dare to
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  Speaker 1: give super producer Max Williams a hands.
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  Speaker 2: Some would have been a good rhyming opportunity. There what
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  Speaker 2: a DARE stand for? At the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: I always forget drug.
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  Speaker 1: Abuse resistance education something close to that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see drug abuse resistance education.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and man speaking of the Mandela effect, which nobody
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  Speaker 2: was but I always am. I had this memory of
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  Speaker 2: a video game, a console cabinet, I'm sorry, a cabinet,
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  Speaker 2: not a console video game called Nark from back in
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  Speaker 2: the day, where you were like a dude killing drug dealers.
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  Speaker 2: It was like pre Grand Theft Auto And in my
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  Speaker 2: mind I always thought that it was like somehow sponsored
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  Speaker 2: by DARE and that it was meant to be an
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  Speaker 2: anti drug cautionary video game.
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  Speaker 3: That is not true.
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  Speaker 2: But back in the day, you will recall a lot
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  Speaker 2: of video games had sort of an anti drug message
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning of them, like like almost like the
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  Speaker 2: FBI warning at the top of VHS's when you rent them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So narc and dare unconnected. So
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  Speaker 1: that's Noel Brown, it's I've been bullying too. Is not
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  Speaker 1: a real game. It is a real game.
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  Speaker 2: You're like a dude in a trench coat with a
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  Speaker 2: shotgun blasting away like streets gum.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's a total side scroller.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty gory, pretty controversial, But in my mind
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  Speaker 2: I was convinced of this notion that it was somehow
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  Speaker 2: a like an actual in league with the government in a.
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  Speaker 3: Way to like make you like scared of drug dealers.
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  Speaker 1: I think that part is true. Uh, they probably just
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  Speaker 1: couldn't afford McGruff the crime dog.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe dude also really was giving flasher vibes because
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  Speaker 2: he's a side scroller and he's got like.
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  Speaker 3: A trench coat with a shotgun coming out of it.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, back into trench coats when it's not summer here,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess trench coat's cool again? Are we
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  Speaker 1: allowed to wear trench coats again? Hasn't? I didn't. It's
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  Speaker 1: weather dependent, it's weather depending.
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  Speaker 2: But I just know there was a period after you know, Columbine,
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  Speaker 2: where trench coats were highly foreboding.
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  Speaker 1: That's colorism trench coats.
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  Speaker 3: You know that's true.
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  Speaker 1: We all also know that, just like trench goats, not
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  Speaker 1: all drugs are created equally. Some can save your life,
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  Speaker 1: some are way more dangerous to the human organism than others.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe our best way to start this is to say
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  Speaker 1: that a drug is any substance consumed by an organism
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  Speaker 1: for a specific, predetermined effect, like the coffee. We're big
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  Speaker 1: fans of coffee. It's our co producer for all of
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  Speaker 1: our shows. And you know you're going to be You
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  Speaker 1: and I both are going to be traveling internationally. Our
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  Speaker 1: pal Max is actually recording this from a beach. We
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  Speaker 1: are well aware that different cultures and countries treat different
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  Speaker 1: drugs in very different ways. Well, for sure, I mean
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  Speaker 1: coffee is a drug.
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  Speaker 2: But if we want to quote the ever wise words
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  Speaker 2: of television Superhands, it's not a drug.
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  Speaker 3: It's a drink.
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  Speaker 1: There we go, Superhands, and again it is a Maya
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  Speaker 1: Kulpa on my on my behalf, I watched the entirety
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  Speaker 1: of peep Show, and I didn't figure out until the
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  Speaker 1: very end that it's Hans as a German name and
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  Speaker 1: not super Hands.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I loved it either way, and I was with
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  Speaker 2: you for quite a while as well, until I maybe
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  Speaker 2: saw it in subtitle form. But I really loved the
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  Speaker 2: idea for a while, thinking that he just had these
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  Speaker 2: mega hands.
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  Speaker 1: And they just called him super hands.
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  Speaker 3: Superhands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we're talking about dare a little
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  Speaker 2: bit ben And it did in fact fail and was
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  Speaker 2: canceled because a lot of studies showed that when they
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  Speaker 2: brought that suitcase full of drugs, like fake food, diner
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  Speaker 2: style around the schools, maybe people were more inclined to like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what's that one. It's like a box of chocolates, let's
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  Speaker 2: sample them all. It turns out that the studies showed
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  Speaker 2: that not only was it ineffective, it actually potentially caused
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  Speaker 2: more kids to want exp here a man with drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Not everybody gathered around here. What you're going to see
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  Speaker 1: in this vile is cocaine. Pass that around, Donaka, and
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  Speaker 1: pass around this next file that's crack cocaine. Now, let
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  Speaker 1: me explain to you.
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  Speaker 2: Here is a crack pipe, and this here is one
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  Speaker 2: of these tiny McDonald's coffee spoons.
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  Speaker 1: Now, which of you has a cigarette lighter? I see
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  Speaker 1: you in the back to the back end.
