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ITB: Can Saquon Barkley Bounce Back? Can Will Shipley Play Bigger Role In Year 3? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's up, everybody. It's Jeff
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Speaker 1: Mosher and Adam Kapam. We're continuing a podcast series that
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Speaker 1: started really with looking at the depth Chart, and we
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Speaker 1: did quarterbacks in our first episode and we're gonna move
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Speaker 1: on to running backs as we go through offense then defense. Now,
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Speaker 1: the big point we were making in the quarterback episode, Adam,
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Speaker 1: and if anybody hasn't listened to it, check it out.
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Speaker 1: Really good intel. There is the sort of unusual nature
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Speaker 1: of having a fifteen year number three quarterback and then
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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback number two who's on his rookie deal.
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Speaker 1: And we kind of talked about that juxtaposition there between
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Speaker 1: McKee and Andy Dalton. Here in this situation with running backs,
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Speaker 1: the hierarchy makes a lot more sense. I do wonder
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Speaker 1: about potential movement as this season goes on. Really, you know,
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Speaker 1: we know Saquon Barkley's number one. You got Tank Biggs,
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Speaker 1: a really good backup who will talk about because I
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Speaker 1: think there's an opportunity to use him more if they
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Speaker 1: want to. But also as a number three guy, Adam
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Speaker 1: will Shipley is someone I don't want to say he
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Speaker 1: took a step back last year, but numerically he actually did.
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Speaker 1: And I still think that there's more potential for him
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Speaker 1: and maybe this offense can unlock it, but I think
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Speaker 1: last year would have been nicer to see a little
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Speaker 1: bit more of that diverse skill set that he has
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Speaker 1: in the offense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and contracts matter, and I want to get into
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Speaker 2: kind of not only the depth chart, which is certainly important,
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Speaker 2: but contracts always give you a clue, and also trades
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Speaker 2: and if you trade it for a guy tank Bigsby
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Speaker 2: last year got off to a very bad start. We
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Speaker 2: told people he wasn't here just to do kickoff returns.
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Speaker 2: That's nonsense. They're not giving up two draft picks. People
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Speaker 2: buy anything that's out there something. I kind of laugh. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we said, yeah, folks, that's minor compared to the bigger role.
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Speaker 2: How he got two years they wanted two years. They
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Speaker 2: won a guy on two year with two years left
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Speaker 2: on his deal, which he did. This is the funny
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Speaker 2: of his deal. And yeah, he got more or less
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Speaker 2: benched in Jacksonville. Like they promped him up to a
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Speaker 2: role that maybe he wasn't ready for it. He was
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Speaker 2: sharing the starting role two years ago with et Travis,
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Speaker 2: ETN and he didn't work. He was just he They
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Speaker 2: found out he's better in a complimenting role, which is
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Speaker 2: what he had here. Once he got it and they
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Speaker 2: got it correct with him, he was terrific. Bixby look awesome.
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Speaker 2: It's a change up, and a change up is a
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Speaker 2: different contrasting style to the starter. That's exactly what it is.
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Speaker 2: It's exactly what they were hoping he would look like
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Speaker 2: he did. Yeah, and you brought up Shipley. Shipley is
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Speaker 2: a straight ahead, got a little bit of juice. He's
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Speaker 2: a little bit faster then Tank Bigsby from pure football speed,
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Speaker 2: but makes me he's a better football player. Now, the
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Speaker 2: question is, with a new scheme and a new coach
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Speaker 2: and everything got to do with this offense, who's going
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Speaker 2: to be the third down back? We know Barkley's gonna
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Speaker 2: have to see some because of his contract. You're not
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Speaker 2: paying Saquon Barklay this season, and by the way, he
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Speaker 2: signed for twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: That was the first question I wanted to ask you,
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Speaker 1: because you.
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Speaker 2: Mentioned I'm just morn I thought, go ahead, what do
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Speaker 2: you think?
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Speaker 1: So let's go back to the original part of this.
