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STOP LOOKING FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES · The Karen Kenney Show

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  Karen Kenney: Hey, you guys! Welcome to the Karen Kenney
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  Show. I'm wicked excited to be here with you today and spend a
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  little time together. So, thank you if you're tuning in. I super
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  duper appreciate it. I never ever ever take your willingness
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  to spend a little time with me for granted. So, thanks for
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  being here. I think I'm just gonna call this one looking for
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  love in all the wrong places. Now look, if you're my age, if
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  you're like in your, if you're Generation X, right, Gen X kids,
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  you you all know this song. It was made wicked popular in 1980
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  when John Travolta stad in this movie called Urban Cowboy. Oh my
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  God! I think Deborah Winga. Deborah Winga played his his
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  love interest in that movie. Her name, I think, was Sissy or
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  something. He was Bud. I think it was like Bud and Sissy. So
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  Johnny Lee. Johnny Lee was the recording artist. He's the one
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  who recorded this and sang it and made it famous. So, but this
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  this title of this song, "Looking for Love in All the
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  Wrong Places, and it's really about this universal struggle
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  for searching for love, searching for like genuine
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  connection, and the frustration of looking for it in like all
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  the wrong places, and there's this set of lines. Like I wrote
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  it down. Hopefully, I can read my own handwriting. But it's
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  basically like looking for love in all the wrong places, and
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  then it says, "Looking for love in too. Oh, looking for love in
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  all the wrong places. Looking for love in too many places, and
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  also looking in faces, right? And then it says searching their
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  eyes and looking for traces of this love that they're dreaming
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  of. Now, in this context, of course, it is romantic love that
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  he's pointing to, but this this core concept, this core line of
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  looking for love in all the wrong places, has been bopping
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  around in my head, and it doesn't really matter why. Just
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  that it has been, and I think I want to talk about this today
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  because not only does this apply to my own life, like remember
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  everything I say on this show goes to my ears first. I almost
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  think it's like some some smarter part of me. Some more.
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  It's like the little librarians in my head are like shooting me,
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  shooting me those little smarty pants parts of my brain are
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  like, hey, we're gonna do a podcast episode about this, and
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  it might sound like it's it's all for your ears, but it's also
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  for my own ears too. You know what I mean? It's for my own
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  awareness. So I'm going to keep it pretty short because to the
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  point, what I want to say about this is that so often we do go
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  looking for quote unquote love in all the wrong places, and we
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  do it in a couple of different ways. But so the biggest one I
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  see, especially in the work that I do as a mentor, as a coach,
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  just and just in general, in talking with people and
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  listening to people, you know, leading Write Club, where you
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  know writing workshops and hearing people's stories, and
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  and you know doing Thai yoga you know body work Thai yoga massage
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  and and just talking with people you know so I guess what I'm
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  trying to say is you know I'm 58 years old I've done a lot of
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  listening I've heard a lot of relationship conflicts in my
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  life but most of them stem from the home, like meaning your
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  family of origin, your childhood. So, like I said,
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  while in the movie it was based on this romantic love, and the
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  song was all about trying to find you know genuine romantic
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  connection or whatever. We also find this within our own
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  families, within our own systems of relationships, and one of the
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  big ones that I see is that we look for healing, right? We look
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  for healing in the places and by the people who did the harm in
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  the first place. We go looking for healing where the hurt was
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  the origin cause, right?
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  So it's like it's almost like we're waiting and hoping that
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  those people, and it might be your parents, it might be your
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  siblings, it might be your, you know, your your old friend or
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  your coach or like, and I literally mean like it could
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  have been your basketball coach, your baseball coach, your field
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  hockey coach, your cheerleading coach, like whoever, a mentor, a
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  priest, somebody in your life, right, who caused you harm. It
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  could be even a whole organization. You know, I kind
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  of think about when you see mass cases of sexual abuse, like with
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  the girls' gymnastics or in the Boy Scouts or whatever in the in
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  the Catholic Church. Whatever, you know, and we we we we are
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  looking for the healing to come from those places. Like once
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  they apologize, or once they admit what they've done wrong,
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  once they can see the harm that they've called caused, like then
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  I'm going to feel better. Then I can feel healing, or just hoping
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  that your parents before they die, are gonna love you the way
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  that you need to be loved or want to be loved, and a lot of
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  times we're looking in that original source for the healing
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  where the harm or the hurt was caused in the first place, and a
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  lot of times those people, those systems, those situations don't
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  actually change, you know, and I I often feel like if if we sit
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  around and wait for those people or those places or those things
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  to apologize, to get their act together, to own their bullshit,
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  to you know, to like have reparations of some kind, you
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  know, we're going to be waiting a long ass time, and it might
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  never come in the form that we most need to find that healing.
