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Killer Thriller: Tori Spelling Wanted to Break Free from “Donna Martin” the Virgin. This Was the Role. · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Elisa Donovan here back with a new episode
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  Speaker 1: of Killer Thriller. Now. I know that we are here
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  Speaker 1: to feature true crime, guilty pleasure, but today we are
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  Speaker 1: combining all the things we obsess about at once. My
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  Speaker 1: guest is none other than nineties teen drama Queen Tory Spelling. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: my friend, Hi, we're here. Tory starred as Stacy Lockwood
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  Speaker 1: in the film A Friend to Die For, which was
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  Speaker 1: the most watched TV movie of nineteen ninety four, and,
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  Speaker 1: depending on where in the world you were watching it
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  Speaker 1: or on what network, the movie was also known as
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  Speaker 1: Death of a Cheerleader. The film is based on the
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  Speaker 1: true story of the nineteen eighty four murder of Kirsten
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  Speaker 1: Costas Pou, their high school cheerleader in Arenda, California, who
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  Speaker 1: was stabbed to death by her classmate Bernadette Protty, driven
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  Speaker 1: by jealousy over popularity and social status. Tory, Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Killer Thriller.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Love the pop Thank.
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  Speaker 2: You, I mean true I love true crime, I mean
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  Speaker 2: who doesn't, And I love you. So the pairing is perfect. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for that intro. I feel really good right
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  Speaker 2: now coming in.
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  Speaker 3: I would like to add.
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  Speaker 2: It was the first TV movie that took viewers away
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  Speaker 2: from Monday night football and.
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  Speaker 1: Actually that is raty excellent. One night it did it.
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  Speaker 3: Over football, over football.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is like something it's like almost unheard of,
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  Speaker 1: like it is a highly unusual thing to do. And
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  Speaker 1: every there's something about that time when people everyone watching
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  Speaker 1: something at the same time. It's really powerful, like it's
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  Speaker 1: a really it becomes a part of the zeitgeist. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like why people you know, that's just a great
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  Speaker 1: sort of connective tissue.
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  Speaker 3: You said zitgeist, and it was really sexy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say it againzitgeist. So playing I know this is
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago, but playing a character that is
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  Speaker 1: a real person and with having something so tragic happened
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  Speaker 1: to them, how did you even how do you prepare
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  Speaker 1: for that? Or what do you remember most about it?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I know you've talked to Kelly Martin. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: And we didn't realize we had the shared experience until
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  Speaker 2: like years later because we became adult friends and lived
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  Speaker 2: in the same community and both had pigs and.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh my gosh, I didn't know that you guys
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  Speaker 1: both had pigs.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she still has them.
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  Speaker 1: You had to let it go. You had to let
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  Speaker 1: the pig go.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 1: I will have you have a lot of children and pigs.
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  Speaker 1: This just seems like too much, too much.
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  Speaker 2: She makes it all work, though, but this is something
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  Speaker 2: at the time. So first of all, this was it's
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  Speaker 2: so hard because now it's a TV movie. Back then
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  Speaker 2: we called them movies of the week.
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  Speaker 1: Of the week. That's right, m ow.
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  Speaker 2: I was in it to when it Nino two and
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  Speaker 2: had taken off. It was a huge success. This was
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  Speaker 2: the first project that I was just straight offered.
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  Speaker 1: So that's an exciting feeling.
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  Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, so that was really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember, okay, I remember it was right after
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  Speaker 2: the north Ridge earthquake. My apartment had damage to it
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  Speaker 2: and I was going to it fixed and the ceilings
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  Speaker 2: and everything, and they were like, okay, we need you
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  Speaker 2: to kind of move out for a bit. So it
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  Speaker 2: was the nineties. It was nine o two and oh
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  Speaker 2: I was on Beverly Hills. I'm making apologies here. So
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  Speaker 2: of course I went to the Peninsula.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you did, because that's what you do. When
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  Speaker 1: you have to move out for a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know any better.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, where they finished my Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: this is nothing to do with what.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But well now I want to know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I love a good story.
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  Speaker 2: And I haven't told anyone this ever, like I'm just
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  Speaker 2: remembering it for the first time. So I had to
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  Speaker 2: move out and they were like, oh, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Like three days.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, I got to tell you go into work
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  Speaker 2: room services.