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  Speaker 2: This is called free basin. Well, you know what the
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times the real issue was access, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But like the guy who played gruff mcgruffy got uh
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  Speaker 1: mcgruffy crime dog did ultimately get arrested one forsion the
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  Speaker 1: grenade launchers and a bunch of cannabis. What we're saying is,
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  Speaker 1: just like dare approved time and time again, prohibition policies
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  Speaker 1: do not really work. They score some political points, but
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  Speaker 1: they also massively empower crime. Like you owe NASCAR.
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  Speaker 2: To moonshine from well and there's nothing one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: check out that recent episode that was a doozy.
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  Speaker 1: But ben to your point about prohibition, if people.
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  Speaker 2: Want to get high, they're gonna get high, whether they
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  Speaker 2: have access to the hard stuff or not. There's plenty
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  Speaker 2: of places and plenty of examples throughout history of weird
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  Speaker 2: stuff just laying around for one to get high with.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, even before the rise of civilization, and recorded history.
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  Speaker 1: Before people figured out out or write, they were figuring
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  Speaker 1: out very complex ways to ingest interesting substances. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's weird because other animals were doing this before the
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  Speaker 1: rise of human beings like dolphins are still getting high
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  Speaker 1: on weak poison from sea creatures. Oh yeah, yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: passing around fish.
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  Speaker 2: Well for sure, and there are of course increasingly complex
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  Speaker 2: ways of achieving a sort of buzz. But from the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of time, it really was about the most basic
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  Speaker 2: way imaginable.
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  Speaker 1: It's just was that, let me eat it and see
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  Speaker 1: what happens.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because oftentimes they didn't know, and oftentimes they'd
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  Speaker 2: kill them dead and that'd be the experiment failed, and
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  Speaker 2: hopefully someone else would notice and be like, Okay, don't
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  Speaker 2: eat that mushroom, eat the one next to it that
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  Speaker 2: made the guy's eyes go all bug eyed, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they were doing this out of not necessarily recreation.
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  Speaker 1: In the beginning. They were doing it because they were
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  Speaker 1: starving and they had to figure out what they could eat,
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  Speaker 1: and it's hard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Widow's Bay.
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  Speaker 2: There's an excellent plot line involving some castaway types who
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  Speaker 2: are trapped in the snow if that can be considered
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  Speaker 2: a castaway and eat some very scary looking mushrooms out
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  Speaker 2: of a need to survive, and then find out that
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  Speaker 2: it did quite a bit more than that, and then
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  Speaker 2: it results of one of the coolest drug dealers in
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  Speaker 2: all of twenty twenty six Fixtion, who, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: is I don't know if you know this. Ben is
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  Speaker 2: really good friends with friend of the show Jordan Runtog.
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  Speaker 2: He went to high school with that guy, Chris Fleming.
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  Speaker 2: They went to high school together and they are like,
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  Speaker 2: really really good buds.
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  Speaker 1: To this day. Just phenomenal job there, Christopher. We know
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  Speaker 1: that humanity's most popular drugs of choice are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine,
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  Speaker 1: and cannabis, and no particular order defend well a rank?
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  Speaker 1: Shall we rank them? Shall we give our personal ranks?
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  Speaker 1: Our personal rankings may differ. I think they may. They
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  Speaker 1: may well just late.
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  Speaker 2: We'll leave that up to the imaginations of ridiculous historians
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  Speaker 2: in the audience.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird, though, right, that's beautiful. It's weird that these substances,
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  Speaker 1: for so long, for most of history, were limited to
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  Speaker 1: certain regions of the world. It's not till the emergence
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  Speaker 1: of a global trade network that everybody else could you know,
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  Speaker 1: get their coffee shakes, and like you said, nol, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it this way. People have been getting high
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  Speaker 1: on something or other force so long like BCE. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: with a little help from their friends potentially. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: know that if you look back into the pre classical
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  Speaker 1: and classical periods that's two thousand BCE to one thousand
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  Speaker 1: BCE and then up to five hundred CE, respectively, you'll
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  Speaker 1: see that people were definitely using opium, cannabis, alcohol, tobacco,
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  Speaker 1: and to your earlier point, various forms of fun guys
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  Speaker 1: for religious, medicinal, and occasionally recreational purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Sung guy makes us fun guys or kills us dead immediately,
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  Speaker 2: depending on which one you pick. Choose wisely, definitely don't
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  Speaker 2: choose any if you don't know what you're doing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that includes just mushrooms that you're going to forage
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  Speaker 2: or eat, like mushrooms are a sticky wicket. You really
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  Speaker 2: we got to know what you're doing to make sure
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  Speaker 2: you're getting the chantrells and not the deadly night shades
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  Speaker 2: or whatever they might be called.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, please be super careful. That's a great point there.
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  Speaker 1: We also know that you may have a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of skepticism. In the first part of this series, folks
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  Speaker 1: fell a ridiculous historiage. You might be asking yourself, Hold up,
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  Speaker 1: if people weren't writing stuff down, then how can we
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  Speaker 1: know they were actually doing drugs? How can we prove it?