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Speaker 1: Right after his unbelievable twenty twenty four season, his record
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Speaker 1: breaking one the Eagles. I don't want to say they
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Speaker 1: restructured the contract. They just guaranteed more money. That is
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Speaker 1: that how you would say it is in future years
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Speaker 1: to make sure that he was commensurate because they basically
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Speaker 1: got him on a deal in free agency after that
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Speaker 1: kind of a year. So they what they guarante guaranteed
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Speaker 1: more money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they guaranteed more money, and it's really this is
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Speaker 2: the last year. And this is important to understand. This
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Speaker 2: is where we're going with this because you always have
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Speaker 2: to look at it as clubs do they look at
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Speaker 2: two or three years down the line. Well, sae Quan
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Speaker 2: is signed through twenty eight. He is now twenty nine
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Speaker 2: years old. Running backs in the thirties, you don't want
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Speaker 2: to be in that business more often like you, you
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Speaker 2: definitely don't want to be in that business when they're
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Speaker 2: the thirties. It's very rare. You know, the Eagles have
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Speaker 2: been through it. They typically and then you Joe Batter
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Speaker 2: didn't totally agree with this when we had him on
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Speaker 2: a show many we've had him on a bunch of times,
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Speaker 2: but he said, yes, they they looked at age per position,
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Speaker 2: and you know, they make a decision to get move
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Speaker 2: on from guys more often not. They missed on beat
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Speaker 2: off on that one. But that's a different story. But
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Speaker 2: running back, man, you talk to the clubs around the league.
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Speaker 2: You worry about the knees. You're worried about the wear
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Speaker 2: and tear. They don't have had an ACL injury. He's
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Speaker 2: had hi ankle injuries. Right now, after the season, he's
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Speaker 2: making sixteen point seventy five million. Okay, it's all guaranteed
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Speaker 2: after the season. Very small guarantee in twenty seven, not
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Speaker 2: enough to keep on the roster if he doesn't play well. Right,
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Speaker 2: the total cash is sixteen million, like only like maybe
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Speaker 2: two millions fully guaranteed. If that so to me, they
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Speaker 2: may be moving on. Look, he's got it, like he's
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Speaker 2: got to play well. You just don't hand guy's money.
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Speaker 2: This is not the way it works. He's making sixteen
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Speaker 2: million and twenty seven.
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Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, running back.
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Speaker 2: Who's the running back after the season.
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Speaker 1: It's good. It's a really good point. And that's why
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Speaker 1: I brought up Bill Shipley, and I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: definitely not number one, But my point is I would
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Speaker 1: like to see a little bit more of his uses
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Speaker 1: this year to see if he can be a really
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Speaker 1: good change of pace number two back in an offense
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Speaker 1: that's gonna throw the ball a little bit to the
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Speaker 1: running back, run outside zone and use some of his
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Speaker 1: speed to the edge. To me, that's to be interesting because,
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, big Bigsby is a better runner with
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Speaker 1: the football right now than Shipley. He's a more decisive runner.
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Speaker 1: He hits the hole very hard, he breaks contact really well.
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Speaker 1: The guy averaged six yards to carry last year for
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Speaker 1: the Eagles. Now I get it, he didn't carry the
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Speaker 1: ball three hundred times, but it wasn't like he only
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Speaker 1: carried the ball ten times either. So it was pretty
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Speaker 1: pretty interesting what he was able to do last year.
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Speaker 1: And I know you and I at times last year
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Speaker 1: were saying, man, it's okay to give the ball to
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Speaker 1: Shipley one or four more times. Again, they were just
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Speaker 1: trying so hard to get the run game going, get
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Speaker 1: Barkley going, and it felt like they were stuck in
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Speaker 1: the mud. But then you know, they give the ball
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Speaker 1: to Bigsby once or twice at him, and he would
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Speaker 1: rip off a.
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Speaker 2: Pretty good incredible because he the Niners got him in
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Speaker 2: the playoff game. But other than that, he seemed to
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Speaker 2: note find some haul like the D gap like he
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Speaker 2: was like it was always going wide and making it
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Speaker 2: So why we bring this up a the future is
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Speaker 2: the way the clubs look at it. It was like,
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Speaker 2: what's our roster look over the next three years? And
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Speaker 2: now is was Barkley's drop off last season just because
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Speaker 2: the offensive line couldn't block anyone for the run. For
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Speaker 2: the most part, it was terrible. Path blocking was pretty good,
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Speaker 2: but run blocking was bad. Kwon was a step.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a fair question. I think it's fair
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Speaker 1: to wonder why Bigsby even though again it's far fewer carries,
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Speaker 1: but still fifty eight carries is not necessarily a small
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Speaker 1: sample size either. On fifty eight carries he averaged five
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Speaker 1: point nine yards per carry. Was that because defenses didn't
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Speaker 1: think he get the ball there? There's so many different
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Speaker 1: factors that into it, I do think, and I know
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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell talked about this and breakdowns. Barkley is a
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Speaker 1: really good running back as that extra gear and he's
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Speaker 1: big and he's strong, but when the hole isn't there,
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Speaker 1: initially he does do that side to side lateral movement
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Speaker 1: and then sometimes he's able to spin he'll do like
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Speaker 1: hitting the b on the controller in a video game
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Speaker 1: and sin or a hurdle and break through. But last
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Speaker 1: year that did it just didn't work. They didn't have
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Speaker 1: the same kind of block, They didn't have the same type
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Speaker 1: of openings where he could spin out of away from
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Speaker 1: one tackle and into a wide lane elsewhere they're just
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Speaker 1: worn enough. And as we brought up many times at him,
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Speaker 1: he led the NFL in yards before or getting hit
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Speaker 1: before contact. Right, he was constantly getting hit at or
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Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage, which was two years ago
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Speaker 1: different from two years ago.