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  Speaker 1: From the Peninla I go every night. Where did you
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  Speaker 1: guys shoot? Did you shoot here?
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  Speaker 3: Van? I?
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  Speaker 2: So it was still I was doing nine o two
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  Speaker 2: and oh so Van eyes in the valley, so driving
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  Speaker 2: from Beverly Hill, which was fine, but I staid the
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  Speaker 2: Peninsula for a month. Oh but I tell this story
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  Speaker 2: only because I came home from work and I was
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  Speaker 2: by myself, and my agent had sent over the script
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  Speaker 2: for Death of a Cheerleader which friend to die for? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: same movie, same movie anyway, send over the script and
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  Speaker 2: I can see myself right now sitting at the desk,
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  Speaker 2: and I had ordered room.
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  Speaker 3: Service friend onion soup.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the salad soup, big fan uh, And I
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  Speaker 2: was reading the script and I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: this is so cool.
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  Speaker 3: Of course I was in at offer, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, like yeah right right, You're like, yeah, yes, what
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  Speaker 1: is it?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not worthy. You know, I'm not Brenda, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not Kelly and Ninos and I'm Donna.
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  Speaker 2: It was still like early on, still like and it's
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  Speaker 2: something my dad hasn't produced.
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  Speaker 3: No one's gonna believe this. So I was still in my.
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  Speaker 2: Mindset of like not feeling worthy, so getting that script.
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  Speaker 2: And also it was like I was known for like
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  Speaker 2: Donna Martin, the good girl, and it was like wait,
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  Speaker 2: I could like bite my teeth into this. She was
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  Speaker 2: like it's not so good girl. She was like the
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  Speaker 2: bee right school. And I was like I'm gonna yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna prove myself. So anyway, preparation wise, Kelly and
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  Speaker 2: I we didn't know back then, like things based on
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  Speaker 2: true stories.
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  Speaker 3: You do research, right, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't, so you didn't know anything about SAD.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not like I was like IM not going
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  Speaker 2: to even do that. No, I can't even tell you.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember a lot obviously details if I was
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  Speaker 2: even told by my like Mandarin agent or producers when
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  Speaker 2: I arrived, like hey, this is based on.
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  Speaker 1: A real girl. Oh my gosh, wait a second. So
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  Speaker 1: you didn't even know that it was based on a
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  Speaker 1: real crime or you don't remember pretty good with memory.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I was told, but I didn't know what that meant.
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  Speaker 1: I think your agents are also like just say yes
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  Speaker 1: because they offered it to you, right, It was because well,
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  Speaker 1: I will say, in.
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  Speaker 3: My doing my research, like her, if you look.
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  Speaker 1: At well, the funny thing is, well, it's not funny.
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  Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is when I was watching it
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  Speaker 1: and then doing the research of the actual girls, it's
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: like you are reversed. Yeah, Like so it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit confusing in that way.
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  Speaker 2: So you can see like on set there was never like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: can we change your hair a little bit, let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: There was no conversations with makeup, hair, wardrobe.
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  Speaker 1: I think also because they wanted you. They wanted people
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  Speaker 1: to know this is Tory spelling, right, which is probably
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  Speaker 1: also something you couldn't wrap your head around at the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that.
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  Speaker 2: I really feel like these were not conversations. Yeah, as
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  Speaker 2: young people, we were just like brought in like show up,
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  Speaker 2: memorize your lines, do your job like sanaa Mark and
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  Speaker 2: well you don't ask questions.
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  Speaker 1: Also, even now in doing the research for this, when
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  Speaker 1: I knew I was talking to you and to Kelly
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  Speaker 1: and all the rear like the info that the producers
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  Speaker 1: give me, it's hard to find information because these people
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  Speaker 1: didn't really want to talk about it because it was
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  Speaker 1: so devastating to the community. So they're really There's one
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  Speaker 1: Rolling Stone article that's very long and interviews a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different people, but even Amy Sugarman, who grew up
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  Speaker 1: there like down the street from where this happened, and
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: she she talks about it, saying like she would be
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: walking around looking for the Pinto, like looking for the
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: car before they knew who it was, and so she
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  Speaker 1: has very visceral memories of this time. She also like,
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  Speaker 1: they just don't want to talk about it, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of understandable. So maybe it's also I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: couldn't even like then, you know, this information super Highway
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  Speaker 1: was not the same exactly we were hammering like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's front page news on a rock.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like you were like unless we could went
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  Speaker 1: into the library, right, you could just like even like
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  Speaker 1: scan articles, Yeah, scan articles. I do remember doing.