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  Speaker 1: There's nobody who's like, oh, it's me made up name
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  Speaker 1: in a lottio and I'm in a lottio and I'm
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  Speaker 1: writing down how I use opium or mushrooms. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have that, but we do have some very smart scientists
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  Speaker 1: for sure looking through the historical record.
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  Speaker 2: And then of course as we get later in the game,
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  Speaker 2: we do start seeing folks writing about it, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but we are talking about antiquity. We are talking about
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  Speaker 2: the earliest days of like cave dwelling even right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, We've.
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  Speaker 1: Got some pretty smart folks like professor. Oh, don't get
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  Speaker 1: mad at me here, Miss Elisa Guiera Deutch, professor of
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  Speaker 1: archaeology and prehistory at the University of Vaio, daid.
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  Speaker 3: In very classically done. Ben, Oh, thank you wise.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you're too kind. In twenty thirteen, this doc
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  Speaker 1: published a really interesting paper called the Origins of a
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  Speaker 1: nebriation archaeological evidence of consumption of fermented beverages and drugs
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  Speaker 1: in prehistoric Eurasia.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, jeez, man, Fermentation just kind of happens
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  Speaker 2: when you let stuff sit for a long time. So
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  Speaker 2: I can imagine that there were plenty of examples in
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  Speaker 2: the earliest days of this where people just kind of
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  Speaker 2: let something go bad and drank it and realized that
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  Speaker 2: it made him feel kind of funny.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, dude. And animals do it too, Elephants, bears, even
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  Speaker 1: bees are and squirrels are.
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  Speaker 2: I keep wanting to change, I keep wanting to transpose
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  Speaker 2: that into the song Let's do it, Let's fall in love.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the.
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  Speaker 2: Dogs do it, bees do it, even ordinary mease do it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do some drugs.
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  Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: There's some poetry to that. We know that there are
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  Speaker 1: four primary things the scientists are going to look at.
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  Speaker 1: One fossilized plants and seeds found alongside human remains. And
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  Speaker 1: then the second, as we're saying, residue of alcoholic beverages.
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  Speaker 2: It implements even like you know, vessels and various pipes
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  Speaker 2: and stuff that we'll get into a little further down
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  Speaker 2: the line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, psychoactive alkaloids and human skeletal remains, which means, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you do have a permanent record, and if people dig
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  Speaker 1: up your body, they are going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: tell if you like to party. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean aren't there even ways of using like bone
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  Speaker 2: samples and things like that? I mean, I know that
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  Speaker 2: certain drugs stay in your hair for a really long time,
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  Speaker 2: followed those seven to ten years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe not with ancient remains? Yeah, how do
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  Speaker 1: you keep it there? There were ways?
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  Speaker 2: So, Ben, as you point out in this wonderful research
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  Speaker 2: brief that you put together for beer, wine, weed opium,
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  Speaker 2: it seems that the ancient inhabitants, this is from the
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  Speaker 2: book you reference of the Near East had a rock
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  Speaker 2: and roll lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: How do they afford it? You may ask, Actually, it
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  Speaker 1: was quite the contrary.
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  Speaker 2: The consumption of psychoactive substances in the ancient Near East
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  Speaker 2: differed dramatically from that image.
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  Speaker 3: Why is that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. Professor Guierro Dece says that our predecessors made
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  Speaker 1: their use drug use beneficial to society by integrating them
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  Speaker 1: into social, religious, and medicinal practices. That leads to our
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  Speaker 1: fourth point the artistic renderings, right, the bas reliefs and
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  Speaker 1: the carvings you see of people drinking weird stuff from
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  Speaker 1: a chalice, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so they weren't just willy nilly going off the rails.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of all like much more of a
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  Speaker 2: hyahuasca session rather than just like a raucous Saturday night, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's what a vision quest or some sort of religious ceremony.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like how knights maybe took a bath
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  Speaker 1: once a year and it was really rocked in their world.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like this, this issue that Gera Deutcha is saying,
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  Speaker 1: places the idea of consuming intoxicating substances entirely in the
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  Speaker 1: realm of religious or spiritual experience, like how wine has
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  Speaker 1: a significant role in Judaism and then later comes to
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  Speaker 1: symbolize the blood of Jesus Christ for Christians for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that so many ancient people
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  Speaker 2: would drink fermented beverages because the water was befouled and
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  Speaker 2: it would, you know, cause them to be sickened.
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  Speaker 3: So the beer, the ale, the mead, the wine.
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  Speaker 1: Was a lot safer, absolutely, and we always have to
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  Speaker 1: make that point. And the thing is, with great respect
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  Speaker 1: to the experts, we don't really buy it. Drug use
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  Speaker 1: is more common among the upper echelons of any society.