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  And so, you know, so much of this, and and I think this is
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  why. Like, I remember when I first first became a student of
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  a Course in Miracles, like way back in the day. And I'm not
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  saying everybody should follow a course of miracles. It's a
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  universal spiritual, you know. To me, it's like spiritual
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  psychotherapy. It's a way of looking at things, myself, the
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  world, situations, God, the universe, etc. from a different
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  point of view. It's about shifting from a thought system
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  that is steeped in fear, right? The very human ego, the
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  ego-based, human-made kind of thought system, and
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  relinquishing that one, and then replacing it with a thought
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  system of love. Right, so this is how I kind of look at a
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  Course in Miracles. But I remember when I first became a
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  student of A Course in Miracles, and one of the things that
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  really stuck out to me from the beginning, which in the
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  beginning it kind of annoyed me a little bit. If we're just
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  being totally honest, I was like, "Wait, what? But in the
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  beginning, it was just like you know, you get to have a say,
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  like you get to take responsibility for your own
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  experience, for your own reality, how you're choosing to
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  see yourself and other people and these things. Now, I'm not
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  saying it puts the blame on you or anything like that, but for
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  me, for me, and I'm just speaking for myself. A lot of
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  what I learned was that I actually had more power than I
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  knew. I could shift my perception and choose how I
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  wanted to see myself and others, the way that I approached
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  forgiveness, the process of forgiveness, and again, when I
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  was ready, right, all of it. It was it was so huge for me. But
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  one of the things that I realized is that I actually had
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  choice, and I had autonomy, and I had agency, and I had
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  authorship, and so I didn't have to sit around and wait for other
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  people to change, wait for other people to be different, wait for
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  other people to finally own it for me to have a different
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  internal experience. I didn't have to wait on external things
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  or people or circumstances or whatever to change for me to
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  have peace. That was like a huge thing, right? So I learned, and
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  I'm still sometimes learning. Look, not perfect, very, very
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  human, still very clumsy, still trying to figure shit out as I
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  go. But that's what this whole show is about, right?
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  It's like me sharing thoughts or insights or stories, or aha
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  moments, or tools, or whatever. As I'm trying to navigate this
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  whole human experience, you're here along with me, my brothers
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  and sisters, and other humans. So why not share this stuff with
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  you? But I was just thinking about this: is that I don't want
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  anybody else outside of me to ever hold the key to my peace of
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  mind, to my piece of heart, to how I feel, I like to take call
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  it radical responsibility, just call it ownership, call it
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  whatever you want to call it. But I want to be in control of
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  my own state of mind in my own state of heart. I'm not saying
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  this is easy. There is there can be a huge temptation to be
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  stingy with my love, to withhold my love, you know, to stay
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  fucking angry, to stay pissed, to to stay in blame and shame
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  and guilt and point fingers and all that stuff. But at the end
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  of the day, and it doesn't mean that you excuse people's bad
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  behavior. I'm not saying that. I always say like trauma explains
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  a lot of things, but it doesn't excuse everything. People have
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  to be accountable, but sometimes they won't take accountability,
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  and that's point number one. If you're waiting around for other
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  people to take accountability for their shitty actions, so
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  that you can feel better about it, we just might be waiting our
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  whole. Lives and to me, it's not worth it. We only have so much
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  time on this planet. No time is guaranteed. We never know when
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  the last exhale is coming, and I just don't want to give away
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  that much of my own power. So, having a lot of different tools
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  in your toolkit for how to navigate when things get
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  uncomfortable, when how to navigate when you feel hurt, how
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  to communicate all those things. So everything from being able to
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  communicate, having emotional intelligence, having relational
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  intelligence, knowing your own role, right, in in relationships
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  and in the situations we find ourselves in. That's all wicked
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  important. Okay, so like that's number one, right? Like not
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  looking for healing in the places perhaps where the
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  original harm or the inciting incident that hurt took place,
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  because sometimes people just aren't willing to apologize.