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  Speaker 3: That scanner look at them.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I do have one memory, and this is this is
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  Speaker 2: probably when I put it all together, and not put
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  Speaker 2: it all together, but really understood it. The one scene
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  Speaker 2: where she's past already. It's in the hospital. Gosh, I
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  Speaker 2: can't even remember if they aired it.
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  Speaker 3: They might have.
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  Speaker 2: We were filming it and I was laying on a
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  Speaker 2: table in the hospital and that's when like the family
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: comes and they're like, oh, there's a doctor, and I
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  Speaker 2: remember some conversation. I couldn't really hear about how this
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  Speaker 2: actually happened. When the family came and identified her at
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  Speaker 2: the hospital and she you know, they had to she
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  Speaker 2: was passed past.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like trying to be this is so like delicate,
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  Speaker 3: like yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, that's the only time I ever really knew.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean so so much of this is so Bernadette,
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  Speaker 1: who Kelly plays in real life. Her letter that she
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  Speaker 1: writes explained it's sort of heartbreaking. She felt, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in her in her own words, it was like going
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  Speaker 1: back to school to Marramante High was worse to her
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  Speaker 1: than it was a fate worse than death, basically because
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  Speaker 1: she felt so compromised and so unpopular, and so she
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  Speaker 1: was so worried that this girl was going to expose
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  Speaker 1: her and like say bad things about her that she
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  Speaker 1: would rather like she felt like she had no options
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  Speaker 1: sort of, and that is like devastating.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we all like talk about that that feeling
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  Speaker 1: of like we I think about girls as age, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my daughter's thirteen, and how they can be so cruel
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  Speaker 1: to one another and that desire to be accepted. Like
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  Speaker 1: did you identify with that feeling at all or understand
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  Speaker 1: how that might you know, Kelly talked about it in
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  Speaker 1: her own way, but that's kind of like at the
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  Speaker 1: core of it. What you know, I always felt great
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  Speaker 1: with everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I being in school, I was kind of a floater,
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  Speaker 2: like I was I hate it clicks, like I hate
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  Speaker 2: that idea, but young impressionable, I was like, oh, the
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  Speaker 2: popular girls like want me in their group.
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  Speaker 1: Cool.
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  Speaker 2: But then I was like, I'm with like the drama
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  Speaker 2: club kids too, right, right, And you know I so
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  Speaker 2: I kind of was friends with everybody.
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  Speaker 3: But I think.
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  Speaker 2: In hindsight, like looking back now, that was probably a
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  Speaker 2: survival mechanism, like so that you didn't get bullied, like
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  Speaker 2: to try to please everyonebody, And I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have five kids, but I have two daughters and
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: they've definitely gone through bullying and it's just heartbreaking to know.
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  Speaker 1: That it's the worst.
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  Speaker 2: It's always like it's just it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: That never changes.
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  Speaker 1: It really doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: It really doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: And like that feeling to me, this movie it's like,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: how do you get from that feeling that we that
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  Speaker 1: we identify with and can understand to actually doing something
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  Speaker 1: so violent? Is just I'm like, how is is it
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: so impossible to believe? Or like what is the jump?
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: You know? And I that freaks me out. Do you
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  Speaker 1: believe that she really felt that way, that she felt
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  Speaker 1: that she had no optimized that is why she had
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  Speaker 1: I think if she had that feeling, she's not sane.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's something that's wrong with her. My my feeling
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  Speaker 1: about it all was like I had compassion for her.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: But then I also think goshing tires, but like that
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  Speaker 1: is just this is not.
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  Speaker 3: Know me.
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  Speaker 2: I cope with life uncomfortable stuff, with jokes, right, but
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: we're talking about talking about her person's and it's like, I.