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  Speaker 1: But it does beggar credulity to imagine that everybody else
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  Speaker 1: in those given societies didn't know what the one percenters
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  Speaker 1: were up to. It's just beyond bizarre to imagine that
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  Speaker 1: out of all those non wealthy people, not one ever
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  Speaker 1: tried to lift the pot, you know, or light a
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  Speaker 1: pipe or chase the dragons of their own I think
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  Speaker 1: people were getting high all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fair to make that assumption. So let's
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  Speaker 2: just start from there. Throughout human history, during all of
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  Speaker 2: the horror and triumph and you know, up highs and lows,
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  Speaker 2: strikes and gutters, it was always beneficial for an individual
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  Speaker 2: to be able to kind of, you know, change their
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  Speaker 2: head a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like the hippies.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, tune in, drop out. I mean it could
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  Speaker 1: be for religious purposes, like you were saying, no greater
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  Speaker 1: insight into the world around you.
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  Speaker 2: Or just entertainment purposes, just likement a brief diversion from
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  Speaker 2: the hellish existence on planet Earth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone in fourteen hundred CE is saying there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: on TV. Let's smoke opium and somebody else is smoking
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  Speaker 1: opium with them and they say, what's TV? And they're like,
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  Speaker 1: I forgot For something more practical, they could be using
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  Speaker 1: substances to stay awake and alert for longer periods of time,
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  Speaker 1: like caffeine, like the betel nut way. Before things like there,
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  Speaker 1: people were getting high as kites and they were doing
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  Speaker 1: that before kites were invented. I mean it kind of
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  Speaker 1: sounds like, dude, I wanted to ask you this on air.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't a kite sound like an invention someone would come
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  Speaker 1: up with while they were high on something. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of like I mean, like when you see that
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  Speaker 1: plastic bag just blowing in the breeze and you think
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  Speaker 1: it's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. You know
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  Speaker 1: that's American beauty, right, Yeah it is. But it also
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  Speaker 1: requires being on weed.
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  Speaker 3: Man. Oh yeah, that guy sold weed.
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  Speaker 2: So And it's the funniest thing too, because I swear
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  Speaker 2: it's one of the earliest memories I have of seeing
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  Speaker 2: like weed depicted in a movie, Like I think it
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  Speaker 2: was before I even know it's does this holds true
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  Speaker 2: in Half Baked as well?
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  Speaker 3: But in American beauty Ricky, I believe is a character's name.
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  Speaker 2: He shows the you know, Kevin Spacey father character his
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  Speaker 2: stash that he's gonna sell on some weed and says,
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  Speaker 2: it's like this G thirteen man government, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, genetically engineered, and it just looks.
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  Speaker 1: Like a brick of like you know, gray material.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't look anything like what we think of marijuana
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  Speaker 2: looks like today. And I guess they could get away
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  Speaker 2: with it back then because people just weren't as hip
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  Speaker 2: to what it looked like.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, it looked like a slab of
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  Speaker 3: liver pudding.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It reminds me of that phenomenal Mitch Hedberg observation
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  Speaker 1: where he was working on a film and he had
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  Speaker 1: a smoke weed with Willie Nelson, famous pothead and beautiful guy.
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  Speaker 1: But because it was filmed in the US, he had
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  Speaker 1: to smoke something that was not weed with the real
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  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, and he said it was way better than
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  Speaker 1: his usual experience, which is smoking real weed with people
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  Speaker 1: who look like Willie Nelson.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's fun.
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  Speaker 1: I would think Willy Nelson wouldn't have abided by that.
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  Speaker 1: The trailer was refused. I will walk off of this
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  Speaker 1: set if you don't give me my real Mary Jane.
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  Speaker 1: What a redheaded stranger. It turns out that aside from
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  Speaker 1: the big drugs you've heard about today in twenty twenty six, folk,
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot more substances that people used to
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  Speaker 1: get blotto off of. Let's get to some specific examples
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  Speaker 1: with a big shout out to the infamous anarchist cookbook
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  Speaker 1: Nutmeg Nol. Do you have nutmeg in your spice rack?
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  Speaker 2: It's funny you should ask that, Ben. I had a
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  Speaker 2: couple of people over for some food and drinks the
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  Speaker 2: other night I'm working with on a podcast, and I
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  Speaker 2: got the stuff to make painkillers the tiki drink, which
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  Speaker 2: is dark rum light rum orange juice, cream of coconut
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  Speaker 2: pineapple juice and garnished with some nutmeg.
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  Speaker 1: So I did.
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  Speaker 2: I thought was pretty sure I had some, And I
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  Speaker 2: sure did because, unlike maybe the people were about to
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  Speaker 2: talk about, I have not tried.
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  Speaker 3: To use my nutmeg to get high with, so I
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  Speaker 3: had plenty left. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Nutmeg also known as meristic of fragrance if you're fancy,
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  Speaker 1: it is a cooking spice that's very common here in
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  Speaker 1: the United States and abroad because it has this war
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  Speaker 1: you know, I always think of it. I always associate
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  Speaker 1: it with autumn, autumnal holiday meals, and it's like vaga adjacent,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's got it's a
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  Speaker 1: secret third thing. It has a warmth to it like that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a nostalgia.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, man, I mean, you're right, man,
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  Speaker 2: that's very accurate autumnal cozy.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't really taste sweet. It just has this this
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  Speaker 1: thing I don't know how to do. It's like I
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  Speaker 1: have a warm hug from a relative U see once
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  Speaker 1: a year.