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  They aren't willing to own it. They aren't willing to change,
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  and they might never say the words that you feel like you
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  need them to say in order for you to get on with your life. So
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  it's up to us sometimes. That's that one. Okay, number two,
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  looking for sustenance and support in places that have been
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  known to starve you, right? So often that's that stinginess.
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  You know, I sometimes say in my yoga classes, right? Don't be
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  stingy with your breath. Like, don't hold your breath. Don't
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  contract your breath. Like for long periods of time, right?
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  Like, don't. It's one thing if you're doing like box breathing
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  and you're holding it for the count of four or something like
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  that intentionally, like you know you're doing it. It's
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  another thing to like hold your breath all the time. It's
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  another thing to withhold your love, to be stingy. So don't be
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  stingy with your love. Don't be stingy with your breath. I often
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  say, but there are people, there are family members, there are
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  situations, there are. are teachers and coaches and people.
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  Your bosses, right? Your coworkers. Whatever it is, where
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  you just want to be, you know, recognized that you know for
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  whatever your point of view, your insights, your hard work,
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  your whatever. Like you want to be recognized, you want to be
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  seen, you want to be heard, you want that support. You want
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  somebody, you know, to acknowledge. First of all, just
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  acknowledge that you're even in the fucking room sometimes, but
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  acknowledge you and to give you some support, whether it's from
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  your friends or your family members or your coworkers, or
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  whoever, and these people, out of their own fear, out of their
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  own ego, out of their own lack of emotional intelligence, or
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  whatever, they are just not going to feed you, man. They are
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  going to starve you out. They're not going to. And it's
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  interesting, right? You see this sometimes, even in the simplest
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  of places, like let's take a text thread, right?
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  And I've seen this in my own life. I've seen it with other
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  people that I know, where or an email. You see it in emails all
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  the time, and I've talked about this before. How I try to make
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  my emails as idiot proof as possible when I'm communicating
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  with people, I try to make like I literally will use like
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  highlighted, like bright yellow highlighted moments. You know,
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  throughout the email, I will number things so that it can't
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  get lost in the copy of the text. I will literally write
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  each sentence as a single sentence, so there's no
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  confusion. There's no I read too fast, you know, too long, didn't
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  read it, so I was scanning all that stuff, and yet still,
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  people will just skip over things, whether it's intentional
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  or non-intentional. I will find that these questions that I
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  asked are not being answered. I don't know why that is. I don't
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  know if people are just moving too fast. I don't know if they
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  don't feel like answering. I don't know what goes on in other
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  people's heads, but I will say it's a way of like withholding,
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  and whether it's withholding information, withholding
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  support, whatever the thing is. Excuse me. And I've also seen it
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  in when people send text messages back and forth, and
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  this could also go on behind the scenes, like in Instagram
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  stories where you send each other memes or whatever, where
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  one person sends something, and the other person doesn't even
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  bother to respond. They don't acknowledge what was sent. They
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  don't acknowledge that something was sent at all. They don't say
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  anything about it. They don't give any indication that they
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  looked at it, read it, whatever. They don't even use a little
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  emoji. They don't use anything. They just respond with their own
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  thing. And when I think about this, you know, we've normalized
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  a lot of these communication behaviors. But the reality of it
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  is that if I was talking to you and I said something like, like
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  I tell you a story, and the story, like obviously, if I'm
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  telling you, it has some meaning to me, whether I want you to
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  laugh or I want you to understand something or
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  whatever. And if I just basically said I'll just like
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  make something up, and I'm like, yeah, and then the dog bit me.
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  And the owner just stood there looking at me, and I was like,
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  "Ouch! And then they looked at me and said, "Well, I went
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  grocery shopping today, and the tomatoes were. And I would, I
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  would just be like, "What the fuck is happening right now?