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Speaker 2: Two years ago, was it was was it I don't
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Speaker 2: have in front? Was it three yards before contact? Something crazy?
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Speaker 1: More than that, it was something crazy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So and then also the second half thing where his
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Speaker 1: second half stats were like fourth in the NFL and
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Speaker 1: rush oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: He stat he basically had a great running back season
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Speaker 2: the seven half of games two years ago in twenty four. Huh.
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Speaker 2: But I just think we have to be honest. There's
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Speaker 2: a certain point when players don't look the same at
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Speaker 2: that position, and you never went to wait till it's
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Speaker 2: too late. And we should note because we're doing depth
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Speaker 2: charts here also, Uh, the only back that they really
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Speaker 2: added was Damian Pierce, who's career after a really good
9:10
Speaker 2: rookie season is no die nose dived. And Carson Steele
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Speaker 2: is also in the roster. They're gonna have a numbers
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Speaker 2: problem now. They they You should know, folks, that they
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Speaker 2: guaranteed a little bit of money with Pierce. They won't
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Speaker 2: keep them with the roster. They guaranteed, Uh, he's gonna
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Speaker 2: make one point three million. They guaranteed two one fifty thousand,
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Speaker 2: which is basically going to be a veteran practice squad.
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Speaker 2: Uh guarantee if they want to, if he if they
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Speaker 2: like him to go to the practice squad like him enough.
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Speaker 2: You also, it's a fifty thousand roster bonus if he's
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Speaker 2: on the game day roster. Right unless for him to
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Speaker 2: be on the roster of the season, he's gotta have an
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Speaker 2: unbelievable training camp and by well class you need injuries.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's stacked against them.
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Speaker 1: It's it's there's no reason, there's no need when when
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Speaker 1: they have eleven offensive linemen they want to keep, when
9:57
Speaker 1: they have all these tight ends that they min lead,
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Speaker 1: they may have to keep four quarterbacks as well. No,
10:02
Speaker 1: they will keep four quarterback and barring a trade of
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Speaker 1: Tanner McKee, they're gonna go into this season with four quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: You cannot keep four running backs, especially if that fourth
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Speaker 1: guy is your Worshod Penny slash aj Dillon collecting. You
10:16
Speaker 1: have to bring him up because it's ridiculous that twice
10:19
Speaker 1: in the last three years they've kept the guy in
10:21
Speaker 1: the roster to collect dust. So you can't do it
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Speaker 1: this year. They can't. There's no reason you got three
10:27
Speaker 1: pretty capable running backs. There's no reason to keep a
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Speaker 1: fourth just to say you have four.
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Speaker 2: I hear you the were shot Penny one. That was
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Speaker 2: one because I remember we were screaming in twenty three,
10:38
Speaker 2: why the hell won't they play them? We should know
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Speaker 2: better because he couldn't play anymore, you know. That's but
10:44
Speaker 2: that's my point that he was not thirty, but that
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Speaker 2: position man. So not that you can't address every issue
10:51
Speaker 2: in one offseason, we understand that. But it's something, folks,
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Speaker 2: that the Eagles have to look at after the season,
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Speaker 2: that running back position, whether it's bringing if Bigsby doesn't
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Speaker 2: find a starting job, if he does well this year
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Speaker 2: and he can't find a starting job. Don't bring it
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Speaker 2: back for two or three million for twenty twenty seven. Okay,
11:13
Speaker 2: because Barkley, Now you worry at twenty nine years old,
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Speaker 2: and I think he turns thirty? When does he turn thirty?