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  Speaker 2: Just so, but just don't ingest too much, because then
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  Speaker 2: that warm hug could turn, uh turn dark.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Nutmeg used to be a way bigger deal, especially during
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  Speaker 1: the age of the global spice trade. Sailors would go
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  Speaker 1: absolutely bonkers for this stuff. And these guys weren't using
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  Speaker 1: it to make puddings or to make tea drinks. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I have questions for you off air about the teaki drinks.
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  Speaker 1: It comes from Indonesia. The humble nutmeg tree grows a
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  Speaker 1: fruit that holds the nutmeg seed. After you get the
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  Speaker 1: nutmeg fruit, which a lot of us don't eat here
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  Speaker 1: in the States. You can dry that seed and you
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  Speaker 1: can you know, grind it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fancy boys making cocktails or whatever will actually
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  Speaker 2: just grate the fresh the seed. The dried seed look
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  Speaker 2: like a microplane greater. I'm not that handsil, but it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It definitely gives it an extra little kick.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's all going back to Okay, So the real
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  Speaker 1: thing is you read the Anarchist Cookbook and they'll say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: kids who want to be bad, go down to your parents'
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  Speaker 1: spice rack, right, or go up to your parents spice
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  Speaker 1: rack or wherever it is, and then get a tablespoon
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  Speaker 1: of nutmeg and just snarf it and try not to vomit,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll get high because nutmeg contains something called maristicin.
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  Speaker 2: And much like the viral cinnamon challenge, nutmeg is kind
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  Speaker 2: of like eating grated wood. And if you put a
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  Speaker 2: whole spoonful of that in your mouth and try to
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  Speaker 2: swallow it, you will vomit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you might.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what they recommend in the Anarchist cookbook.
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  Speaker 2: It definitely does have psychoactic properties, but how one goes
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  Speaker 2: about ingesting it is another thing altogether.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed, similar to ayahuasca, which also that's a really
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  Speaker 1: good point due because it it maybe helps us explain
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  Speaker 1: the ritualized use of these substances that don't have nutritional value.
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  Speaker 1: So you're hanging with the shaman, you get the little
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  Speaker 1: orange mushroom or whatever, and they pound it to a
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  Speaker 1: paste and the whole time somebody's chanting in the background,
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  Speaker 1: and they look at you and say, Okay, you are
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  Speaker 1: going to throw up, but I promise it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be worth.
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  Speaker 2: It for sure. And that's more like throwing up because
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  Speaker 2: it makes you tell me all weird. But like you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking more in terms of like it will.
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  Speaker 3: Make a joke. Yeah, it will make you physically choke.
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  Speaker 2: But it does turn out that if you are able to,
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  Speaker 2: you could probably put it in capsules.
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  Speaker 1: Don't listen to me, what am I talking about?
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  Speaker 2: But there you know, if you were able to ingest
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  Speaker 2: a large enough dose, you would absolutely, I believe ben
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  Speaker 2: experience some form of psychoactive kind of what's the word
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  Speaker 2: looking for after effects?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, This maristicin stuff is found in the essential oils
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  Speaker 1: of all sorts of plants, parsley, dill, nutmeg. It is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it's huge nutmeg itself. So maybe again we're not saying
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  Speaker 1: anything one way or the other, but maybe nutmeg oil
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  Speaker 1: to get past that dry mouth. The thing you have
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to know is one, don't take drugs here responsibly. And two,
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  Speaker 1: when this mariein breaks down in the human body, it
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  Speaker 1: affects the sympathetic nervous system. And people knew about this
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  Speaker 1: in the western world all the way back in the
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  Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, And like you know, that's the kicker of
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  Speaker 2: the whole deal, right, I mean, if you eat around
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  Speaker 2: ten nutmeg nuts, that will potentially, you know, gets you
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  Speaker 2: to trip, so to speak. But it can also be
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  Speaker 2: enough that would actually really do a number on your
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  Speaker 2: liver because it would become toxic inside your body.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we know that there was a pregnant woman
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  Speaker 1: who had, as you said, eat more than ten nutmeg nuts,
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  Speaker 1: not grated straight up, and things did not go well
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  Speaker 1: for her. We believe she survived. If we fast forward
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  Speaker 1: to the eighteen hundreds, we see an eighteen year old
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  Speaker 1: who complains of nausea, dizziness, heart palpitations, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: like you said earlier, noel dry mouth. She didn't say
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  Speaker 1: she had halluc nations, but she said she felt like
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  Speaker 1: she was disoriented in a trance like state. It looks
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  Speaker 1: like she actually, this unfortunate victim consumed a little less
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  Speaker 1: than fifty grams of nutmeg in a milkshake, and then
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  Speaker 1: thirty minutes later she was probably like, this milkshake isn't bunk,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just like eating a cannabis edible. It kicked in.