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  Like, I just, I just sent you something or shared something
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  with you. Now I'm not talking that people have to respond to
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  every frigging meme, but I'm talking about true, genuine
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  things where you send something and you sent it for purposeful
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  in some way, and then the other person just doesn't even
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  acknowledge that you said anything. This is a way of
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  withholding. This is a way of like stabbing a person in a way.
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  You know what I mean? And it's like so we go looking for
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  sustenance from people or places that do not have the emotional
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  depth, do not care enough to respond in that way, where
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  they're just kind of either drawing back or shifting away,
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  or they were never like that in the first place, and and you see
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  this a lot in relationships where people are like, well, I
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  see the good in them. I see the potential in them, and I really
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  think like if I just hang in there in this relationship, this
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  person is going to change. They're going to be more
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  present, or more kind, or more compassionate, or more open and
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  emotional, and able to share with me, or whatever the thing
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  they'll commit, or whatever the thing is, right? So a lot of
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  times we're looking for sustenance and support in places
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  and people who are starving you, and sometimes we don't want to
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  admit it because we don't want to have to give up on the
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  relationship or leave the friendship or tell the family
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  you're all set, you're not going to Thanksgiving dinner because
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  it just leaves you, you know. It's like you want to be
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  nurtured and nourished, but you end up feeling, I don't know,
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  more empty, more hungry, right?
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  More starving in a way than when you left, and that's not good
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  too. And these are just things to also look out for. It's not
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  about just blaming these patterns of behavior on other
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  people. It's also recognize it in ourselves, the places where
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  maybe we're doing this too. And you know, it's funny because I
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  just read this meme the other day that said something like,
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  you know, I don't. I'm paraphrasing. I'm not going to
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  get it perfectly right off the top of my head, but it's
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  something like I get mad or I get upset when people ask me
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  these days what books I'm reading for personal
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  development, and it says I'm doing my best to read books that
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  that un un undevelop me, unprofessionally develop me
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  because I want to go back to being human. You know what I
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  mean, and so I think about this a lot. You know, with this
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  podcast, where I never want this to ever feel like it's just me
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  saying you need to work on yourself. You've got issues.
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  You've got shit. Like you got to do this. You don't have to do
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  anything. These are just things that I notice about being human
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  and the ways that we relate to each other, both in ways where
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  we can get it really right sometimes, but also in the ways
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  that we can get it really wrong. And the reality of it is, is
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  it's just hard. First of all, it's just hard being on the
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  planet and being a human, and then you add into it these
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  intricacies of relationships, whether it's the families you're
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  born into the people that adopted you, the systems you
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  were put into. Maybe you were in foster care, right? The the
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  sibling relationships, the friendships. Maybe you were an
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  only child. You didn't have the sibling thing, so your friends
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  were more like your siblings, or your cousins, or whatever it is.
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  But these these roles that we play as individuals, and the
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  roles that we play relationally, and then the greater, bigger
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  systems-whether it's school or university or the church or your
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  synagogue or temple or the yoga studio or whatever-right? We
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  have the individuals, and then we usually have small groups,
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  and then we have these much bigger things. And to exist in
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  these things sometimes can just be hard. It is just hard, so I
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  like to talk about these things because to me these are the
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  things that matter. When we're on our deathbeds, most of us
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  aren't going to be like, "Oh, I wish I worked harder. I wish I
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  had more, you know, another, you know, whatever accolades.
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  Hopefully, I think most of us are going to wonder, "Did I show
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  up and did I love people well? Did I let myself be loved? Did I
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  give love? Did I get good at receiving love? Did I make a
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  difference while I was alive? Did my life have meaning and
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  purpose? Did I, you know, did I follow like the own divine
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  inspiration of my own heart? Did I do what I feel like I was sent
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  here to do? Right. I think these are the things we're going to be
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  thinking about-not how many toys we had, not how much money we
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  had, not none of that stuff. So hopefully, you know, the Karen
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  Kenney show, you know, helps you to to think about these things:
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  how we're relating to ourselves, to each other, to the divine
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  God, the. The environment, the animals, right? Like who and how
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  are we being in the world? Okay, and then the last one I want to
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  talk about is the people who you're trying to get
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  encouragement from, right? And they're just the people who have
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  spent probably more time trying to embarrass you or discourage
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  you? Do you know what I mean? Like you'd be like, I have this
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  dream that I'm going to be a best-selling author one day, or
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  I have this dream that I'm going to play professional baseball,
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  or I have a dream that I'm going to start a business, or I'm
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  going to save the whales, or whatever it is. And then those
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  those people, you know, we go to them looking for that
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  encouragement again, looking for love in all the wrong places,
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  and we want the encouragement, and yet we get people who would
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  rather like tear us down.