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Speaker 2: I believe in February? Is it? Yep, he turns. He
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Speaker 2: turns thirty? Wow in right around Super Bowl. So be careful.
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Speaker 1: I'm a little I guess I can, I'll I might
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Speaker 1: wind up eating my words on this. I'm a little
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Speaker 1: less concerned about sa Quon sort of losing everything the
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Speaker 1: way some running backs do because he's a pretty big,
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Speaker 1: strong and fit like Derreck Henry. Is a guy who's
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Speaker 1: he's not, you know, like he's Dereck Henry. He's huge,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna he's a good runner. He's thirty, right, He's
11:48
Speaker 1: got to be at least at thirty or approaching thirty.
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Speaker 1: And if he loses a step, it doesn't matter because
11:54
Speaker 1: he's just such a bulldozer.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna disagree with the Titans because I remember
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Speaker 2: talking to someone closest situation. They absolutely thought he lost
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Speaker 2: a step, but not three steps. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: he turns thirty two. Derrick Henry, Well, I think he's
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Speaker 2: been pretty good. Well they were, but he's also an anomaly.
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Speaker 2: You don't see guys correct. He's a very unique running style. Yeah,
12:16
Speaker 2: he has great straight, straight line speed. He just defied logic. Yeah,
12:20
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a Hall of Famer. He's a great player.
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Speaker 1: Would you would you call him maybe? I mean McCaffrey
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Speaker 1: is twenty nine. I think he'll be thirty pretty soon. Actually,
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Speaker 1: he's born in June twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: We were at the draft going.
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Speaker 1: He had a great year last year at twenty nine he.
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Speaker 2: Was and by the way, two years ago there were
12:37
Speaker 2: whispers is this guy done?
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Speaker 1: He turned injuries.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he turns thirty next month. Judith, he's born in
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Speaker 2: June and ninety six. So, but again that's there. There
12:50
Speaker 2: are not a lot of examples when guys hit thirty.
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Speaker 2: I know it's it's less about the age. It's more
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Speaker 2: about the wear and tear and injury history. M they
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Speaker 2: take a meeting in age. Whi's not always accurate, Yep,
13:04
Speaker 2: I know that I know the Vikings. I have to
13:07
Speaker 2: ask for Rex feeling this, but I remember hearing from
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Speaker 2: the grapevine that the Vikings did its study going back
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Speaker 2: to decades about when guys wear down. I think it
13:16
Speaker 2: was the Vikings, so I know there was one team
13:18
Speaker 2: that told me about this is when safety's regrets. This
13:22
Speaker 2: is when corners regress because you could, you have the data,
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Speaker 2: but I also have to know about injuries. So Taiquan, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we asked Greg this. I know our patron members asked
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Speaker 2: Greg this. They thought he wasn't quite as sharp, but
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Speaker 2: he didn't have a drop off at all. It wasn't like, oh, God,
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Speaker 2: on your point, I hear you on that. Yeah, but
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Speaker 2: I'm I worry about that. I worry about it when
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Speaker 2: guys it comes sometimes comes out of nowhere.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Plus, honestly, for a guy who has a
13:52
Speaker 1: long list of injuries with the Giants, he has been
13:55
Speaker 1: nothing but healthy, A little me thing here or there, right,
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Speaker 1: nothing but healthy with the Eagles for two straight years.
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Speaker 1: And you know you gotta cross your fingers as that continues,
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Speaker 1: especially after last year where he took so many more
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Speaker 1: hits so so much sooner than he did in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four. So that's why it's really imperative that the
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Speaker 1: Eagles are better upfront with their offensive line this year
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Speaker 1: for all of the running backs, but especially for saquon.
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Speaker 2: Yep, so it right now, the expectation is is that
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Speaker 2: Bigsby will be the two we'll see about third down?
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Speaker 2: Is it all Barkley? Is it mostly Barkley? Or is
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Speaker 2: it fifty fift the Shipley? On your question and your point, Shipley,
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Speaker 2: who this will be your three for him? He was
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Speaker 2: fourth round twenty four. Will they finally get a shot
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Speaker 2: to be a quasi third down back? Not the guy
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Speaker 2: on every third down? It's not gonna happen with what
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Speaker 2: they're paying Barkley. But can he have a chance to
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Speaker 2: do what we saw in training camp. He's got good hands,
14:56
Speaker 2: he's explosive. Lower body is not as big as you'd like.