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  Speaker 2: I could see how I adding some a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of nutmeg to a nice chocolate milkshake might be delicious.
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  Speaker 2: Little perhaps a pumpkin spice situation. Yeah, yeah, just just
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  Speaker 2: to taste, not just yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Cinnamon adjacent, right, And so people would get high off nutmeg.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And it was also a flex when nutmeg was a
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  Speaker 1: very big deal during the spice trade, right, and much
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  Speaker 1: more rare in global markets. So for the sailors, it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: kind of like their burning money, you know, it's a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: big flex for lighting cigars with one hundred dollar bills.
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  Speaker 1: Just so, yes, sir, uh, now we've got to get
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  Speaker 1: to something that is, uh, maybe not appropriate for all
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  Speaker 1: the ridiculous historians in the audience. So this is your warning.
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  Speaker 2: Uh this as if we've been particularly appropriate up to now.
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  Speaker 2: But I do appreciate the warning.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Oh, yes, I hope we all do. We've got
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to talk all about something called Hio simanus niger.
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  Speaker 3: And the Vivich.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, otherwise known as henbane. What do we need
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to know about this one?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I said, if you want to see a pretty
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: crazy and psychedelically terrifying portrayal of this, do watch Robert
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Egger's film The Witch, affectionately referred to as the Vivich.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: He's also got this new werewolf movie coming out soon
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that looks incredible. Yes, Vervo, Vervo and the Vivich. You
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: can do a double feature once it comes out. But
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: in that film, there is a of the Woods type
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: character who is seen mixing a poultice is kind of
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a gooey's substance that I think spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 3: In the movie is involves.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: The remains of a baby, but it would appear that
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: she is mixing up quite the potent brew of something
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: referred to as flying ointments, which would be a mix
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  Speaker 2: of what you were describing. There been the Hio Seimus niger,
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  Speaker 2: a hallucinogen which grows in certain parts of Europe as
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: well as Western Asia as well as parts of England
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  Speaker 2: and Ireland. That has been used as far back as
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: potentially those berserkers we were talking about of the Viking fame,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Viking fame to give them trippy visions, potentially during rituals
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: or potentially as a way of making them go absolutely
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: bonkers in the battlefield.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing is the historical records from mostly from
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  Speaker 1: southern Europe and a little bit of the Scandinavian countries
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  Speaker 1: say these people would put hinbane in things that they drank,
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  Speaker 1: their various beverages, and they would lead to unseemly and
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  Speaker 1: demodest axe gestures and expressions. So if you drink too
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  Speaker 1: much of this hinbane laced stuff, which people did on purpose,
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  Speaker 1: you would get stomach cramps, you'd start convulsing, you would
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  Speaker 1: have the sensation that various parts of your body were burning,
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  Speaker 1: and then if you drank too too much, you would die.
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  Speaker 1: But most people didn't get to that point, they just
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: got giddy and stupefhoric.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Well, and it is again implied in the movie The
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Witch that this witch is making this stuff, putting it
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: on her broomstick, and then it giving her the power
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  Speaker 2: of flight. Hence the legendary idea of flying ointment, but
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  Speaker 2: more likely did was make her hallucinate or give the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: sense of being disconnected from the ground, almost like in
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: a disassociative kind of allucinogenic way, and have the sensation
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  Speaker 2: of flight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, feeling like you can fly. And this was
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: often depending on which his story and you ask, This
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was often head and bane or hemlock and deadly nightshade combined.
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  Speaker 1: It was best absorbed through bucus membranes, so we don't
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  Speaker 1: have to walk through the rest of.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, yeah, broomstick. Yeah, no, okay, y'all can
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: use context.
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  Speaker 3: We're here, families.
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  Speaker 1: Know we've got to talked about.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Well, Ben, I will say too, though in the Witch
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  Speaker 2: and in a lot of the mythology around this, you
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: do usually see which is writing those broomsticks backwards? Oh man, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the implication being that perhaps it's inserted.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: While oh boy, how are we going to get out
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of this one?