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  Do you know what I mean? So you're looking for this
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  cheerleading, and instead they chide you, right? And I think
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  like it goes back to me, like you know, they talk about people
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  who have mommy issues or quote unquote daddy issues, and so
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  much of us, so much of us as adults, is trying to work out
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  the shit that went down when we were kids, right? I might even
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  do a whole episode on this. We're all just grown up kids,
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  right? And sometimes we're not that grown up, but a lot of this
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  is when we're looking for encouragement. We're looking for
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  cheerleading from people who would rather tear you down, who
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  would rather keep you small, who would rather remind you of all
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  the times you fucked up or blew it or screwed up or why you
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  can't do it because you're not fill in the blank enough or
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  you're too much of that. Right? You're too irresponsible or
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  you're too much of a daydreamer, or you're not good enough at
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  that. As if you can't learn things, as if you can't get
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  help. Right. So these are just some of the ways where it's
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  like, you know, we want and we're waiting for other people
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  to change, and if we're waiting for somebody else to change for
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  how they're relating to us, we're just on so many levels
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  going to suffer. It's like we, it's like you know, we talk
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  about how expectations are premeditated resentments, right?
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  That's kind of like what this is. Like if I sit around
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  expecting you to change and waiting for you to change, I'm
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  already going to be annoyed and upset that you're not behaving
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  the way that I want you to, so that I can then feel better. You
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  know what I mean. So I would much rather encourage us. Number
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  one, look if you're a person of faith, or if you're a spiritual
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  person, or you're somebody who believes in God or Source or
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  even mother, you know, mother nature, or you know, the
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  universe-that there is a greater loving energy. Whatever name you
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  call it by doesn't matter to me. If you're somebody who kind of
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  leans in that direction, we can seek comfort. We can seek this
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  belonging. First of all, you belong to yourself, number one,
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  and you can also think of it as you belong to something greater.
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  You belong to the collective of your ancestors of souls. You're
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  one of God's kids. You're an extension of the divine. You're
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  made of stardust. However you think of it, knowing that you
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  know we can find healing and sustenance and encouragement and
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  cheerleading, and support, and nourishment from within
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  ourselves. So start there. Start with the eternal. Start with the
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  things that never change, which is I believe God loves you.
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  There are a lot of people who don't believe that there is a
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  you know a quote unquote God that personally knows their name
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  or personally loves you, right? And people can think that's the
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  fun thing. That's the fun thing about all this is you can
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  believe whatever you want to believe, right? I was raised a
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  Catholic kid, and you know, and maybe you find great connection
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  and with with like the compassionate mother, right?
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  Mother Mary, or maybe Kuan Yin is one of the the figures that
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  you think of, like whatever we can reach into mythology and
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  mysticism and all of it, it's all available to us. But these
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  things that have been around that are ancient, we can find.
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  You know what a Shwaran calls a Eknatheshwaran calls a sanctum
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  sanctorum. This place within you that to me is like it's steady,
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  it's steady, and it's safe, and it's reliable, and it's calm,
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  and it's strong. You know that number one. Look for love in
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  that place, and then if we go externally, if we go out there,
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  look for your balcony people. I did a whole episode on that. You
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  can Google that. Look for your cheerleaders. We don't just want
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  though people who are yes people who are always going to take our
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  side and blow smoke up our ass and tell us where the bee's
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  knees and we never ever ever ever ever fuck up because we do,
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  right? You want the friends who love you enough to say, "Hey,
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  that hurt.
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  You know that hurt when you said that, or that was uncool, or
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  what did you mean by that, or hey, have you thought that?" Out
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  or hey, you said you wanted to X, Y, and Z, but I see that
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  you're not like we want the people who love us enough to be
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  kind and compassionate yet honest with us. I always say
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  loving but firm. You know, we want those people in our lives.