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Speaker 2: He's not. It's strong, but he's got juice and he
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Speaker 2: can catch the ball. That's why they drafted him to
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Speaker 2: be to add something on third down. They haven't really
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Speaker 2: done it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know that? You know that this is
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Speaker 1: an amazing stat on Shipley. He had more yards on
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Speaker 1: one carry in the playoffs two years ago than he
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Speaker 1: did all of last year combined.
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Speaker 2: That's are you serious? That's insane.
15:21
Speaker 1: Do you remember he had that seventy seven yard run.
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Speaker 1: I think it was the same he had seventy seven
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Speaker 1: yards in the playoffs in twenty twenty four. I know
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Speaker 1: he had like a fiftyeth sorry he had a fifty
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Speaker 1: seven yard run, but he had seventy seven total yards
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Last year he had forty nine total
15:37
Speaker 1: rushing yards in the regular season on fourteen carries. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm disappointed by that. I I for the coaches and
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Speaker 1: for him. He's not really making more out of that
15:46
Speaker 1: those opportunities. And they only watched. By the way, he
15:49
Speaker 1: got it nine times. He only had nine catches, so
15:52
Speaker 1: twenty three touches all year long. Down the finishing.
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Speaker 2: Said it earlier, and I'll put a stamp on it,
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Speaker 2: is that they were so bad last year running the football.
16:02
Speaker 2: You couldn't try Shipley. That's bad coaching, like you got you.
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Speaker 2: This is my I've said this before, and you know
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Speaker 2: I've gone to the other side on this. But when
16:16
Speaker 2: before you were probably covering the team when they were
16:18
Speaker 2: so pass happy with it. B Wes came on the show,
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Speaker 2: but we talked about it. M hm. You knew when
16:23
Speaker 2: you were drafted by the Eagles, they're gonna throw the
16:25
Speaker 2: They're gonna throw the ball, and the backstern catch the football, right,
16:28
Speaker 2: so you kind of knew what to expect. Like I
16:31
Speaker 2: didn't understand it. I just didn't understand why why are
16:34
Speaker 2: you throwing the ball so much? Run the damn football, right?
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Speaker 2: I didn't understand if the more you throw it, the
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Speaker 2: better chance you have to win, particularly in the first
16:41
Speaker 2: it's really in the first half of games. The data
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Speaker 2: shows you that.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Oh there's been a little bit of a shift lately
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Speaker 2: not running the football, but but the data, the data
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Speaker 2: shows you if you throw it more than you run
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Speaker 2: it in the first half, you're probably gonna win. Yep.
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Speaker 2: But I'm thinking last year on the point they're behind,
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Speaker 2: they're not scoring, is what is Shipley do not to
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Speaker 2: get the football right?
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Speaker 1: I just.
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Speaker 2: Coaching was just not good last year. This is it
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Speaker 2: wasn't as bad as twenty three. I'm talking about the offense.
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Speaker 2: It was bad. Oc was fired and wasn't just he
17:13
Speaker 2: was fired. It was just it didn't It was it
17:16
Speaker 2: was an S show, you know, Yeah, we know what
17:18
Speaker 2: happened on defense was even bigger S show. It was bad.
17:22
Speaker 2: But I'm look, Sean mannion Ba's catching the ball in
17:26
Speaker 2: the West Coast offense. I know that they're not all
17:27
Speaker 2: the same, but they all meet in the middle, which
17:30
Speaker 2: shannahan a McVeagh offense. They catch the football U and
17:35
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, if we see it, we're calling it out.
17:37
Speaker 2: If they're catching, like we said in twenty three when
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Speaker 2: Swift was catching the football, are crazy in training camp
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Speaker 2: and they never throw it to him in the regular season.
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Speaker 2: If it's happening and not in the regular season. This year,
17:46
Speaker 2: we're calling everybody out because I'm come on.
17:48
Speaker 1: Man, this yes anyway, Hey, Philly fans. Game day is
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Speaker 1: True or false onended on this true or false. The
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Speaker 1: starting running back for the Eagles in twenty twenty seven
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Speaker 1: is on the roster right now.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it is Barkley. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I would lean that way.
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Speaker 2: Also, Look, if he has a bad year and they
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Speaker 2: want to keep him, they could always say to his agent, listen.
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Speaker 1: We can't go there.
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Speaker 2: You know, he got to take a pay cut, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we will call that the Josh sweat slash
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Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard route where you know.