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  Speaker 3: I think we've already gotten there.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: We have to just leave it. Okay, Well, we'll go
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to ancient Greece that and we'll talk about something I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: also like to insert things, right they We're going to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: talk briefly about something called k y Ka release Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So there are a lot of mystery religions in ancient Greece,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: especially things like the Illucidian mysteries. They had this big
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: ceremony we don't know much about, but historians, Again, some
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: historians are going to argue that it involved the consumption
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of a special brew that was made with water barley,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: an herb called penny Royal and psyche is have you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: tried Penny Royal?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: No? I just know it was an early abortion remedy
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that's right, remedy the wrong word, I'm sorry, and a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: way of of of terminating a pregnancy, let's just say.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: And there is a Nirvana song called Penny Royalty that
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: they play.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's only in the Unplugged.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: The boffins now believe that the psychoactive or drug element
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: of this of this drink was ergot. And I know
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: you and I have been fascinated by this for a while.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Remember the creepy way the corn looked in the bitch,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: That was another implication there, this ergot poisoning of crops
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that were kind of had turned. There was some sort
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: of I guess a blight that would affect certain crops
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: specifically corn and wheat, I want to say, and it
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: was a fungus called ergot that when consumed, could potentially
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: cause hallucinations. And this was not blame and necessarily on
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the witches themselves, but it was blamed on the hallucinations
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of the townsfolk who maybe saw others and believed them
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to be witches. Right, yeah, yeah, because of the hysteria
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: kind of. But I believe that's been largely debunked in
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: many ways.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: A lot of it has, a lot of it has
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and Salem witch trial wise, right, yeah, we do know
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that ergot consumption probably led to some shenanigans in the
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: European sphere. We do know that various historians have proposed
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: it as part of the moral panic of the Salem
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: witch trials and other related witch trials. Here in the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: United States, Kaikian is not super available. Now, You're not
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: going to find it at your local Trader Joe's, but
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: keep an eye out and don't do it. But if
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: you do do it, let us know how it works
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  Speaker 1: out for you.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Well, Ben, I am heading to Trader Joe's right at
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: this courting, so I'll take a look and see if
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: they've they've added it to the to this week's drops.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You're the best man, keep us updated. Okay, Uh, we've
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: got to.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Be good on like a like a like a pizza chip.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Everything's pretty good on a pedah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Are you a hummus guy, It's just got a good crunch,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I I want to be and I am sometimes, but
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I will often buy aspirational hummus and then forget to
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: eat it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got to go for We've
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: got to find. You have to find your hummus.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And I think the thing with hummus for me is
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's a window past which I'm a
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: little iffy about eating it anymore, you know, irrespective of
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: like sell by dates, there's just something about the consistency
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of it that if I don't eat it like right away,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the more it sits, the more I'm kind of like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: is this so good?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I'm a jerk about hummus too, and I try to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I try to keep my my dogs in line and
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in control. But man, when I get a hummus that
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: has like a good pine nut or pineut garlic, you
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: know they only put it at the very top of it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: If I eat that stuff immediately, unlike the kto only
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: eats the corner brownie.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I'm the same way, Ben.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That little circle of pine nuttery and olive oil in
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the middle, very very good.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: That's the good part. We have time maybe to talk
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: about just one more and.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't clear, we're going to make this another
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: one of our occasional series. And I think there's a
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: lot more where this came from. But I'm excited about
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: this one. Ben, You're okay, okay, maybe.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: The wrong word. I'm interested. I'm intrigued. I was. I
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: was intrigued too when you said that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I did say Deadly knight Shade earlier, referring to a mushroom,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and all my heart was in the right place. Ain't
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: no mushroom called deadly night shade. There's something else entirely that,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: there's that very creepy name.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I was so excited because I was going to ask you,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: have you ever tried Bella Donna? I don't know how
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: you would say that casually if you're hanging out with
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: people who participate in this stuff and someone's like, oh man,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: have you tried you know, insert drug here, and then
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: trying to be cool and not look like a cop
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I would be like, I don't know, have you tried
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Bella Donna?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: There you go. I like that, Ben, that's a good method.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Bella donnas as Yeah, we're talking historical drugs here. This
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: is not one that you would necessarily be rocking to today.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It is also known as Deadly night shade. You might
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: recall it being one of the doctor in Nightmare before Christmas,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the materials that he uses to make.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yeah, Deadly night Shade.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I think that's what actually Sally puts in his soup
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to make him go to sleep.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong. It is incredibly potent.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Only one or two berries is all it takes to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: cause you to feel some hallucingenic effects. And if you
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: can imagine, getting upwards of three to maybe even ten
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: would really start to cause you to loutinate and then
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: potentially pass.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: That would would start to cause your liver to shut down.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it can kill you. It's so potent to your point, Noel,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that even the honey made by Bees with Belladonna nectar
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: will contain doses of the drug, so you can get
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: high off Belladonna. Honey, Belladonna, honey, excuse me. And this
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: was this was a huge poison in the ancient world,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: for right.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's where I mainly hear about it is
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: in like, you know, stories of intrigue and murder most foul.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know that both Emperor Augustus and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Cloudius were allegedly poisoned by their wives. Yeah, using belladonna
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and a woman's weapon, they would say, right, yeah, of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: course of history here.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Are you watching the new House of Dragons House of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the Dragon.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought that first episode utterly slapped. Yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I felt like they've stopped real short at the end
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: of the last season where this should have been the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: last episode of the previous season, and it was fantastic,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: fully on board.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: We know that also belladonna was used in eye drops
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: during the Renaissance in Europe. I didn't know we had
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: eye drops in the Renaissance.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Is this sort of like Jimmy Hendrix like putting lsd
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: in his eyes or like behind his instead band And it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Was weird cosmetic thing because again these are apocryphal reports,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: but the idea was that if you are trying to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: really pop in a room in the cork, jeez, you
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: put a little bella dotta in your eyes because it
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: makes your eyes like your pupils dilate. Oh and you
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: look at you know, like anime station. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you get the big anime eyes. People still use bella
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: dotta and chemical derivatives today.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, so it is around, But though, can we at
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  Speaker 2: least agree that maybe it's a little bit more a niche?