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  So if you find that you keep return, I call it like returning
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  to the scene of the crime. You keep returning to the scene of
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  the crime, hoping not to see the dead body, or not to seeing the
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  smashed windows, or not seeing right all the glass on the
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  street, not seeing the wounds, and we think like, oh, well,
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  this is going to be different this time, and it's like it's
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  probably not going to be unless that person has been in therapy,
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  unless that person is willing to own some shit, unless that
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  person has been on a growth journey of their own. Unless
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  that person is like become more aware. Unless that person can
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  really listen and is willing to be a little uncomfortable
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  sometimes, you know. So try to find the places where you
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  already always belong with self and source and spirit. And then,
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  if we're going to look to the humans, if we're going to look
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  to the the outside world, you know where you can find it. A
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  lot of times, you can find so much love in relationship with
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  animals. You can find so much love in relationship with with
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  the trees and the oceans and Mother Nature and the natural
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  world around us, you know, humans can be a little tougher
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  sometimes. Cause God bless us, God bless us. I'm making the
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  sign of the cross. God bless us. We are so human. We people be
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  people, and you know what I mean. People be people, and in
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  really wicked big ways. So that's all I'm saying. Like
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  maybe, maybe let's not keep looking for love at the scene of
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  the crime in all the wrong places, and in the places where
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  people continue to harm us and hurt us, people who can insist
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  on starving you and withholding their love from you, who would
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  rather embarrass you than encourage you, the people who
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  like to chide you or make fun of you or tear you down and try to
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  keep you small, you know. Let's not go looking for love in those
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  places. And you know, I have to acknowledge that there's a
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  grieving process when we realize, like, oh, this is never
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  going to change. This is just how they are insisting on being.
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  But I don't have to insist On, like waiting for my own healing,
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  waiting for my own liberation for somebody else to do the work
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  and change. I get to take control of my own experience,
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  which, and not always, right? I understand there are greater
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  systems of oppression, there are greater systems of racism and
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  sexism and violence, and not always. But I'm talking on kind
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  of like the the the micro level, you know, of what we can do
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  within our own relationship with self to really just kind of see
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  things clearly and make some decisions about, you know, where
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  we are gonna try to look for love. And then the other thing
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  that I will say is this: instead of looking for love, you know, I
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  always think of the prayer of Saint Francis, which I have been
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  saying for most of my life. You know, and there's that great
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  section where he says, you know, grant that I may not so much
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  seek to console as to console, like be consoled as to console,
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  right? May not may not so much seek to be loved as to love,
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  because it's in giving that we receive. You know, it's in
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  giving that we receive. So a lot of times, you know, and I'm not
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  saying this because really we got to be mindful too of the
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  imbalances in relationships. But just a nod that sometimes, you
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  know, if you want to experience more love, give more love. If
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  you want to get better at being patient, practice patience,
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  right? So practicing love, practicing forgiveness when it's
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  appropriate and right timing for you, you know all of these
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  things.
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  So I hope something, even if it's just one little thing that
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  I said today, has been helpful for you in some way, I know that
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  some little kid, some younger part of me, is in there
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  listening as well, and I I want to say I hope that it's helpful
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  for me too, because that's that's the point. I listen to
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  the little I listen to the little librarians in my head
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  running the library up there, their little Philofaxus and the
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  little Dewey Decimal COD catalog up there, you know, and they're
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  always like pulling things out and bringing them into my
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  awareness as well. So I really appreciate you for being here.
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  Thank you so much. And anything that I'm up to, anything that
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  you're interested in, whether that's you know Bright Club or
• 29:37
  Thai Yoga Body Work or yoga classes or mentoring, spiritual
• 29:41
  mentoring, coaching, whatever it is, all the stuff, the podcast,
• 29:45
  everything I'm up to, you can just find online at Karen Kenney
• 29:48
  K E N N E y.com. So thank you for being here. I hope you have
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  a fantastic rest of your day or night whenever you're listening
• 29:56
  to this, and wherever you go, may you leave the. Animals and
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  the other people and yourself and the planet and the
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  environment better than how you first found them. Wherever you
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  go, may you and your presence and your love and your energy
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  and just all of it, just you, just you, may you be a blessing.
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  Bye.