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  Speaker 1: It's unimaginable. I mean it is. It's just like so
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  Speaker 1: I think about this, like with my daughter and she's
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  Speaker 1: had situations and Sam, you just I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the answer is, Like I don't even know exactly what
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking, but I like, I'm so curious about that space,
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  Speaker 1: Like would it be different now? You know? I said
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  Speaker 1: to Kelly, what would if if, you know, if there
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  Speaker 1: were social media back then, and I was saying, I
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  Speaker 1: think that would be it would be so much worse
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  Speaker 1: because she'd be so bullied and then but then Kelly said, conversely,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that person would have like found a community online
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  Speaker 1: or something that would have prevented her, which I think
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  Speaker 1: that's a more idealistic, you know, idea, but.
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  Speaker 2: Right, she was so isolated with no one to turn to.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I I think the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: All it's yeah, yeah, were you ever bully? Oh yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In eighth grade, my entire entire friend group turned against me. Everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember it being something about there was a
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  Speaker 1: boy that I liked and I think he liked me
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't like another friend. It was something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and the next thing I knew, they all just ghosted me,
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  Speaker 1: and I was so It's the only time in my
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  Speaker 1: life that I have been suicidal. Like I really felt
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  Speaker 1: like I had a moment. I remember being in our
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: backyard in the summer, nobody to call, like nobody to
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: hang out with, and I was so deeply depressed. And
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: then but the gift of that was then I started
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to really figure out, like who do I want to
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: be with? Who am I? And I was always an
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: artist and drawing and painting and acting and dancing and
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: doing you know, when I rode horses, and I was like, Okay,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: who am I really? And what do I want to do?
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  Speaker 1: And I really leaned into I found all these artists
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  Speaker 1: friends and they became like the core of my life,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And then that, you know, I based my
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  Speaker 1: character and clueless on one of these bitches that was
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  Speaker 1: mean to me, you know, So I feel like, you know,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: but that's not always the case, right, Like it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a rough. Those years are rough. They're just rough.
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  Speaker 3: Middle school. Oh god, it's just the worst.
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  Speaker 1: It's really really hard.
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  Speaker 2: I had something similar happen. I remember sixth grade Philip.
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  Speaker 2: I really liked him.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you at, Philip? Where are you at? Are
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: we gonna call him up? I remember when we called
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: him Jason when I was doing he did not take
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: my call. He did not take my call. We could
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: try again, we could try again.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember a girl saying, yeah, someone else
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  Speaker 2: likes same thing, so that can't happen.
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  Speaker 3: And if it happens, you're not going to be a
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  Speaker 3: part of this group.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sort of basically that was it? This this like,
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  Speaker 1: so do you think that here's another thing about the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: difference between today and now? In the movie then they
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: definitely made it seem like there were there was that
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  Speaker 1: hierarchy and the bullying aspect. Do you think that they
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: would that it's any different today? I guess we're sort
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: of asking I do we already answered the question.
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  Speaker 2: And it's it concerns me because I feel like it's
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: such a movement in social media has a lot to
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: do with this and influencers, but you know, sisterhood and like,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: you know, women supporting women and even going back then,
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  Speaker 2: like boys were kind of like they don't they don't
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  Speaker 2: they're not caddy, they're not right. They're not looking at
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  Speaker 2: another guy like, oh look what he's wearing. No, we're
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  Speaker 2: not talking to him or like it exactly, it's moving
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  Speaker 2: through it's and it's so and it bums me out
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  Speaker 2: because I want to say to my girls, like, yes,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: like women, we stick together, right, we rule this world, right,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: you know we have like golden uteruses like we yes,
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  Speaker 2: that's right.
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  Speaker 1: We make people. We are the special ones, the chosen ones.
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  Speaker 3: But it's still like, yeah, it's girls, and.
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  Speaker 2: I coulds have the same thing that it's always girls
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  Speaker 2: that are bullying them or doing something, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: is that ever gonna change?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting. I I know because I.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Because we're emotional and men kind of don't have that
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  Speaker 2: component to like do a deeper dive.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry men, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry guys, Sorry guys, you got to catch you.
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  Speaker 3: We love you.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like my daughter is very uh we
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: were pretty fortunate that her class and her friend group,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty good group of kids. But
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: at the same time, it does depend on that it's
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  Speaker 1: still there. I still see the instinct of several girls.