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  Speaker 1: I think so not in that top four list that
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  Speaker 1: we mentioned at the beginning of the show. Sir, if
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  Speaker 1: you and I and Max you're here too, and if
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  Speaker 1: we're hanging out, uh on Max's beachfront property and some
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: guy walks up and tries to sell us cannabis, sure, fine,
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  Speaker 1: do what you will. But if that guy also tried
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  Speaker 1: to sell us belladonna, I think we need a signal
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  Speaker 1: so we all know to get away.
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  Speaker 2: I would also only really take him seriously if he
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  Speaker 2: was wearing like a rough you know, a round collar
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  Speaker 2: and some some some maybe pantaloons perhaps, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: had like bells on the end of excuse me, sir,
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  Speaker 2: could I interest you in some fine belladonna for your
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  Speaker 2: beach front lounging.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, if you buy over a certain amount,
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  Speaker 1: you get a broomstick too, and I'd be like, no, Max,
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  Speaker 1: why is this guy winking at us and one Hen
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  Speaker 1: and one Hen with the bane? Uh, this is just
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  Speaker 1: as you said the beginning of the story. This is
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  Speaker 1: part of we have to keep it. We have to,
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  Speaker 1: we have to, we must. We shall tune in for
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  Speaker 1: our next installment of weird things that people used to
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  Speaker 1: get high off of. To be clear, it won't be
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  Speaker 1: the next thing, but it will be next. It will
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  Speaker 1: come when it comes. Yes, Yeah, and that's not because
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  Speaker 1: we're experimenting at all. We've just got more research to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, folks, thank you for tuning in. Please
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  Speaker 1: check out our upcoming what I think is going to
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: be a two part series minimum Ridiculous History of Saturday
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Morning Cartoons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we would talk about that kind of off air.
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  Speaker 2: We maybe even came up in an episode. But just
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  Speaker 2: this idea of like how Saturday Morning cartoons.
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  Speaker 3: Sort of were a way of getting around.
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  Speaker 2: Laws in order to advertise more stuff for kids to
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  Speaker 2: guilt their parents into buying them.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Shout out to g I Joe, Shout
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  Speaker 1: out to mask thunder Cat. Well, we'll get into all
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to the Masters of the universe bearing the
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  Speaker 2: lead in theatos now not a sponsor.
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  Speaker 1: You said it was pretty good. I did well.
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  Speaker 2: I meant sure for it, tame I had, I had
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  Speaker 2: the action figures. I was a big he man guy
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  Speaker 2: before you know what replaced he man for me.
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  Speaker 3: Ben.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into this in the episode. I think this
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  Speaker 2: is true of a lot of kids of a certain
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  Speaker 2: age and kids anymore. I mean Ninja turtles. That was
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  Speaker 2: my trajectory. You went from he man to Ninja turtles
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  Speaker 2: kind of replacing he man entirely.
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  Speaker 1: Turtle Time. Big shout out to our super producer, mister
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  Speaker 1: Max Beachhead Williams. Big thanks to our composer Alex Williams,
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  Speaker 1: who created this slap and bop for us, and we
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  Speaker 1: should hang out with them soon.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we got to.
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  Speaker 2: Man. Ben, I'm just gonna go ahead and call you
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  Speaker 2: out on you said turtle time. I think you meant
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  Speaker 2: turtle power. Baby, You're right, I meant turtle power. Now
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  Speaker 2: is the turtle time to say turtle power?
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  Speaker 1: Did you know? Ben? We'll talk about this again.
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  Speaker 2: It turns out the idea of power was really appealing
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  Speaker 2: to kids, and that's why you hear it so often,
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  Speaker 2: Like a he man power and teenage me Ninja turtles.
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  Speaker 2: It was all about that turtle power because kids inherently
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  Speaker 2: feel a little power less, so when you offer them
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  Speaker 2: the power, they're really into.
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  Speaker 1: It big Thanks to the most power hungry guy we know,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland ak the quist. Oh my gosh, yes, indeed
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  Speaker 1: we cuss his name, but also he's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: cool guy and we miss you. But what the rude
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  Speaker 1: dude's a ridiculous crime who will be dropping by sooner
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  Speaker 1: rather than later, I think, of course, and Christopher Osiotis
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  Speaker 1: and Eve Jef Coats here in spirit. Eve's Jeff Coat
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  Speaker 1: here in spirit.
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  Speaker 2: Along with if we're gonna mention the quizt, we got
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: to mention the puzzler aj Bahamas Jacobs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, can you imagine us quizzing old Bahamas
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  Speaker 1: about some of this stuff. We didn't even get to
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  Speaker 1: smoking banana pitts.
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  Speaker 3: I think, oh, that'll be fun. That'll be a pune
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  Speaker 3: coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, we should pit the quizt and
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  Speaker 2: the Puzzler against each other in a quiz puzzle off.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. This is a great idea. We should
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  Speaker 1: end the episode now and get to work on it.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks.
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