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Speaker 2: They hey, you know what, I'm not sure they weren't
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Speaker 2: happy with it, and Sweaty had a good year, came back,
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Speaker 2: had a good year and had a huge year with
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Speaker 2: it with the with the Cardinals. For the life of me,
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Speaker 2: I don't know why Goddard didn't get more money from Eagles.
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Speaker 2: Seven million full of guaranteed now, I don't know who else.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the market was for him this
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Speaker 2: this time around, we.
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Speaker 1: Knew it was a better agree that the market was.
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Speaker 2: I know it's better last year because I know they were.
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Speaker 2: There were, as I understood then, three or four teams involved.
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Speaker 2: But he really wanted to be an Eagle. That's another
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Speaker 2: thing which we we have to give players credit for
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Speaker 2: is that whatever market it is, guys take in lesson
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Speaker 2: market because they want to stay. Yeah, you just hate
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Speaker 2: it because it doesn't make them look great. But it's
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Speaker 2: not their fault. It's the correct the player wants to stay.
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Speaker 2: The player wants to stay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, NFLPA doesn't like that much either, although for one
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Speaker 1: year veteran for one year deals, they don't really care
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Speaker 1: as much. But yeah, they don't really love it when
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Speaker 1: a guy takes a little bit undervalue.
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Speaker 2: That's true, but it's it's just to move this along
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Speaker 2: here and end it after the season. They got some
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Speaker 2: big decisions to make it.
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Speaker 1: Running back, for sure, sure, I like what they've got.
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Speaker 1: I think we both think that they're well, they've got
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Speaker 1: an elite when healthy back in Barkley. They've got a
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Speaker 1: really nice kind of battering ram short yardage if need
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Speaker 1: be guy, goal line guy. You want to take Barkley
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Speaker 1: out a little bit, you want to put Bigsby in there,
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Speaker 1: and you know, still get the hard yards. You got that.
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Speaker 1: And again theoretically, if you want the real quote change
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Speaker 1: up where you throw it to a guy or a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a juicier back, you have Shipley. They
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Speaker 1: just got to figure out a way to use these guys.
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Speaker 1: And I think that really starts with getting this offense
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Speaker 1: on track and ready to go from the get go.
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Speaker 1: I think some of what we're talking about also goes
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Speaker 1: back to a the offensive line not being healthy and
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Speaker 1: b the offense constantly last year, how many times did
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Speaker 1: we talk about behind the sticks? Second and long, third
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Speaker 1: and long? To be fair, there really wasn't a great
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Speaker 1: opportunity to get these guys more involved because they they
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Speaker 1: were constantly having to throw the ball because they were
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Speaker 1: behind the sticks.
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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what now, you brought that up
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Speaker 2: before we get out here, I do want to mention
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Speaker 2: like that's something we'll be looking for it and we'll
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Speaker 2: get Andrew on too. I know it's not always easy
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Speaker 2: to tell, but I want to see how the offensive
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Speaker 2: linemen are moving in training camp, I usually don't look
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Speaker 2: at that. In fact, I don't think I have in
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Speaker 2: a camp I go to. But I'm sure as hell
21:38
Speaker 2: looking at it. I mean, did we miss something last summer?
21:42
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't. I wasn't looking for it. But my god,
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Speaker 2: they were so bad run blocking. I've never seen anything
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Speaker 2: like it in this market my career. I'm a like you,
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Speaker 2: but I haven't seen it. This was so bad run blocking.
21:54
Speaker 2: Jurgens couldn't. Unfortunately, we understand. He was hurt. Diderson was hurt.
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Speaker 2: Lane hurt. You're playing backups. You get backup results in
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Speaker 2: certain ways. But that's something we're gonna have to look
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Speaker 2: at training camp because this can't go on again, right,
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Speaker 2: there's really not. It's unfair or Saquon. If the guys
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Speaker 2: can't if Saquon's healthy, well ask Greg when we do
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Speaker 2: the inside of the Tape show, Hey, hows Saquon running?
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Speaker 2: Is you gona where he's supposed to? The hole's not
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Speaker 2: opening up. We're mostly not opening up last year, right, Look,
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Speaker 2: good luck?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck being a first year coordinator. If you're
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Speaker 1: trying to call plays when you're in second and nine
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Speaker 1: and third and six.
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Speaker 2: All understand, But that's what it is what it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, know that about it, all right. So that was
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Speaker 1: a good comprehensive look at the depth chart for the
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Speaker 1: running backs, and we'll go with another offensive position in
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