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  Speaker 1: And what I notice is it's the girls that don't
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that are insecure okay, yeah, that use it as a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: tool to sort of try to dominate or they can't
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: figure out what their place is so they're like, I'm
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: going to put you here, and you're going to put you.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It's really like a self esteem and a control thing.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: But so I think it's a little better now only
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: because it's more spoken about, you know, it's kind of
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: more out in the open.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, I was insecure and I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: still kind, like I don't.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Know, right, I mean, I always remember that about you
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and when we when I came on to nine o two,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and no I've said this before that you were so
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: welcoming and kind to me, just and very genuinely so
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: just like kind of silly and kind. And that was
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a very intimidating environment for me to be walking into
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: with all of you having worked together for so long.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: This show was so huge, and I was like, nay,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: very nervous, and you were so just lovely to me.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: So it's like you do that is very very true
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: about you, And.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It does mirror what happens in school. It's the same thing,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you know, like you would hope people would have the same.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Respect.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope it does change one day, because
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: how unfortunate something like this was due to that it
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: could have been avoided.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So this case is so complicated because uh,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like, was she a sociopath, and is
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that based on her deep you know, her feelings of
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: fear and inadequacy and the acceptance and all those things.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And because she was raised, yes, the home environment. They
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: were apparently very religious and very conservative, and you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: but she doesn't seem to have any real remorse. The
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: remorse that she has is based on what will happen
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to her and how people will feel about her, as
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: opposed to the fact that she took someone's life, Like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: how what do you make of that?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I think the proofs in the pudding.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's how can she not this?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And you're saying to date.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, in any of the articles and things that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I've read, which are now years old, but in the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in the movie and as well as in the documented
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: articles about this, she really said things like what are
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: people going to think of me? Like I can't go
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: back to school. It's like, well, no, you can't go
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: back to school because you murdered someone. I really wonder
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that too.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Can you go talk to her?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I wonder? Well, she's apparently changed her name and lives.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's very unclear where she's living right now,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: which is also understandable.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm curious what her life is like now.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I am very curious what her life is like now too.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And how do you ever? I mean, she also didn't
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: serve the full term of her sentence. She only served
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I think it was seven years, Yes, seven of the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: nine years.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Which is seven of the nine years?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Like why only nine?
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Why? Nine?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Right? That is so I don't know that's innately in
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you if that is your.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: A character flaw.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're capable or that incapable I should say,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: of managing your emotions. But I really it really doesn't
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: make me think about her family life, Like I wonder
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: if there was some kind of weird abuse, pressure and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: something like anything what leads a person to really feel
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like you have no other option? You know, that's so extreme.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And her sister, I wonder where her sister.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: The sister with the knife who was cutting the vegetables
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: with the knight. Do you remember this whole part of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the plot of the movie and the reality it was
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a part of the actual criminal case. It was very
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: key that the knife was in the car, that she
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: sleused it to slice vegetables, and that's why it was
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in the car, which that was something about it not
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: being like that proves it's not premeditated.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I remember at the time thinking, and of course my
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: father's daughter.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, this wouldn't happen.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Here's how you know you would create something that's not
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: based on something real. It's like, well, that wouldn't happen,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: like the foreshadowing of the cucumber and the cutting right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and then she used it and then it was in.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: The car, but it did.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But it did.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: That's the thing that's so smarty. And I was like, yes.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, I've been in this business like at
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that point, even though I was nineteen, like a long time,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: like I know this is like, you know something.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Another one of these things just making up to make
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it sound rumat and I.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Was like, god, that's not very good, Like they should
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: have thought this out more.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I remember thinking this and I'm like, okay, you do.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just a hired gun here. It was a straight offer,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: but you know.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, wow right, So it was so unbelievable that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you thought it was not real.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Not real, but it was, Oh my god, I gotta say.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Valerie Harper, who played the mom, was the loveliest, most
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: genuinely human.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Oh. I love hearing that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I was really nervous because it was like, so Kelly
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and I did work together, and we did.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Troop Beverly Hills together, right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: And we were fourteen, right, So this is the first
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: time I had seen her. And in my mind I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: would never say this, but I was like, oh my gosh.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: When I did Troop Beverly Hills, it was like the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills group and they were all like the leads
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: in that movie.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I was the red feather and just had a few lines,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: so I didn't feel worthy, and.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: They like kind of all hung together, which was probably
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: on purpose, you know, to get to know each other.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And I kind of would eat lunch separate me and
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the other girl, the Red feathers, and in a way
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: it was a little click.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And I remember telling Kelly as an adults now, like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I felt kind of like I didn't belong and I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: didn't fit in. She goes, oh my god, I didn't
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: fit in, yes, And I was like, you didn't fit in?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? This is exactly what she said
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to me too, And She's like, I felt as though
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Tory was the cool one. She was on the cool
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: show that everybody loved and it was just like Edgier
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And she was on the successful but like family show
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that was Sunday's at seven or whatever it was, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: she felt like you were very cool and she was
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: insecure and that you were like, oh my popular and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like party. You would go out and do things, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: she was like the dorky kid and she's like it work.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: It helped her with the character. Essentially, Yeah, that's great.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Here's what I thought. I was like true Beverly Hill.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: They were the cool ones. I was like the dorky one.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And then I was like wow, now like Kelly and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I were equal. Yeah, you know, I was like my.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Star had risen and so I didn't feel like I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: was just like ooh, I belong with I just I
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: just I just caught up, Like finally I belong here.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So I felt really good, but in my head I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: was still as you know, me, well that girl that
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: was like I.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Don't know, oh my god, I don't fit in. I'm
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: not worthy. But I was like, but I'm playing the cool.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Girl straight off her.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So I was like as apart. So I just put
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: on a like a good run.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: But I remember Valerie Harper coming into my trailer and
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: she was just she held my hand and she was like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I love your dad, and she was like and I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: remember kind of feeling insecure and nervous and her being like,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you're really good. You work really hard, you're really nice.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: She's like, I watch what's going and.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: She was just like, oh, I love and she's like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: you have this, you're great. Believe in yourself.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And she was like the first person, like another actor
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: to say like believe in yourself, right, like you deserve.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: To be here. Oh, I love that. And do you
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: think she could sense that from you? And that's why
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: she said sense your insecurity?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I was really shy and yeah, I'm sure. I mean
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: something like I don't know if I'm doing okay or something.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It was probably something right that. But she like talk
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: about mother Head and talk about the opposite of the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: character she played.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: In that movie. She was so like outgoing and kind
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: and a.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Huge star Valerie her brother like huge, like to all
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the crew, to all the casts.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, she was really really great.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Oh that's so nice to hear she was. Yeah, I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: mean she is definitely one of the greats.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: That's so funny, Kelly thought I was like the cool
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: girl in my mind a.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: More definitely definitely she did. Yeah, are you kidding?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, life goes on. Oh my god, I'm
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: my god, I'm.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Really isn't that funny? Like ladies? Yeah, anybody younger listening
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to us, please like, don't I still find this today?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: This is like my lesson to myself all the time.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: If I have those feelings of like insecurity or oh
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I don't like this person or she's mean or she's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: not going to be I literally take a moment, like
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I stop and stand still and take a breath and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: go be exactly where you are right now and see
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: what happens. Like just really look at this situation and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: step into it as who you are, like knowing who
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I am. It's like a I mean, I'm fifty five
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and I have to do that still. You know, it's easier,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: but I still have to like say, okay, you lost me.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: What are you intimidated by all this?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I am fifty five.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am eased in Google.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: ID you know somebody on IMDb. I think when I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: when they first put it up, I used to lie
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: about my age and said I was born in nineteen
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: seventy four. I think he was a Clueless because I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: think when we did Clueless the movie, it was like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: don't talk about your age because you're playing sixteen or
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: seventeen and you're like twenty three or whatever it was.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So I think that's how it started. And then some
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: kid I wish I remember his name. I would look
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: back at IMDb and changed my date and he was
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: like I went to high school with her. She was
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: born in nineteen seventy one, and I was like, first
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of all, get a hobby or get a job. Secondly,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I can't believe somebody went that far to try to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: change and now you know that. I said, that was it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: That was it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: It was the world began to know my true age.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: His name is Jeff something I don't know, but boy,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I do remember that and being like, let's.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Mind him and call him.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's call him. I don't think I ever had
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: his number, but boy, if I did, I'm gonna look
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it up. Yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I wonder what he looks like. Now, Oh, high school reunions.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: You go back and here like yeah, wow, okay. Two
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: questions to wrap it up here. Do you think that
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: your character in the film representing the popular girl had
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: any similarities to the characters written in nine o two
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and zero and that era of television, I.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Really don't, but I'm sure that's why I got the part.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Like too, I was popular and like it was the
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: cool kids at school.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: In high school.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I guess it's hard for me because she is Stacy Lockwood, literally.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: The opposite of Donna Martin. Like it's I was so terrified.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I remember sitting there like saying the lines on camera,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: being like, I don't know, it was like nowadays, it
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: would be like I was on the reality show Traders,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like you're putting up this mask and pretending to be
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: fit in Like I just didn't feel And looking back
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: as an adult and watching that film, I'm like, oh
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: my god, I was really good in that character, Like
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I played that mean girl well, but it just felt
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: so unnatural one being Torian two playing Donald every day.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm sure that is, like.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Isn't It's so interesting? How uh we just really don't
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: have proper perception in the moment a lot of the time,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and just think.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: With every line coming out of my mouth on the camera, terrified,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, oh my god. The director afterwards
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: it's going to be like Tori, let's talk like we're not.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, I had to be
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: like that confident, like you know.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: That is heartbreaking and in the sense of like.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: The whole shoot was terrified, just like and not being.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Able to enjoy what's happening. Yeah, like not being able
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to enjoy the success of what you're doing. It's like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: we put so much pressure on ourselves.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And did that night the Peninsula when I.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Got the offer, but after that and sorry, two things,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I know we have to wrap the cheerleading of it all.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Uh huh, oh.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Boy, what tell me?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: So I'm supposed to go in and like crush it
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: because I'm like the head cheer I had cheerleaders always
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: like you know, go in and do it and like
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: have it down. And Kelly is supposed to like not
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: be able to get the steps right.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: So here's the.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Thing and whatever. I am a good free dancer, like
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: freestyle choreography and like steps and like getting the timing.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Rate never been my thing.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean you probably everyone knows that they
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: watched them Dancing with the Stars.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I last at one episode, but.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You get me in the club doing the worm in
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the robot and I crush it, but I had to
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: like get it down.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: So they taught us, like we had rehearsals and stuff.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I could not do it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Oh god, so just like like whatever, and I was like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, and I inside was like, oh my god,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get fired, like I can't.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I can't even act them.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: And it was early on we filmed that scene. So
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna the mask is off.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: They're gonna sae. I'm a fraud. I can't play a popular.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Cool Every night, as you're leaving there, like so don't
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: worry about tomorrow. You don't have to come back tomorrow. Yeah,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: did you clear out your trailer? Just grab your things?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: My goodness.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And then my dad tell me about your death scene.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So we filmed that all night long, and uh, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: mean I think we were there until the sun came up,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: like doing all the scenes in the car and to
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: run right then She's so anyway, I just remember, oh god,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: this is horrible. I mean, it was a horrific scene.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: But the fact is I remember they were like you
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: have to fall a certain way and the blood and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: like the night it was all like choreographed.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: But I am a huge.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Horror fan and true crime fan, and I you would
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: think I would be able to do this.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Well. I have the worst scream.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Me too, me too, me too.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Stop it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: It's like a talent that some people have. I do
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: not have it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: And people have that horror film scream that you're just like, yes,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: mine's like a gurgly beast and it comes out still
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: to this day, and I get so embarrassed, like if
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: something like scares me or like so it's like it's
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: not like that cool, like.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Right right, It's like.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Ah, this is so funny because I just did a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: horror comedy series last that's coming out this year, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I had to scream twice and it was my biggest fear,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Like that was my biggest nightmare. I'm like I can't
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm doing with people that are horror people, like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they make movies like this, and I was just like,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: oh god, I'm gonna screw it up. That's gonna be
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: so embarrassing.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know, I don't remember it they
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: auto tune your scream, I don't.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Think they did. I know now you can AI and
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I can have.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, sound like Jamie Lee Curtis and Halloween. Yeah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Interesting you went to that one. I don't wondering. Yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: you're quick, and I'm like, where's she gonna go?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I am very very sad to say that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: this is coming to a close our little chat. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: truly we could talk about anything for a long time,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and I wish that we could. So we'll figure out
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: something that Why don't you do another movie about something
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: real that happened where someone dies, and then you can
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: come back and I'll interview you again, ripped from the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: head ripped from the headlines.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, so we could start on one together.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: We can start talk together. Yes, excellent, Okay, infesting it done,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: love it. I adore you. Uh everyone else does too.
• 38:20
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